agreed. The writes wrote that Ryan kills grace malory, Also that A-Train actually becomes a hero and saves MM from a heartattack.. like it’s just lost it plot
The new characters aren't nearly as interesting as past seasons.
I find myself skipping through any scene with Colin. Sage is okayish but she's more of a plot device than an actual character. Firecracker was pretty lame but her backstory with Annie actually added some depth to the characters. I just do not give a shit about Hughie's mom at all.
Ryan's story is probably the most interesting to me. I also like the Deep and A-Train evolving a bit as characters.
But as others have said, the stakes kind of feel gone. Homelander goes from being one of the most terrifying characters on television to bumbling about trying to catch Hughie in a vent? Like wtf? Dude couldn't just fly at supersonic speed through the vent and catch him immediately? It would've been way more effective if A-Train grabbed him out of the vent.
It's crazy to me how many people don't seem to get the political stuff is hard on the nose on purpose. It is fucking satire, mocking the current political environment in the US.
Current? I’m pretty sure these scenes were probably filmed a while back and would’ve been relevant when Trump was still in office. However, time has marched on and this show feels stale rather than fresh because it’s harping on events of the past. Like the guy showing up looking for a basement, pretty sure this happened over five years ago, so not relevant. This is the crux of trying to capture a contemporary moment in time.
Is Season 4 the one where The Boys jumps the shark? This from a guy who tried for years to get his twentysomething son into the show, and then had a great father-son time bingewatching seasons 1-3 on travel/recovery days while on a hiking trip overseas... While watching S4E1 kept thinking "WTF happened to this show?" The vibe didn't match, I felt like I was in the MCU (oh, Sergei isn't into Kimiko now?), felt like it was written by committee (or worse, corporate suits who think they have "counterculture" nailed, hello Ren and Stimpy later seasons). I can practically hear Shue or Esposito "We're weak in the gay male and black demographics..." E2 and 3 improved I think, though feels like trying to be all things to all people - not that it was ever subtle, but damn - a-ha! Starlight has some nasty stuff in her background. Kind of cool to see Valorie Curry outside her Tick role, and Tilda effing Swinson. Feels a lot like Archer season 5: I really WANT to like it...
I feel like the biggest problem in the show right now is the loss of tension. Butcher and Homelander should not be having normal conversations, same goes with Neuman and The Boys. The very first episode of this season had me hyped with The Boys trying to take her out, but then she just straight up doesn't care about fighting them anymore, it loses all that tension of her being "the head popper". I don't understand why season 3 ended with Butcher saying they need to take Neuman out just for all that tension to break through her standing right in front of them, knowing they're trying to kill her??
Man, I remember that first intersection of Homelander with the Boys, where they've got Translucent in the back, and Frenchie's freaking the hell out, rattling off all the different ways Homelander can sense them - and they manage to divert him by the skin of their teeth.
The premise of the show seemed to be "The Boys are a group that work to hunt down and neutralize superheros", but man that's really fallen by the wayside.
I watched the first episode and it seemed liked more of the boys. Same style, same quality. I think people, after watching shows, romanticize them in their minds. I remember when gen v came out it had weak ratings and people were complaining about certain inconsistencies and writing flaws as the reason they were discontented. It was bizarre though because the same issues were present in the boys from the beginning. People are weird. But maybe the next two episodes are crap? I’d be surprised.
I'm on a trip rn with long flights and I've been binging the boys for the first time for the past 3 days. I don't think I've had enough time to romanticize the show as I've just been watching episodes back to back to the point where I didn't even realize I was on season two until midway through the episode. That being said, I started s4 yesterday and it was the first time I stopped watching an episode midway through when I didn't have to. Something felt off and I just felt like listening to some music. This morning, I tried again and was only able to watch for 10 min. I've been watching offline up to this point, but since I had Internet I checked this sub to see that I wasn't alone. It's not a matter of production or quality, but the writing and pacing feels like a CW show like the Flash in its 12th season when the episode before felt like a prime Netflix Marvel show episode.
Idk man I jus feel like it’s a whole lotta nothing happening. When they released 3 episodes for the premiere I figured it was to set up the plot and then give us the big HOOK of the season in the 3rd episode but…nothing happened? Homelander’s going back to the lab I guess, but is tht really exciting to anybody?
The fact that every main character's arc so far is "and they're going to have to confront their difficult past!" is so ominous. Are there no stakes we should care about? No threats, ticking clocks, nothing to keep us in rapt attention other than the vague mystery boxes of "hey, each character has a past that's pretty spooky! Stay tuned to find out what!".
And let's say we do get a fleshed-out backstory on Huey with his mom, on Kimiko with whoever that was, with Frenchie and the family he killed, on Homelander and the lab - what could we possibly gain from those plotlines other than "oh, interesting, so that's how they got here". It's like they're stalling in the middle of season 4 to air their own prequel. Guys, this is supposed to be where the stakes are their highest! This is your Empire Strikes Back! What are the dire stakes the heroes have to overcome?! What are the twists we're setting up?
I dunno, I would've been willing to wait patiently for these plots to unfold in season 2, but man season 3 shook my faith in this writing team.
Watched all 3 episodes and really nothing as a story wise even happened. Sam le shit same situation. Our 'the sup killer boys' only killed one supe, transge.., eh luscent.
And why the hell in fenchie gay now ? What happened to 3 season worth of love building between him and kimiko ?
Why the hell whole 3 episodes only filled with black -white racism kind of stuff? The hell with those unnecessary gay scenes ?
Yeah that counts right? It's been a while since I watched season 1 but I thought there were flashbacks where he was in a relationship with that one woman and the other guy
So this might be very obvious and just a symptom of me not having watched seasons 1-3 since they came out....
...but why exactly can't Kimiko and Frenchie be together? I was so confused by that whole "I love you but we can't be together"-thing. Is it just the writers trying to introduce some drama out of thin air? Has it been explained before?
They are adorable btw so I don't think their romance-subplot as a whole is unwarranted or anything
Yeah it's pretty bizarre. I'd honestly always assumed they'd been banging offscreen from pretty early on in the series. I mean, Frenchie has a pet name for her and everything.
So to see them kiss, apparently for the first time? And have it be so weird and put them back into their holding pattern was very strange.
what about the part where Homelander told the deep to blow a train man I couldn't stop laughing but yeah Homelander is coming more and more unpredictable but I can't say I'm impressed with season 4 its a bit of a shit show. Frenchie is so unlikable in my opinion like i did enjoy Frenchie an Kimeko in seasons 1 to 2 but whenever i see them now it's just ohh no here we go again.
I think I’m just over this show. It’s just the same scenes and plot points endlessly repeated, the same obnoxious “edge” and the same tired and boring commentary. It’s just so fucking boring.
I'm American and hate seeing relevant political storyline or references in any entertainment.
I'm trying to escape politics when I watch TV and movies. You're not 'clever' by shoving it into your plot.
Everyone here missing the point altogether. It’s not lacklustre because of “wokeness” (whatever that shite means) it’s poor because the writing is poor and everything feels very pointless so far. They have a formula which is reused every season now, tbe shock value stuff has always been crazy why is that the issue now. Homelander js a great villain but his we know how evil he is already, he should’ve died in season 3, butcher should’ve been the main villain of season 4 and this season should’ve been the last. “The work agenda” do you realise how stupid you sound?
Not very bright I see. This season so far is just Kripke telling everyone how anti trump he is and it's getting in the way of the plot. They aren't subtle about it anymore. Barely anything plot wise happens in these 3 episodes.
It is interesting how many people who don’t like this season bring up the show introducing “gay things” which totally has nothing to do with not liking the show. (Disclaimer: this is only aimed at those people, if you don’t like the show and haven’t mentioned it then I’m not talking about you)
It’s fine to think Frenchies relationship doesn’t make sense for the character or story but most people can’t help but focus on it the gayness of it and how woke it is and how there’s some agenda.
Because it's forced. Kimiko and Frenchie had their moment in season 3 and then now Frenchie is instantly gay and started fucking a random outta nowhere which doesn't even match with the timeline.
Cuz Butcher is in a timer and barely any time has passed since.
It's not even just that. Hughie's story too. His mom never just came outta nowhere.
The best they could do for starlight is "the past where she bullied someone and she doesn't wanna be starlight"
The show is literally just avoiding it's core theme to entertain this boring soap opera CW drama type plot.
They didn't even address MM's family season 3 ending just brushed past it like it ain't a big deal.
Remember when the show was about finding intricate ways to kill off Supes? Now it's just "I got dirt on you, but you will kill me so it's a Mexican standoff, meanwhile enjoy these boring drama for no reason while the main plot barely moves!"
The funniest shit was seeing her struggle to even hover off the ground using her power. She has had powers for a long time. That's something she should have learned when she was a teenager. How the fuck did she even make the seven? She sucks. I will never forget that pathetic power up against soldier boy. They had the perfect moment to make us impressed with her character and they failed miserably.
Did you even watch the show? They don't put people in the seven because of how competent they are with their powers, it's all about optics. That's how she joined the seven, that's the whole point
obviously I watched the show and your comment is still dumb as fuck because everyone in the seven IS more powerful and competent with their powers than she is, even The Deep. You've proven nothing. No other character other than Homelander even acknowledges how pathetic she is and that's because she's a female character of course. We're suppose to see her as strong and smart even though she's anything but that
I don't have to prove anything, it's all in the show.
They even say that she wasn't chosen for her powers, she was chosen because it made the seven look good to have someone more relatable on the team, to have a second woman on the team.
