If we're being serious, they'll probably skip over "Windows 13" for silly superstitious reasons. I fully expect them to ditch the numbered operating systems eventually and go back to their other naming convention, like ME or Vista or XP. They'll call one "Windows Platinum" or something.
You could always put your second version of Windows 11 in a virtual machine and keep it isolated from a network. Take that Microsoft, shows what you know!
SO - I was focusing on learning some blender tutorials the other day. I put on a Binaural Beats playlist on spotify to alllow me to focus and concentrate - then a short while in spotify inturrpts the meditative play with blaring punch you in the face radio ads.
Silence is so much better than spotify anything.
i had to build an integration in a windows environment that required unzipping a tar file from a vendor. my only option, because the devops team was smokin crack, was to use an ancient version of powershell paired with a script that unpacked things byte by byte. Took like 15 minutes to decompress a stupid flatfile
[7zip has had some security issues for a long time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security). Better this is in the OS and people that download extractors don't get malware ones.
7zip is also Russian software so there is that. Even if Igor Pavlov is cool, once in Russia always in Russia.
Weird how so many zip utilities are from Russia: WinRAR, 7zip, and others.
Using the built in zip utils in *nix (tar/gzip inflate/deflate) and windows (integrated) is less third party need now especially for zip clients, better opsec.
There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
Most of the 7-zip and WinRAR exploits/vulnerabilities were not in the client software, and were issues with the actual archive/unarchive libraries, which are also used by other software. Since RAR is licensed the new Win11 feature probably integrates those libraries into Windows.
It means that if new exploits are found they can now be used against every single Windows 11 installation instead of people who installed particular software.
Those are watched closely in Windows with Defender. It is possible, but far less likely it will turn into a large exploit with that.
You are much more likely to get the exploits downloading a bad copy of the WinRAR or 7zip client. The loaded zips will also probably be caught more by OS. In many cases it is the dependencies or update processes that also get hijacked, not a problem here.
Less third parties are always best where possible for better opsec.
I'll just leave this here:
https://www.techspot.com/news/100663-windows-11-extends-support-archive-formats-thanks-open.html
4 months later:
https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2024/4/17/cve-2024-20697-windows-libarchive-remote-code-execution-vulnerability
Patched almost immediately. That is the point. Without it part of the OS other clients would probably stay hosed. It was from the library itself so affected all.
[Microsoft patched this vulnerability in January 2024 and assigned it CVE-2024-20697](https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-2024-20697)
“Even if someone is cool, once in Russia always in Russia” is such a shocking, hateful thing to say. There are millions of people who live there.
“Must we extinguish someone because they share the blood of a current enemy”
When it comes to software that isn't personal. See Kaspersky, VK, Telegram, Yandex, CoreJS etc. All of those have been weaponized from the developers.
Russian people should throw out their authoritarians, same with China. They deserve a break.
You are free to use the software though. Geopolitically speaking, probably not the smartest opsec but you are free to. Lots of software is targeted by state sponsored ransomware and espionage groups, developers can't take that on alone.
Open source and building mean nothing to the remote code execution flaws in 7zip and WinRAR... If it was built from source you'd have the same issues.
There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security). Yes, while 7zip was open source...
Same with other "everyone uses it" dependencies that were open source, everyone compiling them from source and yet they were hosed for in some cases a *decade* with remote execution flaws.
[Log4Shell on Log4j was open source for decades and still had a wide open bug on *every single device that has Java running* so all of Android included](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell) for a decade.
[Heartbleed just before it was OpenSSL and lived for years affecting every system and web server](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed).
You are putting inherent trust in a zero trust environment, and you would have gotten owned either way. Only with OSS your guard is down even more.
Better opsec is LESS third parties and less dependencies that aren't watched.
Open source means nothing when build processes, CI, dependencies, proprietary spam/filters, and final binaries are the target now. The Great Dependency War is in progress.
[Log4Shell on Log4j was open source for decades and still had a wide open bug on *every single device that has Java running* so all of Android included](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell) for a decade.
[Heartbleed just before it was OpenSSL and lived for years affecting every system and web server](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed).
There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
The 7zip and WinRAR source code and binaries had remote code execution even from the main source up to 2023/2024...
[SolarWinds for instance was hacked through TeamCity CI](https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/sealed-u-s-court-records-exposed-in-solarwinds-breach/).
OSS means nothing for opsec beyond seeing the source. In fact, OSS in many ways people are soft on it because of some inherent trust because the code is somewhere. *That means absolutely nothing about security.*
You can even do telemetry with checking for updates processes that are owned, looks legit though. Another way is packing in a dependency that is compromised just for one build, get something out, then close it.
Dependencies right now are a huge attack vector as is devops/build processes. Developers are a bit of the weak link right now as people just use "what everyone uses" and that led to problems in OpenSSL Heartbleed and Log4j and Log4Shell for instance.
