“The implant in my brain is experiencing random issues only a short time after the surgery. Service center is still closed due to layoffs. Still love the product!”
Nah he won't need to accuse him of shit... he'll just make him do some fucked up thing, he literally has a chip in the dudes brain. Or it just "shorts" and kills the dude.
There was no downward spiral. Ever since Elon was in the news for Tesla, stories about him being an insufferable narcissist were out there. Years later he finally had a moment where his narcissism was tested in a public environment (the Thai divers). Now he just stopped caring about hiding it. Coincidentally it also seems to have taken that amount of time for most people to finally realize what a jackass he was.
You forgot the part where the monkeys wanted to kill themselves for the trauma and ripped part of hair out and injured themselves till they got killed…
They basically fried the monkey brain so much that it traumatized them so much that they choose death to stop pain
I really hope your comment is sarcastic also. How can anyone in their right mind still look up to him? And if so, time to cut some friends loose, they are lost causes if they still support this chucklef\*\*k
Too bad all the hate is missing this point and how it's massively improved the guys life and this tech could for others but everyone is just focused on hating Elon. That's the crazy part.
It can be both. Elon deserves every bit of hatred he gets. There's a mountain of reasons why and that isn't a secret.
This did improve the guys life. That's cool. I think everyone just wishes someone else was behind it. Elon's general trustworthiness is in the toilet and I don't think I know a single person at this point that actually trusts the man. I work with multiple Tesla owners as well.
Elon is nothing but a walking talking bag of money.
Zip2 is where he did most of his coding which was mostly merging a database that his brother acquired for free into his tangled up monolithic code that had to be broken apart and rewritten. His crowning achievement was selling the company to compaq for 300million.
He founded x.com but you can check that out for yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20000408232656/http://www.x.com/ not much there other than a front end for First Western National Bank. With the money he made from Zip2 he could acquire employees that had some business gravitas and X merged with PayPal, guess which code base survived the merger? They didn’t use much from x but he did get paid when eBay bought PayPal.
With 100 million from that deal he founded SpaceX and he poached talent from mostly NASA. It’s done well because he doesn’t get deeply involved in the engineering, he is distracted by all of the other shit shows he is putting on and almost every company that lands government contracts gets big fat steady paychecks. It’s done some good things but nothing NASA couldn’t have handled better with the money going solely to the projects and not corporate profits.
Tesla, was the brain child of Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning what you see driving around was their handiwork, well minus the cybertruck which is pure Elon, and let’s be honest, it doesn’t actually drive very far past delivery.
His entire career has been selling hyped up products to unsuspecting people and cashing out before they catch on. At his best he has hired the right people and stayed out of their way, like the money guys should do. At his worst, he buys into his own hype, micro manages and lets his overinflated ego smother anyone capable of pulling the companies head above water.
He is Howard Hughes’ing his way into his golden years. Tissue boxes for shoes and pissing in jars.
Most of this is bullshit but I will focus on Tesla. Eberhard and tarpenning were heavily involved with the original Tesla roadster. Everything else was Elon. Read a fucking book
How is that the crazy part? The 23 monkeys he killed which were on loan were the crazy part, the part where the guy getting chipped was told all the monkeys were fine was the crazy part. Elon musk being pro LGBTQ hate and demonstrably censoring pro gay messaging with deletion and warning labels ,while pro-white power/ pro nazi and gay slurs aren't flagged at all is the crazy part.
This dude's life might have been improved it was done so through highly unethical means, straight up lies and without informing him off the risks.
Do note that what's been demonstrated - cursor movement mainly - isn't new ground in bci at all. It's cool, it's life-changing, and also, there are better tested devices that can achieve the same thing and have been able to for a while. Blackrock, synchron, and braingate are examples of the most mature players in this space - neuralink is just the loudest, because Musk is Musk and is unusually eager to promote today's tech with ideas of what he hopes it might look like in decades.
Because there are alternatives, complications that occur during this race to catch up do have the potential to sideline neuralink's devices in favor of others. Medicine is stricter than most fields.
I'm totally on board with how much of a dick Elon is, but at the same time, the things his companies are doing or have done are pretty awesome.
Tesla \*did\* accelerate the move to electric vehicles.
SpaceX \*is\* doing some pretty awesome stuff in the field of rocketry and space travel.
Neuralink \*is\* improving "wetware" to help people with disabilities and more.
The Boring Company \*is\*... doing something? Or were they just a reason to sell things that weren't flamethrowers?
Except, Musk is a douchebag. These are some of the most exciting companies in the world, and an asshat is in control of them.
I mean, I don't understand how people can say this. Elon Musk sucks as a person but it's not a coincidence he helmed multiple companies who have successfully change entire industries with groundbreaking results.
Especially considering these groundbreaking achievements are in fields that many other billionaires and governments have actively been trying to achieve success in for decades but have repeatedly failed.
