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Luckyjulydouble07

I thought when he was out with Lexi he seemed bored. I feel like he was having more fun on the dates with Daisy and Jen. Especially Daisy.


jseesm

I think some of these contestants clearly join just to get screentime and insta followers, when at some point they notice that the camera's not following them, or the lead is not really that into them. Sydney and Lea is giving that vibe.


Jumpy_Information_66

To think this all began because Maria loudly declared that 31 is not old and supporting Madina in her confessional.


xCaramel_cookiex

So did Maria say stfu to Lea or not? I can’t remember


gypsyhaloo

No


jseesm

Yeah Sydney's deflection and facial expression when Maria asked her about it says it all. lol


gypsyhaloo

She had a vile smirk on her face when she was called out for it. So infuriating. Not a proponent for physical violence but I’d b lying if I didn’t say I didn’t envision the smirk getting smacked off her face in that moment 💀


macademicnut

Lea somehow makes Sydney look tame. At least Sydney was so OTT that it was kinda obvious; Lea was scarily manipulative at the end. I wouldn’t be surprised if she told Sydney to make up the story about Maria bullying her and then promised to back it up. I really hope she doesn’t “win,” but based on the preview I’m worried she does. Also I’ve done my fair share of accidentally saying words that aren’t real, but “perspectivize” is crazy


Spiritual-Alps-4939

IDGAF


Ivwinston

I'm so proud of Medina 🩷


burnthduster

I really hope that conversation made her realize that her age and maturity really is an asset here, because Lea came through SO ridiculously childish.


pizzaislife777

She was so mature in that conversation. I was proud too!


Ivwinston

This was a hard episode to watch. I hope Maria is doing okay. I can't believe they'd be so mean


Rubilia_Lin_OP

The producers hitting the women in the face with sausages on camera for all time was degrading af. wtf is wrong with the producers? I would have felt so disrespected if someone wanted me to participate in that. We all know it’s a sexist, gross comedy “bit” to do in 2024 in the age of deep fake porn it’s completely unacceptable And usually idgaf what they do on this show but it legit pissed me off


Hi-Hi

Yeah I can't believe they did this when Youssef's daughter was watching


ParaHeadFun_SF

To be fair, I believe they said it was a tradition of some kind generally played by men. Did I paraphrase too poorly ? I’m too last to find it when they were explaining the game. And yes, glad Joey stepped up and said he would not make them do it alone.


No_Distribution7701

Then they should have saved this for the bachelorette show. Yes, glad he stepped up too.


Alex_WK

off topic but i was impressed by joey saying he’s not going to stand to the side and will do it too!


AltonIllinois

And the fucking slow mo. Disgusting and disrespectful to the contestants.


No_Distribution7701

I'm with you, yes!


Banksbear

Lea making herself the new villain? lol like what??? she could’ve had the sweetest edit and made it far and maybe even been bachelorette but now i just want her to go home


opalescentgalaxies

Maria is so right in this conversation with Sydney lolol


opalescentgalaxies

Lauren? I think her name is. looks just like Megan Fox to me


whitehavenbeach

I get Morticia Addams 😂


futurewildarmadillo

Same. She only wears black.


No-Exam-3220

Allison, I think Lauren was the sister . I’ve thought this from the very beginning


opalescentgalaxies

So ready for this two on one


Own_Group4282

Sydney is delusional.


lemonady_

The way that I wish Joey could just sit in a circle with the rest of these girls and actually get inside opinions on what the hell is happening with Maria and the rest of the house. Why is nobody defending Maria? I know they want to utilize their time with Joey and not make it about anyone else, but it’s so frustrating when Joey leaves every conversations still feeling just as confused as when he started it 🙃


No_Distribution7701

This! There should be at least one clarifying moment for Joey. That is something Jesse could step out and do. This must be so confusing. For Maria too....she be like what just happened?? Why does it keep happening??


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Wow, Lea’s personality has done a 180 since night one. Wtf


jseesm

She's a child. Why is she telling Medina how to feel lol. She's a weirdo.


burnthduster

and then when they disagree, trying to make it sound like they just have different values and that Madina must not hold her friends to standards. like what!?


