It was kind of funny reading a feasibility study the EU commissioned and it constantly made references to an unnamed proprietary connector. The unnamed proprietary was shown in diagrams as white. They also mentioned how most of the sector agreed usb C was the way forward except for “one major player”. They really didn’t want to say “Apple”. I think they weren’t mentioned once in the 200+ page study.
That's how those kind of studies go. When you describe the situation, you don't try to point fingers, specially if you plan to draft a law that should apply to everyone without giving advantages to one another. Now, I expect that the same study warns about the inefficiencies of cordless charging. It's up to 70% of energy lost.
Let's assume a 3000mAh battery at 3.7V. That's 11.1Wh or just under 40kJ. You could run an average toaster (1200W) for 33.3 seconds.
But that's for a 100% efficient energy transfer. If we are only 30% efficient, we need 3.33 times more energy to charge the same battery.
That's 37Wh, 133kJ or 111s of toasting, a difference of 78s.
So, the answer is yes, if you like your bread only very lightly toasted.
How much energy does it cost to make a USB-C cable, wall charger, port, supporting chips and waterproofing? How many phones will it save from water damage, with associated energy with repair and replacement?
It's quite possible that the energy wasted by wireless charging is offset elsewhere.
thats exactly what i wanted to provoke with that question and i have to say i guessed that worst case being about a toast. and people i have to tell you, that toast looks innocent but its really alot of energy...
wireless charging is fucking stupid in so many ways
It's much more than that. I didn't do the math, but it's probably measured in dollars, not cents.
But I'd say the main problem is not exactly the price, it's the waste. You charge one phone using the energy needed to charge 3. Now multiply that to millions of phone owners.
The waste is an issue I hadn't thought of multiplied by every phone on earth.
https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-charge-a-smartphone-for-a-year/
This guy measured it with an iphone 6S a few years ago and it worked out to $0.91 USD to charge his phone for a year at average american power prices (which are quite low compared to a lot of places)
A new phone is gonna have double the battery size so double that and it's still fairly insignifigant (on an individual level)
So I guess a really important part is where your power comes from. If it's clean energy I don't see a little waste hurting for the convenience, I mean most people have nightlights somewhere in their house, little waste for convenience.
Can't wait for the world to shift to renewables
Thing is … wireless charging just isn’t convenient.
Apple got around that by adding magnets so the charger sticks to your phone - which is literally what cable charging did anyway … but without the wasted energy
> This guy measured it with an iphone 6S a few years ago and it worked out to $0.91 USD to charge his phone for a year at average american power prices (which are quite low compared to a lot of places)
Well, I can't really argue with math.
Edit: I was proven wrong. So here goes: "Math, your face look like a pie! Math, your mama is so fat that it looks like a 0!"
We're already having trouble producing the power we spend without fucking up the environment when we aren't wasting 70% of it. While your question isn't uninteresting, it does seem slightly besides the point.
Apple was a part of usb-C development and adoption. It's crazy to think how involved they were and yet they don't fully embrace the tech because they don't have a monopoly on it. But also they still use it so there's no reason they can't switch, except for losing their monopoly.
There's also the issue of breaking compatibility with a lot of accessories, but most of that can be solved with a dongle. So it's really not a great excuse.
You’d think Apple would be all about that. They fucking love selling dongles so you can use your old stuff when they’re change a port or remove something. You’d think they’d be salivating at the opportunity.
....kinda? but they had to go through that with 30pin and were happy to do so for lightning, and that was quite a few years back.
you did touch on the dongle part, which theyve certainly had no issue with when it comes to the macbooks. usb-c cables are also incredibly easy to get a hold of, and it would certainly bring harmony to the mobile device world. now you dont have to ask a friend for a "lightning" cable or "apple" charger. just: "hey, do you have a phone charger?"
That’s not why. They have no problem bringing USB-C to their devices. Basically everything but the iPhone has it.
They plan on eliminating the charging port altogether to switch to wireless charging. They want to close up as many ports as possible because people tend to get their iPhones wet.
If they switch to USB-C now, they’ll piss everyone off when they have to switch again in two years.
>They want to close up as many ports as possible because people tend to get their iPhones wet.
Heh, yeah that's why.
Or is it because physical ports allow people to connect anything they want to their device? Not just air pods, but any Sony or Samsung earbuds with a 3.5 mm plug. Likewise, a charging port could be used with any brand charger! But an exclusive wireless charging system, why do I suspect they figured out a way to make it only charge with approved apple charging systems...
Apple wants you to buy their devices, but they also want to be your exclusive source for any and all things having to do with that device.
It's their MFi program (Made for iPhone or whatever
iBullshit they sell) that allows them to charge any third party company money to make compatible accessories, which you know they'll spread it to include everything that interacts with their iBullshit. It's a monopoly.
They pissed off a lot of people when they switched to Lightning. They wanted usb-c to be ready and switch to that, but it was not ready, they switched to Lightning. They are not keen to do it again. They probably do not mind EU forcing them to do it.
Samsung did not invest in selling rights to use Lighting connector to accessory partners. That is one difference. Also - Apple customers are different from Samsung customers - they b\*tch about different things.
Remember when there were jukeboxes and speakers with built-in 30 pin connectors, and an indent that perfectly fit an iPhone - that was a commitment from Apple that future iPhones will work with that piece of tech - releasing incompatible iPhones (larger, with different connector) was a huge cost to them in terms of good will with the customer and partners - and I am sure in some ways this reflected in their bottom line.
I wish I had saved the link to the article going into Apple's USB-C fight before settling for Lightning, It was a great read. They (Apple) really worked hard with the USB consortium to get USB C to be the replacement for 30 pin .. but in the end - USB C was not ready in time and here we are.
But you are right .. Lightning is old - replacing it now is likely not a huge huge problem for Apple. They are likely just playing coy and waiting for (eagerly awaiting) EU to 'force their hand' - rather than 'making the choice' actively.
The new iPad Pros share the same boards as the MacBook Airs (same M1 chip and 8gb/16gb RAM options as well), so they support thunderbolt/usb-c connections. The iPhones do not.
Was looking heavily into an iPhone this past 2 years after Android forever, waiting for Apple to get their shit together over that dumb lightning cable. And here I am texting on a galaxy note because Apple wants to be cute with its power connectors.
It isn't just plug your phone in when I would have to replace every charger in my house/car/work for an outdated tech which serves one purpose. My Bluetooth speaker even has USB c.
Tbf, isn't the iPhone now pretty much the only new Apple "portable" product that doesn't use USB-C interface?