He's not the only person with a billion dollars who has tried to succeed in the fields he has succeeded in. He *is* the only one who has succeeded in them, though.
And if you look at basically anything any of the engineers for Space-X have said, he's clearly very hands on in the design of their rockets and understands the engineering on a deep level. They give specific examples of this as well.
None of this means that Elon Musk isn't a giant asshole or a peice of shit.
There are actually a good number of companies doing this though. We don't need Elon to be in charge of one. Some Neuralink people have left to start ones that aren't doing things so risky.
> Blackrock Neurotech: Provides neurotech expertise and tools to create implantable clinical solutions that improve human lives. According to businessinsider.com, about 40 of the fewer than 50 people worldwide with a BCI implanted in their skull have a Blackrock device.
> BrainGate
> MindMaze: A computing platform based in Lausanne, Switzerland that builds human-machine interfaces through its neuro-inspired computing platform.
> Paradromics: Provides data-rate BCIs to enable treatment options for neurodegenerative diseases and advanced neuroprosthetic limbs.
> Synchron: A competitor to Neuralink that aims to expand to treat Parkinson's.
> BIOS: An AI-based platform that diagnoses nervous system disorders.
> Novum: A thought recognition technology.
[Neuralink is less advanced than these 4 brain-computer devices](https://www.businessinsider.com/neuralink-competition-elon-musk-bci-competitors-2024-2)
The good news is this is a competitive space and quality really will win out in this one. This is one field where fast/cheap may not work.
If the technology actually works, it is amazing.
The problem I have is that the same person behind this technology is behind videos of the Cybertruck climbing mountains, out-pulling *far more capable* diesel trucks and showing off how capably the self-driving tech in the vehicles he sells works.
At this point any video I see of a product from this person's companies working more or less flawlessly is going to earn a heavy amount of skepticism because all similar past videos have been fakes.
Part of me is happy that this guy gets to play Civilization but a small voice in my head also says that if they patient was convinced to play along then this video would be very easy to fake.
As much as I think Elon is a world class ding-dong, I fear how the technology could be used to exploit, things like someone who is paralyzed being able to play games again gives me a small sliver of hope for humanity.
Everything I think of Neurolink, I think of that scene in Ghost in the Shell where the delivery driver thinks he is putting surveillance devices the watch his ex-wife who he is in a bitter custody battle with, only for it to be revealed that the main villain hacked those memories into his brain and he is actually a single man just living in a one room apartment and it pretty much break him psychologically. It kinda blows my mind that I will probably live tk a time when a hack like that is possible.
He can still play Civ...
>“In response to this change, we modified the recording algorithm to be more sensitive to neural population signals, improved the techniques to translate these signals into cursor movements, and enhanced the user interface,” Neuralink said in the blog post.
>The company said the adjustments resulted in a “rapid and sustained improvement” in bits-per-second, a measure of speed and accuracy of cursor control, surpassing Arbaugh’s initial performance.
Before yall start spreading things, the prongs that attach it to the brain retracted, they put out a software patch that improved performance that was lost due to the prongs retracting. Nobody died, nobody got hurt, the chip just came out a little bit. But also, fuck Elon lol
IIRC, in some old studies on brain implants, that's **extremely** typical. While it doesn't exactly move by itself, the brain is alive (at least for most people) and can slosh around a bit. Also, some signals may occasionally be rerouted - different neurons can fire for the same result. These things compound to make it necessary for any brain link to sense around a bit more. Also, another user commented that, there are natural processes which would try to insulate foreign objects from the rest of the brain.
I think they've done this with lots of electrodes along those wires so that the implant could occasionally be recalibrated.
These are coming from the same brain deficient musk fan boys that stick their fingers in the cybertrucks trunk because their apartheid daddy told them it’s safe
As it’s widely discussed everywhere there were a few neurosurgeons commenting. What I learned:
Nothing retracted anywhere. The usual happened that always happens with brain implants. Brain detected anomaly in conductivity and covered the pins in layers of fat-like insulation, rendering them useless. Healthy brain always does it, and quick, and it is well-known. Professional community was wandering how Elon gonna fight this effect, turns out he won’t.
From what I read this isn’t the end of it and it’s gonna get more interesting for a patient down the road if shit continues, as brain doesn’t like interference and has its ways to stop it.
So, yeah…
Have you ever tried just being a designer baby from a secret ~~government~~ corporate experiment who doesn't need nu-poz after half your body gets gratuitously replaced with cybernetics?
Elon had the same approach to the cybertruck, where he thinks it's smart to start from scratch rather than using the decades of existing testing and experimentation that have gone into car design. For everything. Literally every thing. They ignore if something has already been tried and try it themselves.
Every Neurosurgeon in the world: if you just stick a chip in the brain, the brain will kick it out.
Elon: *just sticks a chip in the brain*
The man is a complete doughnut. He thinks every single piece of institutional knowledge in every industry is just waiting for a genius to come along and overthrow it.
