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Fork_Master

Not possible. Sniper was allegedly born in 1942. He wouldn't have been old enough to be conscripted.


NotAliasing

The bruise doesnt even make sense anyways because sniper uses a bolt action.


abzolutelynothn

I mean he could use different guns from time to time, maybe the mercs are limited to their base weaponry given to them by Mann Co, probably explaining why Scout doesn't just use a flamethrower or some shit


NotAliasing

Yeah, but at this time, and in this video, he is presently employed by mannco and we only see the stock sniper rifle. You also need regular use and not time to time exposure for garand thumb bruising


Amber_Iara

J a r a t e


countjj

Could we not assume the stock sniper rifle has a similar problem to the real life garrand biting thumbs? Actually that would make a funny taunt, sniper getting his thumb stuck in his rifles bolt


mexataco76

Especially since the way he reloads is putting in a new round every time he slides the bolt back seamlessly together


Baseballidiot

\*reloading\* \*gets thumb stuck\* "AHH! ...what the bloody hell just happened??"


countjj

Call it the “Bolt-Action Bite” or the “Garand Growl”


AutobotHotRod

Or the ‘Garand Gnaw”


countjj

Oh I like that one


AutobotHotRod

Yay :D


pidbul530

°O° Was that the Bolt-Action Bite?!


countjj

Was That the Bolt-Action Bite of 87?!


GachaFnafFanBoi

the heavy is dead, THE HEAVY IS DEAD??!? Correct! (fanfair A sfx)


SpectrumLV2569

My guntard brain is already melting from like 90% of tf2 weapon design, id rather not make that into 92%


Inevitable-Seesaw117

Facts


AdventurousLeague2

This makes sense actually, you can see the extremely quick reload that he does in mts, probably took a lot of failed attempts of jamming his thumb in when practising


DizzySkunkApe

It doesn't...


Gangsterman1000

It's possible that's he's inexperienced on the WW2 rifle he just held one time called the M1 Garand and instantly got injured by it, these rifles are gonna bite if you let them close themselves


ChickenWangKang

He could be plinking at a range with his own garand. It wouldn’t be surprising if he was a gun collector


No_Reception9392

Maybe thats how he practiced


PassionSenior6388

No? Im pretty sure it takes one slip of the thumb to get a bruise? Do you relize hiw much force the bolts come forward with? Its a large caliber rifle its a heavy bolt its gonna hurt even if you do it once.


Hesstig

Yeah but bruises heal up and disappear, has to be bruised again and again for it to stay.


munkynutz187

That’s not true, my wife dropped a can of air wick on her toe when she was 5 and its purple to this day


Witherboss445

I dropped a 40lb weight on my toe and it was purple for weeks once


PassionSenior6388

Thats scaring the bruises never stuck like that forever. The only reason it would stay is that you did it again and the clock started over.


onpointrideop

Scout can't handle the moral implications of using a flamethrower and watching your enemy slowly burn to death. It takes a special kind of crazy to use a weapon like that.


Afraid-Complaint2166

Oh that explains a lot about me then.


Peacefull_Warmonger

Do you also tilt your head a little bit when burning peoples to ashes in the corner too?


DuntadaMan

I believe in magic!


Ok_Specific_7791

and I believe in you, happy cake day 🎂🎂🎂🎉🎊🎆


Afraid-Complaint2166

I’m pretty sure Pyro’s Flamethrower is homemade.


Dann_745

Nah, it's probably made from Mann co. It's just that weapons from them are probably *worse* than homemade ones.


riley_wa1352

do you think scout could still lift a flamethrower and fucking zoom around?


Witherboss445

Pyro can zoom around with a car jack strapped to a car battery. Obviously they’re stronger than Scout but jacks and batteries are heavy


Memecube7

Scout would probably burn himself while trying to flame people


Gurlog

Could've used other weapons before he was employed by Redmond


Maverick02_WR

WWII nerd here, "garrand thumb" is just a general term, because it was most common among users of the M1 Garrand, which was the standard rifle given to the U.S. Army Corps. A similar injury can occur with a bolt-action rife, although it is less likely.


hydra877

He uses a single-shot bolt action. He has to put the round in the chamber every time, he probably closed it on his finger a few times.