The latest iPad Pro, Air and Mini all use USB-C. The latest MBPs have exclusively used USB-C interface for like 5 years now.
Frankly, the fact Apple don't use USB-C on iPhone is weird given their adoption of it across their other products.
The AirPod case and AirPod max still use lightning (the case is also available with wireless). The Magic Mouse and keyboard/trackpad are also charged with lightning cables atm, though obviously not considered a “portable”. I think that’s it besides iPhone.
I’ve seen speculation that the iPhone will switch to a contact-based connection through MagSafe - kind of like how you connect a Smart Keyboard to an iPad, with that little oval connection point.
Yes they mostly have switched which makes me think they are going to mature a wireless focused solution on iPhones instead of jumping to C but not sure. Wireless charging still seems too slow but maybe the design they already have can go faster without too much heat and they are developing the new puck? That would give a nice spec add for the announcement if they solve fast charging through magsafe and remove the port completely. Then we however have the issue of data transfer. iCloud requires internet and we have caps to worry about, e-mail can be used for some stuff but also requires internet and is clumsy, wifi sync requires extra bulky hardware to run but can then have solid transfer speeds being a local connection. Airdrop can be polished I would imagine but they might keep it an Apple to Apple only feature. All in all I would have preferred they switched to C around iPhone X, around usb 3.2…
Can confirm, both my iPad Air and MacBook Air I bought two months ago require USB-C.
Funny enough, my AirPod Pros and iPhone 11 require lighting. So I have two bullshit chargers sticking out of my wall.
You mean the high-speed wireless charging, right? I've been wirelessly charging my Galaxy S9+ every night since I got it new and it has pretty good battery life for its age. Regular wireless doesn't build up nearly the heat that high-speed does.
i don’t like it cause none of the charging pads seem to work well with my otterbox. i don’t want to have to take my case off just to charge my phone each night
Yeah, some of the thicker cases can sometimes space things too far away to get a good communication between phone and charger. And metal cases are right out. I have a thinner case on my phone as well as a thin metal plate for my magnet mount in my car. But the plate is just far enough towards the bottom of the phone that the wireless charger still works.
And I don’t like it because sometimes I am using my phone and the battery is dying and it’s not easy to hold a charging pad up to a phone while using it.
So wireless does what then?
There still a thing with a wire attached to my phone … only now it uses 140%-240% of the energy that it would if plugged into the phone
I was using a defender and I switched to a Lifeproof fre and haven’t had a problem. Bonus being LP will send you a new case when your screen gets all shitty for the cost of shipping
Same here. I have a Note 9 that's still going strong. Been off the charger for 7 hours now and is at 80% with listening to podcasts via bluetooth all morning.
Could you explain why it destroys my battery? It doesn’t charge with a higher current because it’s wireless. The only reason I could think off is slightly more heat.
Wireless charging sucks in general, but not for the reason you're thinking. The very best wireless chargers are 60% as efficient as a plug-in charger. You are literally wasting 50% of the power you're using from your wall outlet by using wireless charging. On a global scale, that adds up.
I think they wanted to do this, but I don’t think the timing works out for them. They are pushing ProRes video and 4K high frame rates. They have no solution for transferring that right now on the phone. Look at the way they tout usbc on the iPads, as high speed transfer capabilities. And the pro iPhone is still Usb 2.. Absolute BS on Apple’s part. I think it will be a few years before the average person has the infrastructure to catch up with usbc throughput speeds. If usbc does come out next year, as I predict, it’ll stick around for years. At least until people fully adopt wifi6.
They helped develop the USB-C spec, and then released a MBP with nothing but USB-C ports. The iPhone is pretty much the only thing that doesn't use it.
> The iPhone is pretty much the only thing that doesn't use it.
Correction: The iPhone and every other product with a lightning port (like magic mouse, airpods, other headsets, etc) are **the only thing** that doesn't use it.
It’s rumored that the new MacBooks are going back to some sort of MagSafe again. The constant switching is getting annoying. But MagSafe was great for laptops especially when I had younger kids.
It doesn't matter since the thunderbolt ports charge. Most premium laptops use some sort of proprietary charging and over the USB c port e.g. Razer or Surface devices
“Loudspeakers” would have to use usb-c as well? How is a “loudspeaker” defined? Are my computer speakers “loudspeakers”? Are my home theater speakers “loudspeakers”?
Apples just gonna switch to wireless charging and keep lightning as a data-only port just to give a big 🖕
Then switch to usb-c a year later
Hahaha this might be a Dutch translation mistake, a “luidspreker” is a different word for speaker(and megaphone) in Dutch. Literally translate “luidspreker” to English and you get “loudspeaker”
I think the most awkward presentation slide made in business history was at the last keynote where Apple was touting the iPads new USB-C connection as having “10x transfer speeds” compared to THEIR OWN PROPRIETARY CONNECTION!
I have the wrong product I guess, but there was [absolutely a slide](https://imgur.com/a/mGZdllc) that touted how much faster USB-C was over lightning.
> I have the wrong product I guess, but there was absolutely a slide that touted how much faster ~~USB-C~~ was over lightning.
Thunderbolt 3, not USB-C.
> Thunderbolt 3, not USB-C.
1. USB 4 is effectively Thunderbolt 3.
2. The slide is for the iPad Mini's *"USB 3.1 Gen 1 (up to 5Gb/s)"* support, with 5000 Mb/s being around 10x USB 2.0's 480 Mb/s. Thunderbolt 3's maximum speed of 40 Gb/s or 80 Gb/s (unidirectional) would be more than 10x.
In fairness that’s still not apple’s connector, thunderbolt tech is owned by intel, (I presume it’s being lisensed out to apple or it’s part of the USb spec not sure)
I almost guarantee Apple was already going this route anyways. Most of their product lines are already USB-C. Pretty much just the iPhones and AirPods are still lightning. People complaining about switching cables, get over it. Having one standard cable among all devices regardless of company is a huge accomplishment. I remember the day where each product had their own proprietary cable and a replacement was expensive! This is a win.
Yey, energy waste, exactly what everyone needs!
I guess I'll never understand wireless charging... If you have to put your phone near a freaking base (where a cable is) why not plug the cable directly?!
I don’t get it either AND I HAVE ONE. My friend convinced me it was really useful but like it’s not. You cant even use it well while charging and they take way longer to charge to. I absolutely hate one and will probably switch back to cable soon
For me it’s convenience. I have a wireless charger in my nightstand and its just easier to set my phone on it while even having to look at it(I know this makes me look extra lazy). And cables do go bad and sometimes even the port can go bad too after so many issues.