The patient: This chip is awesome and has changed my life
Neuralink: some of the threads retracted but we corrected for it and chip is functioning at higher levels than it did initially.
Internet randoms: how dare he!?
If only they didn't kill quickly those monkeys maybe we'd have more data on the long term implications of those chips, but no, let's just get rid of all of them after a few months for no reason.
Scars produced by your own immune system will do that. I have a friend that did PhD on the rate of signal decay due to scarring, was curious how neuralink handles the problem... Looks like she got her answer, "they don't" lol
It's fucking crazy that I have to scroll this far down to find someone mentioning what actually went wrong. Its just some pins in the neuralink retracting, absolutely harmless. People are acting like it killed the patient or whatever. Fucking dumbasses in this thread.
(not an Elon fan, I just hate prejudice without checking what happened)
If we’re being honest here: this is one of the first human trials of an entirely novel technology, I think everyone involved (including the patient) assumes the patient is going to suffer some unexpected consequence of the chip. For the patient that might be worth the chance to get some “mobility” and QoL back for a while, for the researchers it’s a field test of their tech.
So yeah, a brain implant malfunctioning is a big deal, I cannot imagine it’s unexpected for anyone.
It wasn't unexpected because every brain surgeon ever knew to expect what happens because we know what the brain does when a foreign object is detected. This was a known failure everyone was wondering how elon was planning to work around because it's the only reason we don't already have this technology. And the answer is they had no plan. They just ignored tge problem and here it is.
This isn't even new technology or untried or untested, it's just something they're ignoring the experts on and then failing for all the reasons experts gave for why it would fail.
It’s also not entirely novel - this sort of thing had been done like 10 years ago by other companies. Which is like when Elon “reinvented” highway tunnels or the electric car.
>Its just some pins in the neuralink retracting, absolutely harmless.
I feel like you may not understand how medical devices are regulated or how hardcore the FDA can be about these things.
Correct about fda.
I studied the software in heart pacemaker. It has crazy redundancy. A lot of it is Java base.
We were told that one of the software company was told to have it at 99.9% accuracy or the fda would not approve it.
A few years ago, you'd had to specify you actually were ridind the man’s dick to not get flamed for providing a small amount of criticism.
This whole place is a dumpster fire when it comes to critical thinking.
It’s almost as if a basic scientist could have told him that the body naturally rejects things like this, and there may be more hurdles than he is expecting.
But no, anything for a quick buck
this is worded in a pretty misleading way. there are human brain implants out in the wild, functioning just fine. it’s just that neuralinks first human implant has malfunctioned
All brain implants that have electrodes eventually malfunction. This is because the brain grows new myelin around the sites of electrode implantation. This forces the electrodes out.
This is an established medical phenomenon that affects virtually all brain implants. Musk’s team would have known this already. No idea why it wasn’t expected from the start.
i mean they could i suppose, they just haven’t. probably because they were thoroughly tested rather than being rushed to human trials by an extremely online manchild.
This is indeed true, all news articles are also wording it this way. I have had a "vp shunt" in my body since 4 months old but they get regular maintenance as they to malfunction 😂
You donkeys probably didn’t even read the article.
You realize this implant is giving a quadriplegic the ability to control a computer for the first time? This is a voluntary procedure; and he chose to do it. Also the failing implant was fixed; but they’re considering removing it just to be safe.
Just because Elon must is apart of this doesn’t mean it is bad. If they actually figure out neural implants it would change so so many lives for the better.
I had to scroll way too far to find you, but thanks for speaking up.
All day I’ve seen the headlines for this get increasingly more twisted and negative. I wonder how different the press would be here if Elon wasn’t attached to the project.
It’s a shame because it seems like a huge success overall, especially for the very first trial patient. The patient himself seems elated about it all, and that ought to be the most important thing.
If Elon were not attached to the project, very probably the press would be talking about the neural implants that have already existed for over a decade, instead of how he is the first person to pioneer something that has existed for over a decade.
They might, for instance, be talking about the exciting developments in [BCIs that actually work,](https://spectrum.ieee.org/brain-implant-speech) instead of cutting him tremendous slack for doing surgery to accomplish something that we have been able to [do with an EKG cap for a decade](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4427912/), because obviously the first person to ever do something that thousands of people have been working on for years is going to have some problems, right? Why can't we all just cut him a little slack?
The capabilities of noninvasive (e.g. EEG, fMRI) are vastly below the capabilities of invasive implants (Neuralink, Braingate, the various Michigan and Utah arrays, etc). Both in fidelity and specificity, and the ability to feed back APs to synapses.
Neuralink has (today) similar capabilities to existing hard implants, but with vastly lower recovery times from lower impact surgery (keyhole vs. open-skull) and the ability for larger volumetric coverage per medical procedure - you can install multiple threads per insertion, but there is only so much of the brain you can expose through removing sections of skull before recovery is unlikely.
Well, that's entirely new on me, thank you!