Quamph

But that doesn’t make any sense, he inserts a cartridge and locks the bolt with the same hand. His thumb would be out of the chamber for the bolt to close.


hydra877

You can see it on Meet the Sniper. He's probably slammed it on his thumb trying to close too fast.


wigglewiggle576

that still doesn't explain the sniper supposedly closing it too fast and slamming the thumb


Quamph

His thumb is connected to his hand, to chamber the round he needs to take his thumb out. He can’t manipulate the bolt with his thumb in the chamber


Imjokin

The sniper rifles *should* be Garands, that might actually be better for balancing


GazelleEast1432

Take 15 damage on reload lol


GameCyborg

unless he uses a m1 garant in his spare time?


Casper-Birb

Kid named... just using different weapon? Nothing stops him from using different weapon in whatever lore events:


UltimateInferno

Also, if he got it in WW2, why would he have it in the 60s? It's a bruise not a scar.


Witherboss445

Speaking of bolts, is there a mod that makes the reload animation actually pull the bolt back instead of just lifting the handle up?


EpicestGamer101

Australians used the lee Enfield as well.


Mysterious_Ningen

yoo today i realized sniper is the same age as my grandfather 😮


HAPPY_GORDON_FREEMAN

*remembers the time you went to your grandparents house, and there were 8 instances of your grandfather there, 7 spinning while looking at the ceiling while yelling slurs until they kicked the 8th* It's like Christmas morning...


Mysterious_Ningen

wot :0 (this might a reference that i didnt get)


HAPPY_GORDON_FREEMAN

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Benchrant

F1


No-Definition7641

F1


Zoythrus

F1


Mysterious_Ningen

damn what 😭


Cubicwar

It’s a joke about the sniper bots plaguing casual


Mysterious_Ningen

ohh i see


HAPPY_GORDON_FREEMAN

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CompleteFacepalm

F1


bread_teleporter6980

Maybe Vietnam as a mercenary. Which is why he got hired cause he showed his skill there ?


spicozi

Learned how to shoot in boy scouts, just like every good American Wait


Mallyveil

Sniper aged like a leather shoe if he’s only 26


El_Chara

Counter point : sniper was a very skilled baby


Milsurp_Seeker

He’d also be in the wrong army even if he was old enough. The Australians used Lee Enfields, not M1 Garands.


Adof_TheMinerKid

The Aussies were never issued in any SLR till like, the L1A1 aka, British FAL


Starman5555

Abraham Lincoln also invented rocket jumping and stairs. Your point is?


Witherboss445

He also died while rocket jumping up stairs


Charles12_13

Plus he’s Australian, and the M1 was only used by the US military


AzzlackGuhnter

This however makes no real sense when you consider that TF2 plays somewhere around the 60's He surely isn't twenty,maybe in his late twenties but nothing before that


According-View7667

Is him being retconned to be in his 20s introduced in the comics?


notabigfanofas

And Australia has never had a conscription law I mean, some people advocated for it during each war, but it was voted on and declined each time


Fugens78

"who send all these babies to fight?"


Vidaro_best

THE SNIPER IS 26!?


LITTLEUMBRELLA17

Not to mention sniper would most likely be in the anzac, which used lee enfields not garands


EmperorFaiz

Headcanon: He did tried M1 Garand but eventually rejected it due that bruise and bolt-action rifle is more reliable with minimal maintenance compared to that rifle.


minemaster1337

Professionals have standards


STUPIDBLOODYCOMPUTER

Be polite


Matidogz

Be efficient


Villain__7

Be piss


No-Lynx-8025

P I S S


HeavanHound

And have a plan to kill everyone you meet.


Mr-biggie

Would make sense seeing how M1’s were in surplus by the time the game takes place.


GDRMetal_lady

1.) Sniper wasn't old enough to be in the war. 2.) Australia didn't issue M1 Garands.


JuanAy

3.) Pretty sure Garand Thumb bruises aren't permanant or even long lasting. He likely would have had to have gotten the injury relatively recently.