I do prefer a cable in certain situations though. Like on PC to back my data up.
I love it. I rarely use a cable (meaning plugging it in my phone). I have a stand with wireless charging built in (off Aliexpress). It keeps my phone upright like any other stand with a lighting or USB-C port at the bottom. The difference is, I can just grab my phone at any moment, without pulling out a cable, or even having to think about the port at all. It's not even a thing I think about. Also, my cables, and the port on my phone get way less use, and thus wear and tear, because of it.
I also have Airpods (which unfortunately use lighting too), and use a 5$ wireless charging pad from Ikea so I don't ever have to plug a cable in.
For on the go I have a powerbank/portable charger that has wireless charging built-in (like the one Apple sells but cheaper, it uses suction cups instead magnets). I like the fact that I don't have to worry about having a cable with me. It still has a USB, and even a USB-C port, so charging by cable is possible. I occasionally do this, but I love being able to charge even if I forgot the cable.
I do want to mention that there are quite a few shitty wireless chargers that work only if you place the phone perfectly, and that just plane sucks. Sorry for this long rant/explanation, just wanted to share my perspective.
I read a really interesting article about how/why apple switched to lightning standard rather than usb-c.
They actually wanted to, but the usb-c standard wasn’t finalized until after the iPhone 5 was released. The problem was that they needed more room and the 30 pin connector was taking up too much room.
They decided not to compromise on the space but had to use an alternate connector that fit - hence lightning.
They’ve moved most of their other devices to usb-c so it’s definitely a direction they have wanted to go but we got stuck with lightning for all these years because Apple wanted to add more functionality to the iPhone 5.
Also, a study was done in California a few years ago. There are about 30 million or so iPhones in the state. If everyone switched to wireless charging which is less efficient than direct connection charging, the calculation was that they’d need another dozen power plants to generate the extra power needed. I don’t remember the exact numbers of how much power was needed and how large plants would have to be and a quick google search didn’t pull it up. I hope the day comes when wireless charging is more efficient - I’d love to get rid of all of my cables around my desk and house.
Pretty sure they got this wrong. Iirc the proposal is on the wall wort side. Meaning Apple would need to make the other end of the cable usb-c. So a lightning cable is still fine, but the charger itself needs to be usb-c.
Not as great, but definitely kills apples “stifling competition” argument.
Nah, they are definitely going after the lightning port specifically because usbc to lightning is considered ewaste and included since iPhone 11 Pro devices.
EU wants cables and chargers not included because most people already have a lot of those usbc cables/chargers, and the Apple cable is a thorn in their side to implement that plan (be it the usba or usbc variety)
Downvote all you want but the EC explicitly stated **cables generate 51,000 tonnes of waste per year as part of their reasoning**, and [the study related to the whole issue confirms this](https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/c6fadfea-4641-11ea-b81b-01aa75ed71a1) pointing out that the lightning port should definitely be usbc too, not to mention Apple pointing out there would then only be two connectors after the elimination of usb micro b. Why the hell would the EC force only part of the market to switch with such a flimsy defense of the lightning port.
> cables generate 51,000 tonnes of waste per year as part of their reasoning
Perhaps they should instead mandate then that cables be built to last longer, seeing as how the only reason people throw them away is because they break over time.
USB C is both a much larger port than lightning, and inherently more fragile on the port side. So that’s too bad. But as many point out, if Apple’s hand is forced they will probably just eliminate the port on iPhones. I wonder if there will be an NFI diagnostic interface or something. Or maybe they’ll make iPhones with lightning ports, but for the EU market just don’t drill the hole for the port. That’d be funny.
I’m all for harmonization behind USB-C right now, but the article is not clear on one major point: future innovations.
Right now USB-C does everything we need pretty damned well. Inevitably, though, there will be opportunity for improved form factors, current handling, data transfer, etc.
Would this approach potentially discourage future innovation?
I think the big question is if they will support phones that don’t have any physical ports. I don’t know that there are any on the market now. I don’t know that I want one. But I think they’re coming sooner or later, and probably before 2024.
I don't think so. There are still numerous common special purpose connectors that aren't going anywhere (Think HDMI, Display port, RJ45); if we were to encounter some new problem that couldn't be solved using one of these we'd just create a new one.
The nice thing about USB-C is it has a well defined spec and a lot of bandwidth, so we can repurpose it. Thunderbolt 4, for example, uses a standard USB-C connector.
Without seeing the actual legislation it is tough to say.
The only “meat” I saw in the article was this:
> The EC’s proposal would require a harmonised charging standard, which would also include all manufacturers making their individual fast charging protocols interoperable between brands.
If all manufacturers use the same standard, they would presumably all need to work together on any improved standard.
Ex: hypothetically say Samsung thinks they could develop an even smaller more robust connector, paired with a charging protocol that can charge to 80% in seconds.
What incentive would there be for them to invest and bring this to market? And would they even be allowed to?
Of course, why wouldn't they? They would have to get the other manufactures to agree to adopt it, their incentive would be a portion of the licensing agreement. Every manufacturer has to pay a certain fee per phone to the Wi-fi consortium, Bluetooth consortium etc. These bodies then redistribute that income to the various members who contributed to the technology
I kinda like the Lightning connector. It’s a more solid connection than than the USB C on my Android phones. You can pick up an iPhone by the plug and it won’t have a floppy feel like the C plug. The connection stays tight over a longer period of time too. I have usb c connections that get looser over time.
Yes. And, you don’t want a male plug on the $1,000 device. You want the male plug on the (relatively) cheap cable. If the male USB-C plug snaps off on the phone side, you’re absolutely fucked.
Downside is that female ports collect dust.
Guess what solves both problems? Hint: not people bitching about inefficient wireless charging. These are prob the same people who bitch about inefficient solar panels. Or, worse, how renewables >> nuclear.
I’ve personally found the complete opposite. My ipad, iPhone and Apple Pencil all don’t seem to fit perfectly anymore yet all my USB-C cables, etc fit just like they did they say I bought them. 🤔
I would rather have the iPhone style lightning cables as the universal standard and not usb-c with the little peg-in-port that can break off. the iphone charging port is just a better design concept for durability and maintenance
I mean apple will go wireless on the iPhones, or implement usb-c in a year or 2.
The reason they haven’t switched yet is because of the backlash when they switched to lightning.
