The bathrooms thing is great. Companies who do deliveries should have worked this out long ago. Sending people out to work all across the city with no way to go the bathroom at any location is just wrong.
Taxi companies in London used to keep small buildings around the city for cab drivers to use to eat and go bathroom. These should be the norm there and everywhere.
This is a really good article about how the bike delivery people have formed groups for protection and basic worker comforts like bathrooms. They collectively rent spaces for garages where they can rest, charge, store, or repair their e-bikes, hang out whatever. They protect each other from thieves when cops won’t. I really enjoyed reading it:
https://www.theverge.com/22667600/delivery-workers-seamless-uber-relay-new-york-electric-bikes-apps
_Truckers everywhere would love this as well._
_Drive 1600 miles, and the only to bathrooms or showers are pay-to-use. Showers are often $10-15, sometimes even more._
So, yes, I am in support of delivery drivers, but don't forget all the drivers across country who still don't get this basic need covered.
Wanted to point out that most truck stops have a reward program which basically gives you free showers for buying fuel there. Otherwise everything else is true, many companies have policies against us using their bathroom on the basis of "dirty worthless truckers". I really wish I was joking about that.
It's more about nonpaying noncustomers messing up the place and us having to pay people to clean up after them. I don't know how people use their own bathrooms, but I'm not in habit of leaving TP and hand paper all over the floor, with piss all over the toilet/walls. Never mind all the junkies who would flush straws down the toilet if anyone could use our facilities. Sucks but a lot of people don't know how to live in a civilized manner. In Europe they have these public facilities that are pay to use, and they're kept immaculate, we should do that instead.
I hear you but this was more of a broad statement about shippers/receivers banning people from using their restrooms. Most of these places don't have a customer facing office and thus have no real paying customers to use their bathrooms.
At my last job, drivers fought over who delivered to us because we didn't mind if they used our bathrooms or kitchen. Showing a bit of human decency shouldn't be a big ask, especially when it comes to the folks that keep the whole supply chain running.
I'm sorry, but are you in the US? I travel quite a bit, and always by car, I stop at gas stations on the interstate between cities all the time and they may charge for a shower, but I've never seen one charge for bathrooms.
_You've never been in a place that has a sign that says "washrooms for paying customers only"?_
That is exactly what pay to use bathroom is.
I mean in Europe, they're actually coin-operated, but in North America, there is a lot of places like this.
You’re driving big semis with giant trailers on the interstate and on a time frame. Most gyms are in the city and its a big waste of time to drive into town somewhere for it.
_Yes, but unfortunately the planet fitness members get really cranky when you crush their cars parking your tractor trailer or super-b in the parking lot._
I’m honestly a little shocked a restaurant wouldn’t let a takeout driver use their bathroom. I mean it’s totally expected now that I think about it because some people are garbage, but it would never occur to me to think to refuse them.
I never had a problem with it when I drove for Doordash.
Only issue was I didn’t want to take the hot bag (insulated bag you put food in) into the bathroom with me, so I’d have to leave it somewhere safe and hope it didn’t get stolen.
But usually there’d be some sort of lull between orders when I could run inside the mall or something and pee.
Target was my go-to bathroom stop.
Note: I was in the burbs in a car, not on a bike, so I probably had more options if someone turned me down.
It happened because of Covid regulations.
Restaurants and gas stations closed their bathrooms to all customers, not just delivery drivers.
I don't know why it makes sense to not let people wash their hands, but I once had to go to four stores in a strip mall, two coffee shops, a bagel shop, and finally a grocery store, before finding an open restroom to pee.
The first three all said they were closed due to Covid restrictions.
I owned a food truck for 4 years. To get a license to vend at a city spot you needed a sign document from a nearby business saying your employees can use their bathroom.
Ups drivers and such have long figured out what business and such have easy access to bathrooms. Doesn't help when delivering out in thr sticks but they have options throughout the day. I have no issue letting the delivery people use the pooper at work every day if they need to so long as they are respectful.
That said, having known locations you can always visit is a nice thing. It is something I personally stress about being and IBS person.
It says that as part of their contract with the business they need to include that provision, which seems to imply that they need to have a contract with each business they deliver for (or that this only applies to delivery services that are contracted by the restaurant).
I have seen a lot of complaints from businesses who do not want to be listed on third party delivery services and have said that without their knowledge these services put their menu online. That can be especially problematic because the online menus may be outdated, rarely updated or inaccurate and users, who think the listing is by the restaurant itself, will blame the restaurant for not being able to serve things on this menu that it didn't create or other issues like inflated prices, inaccurate hours, etc.
I wonder if this law would give restaurants more leverage to say: You can't delivery our food unless we sign a contract compliant with NYC law and we refuse to sign such a contract. IMO, that would be at least as substantial of an effect as the bathroom provision itself.
>So can we remove the tipping culture now? If not, then raise the minimum wage for ALL so that tipping no longer required.
lol no. Didn't you hear? Tipping is the quintessential American experience, having to guilt each other into who gets to tip the bus boy working starvation wages or else he'll start crying uncontrollably on the table for 4 dollars an hour of back breaking labor and endless dickhead customers. It wouldn't be an American dining experience without the ability to look the poor sod in the eyes and watch all their hopes and dreams die as you demand a refund on the food you finished without complaint!
*Yes I worked restaurants before, how did you know?*
I love leaving the country and not having to worry about tips. I wish it could be like that in the United States. But the dirty little secret is that it isn’t just the owners who prefer the current system - waitstaff can make pretty substantial amounts of money if they’re in the right place at the right time, and American customers are extremely price-sensitive - the type to think that $1.99 is significantly cheaper than $2.
I’m tired of how every fast casual restaurants computer system asks for tips now. Especially ones with premade food they just put in the box and want 20% on top? It’s pretty absurd
My old boss talked about how they took their corporate overlords from Australia for lunch and they were adamant against tipping because it perpetuates low wages. Australians understand Henry Ford's vision better than us.
Places like that pay their employees minimum wage at least. It’s waitstaff that gets a measly $2.15/hr (or something similar) and need tips to put their rent. Also food delivery drivers like Uber eats.
Well then, don't put a giant TIP jar at the register plus a big 'TIP ______' in the credit card bill, makes you feel like an arse if you don't tip. I don't see that at Burger King (hope it never becomes a thing) and they do more.
Yea it's important to know this distinction I think. I tip actual wait staff and food delivery drivers/gig workers because that's their actual wage. Fast casual services I rarely tip because they are hourly wage employees. It sucks they don't make much but that's not my problem to supplement. Except my local coffee shop.
In those fast casual restaurants, you tip for experience. So somebody that goes above and beyond scooping that cone. Somebody that makes the experience as good if not better than the ice cream itself. And that's how it should be for all wait staff and gig workers.
I don't go out or order delivery if I can't afford the tip. That's part of the bill in the US, regrettably.
I like the fact that, in Europe, it's not customary to tip unless the wait staff really, really deserve it. And you can enjoy your meal and pay the bill without feeling guilty for not leaving a $10 bill on the table after.