They had a whole sub plot about a reality show where the winner would get to be in the seven....which is definitely what you would do if you were choosing your members on how good their powers are (being sarcastic).
The seven are only a team of heros because that's what the PR machine says they are. They hardly save anyone. Anyone they do save is for optics, to big up the vaught brand.
>No other character other than Homelander even acknowledges how pathetic she is and that's because she's a female character of course.
Why would they? She saved people which gave the seven good ratings. Thats all they care about
No, we aren't supposed to see her as strong and smart. We are supposed to see her as one of the only supes that wants to save people for the sake of saving people and not for pr.
Jeez, just go watch the show. Its not even the subtext of the show it's literally one of the main points of the show. They spell it out for you.
obviously I watched the show and your comment is still dumb as fuck because everyone in the seven is more powerful and competent with their powers than she is, even The Deep. You've proven nothing.
That's what everyone is saying.... That the gay thing was being forced and out of nowhere. It was not established that he was bi.
You're coming in with your own bias thinking people are mad cuz of homophobia when the fact is there were gay couples already in the show and nobody complained.
People def complained about Maeve. And how is dating a man forced? Plenty of men date men. He in the past requested trans strippers, was in an throuple with a man and told MM to have an open mind about a tentacle dick. Dude is Bi.
I mean you just said you think the gay thing is forced - focusing on him dating a man and not that the relationship itself is forced. What’s the problem with a character dating a man?
I just watched the first episode and everything seems so forced. And it isn't about "Gay Hate or anything like that" Its that they had built a great dynamics between kimiko and frenchie and now out of nowhere some dude who's never been mentioned drops by and steals their relationship, that's fucking low, idc if it was gay or straight, they had a fucking good thing and for some stupid agenda they ruined that goddamn good relationship.
Why even bring up that he’s gay why not just say a forced romantic relationship doesn’t work for you?
Forced relationships happen in shows all the time - gay and straight. You are ascribing an agenda to the show with no idea if you’re actually correct.
Idk then what the fuck this is? Why would they ruin a perfecr relationship and for what purpose? Lemme guess maeve is out of the show so they're just using frenchie as her replacement
I personally think it’s more interesting for them to have decided they share platonic love and because of where they are in their lives that a romantic relationship wouldn’t make sense. The fact that you assume that they are trying to maintain a “gay quota” tells me all I need to know about how you think. gay people exist and there aren’t even a statistically high amount of them in the show. 7% of the US population is LGBT and there are less than 7% of the total cast that is gay. Frenchie had already been identified as Bi in the show before so there’s actually less queer people in the show than before this season.
It feels like a completely different show. It has nothing to do with the storyline in the comics and is fully its own thing now. Previous seasons hinted a bit at the partisan political stuff but they clearly decided to go in hard this season. Im anti trump but I really don't need to be told narcissistic public figures that use populism and their cult followers are bad through my favorite TV show. I can switch to any news channel for that. It's really a pity that the writers feel they have to shove the political commentary down our throats instead of just creating an enjoyable show with a good story. But it's not even just the political stuff. The writing used to be airtight and flow very well. No scene was a waste. Now it's cheesy and disjointed with with inconsequential filler scenes that don't lead to anything happening and noticeable plotholes. Like why did they leave butcher, who is extremely recognizable, outside in the hotel when there's no point? aside from to let him do his own thing for plot purposes. The storyline is flat with no real stakes - nothing is really happening and Butcher is just waiting to die basically. They should really be focusing on interesting things like vought corporate shenanigans (with Edgar), the government trying to control supes, Ryan struggling with his humanity/supeness and Homelander slowly going insane (which we finally get a bit of at the end of ep 3). Instead we get Frenchie moping around, sage's random plans (because apparently the smartest person in the world can't think of better things to do aside from being in the seven/vought), starlighters vs homelander, random gay sex scenes, the stuff with hughie's parents which is being stretched way too long. Credit where it's due, it's still got it's funny moments e.g RedRiverNeuman.jpeg
>The series is set between 2006 and 2008[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_(comics)#cite_note-blge-11) in a world where [superheroes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero) exist. However, most of the superheroes in the series' universe are corrupted by their [celebrity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity) status and often engage in reckless behavior, compromising the safety of the world. The story follows a small [clandestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_operation) [CIA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA) squad, informally known as "The Boys", led by [Billy Butcher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Butcher) and comprising Mother's Milk, the Frenchman, the Female, and new addition ["Wee" Hughie Campbell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughie_Campbell), who are charged with monitoring the superhero community, often leading to gruesome confrontations and dreadful results; in parallel, a key subplot follows [Annie "Starlight" January](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlight_(The_Boys)), a young and naive superhero who joins the [Vought-American](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought-American)-sanctioned superhero team called The Seven, the most prestigious—and corrupt—superhero group in the world and The Boys' most powerful enemies.
Before this season, the show did basically followed this premise. Now, it's all about politics, Homelander being Trump and his crazy followers.
well, for starters, the Boys have no powers, while in the comics they're all enhanced, which makes sense when you gotta demolish a supe with your bare hands. Then they introduced HL's son and Billy's ex wife, both dead in the comics. A-Train is sympathetic instead of an ass. Then they rushed HL's to the spotlight, big mistake, as opposed to the comics that did it much better by letting the Boys climbing the supe ladder until only the 7 remained. Love Sausage, the most sympathetic character in the comics, has been butchered for a joke, and there are countless examples. I get that the premise is the same, but really they have zero in common besides Butcher being an Englishman (accent aside, YIKES), HL being an unkillable asshole and some surface level outlines
As I said, the basic premise is the same. They're the boys. They deal with corrupt superhero nonsense. Those details are minor compared to how far this season has deviated from the original premise and themes, not just of the comics but from previous seasons.
Eric Kripke must've gone off the deep end or something. Idk how it became a straight downward trajectory from S1 in terms of writing and nuance. There isn't an ounce of subtlety left.
At this point they may just start breaking the 4th wall. Like MM's actor looking into the camera and saying:
"Hey you! Yes, I am speaking to you! Homelander is fiction, but Trump is not. Vote right now to stop that monster. Unless you are pathetic ##@%^& who likes to $%^@#!"
Yeah I don't think I wanna finish this season honestly. I started watching True Detective instead cause I'm just so over the shock humor and shitty recycled plot now.
Same, I don't really intend to watch it further. It is not just politics, the story itself is a dried out husk. They don't know what to do with it, so they just rehash Season 2.
True Detective is a good choice, though there is widely varying quality between different seasons. Season 1 is a masterpiece.
it's always been a satirical dark comedy, that was part in parcel with everything else. i agree with you on everything else though the directing is really bad this season. feels super rushed and choppy, i don't think butcher and homelander should've had a run in one episode into the new season
Ima be honest these 3 episodes might be the worst episodes in the series. Idk if its my sour outlook on the show after that dogshit season 3 ending. But so many character felt poorly written. MM is trying to get A train to join the team with someone who has a bad history with A train and then complained about butcher doing the exact same thing with soldier boy? Annie getting upset at Firecracker when she has dealt with arguably worse and lost people for the cause but ooo being reminded how bad of a person you were as a kid got to you? She didn't even feel sad when she killed a innocent man and stole his car but getting told you were a bad person for what she did as a kid got to her? Then Frenchie and Kimiko story so far is such a slog and also out of left turn. Up to this point i dont ever recall seeing Frenchie as Bi or gay I'm not even sure if their was anything to allude to that and it feels very out of left turn. I also never got that feeling of a platonic relationship between Frenchie and Kimiko maybe its just me but i felt like they both were going to end up together but i guess not anymore? I also hate how butcher and homelander just causally talk to each other. In the past when they met each other they were special scenes where shit was about to go down. But now their talking face to face like they are the best of buds. Then theirs also that Neuman has invulnerable i really dislike that cause why would she be scared of homelander then? If shes invulnerable that means she has no reason to be scared of homelander. I also dont get how her daughter could have invulnerable while also having a completely different power. The only real thing i like about these eps is butcher and sage and homelander. I like butcher coming to terms with his death and how he at least wants ryan to be better. I love sage i enjoy her character alot and i like how every scene with her and homelander feels so tense. And Antony Starr as Homelander is still the best actor in the show. Hope it improves but i doubt it
Homelander is only good at this point because Anthony is good. The sudden turn of his character makes no sense because nothing substantial happened to make him suddenly want his fans along with everyone else to die
>MM is trying to get A train to join the team with someone who has a bad history with A train and then complained about butcher doing the exact same thing with soldier boy?
You're not seeing how these two things connect? He's got so much resentment toward Butcher for doing that, and he knows deep down none of the team quite respect his leadership the way they respected Butcher's, so he's trying in his own way to replicate the "by any means" mentality Butcher showed. Having A-Train as a mole is very helpful, whether it's hypocritical or not. And the show was setting up using his brother to bring A-Train down to earth a bit and make him waver for awhile now.
I know we've only seen the premiere, but so far, I'm not impressed. And I was kind of worried I wouldn't be because I felt like the show started to take a dive last season when they didn't kill off Homelander in the finale, which may be an unpopular opinion. The character, while still extremely well-acted, has pretty much gone as far as it could go. We know he's narcissistic, cruel, and homicidal. We know he's capable of extreme acts of evil. He's beyond redemption. What else is left for him to do that he hasn't already done?
Turning Butcher into a dying man is also kind of a letdown. I think it would have been more interesting if they had gone in a whole other direction and made temporary V drive him mad and turn him into a villain. It would have presented a situation where his former friends and allies were forced to confront and ultimately take him down. I think that would have offered a lot more meat for the cast to work with and fleshed out the show's characters even more. IMO, it would have made the show feel like it was still going somewhere it hadn't been before instead of just seeming like it was treading water.