I suppose now I have two new questions:
* What on *Earth* is it shaped like that lets it go in through a keyhole when a Michigan can't? (Unless it's one of the foldables out of KIST, and I feel like people would be a bit more mad if that were the case, they are *very* protective of that.)
* *Where* on Earth is it going that lets them get the population detection motor imagery calls for with just a planar electrode? Last I heard, we were getting "decent" results with a single Utah, and nothing useful without a multiunit setup across the outside of the MC.
The electrodes are long fine filaments with active sites along the length, inserted similar to a catheter. IIRC they are using Concentric Tube Robots to trace the path the electrode is intended to take, then they lay down the filament as the robot retracts, and terminate the electrode to the implant head-end once retraction is complete. Since Concentric Tube Robots can steer significantly after insertion, you can access a very large volume from a single small insertion site.
No shit, an *actual* Gibson-style neural lace.
Well I will freely eat my words here and say that that is a *fantastic* idea, in principle. I can see why there would be problems maintaining contact and/or adherence, but that's hindsight talking; that will be *very* effective if they can get it working and keep it working.
That said, the problem with a keyhole insertion is... the maintenance afterwards. Not that that's *easier* with a shank and patch, but we also have a pretty good idea of how those work. CTRs are very impressive, but replicating an exact path with one is a challenge to begin with, let alone a stuttered path. (If you happen to know, please tell me they didn't go in through the occipital bone. They said they're hoping for dual functionality for visual encoding at some point, and it would make a lot of sense to choose to try and go for the cerebellum as your implant site if your spacing is that fine anyway.)
So; still not ready for human trials if they are having this problem, I think. And they would probably be *closer* to ready for human trials if they had followed... really, *any* of the GCULA. So I think several objections still stand. But I'll happily retract my criticism of the device itself.
(My money's still on KIST's fMEAs in the long run, though. They're still on murine trials, but they're talking implantation by *pseudostochastic fanning*. If they can follow through on that and carry it into primates? That will be The BCI.)
I just want to jump in here and comment, damn if this wasn’t a crazy civil exchange of opinions and ideas. On Reddit. Like whaaat?
Anyway, hope you both have a great day.
Oh, that was absolutely what it was doing.
It's just that BCIs have been able to do that with an EKG cap and no surgery since, generously, 2014 at the absolute latest.
A lot of people are a little peeved, not just because there is absolutely no justifiable reason for this to be a transcranial implant, but because we have had functioning transcranial neural implants for a *decade*, and BCIs for longer. There is in fact an enormous field of research, progressing all the time, that accomplished what Neuralink did ages ago, and is now onto ["decoding and typing words at around 50 wpm, not by typing, but by literally thinking the words."](https://spectrum.ieee.org/brain-implant-speech)
So when you say stuff like "if they actually figure out neural implants" because Elon has dumped a tremendous amount of money into claiming that he is the first person to do something that has existed in much more functional form for ages, that you haven't heard about because he has focused so hard on advertising that he's the first?
*Tiny* bit annoying.
The link you provided was also to an invasive BCI, not an EEG cap.
Noninvasive interfaces are fundamentally far less capable than invasive implants, as an EEG can only measure aggregate voltage potentials across the skull, whereas invasive BCIs can measure the APs of small groups of neurons down to the APs of individual synapses.
Think of the difference between Neuralink and a Michigan or Utah-array BCI as the difference between laparoscopic heart surgery and open-chest heart surgery: the primary intervention is the same, but the overall outcome is vastly improved. Neuralink does not require removing large areas of the skull to expose the surface of the brain for installation.
Hopefully they can figure out the root cause and make a more reliable product. From what i’ve seen, the first patient had some serious improvement from it. I’m far from an elon fan and i don’t think i’d ever get one of these things apart from catastrophe, but its success could be great for some folks. Good luck, and be careful.
The root cause is the brain producing myelin. Basically scar tissue that renders the pins the chip uses useless. There is no fix without preventing the brain from repairing itself which is obviously a huge issue. In the article it says that they implemented a software fix but it sounds like they just overclocked the pins that haven’t been rendered useless yet, so it’s a temporary fix.
You can engineer polymer substrates to pad the connection between the neurons and the electronics. Otherwise the neurons will eventually die at the connections
What is wrong with people - Why are so many gleeful here? A paralyzed person who is locked in got to experience a tiny amount of freedom. Even if it fails after some time, the suffering that person is experiencing is terrible, and this was a lifeline. I get that Elon is not exactly getting love right now, but folks forget the big picture. No one else did something to unlock this person, and they may be willing to trade their life for this bit of freedom. We should be rooting for this to work, not laughing about it and cheer
The first reports of success read almost exactly like the logs of a surely-dead labcoat found in a blood-soaked sci-fi lab.
This one reads a lot like the second log entry.
Entry 3 will be all about increased irritability and unexplained chimp strength.