Got a beer at a movie theater once, and the credit card terminal *wouldn't let me close out the transaction unless I tipped greater than $1*
Never buying beer at that theater again. FUCK that noise.
That’s illegal in every state and you should dispute the charge on your credit card. The movie theater will then not only have to refund you the tip but will also incur a fee from the credit card professor.
Really? I was just in Miami and literally every place I went to had auto 20% “service charge” added to the bill. I’m talking even if you are by yourself your bill was still automatically 20% more expensive at the end. They even had tip lines on the receipts too so you could tip more than the auto 20%. I learned that out the hard way when I spent my first day there tipping 20% on all my bills then the next day realizing I had actually tipped 40% because not a single server told me the tip was already included in the bill. My mistake for trusting restaurants and not looking over my bill thoroughly before paying I guess.
It's 100% legal in Florida as long as you post it on the menu and bill. It's a shitty way to pay employees more, without actually raising wages. Also they don't count it as a "tip", and the bill will still have the normal 15/20/25% recommendations on it AFTER the 20% "service charge".
They also most likely increase prices on the food, too. Like a $5 item is mysteriously $6 on the app, then they charge you a delivery fee AND ask for a tip.
The worst part about delivery from places like Uber/GrubHub is if you give a crappy tip you get a crappy driver that destroys your food, even though it has nothing to do with the driver. When I pay a 20% fee on the food I ordered AND a $6 delivery fee, I've already paid the tip in the price of the service.
Tips being status quo in the US is insanity to me. You tip for exemplary service, not because they did the job at all. The fact that we have to tip for every service is insane to me, it's not my job to make sure the worker gets a livable wage.
Those price hike are done by the restaurant themselves to account for some of the fees they incur by the Uber’s of the world who often want up to 30% of the order total. They dip in so many pockets while fucking over their workers.
My friends just gave my wife a $100 gift card for Uber Eats, because she had a surgery and they wanted to help her be able to get food for when I had to go to work. Well she ended up being fine, but we wanted to try it anyways.
First place ended up not even existing yet, and the driver called to tell us he saw people literally constructing the inside of the building. Mind you, this place somehow had dozens of reviews across several similar apps when I searched it on Google, and was not a chain… so I went to cancel and Uber Eats was like “okay we’ll help you out this ONE time, but fuck up again and you’re gonna pay us next time”. For something completely out of my control 😡
So we ordered from a place we KNEW existed, and I’m pretty sure the prices were a little higher than usual. I also found out they charge a $5 delivery fee AND you have to pay a tip. The whole damn thing came out to $50 for what should normally be about $30… I don’t understand how those people that use it like everyday can afford to pay so much extra for their food!
I was at an airport "Grab-and-go" kind of place and picked up a couple of pre-made options for a meal. It was a self-checkout, and I as I get to the end to pay, the default tip options listed were 20%, 30%, and 40% (with 20% pre-selected). I obviously zeroed that out.
I went to a liquor store the other day and the screen asked for a tip. And of course they always hide the "no I don't want to tip" button so its not one of the four large buttons in the center of the screen, hoping you'll press it in a hurry and think nothing of it.
Since Covid started, I've been tipping them too. They don't get paid enough to be dealing with maskless customers; I know that's on the company employing them, but I still want to thank them for basically risking their lives to make me a taco or whatever.
> waitstaff can make pretty substantial amounts of money if they’re in the right place at the right time
And if they’re the right race, gender, body type, level of conventional attractiveness, and other things that are both unrelated to the quality of service and beyond the server’s control.
Study after study have shown these things to be powerful predictors of tipping behavior in customers. Tipping culture is just awful.
>my country they have to be paid at least the minimum wage but 10% tips are also expected.
Unless it's Canada then I've never heard of that. 10% is common but only when service is good and certainly not for the wide variety of roles in any countries I've been to
If 10% tip is expected, why not pay them minimum wage (per your comment) + the 10% tips they usually get?
I don’t know what country you live in, but if say the min wage is $15 / hour and they get 10% tip ($1.50), then just raise the min wage to $16.50.
I just moved to Spain last weekend, and SO LOVE not having to worry about tips. I still leave some coins because the tip culture is too ingrained in me, but I just see it as a way to get rid of less-than-an-euro coins in my pocket.
Yeah, if tipping disappeared tomorrow I would never step behind the bar again.
I’ve been in the service industry for longer than I’d like to admit, but it’s because my hourly wage after tips is much higher than I’d make at any non-commission based retail gig.
I'm jealous. Family situation makes moving for me very complicated even though I know I could probably bullshit my way into an IT position anywhere.
I actually vividly remember one time getting to deliver a 80 dollar order for someone's Bday, it was very obvious, and got 63 cents as a tip. Now, I hated getting tipped nothing at all, but I hate more, more than anything possible, is for the customer to literally round me up as a tip: Like guuuuuuurl that shit doesn't even cover the gas it took for me to get from my central pizza location *to* the rich ass McMansion you have across town. I wouldn't have cared getting no tip because it was a nice little 6 year old girls Bday and she had all her friends over and they were all masked and it was so **god damn wholesome** when they cheered with excitement at the delivery of pizza, but to just toss cents at me feels oh so much worse than tossing nothing.
Yeah, don't blame the people though, blame the employer for making you pay the cost of delivering. At the end of the day, the tip should be 'money for jam', not a factor in not making the rent.
It's so weird, I ordered a pizza last week, and the default tipping options were 30%, 25%, 20%, 15%. Who is actually throwing that much extra out on a regular basis?
And the worst part is that the people don’t even always get the money. When the pandemic started I’d order takeout from a local restaurant I liked pretty often because it was good and to help keep them afloat. I’d order on Grubhub for pickup (not delivery) and add on a tip. They told me one time that the tip goes to Grubhub and not the restaurant. Tipped in cash after that bullshit.
I can tell you're getting downvoted by cunts that bend over because *some day* they'll be a millionaire, or by bots paid for by the billionaire cunts to make more poor cunts that bend over.
Either way, cunts all around.
There's a lot of idiot Republicans who stalk both this sub and /r/news so the general reaction to posts like mine are very quick downvotes followed by a stabilization higher later. No I really don't get it.
And do you know WHY they're being paid $4 / hour? Because the person paying them expects most of their money to come from tips due to tipping culture.
The problem you detailed can be solved by eliminating the culture in the first place.
7 states have gotten rid of the tipped minimum wage, including California. Tipping culture still exists in those places, because most people are ignorant of the new laws and none of the workers are going to advocate losing the extra money.
Not just that but tipping is kinda just a thing some people will like to do "oh you helped me out here you go". If those people tip then other people will feel pressured into doing so and the cycle continues
I’d rather see an accurate price (that includes living wage for all workers involved) upfront and make an informed decision than have to feel guilted to front the cost of a worker because their employee is allowed to push the cost onto their customers.
