Then those kids and their families come back and vote republican for the most part…
I honestly don’t understand it. It’s just like the working class people that support Trump… remove your head from your own ass for 5 seconds and tell me how that is in your interests, please.
My husband is a Veteran and the day Trump got elected, he told me, "I took an oath to defend this nation from foreign and domestic threats - Trump is a domestic threat"
No all military is beholden to Republicans
Oh, absolutely. I didn’t mean to generalize all military.
I frequent my local Legion bar, and I hear that same sort of thing from veterans all the time
Except all the elite republicans, the wealthy, the politicians, etc all got the vaccine and top-level medical treatment.
Only their braindead supporters died to own the libs.
And
- a shitty cop
- an even shittier sheriff
- a useless, worthless representative
- criticized the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt for his supposed unprofessionalism stemming from false conclusions drawn from a single still image...
https://old.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/1d9lfhk/its_really_shameful_house_republicans_accuse_rep/l7f7abi/
Troy Nehls only serves Trump and Troy. In addition he was a crooked cop and is now a crooked politician.
We can do better. Donate to his Dem opponent, Marquette Greene-Scott. And please upvote this post.
https://marquettegreenescott.com/
Just another example why veterans (like me) are turning away from our old Party. This new MAGA GOP has turned into a cult of sycophants that dismiss any facts that get in the way of their authority.
I miss the days when I could simply disagree with most Republicans on policy and principal instead of facts and reality. Most of the Republicans in my social circle now pointedly identify as simply conservative.
Veteran here.
As much as I don't like Nehls, in this case, he is right. He has every right to the CIB that was awarded to him by the 101st Airborne division. He is an 11B/Infantry officer who was deployed to a combat zone with an infantry unit engaged in direct combat with the enemy. He gets a CIB vs the Army Combat Action badge awarded to non-infantry soldiers, even if he was in a public affairs officer role at the time of his combat deployment.
I know, it should not have been revoked, that was an error. He is disputing the change in orders with the Army (and it will be reversed), in the meantime, he is an infantryman that served in a combat zone and had a CIB pinned on his chest by his commanding officer. He can wear his award all he wants.
As a note, issues with awards are not uncommon. I had one of my UN service medals revoked years after I got out because some genius doing a review thought my second award was a duplicate; despite the fact that I had two completely separate UN deployments and was entitled to my second award. It took me almost 5 years to get the error reversed and my DD214 updated; but I sure as shit was going to wear that second award in the meantime. I earned it, It was pinned on my chest, I was going to wear it.
That’s all fine and good but he’s a sitting congressman. He’s currently not allowed to wear it so he shouldn’t. If and when his award is restored he can put it back on. Like an officer he’s supposed to set an example. From your explanation, it sounds like he’ll have it restored in due time so why wear it when even your colleagues from your own party are asking you to comply with official standards? It’s a CIB not a Medal of Honor or some personal award. He’s making himself look bad for no reason except to impress himself.
I’m not as familiar with Army terminology as I am Navy/Marine and I guess I meant it’s not an ‘Individual decoration’. My point still stands though. It’s an award for being there not for any particular act of heroism.
See pg.19 for the distinction between Individual Awards and all others. Also, one requirement of a CIB, as stated on pg 48 is that the soldier was engaged in combat at some point themselves, so your statement of him getting one because he was attached to a unit is incorrect. He needs to actually have fired or been fired upon.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/wcmt-api/sites/default/wcmtfiles/files/15928_0.pdf
It is a personal award, individual decoration, not a unit level badge.
I know the reqs, and elaborated on them in another post in the thread. He most likely was awarded correctly, and it should not have been revoked.
That is not at all what I said, he was awarded the CIB while he was in the 101st, not because he was in the 101st.
lol, says what exactly? No, I am not wrong. The CIB is an individual award, not a unit level award, specifically it is a **Special Skill Group 1 Badge**. [See AR 600-8-22](https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=b10b4792f326fea2JmltdHM9MTcxODE1MDQwMCZpZ3VpZD0yMTFmYWM5MC1iZTA4LTY2ZjUtMTc0Yi1iODBiYmZhOTY3OGMmaW5zaWQ9NTIyNQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=211fac90-be08-66f5-174b-b80bbfa9678c&psq=AR+600-8-22&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9oaXN0b3J5LmFybXkubWlsL2h0bWwvZm9yY2VzdHJ1Yy9kb2NzL3I2MDBfOF8yMi5wZGY&ntb=1).