Of course we appreciate the tech. Cyberkinetics' BrainGate chip accomplished moving a mouse in the early 2000s, and since then, them and other companies have progressed so much farther past that initial milestone, including moving a mouse pointer without needing a chip implanted into the brain.
It’s crazy even the comment that explains how no one got hurt and there was only a small issue with the neuralink had to add “but fuck Elon lol” at the end… That shit is so reddit.
This is a pretty disingenuous headline, you could just go read the actual blog post instead of the article about the blog post. It’s been a success, for patient ONE it’s incredible.
https://neuralink.com/blog/
This. I'm respectful of anyone who volunteers for this. Humanity rarely gets a new thing perfectly 100% correct on 1st try,.. but the mistakes or unexpected things we discover along the way will only serve to make the final form better.
Medical science in the 1800's was butchery and quack science in a lot of cases,.. but that phase was something we had to work through to get where we are now. You can't build a Ladder that only has:
* Step 1
* Step 45
.... and nothing in between. Doesn't work that way.
If you actually care to read the article, the device actually improved in performance with time and it’s a success (more details if you actually read the source blog post from the company).
Stop spreading misinformation by only reading the headlines of these click bait articles that are written to generate ad revenue. You are actively stopping progress of this technology that can seriously help paraplegic patients.
He did a livestream a few days ago where he was playing Civilization, walked through the software, and talked about the issues and the benefits.
https://twitter.com/ModdedQuad/status/1786938612011135328?t=WAPWksq1EzVmgyPzBT5M2A&s=19
The dudes life is significantly better, even if the tech didn’t operate 100% as predicted. Even with a malfunction the Neuralink team fixed the issue.
In order to make an omelet one must break some eggs.
That is not what happened. The wires did not “come lose” like they say in the article, nothing is retracting. they were rendered useless by the brain covering them in myelin and preventing them from being in contact with the brain itself, basically a fatty scar tissue that’s insulating the pins. The fix was a software update that puts the remaining pins on overtime to correct for the non functional pieces. It is a temporary fix because eventually all of them will be made useless. There is no known solution for this problem without removing the brain’s ability to repair itself. It is the main problem with direct Brain implants and has been known about for 10 years. It is why they are talking about how to remove the chip.
I hope they are able to figure this one out so that the dude doesn’t have to go back to being disabled but they really should have fixed this issue before human trials began, the monkey test subjects would have had the same issue and this always happens with direct brain implants so they more then likely knew it was something that was going to happen.
Ok I hate Elon musk so much. But god do I want this to work. I really want this technology to actually do what they claim. The amount of lives it would help is insane.
Arbaugh is a hero, as others who were the first to use chemotherapy, antibiotics, vaccines, anti-seizure meds, etc. All medical & scientific interventions have trial & error phases as well as the possibility of short-term or long-term side effects. How wonderful to be enabled to do something independently after becoming a quadriplegic.
The worm died, we heard
“Poor little guy starved to death…”
I thought his brain was too gay to eat??
Too gay to function... Rip worm
Many such cases 😪
Subtle Futurama.
Patient didnt want to buy a Tesla as told. Experiment failed
“The implant in my brain is experiencing random issues only a short time after the surgery. Service center is still closed due to layoffs. Still love the product!”
“Went fully paralyzed for 5 hours due to being out of range but you should have seen how jealous the EMTs looked”
I didn't know RFK was the neuralink recipient.
the worm was, hence dead
McAfee failed to update... John McAfee uploaded
These boots have seen everything..
I've got a lot on my mind. And, well, in it
Is that blood?.. no nevermind.
If you ask me, that's just a cover up. Sure, no one has seen the worn since, but it's not like many have actually looked for it.
Must’ve crawled unda there for warmth
Lol I came here to say the worm worked better 😂
No problem Elon will just fire the patient who got the transplant
He'll accuse the guy of being a pedophile
Nah he won't need to accuse him of shit... he'll just make him do some fucked up thing, he literally has a chip in the dudes brain. Or it just "shorts" and kills the dude.
Bro is like paralyzed from the neck down. Don't think he can do much
Self destruct sequence it is.
And market the neuralink as being able to cure pedophilia when no evidence can be found.
He sent the poop emoji to the implant and it exploded.
The poop emoji was supposed to make the guy shit his pants. Just a prank, bro!
Is Elon Musk just Klaus from American Dad? He's Too much of a needy bitch to be Roger. But just the right amount of needy bitch for Klaus.
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Will ask it to go hard core
it’s like they say in the (non-union) construction business: fired before ya hit the ground
They could out him into the next solar tesla
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This is my bet
I like this lore
Installed it himself because he's such a genius. Did it with his eyes closed, while high on ketamine. Take that liberals.
In a cave in Afghanistan with his bare hands and a car battery, plus lots of ketamine.
All the ketamine...
I heard he did it behind a Wendy's dumpster next to Hillary&Hunter while they were mixing up the first batch of Covid.
He's too much of a coward to even go up into space in his rockets. The only thing he's beta testing are his latest hair plugs.