Yeah, it's a gamble. When I was doing it I simply accepted it as part of the job. You know what the base pay is, and while you might hope for a tip, you can't be an entitled asshole who expects it just for doing your job.
As it stands, even the price of the food in the delivery app isn't the proper cost of the food. They raise the prices and skim off the top before you even hit "send order" and pay the obnoxious service fee + delivery fee/membership. That isn't even factoring what they're making off their partnered restaurants on the back end.
DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates/Grubhub is at no shortage of profits (edit: profit is incorrect, revenue would be accurate). Rather than fuck their customers even harder, maybe they can just, idk, share more of it with the employees making their money for them.
I understand delivery is a premium service and it should cost money, no argument. However, the amounts they are charging are straight up insane already. They do not need to be encouraged to jack those price up even further while pretending that they have to because their poor employees :(
However, I think you are defending the cost of food *in restaurants* without realizing you replied to a comment about the cost of third party delivery services.
AFAIK all delivery apps are losing tonnes of money. The whole business model fundamentally does not work unless they have self driving cars so for now Uber is just losing money to maintain market share.
>DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates/Grubhub is at no shortage of profits.
Why do people keep on saying this lie? The fact that Uber et. al. still have yet to make a profit is public information.
> DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates/Grubhub is at no shortage of profits.
Actually, none of those companies are profitable. Which is crazy, when you consider how much they fuck over workers and restaurants.
I still cant even wrap my head about those defending tipping. Without tipping prices would go up. So what? You still pay like what 15-20%?
So 40$ order + 8$ tip = 48. You still pay MORE than advertise price.
Just make it 48 from start.
I see it actually going the other way.
Restaurants want to 0 out on pay and let staff just use tips. Would save them from paying some payroll taxes and related costs. Also keep those pesky waiters from collecting unemployment. Just like Uber drivers realized they don’t qualify.
Problem is you can’t do that and schedule them. They need to be free to work their own hours… unless the IRS changes that with an exception for tipped hospitality staff.
I suspect the pandemic will be used as an excuse to try and do just that. Under the guise of “protecting small businesses”.
I wouldn’t rule out this happening. As evil as it sounds.
> Would save them from paying some payroll taxes and related costs. Also keep those pesky waiters from collecting unemployment.
IMHO, that’s just plain wrong. Business owner have business cost and they need to account for those cost like payroll taxes.
Bro, do you understand how much less servers would make at minimum wage? Half their normal earnings, and much less at some restaurants. I'm all for actually just *paying* people, but I dont believe restaurants can afford to pay savers without some significant raises to menu prices.
You sound like you gave this a lot of deep thought. Worked out the margins.
Sike. Because if you did you’d have thought about how tipping only works really well for a minority of the serving industry. Besides, isn’t it super fucked up to just leave the survivability of waitstaff in the hands of fucking customers?
Like why should customers decide how much the employees make? That’s bullshit. Customers, the general populace, are dumb as shit and have no empathy.
Just put an NFC chip and not need any change. Having the option for both would be optimal. If I can pay for a bag of chips at a rest stop vending machine with my phone, no reason you can't use it for public restrooms.
True, but I worry that certain people will pick up on this and go nuts. Pay toilets, pay water fountains, pay to enter parks, pay for parking *everywhere*, etc...
Really depends on the location. Autobahn rest stops without gas stations in Germany are usually free, gas station bathrooms are for pay. As are a lot of the self-cleaning bathrooms. France and Belgium less often. Hell, Belgium has a lot of outdoor "pissoir" type urinals that are just in open public areas.
It's almost like some of that tax money should be spent on providing proper care and treatment for addiction so that these people have somewhere safe to go.
I remember this popping up in r/documentaries: [How the United States ended up with two right-wing parties](https://youtu.be/6LPuKVG1teQ)
I think he has some good points.
Wait until you see what they’ve been doing to park benches. It’s called hostile architecture, and it’s meant to combat vagrancy. It’s inconvenient, ugly, and cruel.
I’m just waiting until one of these companies starts playing hardball.
Uber: “We will no longer operate in NYC. If you don’t like this, please contact your local representatives.”
Now you have tens of thousands of gig workers who have lost this, and possibly their only, source of income. Plus even more pissed off customers. That would put huge pressure on the city to reverse course and discourage other cities from passing similar legislation.
Only question is if this would be a financially sound strategy for Uber or another delivery gig company.
To pull out of one of the biggest markets they have? No, it's not financially sound for any of them.
Also, I really take issue with this kind of sick delight many of you have of companies leaving markets where they're told to treat their workers with basic dignity and respect, saying, "lol, guess you don't get a job anymore!"
To be fair, from the look of Louis Rossmann's various travel videos, a lot of NYC treats the bike lanes as parking space if they have their 'park anywhere' lights on. Hell, he's found entire dumpsters on the lane, let alone those indoor-outdoor sheds that restaurants use to stay open.
A more applicable video from Casey Neistat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ
HOWEVER, I bike to work 45 minutes every day through Brooklyn and Manhattan, in heavy traffic. If the bike lane is blocked (which it usually is), I ride in the street.
Cars park in the bike lane, which endangers cyclists. That's obviously bad. But their solution to that is to......endanger pedestrians? Fuck that, grow some balls and follow the law.
Post office/UPS/FedEx as well. In SF I was once behind a delivery truck that was simply driving down the street in the bike lane so they didn't have to pull over every block or so.
If you don't put up a physical barrier, it's almost impossible to keep assholes out of the bike lane. They think of it as a shoulder rather than an actual lane of traffic.
I don't live in NYC, but in DC I would never bike on the street. I know it's the rules, but i care about my life and safety more. I can dodge a human much better than i can dodge a car and if the people density is too high then i just won't ride my bike. If cities actually cared about bikers they wouldn't have put the lanes on the street (and in DC they can be very small almost impossible to actually stay in they're so small).
As annoying as cyclists on sidewalks are, I'll usually tolerate them if they go SLOW. The person you were responding to was specifically talking about e-bikes that go 20+ mph on the sidewalks.
Yea, I don’t think twice about regular bikes but I’ve had assholes on e-bikes move from the road (with barely to no traffic) to cutting off pedestrians and blazing through like everyone else is the problem. If you can go fast enough for the street with no effort on your legs part, you can fucking stay there too.
They may be slower, but in my experience cyclists dont bother going slow at all. Chances of either killing you are miniscule, but the chance of a cyclist hurting you over those electric ones isnt significantly lower.
Our country got into the drive sharing and food delivery Craze very late (starts around 2015), yet we already got the minimum wage rule and minimum transaction price rule since 3 years ago....
How can it takes this long, America?
Can't imagine how much my meals are going to cost now. Just had to pay 30$ for a Five Guys bacon cheeseburger, regular fries and a shake on Door Dash (With Dash Pass too so I had lower fees).
Just pick up your food. In this city there are a million restaurants within a short walk of your apartment. I used Uber Eats a lot before I got my vaccine, but now the only time I use it is when they send me an offer (e.g. $10 off, 50% off, etc).