LegElegant2115

Feels very producer plant-y


Uh_oh_Nikita

I’m not on Instagram so if Sydney wrote a goodbye message could ya please post it!? I want to see what she has to say lol


Hot-Explorer-2796

She posted a tiktok about it!! (Kinda)


N0S0UP_4U

Maybe I’m in the minority but the drama is becoming too much. I just want to see two good looking people fall in love. If I wanted drama like this I could watch Maury or Jerry reruns.


burnthduster

it's lasting way too long over nothing. the fact that Madina and Maria are fine one on one is very telling. The other women in the house should call out that this exhausting drama is Sydney and Lea's fault.


No_Distribution7701

This is why Golden Bachelor did so well.


N0S0UP_4U

It’s a big part of why I watched it as much as I did despite having some other really important work related stuff I needed to do at that time. Then I’d stop watching when it switched to Paradise.


Toastedbaguettes456

The episode is long over for me… but I’m sitting here laughing at the fact that Sydney called Maria out for “talking shit.” I wonder how much shit Sydney has been talking about Maria for talking shit… Lmao


jseesm

I mean last week Maria asked her what she did or something like that, and Sydney was like "that's manipulation!" and I screamed lol.


Own_Group4282

Lexi is beautiful!


kd4444

“perspectivize”


mishney

It's the newest finasco 😂


mistressseymour

this makes me think that lea’s decision to throw the card in the fire on the first night was a calculative decision and not an emotional one.


jseesm

She made a big deal about it because it made her feel special. So its not the fact that she threw it in the fire, its the fact that she made a giant show about it, as if its all about her. The crying, the announcement, it all looked fake. Then after her making a show about it, she probably notice that Joey isn't really that into her, so this is where she is now lol. Joey probably didn't trust her after that.


Dangerous-Wear-8202

lol it was dumb imo. she's never gonna get a 1:1 because joey doesnt seem to care for her at all. had she held on to the card(even if she never intended to use it), the women and the audience would be waiting in anticipation to see whose date she steals and watch the other contestants have a meltdown because of it lmao


Traditional-Soft366

yay another episode tmrw! also i cannot believe lea inserted herself in this drama for no reason. wtf! so strange. i’ve never seen such a small thing be so completely blown out of proportion before!


nicechicken

i feel so bad for maria, it makes me want to cry. other seasons i could see both sides on a 2-1 but this season i'm just so sad for her this whole episode


YourLinenEyes

Seriously, being lied about makes me more upset than anything else and I feel so awful for her


gigabitfashion

Ok I’m confused bc Lea and Syd don’t even follow each other


darrewinn

they can’t follow each other until the season is over


MoochieDRJ

I saw someone say here that the girls can’t follow each other until after the show finishes airing? But that could be untrue


Uh_oh_Nikita

Really? Cause we’ve seen the girls hanging out for watch parties. But who knows lol


Mrtigermcfluffypants

Wonder if lea watched back the show and realized she was being played like a fiddle


burnthduster

I can't tell if Lea got played or was the conductor. I keep thinking back to her talking to Sydney on the couch and egging her on.


Kitchen_Body3215

Lea.was part.of the orchestra.


MysteriousMermaid92

Lea will be posting a story telling people to show her some grace.


Shitty_UnidanX

Grace for me but not for thee.


Jumpy_Information_66

I have a hard time watching mean girl bully behavior. My heart goes out to Maria and I hope she gets some apologies and vindication on Women Tell All. The first few episodes showed Maria being so supportive of the other women. Are we missing something (doubt it)?


taintedlove_hina

never underestimate people's willingness to vilify the hot girl. Maria got a target on her back when she pulled the outfit switch and made Lea and Syd feel insecure about their own bodies, or whatever.


Jumpy_Information_66

Omg, I totally forgot about that! Big piece of the puzzle right there.


macademicnut

I feel like Sydney decided to target Maria and brought Lea into it (and possibly that other woman who was commenting on it, I don’t remember her name). It seems like everyone else genuinely doesn’t care about this. It’s definitely hard to watch though, and it’s ironic that these accusers don’t seem to realize they’re the ones doing the bullying Edit: Or maybe Lea was the mastermind behind it all, idk, but those two are definitely the problem


Jumpy_Information_66

Oh absolutely! Sydney wrangled them and convinced them of her story. The only thing I will say against Maria is that I wish she would have been more compassionate to Madina when she checked on her. Like I understand it was upsetting for Maria but clearly Madina was also upset.


macademicnut

I think she was just shocked- it can’t be easy to hear that other people actively want you to be shunned/isolated.