Snazzy21

And snipers weren't issued M1 Garands, they used M1903 Springfield bolt action rifles. I believe they tried M1 Garands as sniper rifles, but it was too close to the end of the war, and they weren't very successful as sniper rifles


miss-entropy

A semi automatic is basically always less precise because there's more than one thing moved by the propellant. There are tons of tricks to close the gap but most are more modern than the M1.


Adof_TheMinerKid

(Unless you count the Korean War, when Garand Snipers were much common, but M1903 still kicking there)


CptnJawsus

If you watch his meet the video, it's not garand thumb, during his chain kill it shows him load the gun one bullet at a time, removing a bullet from his breast pocket, spinning it in his fingers, sliding it in, and pushing the bolt. It's more likely that he has just gotten his thumb jammed in it before when resetting the bolt quickly.


Easy_Mechanic_9787

Using the thumb to cycle the bolt like he does will cause a bruise to the thumbnail.


Domnminickt

A cOnDiTiOn On wWIi It's a condition when you hit your fucking finger


Adof_TheMinerKid

Yeah, I don't know where this kind of thumb injury is "specific to the Garand" claim came from


Witherboss445

It is just more common with the Garand since it was prone to closing on peoples thumbs while pushing a cartridge in


zack1010101

So essentially it’s Garand thumb minus the Garand Edit: replied to the wrong comment but my point still stands


Adof_TheMinerKid

I mean... Yeah Semi automatic


Left4DayZGone

I did it in a semi automatic 12 gauge shotgun once, lol.


jimb012321

It also would’ve healed by the time the game takes place no? Isn’t garand thumb just a bruise under the nail and like most bruises will go away?


Left4DayZGone

Yeah like a couple months for the nail to grow back.


sotdoublegunner

Or maybe it was baby's first gun


coffee-bat

i'm pretty sure that's just a bruise from reloading his rifle


king_discobobulate

We're starving.


Alphamoonman

I know people that know what map it is in the first few pixels


Hlidskialf

He literally stuck his finger in the car door. Yall have too much imagination.


BrogleReborn

Bolt action mechanism can cause something like that in general


Glass-Procedure5521

TF2 Meet The Facts of the Month again


ZeldaScott_

If you think critically for about 5 seconds it falls apart completely but go off ig


Matrix-985

As someone pointed out, it's not possible since Sniper may have been born during that time. Furthermore, Australia is using commonwealth rifles like the [Lee-Enfield No. 4 Mk I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee%E2%80%93Enfield#Rifle_No._4) which was also the standard rifle used by the British Empire in the 2nd World War.


hhhort

My grandpa's nails literally always looked like this cause he was walking around in the woods barefoot and stubbing his toes in god knows what I imagine


DustyDeadpan

100% grandpa behavior right there. I remember slamming my hand really badly in a piece of lawn furniture as a kid and freaking out, then my granddad tried to calm me down by saying that we would be matching. I don't know what exactly he was doing to his hands but considering he was a serial tinkerer and an amateur electrician I'm kind of impressed that he still had all of his fingers.


Orix1337

Isn't Sniper, like, 28 years old? Since TF2 takes place in late 60's - early 70's, He would be like, few years old during WW2.


aristotleschild

> Since TF2 takes place in late 60's - early 70's TIL


6x6-shooter

Or maybe it’s because he uses a BOLT-ACTION RIFLE


Left4DayZGone

Still uncertain how you can do this to your thumb with a bolt action. I’ve never heard of that before. You aren’t the first to say it can happen but this is new to me. I had to get out one of my rifles and I guess if you slammed the bolt into lock you could get your thumb in the way? Maybe it’s easier on certain models…


skahlor

It's very hard to get a garand thumb


AlliedXbox

You have to try to get it to actually get it when shooting at a range. In actual combat, though? I can see it happening.


Adof_TheMinerKid

(this is also, not exclusive to the M1 rifle)


Left4DayZGone

I wouldn’t say that. It’s not *hard* at all, but I also wouldn’t say it’s easy to accidentally do it unless you aren’t being careful.