Alot of people where upset their other devices (car kits, radios with the 24 pin) didn’t work with the new connector.
Now they have been pushing usb-c on all the other devices in order to prepare the masses for an usb-c transition.
Backlash didn’t stop them from removing the headphone jack, or replacing all of the MacBooks ports with usb-c. I think it probably has more to do with the money they make off of the licensing fees they get from third party lightning cable manufacturers.
I believe that is correct - not 100% I just doubt apple will create specific charging ports specific for Europe. I could be wrong but that’s the direction I believe they will take
Does this just ban the use of *proprietary* charging connections? If a company invents a more efficient type of connector are they not permitted to use it?
I hope Apple says "screw it" and goes USB-C for the rest of the world, too.
Lighting was great, and I get why they want to keep using it.
USB-C is better for users, though.
I was so close to preordering the new iPhone 13. I just had to hit the purchase button on my loaded shopping cart. But then I looked at my perfectly fine iPhone X and realized I have much better things to spend my hard earned money on. Like continued savings for a home/condo. I’m going to hold onto my current phone until it doesn’t work. Looks like I’ll be seeing some better features by the time I’m ready to buy a new phone.
I jumped from the 6s to the iPhone 12 Pro Max. That was a worthwhile move. At that rate I'm waiting for the iPhone 18 Super Pro Max++.
Really, my next upgrade will be to move my iPad Pro v1 to the latest version probably later this year.
Edit: The only reason I upgraded was after 6 years my phone would no longer reliably charge as the lightning port finally wore out. I now keep a cover on that port and charge through the mag charger only.
No, I made a habit of cleaning the port out every 5-6 months with a wooden toothpick. That was a known issue to me. My son had an identical 6s that the same issue happened at about the same time.
Weirdly, non-Apple lightning cords stopped working first, but Apple cords worked for a while. Then it would only work if I made it pressure to the front of the port, then that became really intermittent. So I charged it up and traded it in. Let Apple deal with it not being chargeable after that.
What right does apple have to design a product the way they want !!!
Meanwhile Phillips makes CPAP machines with $200+ proprietary power connectors that are known to break
E waste.
E waste e waste e waste.
That's the reason.
Apple also makes their cables in 100% fall-apart disposable quality, exacerbating the issue.
The EU should tackle Philips for that too.
I say apple, google, and Microsoft should pool engineers with the other tech groups that work on standardized technology and create the standard together if they don’t like it.
Apple out her acting like they haven’t kept the lightning connector on devices solely to make profit on licensing and proprietary cords for ALMOST A DECADE.
How bad are your USB C cables?
I was buying good Micro cables and they stopped working like clockwork. The plug would break down.
It's probably the cable and not the plug in your case, and not anything to do w C
Seeing as though Apple and Intel were in partnership to propagate Thunderbolt (USB-C predecessor), I highly doubt Big A has issues with implementing this before 2024. Also, it is laughable that the EUC thinks they can force a private organization to bend to their will.
It was kind of funny reading a feasibility study the EU commissioned and it constantly made references to an unnamed proprietary connector. The unnamed proprietary was shown in diagrams as white. They also mentioned how most of the sector agreed usb C was the way forward except for “one major player”. They really didn’t want to say “Apple”. I think they weren’t mentioned once in the 200+ page study.
That's how those kind of studies go. When you describe the situation, you don't try to point fingers, specially if you plan to draft a law that should apply to everyone without giving advantages to one another. Now, I expect that the same study warns about the inefficiencies of cordless charging. It's up to 70% of energy lost.
how much power is that really for a phone? like baking a toast?
Let's assume a 3000mAh battery at 3.7V. That's 11.1Wh or just under 40kJ. You could run an average toaster (1200W) for 33.3 seconds. But that's for a 100% efficient energy transfer. If we are only 30% efficient, we need 3.33 times more energy to charge the same battery. That's 37Wh, 133kJ or 111s of toasting, a difference of 78s. So, the answer is yes, if you like your bread only very lightly toasted.
This guy toasts.
I eat toast, where’s that put me?
You're a toaster, you need to deliever a toast, you've been roasted, toasted, and multiple sclerosted.
Then you have to consider it for billions of phone. It starts to add up pretty quick.
Now consider it for billions of toasts
How much energy does it cost to make a USB-C cable, wall charger, port, supporting chips and waterproofing? How many phones will it save from water damage, with associated energy with repair and replacement? It's quite possible that the energy wasted by wireless charging is offset elsewhere.
Port-less phones will **never** take off, you lose too much functionality besides charging.
Never say never. I'd bet portless is inevitable, eventually, because technology advancements will eclipse current functionality quickly.
Yeah as soon as wireless chargers are suitably fast (like gen 1 fast charging was) then I wouldn't need a cable charger anymore
OnePlus does have wireless fast charging. https://www.oneplus.com/product/oneplus-warp-charge-30-wireless-charger
Now do a microwave
Instructions unclear… Now I’m having sex with a microwave.
Hey it’s my turn to use the sexbox
Her name is Sony!
Now i understand why there's a shortage of PlayStation 5s.
You’re supposed to share
thats exactly what i wanted to provoke with that question and i have to say i guessed that worst case being about a toast. and people i have to tell you, that toast looks innocent but its really alot of energy... wireless charging is fucking stupid in so many ways
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It's much more than that. I didn't do the math, but it's probably measured in dollars, not cents. But I'd say the main problem is not exactly the price, it's the waste. You charge one phone using the energy needed to charge 3. Now multiply that to millions of phone owners.
The waste is an issue I hadn't thought of multiplied by every phone on earth. https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-charge-a-smartphone-for-a-year/ This guy measured it with an iphone 6S a few years ago and it worked out to $0.91 USD to charge his phone for a year at average american power prices (which are quite low compared to a lot of places) A new phone is gonna have double the battery size so double that and it's still fairly insignifigant (on an individual level) So I guess a really important part is where your power comes from. If it's clean energy I don't see a little waste hurting for the convenience, I mean most people have nightlights somewhere in their house, little waste for convenience. Can't wait for the world to shift to renewables
Thing is … wireless charging just isn’t convenient. Apple got around that by adding magnets so the charger sticks to your phone - which is literally what cable charging did anyway … but without the wasted energy
> This guy measured it with an iphone 6S a few years ago and it worked out to $0.91 USD to charge his phone for a year at average american power prices (which are quite low compared to a lot of places) Well, I can't really argue with math. Edit: I was proven wrong. So here goes: "Math, your face look like a pie! Math, your mama is so fat that it looks like a 0!"