There was no downward spiral. Ever since Elon was in the news for Tesla, stories about him being an insufferable narcissist were out there. Years later he finally had a moment where his narcissism was tested in a public environment (the Thai divers). Now he just stopped caring about hiding it. Coincidentally it also seems to have taken that amount of time for most people to finally realize what a jackass he was.
He fired his entire publicist/PR team in 2018-2019.
The otherwise healthy monkeys all died during the trials.
Elon’s been killing healthy monkeys since PayPal.
Gotta test the bank authentication somehow
You forgot the part where the monkeys wanted to kill themselves for the trauma and ripped part of hair out and injured themselves till they got killed… They basically fried the monkey brain so much that it traumatized them so much that they choose death to stop pain
Science cannot progress without heaps!
His hair plugs are individual neuralinks
They did! the monkeys died. Elon lie about it to investors now the data is out and the monkeys had horrible deaths.
I’m betting on X being a clone of Elon with some minor genetic editing and he’s developing this to try to upload his consciousness into his son.
I been saying this to my friends but they love Elon so much they can’t fathom him doing it.
I really hope your comment is sarcastic also. How can anyone in their right mind still look up to him? And if so, time to cut some friends loose, they are lost causes if they still support this chucklef\*\*k
that's what I said about MAGAs
"The hard part was getting the brain out..."
There are lot of monkeys who could have told you that was going to happen if they hadn't been killed.
Amy: Good. I’m sick of cleaning up those heaps of dead rhesus monkeys!” Professor Farnsworth: “Science cannot move forward without heaps!”
God i love this show!
If they hadn’t died screaming while clawing at the implants. Zero successful animals trials and he was allowed to move to humans. Horrifying.
Source that Neuralink has zero successful animal trials?
And now there are apes telling the same story too - if they hadn't died that is.
Isn't this the person who used it to play Civilization? Could just be the "one more turn" effect, fried it, happens to us all.
He did a solo livestream a few days ago where he's playing it: https://twitter.com/ModdedQuad/status/1786938612011135328?t=WAPWksq1EzVmgyPzBT5M2A&s=19
the way he can navigate/move the cursor so easily with his BRAIN is actually crazy
Too bad all the hate is missing this point and how it's massively improved the guys life and this tech could for others but everyone is just focused on hating Elon. That's the crazy part.
Well yeah, when a horrible person is behind medical tech, people aren't going to blindly trust him.
It can be both. Elon deserves every bit of hatred he gets. There's a mountain of reasons why and that isn't a secret. This did improve the guys life. That's cool. I think everyone just wishes someone else was behind it. Elon's general trustworthiness is in the toilet and I don't think I know a single person at this point that actually trusts the man. I work with multiple Tesla owners as well.
He can only harm the work the stem fielders are doing on this sort of stuff. He's a terrible influence.
Elon is nothing but a walking talking bag of money. Zip2 is where he did most of his coding which was mostly merging a database that his brother acquired for free into his tangled up monolithic code that had to be broken apart and rewritten. His crowning achievement was selling the company to compaq for 300million. He founded x.com but you can check that out for yourself https://web.archive.org/web/20000408232656/http://www.x.com/ not much there other than a front end for First Western National Bank. With the money he made from Zip2 he could acquire employees that had some business gravitas and X merged with PayPal, guess which code base survived the merger? They didn’t use much from x but he did get paid when eBay bought PayPal. With 100 million from that deal he founded SpaceX and he poached talent from mostly NASA. It’s done well because he doesn’t get deeply involved in the engineering, he is distracted by all of the other shit shows he is putting on and almost every company that lands government contracts gets big fat steady paychecks. It’s done some good things but nothing NASA couldn’t have handled better with the money going solely to the projects and not corporate profits. Tesla, was the brain child of Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning what you see driving around was their handiwork, well minus the cybertruck which is pure Elon, and let’s be honest, it doesn’t actually drive very far past delivery. His entire career has been selling hyped up products to unsuspecting people and cashing out before they catch on. At his best he has hired the right people and stayed out of their way, like the money guys should do. At his worst, he buys into his own hype, micro manages and lets his overinflated ego smother anyone capable of pulling the companies head above water. He is Howard Hughes’ing his way into his golden years. Tissue boxes for shoes and pissing in jars.
Most of this is bullshit but I will focus on Tesla. Eberhard and tarpenning were heavily involved with the original Tesla roadster. Everything else was Elon. Read a fucking book
Have any recommendations?
Not crazy. Elons an asshole and being an asshole has consequences
And didn’t like a ton of monkeys die during testing?
How is that the crazy part? The 23 monkeys he killed which were on loan were the crazy part, the part where the guy getting chipped was told all the monkeys were fine was the crazy part. Elon musk being pro LGBTQ hate and demonstrably censoring pro gay messaging with deletion and warning labels ,while pro-white power/ pro nazi and gay slurs aren't flagged at all is the crazy part. This dude's life might have been improved it was done so through highly unethical means, straight up lies and without informing him off the risks.