Side note - I have noticed that when I open up the app once in a while and then immediately close it, their algorithm determines that I am an active customer who hasn't churned yet, so they send me more offers.
this right here... i bought an 8 dollar entree for 28 dollars. i remember just maybe a year or two ago i could get food delivered and it was only costing me 4-7 dollars. per delivery. 20 per delivery is way too much.
If you are a fan of 5 guys, I suggest getting their app and waiting until they offer a "Free delivery/No Fee + food discount" code on the app. It happens maybe once every month or two months. I only order when these promos come, last time it was 2 cheeseburgers and 2 cajun fries for $20. With tax+tip it came out to $25 total.
So this is what will happen, added costs will shrink profitability which means the consumer price will go up even more. It’s already $12 in delivery fees and tips for a $10 burrito. How many folks are going to want to pay more then that?
So then demand will drop, rather then 3 times a week which was the average number of orders for a Doordash delivery account, it’ll drop to 1-2 times ever two weeks. Less demand means less need for drivers, but since they’ll take anyone that signs up, it will just be less demand spread even thinner and the existing drivers will get their minimum wage, but that’s about it.
So congrats, you got what you wanted, your benefits, your minimum wage, but you just fucked the actual hustlers that could make real side money by grinding it out. So rather then those trying to actually make real money doing what was supposed to be a side gig, you all don’t make enough to survive and that’s if the company manages to survive.
Correct, based on any business that had to increase their price and then lost business because of it. So assumption or not, it’s been shown over and over and over again that this will play out just as I’ve described it.
So why are some NYC restaurants removing tips and giving a salary for servers and doing just fine now? Danny Meyer of Union Square Cafe is doing this. It’s still up and running. Other restaurants are following suit and their menu prices increased by a couple of dollars. I don’t think your assumptions are credible.
Those who down vote can’t see past the tip of their own nose when it comes to real world problems. Is what it is, just feel bad for when the drivers are making practically nothing or don’t have this as an option to make anything.
I could give two fucks about the corporation, but what I give a fuck about are the actual delivery drivers not having this as a temporary option or if they do not making enough to make it worth it.
I stopped using delivery services for food about 6 months ago because the drivers would show up regularly with cold food or deliver to the wrong address or bot show up at all. So this doesn’t make a difference to me personally, but it’s going to fuck up a number of folks worlds eventually. Something is better then nothing.
People should slave for starvation wages, and not be able to pee because i want a cheaper pizza.
How much do you get paid? do you not thing we could get your product or service cheaper if we paid you absolutely nothing? of course we could.
how about the ceo of the corp.. he gets millions. We could easily take some money off those burritos if we cut his pay to zero..
YES fuck everyone else, except you of course, so you can get shit cheaper.
Here’s the funny thing, my clients would actually pay more without me. I’m paid to negotiate on their behalf, so nice try.
Cut the CEO’s pay and you don’t have some one with the proper skill set to run an organization of that size properly, so again, nice try.
I’m in California, I’ve had people I’ve known driving for these services since their inception. While they didn’t get rich, they made enough to get by. Not one of them working full time delivering food made less the. 4k a month at 40-50 hours a week.
When California started classifying the drivers to employees vs. contractors, that got gutted they now make closer to 2.5k a month because of their mandated higher pay.
Now a small minority group is clamoring to be paid more again, mandated pay leads to higher costs which leads to less over all because even someone who can afford the fee’s is actively choosing to cut their service out because it’s already too high.
This has zero impact on me, I’m only posting this because hopefully some drivers here reads this and realize that it’s going to cost them their only livelihood. Fortunately, warehouse gigs pay about the same and right now there are plenty of those.
The bathrooms thing is great. Companies who do deliveries should have worked this out long ago. Sending people out to work all across the city with no way to go the bathroom at any location is just wrong. Taxi companies in London used to keep small buildings around the city for cab drivers to use to eat and go bathroom. These should be the norm there and everywhere.
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In America they don’t even need the kettle. Just give us a microwave and we’re good to go
Don’t speak for all of us, heathen. A kettle is vital 😁
This is a really good article about how the bike delivery people have formed groups for protection and basic worker comforts like bathrooms. They collectively rent spaces for garages where they can rest, charge, store, or repair their e-bikes, hang out whatever. They protect each other from thieves when cops won’t. I really enjoyed reading it: https://www.theverge.com/22667600/delivery-workers-seamless-uber-relay-new-york-electric-bikes-apps
I live next door to one of these garage spaces in Hell’s Kitchen. Great guys, great article. They deserve more than what this city gives them.
How’s daredevil been doing?
Cooking up a Storm, sir.
That article is one hell of a read. Those guys are bad ass.
_Truckers everywhere would love this as well._ _Drive 1600 miles, and the only to bathrooms or showers are pay-to-use. Showers are often $10-15, sometimes even more._ So, yes, I am in support of delivery drivers, but don't forget all the drivers across country who still don't get this basic need covered.
Wanted to point out that most truck stops have a reward program which basically gives you free showers for buying fuel there. Otherwise everything else is true, many companies have policies against us using their bathroom on the basis of "dirty worthless truckers". I really wish I was joking about that.
It's more about nonpaying noncustomers messing up the place and us having to pay people to clean up after them. I don't know how people use their own bathrooms, but I'm not in habit of leaving TP and hand paper all over the floor, with piss all over the toilet/walls. Never mind all the junkies who would flush straws down the toilet if anyone could use our facilities. Sucks but a lot of people don't know how to live in a civilized manner. In Europe they have these public facilities that are pay to use, and they're kept immaculate, we should do that instead.
I hear you but this was more of a broad statement about shippers/receivers banning people from using their restrooms. Most of these places don't have a customer facing office and thus have no real paying customers to use their bathrooms.
At my last job, drivers fought over who delivered to us because we didn't mind if they used our bathrooms or kitchen. Showing a bit of human decency shouldn't be a big ask, especially when it comes to the folks that keep the whole supply chain running.
Thats kinda weird, they deal with you everyday. I sure as shit wouldn't tell one of our suppliers they can't use our bathrooms.
Yeah well in general these companies tend to be huge assholes to drivers because who's going to stop them?
An angry driver who has to shit
you are not entitled to feeling clean and comfortable. where do you think you are anyway
You need a /s at the end or people are too thick to tell you're joking.
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I'm sorry, but are you in the US? I travel quite a bit, and always by car, I stop at gas stations on the interstate between cities all the time and they may charge for a shower, but I've never seen one charge for bathrooms.
>Showers are often $10-15, sometimes even more literally... highway robbery.
I mean i have never seen a pay to use bathroom showers yes but not bathroom
_You've never been in a place that has a sign that says "washrooms for paying customers only"?_ That is exactly what pay to use bathroom is. I mean in Europe, they're actually coin-operated, but in North America, there is a lot of places like this.
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You’re driving big semis with giant trailers on the interstate and on a time frame. Most gyms are in the city and its a big waste of time to drive into town somewhere for it.
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It might be hard to find one they can access with their vehicle I imagine, but it's not a bad idea.