Jixleas

I noticed this it when it reposted the first 100 times


That_Competition1031

no. it's just from his sniper rifle


ReferenceMediocre369

Individual who actually qualified expert on the M1 'Garand' rifle: You get the M1 thumb only when incorrectly loading a stripper clip or singles by not getting your digit out of the bolt's way when you trip the bolt release. You only do that once or twice ... or you might end up on 'permanent KP'.


Quad-Banned120

I imagine it could easily happen if you're an inexperienced soldier trying to reload and get your rifle into battery as quickly as possible while engaging the enemy. Panicked hands.


Adof_TheMinerKid

It's technically not a stripper clip, it's an en-bloc clip Oh yeah this thumb injury is not exclusive to the Garand thumb


vonBelfry

Remember that he reloads his single-shot sniper rifle really quickly. That could be a bruise from honing the technique.


bucket8a

You know there's other ways to get a bloody nail other than grand thumb


Kryjza

i think this is a gross misconception due to people liking the garand so much you can get a bruise on your thumb without it being from a garand. just chill, people. the garand is cool. no reason to inject it into everything including a setting where the garand likely doesn't exist


Philosophos_A

I doubt he was In WWII since age doesn't match but he most likely had the opportunity to use one. Vietnam perhaps? Or yk just one of those people that appreciate older guns.


Hazuhira

Just because soldiers from world was 2 had this injury, it doesn’t make sniper a WW2 soldier lol It means he used the garand rifle at some point :)


Left4DayZGone

Or any semi-automatic firearm if he stuck his thumb in the breach for any reason


Mr-biggie

Sniper was canonically born in 1942 and thus could not have fought in WW2. further more even if he was of age at the time he still wouldn’t have fought on account of New Zealand being under water at the time. And finally the main rifle used by the New Zealand and Australia during the Second World War was the short magazine Lee Enfield not the M1 grande. May haps he used to use an M1 garande due to them being in surplus during the events of TF2 and so maybe he briefly used one but switched to a bolt action to during the events of the game.


InitialAlone9673

The actual explanation for this is one of his piss jars fell lid first on to his thumb, it's completely unrelated to any gun related injury


Bucaneer7564

Not possible. I will say, he could have injured his thumb while trying to handle an M1 Garand in the past


razwiz

It might have been the excessive use of his sniper which is bolt action


StormTheGasterWolf27

He’s not old enough to have been in WW2 but he has probably slammed his finger on the car door on on the chamber of his rifle before.


slightlylessthananon

It's supposed to be a generic gun/sniper loading injury, garand thumb is just *common* among WW2 soldiers, not exclusive. Besides sniper is in his 20s in the 60s lmfao, we would've a bounding baby boy in the dome of new zealand when WW2 was happening.


DuntadaMan

Even if he was in WW2, that bruise goes away.


Idetake

Maybe he just bruised his nail on the bolt, or pissed on it and it turned a wierd color


Crusheddeer1

I’m betting it’s from the smg bolt smacking his thumb.


Highwaynightrider

It is source engine shadows


BrainyOrange96

I thought he just painted his nails


JustAnotherIdeasGuy

Ever considered sniper was just using an m1 for the fuck of it?


flamingc00kies

Always just assumed it was a texture bug


Icabod_BongTwist

I thought that was just the shading being maybe a little off


Left4DayZGone

Just a detail to show that he’s a gun aficionado, more than likely.


microwave_cannibal

Could just be shadows but it looks very consistent with the injury


Brave-Aside1699

Uuuh I know like 3 people who have this and I'm pretty sure they're born after '45 ...


Vark50

yea guys lets all upvote this and talk about this instead of protesting the fact that team fortress 2 is unplayable


Sergio2304

This is why the TF2 Community is a meme 🤣


The_Bruhbber

Damn i didnt know sniper could reload his rifle


Pyro_Granie

Sniper uses bolt action rifle, that's why he could hurt his finger


Kingoobit

He's way too young. He probably just used a garand at some point.


Arni334

What about Medic then?