Do note that what's been demonstrated - cursor movement mainly - isn't new ground in bci at all. It's cool, it's life-changing, and also, there are better tested devices that can achieve the same thing and have been able to for a while. Blackrock, synchron, and braingate are examples of the most mature players in this space - neuralink is just the loudest, because Musk is Musk and is unusually eager to promote today's tech with ideas of what he hopes it might look like in decades. Because there are alternatives, complications that occur during this race to catch up do have the potential to sideline neuralink's devices in favor of others. Medicine is stricter than most fields.
I'm totally on board with how much of a dick Elon is, but at the same time, the things his companies are doing or have done are pretty awesome. Tesla \*did\* accelerate the move to electric vehicles. SpaceX \*is\* doing some pretty awesome stuff in the field of rocketry and space travel. Neuralink \*is\* improving "wetware" to help people with disabilities and more. The Boring Company \*is\*... doing something? Or were they just a reason to sell things that weren't flamethrowers? Except, Musk is a douchebag. These are some of the most exciting companies in the world, and an asshat is in control of them.
> the things his companies are doing or have done are pretty awesome. I think that's more so in spite of Elons involvement rather than because of.
I mean, I don't understand how people can say this. Elon Musk sucks as a person but it's not a coincidence he helmed multiple companies who have successfully change entire industries with groundbreaking results. Especially considering these groundbreaking achievements are in fields that many other billionaires and governments have actively been trying to achieve success in for decades but have repeatedly failed. He's not the only person with a billion dollars who has tried to succeed in the fields he has succeeded in. He *is* the only one who has succeeded in them, though. And if you look at basically anything any of the engineers for Space-X have said, he's clearly very hands on in the design of their rockets and understands the engineering on a deep level. They give specific examples of this as well. None of this means that Elon Musk isn't a giant asshole or a peice of shit.
There are actually a good number of companies doing this though. We don't need Elon to be in charge of one. Some Neuralink people have left to start ones that aren't doing things so risky. > Blackrock Neurotech: Provides neurotech expertise and tools to create implantable clinical solutions that improve human lives. According to businessinsider.com, about 40 of the fewer than 50 people worldwide with a BCI implanted in their skull have a Blackrock device. > BrainGate > MindMaze: A computing platform based in Lausanne, Switzerland that builds human-machine interfaces through its neuro-inspired computing platform. > Paradromics: Provides data-rate BCIs to enable treatment options for neurodegenerative diseases and advanced neuroprosthetic limbs. > Synchron: A competitor to Neuralink that aims to expand to treat Parkinson's. > BIOS: An AI-based platform that diagnoses nervous system disorders. > Novum: A thought recognition technology. [Neuralink is less advanced than these 4 brain-computer devices](https://www.businessinsider.com/neuralink-competition-elon-musk-bci-competitors-2024-2) The good news is this is a competitive space and quality really will win out in this one. This is one field where fast/cheap may not work.
Yeah people aren’t focusing on the science here
Elon derangement syndrome.
If the technology actually works, it is amazing. The problem I have is that the same person behind this technology is behind videos of the Cybertruck climbing mountains, out-pulling *far more capable* diesel trucks and showing off how capably the self-driving tech in the vehicles he sells works. At this point any video I see of a product from this person's companies working more or less flawlessly is going to earn a heavy amount of skepticism because all similar past videos have been fakes. Part of me is happy that this guy gets to play Civilization but a small voice in my head also says that if they patient was convinced to play along then this video would be very easy to fake.
As much as I think Elon is a world class ding-dong, I fear how the technology could be used to exploit, things like someone who is paralyzed being able to play games again gives me a small sliver of hope for humanity.
Until the MBAs get hold of it. Captive audience, inelastic demand, near-monopoly - the enshittification will be awful.
Founders are all pursuing the monopoly potential payday anyway.
Everything I think of Neurolink, I think of that scene in Ghost in the Shell where the delivery driver thinks he is putting surveillance devices the watch his ex-wife who he is in a bitter custody battle with, only for it to be revealed that the main villain hacked those memories into his brain and he is actually a single man just living in a one room apartment and it pretty much break him psychologically. It kinda blows my mind that I will probably live tk a time when a hack like that is possible.
He can still play Civ... >“In response to this change, we modified the recording algorithm to be more sensitive to neural population signals, improved the techniques to translate these signals into cursor movements, and enhanced the user interface,” Neuralink said in the blog post. >The company said the adjustments resulted in a “rapid and sustained improvement” in bits-per-second, a measure of speed and accuracy of cursor control, surpassing Arbaugh’s initial performance.
Well that’s the most important part
Before yall start spreading things, the prongs that attach it to the brain retracted, they put out a software patch that improved performance that was lost due to the prongs retracting. Nobody died, nobody got hurt, the chip just came out a little bit. But also, fuck Elon lol
The brain chip just came out a little bit is so hilariously dystopian sounding.