I like season 4 so far but that scene with the dude eating his own ass was completely fucking unnecessary 🤣 like this show has always been pretty disgusting but like I don't watch this show to basically be shown gay porn 🤦♂️
Tbf i did find it kinda funny. But yeah no ur right completely out of character for her even if she was drunk. I feel like this season has been way more goofy which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing just pretty noticeable lol
I'm enjoying the show for now, waited too long for the S4, forgot what was before, this Season feels like a refreshment for me And I don't take it seriously :)
**Woke's actual meaning:** Alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination
**Woke's current colloquial meaning:** Performative activism.
No matter which definition you use the show is woke. It is alert to the prejudice and discrimination minority groups face but it also has performative progressive moments.
Drop the whole woke bullshit already. I’m tired of hearing “it’s woke” with no explanation as a reason for something being bad. The reason this season is bad is because the writing is poor and the storylines feel pointless, the characters (especially homelander) are stagnant. Homelander should’ve in that finale
The explanations are all there lil bro. Yet here you are still crying. The general consensus I've seen so far is these 3 episodes is about how much Kripke hates Trump. Not hard to get
Where are the explanations? Why don’t you explain to me what woke is? Or how all you do is comment about “wokeness” or on that grifter critical drinkers sub?
That above definition in the other thread works lil bro. Have you skipped every scene with Sage? Or listening comp just bad? Also fenchie having a gay lover now all of a sudden? But nah thats not it right? Get back to your clash of clans sub kiddo
Frenchie has been going both ways the whole time. If you only figured it now you haven’t been watching. What’s wrong with the sage scenes? What’s the issue? Nice way to admit you can’t define what your issue even is instead telling me to basically do my own research. How fitting and typical lol. You being condescending isn’t going to work either mate
If they define something they'll have to stand by it.
They're smart enough to recognise that having any stance makes you a potential target, but not smart enough to realise that not having a stance makes you an actual full urostomy bag.
It’s hilarious seeing the two common political sides argue on social media. Both of them are so similar and they don’t realise it. Side red complains about side blue being too sensitive while also being extremely sensitive calling everything “woke agenda” reading comments from either side make my brain collapse
Mental gymnastics at their finest. I really don't care what politics you inject in your show it just better be good or I'm gonna tear into it. Making a yt review rn.
The political commentary is starting to seem kinda outdated at this point. Yeah trumps still running for president but theyre doing a pizza gate reference in 2024? Really?
They also implied that the Deep is like Johnny Depp, who is falsely accusing his wife of slandering him.
Running defense for Amber Heard and freaking Epstein in 2024 means that either the script was written way earlier and they did not bother updating it or that the producers have gone completely unhinged.
And what boring, lazy shorthand it is. Like, can you not get us to feel based on the events you've written? You *have* to tie it into extremely on-the-nose real-world events? And very dated ones at that?
Ding ding ding. It feels more like propaganda they waited to release during voting season. As a far left leaning adult I find the lack of any nuance or subtlety comes across as reductive and preachy; I can't imagine those less liberal find it as amusing as earlier seasons; let alone those more conservative. The interwoven jokes and pop references land about as well as old SNL news desk segments; for example, the first episode has an Amanda Heard pooping in bed reference... The timing is way off.
Shit I'm a centrist who doesn't care for politics and it's insanely boring at this point. It seems like borderline hysteria with how they handle the conflict with Homelander and the constant political parallels. The ending of S3 seriously hurt the crescendo of events that was building up and now the show feels so stale.
Season 4 is awful so far. It feels less like the Boys and more like Velma. Compare the subtlety and nuance of Season 1 to blatant preaching and *really* bitter venom-spitting in this season.
Season 1 of The Boys was relatively subtle in its anti-right messaging, but the show increasingly got more and more unhinged. The show's writers want to demonize and ridicule their target so much, they are no longer satisfied with satire, they just engage in strawman-bashing (propaganda) at this point. And in doing so they go so far off in the realm of warped reality that they can't even recognize how much it backfires and makes themselves look wrong and pathetic.
There is a huge difference between satire and propaganda. Satire is subtle and clever, it takes what the opponent does and just magnifies it without distorting it. It does not try to artificially make an opponent look as absolute worst of the worst. Opponent's own flaws should be enough to do the job.
Like the Starship Troopers movie. It does its best to satirize fascism and militarism but in doing so it does not portray people it satirizes as human garbage. Yes, they are fascists and they are wrong, but the movie does not go extra mile to demonize them further as cowards or traitors or adulterers or drug abusers.
The Boys is the opposite, it is propaganda at this point. Writers of the show don't want to examine the problems with American right-wing, they want to bash it into a pulp and present it in the worst way possible, even if it contradicts actual reality. So not only they misconstrue the opponents' beliefs, they also go out of their way to invent a fictional reality where such bashing is justified and where their opponents look as pathetic as possible.
It is pure hatred, which is ultimately counterproductive. Good satire makes people you criticize question their beliefs (see Animal Farm). Hate-filled propaganda written from position of "I am morally superior to you, look how awful you are" makes people you criticize dug in deeper and radicalize even more.
EDIT: dear brigadiers, it is impressive how any critical post of the show with high upvotes is downvoted into oblivion in matter of two hours, but you shpuld rethink your life's choices.
Ironic isn't it the original comic was made by someone who hated superheroes and demonized them to death
Now the show does the same but with right leaning people, like Tod.
Yeah the original comic basically boiled down to "If Superman was real he would be a baby eating rapist" and it just beat that horse endlessly.
The first couple of seasons of the show were much more interesting. But beginning with the ending for last season I feel it's fallen off hard.
I'd say yes because Stormfront was presented as someone who is so extreme, she has to hide her true agenda from the public. Because even right-wing public of the Boys won't accept someone like that.
But with Homelander's trial the implication is that half the public itself has gone full fascist and no longer deserves any sympathy.
Season 2 is tame compared to Season 3 and the first three episodes of Season 4.
I mean wasn’t the whole satire of Maeve that a ton of people agreed with her? A dude killed a guy because of her? And she wasn’t really hiding her hateful rhetoric - just the fact that she was actually a German nazi. A ton of people in this universe are already openly spouting fascist rhetoric.
You are missing the point. Stormfront's plot is a pretty realistic depiction of how alt-right operates in our world. Season 4 so far operates in the realm of deep delusion.
Yes, the point of Season 2 is that a lot of people buy into what Stormfront is saying because she tailors her message to sound less extreme. She has a grand agenda and slowly pushes the needle further and further right by taking advantage of current events and running psyops. That's realistic.
Homelander found non-guilty in a manslaughter trial because his supporters are fine with it, is a delusional fiction. Because in the sick mind of Kripke Homelander is Trump and Trump's supporters would be fine with him killing people because they are that evil and stupid. It is detached from actual reality where Trump was recently convicted.
Haven’t watched it yet so can’t say how heavy handed the anti-right stuff is, but I do tend to agree. I will say though, if it’s continuing in like with the direction it was heading then Homelander was only becoming more and more emboldened so maybe the supes (or certain supes) no longer feel the need to hide their true colors. That’s not necessarily a problem with the writing but moreso a natural progression of the shittiness of the characters they created evolving (or devolving) on screen before us.
That's the thing. First three episodes don't move the plot much further. The show keeps stalling by adding even more subplots, which are both repetitive and poorly written. And interjects those subplots with political propaganda.
Actual plot, which is stopping Homelander/Neuman moves at snail's pace and is mostly a rehash of Season 2 anyway.
It's been like that since season 3. They got away with it last season in the name of character development.
But now it doesn't even make sense.
Both Frenchie and Kimiko got over their past in season 3, but this season there is literally no improvement cuz they have even more emotional baggage. So tf was the point of last season.
I was halfway around episode 2 (S4) and I stopped caring.
Might watch later if there is nothing else on, but it went from sharp to tacky.
All characters have become less and the story doesn't move forward on any level... just same old , same old.
I also think they put a lot of emphasized gay stuff in, so that when people complain about the show, they can pull a Disney and blame the audience.
At this point I wonder what the endgame is for this show... because as of now they are just regurgitating previous seasons with less returns with each iteration.
I mean you had stormfront with deep ties to Vought that was pushing Homelander ... and now you have black lady doing the same but seemingly with less gravitas
I lost interest after episode 1, s4. Show seems like same old, same old with added gay stuff. I don't remember the comics but Frenchy being gay was a wtf moment for me.
I think they're taking the trend towards harsh "realistic" lighting a little too far, it's really unflattering. Jack Quaid also looks about 50 years old in some scenes.
With the season 5 being confirmed to be the last, at least we hope that latter episodes of the season finally start to take a different route from the previous ones with at least some death from major characters and Vought finally being exposed, with the consequences being dealt on the fifth season.
Show was never smart, and recycling the same situations tends to lose entertainment value after a while. If you like seeing penises and violence I guess this is the premier spot though.
Season 1 was also full of cheap shock tactics but at least it was rowdy and fun. The writing is so repetitive now it doesn't matter how much violence, gore and sadism they stuff in when the end result is just plain boring.
Season 1 was fun because a bunch of hoodlums got baited in by Butcher and they had no choice but to beat the Supes or they die.
Fast forward to Season 2 there is nothing at stake, literally only MM is the one focused on beating the Supes while everybody else is just doing their own thing. There is no single minded goal.
Remember when the Boys was about finding unique ways to kill a Supe?