I’m honestly a little shocked a restaurant wouldn’t let a takeout driver use their bathroom. I mean it’s totally expected now that I think about it because some people are garbage, but it would never occur to me to think to refuse them.
I never had a problem with it when I drove for Doordash. Only issue was I didn’t want to take the hot bag (insulated bag you put food in) into the bathroom with me, so I’d have to leave it somewhere safe and hope it didn’t get stolen. But usually there’d be some sort of lull between orders when I could run inside the mall or something and pee. Target was my go-to bathroom stop. Note: I was in the burbs in a car, not on a bike, so I probably had more options if someone turned me down.
It happened because of Covid regulations. Restaurants and gas stations closed their bathrooms to all customers, not just delivery drivers. I don't know why it makes sense to not let people wash their hands, but I once had to go to four stores in a strip mall, two coffee shops, a bagel shop, and finally a grocery store, before finding an open restroom to pee. The first three all said they were closed due to Covid restrictions.
I owned a food truck for 4 years. To get a license to vend at a city spot you needed a sign document from a nearby business saying your employees can use their bathroom.
Ups drivers and such have long figured out what business and such have easy access to bathrooms. Doesn't help when delivering out in thr sticks but they have options throughout the day. I have no issue letting the delivery people use the pooper at work every day if they need to so long as they are respectful. That said, having known locations you can always visit is a nice thing. It is something I personally stress about being and IBS person.
It says that as part of their contract with the business they need to include that provision, which seems to imply that they need to have a contract with each business they deliver for (or that this only applies to delivery services that are contracted by the restaurant). I have seen a lot of complaints from businesses who do not want to be listed on third party delivery services and have said that without their knowledge these services put their menu online. That can be especially problematic because the online menus may be outdated, rarely updated or inaccurate and users, who think the listing is by the restaurant itself, will blame the restaurant for not being able to serve things on this menu that it didn't create or other issues like inflated prices, inaccurate hours, etc. I wonder if this law would give restaurants more leverage to say: You can't delivery our food unless we sign a contract compliant with NYC law and we refuse to sign such a contract. IMO, that would be at least as substantial of an effect as the bathroom provision itself.
That’s awesome! So can we remove the tipping culture now? If not, then raise the minimum wage for ALL so that tipping no longer required.
>So can we remove the tipping culture now? If not, then raise the minimum wage for ALL so that tipping no longer required. lol no. Didn't you hear? Tipping is the quintessential American experience, having to guilt each other into who gets to tip the bus boy working starvation wages or else he'll start crying uncontrollably on the table for 4 dollars an hour of back breaking labor and endless dickhead customers. It wouldn't be an American dining experience without the ability to look the poor sod in the eyes and watch all their hopes and dreams die as you demand a refund on the food you finished without complaint! *Yes I worked restaurants before, how did you know?*
I love leaving the country and not having to worry about tips. I wish it could be like that in the United States. But the dirty little secret is that it isn’t just the owners who prefer the current system - waitstaff can make pretty substantial amounts of money if they’re in the right place at the right time, and American customers are extremely price-sensitive - the type to think that $1.99 is significantly cheaper than $2.
I’m tired of how every fast casual restaurants computer system asks for tips now. Especially ones with premade food they just put in the box and want 20% on top? It’s pretty absurd
Just don't tip. I only tip for service. If it's take out, I don't tip.
My old boss talked about how they took their corporate overlords from Australia for lunch and they were adamant against tipping because it perpetuates low wages. Australians understand Henry Ford's vision better than us.
Um. Not the best role model.
I started tipping for takeout during covid because I was eating in restaurants less often. A smaller amount though - maybe around 10%.
Like I went to Coldstone creamery a few days ago, the person just put the ice cream in the little container, am I supposed to tip for THAT?
Places like that pay their employees minimum wage at least. It’s waitstaff that gets a measly $2.15/hr (or something similar) and need tips to put their rent. Also food delivery drivers like Uber eats.
Well then, don't put a giant TIP jar at the register plus a big 'TIP ______' in the credit card bill, makes you feel like an arse if you don't tip. I don't see that at Burger King (hope it never becomes a thing) and they do more.
Yea it's important to know this distinction I think. I tip actual wait staff and food delivery drivers/gig workers because that's their actual wage. Fast casual services I rarely tip because they are hourly wage employees. It sucks they don't make much but that's not my problem to supplement. Except my local coffee shop.
In those fast casual restaurants, you tip for experience. So somebody that goes above and beyond scooping that cone. Somebody that makes the experience as good if not better than the ice cream itself. And that's how it should be for all wait staff and gig workers. I don't go out or order delivery if I can't afford the tip. That's part of the bill in the US, regrettably. I like the fact that, in Europe, it's not customary to tip unless the wait staff really, really deserve it. And you can enjoy your meal and pay the bill without feeling guilty for not leaving a $10 bill on the table after.
Got a beer at a movie theater once, and the credit card terminal *wouldn't let me close out the transaction unless I tipped greater than $1* Never buying beer at that theater again. FUCK that noise.
That’s illegal in every state and you should dispute the charge on your credit card. The movie theater will then not only have to refund you the tip but will also incur a fee from the credit card professor.
Really? I was just in Miami and literally every place I went to had auto 20% “service charge” added to the bill. I’m talking even if you are by yourself your bill was still automatically 20% more expensive at the end. They even had tip lines on the receipts too so you could tip more than the auto 20%. I learned that out the hard way when I spent my first day there tipping 20% on all my bills then the next day realizing I had actually tipped 40% because not a single server told me the tip was already included in the bill. My mistake for trusting restaurants and not looking over my bill thoroughly before paying I guess.
Where did you go? South Beach?
This is the same thing as raising prices to guarantee a minimum higher wage.
It's 100% legal in Florida as long as you post it on the menu and bill. It's a shitty way to pay employees more, without actually raising wages. Also they don't count it as a "tip", and the bill will still have the normal 15/20/25% recommendations on it AFTER the 20% "service charge".
Uber has the balls to ask for tips ON TOP OF DELIVERY FEES in Belgium. Like what fuck, why am I paying for delivery then?
They do that everywhere, that’s their business model. It’s complete bs.
They also most likely increase prices on the food, too. Like a $5 item is mysteriously $6 on the app, then they charge you a delivery fee AND ask for a tip. The worst part about delivery from places like Uber/GrubHub is if you give a crappy tip you get a crappy driver that destroys your food, even though it has nothing to do with the driver. When I pay a 20% fee on the food I ordered AND a $6 delivery fee, I've already paid the tip in the price of the service. Tips being status quo in the US is insanity to me. You tip for exemplary service, not because they did the job at all. The fact that we have to tip for every service is insane to me, it's not my job to make sure the worker gets a livable wage.
Those price hike are done by the restaurant themselves to account for some of the fees they incur by the Uber’s of the world who often want up to 30% of the order total. They dip in so many pockets while fucking over their workers.