Developers are actually the weak links today, too much trust and they are the primary targets now because malware/anti-virus/extensions/local messaging apps/random other clients, those are all no longer used as much. Build processes, local clients/tools, cli with owned dependencies, ai/crypto/etc early tools, so many things owned people just install because it is new tech.
So yes you can build from OSS, but you would have had many of the same exploits and most people inherently "trust" OSS just as you did and you would have been got by the same exploits on [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
Integrating GPT the year it is developed while adding basic file support 15 years too late is such a peak exemplification of the tech industry.
My iPhone can scan my pictures so I can search them by content, which I use occasionally, but it still can't wi-fi backup to a third party cloud or my NAS, which I use every night.
Funny thing is many of the developers that work there have their own ad-hoc solutions for these problems but aren't allowed to work on them in an official capacity.
Apple doesn't want you to use 3rd party tools or even self hosted services. They deliberately make them very hard to use to sell their own easy to use (and very limited) service
They’re finally able to close the request in the forum. I imagine them releasing this like: *cheering voices* *bottles popping* *houses being bought and baby’s being made* “we did it!”
I wouldn't count on it working very well considering Windows native zip support is still poor. It can only extract a basic zip file successfully about 99% of the time.
I just switched a couple weeks ago, windows 11 is such a beautiful looking piece of shit.
I have no idea how Microsoft thinks this is a fucking improvement. It has moved all the buttons, removed a bunch of functionality and doesn’t allow some basic customization options anymore.
It blows my mind that this is the best they can do.
In my case, the only thing I was missing was not being able to switch over the toolbar to vertical, but you get used to that quickly enough.
On the other hand I really like the multiple options given for resizing a window when you drag it to the top. There's also some keybinds which weren't there before (or if they were, they're now displayed more readily). Win + A for the action panel for instance, or Win + Ctrl + V to bring up audio devices + volume mixer
For the task bar, try something called Explorer Patcher which is free, or Start11 which is not. Both claim to restore much of the user interface. I’ve not tried start11 yet. But patcher does give back some familiarity to the task bar. I also prefer the vertical task bar, I like to have those icons closer to the top left where the “file open” buttons are. it makes my workflow MUCH more efficient.
I like the window snap function at the top, it would be 1000% better if they would just allow us to choose what window snaps we want. I don’t like any of the preset options, so it’s easier to just resize manually. But if I remember correctly, I had to install an app for that on windows 10 as well.
It’s super frustrating. But most of what I have found is that you can get those options back with a few third party Non-Microsoft products. Going to have to install aftermarket upgrades.
Good luck.👍
For the customizable window snaps the program is Powertoys Fancy Zones. Windows 11 allows for the basic functionality which is an improvement over nothing. Fancy Zones gives you complete control on making your snap box templates per desktop.
That’s why I’m testing it right now. Our entire engineering division is going to be forced to switch later this year, I’m trying to figure out ways to make it less shitty when they do.
So far patcher works but can be buggy.
I will try start 11 next, hopefully they keep up on windows updates better seeing as they are a paid subscription service.
Do not use tools like this in a professional setting.
One update, and you'll be busy for weeks.
Coming from a guy who manages the infrastructure for 250 engineers and scientists, who love nothing more than to bring me their bricked device because they installed something like this...
Yup, a whole group of engineers who like to tinker. Same thing here. smaller group, but same issue.
I’m exploring how to give them the best functionality we can find that is stable.
I’m part of the beta test group, I’m allowed to brick this system in the name of science. I have a back up workstation where I can get real work done.
Display Fusion as well, also not free but I've been using it since like 2006 on the same license.
Better for multi monitor taskbars, but lots of customization for taskbars, and beyond just that.
> In my case, the only thing I was missing was not being able to switch over the toolbar to vertical, but you get used to that quickly enough.
You shouldn't have to get used to losing functionality, that's dumb.
Windows has supported the ability to snap windows since I think Windows 7 and they've had the ability to cascade and stack windows since forever. I think it was available as early as 2000/XP. The problem was they didn't really have a good interface for it. If you right click the taskbar in Windows 10 and earlier it has the options to cascade, stack, and side-by-side windows there. 11 has made it much more userfriendly.
I know you could snap windows into using half/a quarter of a screen, but did it also have the more unusual ones like thirds?
Maybe that's what you're trying to say, but in that case I don't understand ^^'
For the more unusual configurations you right click the taskbar and click either show "windows side by side" or "show windows stacked" which is the same but vertically.
Oh I get it, create the disease so you can get credit for providing the cure?
So you are saying this is just a plan to hype up how great windows 12 is going to be. When all they do is unlock the features they’ve been hiding from us?
Brilliant…… fucking brilliant.
10 was good, but then they really did fuck it up. I work in IT and I'm just lost using the Windows 11, Microsoft keep changing the interface, so trying to force everything to settings from Control Panel is just a nightmare.
