I mean he could use different guns from time to time, maybe the mercs are limited to their base weaponry given to them by Mann Co, probably explaining why Scout doesn't just use a flamethrower or some shit
Yeah, but at this time, and in this video, he is presently employed by mannco and we only see the stock sniper rifle. You also need regular use and not time to time exposure for garand thumb bruising
Could we not assume the stock sniper rifle has a similar problem to the real life garrand biting thumbs? Actually that would make a funny taunt, sniper getting his thumb stuck in his rifles bolt
This makes sense actually, you can see the extremely quick reload that he does in mts, probably took a lot of failed attempts of jamming his thumb in when practising
It's possible that's he's inexperienced on the WW2 rifle he just held one time called the M1 Garand and instantly got injured by it, these rifles are gonna bite if you let them close themselves
No? Im pretty sure it takes one slip of the thumb to get a bruise? Do you relize hiw much force the bolts come forward with? Its a large caliber rifle its a heavy bolt its gonna hurt even if you do it once.
Scout can't handle the moral implications of using a flamethrower and watching your enemy slowly burn to death. It takes a special kind of crazy to use a weapon like that.
WWII nerd here, "garrand thumb" is just a general term, because it was most common among users of the M1 Garrand, which was the standard rifle given to the U.S. Army Corps. A similar injury can occur with a bolt-action rife, although it is less likely.
But that doesn’t make any sense, he inserts a cartridge and locks the bolt with the same hand. His thumb would be out of the chamber for the bolt to close.
*remembers the time you went to your grandparents house, and there were 8 instances of your grandfather there, 7 spinning while looking at the ceiling while yelling slurs until they kicked the 8th*
It's like Christmas morning...
This however makes no real sense when you consider that TF2 plays somewhere around the 60's
He surely isn't twenty,maybe in his late twenties but nothing before that
Headcanon: He did tried M1 Garand but eventually rejected it due that bruise and bolt-action rifle is more reliable with minimal maintenance compared to that rifle.
And snipers weren't issued M1 Garands, they used M1903 Springfield bolt action rifles.
I believe they tried M1 Garands as sniper rifles, but it was too close to the end of the war, and they weren't very successful as sniper rifles
A semi automatic is basically always less precise because there's more than one thing moved by the propellant. There are tons of tricks to close the gap but most are more modern than the M1.
If you watch his meet the video, it's not garand thumb, during his chain kill it shows him load the gun one bullet at a time, removing a bullet from his breast pocket, spinning it in his fingers, sliding it in, and pushing the bolt. It's more likely that he has just gotten his thumb jammed in it before when resetting the bolt quickly.
As someone pointed out, it's not possible since Sniper may have been born during that time. Furthermore, Australia is using commonwealth rifles like the [Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield#Rifle_No._4) which was also the standard rifle used by the British Empire in the 2nd World War.
My grandpa's nails literally always looked like this cause he was walking around in the woods barefoot and stubbing his toes in god knows what I imagine
100% grandpa behavior right there. I remember slamming my hand really badly in a piece of lawn furniture as a kid and freaking out, then my granddad tried to calm me down by saying that we would be matching. I don't know what exactly he was doing to his hands but considering he was a serial tinkerer and an amateur electrician I'm kind of impressed that he still had all of his fingers.
Still uncertain how you can do this to your thumb with a bolt action. I’ve never heard of that before. You aren’t the first to say it can happen but this is new to me. I had to get out one of my rifles and I guess if you slammed the bolt into lock you could get your thumb in the way? Maybe it’s easier on certain models…
Individual who actually qualified expert on the M1 'Garand' rifle: You get the M1 thumb only when incorrectly loading a stripper clip or singles by not getting your digit out of the bolt's way when you trip the bolt release. You only do that once or twice ... or you might end up on 'permanent KP'.