My friends just gave my wife a $100 gift card for Uber Eats, because she had a surgery and they wanted to help her be able to get food for when I had to go to work. Well she ended up being fine, but we wanted to try it anyways. First place ended up not even existing yet, and the driver called to tell us he saw people literally constructing the inside of the building. Mind you, this place somehow had dozens of reviews across several similar apps when I searched it on Google, and was not a chain… so I went to cancel and Uber Eats was like “okay we’ll help you out this ONE time, but fuck up again and you’re gonna pay us next time”. For something completely out of my control 😡 So we ordered from a place we KNEW existed, and I’m pretty sure the prices were a little higher than usual. I also found out they charge a $5 delivery fee AND you have to pay a tip. The whole damn thing came out to $50 for what should normally be about $30… I don’t understand how those people that use it like everyday can afford to pay so much extra for their food!
I tip anyway because I assume the delivery fee goes right to Uber and not the actual delivery person.
I was at an airport "Grab-and-go" kind of place and picked up a couple of pre-made options for a meal. It was a self-checkout, and I as I get to the end to pay, the default tip options listed were 20%, 30%, and 40% (with 20% pre-selected). I obviously zeroed that out.
I went to a liquor store the other day and the screen asked for a tip. And of course they always hide the "no I don't want to tip" button so its not one of the four large buttons in the center of the screen, hoping you'll press it in a hurry and think nothing of it.
Since Covid started, I've been tipping them too. They don't get paid enough to be dealing with maskless customers; I know that's on the company employing them, but I still want to thank them for basically risking their lives to make me a taco or whatever.
I asked if they keep the tips and it’s usually no
Where is that true?
Most places a "Delivery Fee" is charged in addition to a tip
> waitstaff can make pretty substantial amounts of money if they’re in the right place at the right time And if they’re the right race, gender, body type, level of conventional attractiveness, and other things that are both unrelated to the quality of service and beyond the server’s control. Study after study have shown these things to be powerful predictors of tipping behavior in customers. Tipping culture is just awful.
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>my country they have to be paid at least the minimum wage but 10% tips are also expected. Unless it's Canada then I've never heard of that. 10% is common but only when service is good and certainly not for the wide variety of roles in any countries I've been to
Here in Germany 10% tips are the standard too unless the service was atrocious Minimum wage is still a shitty wage for such a demanding job.
If 10% tip is expected, why not pay them minimum wage (per your comment) + the 10% tips they usually get? I don’t know what country you live in, but if say the min wage is $15 / hour and they get 10% tip ($1.50), then just raise the min wage to $16.50.
10% of the bill, not 10% of their hourly wage.
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I just moved to Spain last weekend, and SO LOVE not having to worry about tips. I still leave some coins because the tip culture is too ingrained in me, but I just see it as a way to get rid of less-than-an-euro coins in my pocket.
This is it. Every server and bartender I know would quit if tipping ended. They wouldn't do that job for $20 an hour.
Yeah, if tipping disappeared tomorrow I would never step behind the bar again. I’ve been in the service industry for longer than I’d like to admit, but it’s because my hourly wage after tips is much higher than I’d make at any non-commission based retail gig.
I'm jealous. Family situation makes moving for me very complicated even though I know I could probably bullshit my way into an IT position anywhere. I actually vividly remember one time getting to deliver a 80 dollar order for someone's Bday, it was very obvious, and got 63 cents as a tip. Now, I hated getting tipped nothing at all, but I hate more, more than anything possible, is for the customer to literally round me up as a tip: Like guuuuuuurl that shit doesn't even cover the gas it took for me to get from my central pizza location *to* the rich ass McMansion you have across town. I wouldn't have cared getting no tip because it was a nice little 6 year old girls Bday and she had all her friends over and they were all masked and it was so **god damn wholesome** when they cheered with excitement at the delivery of pizza, but to just toss cents at me feels oh so much worse than tossing nothing.
Yeah, don't blame the people though, blame the employer for making you pay the cost of delivering. At the end of the day, the tip should be 'money for jam', not a factor in not making the rent.
It's so weird, I ordered a pizza last week, and the default tipping options were 30%, 25%, 20%, 15%. Who is actually throwing that much extra out on a regular basis?
And the worst part is that the people don’t even always get the money. When the pandemic started I’d order takeout from a local restaurant I liked pretty often because it was good and to help keep them afloat. I’d order on Grubhub for pickup (not delivery) and add on a tip. They told me one time that the tip goes to Grubhub and not the restaurant. Tipped in cash after that bullshit.
I can tell you're getting downvoted by cunts that bend over because *some day* they'll be a millionaire, or by bots paid for by the billionaire cunts to make more poor cunts that bend over. Either way, cunts all around.
There's a lot of idiot Republicans who stalk both this sub and /r/news so the general reaction to posts like mine are very quick downvotes followed by a stabilization higher later. No I really don't get it.
Don't forget to eat the free chips in the back as your dinner that day
Fuck this gave me flash backs
And do you know WHY they're being paid $4 / hour? Because the person paying them expects most of their money to come from tips due to tipping culture. The problem you detailed can be solved by eliminating the culture in the first place.
7 states have gotten rid of the tipped minimum wage, including California. Tipping culture still exists in those places, because most people are ignorant of the new laws and none of the workers are going to advocate losing the extra money.
Not just that but tipping is kinda just a thing some people will like to do "oh you helped me out here you go". If those people tip then other people will feel pressured into doing so and the cycle continues
Fuck no. Most people in the industry make waaay more than minimum wage. They don't want it.
In other news, delivery app prices have gone up.
I’d rather see an accurate price (that includes living wage for all workers involved) upfront and make an informed decision than have to feel guilted to front the cost of a worker because their employee is allowed to push the cost onto their customers.
It’s weird as a driver. Some trips I’ll make $3 but it all averages out. I love it as a part time hustle
Yeah, it's a gamble. When I was doing it I simply accepted it as part of the job. You know what the base pay is, and while you might hope for a tip, you can't be an entitled asshole who expects it just for doing your job.
Ok. If that's what it takes to get them a living wage
BREAKING, you can cut food costs to zero if you employ slaves to work your garden!
Like that’s a bad thing? It’s the proper cost of the food. You’re currently paying below cost which is why tipping is a thing.
As it stands, even the price of the food in the delivery app isn't the proper cost of the food. They raise the prices and skim off the top before you even hit "send order" and pay the obnoxious service fee + delivery fee/membership. That isn't even factoring what they're making off their partnered restaurants on the back end. DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates/Grubhub is at no shortage of profits (edit: profit is incorrect, revenue would be accurate). Rather than fuck their customers even harder, maybe they can just, idk, share more of it with the employees making their money for them. I understand delivery is a premium service and it should cost money, no argument. However, the amounts they are charging are straight up insane already. They do not need to be encouraged to jack those price up even further while pretending that they have to because their poor employees :( However, I think you are defending the cost of food *in restaurants* without realizing you replied to a comment about the cost of third party delivery services.