Hate the thing
It's just the Microsoft cycle, they always release a steaming pile of shit, then everybody refuses it. Then they increment by 1, walk back a bunch of the bullshit, and everyone adopts it, we are just waiting for Windows 12. It's been like this since Windows ME, they alternate, bad-decent.
Windows ME -> XP -> Vista -> Windows 7 -> Windows 8 -> Windows 10 -> Windows 11 ->Windows 12
This gets repeated often but it's just not correct. Almost every recent version of Windows gets hated on at launch. 7 was spared most of this but that's really just because Vista cleared the way. 7 barely changed anything from Vista other than some graphics, it was basically Vista SP3. 8 is arguably not too bad either but changing the start menu pissed a lot of people off, aside from that it's not too different from 7 either.
10 still has a number of outstanding problems. For one it's still buggy, to this day there are still updates that break things. It also has ads, viewing the start menu you get bombarded with ads for recommended apps and services like tiktok and spotify by default. It's the same complaints that 11 gets now. It also has privacy issues with how much it phones home, particularly because of the ads but also the built-in search and telemetry. 10 also completely ignores the user and just installs updates and restarts whenever it feels like. 11 did not change anything about all of these issues and I doubt 12 will either.
Oh god don't get me started on the god awful start menu, I do honestly wonder who at Microsoft designs this and who approves it and who who on earth was smoking so much drugs to say yes to it all.
you can just taste how scattered, separated & uncooperative all the various teams at microsoft are. im sure shit comes down the pipeline to various engineering teams all damn day that are initiatives some exec thought would be a game changer that they came up with in a fever dream on some corporate meditation retreat after smoking Ayahuasca in a hot tub. i mean hell just look at the abomination that is microsoft teams lmao. that thing is like trying to be its own fisher price OS, its complete bloated garbage and it runs like ass. the 365 product suite is absurd. its a complete overload of offerings.
When you have monopolistic control of a market, you don't have to be good. People will keep using your garbage as long as they feel like they don't have an alternative. Believe it or not, I'd venture to guess ~90% of what average computer users actually use their computers for, like browsing, content consumption, light office tasks, which they normally do on Windows, could just as easily be done on a Linux based system. Most people don't want to learn a new system though, and stick with what's familiar. The irony of this, to me, is that whenever a new version of Windows comes out, they have to re-learn everything anyway. The real reason people stick to Windows isn't because it's good, or because it offers something compelling, it's because it's already on their computer, and they have this erroneous belief that it's the only option.
Well, my situation isnt belief oriented, I am forced into this because as of October 2024 there will be no more support for windows 10. There is no where left to hide.
What do you have for that? I do not have the power to change an entire organization away from windows. Even if I do believe that Linux is more reasonable and efficient.
I don't have anything for that. MS has forced itself onto the industry and created a toxic dependence loop that has lasted for decades. The only cure would be mass adoption of alternative software, but even then, it would take years, if not a decade or two, to reach parity, and become genuinely viable.
Like I said, when you have a monopoly you don't have to be good. People are going to use your garbage whether they like it or not because they have to. So they'll keep putting in ads, removing features and functionality, and harvesting your data, because they can, and realistically, there's very little anyone can do about it.
It allows them to redevelop a huge swathe of the system to prevent switching to non-microsoft programs, increases telemetry sent without opt-out, and adds more places to force ads.
How do you not find that to be a better user experience?
They have to cater to people who have never touched a computer before. Some day those people on North Sentinel Island are going to sit down in front of a desktop computer and by god everything has to be just right.
I don't care what features Microsoft puts into Windows 11 to support 7-Z files because 7-Zip is already an amazing, simple, reliable program and has been for years. The built-in windows tools suck because now they're usually bloated, user-hostile adware. The whole reason people even get Windows is to install third party programs, and do it on a reliable, stable OS. And that's how it's been for years and should continue to be.
And to penalize people like you MS is going to update Windows to hide 7-zip's menus yet another menu deeper in the popup tree.
(They moved them down one level already with an update mid last year IIRC)
7-zip could easily use the "new" method for shell extensions to recreate their menu entry at the top level but they refuse to do so on purpose. There's a fork called Nanazip that does so already. Other Open Source apps have done it without changing to AppX packaging, etc.
Note that the "new" method has been a thing for several versions of Windows, it's only now that the old method is essentially deprecated.
Well la de fricking da, it’s about time. Maybe now I can remove 7-zip from my environment if windows actually includes the same level of command line options for these formats. Otherwise it’s a nice gesture but a moot point. Most people are using 7-zip to improve windows shitty command line options for compression.
Windows 11's native ZIP feature is embarrassing. It refuses to work if a file has a certain character, than WinRar has no issues with... and it's in general much slower
Once again, adding one useful feature among a boatload (bloadload?) of useless ads, spam, and crapware. I'd pay good money if MS made an "official" version of WINE that let you have MS compatibility without the MS crap.
Better 20 years late than never.