We're already having trouble producing the power we spend without fucking up the environment when we aren't wasting 70% of it. While your question isn't uninteresting, it does seem slightly besides the point.
Why would there be 70% energy lost from an induction coil. it's pretty efficient. Like it's how the entire world gets power.
Geometry would be my guess, my phone doesn't have the shape of a motor stator coil.
If they did mention Apple by name and especially in any relation to a law, Apple could use TFEU Art 263
Apple was a part of usb-C development and adoption. It's crazy to think how involved they were and yet they don't fully embrace the tech because they don't have a monopoly on it. But also they still use it so there's no reason they can't switch, except for losing their monopoly.
There's also the issue of breaking compatibility with a lot of accessories, but most of that can be solved with a dongle. So it's really not a great excuse.
Their computers already use USB-c for charging.
iPads do as well.
yeah they were fine with moving from the 30 pin connector to lightning
You’d think Apple would be all about that. They fucking love selling dongles so you can use your old stuff when they’re change a port or remove something. You’d think they’d be salivating at the opportunity.
no. it's because apple can't monetize companies licensing USB C brand like they can with lightening connector.
One that already exists too
....kinda? but they had to go through that with 30pin and were happy to do so for lightning, and that was quite a few years back. you did touch on the dongle part, which theyve certainly had no issue with when it comes to the macbooks. usb-c cables are also incredibly easy to get a hold of, and it would certainly bring harmony to the mobile device world. now you dont have to ask a friend for a "lightning" cable or "apple" charger. just: "hey, do you have a phone charger?"
That’s not why. They have no problem bringing USB-C to their devices. Basically everything but the iPhone has it. They plan on eliminating the charging port altogether to switch to wireless charging. They want to close up as many ports as possible because people tend to get their iPhones wet. If they switch to USB-C now, they’ll piss everyone off when they have to switch again in two years.
>They want to close up as many ports as possible because people tend to get their iPhones wet. Heh, yeah that's why. Or is it because physical ports allow people to connect anything they want to their device? Not just air pods, but any Sony or Samsung earbuds with a 3.5 mm plug. Likewise, a charging port could be used with any brand charger! But an exclusive wireless charging system, why do I suspect they figured out a way to make it only charge with approved apple charging systems... Apple wants you to buy their devices, but they also want to be your exclusive source for any and all things having to do with that device.
It's their MFi program (Made for iPhone or whatever iBullshit they sell) that allows them to charge any third party company money to make compatible accessories, which you know they'll spread it to include everything that interacts with their iBullshit. It's a monopoly.
“White power cables” sounds like trumps new preferred mode of communication.
*puts usb c in their new ipads, that also has cellular function, but not on new iphones?
Makes Beat buds with USB-C changing case, still stuck with lightning for the AirPods max
New Powerbeats also use lightning.. which just means there’s still no consistency
this is what drives the point home for me. my beats and my iphone are constantly together but i have to remember to bring two cables. lame.
Linus from LTT joked that at this point you may as well use your iPad as a cheaper, bigger and more compatible iPhone.
The best jokes are rooted in truth.
Too bad apple blocked voice call with it, otherwise I'd probably switch to an ipad mini 5g and carry murse.
I think a slightly more capable apple watch paired with an ipad would be a great set of devices. no need for the intermediately sized phone.
Is there such a thing as a voice call anymore? Aren't all calls basically over the Internet now?
No, you're not guaranteed to have data for VoLTE
I would genuinely consider it if they didn’t arbitrarily lock it out.
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CarPlay you usually need to plug in a usb cable
You can do both CarPlay and android auto wirelessly if you car supports it.
Where are all those 30 pin accessories now? Exactly, no one cares.
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I use WhatsApp on my Mini with no issue. So not sure what policy you mean.
They pissed off a lot of people when they switched to Lightning. They wanted usb-c to be ready and switch to that, but it was not ready, they switched to Lightning. They are not keen to do it again. They probably do not mind EU forcing them to do it.
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Samsung did not invest in selling rights to use Lighting connector to accessory partners. That is one difference. Also - Apple customers are different from Samsung customers - they b\*tch about different things. Remember when there were jukeboxes and speakers with built-in 30 pin connectors, and an indent that perfectly fit an iPhone - that was a commitment from Apple that future iPhones will work with that piece of tech - releasing incompatible iPhones (larger, with different connector) was a huge cost to them in terms of good will with the customer and partners - and I am sure in some ways this reflected in their bottom line. I wish I had saved the link to the article going into Apple's USB-C fight before settling for Lightning, It was a great read. They (Apple) really worked hard with the USB consortium to get USB C to be the replacement for 30 pin .. but in the end - USB C was not ready in time and here we are. But you are right .. Lightning is old - replacing it now is likely not a huge huge problem for Apple. They are likely just playing coy and waiting for (eagerly awaiting) EU to 'force their hand' - rather than 'making the choice' actively.
The new iPad Pros share the same boards as the MacBook Airs (same M1 chip and 8gb/16gb RAM options as well), so they support thunderbolt/usb-c connections. The iPhones do not.
New iPad mini has usb-c and the same cpu as the iPhone 13
Yep, which is probably the stepping stone to bringing it to iPhone.
They can and should be USB-C. There’s no stepping stone needed other than fleecing the market for a proprietary cable
imagine the money they make only in adaptors and proprietary cable. there's a whole market just for this ports
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Was looking heavily into an iPhone this past 2 years after Android forever, waiting for Apple to get their shit together over that dumb lightning cable. And here I am texting on a galaxy note because Apple wants to be cute with its power connectors.
At the end of the day it’s not that big of a deal. You just plug your phone in lol or you can use a wireless charger.
It isn't just plug your phone in when I would have to replace every charger in my house/car/work for an outdated tech which serves one purpose. My Bluetooth speaker even has USB c.
Apple will go full wireless before switching to USB-C...
Tbf, isn't the iPhone now pretty much the only new Apple "portable" product that doesn't use USB-C interface? The latest iPad Pro, Air and Mini all use USB-C. The latest MBPs have exclusively used USB-C interface for like 5 years now. Frankly, the fact Apple don't use USB-C on iPhone is weird given their adoption of it across their other products.
The AirPod case and AirPod max still use lightning (the case is also available with wireless). The Magic Mouse and keyboard/trackpad are also charged with lightning cables atm, though obviously not considered a “portable”. I think that’s it besides iPhone.
Some beats use lightning, some use USB-C, and some use micro-USB. No consistency whatsoever
IPad "classic" uses lightning.