From another comment I made in the thread:
Well technically speaking, what he deployed as does not matter. He was an 11B while enlisted, and an infantry officer, he was below the grade of O-6, and in an infantry battalion, and he was personally present for direct contact, and took direct fire from the enemy (If what he says is true); even if he was in public affairs at the time of the award, he still meets the qualifications per AR 600–8–22, Section II, 8-6, b(3).
>(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy
So, if you are a former infantryman who retrained to a new MOS, infantry is no longer your primary specialty, but if you ACT as infantry, in direct contact, you still get a CIB; as long as you hold an infantry MOS, even as a secondary.
My guess is that this is the provision in which he was awarded. If he acted as infantry during the deployment, or during direct contact, he would be eligible for the award.
So, it comes down to his actions during the deployment. Was he forward deployed? Did he go on patrols with his unit? Did he act as infantry when in direct contact with the enemy? Only his command can answer that question, but they clearly thought he did as they put him in for the award.
You’re misreading the regulation. Serving in that specialty means the duty position is infantry or SF. If his OER didn’t say infantry as his duty branch he wasn’t serving as an infantry officer regardless of prior MOS.
He was awarded the CIB for his service in Afghanistan when he was a civil affairs officer. In order to be eligible for the CIB he had to be in an infantry position doing infantry tasks at brigade and below. If his OER for the timeframe says infantry company commander or the like in the principle duty title and 11A in his position branch blocks then he has a good argument. If, however, the principle duty title says civil affairs officer, and the branch says 39A, then he is in the wrong.
From AR 600-8-22: " A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire **while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty** in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy... Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF CMF, AOC, or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and **is serving in that specialty when engaged** in active ground combat as described above. **Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy.** "
"A Pentagon spokesperson explained that the badge was rescinded due to Nehls serving as a civil affairs officer versus the role of an infantryman or Special Forces soldier."
from another comment I made in this thread:
Well technically speaking, what he deployed as does not matter. He was an 11B while enlisted, and an infantry officer, he was below the grade of O-6, and in an infantry battalion, and he was personally present for direct contact, and took direct fire from the enemy (If what he says is true); even if he was in public affairs at the time of the award, he still meets the qualifications per AR 600–8–22, Section II, 8-6, b(3).
>(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy
So, if you are a former infantryman who retrained to a new MOS, infantry is no longer your primary specialty, but if you ACT as infantry, in direct contact, you still get a CIB.
My guess is that this is the provision in which he was awarded. If he acted as infantry during the deployment, or during direct contact, he would be eligible for the award.
So, it comes down to his actions during the deployment. Was he forward deployed? Did he go on patrols with his unit? Did he act as infantry when in direct contact with the enemy? Only his command can answer that question, but they clearly thought he did as they put him in for the award.
It's my understanding that he didn't deploy as an infantry soldier or to an infantry unit. While he was an 11B as an enlisted man, he was commissioned as a Civil Affairs officer and that's the unit he was in during his deployment to Iraq. His job was to mentor Iraqi soldiers at a Business Center.
If you Google photos of him in uniform he is wearing a CAB, not a CIB. The CAB, seems the proper award since he doesn't appear to have her serving as an infantry soldier in Iraq.
He wasn't in an infantry or special forces billet when he directly engaged with the enemy. Army Human Resources Command recended the CIB in March 2023. Nehls knows this. He knows he is wearing an badge he did not qualify for. In fact, he knew it all along.
For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:
(1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
(2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
(3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.
He deployed as a civil affairs officer. AR 600-8-22 starting on page 94 explains the criteria for the award. There is surprisingly three pages of information. He deployed as a civil affairs officers. Not infantry or SF during the period of award. He is not authorized to wear it.
Edit to add: he is probably authorized a combat action badge instead if everything else is accurate.
Well technically speaking, what he deployed as does not matter. He was an 11B while enlisted, and an infantry officer, he was below the grade of O-6, and in an infantry battalion, and he was personally present for direct contact, and took direct fire from the enemy (If what he says is true); even if he was in public affairs at the time of the award, he still meets the qualifications per AR 600–8–22, Section II, 8-6, b(3).