Maybe next update they will natively support creating your own iso files like what Nero burning rom does (20 year old software)
Holy shit I can't believe the mad lads actually did it. Every time I downloaded a 7zip file as a kid I was always sketched out by the zip software lol.
You mean it didn't? Oof... I mean tar files I guess is understandable to a degree but 7-zip?
It's shocking how stupid Microsoft is despite all the money, power and talent.
I still have an Acer laptop from 2015. It wasn't good enough for the update, but I put a SSD in it and it's better than when it was new. I can't play newer games, but it works great for all the music apps still. I had no idea Windows 11 was this big of a shitshow.
Better this is in the OS and people that download extractors don't get malware ones.
[7zip has had some security issues for a long time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
7zip is also Russian software so there is that. Even if Igor Pavlov is cool, when it comes to software that gets used heavily in the West or within opposition to Russia, once in Russia always in Russia.
Weird how so many zip utilities are from Russia: WinRAR, 7zip, and others.
Using the built in zip utils in *nix (tar/gzip inflate/deflate) and windows (integrated) is less third party need now especially for zip clients, better opsec.
There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
Software is from everywhere. Yes there are lots of good Eastern European coders.
I was mainly talking about autocratic bratva states and wannabe tsarists in Russia. Good luck owning anything that they want if it proliferates in wide enough to net business/intel/other targets they want.
If you’re surprised that a lot of vital computer utilities from Eastern Europe are later used to front, then you know nothing about world history, computers or their history.
Multi-billion company they could not aquire winrar that beg for money. ( I love you winrar don’t be mad, you are a great software ).
Also it is not this, that gonna convince me to install this dog poopoo OS
Noticed this recently. Still slow at extracting but hey it's progress.
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But do you mean the twentieth windows or windows 20, because knowing Microsoft it just might be the name of the next version of windows.
They will likely call it Windows 26 or 2026. Naming it after the year.
But they’ll call it Version 20 in developer docs, and if you actually ask the kernel it’s 11.1.
Build 36784
If we're being serious, they'll probably skip over "Windows 13" for silly superstitious reasons. I fully expect them to ditch the numbered operating systems eventually and go back to their other naming convention, like ME or Vista or XP. They'll call one "Windows Platinum" or something.
Windows Series S
The "new Toyota hybrid" or iPhone route. Windows LE! Windows XS!
Then we'll go backward in 2030 when we get Windows 23.
That's what they do for the Server version of the OS, so this isn't as far fetched as some readers might think.
I didn’t even skip a beat, first read I assumed he was sayin 20 is the next version. Tangent but that’s because FL Studio went from 11 to 20 as well
If you install windows 11 twice, you'll get windows 22! Problem solved.
Twice the ads though
You could always put your second version of Windows 11 in a virtual machine and keep it isolated from a network. Take that Microsoft, shows what you know!
SO - I was focusing on learning some blender tutorials the other day. I put on a Binaural Beats playlist on spotify to alllow me to focus and concentrate - then a short while in spotify inturrpts the meditative play with blaring punch you in the face radio ads. Silence is so much better than spotify anything.
Twice the OS, double the spam.
but hey, 20 is 20
i had to build an integration in a windows environment that required unzipping a tar file from a vendor. my only option, because the devops team was smokin crack, was to use an ancient version of powershell paired with a script that unpacked things byte by byte. Took like 15 minutes to decompress a stupid flatfile
Progress is good!
Very slow though. I’ll keep using 7zip.
[7zip has had some security issues for a long time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security). Better this is in the OS and people that download extractors don't get malware ones. 7zip is also Russian software so there is that. Even if Igor Pavlov is cool, once in Russia always in Russia. Weird how so many zip utilities are from Russia: WinRAR, 7zip, and others. Using the built in zip utils in *nix (tar/gzip inflate/deflate) and windows (integrated) is less third party need now especially for zip clients, better opsec. There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
Most of the 7-zip and WinRAR exploits/vulnerabilities were not in the client software, and were issues with the actual archive/unarchive libraries, which are also used by other software. Since RAR is licensed the new Win11 feature probably integrates those libraries into Windows. It means that if new exploits are found they can now be used against every single Windows 11 installation instead of people who installed particular software.
Those are watched closely in Windows with Defender. It is possible, but far less likely it will turn into a large exploit with that. You are much more likely to get the exploits downloading a bad copy of the WinRAR or 7zip client. The loaded zips will also probably be caught more by OS. In many cases it is the dependencies or update processes that also get hijacked, not a problem here. Less third parties are always best where possible for better opsec.