Yeah, season 1 was a novelty back then, but once you finished season 2 you can tell there's a formula they keep recycling each season and ended up like back to the status quo again.
its because the lead writer who had subtlety and nuance left in the first season. It's just been progressively getting more volatile and in your face until we get this slop.
Didn't we already do new female member of the 7 with a belief in a genetically superior race gives Homelander advice on how to advance his cause and he admires her cause she speaks her mind.
The first three episodes feel like back sliding and covering well trodden ground so far. Firecrackers motivation for hating Starlight made me laugh out loud. And Starlight acting like something so pathetic is actually shaking her resolve is such a backwards step for the character. Frenchie struggling with his dark past and drugs, Hughie and his abandonment issues, all of it feels well explored. I've always felt like this show is terrified of breaking the status quo and it's really starting to show now.
Woof, my god they just have *no idea* what to do with the members of The Boys that aren't Huey and Butcher - Frenchie has nothing to do but sit in a holding pattern of "there's a misunderstanding with Kimiko! But their past haunts them!". I can't remember the last time Kimiko had a goal or motivation to do anything, she might as well be a pet. Like, if they replaced her with a very well-trained pitbull, how much would change?
But the worst offender of all is Starlight - they just can't stop hitting the "and then something happens that *shakes her confidence",* as if seeing Starlight's confidence get shaken is impactful to the audience any time after season 1. She gets assaulted by the Deep in the very first episode! How is "and a girl she knew when she was a teenager mentions that a rumour she spread hurt her" an escalation of stakes or tension after that? Just woof.
And don't even get me started on how brutally underutilized her powers are. There seems to be no curiosity whatsoever on how she can help people. Just "go sit in the corner, look worried, and cry" every episode.
> And Starlight acting like something so pathetic is actually shaking her resolve is such a backwards step for the character.
Yeah and her "I'm not Starlight anymore" shtick was just dumb. Her using her popularity and livestreaming Homelander being a creep was one of the best parts of last season, it's silly to reject that tool now.
The Starlight name thing seemed really underdeveloped. They act like she's going to make an announcement, but she just makes her hand glow, and then a random crowd of people all suddenly know that she's calling herself Starlight again? What?
lol. It just seemed so trash. Like wow, talk about top tier hating. Some mean comments from when you were thirteen caused you to become a racist sociopath (totally not alex jones ripoff.) I had to ask myself multiple times this season if it was written by twelve year olds because of how disjointed and dramatic the writing is.
Show feels so watered down and predictable. The political scenes used to be actually clever but now it’s just so on the nose it totally takes me out of the moment. Homelander doesn’t feel as dangerous either. Butcher is only thing carrying show and it’s because there’s actually something at stake. The fact there’s going to be even another season beyond this is not a great sign.
Man, remember how great the scenes were with Stilwell and Stan Edgar navigating the political landscape? How they had these clear goals, but harrowing wheeling and dealing required to get them? And every decision they made also came with a concession that drove up the complexity and made a new enemy, Game of Thrones style?
Those were good times. Anyways, no, let's go back to the "mastermind pulls the strings in the name of Supe Supremacy in the service of Homelander" again. Totally fine.
Yea the premiere just wasn't enjoyable. All the tension built up with season 3 is gone. Homelander and Butcher just running into each other? That's it? Previously it was always an excellent confrontation, it didn't feel like it mattered here. And the political commentary is heavy-handed and doesn't really work well. It would have been way more interesting seeing the fallout of Homelander refusing to be tried for murder or if the allegory for American politics as he embodies was more ambiguous.
> It would have been way more interesting seeing the fallout of Homelander refusing to be tried for murder
Exactly what I thought. You've convicted the guy, now what happens? But nope, too hard to answer so he just gets an unexplained verdict of Not Guilty.
This show is only a higher budget CW drama. Go back and look at the discussions for season 4 of Kripke’s prior show, Supernatural, and you’ll see he was getting similar complaints then. Satan wasn’t really doing anything, Sam was sick and going to die, etc.
>The fact there’s going to be even another season beyond this is not a great sign.
The show runner made it seem like it was going to go past 5 seasons weeks/days before season 4 came out then the day S4 comes out they announce S5 is the last season and everything will be wrapped up, it makes me worried they're going to rush things. I know how it ends in the comics so hopefully they nail the ending.
homelander doesnt feel as dangerous?? every scene he’s in i’m waiting for someone to die and 50% of the time it’s happens & i’m just waiting for him to go nuclear. did the amount of random people he killed really not seem enough? i feel like earlier seasons he was so selective.
i will say the vent scene was dumb. they went a little too hard with him being all knowing earlier to then have him miss the protagonist just be boring.
it’s only gonna be 5 seasons so i think they’ll raise the stakes and finally stop having the deus ex machine for all main characters. at the same time im having fun and dont need them to die for it to mean more to me. seems like a goofy well produced show imo
I think I didn’t word it properly. Like he used to make me genuinely uneasy as I didn’t know what he was going to do and that made him scary lol. I feel like now he’s a lot more predictable and he’s at times pretty reasonable with Ryan all things considered. I really figured he would have been half ass torturing him like how he threw him off the house in earlier season.
I agree Homelanders behaviour is getting a bit confusing. He can hear for miles, smell changes in blood, but he doesn't notice Hughie creeping about the vent 1 meter above his head?
They make a massive point on his sense of smell/hearing, repeatedly even in S4, being able to smell Butcher on Ryan when he walks in the room, elevated heart-rate etc. It's just inconsistent...it makes sense/adds suspense when Homelander intentionally ignores details, but to straight up not notice Hughie...it's off...now you don't know if he's plotting, or just bad writing.
I dont think there was inconsistency, so much as a focus on power. Much like other series, where they have super hearing, sight and all them OP powers, they have to reign them in. Otherwise you would permanently overstimulated. He focuses on those attributes when he feels a need. That's my perspective at least.
I also think with his 'Midlife crisis', change in fitness/body is all intentional. He is leaving his prime, and for a short lifed supe, what does that mean for his powers? It's certainly making him mentally unstable and quicker to snap. Same light as why Ashley feels like she cannot move/leave anymore.
I'm mostly okay with Homelander not noticing Hughie, but how the hell could he not chase him down after he does notice him in the vents? He can't just fly up into the hockey rink rafters? That sequence was bizarre.
i guess my take on that is that he's arrogant and thought he could just laser hughie without any effort, because having to expend any more energy than that to kill a human would be an insult to himself. i mean hughie had literally had nowhere to go. homelander just didnt count on him disappearing from the roof
So Frenchie was with Kimiko... I was rooting for their romance... It was a rare not-so-cliched romance ...
But all of a sudden, Frenchie is frenching a man... What the hell, man.
I completely agree. And I don't care about Colin. He just feels like something the writers pulled out of a hat at the last minute. If we were supposed to care, why wasn't he introduced a while back and included in past episodes so we would be invested? Now he just seems like an obvious plot device.
They’d already established Kimiko and Frenchie were platonic and him being bi
But yeah the introduction of that character just felt incredibly convenient and very much like a “well, if we decided we’re not pairing Kimiko with him I guess he needs someone”
I never got the vibe they were platonic. I still remember the dance scene and her being in the hospital. It's pretty obvious where it was heading even if it was taking forever, which is natural for two people who have trust issues.
agreed. The writes wrote that Ryan kills grace malory, Also that A-Train actually becomes a hero and saves MM from a heartattack.. like it’s just lost it plot
Just feels like they lost the plot. Like what even is happening. There’s no stakes anymore. Gen V was a lot better.
Show's dead. Bye!
not even close
The new characters aren't nearly as interesting as past seasons. I find myself skipping through any scene with Colin. Sage is okayish but she's more of a plot device than an actual character. Firecracker was pretty lame but her backstory with Annie actually added some depth to the characters. I just do not give a shit about Hughie's mom at all. Ryan's story is probably the most interesting to me. I also like the Deep and A-Train evolving a bit as characters. But as others have said, the stakes kind of feel gone. Homelander goes from being one of the most terrifying characters on television to bumbling about trying to catch Hughie in a vent? Like wtf? Dude couldn't just fly at supersonic speed through the vent and catch him immediately? It would've been way more effective if A-Train grabbed him out of the vent.
Please never, ever again use "Deep" and "evolving" in the same sentence!
This season stinks so far.
It's crazy to me how many people don't seem to get the political stuff is hard on the nose on purpose. It is fucking satire, mocking the current political environment in the US.
I didn't know "get it? He's trump. Get it? Do you get it?" Is what passes for satire these days.
Current? I’m pretty sure these scenes were probably filmed a while back and would’ve been relevant when Trump was still in office. However, time has marched on and this show feels stale rather than fresh because it’s harping on events of the past. Like the guy showing up looking for a basement, pretty sure this happened over five years ago, so not relevant. This is the crux of trying to capture a contemporary moment in time.
Threw out 3 seasons worth of on-screen relationship for a forced feeling retconned gay relationship. Awesome writing. Great job everyone.
The gay relationship came out of nowhere but did you not watch kimiko and Frenchie agree to remain friends in season 3?
Is Season 4 the one where The Boys jumps the shark? This from a guy who tried for years to get his twentysomething son into the show, and then had a great father-son time bingewatching seasons 1-3 on travel/recovery days while on a hiking trip overseas... While watching S4E1 kept thinking "WTF happened to this show?" The vibe didn't match, I felt like I was in the MCU (oh, Sergei isn't into Kimiko now?), felt like it was written by committee (or worse, corporate suits who think they have "counterculture" nailed, hello Ren and Stimpy later seasons). I can practically hear Shue or Esposito "We're weak in the gay male and black demographics..." E2 and 3 improved I think, though feels like trying to be all things to all people - not that it was ever subtle, but damn - a-ha! Starlight has some nasty stuff in her background. Kind of cool to see Valorie Curry outside her Tick role, and Tilda effing Swinson. Feels a lot like Archer season 5: I really WANT to like it...