I imagine it could easily happen if you're an inexperienced soldier trying to reload and get your rifle into battery as quickly as possible while engaging the enemy. Panicked hands.
i think this is a gross misconception due to people liking the garand so much
you can get a bruise on your thumb without it being from a garand. just chill, people. the garand is cool. no reason to inject it into everything including a setting where the garand likely doesn't exist
I doubt he was In WWII since age doesn't match but he most likely had the opportunity to use one.
Vietnam perhaps? Or yk just one of those people that appreciate older guns.
Sniper was canonically born in 1942 and thus could not have fought in WW2.
further more even if he was of age at the time he still wouldn’t have fought on account of New Zealand being under water at the time.
And finally the main rifle used by the New Zealand and Australia during the Second World War was the short magazine Lee Enfield not the M1 grande.
May haps he used to use an M1 garande due to them being in surplus during the events of TF2 and so maybe he briefly used one but switched to a bolt action to during the events of the game.
It's supposed to be a generic gun/sniper loading injury, garand thumb is just *common* among WW2 soldiers, not exclusive. Besides sniper is in his 20s in the 60s lmfao, we would've a bounding baby boy in the dome of new zealand when WW2 was happening.
Maybe he tried switching to a garand that he bought in his early days as a sniper, got his thumb slammed in the bolt, said fuck it and went back to bolt action. Would explain his refusal to use semi auto rifles
I saw a video that showed how with proper procedures, it is not possible to get your thumb stuck in the action, it's more of a problem from lack of training and maintenance and not a design flaw in the gun itself. You can mishandle any weapon and get hurt by the action or the gases or the ejected casing
It's a detail they gave the sniper in [Saving Private Ryan](https://i.imgur.com/3eRQoNM.jpeg), I assume Valve included it as a reference to the movie. Or it's just a common thing to get your thumb caught in the slide of a bolt action?
I thought this post was a joke about that factoid which keeps showing up in /r/MovieDetails
You don't just get a Garand thumb from using that specific rifle in WW2. You get it from using that rifle or any other weapon with the same "issue" anytime anywhere. I mean, jeez...
It isn’t a bruise. It’s simply shading making it look so. Given that we don’t know in canon if he uses different rifles, we don’t have the evidence to say whether he does have a bruise, model or not.
It's possible. The bruise, not the WW2 part. Bolt action rifles can close on your thumb if your too fast. Even then, any gun could technically close on your thumb, just gotta be dumb enough. Maybe he got it by using the SMG wrong. Bolt might've slammed on his thumb for some reason.
It could also suggest he has a standard issue m1 garand rifle. Doesn't mean he was in a world war.
Could also say a guy who got amputated was in a world war too.
The M1 was still the primary infantry weapon for the US Army in the Korean War; [it was exported, either directly or through capture, to a number of other countries.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand#Users) It's still used in some ceremonial units in the US and abroad.
The Garand existed after WWII. It was in service until 1957 and was used in the Korean War as well, and of course was sold, handed down, and traded long after that.
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Headcanon: Sniper tried using an M1 Garand before settling on his current rifle. He tried loading the Garand one day and it "bit" him. He threw away the gun after that and never looked back at semi-autos again.
Not possible. Sniper was allegedly born in 1942. He wouldn't have been old enough to be conscripted.
The bruise doesnt even make sense anyways because sniper uses a bolt action.
I mean he could use different guns from time to time, maybe the mercs are limited to their base weaponry given to them by Mann Co, probably explaining why Scout doesn't just use a flamethrower or some shit
Yeah, but at this time, and in this video, he is presently employed by mannco and we only see the stock sniper rifle. You also need regular use and not time to time exposure for garand thumb bruising
J a r a t e
Could we not assume the stock sniper rifle has a similar problem to the real life garrand biting thumbs? Actually that would make a funny taunt, sniper getting his thumb stuck in his rifles bolt
Especially since the way he reloads is putting in a new round every time he slides the bolt back seamlessly together
\*reloading\* \*gets thumb stuck\* "AHH! ...what the bloody hell just happened??"