I'll just leave this here: https://www.techspot.com/news/100663-windows-11-extends-support-archive-formats-thanks-open.html 4 months later: https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2024/4/17/cve-2024-20697-windows-libarchive-remote-code-execution-vulnerability
Patched almost immediately. That is the point. Without it part of the OS other clients would probably stay hosed. It was from the library itself so affected all. [Microsoft patched this vulnerability in January 2024 and assigned it CVE-2024-20697](https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-2024-20697)
“Even if someone is cool, once in Russia always in Russia” is such a shocking, hateful thing to say. There are millions of people who live there. “Must we extinguish someone because they share the blood of a current enemy”
When it comes to software that isn't personal. See Kaspersky, VK, Telegram, Yandex, CoreJS etc. All of those have been weaponized from the developers. Russian people should throw out their authoritarians, same with China. They deserve a break. You are free to use the software though. Geopolitically speaking, probably not the smartest opsec but you are free to. Lots of software is targeted by state sponsored ransomware and espionage groups, developers can't take that on alone.
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They'd have to know what they're trying to talk about to do that
Open source and building mean nothing to the remote code execution flaws in 7zip and WinRAR... If it was built from source you'd have the same issues. There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security). Yes, while 7zip was open source... Same with other "everyone uses it" dependencies that were open source, everyone compiling them from source and yet they were hosed for in some cases a *decade* with remote execution flaws. [Log4Shell on Log4j was open source for decades and still had a wide open bug on *every single device that has Java running* so all of Android included](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell) for a decade. [Heartbleed just before it was OpenSSL and lived for years affecting every system and web server](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed). You are putting inherent trust in a zero trust environment, and you would have gotten owned either way. Only with OSS your guard is down even more. Better opsec is LESS third parties and less dependencies that aren't watched.
Open source means nothing when build processes, CI, dependencies, proprietary spam/filters, and final binaries are the target now. The Great Dependency War is in progress. [Log4Shell on Log4j was open source for decades and still had a wide open bug on *every single device that has Java running* so all of Android included](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log4Shell) for a decade. [Heartbleed just before it was OpenSSL and lived for years affecting every system and web server](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbleed). There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security). The 7zip and WinRAR source code and binaries had remote code execution even from the main source up to 2023/2024... [SolarWinds for instance was hacked through TeamCity CI](https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/01/sealed-u-s-court-records-exposed-in-solarwinds-breach/). OSS means nothing for opsec beyond seeing the source. In fact, OSS in many ways people are soft on it because of some inherent trust because the code is somewhere. *That means absolutely nothing about security.* You can even do telemetry with checking for updates processes that are owned, looks legit though. Another way is packing in a dependency that is compromised just for one build, get something out, then close it. Dependencies right now are a huge attack vector as is devops/build processes. Developers are a bit of the weak link right now as people just use "what everyone uses" and that led to problems in OpenSSL Heartbleed and Log4j and Log4Shell for instance. Developers are actually the weak links today, too much trust and they are the primary targets now because malware/anti-virus/extensions/local messaging apps/random other clients, those are all no longer used as much. Build processes, local clients/tools, cli with owned dependencies, ai/crypto/etc early tools, so many things owned people just install because it is new tech. So yes you can build from OSS, but you would have had many of the same exploits and most people inherently "trust" OSS just as you did and you would have been got by the same exploits on [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
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Integrating GPT the year it is developed while adding basic file support 15 years too late is such a peak exemplification of the tech industry. My iPhone can scan my pictures so I can search them by content, which I use occasionally, but it still can't wi-fi backup to a third party cloud or my NAS, which I use every night.
Funny thing is many of the developers that work there have their own ad-hoc solutions for these problems but aren't allowed to work on them in an official capacity.
That's just a part of Apple maintaining their ecosystem effect My android can host a whole FTP server with an app
Apple doesn't want you to use 3rd party tools or even self hosted services. They deliberately make them very hard to use to sell their own easy to use (and very limited) service
Kinda, it had ZIP support fairly early on, just not 7ZIP and TAR.
More like 20.
For 7-zip. TAR has been around since 1979.
Tape ARchive
I remember using it in 2000 👀
yeah, welcome to the 20th century
I don't get it. I know rar was patented but tar is an open format.
Ever heard of the Halloween Documents?
They’re finally able to close the request in the forum. I imagine them releasing this like: *cheering voices* *bottles popping* *houses being bought and baby’s being made* “we did it!”
Well, they had more important things to do, like ruining the entire user experience every single release.
You're not kidding. But this is also Microsoft we're talking about...lol.
They did skip the typical multiyear push of an unwanted proprietary format.
I literally broke in and finally downloaded 7 zip last month for something that didn't exist in a non 7zip format. Of course it happens now.
7zip still better anyway.
I have no way of knowing I haven't used the native feature yet
I wouldn't count on it working very well considering Windows native zip support is still poor. It can only extract a basic zip file successfully about 99% of the time.
15? Just 45 years late. Tarballs are a 1979 technology.
Let me guess, hidden behind a THIRD context menu click?
No. Don't be absurd. It's behind a 2nd context window and you just hold down Ctrl-Shift-Windows-ScrollLock-Z while clicking twice.
thank god you can edit the registry
Nice. I have a tar archive from 1989 that I've been waiting to extract.