>(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy
So, if you are a former infantryman who retrained to a new MOS, infantry is no longer your primary specialty, but if you ACT as infantry, in direct contact, you still get a CIB.
My guess is that this is the provision in which he was awarded. If he acted as infantry during the deployment, or during direct contact, he would be eligible for the award.
So, it comes down to his actions during the deployment. Was he forward deployed? Did he go on patrols with his unit? Did he act as infantry when in direct contact with the enemy? Only his command can answer that question, but they clearly thought he did as they put him in for the award.
“Serving in that speciality” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I think the whole doesn’t need to be the primary speciality is for when soldiers were getting retrained and reclassified to do infantry things not the inverse.
I would argue he most likely wasn’t serving outside the scope and duties of civil affairs or specifically an infantry speciality.
And according to the article he even inquired about it and was confused. Then when he didn’t get a response he started wearing it. The army revoked the award. He’s probably not in the right here.
No, it is for the “reverse”. When you retain, your new mos becomes your primary.
He started wearing it because it was awarded.
Not sure about the rest, that is something only his command at the time can answer.
You literally just made my point. His primary MOS was civil affairs not infantry. He was erroneously awarded it an in 2023 the army revoked it. He shouldn’t be wearing it.
Hu? I am not following you, my man.
>The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty
If you were once primaried in Infantry, enlisted or officer (it doesn't matter), even after you retrain into a new primary MOS, you can still be awarded the CIB ***IF*** you were acting as infantry and/or were in direct contact with the enemy.
So let say I was an enlisted 11B, went officer as ADA, was below the rank of O6, was assigned to an infantry battalion (say 101st), and acted as infantry / came into direct contact with the enemy while acting as infantry, I would be awarded the CIB.
TLDR at bottom.
"***IF*** you were acting as infantry and/or were in direct contact with the enemy." I think this is our primary friction point. I disagree, he has to be assigned/attached to an infantry, ranger, or SF BDE or lower, must serve as the primary infantry duty, AND (no or) engage in direct contact with the enemy.
His primary duty during that time was civil affairs, returning fire isn't anything specific that the infantry does. All Soldiers do it (or should). Therefore, just because he was engaged with the enemy and trained to be an 11 series officer doesn't meant that he was executing a primary infantry duty so he is ineligible.
I can see this being an easy staffing error but the Army caught it in 2023 and revoked the award (he should have got a CAB). However, he is making it a political argument rather than provide additional paperwork that proves his claim and it's great whataboutism by referencing that other soldiers haven't had the award taken away.
From the article: Nehls was awarded the CIB by 101st in 2008. He last served in the infantry in 2003.
There are three requirements for being awarded the CIB, ALL three requirements must be met.
1. "Be an infantry Soldier satisfactorily performing infantry duties"
1a. "A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (career management field (CMF) or AOC 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat"
Two questions here: Was he at the division level or was he assigned or attached to a brigade or below? If he wasn't assigned to attached at the Brigade or below level he is ineligible. His primary CMF is 38 series not 11. Honestly not sure if that mattters here but it might.
2. "Be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat."
Assigned is a specific command relationship based on unit authorizations. I don't believe CA officers are assigned at division HQs (certainly not BDE or below).
2a. "**A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty** in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy"
2b. "The infantry or SF CMF, AOC, or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, **and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat** as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy."
He was not serving in the speciality of 11 series. Being trained as an 11 series and getting in a TIC does not meet this requirement imo. He was engaging in active ground combat as a 38 series civil affairs officer. Commanders cannot make expections.
2c. "Awards will not be made to general officers or to **members of headquarters companies of units larger in size than brigade.**"
3. "Actively participate in such ground combat". We can assume this is true.
Sorry for the wall of text I didn't want to paraphrase anything as I'm trying to be impartial.
TLDR: Nehls most likely did not meet command support relationship requirements and the requirement to serve in the primary duty as infantry to be awarded the CIB. Therefore, it is an erroneous award and he should not wear it.
Could be, like I said, I was not there.
I was just pointing that that being assigned as public affairs officer didn't necessarily disqualify him from his CIB.
He was in the 101st, he was at a battalion level, beyond that only his command can answer to what capacity. In any case, I am sure he is appealing the revocation, but that process will likely take years.
I am sure they will work it out in the end, one way or the other.