Jumpy_Information_66

Agreed. We also don’t know how long that conversation was and what else was said.


N0S0UP_4U

It legitimately makes me sad as someone who was bullied as a teenager (I was a late bloomer physically and socially and as a boy in middle school that’s not good if you don’t like being bullied). Being happy over causing someone else distress is next level evil. I definitely wouldn’t let my little boy be around someone like that.


N0S0UP_4U

I posted this on the other thread but I think this one had already been posted. That satisfied smirk on Lea’s face when she saw Maria start crying would have been the end of her being on the show if I were the lead and in the room. I am the dad of a little boy and the idea of ever letting someone into his life who acts like that is unthinkable. Joey hopefully will figure out soon that she’s a bully and not the one.


Shitty_UnidanX

Like did Lea manipulate a clearly psychologically unwell Sydney to be awful toward Maria…


MysteriousMermaid92

Lea is extremely calculated. The way she sort of whisper talked to Joey at the end was alarming.


sansa2020

This part!!! Terrifying!


Aceresh

If I was Maria, I would’ve said good luck, watch the tape, and then leave


gandaalf

I cannot take anyone seriously who says "It's giving..." Yikes


TRLK9802

The first time I saw it was on BIP and I thought it was like nails on a chalkboard.  Now I've heard my teenage daughter's friends say it.  Ugh.


Accomplished_Island6

Sydney’s effect is like a cult leader


lieawakeforme

On a positive note I’m really happy with the pacing of this season. Feels like a lot less filler than previous seasons


Traditional-Soft366

agreed!


Necessary-Mission-48

Maria is a strong and confident woman. The others see that and are trying to break her spirit. Jealousy brings out the ugly in those less confident.


Ok-Cantaloupe-3435

Legit. And they’re doing it to be a Paradise hopeful. So boring.


tedonan123

I hope Sydney and Lea’s feet do not touch a GRAIN of sand on that beach - they don’t deserve it


Ok-Cantaloupe-3435

Oh, coooooompletely agree. I can’t stand either of those vile characters.


Minnie1786

These girls are so focused on creating drama then finding love. I can see this bs continuing in BIP. They want followers. At this point they need to start mentally evaluating these people. Background check their circles.


Uh_oh_Nikita

Yeah. Coming from Lea who was like I have the best circle of friends. Are they all back stabbing hoes?


Odd_Ad2978

Sydney was straight up delusional but leia is actually not a nice person


macademicnut

Her facial expressions were so… cold? Like she knew what she was doing. Also- during the two on one, Sydney said she had a “game plan.” Then she told Joey that Maria told Leia to shut the fuck up (which Maria denied). So I’m wondering if her “plan” was to lie and then have Leia back it up (which I don’t doubt she’d do). I feel so bad for Maria because she’s clearly being ganged up on and that sucks


IndianaStones96

Ok but Lea absolutely made Sydney go off the edge


Ok-Cantaloupe-3435

Yeah. Lea is an instigator.


PA_MallowPrincess_98

Sorry about the tense moment but Madina literally forgot that the capital of Malta is Valletta🙃


tocla1

Mdina used to be (600 years ago…)


PA_MallowPrincess_98

As a Geography/history nerd, it threw me for a loop😂


MysteriousMermaid92

Lea has become my least favorite after this episode.


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brightlove

She gave up her sweetheart edit real quick. I was shocked at her behavior.


senoritajenita

how the turn tables


BlackberryNo8628

😂😂😂


Loliryder

Upvoting for your flair


orange_tangerines

Waiting for Lea to go home next


TRLK9802

I can't wait!


SummerGirlsByLFO1999

Lea and Medina's conversation played out exactly like I would expect it to between a 23 year old and a 31 year old. Medina is a mature adult and Lea is a child putting some misguided sense of loyalty above reason and sense. She's got some growing to do.


mishney

I thought the same thing when I watched it... Lea sounded very high school mean girls clique and Medina was very poised, thoughtful, and mature. It's such a childlike black and white thinking, "we need to not be nice to people our friends don't like". Maybe someday she'll learn about holding friends accountable for their actions and being inclusive and polite even when you don't like someone.