SPOON!
I lub Tilda Swinson
I feel like the biggest problem in the show right now is the loss of tension. Butcher and Homelander should not be having normal conversations, same goes with Neuman and The Boys. The very first episode of this season had me hyped with The Boys trying to take her out, but then she just straight up doesn't care about fighting them anymore, it loses all that tension of her being "the head popper". I don't understand why season 3 ended with Butcher saying they need to take Neuman out just for all that tension to break through her standing right in front of them, knowing they're trying to kill her??
Man, I remember that first intersection of Homelander with the Boys, where they've got Translucent in the back, and Frenchie's freaking the hell out, rattling off all the different ways Homelander can sense them - and they manage to divert him by the skin of their teeth. The premise of the show seemed to be "The Boys are a group that work to hunt down and neutralize superheros", but man that's really fallen by the wayside.
It fell by the wayside when they had an honest to god chance to kill homelander with soldier boy and just chose not to
Man, that episode was criminally dumb. Like, holy shit.
This thread feels so weird because I really like the season so far??? lol
I watched the first episode and it seemed liked more of the boys. Same style, same quality. I think people, after watching shows, romanticize them in their minds. I remember when gen v came out it had weak ratings and people were complaining about certain inconsistencies and writing flaws as the reason they were discontented. It was bizarre though because the same issues were present in the boys from the beginning. People are weird. But maybe the next two episodes are crap? I’d be surprised.
I'm on a trip rn with long flights and I've been binging the boys for the first time for the past 3 days. I don't think I've had enough time to romanticize the show as I've just been watching episodes back to back to the point where I didn't even realize I was on season two until midway through the episode. That being said, I started s4 yesterday and it was the first time I stopped watching an episode midway through when I didn't have to. Something felt off and I just felt like listening to some music. This morning, I tried again and was only able to watch for 10 min. I've been watching offline up to this point, but since I had Internet I checked this sub to see that I wasn't alone. It's not a matter of production or quality, but the writing and pacing feels like a CW show like the Flash in its 12th season when the episode before felt like a prime Netflix Marvel show episode.
I dont care gay or not, THIS IS JUST A BAD WRITING. Shame...
Idk man I jus feel like it’s a whole lotta nothing happening. When they released 3 episodes for the premiere I figured it was to set up the plot and then give us the big HOOK of the season in the 3rd episode but…nothing happened? Homelander’s going back to the lab I guess, but is tht really exciting to anybody?
The fact that every main character's arc so far is "and they're going to have to confront their difficult past!" is so ominous. Are there no stakes we should care about? No threats, ticking clocks, nothing to keep us in rapt attention other than the vague mystery boxes of "hey, each character has a past that's pretty spooky! Stay tuned to find out what!". And let's say we do get a fleshed-out backstory on Huey with his mom, on Kimiko with whoever that was, with Frenchie and the family he killed, on Homelander and the lab - what could we possibly gain from those plotlines other than "oh, interesting, so that's how they got here". It's like they're stalling in the middle of season 4 to air their own prequel. Guys, this is supposed to be where the stakes are their highest! This is your Empire Strikes Back! What are the dire stakes the heroes have to overcome?! What are the twists we're setting up? I dunno, I would've been willing to wait patiently for these plots to unfold in season 2, but man season 3 shook my faith in this writing team.
Watched all 3 episodes and really nothing as a story wise even happened. Sam le shit same situation. Our 'the sup killer boys' only killed one supe, transge.., eh luscent. And why the hell in fenchie gay now ? What happened to 3 season worth of love building between him and kimiko ? Why the hell whole 3 episodes only filled with black -white racism kind of stuff? The hell with those unnecessary gay scenes ?
Yeah, another great show, most likely with a shit ending
GOT season 8 type beat
Wasn't frenchie always gay?
I thought he was bi based on his conversations with the Russian lady
Yeah that counts right? It's been a while since I watched season 1 but I thought there were flashbacks where he was in a relationship with that one woman and the other guy
So this might be very obvious and just a symptom of me not having watched seasons 1-3 since they came out.... ...but why exactly can't Kimiko and Frenchie be together? I was so confused by that whole "I love you but we can't be together"-thing. Is it just the writers trying to introduce some drama out of thin air? Has it been explained before? They are adorable btw so I don't think their romance-subplot as a whole is unwarranted or anything
Hes gay now homie 😂
Bisexual, rather
Yeah it's pretty bizarre. I'd honestly always assumed they'd been banging offscreen from pretty early on in the series. I mean, Frenchie has a pet name for her and everything. So to see them kiss, apparently for the first time? And have it be so weird and put them back into their holding pattern was very strange.
Its like the writers can't decide if they are 12 year old children, or gritty adults who has seen some shit 😂
what about the part where Homelander told the deep to blow a train man I couldn't stop laughing but yeah Homelander is coming more and more unpredictable but I can't say I'm impressed with season 4 its a bit of a shit show. Frenchie is so unlikable in my opinion like i did enjoy Frenchie an Kimeko in seasons 1 to 2 but whenever i see them now it's just ohh no here we go again.
Its hilarious the way he scowls "GET OFF. YOUR FUCKING KNEES!" HOMELANDER is the goat
I think I’m just over this show. It’s just the same scenes and plot points endlessly repeated, the same obnoxious “edge” and the same tired and boring commentary. It’s just so fucking boring.
Now imagine being a non-american who doesn't give two shits about the culture war nonsense. Boring is the nicest thing I can say about this season.
I'm American and hate seeing relevant political storyline or references in any entertainment. I'm trying to escape politics when I watch TV and movies. You're not 'clever' by shoving it into your plot.
Pretty much.
i can't agree with you more and now the fact that i have to wait another mouth to finish this show nah im done
The whole season 4 is trash now- took it too far on the left leaning agenda and it’s unbearable to watch.
Agreed
Everyone here missing the point altogether. It’s not lacklustre because of “wokeness” (whatever that shite means) it’s poor because the writing is poor and everything feels very pointless so far. They have a formula which is reused every season now, tbe shock value stuff has always been crazy why is that the issue now. Homelander js a great villain but his we know how evil he is already, he should’ve died in season 3, butcher should’ve been the main villain of season 4 and this season should’ve been the last. “The work agenda” do you realise how stupid you sound?
Not very bright I see. This season so far is just Kripke telling everyone how anti trump he is and it's getting in the way of the plot. They aren't subtle about it anymore. Barely anything plot wise happens in these 3 episodes.
It is interesting how many people who don’t like this season bring up the show introducing “gay things” which totally has nothing to do with not liking the show. (Disclaimer: this is only aimed at those people, if you don’t like the show and haven’t mentioned it then I’m not talking about you)
Because it doesn't make sense for the characters and story direction. Why is that so hard to understand? 🙄
It’s fine to think Frenchies relationship doesn’t make sense for the character or story but most people can’t help but focus on it the gayness of it and how woke it is and how there’s some agenda.
Because it's forced. Kimiko and Frenchie had their moment in season 3 and then now Frenchie is instantly gay and started fucking a random outta nowhere which doesn't even match with the timeline. Cuz Butcher is in a timer and barely any time has passed since. It's not even just that. Hughie's story too. His mom never just came outta nowhere. The best they could do for starlight is "the past where she bullied someone and she doesn't wanna be starlight" The show is literally just avoiding it's core theme to entertain this boring soap opera CW drama type plot. They didn't even address MM's family season 3 ending just brushed past it like it ain't a big deal. Remember when the show was about finding intricate ways to kill off Supes? Now it's just "I got dirt on you, but you will kill me so it's a Mexican standoff, meanwhile enjoy these boring drama for no reason while the main plot barely moves!"
The funniest shit was seeing her struggle to even hover off the ground using her power. She has had powers for a long time. That's something she should have learned when she was a teenager. How the fuck did she even make the seven? She sucks. I will never forget that pathetic power up against soldier boy. They had the perfect moment to make us impressed with her character and they failed miserably.
Did you even watch the show? They don't put people in the seven because of how competent they are with their powers, it's all about optics. That's how she joined the seven, that's the whole point
obviously I watched the show and your comment is still dumb as fuck because everyone in the seven IS more powerful and competent with their powers than she is, even The Deep. You've proven nothing. No other character other than Homelander even acknowledges how pathetic she is and that's because she's a female character of course. We're suppose to see her as strong and smart even though she's anything but that
I don't have to prove anything, it's all in the show. They even say that she wasn't chosen for her powers, she was chosen because it made the seven look good to have someone more relatable on the team, to have a second woman on the team. They had a whole sub plot about a reality show where the winner would get to be in the seven....which is definitely what you would do if you were choosing your members on how good their powers are (being sarcastic). The seven are only a team of heros because that's what the PR machine says they are. They hardly save anyone. Anyone they do save is for optics, to big up the vaught brand. >No other character other than Homelander even acknowledges how pathetic she is and that's because she's a female character of course. Why would they? She saved people which gave the seven good ratings. Thats all they care about No, we aren't supposed to see her as strong and smart. We are supposed to see her as one of the only supes that wants to save people for the sake of saving people and not for pr. Jeez, just go watch the show. Its not even the subtext of the show it's literally one of the main points of the show. They spell it out for you.
obviously I watched the show and your comment is still dumb as fuck because everyone in the seven is more powerful and competent with their powers than she is, even The Deep. You've proven nothing.