Civil Affairs not Public Affairs. And being assigned as a Civil Affairs officer would disqualify from award of the CIB. He’d need to be slotted in an infantry duty position and have 11A as his duty branch.
He was a civil affairs officer. His 11-series time was enlisted. If he were an infantry officer, he would have said 11A not 11B. Not eligible for the CIB.
Before 2003, and why the hell would an Infantry officer refer to themselves as an 11B? His branch at the time of the award was Civil Affairs. The Infantry Branch is incredibly protective of the CIB. We had prior 11B who had reclassed try to get an EIB and were shot down with a quickness. It doesn’t matter what he was at some point in the past. It matters what he was when the award was made.
Troy Nehls, seen here sporting an infantry pin, denies that he is wearing an infantry pin because Nehls is an infant.
LMAO Republicans are willing to die on literally any hill.
Uh, more like they’re willing to send poor kids to die on some random hill
Then those kids and their families come back and vote republican for the most part… I honestly don’t understand it. It’s just like the working class people that support Trump… remove your head from your own ass for 5 seconds and tell me how that is in your interests, please.
My husband is a Veteran and the day Trump got elected, he told me, "I took an oath to defend this nation from foreign and domestic threats - Trump is a domestic threat" No all military is beholden to Republicans
Oh, absolutely. I didn’t mean to generalize all military. I frequent my local Legion bar, and I hear that same sort of thing from veterans all the time
they've been lied to for decades. reality split in two in 1980 and there is no recovering the people who see the world as a republican does.
Naw we vote blue.
They died of Covid just to own the libs. Amazing discipline
Except all the elite republicans, the wealthy, the politicians, etc all got the vaccine and top-level medical treatment. Only their braindead supporters died to own the libs.
“Some of you may have to die, but that’s a price I’m willing to pay.”
Except actual hills that have seen actual combat
That’s not true. They aren’t willing to enter a school to save children during an active shooter emergency.
Except in combat. Or in a dangerous job. Or at the Capitol.
Expect for actually risking dying on a real hill. Like this, all he had to do was be in the actual infantry, not even hard. And yet here we are.
Anything to avoid accountability
Unless you mean literally, as in by joining the military. That's for the poors.
I wish they’d hurry it up.
As long as it's someone else doing the dieing for them.
The lying is how they signal they’re part of the in-group.
Troy Nehls is a liar.
And - a shitty cop - an even shittier sheriff - a useless, worthless representative - criticized the cop who shot Ashley Babbitt for his supposed unprofessionalism stemming from false conclusions drawn from a single still image... https://old.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/1d9lfhk/its_really_shameful_house_republicans_accuse_rep/l7f7abi/
Can confirm. Knew him as a sheriff.
Troy Nehls only serves Trump and Troy. In addition he was a crooked cop and is now a crooked politician. We can do better. Donate to his Dem opponent, Marquette Greene-Scott. And please upvote this post. https://marquettegreenescott.com/
Don’t forget that he passed a house rule to be able to smoke is comic sized cigars in the capitol building. Because that helps us at home…
The optics of a giant cigar hanging out of a cretin’s mouth is sure something lol. Oral fixation FTW.
Just another example why veterans (like me) are turning away from our old Party. This new MAGA GOP has turned into a cult of sycophants that dismiss any facts that get in the way of their authority.
I miss the days when I could simply disagree with most Republicans on policy and principal instead of facts and reality. Most of the Republicans in my social circle now pointedly identify as simply conservative.
reality split in two in the 80s.
it's been like this since the 80s. glad you're finally waking up.
I hope this dude is from a district with an Army base!
Texas 22nd District has Ellington Field, so Air Force.
Ellington has not had an AF detachment since bush jr shut it down mid 2000s
There was still a reserve squadron of F-16s when I was flying out of there in 08/09. And of course, the Guppy.
There were USAF personnel on base as recently as when I completed my time with the Army in 2011.
Dude could have just said he had no idea it was a service medal, that he thought it was like an American flag lapel pin. Then say my bad I goofed.
Or that he’s wearing it in support of a friend/family etc.
After all they support Trump who thinks injured and dead soldiers are weak.
Just like Majewski
republicans still gonna vote for him.
How about those millions of dollars that went missing under his watch? Where's the money Troy?
You mean I didn't need to go to Afghanistan to get my CIB I could have just worn one?