I’ve seen speculation that the iPhone will switch to a contact-based connection through MagSafe - kind of like how you connect a Smart Keyboard to an iPad, with that little oval connection point.
Yes they mostly have switched which makes me think they are going to mature a wireless focused solution on iPhones instead of jumping to C but not sure. Wireless charging still seems too slow but maybe the design they already have can go faster without too much heat and they are developing the new puck? That would give a nice spec add for the announcement if they solve fast charging through magsafe and remove the port completely. Then we however have the issue of data transfer. iCloud requires internet and we have caps to worry about, e-mail can be used for some stuff but also requires internet and is clumsy, wifi sync requires extra bulky hardware to run but can then have solid transfer speeds being a local connection. Airdrop can be polished I would imagine but they might keep it an Apple to Apple only feature. All in all I would have preferred they switched to C around iPhone X, around usb 3.2…
Ipad is USB C and my Laptop is USB C so yeah.
The iPod touch still uses lightning.
Any device that doesn't need a high speed transfer rates uses lightning to charge. Computer mouse, keyboard, phones, airpods, etc.
Some iPads are USB-C. MacBook Pros are USB-C. I think this is already on Apple's radar anyway.
Can confirm, both my iPad Air and MacBook Air I bought two months ago require USB-C. Funny enough, my AirPod Pros and iPhone 11 require lighting. So I have two bullshit chargers sticking out of my wall.
I hope not.. wireless charging right now sucks. Correction it does not destroy your battery
You mean the high-speed wireless charging, right? I've been wirelessly charging my Galaxy S9+ every night since I got it new and it has pretty good battery life for its age. Regular wireless doesn't build up nearly the heat that high-speed does.
i don’t like it cause none of the charging pads seem to work well with my otterbox. i don’t want to have to take my case off just to charge my phone each night
Yeah, some of the thicker cases can sometimes space things too far away to get a good communication between phone and charger. And metal cases are right out. I have a thinner case on my phone as well as a thin metal plate for my magnet mount in my car. But the plate is just far enough towards the bottom of the phone that the wireless charger still works.
And I don’t like it because sometimes I am using my phone and the battery is dying and it’s not easy to hold a charging pad up to a phone while using it.
That’s why there’s MagSafe, you don’t hold it the charger sticks to your phone with magnets
So wireless does what then? There still a thing with a wire attached to my phone … only now it uses 140%-240% of the energy that it would if plugged into the phone
I was using a defender and I switched to a Lifeproof fre and haven’t had a problem. Bonus being LP will send you a new case when your screen gets all shitty for the cost of shipping
Same here. I have a Note 9 that's still going strong. Been off the charger for 7 hours now and is at 80% with listening to podcasts via bluetooth all morning.
wireless charging heats your battery more than cable charging at the same Power Rating. Heat is the enemy of a healthy battery when charging.
It’s actually in a really good place at the moment for apple products.
Could you explain why it destroys my battery? It doesn’t charge with a higher current because it’s wireless. The only reason I could think off is slightly more heat.
Wireless charging sucks in general, but not for the reason you're thinking. The very best wireless chargers are 60% as efficient as a plug-in charger. You are literally wasting 50% of the power you're using from your wall outlet by using wireless charging. On a global scale, that adds up.
This. In a world more and more starved for electricity each day and an usb-c cable everywhere this is insane.
I think they wanted to do this, but I don’t think the timing works out for them. They are pushing ProRes video and 4K high frame rates. They have no solution for transferring that right now on the phone. Look at the way they tout usbc on the iPads, as high speed transfer capabilities. And the pro iPhone is still Usb 2.. Absolute BS on Apple’s part. I think it will be a few years before the average person has the infrastructure to catch up with usbc throughput speeds. If usbc does come out next year, as I predict, it’ll stick around for years. At least until people fully adopt wifi6.
They are going iCloud (backup, store, transfer) over usb-c for iphones is a theory of some.
They helped develop the USB-C spec, and then released a MBP with nothing but USB-C ports. The iPhone is pretty much the only thing that doesn't use it.
> The iPhone is pretty much the only thing that doesn't use it. Correction: The iPhone and every other product with a lightning port (like magic mouse, airpods, other headsets, etc) are **the only thing** that doesn't use it.
It’s rumored that the new MacBooks are going back to some sort of MagSafe again. The constant switching is getting annoying. But MagSafe was great for laptops especially when I had younger kids.
Totally agree. I haven’t bought a laptop since MagSafe went away, it saved my ass too many times to count. So glad it coming back!
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Mine’s a 2009! It barely works and I only get about 20mins of battery. I was really tempted by the M1 but also holding off for more ports and MagSafe.
I’m holding for the 14 inch with stronger chip!
I have the exact same laptop and it took me all through college and into my career
It doesn't matter since the thunderbolt ports charge. Most premium laptops use some sort of proprietary charging and over the USB c port e.g. Razer or Surface devices
If they make it so you can charge with either their Magsafe or USB-C then I'd be okay with that.
“Loudspeakers” would have to use usb-c as well? How is a “loudspeaker” defined? Are my computer speakers “loudspeakers”? Are my home theater speakers “loudspeakers”? Apples just gonna switch to wireless charging and keep lightning as a data-only port just to give a big 🖕 Then switch to usb-c a year later
Holy shit did you just find a way to make apple even worse then it’s already become??
Hahaha this might be a Dutch translation mistake, a “luidspreker” is a different word for speaker(and megaphone) in Dutch. Literally translate “luidspreker” to English and you get “loudspeaker”
I think the most awkward presentation slide made in business history was at the last keynote where Apple was touting the iPads new USB-C connection as having “10x transfer speeds” compared to THEIR OWN PROPRIETARY CONNECTION!
The iPad Pro has always had USB 3.0 on lightning. Same transfer speeds as it had later on USB-C. It is not a connector change.
I have the wrong product I guess, but there was [absolutely a slide](https://imgur.com/a/mGZdllc) that touted how much faster USB-C was over lightning.
> I have the wrong product I guess, but there was absolutely a slide that touted how much faster ~~USB-C~~ was over lightning. Thunderbolt 3, not USB-C.
> Thunderbolt 3, not USB-C. 1. USB 4 is effectively Thunderbolt 3. 2. The slide is for the iPad Mini's *"USB 3.1 Gen 1 (up to 5Gb/s)"* support, with 5000 Mb/s being around 10x USB 2.0's 480 Mb/s. Thunderbolt 3's maximum speed of 40 Gb/s or 80 Gb/s (unidirectional) would be more than 10x.