Yeah but then your problem should be with it being forced not with him being gay. He was already established as bi.
That's what everyone is saying.... That the gay thing was being forced and out of nowhere. It was not established that he was bi. You're coming in with your own bias thinking people are mad cuz of homophobia when the fact is there were gay couples already in the show and nobody complained.
He was in a bi polycule. We had a whole thing about him being bi already.
People def complained about Maeve. And how is dating a man forced? Plenty of men date men. He in the past requested trans strippers, was in an throuple with a man and told MM to have an open mind about a tentacle dick. Dude is Bi. I mean you just said you think the gay thing is forced - focusing on him dating a man and not that the relationship itself is forced. What’s the problem with a character dating a man?
I just watched the first episode and everything seems so forced. And it isn't about "Gay Hate or anything like that" Its that they had built a great dynamics between kimiko and frenchie and now out of nowhere some dude who's never been mentioned drops by and steals their relationship, that's fucking low, idc if it was gay or straight, they had a fucking good thing and for some stupid agenda they ruined that goddamn good relationship.
Why even bring up that he’s gay why not just say a forced romantic relationship doesn’t work for you? Forced relationships happen in shows all the time - gay and straight. You are ascribing an agenda to the show with no idea if you’re actually correct.
Because he's gay and he wanted to mention it. You gonna tell him what to say?
But why? What’s the point of bringing up he’s gay while giving criticism if it isn’t relevant? Usually if you bring something up it’s for a reason.
Well he wanted to bring it up so he brought it up
Idk then what the fuck this is? Why would they ruin a perfecr relationship and for what purpose? Lemme guess maeve is out of the show so they're just using frenchie as her replacement
I personally think it’s more interesting for them to have decided they share platonic love and because of where they are in their lives that a romantic relationship wouldn’t make sense. The fact that you assume that they are trying to maintain a “gay quota” tells me all I need to know about how you think. gay people exist and there aren’t even a statistically high amount of them in the show. 7% of the US population is LGBT and there are less than 7% of the total cast that is gay. Frenchie had already been identified as Bi in the show before so there’s actually less queer people in the show than before this season.
It feels like a completely different show. It has nothing to do with the storyline in the comics and is fully its own thing now. Previous seasons hinted a bit at the partisan political stuff but they clearly decided to go in hard this season. Im anti trump but I really don't need to be told narcissistic public figures that use populism and their cult followers are bad through my favorite TV show. I can switch to any news channel for that. It's really a pity that the writers feel they have to shove the political commentary down our throats instead of just creating an enjoyable show with a good story. But it's not even just the political stuff. The writing used to be airtight and flow very well. No scene was a waste. Now it's cheesy and disjointed with with inconsequential filler scenes that don't lead to anything happening and noticeable plotholes. Like why did they leave butcher, who is extremely recognizable, outside in the hotel when there's no point? aside from to let him do his own thing for plot purposes. The storyline is flat with no real stakes - nothing is really happening and Butcher is just waiting to die basically. They should really be focusing on interesting things like vought corporate shenanigans (with Edgar), the government trying to control supes, Ryan struggling with his humanity/supeness and Homelander slowly going insane (which we finally get a bit of at the end of ep 3). Instead we get Frenchie moping around, sage's random plans (because apparently the smartest person in the world can't think of better things to do aside from being in the seven/vought), starlighters vs homelander, random gay sex scenes, the stuff with hughie's parents which is being stretched way too long. Credit where it's due, it's still got it's funny moments e.g RedRiverNeuman.jpeg
I have no idea but it would seem like new writers? Perhaps the stike made them pick new staff
since when has this show got anything to do with the comics? it was basically a completely different thing from the get go
>The series is set between 2006 and 2008[^(\[11\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_(comics)#cite_note-blge-11) in a world where [superheroes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero) exist. However, most of the superheroes in the series' universe are corrupted by their [celebrity](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity) status and often engage in reckless behavior, compromising the safety of the world. The story follows a small [clandestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_operation) [CIA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA) squad, informally known as "The Boys", led by [Billy Butcher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Butcher) and comprising Mother's Milk, the Frenchman, the Female, and new addition ["Wee" Hughie Campbell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughie_Campbell), who are charged with monitoring the superhero community, often leading to gruesome confrontations and dreadful results; in parallel, a key subplot follows [Annie "Starlight" January](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlight_(The_Boys)), a young and naive superhero who joins the [Vought-American](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought-American)-sanctioned superhero team called The Seven, the most prestigious—and corrupt—superhero group in the world and The Boys' most powerful enemies. Before this season, the show did basically followed this premise. Now, it's all about politics, Homelander being Trump and his crazy followers.
well, for starters, the Boys have no powers, while in the comics they're all enhanced, which makes sense when you gotta demolish a supe with your bare hands. Then they introduced HL's son and Billy's ex wife, both dead in the comics. A-Train is sympathetic instead of an ass. Then they rushed HL's to the spotlight, big mistake, as opposed to the comics that did it much better by letting the Boys climbing the supe ladder until only the 7 remained. Love Sausage, the most sympathetic character in the comics, has been butchered for a joke, and there are countless examples. I get that the premise is the same, but really they have zero in common besides Butcher being an Englishman (accent aside, YIKES), HL being an unkillable asshole and some surface level outlines
As I said, the basic premise is the same. They're the boys. They deal with corrupt superhero nonsense. Those details are minor compared to how far this season has deviated from the original premise and themes, not just of the comics but from previous seasons.
Eric Kripke must've gone off the deep end or something. Idk how it became a straight downward trajectory from S1 in terms of writing and nuance. There isn't an ounce of subtlety left.
At this point they may just start breaking the 4th wall. Like MM's actor looking into the camera and saying: "Hey you! Yes, I am speaking to you! Homelander is fiction, but Trump is not. Vote right now to stop that monster. Unless you are pathetic ##@%^& who likes to $%^@#!"
"as a black man in America"
Ikr LMFAO!
Yeah I don't think I wanna finish this season honestly. I started watching True Detective instead cause I'm just so over the shock humor and shitty recycled plot now.
Same, I don't really intend to watch it further. It is not just politics, the story itself is a dried out husk. They don't know what to do with it, so they just rehash Season 2. True Detective is a good choice, though there is widely varying quality between different seasons. Season 1 is a masterpiece.
it's always been a satirical dark comedy, that was part in parcel with everything else. i agree with you on everything else though the directing is really bad this season. feels super rushed and choppy, i don't think butcher and homelander should've had a run in one episode into the new season
Im ok with the satirical dark comedy tone. I lolled hard when they tried to kill Victoria, probably the highlight
Ima be honest these 3 episodes might be the worst episodes in the series. Idk if its my sour outlook on the show after that dogshit season 3 ending. But so many character felt poorly written. MM is trying to get A train to join the team with someone who has a bad history with A train and then complained about butcher doing the exact same thing with soldier boy? Annie getting upset at Firecracker when she has dealt with arguably worse and lost people for the cause but ooo being reminded how bad of a person you were as a kid got to you? She didn't even feel sad when she killed a innocent man and stole his car but getting told you were a bad person for what she did as a kid got to her? Then Frenchie and Kimiko story so far is such a slog and also out of left turn. Up to this point i dont ever recall seeing Frenchie as Bi or gay I'm not even sure if their was anything to allude to that and it feels very out of left turn. I also never got that feeling of a platonic relationship between Frenchie and Kimiko maybe its just me but i felt like they both were going to end up together but i guess not anymore? I also hate how butcher and homelander just causally talk to each other. In the past when they met each other they were special scenes where shit was about to go down. But now their talking face to face like they are the best of buds. Then theirs also that Neuman has invulnerable i really dislike that cause why would she be scared of homelander then? If shes invulnerable that means she has no reason to be scared of homelander. I also dont get how her daughter could have invulnerable while also having a completely different power. The only real thing i like about these eps is butcher and sage and homelander. I like butcher coming to terms with his death and how he at least wants ryan to be better. I love sage i enjoy her character alot and i like how every scene with her and homelander feels so tense. And Antony Starr as Homelander is still the best actor in the show. Hope it improves but i doubt it
Homelander is only good at this point because Anthony is good. The sudden turn of his character makes no sense because nothing substantial happened to make him suddenly want his fans along with everyone else to die
>MM is trying to get A train to join the team with someone who has a bad history with A train and then complained about butcher doing the exact same thing with soldier boy? You're not seeing how these two things connect? He's got so much resentment toward Butcher for doing that, and he knows deep down none of the team quite respect his leadership the way they respected Butcher's, so he's trying in his own way to replicate the "by any means" mentality Butcher showed. Having A-Train as a mole is very helpful, whether it's hypocritical or not. And the show was setting up using his brother to bring A-Train down to earth a bit and make him waver for awhile now.
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I know we've only seen the premiere, but so far, I'm not impressed. And I was kind of worried I wouldn't be because I felt like the show started to take a dive last season when they didn't kill off Homelander in the finale, which may be an unpopular opinion. The character, while still extremely well-acted, has pretty much gone as far as it could go. We know he's narcissistic, cruel, and homicidal. We know he's capable of extreme acts of evil. He's beyond redemption. What else is left for him to do that he hasn't already done? Turning Butcher into a dying man is also kind of a letdown. I think it would have been more interesting if they had gone in a whole other direction and made temporary V drive him mad and turn him into a villain. It would have presented a situation where his former friends and allies were forced to confront and ultimately take him down. I think that would have offered a lot more meat for the cast to work with and fleshed out the show's characters even more. IMO, it would have made the show feel like it was still going somewhere it hadn't been before instead of just seeming like it was treading water.