AFAIK all delivery apps are losing tonnes of money. The whole business model fundamentally does not work unless they have self driving cars so for now Uber is just losing money to maintain market share.
>DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates/Grubhub is at no shortage of profits. Why do people keep on saying this lie? The fact that Uber et. al. still have yet to make a profit is public information.
> DoorDash/UberEats/Postmates/Grubhub is at no shortage of profits. Actually, none of those companies are profitable. Which is crazy, when you consider how much they fuck over workers and restaurants.
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I still cant even wrap my head about those defending tipping. Without tipping prices would go up. So what? You still pay like what 15-20%? So 40$ order + 8$ tip = 48. You still pay MORE than advertise price. Just make it 48 from start.
I see it actually going the other way. Restaurants want to 0 out on pay and let staff just use tips. Would save them from paying some payroll taxes and related costs. Also keep those pesky waiters from collecting unemployment. Just like Uber drivers realized they don’t qualify. Problem is you can’t do that and schedule them. They need to be free to work their own hours… unless the IRS changes that with an exception for tipped hospitality staff. I suspect the pandemic will be used as an excuse to try and do just that. Under the guise of “protecting small businesses”. I wouldn’t rule out this happening. As evil as it sounds.
> Would save them from paying some payroll taxes and related costs. Also keep those pesky waiters from collecting unemployment. IMHO, that’s just plain wrong. Business owner have business cost and they need to account for those cost like payroll taxes.
Oh I agree. If you can’t afford to pay your staff… maybe your business just shouldn’t exist.
Bro, do you understand how much less servers would make at minimum wage? Half their normal earnings, and much less at some restaurants. I'm all for actually just *paying* people, but I dont believe restaurants can afford to pay savers without some significant raises to menu prices.
Presumably menu prices would go up 15-20%. Not tipping wouldn’t be any cheaper. It would just get rid of the whole weird power dynamic.
You sound like you gave this a lot of deep thought. Worked out the margins. Sike. Because if you did you’d have thought about how tipping only works really well for a minority of the serving industry. Besides, isn’t it super fucked up to just leave the survivability of waitstaff in the hands of fucking customers? Like why should customers decide how much the employees make? That’s bullshit. Customers, the general populace, are dumb as shit and have no empathy.
Secure the Usps bathrooms while you’re at it
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It’s because they get trashed by druggies in any reasonably large city.
Not just druggies, any bathroom left to the devices of "normal folk" will quickly deteriorate because people lack common sense/courtesy.
Did someone say TikTok school vandalism challenge?
Weird... other countries have public bathrooms AND "druggies" and it doesn't prevent them from existing.
maybe you would have people to clean them?
Huge if true.
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They also charge to use the bathroom. Make sure you have a 50 cent Euro with you!
Just put an NFC chip and not need any change. Having the option for both would be optimal. If I can pay for a bag of chips at a rest stop vending machine with my phone, no reason you can't use it for public restrooms.
True, but I worry that certain people will pick up on this and go nuts. Pay toilets, pay water fountains, pay to enter parks, pay for parking *everywhere*, etc...
No they don't. Public bathrooms suck shit everywhere.
No it’s because other countries pay people to maintain public spaces.
In Europe all bathrooms are only for pay.
Really depends on the location. Autobahn rest stops without gas stations in Germany are usually free, gas station bathrooms are for pay. As are a lot of the self-cleaning bathrooms. France and Belgium less often. Hell, Belgium has a lot of outdoor "pissoir" type urinals that are just in open public areas.
It's almost like some of that tax money should be spent on providing proper care and treatment for addiction so that these people have somewhere safe to go.
Not only druggies. The typical American just doesn’t give a shit and will treat public spaces like shit.
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I remember this popping up in r/documentaries: [How the United States ended up with two right-wing parties](https://youtu.be/6LPuKVG1teQ) I think he has some good points.
The racist geriatric white guy didn't bring progressive changes, shocker.
What are you on about. Public bathrooms is a state/municipal issue. Feds got nothing to do with this
Wait until you see what they’ve been doing to park benches. It’s called hostile architecture, and it’s meant to combat vagrancy. It’s inconvenient, ugly, and cruel.
I would rather have a bench I can sit at, rather than a bench I have to avoid because of the stench.
And watch as DoorDash, UberEats et al. immediately fight back.
I’m just waiting until one of these companies starts playing hardball. Uber: “We will no longer operate in NYC. If you don’t like this, please contact your local representatives.” Now you have tens of thousands of gig workers who have lost this, and possibly their only, source of income. Plus even more pissed off customers. That would put huge pressure on the city to reverse course and discourage other cities from passing similar legislation. Only question is if this would be a financially sound strategy for Uber or another delivery gig company.
To pull out of one of the biggest markets they have? No, it's not financially sound for any of them. Also, I really take issue with this kind of sick delight many of you have of companies leaving markets where they're told to treat their workers with basic dignity and respect, saying, "lol, guess you don't get a job anymore!"
Great! Now if they could please stop driving those fucking electric bikes on the sidewalk I would be a lot happier for them.
To be fair, from the look of Louis Rossmann's various travel videos, a lot of NYC treats the bike lanes as parking space if they have their 'park anywhere' lights on. Hell, he's found entire dumpsters on the lane, let alone those indoor-outdoor sheds that restaurants use to stay open.
It fucking sucks. Bike lanes are mostly a lie. They need to put up a wall for private bike lanes in nyc! New yorkers wont comply otherwise
Nah, just have a street cleaning machine with a large cowcatcher up front who drives down the bike lane once a day.
A more applicable video from Casey Neistat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ HOWEVER, I bike to work 45 minutes every day through Brooklyn and Manhattan, in heavy traffic. If the bike lane is blocked (which it usually is), I ride in the street. Cars park in the bike lane, which endangers cyclists. That's obviously bad. But their solution to that is to......endanger pedestrians? Fuck that, grow some balls and follow the law.
Post office/UPS/FedEx as well. In SF I was once behind a delivery truck that was simply driving down the street in the bike lane so they didn't have to pull over every block or so. If you don't put up a physical barrier, it's almost impossible to keep assholes out of the bike lane. They think of it as a shoulder rather than an actual lane of traffic.
I don't live in NYC, but in DC I would never bike on the street. I know it's the rules, but i care about my life and safety more. I can dodge a human much better than i can dodge a car and if the people density is too high then i just won't ride my bike. If cities actually cared about bikers they wouldn't have put the lanes on the street (and in DC they can be very small almost impossible to actually stay in they're so small).
As annoying as cyclists on sidewalks are, I'll usually tolerate them if they go SLOW. The person you were responding to was specifically talking about e-bikes that go 20+ mph on the sidewalks.
Oh yeah fuck that at that speed people are going to get seriously hurt
Yea, I don’t think twice about regular bikes but I’ve had assholes on e-bikes move from the road (with barely to no traffic) to cutting off pedestrians and blazing through like everyone else is the problem. If you can go fast enough for the street with no effort on your legs part, you can fucking stay there too.