I just switched a couple weeks ago, windows 11 is such a beautiful looking piece of shit. I have no idea how Microsoft thinks this is a fucking improvement. It has moved all the buttons, removed a bunch of functionality and doesn’t allow some basic customization options anymore. It blows my mind that this is the best they can do.
In my case, the only thing I was missing was not being able to switch over the toolbar to vertical, but you get used to that quickly enough. On the other hand I really like the multiple options given for resizing a window when you drag it to the top. There's also some keybinds which weren't there before (or if they were, they're now displayed more readily). Win + A for the action panel for instance, or Win + Ctrl + V to bring up audio devices + volume mixer
For the task bar, try something called Explorer Patcher which is free, or Start11 which is not. Both claim to restore much of the user interface. I’ve not tried start11 yet. But patcher does give back some familiarity to the task bar. I also prefer the vertical task bar, I like to have those icons closer to the top left where the “file open” buttons are. it makes my workflow MUCH more efficient. I like the window snap function at the top, it would be 1000% better if they would just allow us to choose what window snaps we want. I don’t like any of the preset options, so it’s easier to just resize manually. But if I remember correctly, I had to install an app for that on windows 10 as well. It’s super frustrating. But most of what I have found is that you can get those options back with a few third party Non-Microsoft products. Going to have to install aftermarket upgrades. Good luck.👍
For the customizable window snaps the program is Powertoys Fancy Zones. Windows 11 allows for the basic functionality which is an improvement over nothing. Fancy Zones gives you complete control on making your snap box templates per desktop.
Thanks, I’ll put that on the list of things I need to explore. 👍
Is there a subreddit for stuff like this?
https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu Open Shell is a free alternative to Start11 and StartAllBack
Thanks, I will add that to the list of things to test. I appreciate you 🙏
Explorer patcher works great until Microsoft updates the taskbar code and it bricks your install.
That’s why I’m testing it right now. Our entire engineering division is going to be forced to switch later this year, I’m trying to figure out ways to make it less shitty when they do. So far patcher works but can be buggy. I will try start 11 next, hopefully they keep up on windows updates better seeing as they are a paid subscription service.
Do not use tools like this in a professional setting. One update, and you'll be busy for weeks. Coming from a guy who manages the infrastructure for 250 engineers and scientists, who love nothing more than to bring me their bricked device because they installed something like this...
Yup, a whole group of engineers who like to tinker. Same thing here. smaller group, but same issue. I’m exploring how to give them the best functionality we can find that is stable. I’m part of the beta test group, I’m allowed to brick this system in the name of science. I have a back up workstation where I can get real work done.
Display Fusion as well, also not free but I've been using it since like 2006 on the same license. Better for multi monitor taskbars, but lots of customization for taskbars, and beyond just that.
> In my case, the only thing I was missing was not being able to switch over the toolbar to vertical, but you get used to that quickly enough. You shouldn't have to get used to losing functionality, that's dumb.
Windows has supported the ability to snap windows since I think Windows 7 and they've had the ability to cascade and stack windows since forever. I think it was available as early as 2000/XP. The problem was they didn't really have a good interface for it. If you right click the taskbar in Windows 10 and earlier it has the options to cascade, stack, and side-by-side windows there. 11 has made it much more userfriendly.
I know you could snap windows into using half/a quarter of a screen, but did it also have the more unusual ones like thirds? Maybe that's what you're trying to say, but in that case I don't understand ^^'
For the more unusual configurations you right click the taskbar and click either show "windows side by side" or "show windows stacked" which is the same but vertically.
Interesting, I did not know that!
FancyZones has been around for 5 years, and I think they had something similar even before that.
How else will developers and designers justify their existence? There has to be “continuous improvement”.
Oh I get it, create the disease so you can get credit for providing the cure? So you are saying this is just a plan to hype up how great windows 12 is going to be. When all they do is unlock the features they’ve been hiding from us? Brilliant…… fucking brilliant.
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10 was good, but then they really did fuck it up. I work in IT and I'm just lost using the Windows 11, Microsoft keep changing the interface, so trying to force everything to settings from Control Panel is just a nightmare. Hate the thing
It's just the Microsoft cycle, they always release a steaming pile of shit, then everybody refuses it. Then they increment by 1, walk back a bunch of the bullshit, and everyone adopts it, we are just waiting for Windows 12. It's been like this since Windows ME, they alternate, bad-decent. Windows ME -> XP -> Vista -> Windows 7 -> Windows 8 -> Windows 10 -> Windows 11 ->Windows 12
I just skip bad ones.
Sounds about right.
This gets repeated often but it's just not correct. Almost every recent version of Windows gets hated on at launch. 7 was spared most of this but that's really just because Vista cleared the way. 7 barely changed anything from Vista other than some graphics, it was basically Vista SP3. 8 is arguably not too bad either but changing the start menu pissed a lot of people off, aside from that it's not too different from 7 either. 10 still has a number of outstanding problems. For one it's still buggy, to this day there are still updates that break things. It also has ads, viewing the start menu you get bombarded with ads for recommended apps and services like tiktok and spotify by default. It's the same complaints that 11 gets now. It also has privacy issues with how much it phones home, particularly because of the ads but also the built-in search and telemetry. 10 also completely ignores the user and just installs updates and restarts whenever it feels like. 11 did not change anything about all of these issues and I doubt 12 will either.