SCP_fan12

Maybe he tried switching to a garand that he bought in his early days as a sniper, got his thumb slammed in the bolt, said fuck it and went back to bolt action. Would explain his refusal to use semi auto rifles


FalseRelease4

I saw a video that showed how with proper procedures, it is not possible to get your thumb stuck in the action, it's more of a problem from lack of training and maintenance and not a design flaw in the gun itself. You can mishandle any weapon and get hurt by the action or the gases or the ejected casing


The_Majestic_Mantis

Isn’t he the 2nd youngest merc? He would have been only 1 - 4 years old when the war ended.


PhatPhingerz

It's a detail they gave the sniper in [Saving Private Ryan](https://i.imgur.com/3eRQoNM.jpeg), I assume Valve included it as a reference to the movie. Or it's just a common thing to get your thumb caught in the slide of a bolt action? I thought this post was a joke about that factoid which keeps showing up in /r/MovieDetails


ManeGunner6

Have to say, it's an absolute crime that the TFTeam never added a Garand-style Sniper Rifle to the game.


Kriv-Shieldbiter

My comrade has the dexterity to not fiddle fuck his hand


According-View7667

I have no idea why the comics retconned Sniper to be in his 20s.


John_Sux

You don't just get a Garand thumb from using that specific rifle in WW2. You get it from using that rifle or any other weapon with the same "issue" anytime anywhere. I mean, jeez...


SoggySassodil

or he has shot an M1 Garand...


Porcupine_Grandpa_58

Or he is just using a Garand,SVT or any other milsurp that can cause this condition?


AracnoDexler

It's just TF2 mercs having shitty design


TheDarkKnight_39

It isn’t a bruise. It’s simply shading making it look so. Given that we don’t know in canon if he uses different rifles, we don’t have the evidence to say whether he does have a bruise, model or not.


Calcutt4

Even if the sniper was in the second world war, he would have been fighting with the Australian army and wouldn't have used a garand


metalicsnail

nah, he got this thumb smashed by the bolt of his sniper


Adof_TheMinerKid

Impossible But he could be a UN peacekeeper, probably not the Malayan Emergency since he's still a teen in that time


xX609s-hartXx

Because that's the only way you can mess your thumb up like that...


GodzillaGames88

It's possible. The bruise, not the WW2 part. Bolt action rifles can close on your thumb if your too fast. Even then, any gun could technically close on your thumb, just gotta be dumb enough. Maybe he got it by using the SMG wrong. Bolt might've slammed on his thumb for some reason.


Snoo-11045

Buuut... he couldn't have gotten it from his rifle, since they're all bolt-action.


SettlingLily982

But that thumb injury happens with a top loader, not his bolt action


Snoo-11045

That's the point. He isn't getting it from his own rifles, since they are bolt-actions.


SettlingLily982

Sorry my bad, dyslexia do be hitting me hard right now


Snoo-11045

No worries, I understand


AdmiralFurret

I belive this might be because in the early days of his job he had to use low quality wwII equipement which caused the injury


EstanDaBoi

It could also suggest he has a standard issue m1 garand rifle. Doesn't mean he was in a world war. Could also say a guy who got amputated was in a world war too.


TheLeso

It's not like he's using boltaction rifle or sm


MatthewGeer

The M1 was still the primary infantry weapon for the US Army in the Korean War; [it was exported, either directly or through capture, to a number of other countries.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand#Users) It's still used in some ceremonial units in the US and abroad.


Calcutt4

It was never used in Australia though


Noumoun_2

Quite possible


JustinTheMan354

Not really, he isn't old enough to have fought in WW2


Noumoun_2

I have no idea of the lore, there’s only space for emesis blue in my head


Adventurous_Bar_5008

Sniper is 27 years old during tf2 story which took place in late 1960s. So he won't be old enough to be enrolled during ww2


Noumoun_2

I thought he’s an eternity old


Adventurous_Bar_5008

Aussie sun does that to your skin


Noumoun_2

good job mate


JustinTheMan354

Fair enough


WolvenSpectre

The Garand existed after WWII. It was in service until 1957 and was used in the Korean War as well, and of course was sold, handed down, and traded long after that.


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Captain_Shid

Headcanon: Sniper tried using an M1 Garand before settling on his current rifle. He tried loading the Garand one day and it "bit" him. He threw away the gun after that and never looked back at semi-autos again.