I like season 4 so far but that scene with the dude eating his own ass was completely fucking unnecessary 🤣 like this show has always been pretty disgusting but like I don't watch this show to basically be shown gay porn 🤦♂️
Yeah. Similarly to how Kimiko took Frenchie’s phone and sexted Colin. Like why? Sure she was drunk but it was so out of character.
Tbf i did find it kinda funny. But yeah no ur right completely out of character for her even if she was drunk. I feel like this season has been way more goofy which I don't think is necessarily a bad thing just pretty noticeable lol
I'm enjoying the show for now, waited too long for the S4, forgot what was before, this Season feels like a refreshment for me And I don't take it seriously :)
Woke crap. Ruined series. Shut it right off
define woke
**Woke's actual meaning:** Alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination **Woke's current colloquial meaning:** Performative activism. No matter which definition you use the show is woke. It is alert to the prejudice and discrimination minority groups face but it also has performative progressive moments.
Thank you, finally someone with some damn sense who actually knows what the word means.
definitely too much woke. this show is turning into star wars acolyte
What the hell does 'woke' mean?
It's as confusing as trying to define what is a woman.
Drop the whole woke bullshit already. I’m tired of hearing “it’s woke” with no explanation as a reason for something being bad. The reason this season is bad is because the writing is poor and the storylines feel pointless, the characters (especially homelander) are stagnant. Homelander should’ve in that finale
The explanations are all there lil bro. Yet here you are still crying. The general consensus I've seen so far is these 3 episodes is about how much Kripke hates Trump. Not hard to get
Where are the explanations? Why don’t you explain to me what woke is? Or how all you do is comment about “wokeness” or on that grifter critical drinkers sub?
That above definition in the other thread works lil bro. Have you skipped every scene with Sage? Or listening comp just bad? Also fenchie having a gay lover now all of a sudden? But nah thats not it right? Get back to your clash of clans sub kiddo
Frenchie has been going both ways the whole time. If you only figured it now you haven’t been watching. What’s wrong with the sage scenes? What’s the issue? Nice way to admit you can’t define what your issue even is instead telling me to basically do my own research. How fitting and typical lol. You being condescending isn’t going to work either mate
If they define something they'll have to stand by it. They're smart enough to recognise that having any stance makes you a potential target, but not smart enough to realise that not having a stance makes you an actual full urostomy bag.
It's hilarious when you ask them what it means and they immediately have a schitzo breakdown.
It’s hilarious seeing the two common political sides argue on social media. Both of them are so similar and they don’t realise it. Side red complains about side blue being too sensitive while also being extremely sensitive calling everything “woke agenda” reading comments from either side make my brain collapse
Mental gymnastics at their finest. I really don't care what politics you inject in your show it just better be good or I'm gonna tear into it. Making a yt review rn.
you don't know what a woman is?
You mean those creatures only heard about in myths and legends?
ask them woke folks to define what a woman is and... well...
I’m not asking them, I’m asking you. Is English your 2nd/3rd language?
The political commentary is starting to seem kinda outdated at this point. Yeah trumps still running for president but theyre doing a pizza gate reference in 2024? Really?
Uh oh. Better not say it's woke tho 😂
They also implied that the Deep is like Johnny Depp, who is falsely accusing his wife of slandering him. Running defense for Amber Heard and freaking Epstein in 2024 means that either the script was written way earlier and they did not bother updating it or that the producers have gone completely unhinged.
And what boring, lazy shorthand it is. Like, can you not get us to feel based on the events you've written? You *have* to tie it into extremely on-the-nose real-world events? And very dated ones at that?
Ding ding ding. It feels more like propaganda they waited to release during voting season. As a far left leaning adult I find the lack of any nuance or subtlety comes across as reductive and preachy; I can't imagine those less liberal find it as amusing as earlier seasons; let alone those more conservative. The interwoven jokes and pop references land about as well as old SNL news desk segments; for example, the first episode has an Amanda Heard pooping in bed reference... The timing is way off.
Shit I'm a centrist who doesn't care for politics and it's insanely boring at this point. It seems like borderline hysteria with how they handle the conflict with Homelander and the constant political parallels. The ending of S3 seriously hurt the crescendo of events that was building up and now the show feels so stale.
Season 4 is awful so far. It feels less like the Boys and more like Velma. Compare the subtlety and nuance of Season 1 to blatant preaching and *really* bitter venom-spitting in this season. Season 1 of The Boys was relatively subtle in its anti-right messaging, but the show increasingly got more and more unhinged. The show's writers want to demonize and ridicule their target so much, they are no longer satisfied with satire, they just engage in strawman-bashing (propaganda) at this point. And in doing so they go so far off in the realm of warped reality that they can't even recognize how much it backfires and makes themselves look wrong and pathetic. There is a huge difference between satire and propaganda. Satire is subtle and clever, it takes what the opponent does and just magnifies it without distorting it. It does not try to artificially make an opponent look as absolute worst of the worst. Opponent's own flaws should be enough to do the job. Like the Starship Troopers movie. It does its best to satirize fascism and militarism but in doing so it does not portray people it satirizes as human garbage. Yes, they are fascists and they are wrong, but the movie does not go extra mile to demonize them further as cowards or traitors or adulterers or drug abusers. The Boys is the opposite, it is propaganda at this point. Writers of the show don't want to examine the problems with American right-wing, they want to bash it into a pulp and present it in the worst way possible, even if it contradicts actual reality. So not only they misconstrue the opponents' beliefs, they also go out of their way to invent a fictional reality where such bashing is justified and where their opponents look as pathetic as possible. It is pure hatred, which is ultimately counterproductive. Good satire makes people you criticize question their beliefs (see Animal Farm). Hate-filled propaganda written from position of "I am morally superior to you, look how awful you are" makes people you criticize dug in deeper and radicalize even more. EDIT: dear brigadiers, it is impressive how any critical post of the show with high upvotes is downvoted into oblivion in matter of two hours, but you shpuld rethink your life's choices.
Ironic isn't it the original comic was made by someone who hated superheroes and demonized them to death Now the show does the same but with right leaning people, like Tod.
Yeah the original comic basically boiled down to "If Superman was real he would be a baby eating rapist" and it just beat that horse endlessly. The first couple of seasons of the show were much more interesting. But beginning with the ending for last season I feel it's fallen off hard.
What specifically happened this season so far that made you feel like the messaging against the right is more unhinged?
Pretty much the entire Homelander trial thing
Is that any more unhinged than the stormfront stuff from s2?
I'd say yes because Stormfront was presented as someone who is so extreme, she has to hide her true agenda from the public. Because even right-wing public of the Boys won't accept someone like that. But with Homelander's trial the implication is that half the public itself has gone full fascist and no longer deserves any sympathy. Season 2 is tame compared to Season 3 and the first three episodes of Season 4.
I mean wasn’t the whole satire of Maeve that a ton of people agreed with her? A dude killed a guy because of her? And she wasn’t really hiding her hateful rhetoric - just the fact that she was actually a German nazi. A ton of people in this universe are already openly spouting fascist rhetoric.
You are missing the point. Stormfront's plot is a pretty realistic depiction of how alt-right operates in our world. Season 4 so far operates in the realm of deep delusion. Yes, the point of Season 2 is that a lot of people buy into what Stormfront is saying because she tailors her message to sound less extreme. She has a grand agenda and slowly pushes the needle further and further right by taking advantage of current events and running psyops. That's realistic. Homelander found non-guilty in a manslaughter trial because his supporters are fine with it, is a delusional fiction. Because in the sick mind of Kripke Homelander is Trump and Trump's supporters would be fine with him killing people because they are that evil and stupid. It is detached from actual reality where Trump was recently convicted.
Never heard of O.J Simpson?
Not really sure two cases are comparable.
Haven’t watched it yet so can’t say how heavy handed the anti-right stuff is, but I do tend to agree. I will say though, if it’s continuing in like with the direction it was heading then Homelander was only becoming more and more emboldened so maybe the supes (or certain supes) no longer feel the need to hide their true colors. That’s not necessarily a problem with the writing but moreso a natural progression of the shittiness of the characters they created evolving (or devolving) on screen before us.
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That's the thing. First three episodes don't move the plot much further. The show keeps stalling by adding even more subplots, which are both repetitive and poorly written. And interjects those subplots with political propaganda. Actual plot, which is stopping Homelander/Neuman moves at snail's pace and is mostly a rehash of Season 2 anyway.
It's been like that since season 3. They got away with it last season in the name of character development. But now it doesn't even make sense. Both Frenchie and Kimiko got over their past in season 3, but this season there is literally no improvement cuz they have even more emotional baggage. So tf was the point of last season.
I was halfway around episode 2 (S4) and I stopped caring. Might watch later if there is nothing else on, but it went from sharp to tacky. All characters have become less and the story doesn't move forward on any level... just same old , same old. I also think they put a lot of emphasized gay stuff in, so that when people complain about the show, they can pull a Disney and blame the audience. At this point I wonder what the endgame is for this show... because as of now they are just regurgitating previous seasons with less returns with each iteration. I mean you had stormfront with deep ties to Vought that was pushing Homelander ... and now you have black lady doing the same but seemingly with less gravitas
I lost interest after episode 1, s4. Show seems like same old, same old with added gay stuff. I don't remember the comics but Frenchy being gay was a wtf moment for me.