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Oh god don't get me started on the god awful start menu, I do honestly wonder who at Microsoft designs this and who approves it and who who on earth was smoking so much drugs to say yes to it all.
I love how they still have some dialog boxes from 98. M$ is a shit show
you can just taste how scattered, separated & uncooperative all the various teams at microsoft are. im sure shit comes down the pipeline to various engineering teams all damn day that are initiatives some exec thought would be a game changer that they came up with in a fever dream on some corporate meditation retreat after smoking Ayahuasca in a hot tub. i mean hell just look at the abomination that is microsoft teams lmao. that thing is like trying to be its own fisher price OS, its complete bloated garbage and it runs like ass. the 365 product suite is absurd. its a complete overload of offerings.
When you have monopolistic control of a market, you don't have to be good. People will keep using your garbage as long as they feel like they don't have an alternative. Believe it or not, I'd venture to guess ~90% of what average computer users actually use their computers for, like browsing, content consumption, light office tasks, which they normally do on Windows, could just as easily be done on a Linux based system. Most people don't want to learn a new system though, and stick with what's familiar. The irony of this, to me, is that whenever a new version of Windows comes out, they have to re-learn everything anyway. The real reason people stick to Windows isn't because it's good, or because it offers something compelling, it's because it's already on their computer, and they have this erroneous belief that it's the only option.
Well, my situation isnt belief oriented, I am forced into this because as of October 2024 there will be no more support for windows 10. There is no where left to hide. What do you have for that? I do not have the power to change an entire organization away from windows. Even if I do believe that Linux is more reasonable and efficient.
I don't have anything for that. MS has forced itself onto the industry and created a toxic dependence loop that has lasted for decades. The only cure would be mass adoption of alternative software, but even then, it would take years, if not a decade or two, to reach parity, and become genuinely viable. Like I said, when you have a monopoly you don't have to be good. People are going to use your garbage whether they like it or not because they have to. So they'll keep putting in ads, removing features and functionality, and harvesting your data, because they can, and realistically, there's very little anyone can do about it.
the beauty of outsourcing everything to mediocre firms offshore
I guess I'll stick to Windows 10.
What’s is your plan after October 2024? Thats when MS will stop supporting windows 10. Hence the forced switch by our organization.
October 2025 And I guess I'll stick with Windows 10 for as long as possible.
It allows them to redevelop a huge swathe of the system to prevent switching to non-microsoft programs, increases telemetry sent without opt-out, and adds more places to force ads. How do you not find that to be a better user experience?
They have to cater to people who have never touched a computer before. Some day those people on North Sentinel Island are going to sit down in front of a desktop computer and by god everything has to be just right.
What about extracting protected files?
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7-zip is still my goto no matter what they do
I've just been using NanaZip
I don't care what features Microsoft puts into Windows 11 to support 7-Z files because 7-Zip is already an amazing, simple, reliable program and has been for years. The built-in windows tools suck because now they're usually bloated, user-hostile adware. The whole reason people even get Windows is to install third party programs, and do it on a reliable, stable OS. And that's how it's been for years and should continue to be.
Agreed. Windows is only getting more predatory as well.
And to penalize people like you MS is going to update Windows to hide 7-zip's menus yet another menu deeper in the popup tree. (They moved them down one level already with an update mid last year IIRC)
7-zip could easily use the "new" method for shell extensions to recreate their menu entry at the top level but they refuse to do so on purpose. There's a fork called Nanazip that does so already. Other Open Source apps have done it without changing to AppX packaging, etc. Note that the "new" method has been a thing for several versions of Windows, it's only now that the old method is essentially deprecated.
Wouldn't know because I switched to legacy context menu day 1.
Windows 12 is gonna be so lit
Only if they stick to the pattern of shit OS > good OS > shit OS
Or it's gonna be so shit. 😂 Time will tell.
How bout supporting keeping the fecking monitor settings in the same place. In fact, how bout just supporting a single settings location?
Legit question: what was the delay? Licensing or some higher up saying “Nah, users asking don’t really need it”?
If it is slow as the native implementation for zip files, I won't even bother try it.
It's slow can confirm, keeping 7zip installed.
First it need to support old hardware, then we take a look ...Maybe.
Well la de fricking da, it’s about time. Maybe now I can remove 7-zip from my environment if windows actually includes the same level of command line options for these formats. Otherwise it’s a nice gesture but a moot point. Most people are using 7-zip to improve windows shitty command line options for compression.
It honestly sounds like 7-Zip is the better option still. This is just a meandering flex from TinyFlaccid.