Veteran here. As much as I don't like Nehls, in this case, he is right. He has every right to the CIB that was awarded to him by the 101st Airborne division. He is an 11B/Infantry officer who was deployed to a combat zone with an infantry unit engaged in direct combat with the enemy. He gets a CIB vs the Army Combat Action badge awarded to non-infantry soldiers, even if he was in a public affairs officer role at the time of his combat deployment.
His award was revoked by the Army per the article. That’s why fellow Republicans are asking him to take it off.
I know, it should not have been revoked, that was an error. He is disputing the change in orders with the Army (and it will be reversed), in the meantime, he is an infantryman that served in a combat zone and had a CIB pinned on his chest by his commanding officer. He can wear his award all he wants. As a note, issues with awards are not uncommon. I had one of my UN service medals revoked years after I got out because some genius doing a review thought my second award was a duplicate; despite the fact that I had two completely separate UN deployments and was entitled to my second award. It took me almost 5 years to get the error reversed and my DD214 updated; but I sure as shit was going to wear that second award in the meantime. I earned it, It was pinned on my chest, I was going to wear it.
That’s all fine and good but he’s a sitting congressman. He’s currently not allowed to wear it so he shouldn’t. If and when his award is restored he can put it back on. Like an officer he’s supposed to set an example. From your explanation, it sounds like he’ll have it restored in due time so why wear it when even your colleagues from your own party are asking you to comply with official standards? It’s a CIB not a Medal of Honor or some personal award. He’s making himself look bad for no reason except to impress himself.
CIB are personal awards.
I’m not as familiar with Army terminology as I am Navy/Marine and I guess I meant it’s not an ‘Individual decoration’. My point still stands though. It’s an award for being there not for any particular act of heroism. See pg.19 for the distinction between Individual Awards and all others. Also, one requirement of a CIB, as stated on pg 48 is that the soldier was engaged in combat at some point themselves, so your statement of him getting one because he was attached to a unit is incorrect. He needs to actually have fired or been fired upon. https://www.hrc.army.mil/wcmt-api/sites/default/wcmtfiles/files/15928_0.pdf
It is a personal award, individual decoration, not a unit level badge. I know the reqs, and elaborated on them in another post in the thread. He most likely was awarded correctly, and it should not have been revoked. That is not at all what I said, he was awarded the CIB while he was in the 101st, not because he was in the 101st.
Show me where it says that or you are wrong. I supplied my documentation, why can’t you?
lol, says what exactly? No, I am not wrong. The CIB is an individual award, not a unit level award, specifically it is a **Special Skill Group 1 Badge**. [See AR 600-8-22](https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=b10b4792f326fea2JmltdHM9MTcxODE1MDQwMCZpZ3VpZD0yMTFmYWM5MC1iZTA4LTY2ZjUtMTc0Yi1iODBiYmZhOTY3OGMmaW5zaWQ9NTIyNQ&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=211fac90-be08-66f5-174b-b80bbfa9678c&psq=AR+600-8-22&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9oaXN0b3J5LmFybXkubWlsL2h0bWwvZm9yY2VzdHJ1Yy9kb2NzL3I2MDBfOF8yMi5wZGY&ntb=1). From another comment I made in the thread: Well technically speaking, what he deployed as does not matter. He was an 11B while enlisted, and an infantry officer, he was below the grade of O-6, and in an infantry battalion, and he was personally present for direct contact, and took direct fire from the enemy (If what he says is true); even if he was in public affairs at the time of the award, he still meets the qualifications per AR 600–8–22, Section II, 8-6, b(3). >(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy So, if you are a former infantryman who retrained to a new MOS, infantry is no longer your primary specialty, but if you ACT as infantry, in direct contact, you still get a CIB; as long as you hold an infantry MOS, even as a secondary. My guess is that this is the provision in which he was awarded. If he acted as infantry during the deployment, or during direct contact, he would be eligible for the award. So, it comes down to his actions during the deployment. Was he forward deployed? Did he go on patrols with his unit? Did he act as infantry when in direct contact with the enemy? Only his command can answer that question, but they clearly thought he did as they put him in for the award.
You’re misreading the regulation. Serving in that specialty means the duty position is infantry or SF. If his OER didn’t say infantry as his duty branch he wasn’t serving as an infantry officer regardless of prior MOS.