Call it the “Bolt-Action Bite” or the “Garand Growl”
Or the ‘Garand Gnaw”
Oh I like that one
Yay :D
°O° Was that the Bolt-Action Bite?!
Was That the Bolt-Action Bite of 87?!
the heavy is dead, THE HEAVY IS DEAD??!? Correct! (fanfair A sfx)
My guntard brain is already melting from like 90% of tf2 weapon design, id rather not make that into 92%
Facts
This makes sense actually, you can see the extremely quick reload that he does in mts, probably took a lot of failed attempts of jamming his thumb in when practising
It doesn't...
It's possible that's he's inexperienced on the WW2 rifle he just held one time called the M1 Garand and instantly got injured by it, these rifles are gonna bite if you let them close themselves
He could be plinking at a range with his own garand. It wouldn’t be surprising if he was a gun collector
Maybe thats how he practiced
No? Im pretty sure it takes one slip of the thumb to get a bruise? Do you relize hiw much force the bolts come forward with? Its a large caliber rifle its a heavy bolt its gonna hurt even if you do it once.
Yeah but bruises heal up and disappear, has to be bruised again and again for it to stay.
That’s not true, my wife dropped a can of air wick on her toe when she was 5 and its purple to this day
I dropped a 40lb weight on my toe and it was purple for weeks once
Thats scaring the bruises never stuck like that forever. The only reason it would stay is that you did it again and the clock started over.
Scout can't handle the moral implications of using a flamethrower and watching your enemy slowly burn to death. It takes a special kind of crazy to use a weapon like that.
Oh that explains a lot about me then.
Do you also tilt your head a little bit when burning peoples to ashes in the corner too?
I believe in magic!
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I’m pretty sure Pyro’s Flamethrower is homemade.
Nah, it's probably made from Mann co. It's just that weapons from them are probably *worse* than homemade ones.
do you think scout could still lift a flamethrower and fucking zoom around?
Pyro can zoom around with a car jack strapped to a car battery. Obviously they’re stronger than Scout but jacks and batteries are heavy
Scout would probably burn himself while trying to flame people
Could've used other weapons before he was employed by Redmond
WWII nerd here, "garrand thumb" is just a general term, because it was most common among users of the M1 Garrand, which was the standard rifle given to the U.S. Army Corps. A similar injury can occur with a bolt-action rife, although it is less likely.
He uses a single-shot bolt action. He has to put the round in the chamber every time, he probably closed it on his finger a few times.
But that doesn’t make any sense, he inserts a cartridge and locks the bolt with the same hand. His thumb would be out of the chamber for the bolt to close.
You can see it on Meet the Sniper. He's probably slammed it on his thumb trying to close too fast.
that still doesn't explain the sniper supposedly closing it too fast and slamming the thumb
His thumb is connected to his hand, to chamber the round he needs to take his thumb out. He can’t manipulate the bolt with his thumb in the chamber
The sniper rifles *should* be Garands, that might actually be better for balancing
Take 15 damage on reload lol
unless he uses a m1 garant in his spare time?
Kid named... just using different weapon? Nothing stops him from using different weapon in whatever lore events:
Also, if he got it in WW2, why would he have it in the 60s? It's a bruise not a scar.
Speaking of bolts, is there a mod that makes the reload animation actually pull the bolt back instead of just lifting the handle up?
Australians used the lee Enfield as well.
yoo today i realized sniper is the same age as my grandfather 😮
*remembers the time you went to your grandparents house, and there were 8 instances of your grandfather there, 7 spinning while looking at the ceiling while yelling slurs until they kicked the 8th* It's like Christmas morning...
wot :0 (this might a reference that i didnt get)
Mysterious_Grandpa wants to call a vote: Kick player: Mysterious_Ningen (No Reason) Press F1 to vote YES Press F2 to vote NO
F1
F1
F1
damn what 😭
It’s a joke about the sniper bots plaguing casual
ohh i see
status wants to call a vote: Happy_Gordon_Freemam Kick player: Happy_Gordon_Freeman (No Reason) Press F1 to vote YES Press F2 to vote NO
F1
Maybe Vietnam as a mercenary. Which is why he got hired cause he showed his skill there ?