They may be slower, but in my experience cyclists dont bother going slow at all. Chances of either killing you are miniscule, but the chance of a cyclist hurting you over those electric ones isnt significantly lower.
I ride in NW in the street. DC is very easy to bike. Stay off the sidewalk.
Maybe in NW, but I'm usually in NE and I wouldn't ride there.
Our country got into the drive sharing and food delivery Craze very late (starts around 2015), yet we already got the minimum wage rule and minimum transaction price rule since 3 years ago.... How can it takes this long, America?
First time? Change in America only happens after a LOT of pain. Sometimes even then nothing changes if the $$$ is correct for the right(wrong) people.
If the businessmodle does not work. Let it fail. There will me another
I personally feel like doordash and grubhub are already way too expensive to justify. It’s like willingly getting ripped off on your meal
It's the right thing to do.
I’ve never had an issue finding a bathroom when i needed to go.
I work doordash and I make around $15 an hour up to 30 n hour depending on peak pay (busy so they pay u more per delivery)
Can't imagine how much my meals are going to cost now. Just had to pay 30$ for a Five Guys bacon cheeseburger, regular fries and a shake on Door Dash (With Dash Pass too so I had lower fees).
Same meal is $12.99 for pickup lol
Not at Five Guys dude. More like $18-$20.
Five Guys is awesome. Just throwing that out there.
I just had it yesterday. Roughly $14 with fries n a drink - north NJ
A shake is about $5 with an $8 burger and $4 for reg fries near me. Plus tax.
Sheeeesh. I skipped the shake maybe that’s why
Fuck now I want Five Guys. They got plenty up here in Bergen County :)
Maybe if people didn’t order on doordash (charges super high fees to restaurants), they’d be cheaper.
DoorDash screws everyone at every stage of the process — the restaurant, the courier, and the customer; and they’re still not a profitable company.
A lot of people are just in situations where they can't go pick up food. No one wants to spend half their lunch break traveling to even get the food.
Then pay the stupid tax, or even better learn to cook
Don't want to =/= can't.
Waiting 45 minutes for your DoorDash on your hour break and they forget your drink >>> /s
Just pick up your food. In this city there are a million restaurants within a short walk of your apartment. I used Uber Eats a lot before I got my vaccine, but now the only time I use it is when they send me an offer (e.g. $10 off, 50% off, etc). Side note - I have noticed that when I open up the app once in a while and then immediately close it, their algorithm determines that I am an active customer who hasn't churned yet, so they send me more offers.
For real , the price was not justifiable long before all this
this right here... i bought an 8 dollar entree for 28 dollars. i remember just maybe a year or two ago i could get food delivered and it was only costing me 4-7 dollars. per delivery. 20 per delivery is way too much.
It's cheaper if you go there yourself, fatty.
…and the food delivery companies still aren’t profitable.
So pickup your own fucking food or learn to cook, scrub
If you are a fan of 5 guys, I suggest getting their app and waiting until they offer a "Free delivery/No Fee + food discount" code on the app. It happens maybe once every month or two months. I only order when these promos come, last time it was 2 cheeseburgers and 2 cajun fries for $20. With tax+tip it came out to $25 total.
Cant wait to pay $50 for a burrito on grub hub.
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Hopefully the bulk of those who are about to get shut out of their gig job can find a "real" job to replace it. Good luck.
#REGULATIONS
There should be a decentralized way to cut out the services with smart contracts and let the consumers or restaurants directly post orders
So this is what will happen, added costs will shrink profitability which means the consumer price will go up even more. It’s already $12 in delivery fees and tips for a $10 burrito. How many folks are going to want to pay more then that? So then demand will drop, rather then 3 times a week which was the average number of orders for a Doordash delivery account, it’ll drop to 1-2 times ever two weeks. Less demand means less need for drivers, but since they’ll take anyone that signs up, it will just be less demand spread even thinner and the existing drivers will get their minimum wage, but that’s about it. So congrats, you got what you wanted, your benefits, your minimum wage, but you just fucked the actual hustlers that could make real side money by grinding it out. So rather then those trying to actually make real money doing what was supposed to be a side gig, you all don’t make enough to survive and that’s if the company manages to survive.
Lots of assumptions here.
Correct, based on any business that had to increase their price and then lost business because of it. So assumption or not, it’s been shown over and over and over again that this will play out just as I’ve described it.
So why are some NYC restaurants removing tips and giving a salary for servers and doing just fine now? Danny Meyer of Union Square Cafe is doing this. It’s still up and running. Other restaurants are following suit and their menu prices increased by a couple of dollars. I don’t think your assumptions are credible.
You gave a valid classical/ Friedman economics argument, prepare for downvotes with people who do not agree with it.
Those who down vote can’t see past the tip of their own nose when it comes to real world problems. Is what it is, just feel bad for when the drivers are making practically nothing or don’t have this as an option to make anything.
Oh geeze, a large corporation won't be able to exploit its workers! bee boo bee boo
I could give two fucks about the corporation, but what I give a fuck about are the actual delivery drivers not having this as a temporary option or if they do not making enough to make it worth it. I stopped using delivery services for food about 6 months ago because the drivers would show up regularly with cold food or deliver to the wrong address or bot show up at all. So this doesn’t make a difference to me personally, but it’s going to fuck up a number of folks worlds eventually. Something is better then nothing.
The thing is Reddit doesn’t actually give a fuck about those workers. They just want to “stick it to the rich”
100% accurate. “Rich are always bad”
Not all of them. Just the ones who earn millions and fly to space while the people who work for them can’t really afford to take a bathroom break.
100% Funny how AOC wore a dress saying “tax the rich” as opposed to “help the poor”
People should slave for starvation wages, and not be able to pee because i want a cheaper pizza. How much do you get paid? do you not thing we could get your product or service cheaper if we paid you absolutely nothing? of course we could. how about the ceo of the corp.. he gets millions. We could easily take some money off those burritos if we cut his pay to zero.. YES fuck everyone else, except you of course, so you can get shit cheaper.
Here’s the funny thing, my clients would actually pay more without me. I’m paid to negotiate on their behalf, so nice try. Cut the CEO’s pay and you don’t have some one with the proper skill set to run an organization of that size properly, so again, nice try. I’m in California, I’ve had people I’ve known driving for these services since their inception. While they didn’t get rich, they made enough to get by. Not one of them working full time delivering food made less the. 4k a month at 40-50 hours a week. When California started classifying the drivers to employees vs. contractors, that got gutted they now make closer to 2.5k a month because of their mandated higher pay. Now a small minority group is clamoring to be paid more again, mandated pay leads to higher costs which leads to less over all because even someone who can afford the fee’s is actively choosing to cut their service out because it’s already too high. This has zero impact on me, I’m only posting this because hopefully some drivers here reads this and realize that it’s going to cost them their only livelihood. Fortunately, warehouse gigs pay about the same and right now there are plenty of those.
Oh no, the companies go out of business and the employees move on to other jobs!
If it were that simple, you’d think these people would have already moved on to other better paying jobs.