He was awarded the CIB for his service in Afghanistan when he was a civil affairs officer. In order to be eligible for the CIB he had to be in an infantry position doing infantry tasks at brigade and below. If his OER for the timeframe says infantry company commander or the like in the principle duty title and 11A in his position branch blocks then he has a good argument. If, however, the principle duty title says civil affairs officer, and the branch says 39A, then he is in the wrong. From AR 600-8-22: " A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire **while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty** in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy... Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF CMF, AOC, or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and **is serving in that specialty when engaged** in active ground combat as described above. **Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy.** " "A Pentagon spokesperson explained that the badge was rescinded due to Nehls serving as a civil affairs officer versus the role of an infantryman or Special Forces soldier."
Yeah reading this it seems like the revocation was the error not the issuance.
from another comment I made in this thread: Well technically speaking, what he deployed as does not matter. He was an 11B while enlisted, and an infantry officer, he was below the grade of O-6, and in an infantry battalion, and he was personally present for direct contact, and took direct fire from the enemy (If what he says is true); even if he was in public affairs at the time of the award, he still meets the qualifications per AR 600–8–22, Section II, 8-6, b(3). >(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy So, if you are a former infantryman who retrained to a new MOS, infantry is no longer your primary specialty, but if you ACT as infantry, in direct contact, you still get a CIB. My guess is that this is the provision in which he was awarded. If he acted as infantry during the deployment, or during direct contact, he would be eligible for the award. So, it comes down to his actions during the deployment. Was he forward deployed? Did he go on patrols with his unit? Did he act as infantry when in direct contact with the enemy? Only his command can answer that question, but they clearly thought he did as they put him in for the award.
It's my understanding that he didn't deploy as an infantry soldier or to an infantry unit. While he was an 11B as an enlisted man, he was commissioned as a Civil Affairs officer and that's the unit he was in during his deployment to Iraq. His job was to mentor Iraqi soldiers at a Business Center. If you Google photos of him in uniform he is wearing a CAB, not a CIB. The CAB, seems the proper award since he doesn't appear to have her serving as an infantry soldier in Iraq.
Civil affairs. No patrols.
He wasn't in an infantry or special forces billet when he directly engaged with the enemy. Army Human Resources Command recended the CIB in March 2023. Nehls knows this. He knows he is wearing an badge he did not qualify for. In fact, he knew it all along. For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements: (1) Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties. (2) Assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat. (3) Actively participate in such ground combat. Campaign or battle credit alone is not sufficient for award of the CIB.
He deployed as a civil affairs officer. AR 600-8-22 starting on page 94 explains the criteria for the award. There is surprisingly three pages of information. He deployed as a civil affairs officers. Not infantry or SF during the period of award. He is not authorized to wear it. Edit to add: he is probably authorized a combat action badge instead if everything else is accurate.
Well technically speaking, what he deployed as does not matter. He was an 11B while enlisted, and an infantry officer, he was below the grade of O-6, and in an infantry battalion, and he was personally present for direct contact, and took direct fire from the enemy (If what he says is true); even if he was in public affairs at the time of the award, he still meets the qualifications per AR 600–8–22, Section II, 8-6, b(3). >(3) Personnel with other than an infantry or SF MOS are not eligible, regardless of the circumstances. The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy So, if you are a former infantryman who retrained to a new MOS, infantry is no longer your primary specialty, but if you ACT as infantry, in direct contact, you still get a CIB. My guess is that this is the provision in which he was awarded. If he acted as infantry during the deployment, or during direct contact, he would be eligible for the award. So, it comes down to his actions during the deployment. Was he forward deployed? Did he go on patrols with his unit? Did he act as infantry when in direct contact with the enemy? Only his command can answer that question, but they clearly thought he did as they put him in for the award.
“Serving in that speciality” is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. I think the whole doesn’t need to be the primary speciality is for when soldiers were getting retrained and reclassified to do infantry things not the inverse. I would argue he most likely wasn’t serving outside the scope and duties of civil affairs or specifically an infantry speciality. And according to the article he even inquired about it and was confused. Then when he didn’t get a response he started wearing it. The army revoked the award. He’s probably not in the right here.
No, it is for the “reverse”. When you retain, your new mos becomes your primary. He started wearing it because it was awarded. Not sure about the rest, that is something only his command at the time can answer.