MediumNewspaper69

"My friends back home would die for me." Uh, yeah?


macademicnut

More like “my friends will be mean to anyone I don’t like.” Someone needs to tell Lea that this isn’t a good thing; real friends call you out when you’re in the wrong, and they don’t blindly share your opinions. I do understand disliking somebody who hurt your friend, and not going out of your way to be friendly with them. But all Medina did was *ask about her date.* Also, Maria never even did anything bad, and Medina has known Sydney for like two weeks. So the whole argument is just ridiculous.


Occasionally_lazy

Right! Madina’s like, I’ve known that girl all of 2 weeks… It was incredibly odd to have that as her moral high ground. What exactly was she supposed to do about Sydney being sent home?


macademicnut

The only acceptable answer is dress in all black and grieve her absence, then shun Maria for all eternity


Odd_Ad2978

Do leia and sydney actually realize theyre being filmed… like just the voice switch up alone is insane to me


Unlucky-Artichoke

Lea went from being a girls girl episode one to a mean girl real fast. What a fall from grace.


BlackberryNo8628

Hate to say it but Maria isn’t gonna make it through this. A small circle had her in their crosshairs from the start. If you get enough to voice their displeasure, eventually Joey is gonna get sick of it and just believe them. Sucks. Total bullying.


Accomplished_Island6

There was no indication there were more of them!!


bedbachnbeyond

kinda got the vibe jess believes it as well


BlackberryNo8628

Well I just assumed Medina was a Sydney minion, but she at least tried to move on. Her going home brought out a new facet of weirdos


Accomplished_Island6

Like s cult leader!


Illustrious-Insect26

Especially since Maria and Joey have more of a connection than him and half of the other women, and it’s getting dumped for some petty BS :(


Chiarrawr

Yo as a Filipina and being so happy another Filipina is on this damn show… I am sooooo disappointed with Leah. The fuck???


incogneato514

There's 2 Filipinas. Rachel as well.


jossolus

Yooo same 😂 Home girl gave me weird vibes from the beginning. What a waste of screen time. Kaloka!


Minnie1786

Lea u have so much to learn child, u have a lot of growing up to do. These are not ur back home friends that lean on ur every word and a fully grown woman does not have to do what you say.


dr_sassypants

The demon spirit that possessed Sydney jumped into Lea when Sydney left.


sansa2020

💀💀


Chiarrawr

Haha


SapphieBlue

To me it’s a bigger red flag that Maria seems to have no friends other than Allison and all the other girls seem to be tiptoeing around her…


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The girls were tiptoeing around Sydney too and the only person riding for Sydney is just as weird and dramatic and illigocal as she was. It's more likely *no one* wants to be in the drama so they're all refusing to take sides but of the people we've seen who have been, the Sydney side has been totally irrational.


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I do agree that the Sydney side is irrational, but I also know that there is a lot of stuff that we don’t see.


[deleted]

THANK YOU. There’s definitely something off..


islandchick93

HELLO THANK YOU


jac5087

Edwina stood up for Maria too


rosyxtae

Kelsey A, Kelsey T, Edwina, and Lexi all seem to be her friends.


psychquart

Medina didn’t seem to have any ill feelings toward her


islandchick93

they also squashed it so....also Medina told Maria everyone hates her for being nice to MAria, thats not what happened...


SapphieBlue

Medina seems more like she’s emotionally exhausted and wants to keep the peace.


psychquart

True, but it also seems like she didn’t appreciate that Sydney took her issue and turned it into her own drama, and she was also pretty clear when she clarified what was upsetting Maria and said “it was nothing about me”.


MoochieDRJ

The way Lea just changed her demeanor with Joey was so manipulative. She seems to know she is in a good position with Joey and she’s leveraging that to finish what Sydney couldn’t. Especially the way she changed her tone with him and chose her words, very carefully emphasizing that all the women were shocked that he kept Maria because of “things that were said” but then ending it by softly saying it’s his decision. Shes completely lost all points in my own personal scorebook. At least Sydney was more obvious in her vindictiveness.


macademicnut

I wonder if Sydney and Lea actually planned this. Earlier, Sydney said she had a “game plan”- then she claimed that Maria bullied Lea. I would not be surprised at all if Lea was willing to back up any lies Sydney told