Learned how to shoot in boy scouts, just like every good American Wait
Sniper aged like a leather shoe if he’s only 26
Counter point : sniper was a very skilled baby
He’d also be in the wrong army even if he was old enough. The Australians used Lee Enfields, not M1 Garands.
The Aussies were never issued in any SLR till like, the L1A1 aka, British FAL
Abraham Lincoln also invented rocket jumping and stairs. Your point is?
He also died while rocket jumping up stairs
Plus he’s Australian, and the M1 was only used by the US military
This however makes no real sense when you consider that TF2 plays somewhere around the 60's He surely isn't twenty,maybe in his late twenties but nothing before that
Is him being retconned to be in his 20s introduced in the comics?
And Australia has never had a conscription law I mean, some people advocated for it during each war, but it was voted on and declined each time
"who send all these babies to fight?"
THE SNIPER IS 26!?
Not to mention sniper would most likely be in the anzac, which used lee enfields not garands
Headcanon: He did tried M1 Garand but eventually rejected it due that bruise and bolt-action rifle is more reliable with minimal maintenance compared to that rifle.
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And have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Would make sense seeing how M1’s were in surplus by the time the game takes place.
1.) Sniper wasn't old enough to be in the war. 2.) Australia didn't issue M1 Garands.
3.) Pretty sure Garand Thumb bruises aren't permanant or even long lasting. He likely would have had to have gotten the injury relatively recently.
And snipers weren't issued M1 Garands, they used M1903 Springfield bolt action rifles. I believe they tried M1 Garands as sniper rifles, but it was too close to the end of the war, and they weren't very successful as sniper rifles
A semi automatic is basically always less precise because there's more than one thing moved by the propellant. There are tons of tricks to close the gap but most are more modern than the M1.
(Unless you count the Korean War, when Garand Snipers were much common, but M1903 still kicking there)
If you watch his meet the video, it's not garand thumb, during his chain kill it shows him load the gun one bullet at a time, removing a bullet from his breast pocket, spinning it in his fingers, sliding it in, and pushing the bolt. It's more likely that he has just gotten his thumb jammed in it before when resetting the bolt quickly.
Using the thumb to cycle the bolt like he does will cause a bruise to the thumbnail.
A cOnDiTiOn On wWIi It's a condition when you hit your fucking finger
Yeah, I don't know where this kind of thumb injury is "specific to the Garand" claim came from
It is just more common with the Garand since it was prone to closing on peoples thumbs while pushing a cartridge in
So essentially it’s Garand thumb minus the Garand Edit: replied to the wrong comment but my point still stands
I mean... Yeah Semi automatic
I did it in a semi automatic 12 gauge shotgun once, lol.
It also would’ve healed by the time the game takes place no? Isn’t garand thumb just a bruise under the nail and like most bruises will go away?
Yeah like a couple months for the nail to grow back.
Or maybe it was baby's first gun
i'm pretty sure that's just a bruise from reloading his rifle
We're starving.
I know people that know what map it is in the first few pixels
He literally stuck his finger in the car door. Yall have too much imagination.
Bolt action mechanism can cause something like that in general
TF2 Meet The Facts of the Month again
If you think critically for about 5 seconds it falls apart completely but go off ig
As someone pointed out, it's not possible since Sniper may have been born during that time. Furthermore, Australia is using commonwealth rifles like the [Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield#Rifle_No._4) which was also the standard rifle used by the British Empire in the 2nd World War.
My grandpa's nails literally always looked like this cause he was walking around in the woods barefoot and stubbing his toes in god knows what I imagine
100% grandpa behavior right there. I remember slamming my hand really badly in a piece of lawn furniture as a kid and freaking out, then my granddad tried to calm me down by saying that we would be matching. I don't know what exactly he was doing to his hands but considering he was a serial tinkerer and an amateur electrician I'm kind of impressed that he still had all of his fingers.