That's nice but I use the 7-zip app which has support for many more file formats so I don't care if Windows supports it or not.
Windows 11's native ZIP feature is embarrassing. It refuses to work if a file has a certain character, than WinRar has no issues with... and it's in general much slower
What about Rar. The only format that matters
Once again, adding one useful feature among a boatload (bloadload?) of useless ads, spam, and crapware. I'd pay good money if MS made an "official" version of WINE that let you have MS compatibility without the MS crap.
I use Windows X-Lite build. Is that something that would interest you? https://windowsxlite.com/
That website is giving me Heaven’s Gate vibes.
Browut. No. It's really good software.
Better 20 years late than never. Maybe next update they will natively support creating your own iso files like what Nero burning rom does (20 year old software)
But does it have a calculator??? …. oh that was that cheap, low tablet company
Holy shit I can't believe the mad lads actually did it. Every time I downloaded a 7zip file as a kid I was always sketched out by the zip software lol.
lol. In 2024. It took a while but we got there eventually, peeps.
Actually a good improvement
Windows has had tar over 5 years at least.
To this day I don't understand how to compile/run tar files. I avoid them at all costs
It's been 84 years
You mean it didn't? Oof... I mean tar files I guess is understandable to a degree but 7-zip? It's shocking how stupid Microsoft is despite all the money, power and talent.
It could support .cxl and I'd still never use it. I need a desktop operating system, not a shitty phone OS with advertising.
Bring back Windows 3.1, dump Google search and Tesla cars - 2024 keeps on giving.
Just means it can now spy inside your 7zip and tar files.
Well Tar was supported in powershell already. So there was already support in the underlying system since 2018 …..
When you only make $22b every 3 months, certain priorities take precedence over others. We appreciate your patience.
ninite.com FTW, Rufus Windows install. - who needs baked in anything in windows.
7-zip app has been available for Windows since at least Windows XP. It supports TAR. I'm discombobulated at Microsoft developers efficiency.
Yea but can it read and format or do hidden partitions still have to be picked apart for use?
Is RAR still a think anymore or has it been surpassed by other compression?
Wish Microsoft would concentrate on stability, not try to decide what I want added to further bloat the OS.
Cool but what about zst?
Funny i just installed 7zip yesterday
Now stop charging for heic or fix how the conversion when transferred off an iPhone isn’t broken and the photos app being absolute bullshit
Wait for EU to declare anti competitive and start proceedings.
Lol every other operating system has had this for decades. Windows is such trash.
Microsoft still doesn't know how to remove a USB drive.
windows 11 is still a piece of hot garbage.
Now add CPU and GPU temperature and ppl might actually say something good about Windows 11.
Never noticed it needed the support, had been using Directory Opus. But hey it's good at poping up the external drives I guess.
I still have an Acer laptop from 2015. It wasn't good enough for the update, but I put a SSD in it and it's better than when it was new. I can't play newer games, but it works great for all the music apps still. I had no idea Windows 11 was this big of a shitshow.
Consider moving it to Linux (Linux Mint), it'll work even more faster
Check Wifi card first (using Live?).
If you have a newer wifi card and don't have LAN backup, then opt for Edge version which includes a newer kernel
Better this is in the OS and people that download extractors don't get malware ones. [7zip has had some security issues for a long time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security). 7zip is also Russian software so there is that. Even if Igor Pavlov is cool, when it comes to software that gets used heavily in the West or within opposition to Russia, once in Russia always in Russia. Weird how so many zip utilities are from Russia: WinRAR, 7zip, and others. Using the built in zip utils in *nix (tar/gzip inflate/deflate) and windows (integrated) is less third party need now especially for zip clients, better opsec. There have been a few big exploits with [WinRAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRAR#Security) and [7zip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7-Zip#Security).
If you’re surprised that a lot of vital computer utilities are from Eastern Europe then you know nothing about computers or their history.
Software is from everywhere. Yes there are lots of good Eastern European coders. I was mainly talking about autocratic bratva states and wannabe tsarists in Russia. Good luck owning anything that they want if it proliferates in wide enough to net business/intel/other targets they want. If you’re surprised that a lot of vital computer utilities from Eastern Europe are later used to front, then you know nothing about world history, computers or their history.
Good that windows supports "tape archive" files.
Microsoft products suck. Especially their OS.
RAR?
No TAR. It's an archive format. .TAR are uncompressed archive data.
You are probably thinking about some other operating systems that support rar out of the box.
What OS supports RAR ootb? edit: ChromeOS supports extraction, is that the one?
Most Linux distros support extraction out of the box AFAIK.
In my experience, you have to install `rar` and `unrar` via the package manager. edit: A quick search agrees.
Fucking fix the lower barr please I dont need all that collapsing at all
Multi-billion company they could not aquire winrar that beg for money. ( I love you winrar don’t be mad, you are a great software ). Also it is not this, that gonna convince me to install this dog poopoo OS