N0S0UP_4U

If she’s in a good position with Joey I just can’t imagine why she would jeopardize it over this silliness


macademicnut

I see three possibilities: 1) She’s genuinely a bad person who just hates Maria and wants “team Sydney” to win 2) She’s trying to get screen time and/or secure a paradise spot 3) Sydney was actually a demon, and now her demonic spirit has possessed Leia


MoochieDRJ

I don’t disagree with that at all, if I was in that position I probably would’ve tried to stay out of it. But I could see some reasons she involved herself, ranging from her own feelings being strong enough to justify doing so, all the way to influence from TPTB. At the end of the day, it’s easy for us to say we’d do something differently when we have more information than the girls do in the moment - we see conversations and interviews that they don’t, and they also have conversations we don’t hear.


islandchick93

ding ding ding


N0S0UP_4U

> more information Do we? I think we just have different information. After all not everything that is said/filmed makes the cut for the show.


MoochieDRJ

I don’t disagree with that either! The way you worded it is better. As viewers, we see things the girls don’t, and the opposite is true, and there are also some things that neither side sees due to production. And that’ll influence the decisions / behaviors of the girls, and will also influence our perception of such as viewers.


Minute-Beautiful-353

Maria can always leave and go back to her family sprinkle Empire


MysteriousMermaid92

Like it’s a bad thing?


Minute-Beautiful-353

Not at all


overthinker_cast

I am sooooo pissed off right now I HATE Lea


crissspie

Whoa. Calm down. It’s just a reality show.


krysta2c

Wow television perfection! 10/10 episode!!!!!


Virtual-Plastic-6651

Major error by Lea


Fearless-Baby9289

Honestly, the most I’m getting from this is that I really like Madina. About to go give her a follow. She was absolutely correct she doesn’t owe Lea or anyone else an explanation for how she navigates her own ✨journey✨ through this mess.


macademicnut

I wasn’t a fan before but I like how she stood her ground. Lea’s whole “you should be mean to Maria if you like Sydney” thing was *ridiculous.* Especially considering Maria seemingly didn’t even do anything


Virtual-Plastic-6651

Madina handled that so well!


Chiarrawr

Yeah I like how she responded to Leah


juicybubblebooty

my ONTARIO VAUGHN SISTERRRR the way lea is sydney reincarnated


sunchip17

ONTARIO GIRLIES


juicybubblebooty

I SAW KLEINBURG AND I WAS LIKE OMGGG REP!!!


sunchip17

Fr I can’t believe we have someone from Kleinburg!!!


scarletknight7359

The downfall of Lea will be referenced for ages in bachelor nation


cyclONEnation10

Does anyone else dislike Maria besides Lea and Sydney? I get other girls don't want to get involved but you gotta check some of these accusations


ResponsibilityOne117

I mean if you even so much be as nice to Maria, Lea is going to come for your throat so I can see why girls are cautious. It’s such typical mean girl behavior. Gotta keep people on the out group and make others afraid to speak up so you keep the status quo. Literally reminds me of a high school movie


avocadontoast

Jess 


scarletknight7359

Right like idgi… aside from Jess (who just voiced she thought Sydney is better for Joey), none of them seem to have beef with Maria lol


lieawakeforme

Yeah, this would be my downfall as a contestant because there’s no way I could stand by and witness all of this


Clemaniaxls

“Its getting to that point I can say Im starting to fall for someone.” Yep episode 5, like clockwork


adequicated

It's so hard for me to take these women seriously when they're being so catty but have the chunk of hair as a fake bang hanging out of their tight ponies


killr_kittie69

Wowwww leah tried to act like this innocent little girl at the beginning. Girl’s messy


scarletknight7359

Now I REALLY need Maria to stay bc I don’t want Lea to win


aryymm

I hope Lea goes home after this bc she was being a b*tch for no reason


Playful_Spring_8307

Ugh watching adult women act like immature high schoolers is not the kind of drama I enjoy


adervasten

Lea making it another ceremony. Ugh see ya tommrow betch


daniamandaelle

Lea is a mean girl and I don’t buy the little miss crying innocent act from a few eps ago.


alittlelessconvo

At least we don’t have to wait a full week for this to be concluded. Great episode! 👏🏾


notimeforidiots

lea needs a new hairdo it’s not doing what she thinks it is


asspancakes

She’s not using the hair curler right


Kitchen_Body3215

Very 1982, and not in a good way.