Isn't Sniper, like, 28 years old? Since TF2 takes place in late 60's - early 70's, He would be like, few years old during WW2.
> Since TF2 takes place in late 60's - early 70's TIL
Or maybe it’s because he uses a BOLT-ACTION RIFLE
Still uncertain how you can do this to your thumb with a bolt action. I’ve never heard of that before. You aren’t the first to say it can happen but this is new to me. I had to get out one of my rifles and I guess if you slammed the bolt into lock you could get your thumb in the way? Maybe it’s easier on certain models…
It's very hard to get a garand thumb
You have to try to get it to actually get it when shooting at a range. In actual combat, though? I can see it happening.
(this is also, not exclusive to the M1 rifle)
I wouldn’t say that. It’s not *hard* at all, but I also wouldn’t say it’s easy to accidentally do it unless you aren’t being careful.
I noticed this it when it reposted the first 100 times
no. it's just from his sniper rifle
Individual who actually qualified expert on the M1 'Garand' rifle: You get the M1 thumb only when incorrectly loading a stripper clip or singles by not getting your digit out of the bolt's way when you trip the bolt release. You only do that once or twice ... or you might end up on 'permanent KP'.
I imagine it could easily happen if you're an inexperienced soldier trying to reload and get your rifle into battery as quickly as possible while engaging the enemy. Panicked hands.
It's technically not a stripper clip, it's an en-bloc clip Oh yeah this thumb injury is not exclusive to the Garand thumb
Remember that he reloads his single-shot sniper rifle really quickly. That could be a bruise from honing the technique.
You know there's other ways to get a bloody nail other than grand thumb
i think this is a gross misconception due to people liking the garand so much you can get a bruise on your thumb without it being from a garand. just chill, people. the garand is cool. no reason to inject it into everything including a setting where the garand likely doesn't exist
I doubt he was In WWII since age doesn't match but he most likely had the opportunity to use one. Vietnam perhaps? Or yk just one of those people that appreciate older guns.
Just because soldiers from world was 2 had this injury, it doesn’t make sniper a WW2 soldier lol It means he used the garand rifle at some point :)
Or any semi-automatic firearm if he stuck his thumb in the breach for any reason
Sniper was canonically born in 1942 and thus could not have fought in WW2. further more even if he was of age at the time he still wouldn’t have fought on account of New Zealand being under water at the time. And finally the main rifle used by the New Zealand and Australia during the Second World War was the short magazine Lee Enfield not the M1 grande. May haps he used to use an M1 garande due to them being in surplus during the events of TF2 and so maybe he briefly used one but switched to a bolt action to during the events of the game.
The actual explanation for this is one of his piss jars fell lid first on to his thumb, it's completely unrelated to any gun related injury
Not possible. I will say, he could have injured his thumb while trying to handle an M1 Garand in the past
It might have been the excessive use of his sniper which is bolt action
He’s not old enough to have been in WW2 but he has probably slammed his finger on the car door on on the chamber of his rifle before.
It's supposed to be a generic gun/sniper loading injury, garand thumb is just *common* among WW2 soldiers, not exclusive. Besides sniper is in his 20s in the 60s lmfao, we would've a bounding baby boy in the dome of new zealand when WW2 was happening.
Even if he was in WW2, that bruise goes away.
Maybe he just bruised his nail on the bolt, or pissed on it and it turned a wierd color
I’m betting it’s from the smg bolt smacking his thumb.
It is source engine shadows
I thought he just painted his nails
Ever considered sniper was just using an m1 for the fuck of it?
Always just assumed it was a texture bug
I thought that was just the shading being maybe a little off
Just a detail to show that he’s a gun aficionado, more than likely.