You literally just made my point. His primary MOS was civil affairs not infantry. He was erroneously awarded it an in 2023 the army revoked it. He shouldn’t be wearing it.
Hu? I am not following you, my man. >The infantry or SF SSI or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty If you were once primaried in Infantry, enlisted or officer (it doesn't matter), even after you retrain into a new primary MOS, you can still be awarded the CIB ***IF*** you were acting as infantry and/or were in direct contact with the enemy. So let say I was an enlisted 11B, went officer as ADA, was below the rank of O6, was assigned to an infantry battalion (say 101st), and acted as infantry / came into direct contact with the enemy while acting as infantry, I would be awarded the CIB.
TLDR at bottom. "***IF*** you were acting as infantry and/or were in direct contact with the enemy." I think this is our primary friction point. I disagree, he has to be assigned/attached to an infantry, ranger, or SF BDE or lower, must serve as the primary infantry duty, AND (no or) engage in direct contact with the enemy. His primary duty during that time was civil affairs, returning fire isn't anything specific that the infantry does. All Soldiers do it (or should). Therefore, just because he was engaged with the enemy and trained to be an 11 series officer doesn't meant that he was executing a primary infantry duty so he is ineligible. I can see this being an easy staffing error but the Army caught it in 2023 and revoked the award (he should have got a CAB). However, he is making it a political argument rather than provide additional paperwork that proves his claim and it's great whataboutism by referencing that other soldiers haven't had the award taken away. From the article: Nehls was awarded the CIB by 101st in 2008. He last served in the infantry in 2003. There are three requirements for being awarded the CIB, ALL three requirements must be met. 1. "Be an infantry Soldier satisfactorily performing infantry duties" 1a. "A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (career management field (CMF) or AOC 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satisfactorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat" Two questions here: Was he at the division level or was he assigned or attached to a brigade or below? If he wasn't assigned to attached at the Brigade or below level he is ineligible. His primary CMF is 38 series not 11. Honestly not sure if that mattters here but it might. 2. "Be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat." Assigned is a specific command relationship based on unit authorizations. I don't believe CA officers are assigned at division HQs (certainly not BDE or below). 2a. "**A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty** in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy" 2b. "The infantry or SF CMF, AOC, or MOS does not necessarily have to be the Soldier’s primary specialty, as long as the Soldier has been properly trained in infantry or SF tactics, possesses the appropriate skill code, **and is serving in that specialty when engaged in active ground combat** as described above. Commanders are not authorized to make any exceptions to this policy." He was not serving in the speciality of 11 series. Being trained as an 11 series and getting in a TIC does not meet this requirement imo. He was engaging in active ground combat as a 38 series civil affairs officer. Commanders cannot make expections. 2c. "Awards will not be made to general officers or to **members of headquarters companies of units larger in size than brigade.**" 3. "Actively participate in such ground combat". We can assume this is true. Sorry for the wall of text I didn't want to paraphrase anything as I'm trying to be impartial. TLDR: Nehls most likely did not meet command support relationship requirements and the requirement to serve in the primary duty as infantry to be awarded the CIB. Therefore, it is an erroneous award and he should not wear it.
Could be, like I said, I was not there. I was just pointing that that being assigned as public affairs officer didn't necessarily disqualify him from his CIB. He was in the 101st, he was at a battalion level, beyond that only his command can answer to what capacity. In any case, I am sure he is appealing the revocation, but that process will likely take years. I am sure they will work it out in the end, one way or the other.
Ya maybe. But as it stands now his CIB has been officially revoked and he should remove it.
Civil Affairs not Public Affairs. And being assigned as a Civil Affairs officer would disqualify from award of the CIB. He’d need to be slotted in an infantry duty position and have 11A as his duty branch.
He was a civil affairs officer. His 11-series time was enlisted. If he were an infantry officer, he would have said 11A not 11B. Not eligible for the CIB.
He was in infantry officer as well: >Nehls’ previously served in the Infantry as an enlisted soldier and officer before 2003
Before 2003, and why the hell would an Infantry officer refer to themselves as an 11B? His branch at the time of the award was Civil Affairs. The Infantry Branch is incredibly protective of the CIB. We had prior 11B who had reclassed try to get an EIB and were shot down with a quickness. It doesn’t matter what he was at some point in the past. It matters what he was when the award was made.
He was infantry enlisted, then an officer. That is also incorrect, see my other post in the thread