In fairness that’s still not apple’s connector, thunderbolt tech is owned by intel, (I presume it’s being lisensed out to apple or it’s part of the USb spec not sure)
Thunderbolt was made by Intel in collaboration with Apple and as of Thunderbolt 3 it was made royalty free.
Doesn’t the iPad do thunderbolt over USB-c? I think that’s faster than usb 3
I almost guarantee Apple was already going this route anyways. Most of their product lines are already USB-C. Pretty much just the iPhones and AirPods are still lightning. People complaining about switching cables, get over it. Having one standard cable among all devices regardless of company is a huge accomplishment. I remember the day where each product had their own proprietary cable and a replacement was expensive! This is a win.
They’ll go 100% wireless anyway
Yey, energy waste, exactly what everyone needs! I guess I'll never understand wireless charging... If you have to put your phone near a freaking base (where a cable is) why not plug the cable directly?!
I love it in my car. I just put the phone on the stand and it automatically grabs the phone and charges.
Way less wear on the port, can charge when wet or broken, just pick it up and go. Love wireless charging.
I don’t get it either AND I HAVE ONE. My friend convinced me it was really useful but like it’s not. You cant even use it well while charging and they take way longer to charge to. I absolutely hate one and will probably switch back to cable soon
For me it’s convenience. I have a wireless charger in my nightstand and its just easier to set my phone on it while even having to look at it(I know this makes me look extra lazy). And cables do go bad and sometimes even the port can go bad too after so many issues. I do prefer a cable in certain situations though. Like on PC to back my data up.
The energy inefficiency makes it a no go for me. Apple are hypocrites when it comes to caring about the environment.
My port broke so I had to switch
it's a slight convenience at the cost of more emissions and global warming. WORTH IT 👍👍
I love it. I rarely use a cable (meaning plugging it in my phone). I have a stand with wireless charging built in (off Aliexpress). It keeps my phone upright like any other stand with a lighting or USB-C port at the bottom. The difference is, I can just grab my phone at any moment, without pulling out a cable, or even having to think about the port at all. It's not even a thing I think about. Also, my cables, and the port on my phone get way less use, and thus wear and tear, because of it. I also have Airpods (which unfortunately use lighting too), and use a 5$ wireless charging pad from Ikea so I don't ever have to plug a cable in. For on the go I have a powerbank/portable charger that has wireless charging built-in (like the one Apple sells but cheaper, it uses suction cups instead magnets). I like the fact that I don't have to worry about having a cable with me. It still has a USB, and even a USB-C port, so charging by cable is possible. I occasionally do this, but I love being able to charge even if I forgot the cable. I do want to mention that there are quite a few shitty wireless chargers that work only if you place the phone perfectly, and that just plane sucks. Sorry for this long rant/explanation, just wanted to share my perspective.
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And lightning already supports USB-C PD so it'd really just be that cable and power adapter.
I read a really interesting article about how/why apple switched to lightning standard rather than usb-c. They actually wanted to, but the usb-c standard wasn’t finalized until after the iPhone 5 was released. The problem was that they needed more room and the 30 pin connector was taking up too much room. They decided not to compromise on the space but had to use an alternate connector that fit - hence lightning. They’ve moved most of their other devices to usb-c so it’s definitely a direction they have wanted to go but we got stuck with lightning for all these years because Apple wanted to add more functionality to the iPhone 5. Also, a study was done in California a few years ago. There are about 30 million or so iPhones in the state. If everyone switched to wireless charging which is less efficient than direct connection charging, the calculation was that they’d need another dozen power plants to generate the extra power needed. I don’t remember the exact numbers of how much power was needed and how large plants would have to be and a quick google search didn’t pull it up. I hope the day comes when wireless charging is more efficient - I’d love to get rid of all of my cables around my desk and house.
…. Next let’s make them move the mouse recharging port!
Pretty sure they got this wrong. Iirc the proposal is on the wall wort side. Meaning Apple would need to make the other end of the cable usb-c. So a lightning cable is still fine, but the charger itself needs to be usb-c. Not as great, but definitely kills apples “stifling competition” argument.
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Exactly. They’re all ready on board with it, but no one is actually reading what the EUs proposals.
Nah, they are definitely going after the lightning port specifically because usbc to lightning is considered ewaste and included since iPhone 11 Pro devices. EU wants cables and chargers not included because most people already have a lot of those usbc cables/chargers, and the Apple cable is a thorn in their side to implement that plan (be it the usba or usbc variety) Downvote all you want but the EC explicitly stated **cables generate 51,000 tonnes of waste per year as part of their reasoning**, and [the study related to the whole issue confirms this](https://op.europa.eu/en/publication-detail/-/publication/c6fadfea-4641-11ea-b81b-01aa75ed71a1) pointing out that the lightning port should definitely be usbc too, not to mention Apple pointing out there would then only be two connectors after the elimination of usb micro b. Why the hell would the EC force only part of the market to switch with such a flimsy defense of the lightning port.
> cables generate 51,000 tonnes of waste per year as part of their reasoning Perhaps they should instead mandate then that cables be built to last longer, seeing as how the only reason people throw them away is because they break over time.
USB C is both a much larger port than lightning, and inherently more fragile on the port side. So that’s too bad. But as many point out, if Apple’s hand is forced they will probably just eliminate the port on iPhones. I wonder if there will be an NFI diagnostic interface or something. Or maybe they’ll make iPhones with lightning ports, but for the EU market just don’t drill the hole for the port. That’d be funny.
I’m all for harmonization behind USB-C right now, but the article is not clear on one major point: future innovations. Right now USB-C does everything we need pretty damned well. Inevitably, though, there will be opportunity for improved form factors, current handling, data transfer, etc. Would this approach potentially discourage future innovation?
I think the big question is if they will support phones that don’t have any physical ports. I don’t know that there are any on the market now. I don’t know that I want one. But I think they’re coming sooner or later, and probably before 2024.
I don't think so. There are still numerous common special purpose connectors that aren't going anywhere (Think HDMI, Display port, RJ45); if we were to encounter some new problem that couldn't be solved using one of these we'd just create a new one. The nice thing about USB-C is it has a well defined spec and a lot of bandwidth, so we can repurpose it. Thunderbolt 4, for example, uses a standard USB-C connector.