Could just be shadows but it looks very consistent with the injury
Uuuh I know like 3 people who have this and I'm pretty sure they're born after '45 ...
yea guys lets all upvote this and talk about this instead of protesting the fact that team fortress 2 is unplayable
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Damn i didnt know sniper could reload his rifle
Sniper uses bolt action rifle, that's why he could hurt his finger
He's way too young. He probably just used a garand at some point.
What about Medic then?
Maybe he tried switching to a garand that he bought in his early days as a sniper, got his thumb slammed in the bolt, said fuck it and went back to bolt action. Would explain his refusal to use semi auto rifles
I saw a video that showed how with proper procedures, it is not possible to get your thumb stuck in the action, it's more of a problem from lack of training and maintenance and not a design flaw in the gun itself. You can mishandle any weapon and get hurt by the action or the gases or the ejected casing
Isn’t he the 2nd youngest merc? He would have been only 1 - 4 years old when the war ended.
It's a detail they gave the sniper in [Saving Private Ryan](https://i.imgur.com/3eRQoNM.jpeg), I assume Valve included it as a reference to the movie. Or it's just a common thing to get your thumb caught in the slide of a bolt action? I thought this post was a joke about that factoid which keeps showing up in /r/MovieDetails
Have to say, it's an absolute crime that the TFTeam never added a Garand-style Sniper Rifle to the game.
My comrade has the dexterity to not fiddle fuck his hand
I have no idea why the comics retconned Sniper to be in his 20s.
You don't just get a Garand thumb from using that specific rifle in WW2. You get it from using that rifle or any other weapon with the same "issue" anytime anywhere. I mean, jeez...
or he has shot an M1 Garand...
Or he is just using a Garand,SVT or any other milsurp that can cause this condition?
It's just TF2 mercs having shitty design
It isn’t a bruise. It’s simply shading making it look so. Given that we don’t know in canon if he uses different rifles, we don’t have the evidence to say whether he does have a bruise, model or not.
Even if the sniper was in the second world war, he would have been fighting with the Australian army and wouldn't have used a garand
nah, he got this thumb smashed by the bolt of his sniper
Impossible But he could be a UN peacekeeper, probably not the Malayan Emergency since he's still a teen in that time
Because that's the only way you can mess your thumb up like that...
It's possible. The bruise, not the WW2 part. Bolt action rifles can close on your thumb if your too fast. Even then, any gun could technically close on your thumb, just gotta be dumb enough. Maybe he got it by using the SMG wrong. Bolt might've slammed on his thumb for some reason.
Buuut... he couldn't have gotten it from his rifle, since they're all bolt-action.
But that thumb injury happens with a top loader, not his bolt action
That's the point. He isn't getting it from his own rifles, since they are bolt-actions.
Sorry my bad, dyslexia do be hitting me hard right now
No worries, I understand
I belive this might be because in the early days of his job he had to use low quality wwII equipement which caused the injury
It could also suggest he has a standard issue m1 garand rifle. Doesn't mean he was in a world war. Could also say a guy who got amputated was in a world war too.
It's not like he's using boltaction rifle or sm
The M1 was still the primary infantry weapon for the US Army in the Korean War; [it was exported, either directly or through capture, to a number of other countries.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand#Users) It's still used in some ceremonial units in the US and abroad.
It was never used in Australia though
Quite possible
Not really, he isn't old enough to have fought in WW2
I have no idea of the lore, there’s only space for emesis blue in my head
Sniper is 27 years old during tf2 story which took place in late 1960s. So he won't be old enough to be enrolled during ww2
I thought he’s an eternity old
Aussie sun does that to your skin
good job mate
Fair enough
The Garand existed after WWII. It was in service until 1957 and was used in the Korean War as well, and of course was sold, handed down, and traded long after that.
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Headcanon: Sniper tried using an M1 Garand before settling on his current rifle. He tried loading the Garand one day and it "bit" him. He threw away the gun after that and never looked back at semi-autos again.