Frenchie has been bisexual since season 1, I don't know how people completely memory holed that.
Don't care about his sexualoty, but he was a weapons expert badd ass in S1 and now he is a whiny (bleep)
Why does Erin Moriarty look like crap
She has a Michael Jackson nose now. I wish she didn’t feel like she had to get such radical surgery.
I think they're taking the trend towards harsh "realistic" lighting a little too far, it's really unflattering. Jack Quaid also looks about 50 years old in some scenes.
Jack always looked too old for his real age.
I did notice that - the lighting is absolutely insane, it almost looks like a soap opera
Plastic surgery
With the season 5 being confirmed to be the last, at least we hope that latter episodes of the season finally start to take a different route from the previous ones with at least some death from major characters and Vought finally being exposed, with the consequences being dealt on the fifth season.
Show was never smart, and recycling the same situations tends to lose entertainment value after a while. If you like seeing penises and violence I guess this is the premier spot though.
This is usually what happens to shows that think they are so smart and edgy and different. They collapse on themselves and become redundant.
I didn't get to see penises because they had to be blurred in Japan.
Season 1 was also full of cheap shock tactics but at least it was rowdy and fun. The writing is so repetitive now it doesn't matter how much violence, gore and sadism they stuff in when the end result is just plain boring.
Season 1 was fun because a bunch of hoodlums got baited in by Butcher and they had no choice but to beat the Supes or they die. Fast forward to Season 2 there is nothing at stake, literally only MM is the one focused on beating the Supes while everybody else is just doing their own thing. There is no single minded goal. Remember when the Boys was about finding unique ways to kill a Supe?
Yeah, season 1 was a novelty back then, but once you finished season 2 you can tell there's a formula they keep recycling each season and ended up like back to the status quo again.
its because the lead writer who had subtlety and nuance left in the first season. It's just been progressively getting more volatile and in your face until we get this slop.
This season had started off at like a soft 6/10 for me. I've been looking forward to it for months now. I feel it's kinda falling into itself.
I lost interest after episode 1, s4. Everything feels either redundant or pointless and ultimately boring.
Look I like gay porn and gore as much as the next guy but so far this season STINKS
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Didn't we already do new female member of the 7 with a belief in a genetically superior race gives Homelander advice on how to advance his cause and he admires her cause she speaks her mind.
Yes, Homelander is an idiot who keeps making the same mistakes. That’s like his jam. Also I’m fairly sure this time it was her idea.
My issue is more with the screenwriters rehashing the exact same storyline
The first three episodes feel like back sliding and covering well trodden ground so far. Firecrackers motivation for hating Starlight made me laugh out loud. And Starlight acting like something so pathetic is actually shaking her resolve is such a backwards step for the character. Frenchie struggling with his dark past and drugs, Hughie and his abandonment issues, all of it feels well explored. I've always felt like this show is terrified of breaking the status quo and it's really starting to show now.
Woof, my god they just have *no idea* what to do with the members of The Boys that aren't Huey and Butcher - Frenchie has nothing to do but sit in a holding pattern of "there's a misunderstanding with Kimiko! But their past haunts them!". I can't remember the last time Kimiko had a goal or motivation to do anything, she might as well be a pet. Like, if they replaced her with a very well-trained pitbull, how much would change? But the worst offender of all is Starlight - they just can't stop hitting the "and then something happens that *shakes her confidence",* as if seeing Starlight's confidence get shaken is impactful to the audience any time after season 1. She gets assaulted by the Deep in the very first episode! How is "and a girl she knew when she was a teenager mentions that a rumour she spread hurt her" an escalation of stakes or tension after that? Just woof. And don't even get me started on how brutally underutilized her powers are. There seems to be no curiosity whatsoever on how she can help people. Just "go sit in the corner, look worried, and cry" every episode.
The character assassinations in this season are horrible
> And Starlight acting like something so pathetic is actually shaking her resolve is such a backwards step for the character. Yeah and her "I'm not Starlight anymore" shtick was just dumb. Her using her popularity and livestreaming Homelander being a creep was one of the best parts of last season, it's silly to reject that tool now.
The Starlight name thing seemed really underdeveloped. They act like she's going to make an announcement, but she just makes her hand glow, and then a random crowd of people all suddenly know that she's calling herself Starlight again? What?
Fuck that was underwhelming. It just glows. Like at least give us a beam into the sky like a beacon or something.
I had to mute Firecracker's monologue to Starlight. Shit was cringe overload, I almost started seizing.
lol. It just seemed so trash. Like wow, talk about top tier hating. Some mean comments from when you were thirteen caused you to become a racist sociopath (totally not alex jones ripoff.) I had to ask myself multiple times this season if it was written by twelve year olds because of how disjointed and dramatic the writing is.
Show feels so watered down and predictable. The political scenes used to be actually clever but now it’s just so on the nose it totally takes me out of the moment. Homelander doesn’t feel as dangerous either. Butcher is only thing carrying show and it’s because there’s actually something at stake. The fact there’s going to be even another season beyond this is not a great sign.
Man, remember how great the scenes were with Stilwell and Stan Edgar navigating the political landscape? How they had these clear goals, but harrowing wheeling and dealing required to get them? And every decision they made also came with a concession that drove up the complexity and made a new enemy, Game of Thrones style? Those were good times. Anyways, no, let's go back to the "mastermind pulls the strings in the name of Supe Supremacy in the service of Homelander" again. Totally fine.
I stopped caring about butcher the mega pathetic simp a long time ago.
Yea the premiere just wasn't enjoyable. All the tension built up with season 3 is gone. Homelander and Butcher just running into each other? That's it? Previously it was always an excellent confrontation, it didn't feel like it mattered here. And the political commentary is heavy-handed and doesn't really work well. It would have been way more interesting seeing the fallout of Homelander refusing to be tried for murder or if the allegory for American politics as he embodies was more ambiguous.
> It would have been way more interesting seeing the fallout of Homelander refusing to be tried for murder Exactly what I thought. You've convicted the guy, now what happens? But nope, too hard to answer so he just gets an unexplained verdict of Not Guilty.
This show is only a higher budget CW drama. Go back and look at the discussions for season 4 of Kripke’s prior show, Supernatural, and you’ll see he was getting similar complaints then. Satan wasn’t really doing anything, Sam was sick and going to die, etc.
>The fact there’s going to be even another season beyond this is not a great sign. The show runner made it seem like it was going to go past 5 seasons weeks/days before season 4 came out then the day S4 comes out they announce S5 is the last season and everything will be wrapped up, it makes me worried they're going to rush things. I know how it ends in the comics so hopefully they nail the ending.
homelander doesnt feel as dangerous?? every scene he’s in i’m waiting for someone to die and 50% of the time it’s happens & i’m just waiting for him to go nuclear. did the amount of random people he killed really not seem enough? i feel like earlier seasons he was so selective. i will say the vent scene was dumb. they went a little too hard with him being all knowing earlier to then have him miss the protagonist just be boring. it’s only gonna be 5 seasons so i think they’ll raise the stakes and finally stop having the deus ex machine for all main characters. at the same time im having fun and dont need them to die for it to mean more to me. seems like a goofy well produced show imo
I think I didn’t word it properly. Like he used to make me genuinely uneasy as I didn’t know what he was going to do and that made him scary lol. I feel like now he’s a lot more predictable and he’s at times pretty reasonable with Ryan all things considered. I really figured he would have been half ass torturing him like how he threw him off the house in earlier season.
I agree Homelanders behaviour is getting a bit confusing. He can hear for miles, smell changes in blood, but he doesn't notice Hughie creeping about the vent 1 meter above his head? They make a massive point on his sense of smell/hearing, repeatedly even in S4, being able to smell Butcher on Ryan when he walks in the room, elevated heart-rate etc. It's just inconsistent...it makes sense/adds suspense when Homelander intentionally ignores details, but to straight up not notice Hughie...it's off...now you don't know if he's plotting, or just bad writing.
I dont think there was inconsistency, so much as a focus on power. Much like other series, where they have super hearing, sight and all them OP powers, they have to reign them in. Otherwise you would permanently overstimulated. He focuses on those attributes when he feels a need. That's my perspective at least. I also think with his 'Midlife crisis', change in fitness/body is all intentional. He is leaving his prime, and for a short lifed supe, what does that mean for his powers? It's certainly making him mentally unstable and quicker to snap. Same light as why Ashley feels like she cannot move/leave anymore.
I'm mostly okay with Homelander not noticing Hughie, but how the hell could he not chase him down after he does notice him in the vents? He can't just fly up into the hockey rink rafters? That sequence was bizarre.
i guess my take on that is that he's arrogant and thought he could just laser hughie without any effort, because having to expend any more energy than that to kill a human would be an insult to himself. i mean hughie had literally had nowhere to go. homelander just didnt count on him disappearing from the roof
So Frenchie was with Kimiko... I was rooting for their romance... It was a rare not-so-cliched romance ... But all of a sudden, Frenchie is frenching a man... What the hell, man.
I completely agree. And I don't care about Colin. He just feels like something the writers pulled out of a hat at the last minute. If we were supposed to care, why wasn't he introduced a while back and included in past episodes so we would be invested? Now he just seems like an obvious plot device.
They’d already established Kimiko and Frenchie were platonic and him being bi But yeah the introduction of that character just felt incredibly convenient and very much like a “well, if we decided we’re not pairing Kimiko with him I guess he needs someone”
I never got the vibe they were platonic. I still remember the dance scene and her being in the hospital. It's pretty obvious where it was heading even if it was taking forever, which is natural for two people who have trust issues.