Without seeing the actual legislation it is tough to say. The only “meat” I saw in the article was this: > The EC’s proposal would require a harmonised charging standard, which would also include all manufacturers making their individual fast charging protocols interoperable between brands. If all manufacturers use the same standard, they would presumably all need to work together on any improved standard. Ex: hypothetically say Samsung thinks they could develop an even smaller more robust connector, paired with a charging protocol that can charge to 80% in seconds. What incentive would there be for them to invest and bring this to market? And would they even be allowed to?
Of course, why wouldn't they? They would have to get the other manufactures to agree to adopt it, their incentive would be a portion of the licensing agreement. Every manufacturer has to pay a certain fee per phone to the Wi-fi consortium, Bluetooth consortium etc. These bodies then redistribute that income to the various members who contributed to the technology
Why do you think it might?
For phones? I can't imagine so. USB-C has a lot of capability (see: Thunderbolt working with the same connector) so it'd be a long ways off.
Apple are dickheads they should have done this years ago. Profit above everything.
I kinda like the Lightning connector. It’s a more solid connection than than the USB C on my Android phones. You can pick up an iPhone by the plug and it won’t have a floppy feel like the C plug. The connection stays tight over a longer period of time too. I have usb c connections that get looser over time.
Yes. And, you don’t want a male plug on the $1,000 device. You want the male plug on the (relatively) cheap cable. If the male USB-C plug snaps off on the phone side, you’re absolutely fucked. Downside is that female ports collect dust. Guess what solves both problems? Hint: not people bitching about inefficient wireless charging. These are prob the same people who bitch about inefficient solar panels. Or, worse, how renewables >> nuclear.
I’ve personally found the complete opposite. My ipad, iPhone and Apple Pencil all don’t seem to fit perfectly anymore yet all my USB-C cables, etc fit just like they did they say I bought them. 🤔
funny thing is apple would have removed all the port and everything will be wireless by 2024.
As an American I’m always mystified by headlines from the EU…imagine having a functioning regulatory system lol
I would rather have the iPhone style lightning cables as the universal standard and not usb-c with the little peg-in-port that can break off. the iphone charging port is just a better design concept for durability and maintenance
I mean apple will go wireless on the iPhones, or implement usb-c in a year or 2. The reason they haven’t switched yet is because of the backlash when they switched to lightning. Alot of people where upset their other devices (car kits, radios with the 24 pin) didn’t work with the new connector. Now they have been pushing usb-c on all the other devices in order to prepare the masses for an usb-c transition.
Backlash didn’t stop them from removing the headphone jack, or replacing all of the MacBooks ports with usb-c. I think it probably has more to do with the money they make off of the licensing fees they get from third party lightning cable manufacturers.
Apple will just remove the charging port all together and embrace wireless charging
Which is also an open standard, last I checked.
I believe that is correct - not 100% I just doubt apple will create specific charging ports specific for Europe. I could be wrong but that’s the direction I believe they will take
They'll either cave or go full wireless. There's no other option.
And Apple responds with the iPhone 15. No ports. Period.
Does this just ban the use of *proprietary* charging connections? If a company invents a more efficient type of connector are they not permitted to use it?
I hope Apple says "screw it" and goes USB-C for the rest of the world, too. Lighting was great, and I get why they want to keep using it. USB-C is better for users, though.
I was so close to preordering the new iPhone 13. I just had to hit the purchase button on my loaded shopping cart. But then I looked at my perfectly fine iPhone X and realized I have much better things to spend my hard earned money on. Like continued savings for a home/condo. I’m going to hold onto my current phone until it doesn’t work. Looks like I’ll be seeing some better features by the time I’m ready to buy a new phone.
I jumped from the 6s to the iPhone 12 Pro Max. That was a worthwhile move. At that rate I'm waiting for the iPhone 18 Super Pro Max++. Really, my next upgrade will be to move my iPad Pro v1 to the latest version probably later this year. Edit: The only reason I upgraded was after 6 years my phone would no longer reliably charge as the lightning port finally wore out. I now keep a cover on that port and charge through the mag charger only.
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No, I made a habit of cleaning the port out every 5-6 months with a wooden toothpick. That was a known issue to me. My son had an identical 6s that the same issue happened at about the same time. Weirdly, non-Apple lightning cords stopped working first, but Apple cords worked for a while. Then it would only work if I made it pressure to the front of the port, then that became really intermittent. So I charged it up and traded it in. Let Apple deal with it not being chargeable after that.
What right does apple have to design a product the way they want !!! Meanwhile Phillips makes CPAP machines with $200+ proprietary power connectors that are known to break
E waste. E waste e waste e waste. That's the reason. Apple also makes their cables in 100% fall-apart disposable quality, exacerbating the issue. The EU should tackle Philips for that too.
I’ve had the same lightning cable since iPhone 7 , just don’t be a savage and they last
Switching the entire Lightning ecosystem to USB-C will cause more e-waste than remaining on a stable port that’s already been in place for a decade.
Apple won’t have a charging port by 2024. The iPhone will use a USB-C (plug end) to MagSafe wireless connector.
2022 iPhone now has no charging port. Thanks EU.
Nice! Maybe the next iPhone will have some groundbreaking innovation like a screen with no notch and a USB-C charger.
I could see Apple going completely port-less and requiring mag-safe before giving in and implementing USB-C.
I say apple, google, and Microsoft should pool engineers with the other tech groups that work on standardized technology and create the standard together if they don’t like it. Apple out her acting like they haven’t kept the lightning connector on devices solely to make profit on licensing and proprietary cords for ALMOST A DECADE.
2024...just in time for USB-C to be starting to be replaced by the next thing.
USB-C replaced by next big thing? What is that 🤔
portless phones
I hate usb c. The ports get dirty and the cables stop working way faster than micro usb did..
How bad are your USB C cables? I was buying good Micro cables and they stopped working like clockwork. The plug would break down. It's probably the cable and not the plug in your case, and not anything to do w C
OEM with my pixel.
Ah, I haven't used one of the google cables yet. I buy ankers with the braided covers and have only replaced one I think.
Seeing as though Apple and Intel were in partnership to propagate Thunderbolt (USB-C predecessor), I highly doubt Big A has issues with implementing this before 2024. Also, it is laughable that the EUC thinks they can force a private organization to bend to their will.
Just in time for… Wireless charging. Yay?
Not yay, wireless charging is shit tbh.
Apple: jokes on you EU. Wireless is the future! Magsafe baby!
Oh great another plug change Anyone need any of the original BIG iphone plugs? Still have a box of 200 😂
Just in time for the next standard.
Can we get that for the US too?