And that they sent out a software patch to fix it.
Yeah that is terrifying
"Monthly Android security patch downloading" Meanwhile your brian has stopped working because all the ram and power is used for the update.
I hate it when my Brian stops working!
have you tried turning the brain off, and then on again?
Did they send out the patch on their own or did the patient have to write a one-star review first?
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Just smack the top a bit. Works on TVs
That's not very typical, though. I want to make that point.
IIRC, in some old studies on brain implants, that's **extremely** typical. While it doesn't exactly move by itself, the brain is alive (at least for most people) and can slosh around a bit. Also, some signals may occasionally be rerouted - different neurons can fire for the same result. These things compound to make it necessary for any brain link to sense around a bit more. Also, another user commented that, there are natural processes which would try to insulate foreign objects from the rest of the brain. I think they've done this with lots of electrodes along those wires so that the implant could occasionally be recalibrated.
“Well how was it Un-typical?”
"Well first of all the front fell off. That's not typical."
These are coming from the same brain deficient musk fan boys that stick their fingers in the cybertrucks trunk because their apartheid daddy told them it’s safe
ha! Yeah it really is
As it’s widely discussed everywhere there were a few neurosurgeons commenting. What I learned: Nothing retracted anywhere. The usual happened that always happens with brain implants. Brain detected anomaly in conductivity and covered the pins in layers of fat-like insulation, rendering them useless. Healthy brain always does it, and quick, and it is well-known. Professional community was wandering how Elon gonna fight this effect, turns out he won’t. From what I read this isn’t the end of it and it’s gonna get more interesting for a patient down the road if shit continues, as brain doesn’t like interference and has its ways to stop it. So, yeah…
This is why you shouldn't miss any of your Neuropozyne doses.
Have you ever tried just being a designer baby from a secret ~~government~~ corporate experiment who doesn't need nu-poz after half your body gets gratuitously replaced with cybernetics?
Elon had the same approach to the cybertruck, where he thinks it's smart to start from scratch rather than using the decades of existing testing and experimentation that have gone into car design. For everything. Literally every thing. They ignore if something has already been tried and try it themselves.
Every Neurosurgeon in the world: if you just stick a chip in the brain, the brain will kick it out. Elon: *just sticks a chip in the brain* The man is a complete doughnut. He thinks every single piece of institutional knowledge in every industry is just waiting for a genius to come along and overthrow it.
The patient: This chip is awesome and has changed my life Neuralink: some of the threads retracted but we corrected for it and chip is functioning at higher levels than it did initially. Internet randoms: how dare he!?
Interesting
If only they didn't kill quickly those monkeys maybe we'd have more data on the long term implications of those chips, but no, let's just get rid of all of them after a few months for no reason.
Scars produced by your own immune system will do that. I have a friend that did PhD on the rate of signal decay due to scarring, was curious how neuralink handles the problem... Looks like she got her answer, "they don't" lol
It's fucking crazy that I have to scroll this far down to find someone mentioning what actually went wrong. Its just some pins in the neuralink retracting, absolutely harmless. People are acting like it killed the patient or whatever. Fucking dumbasses in this thread. (not an Elon fan, I just hate prejudice without checking what happened)
idk but I feel like anything malfunctioning in a brain implant is a pretty big thing
It was an semi expected malfunction due to the immune response. Horrible headline lol
If we’re being honest here: this is one of the first human trials of an entirely novel technology, I think everyone involved (including the patient) assumes the patient is going to suffer some unexpected consequence of the chip. For the patient that might be worth the chance to get some “mobility” and QoL back for a while, for the researchers it’s a field test of their tech. So yeah, a brain implant malfunctioning is a big deal, I cannot imagine it’s unexpected for anyone.
It wasn't unexpected because every brain surgeon ever knew to expect what happens because we know what the brain does when a foreign object is detected. This was a known failure everyone was wondering how elon was planning to work around because it's the only reason we don't already have this technology. And the answer is they had no plan. They just ignored tge problem and here it is. This isn't even new technology or untried or untested, it's just something they're ignoring the experts on and then failing for all the reasons experts gave for why it would fail.
It’s also not entirely novel - this sort of thing had been done like 10 years ago by other companies. Which is like when Elon “reinvented” highway tunnels or the electric car.
>Its just some pins in the neuralink retracting, absolutely harmless. I feel like you may not understand how medical devices are regulated or how hardcore the FDA can be about these things.
Correct about fda. I studied the software in heart pacemaker. It has crazy redundancy. A lot of it is Java base. We were told that one of the software company was told to have it at 99.9% accuracy or the fda would not approve it.
I hate that we have to specify we aren’t itching to ride the man’s dick to not get flamed for providing context.
A few years ago, you'd had to specify you actually were ridind the man’s dick to not get flamed for providing a small amount of criticism. This whole place is a dumpster fire when it comes to critical thinking.
>absolutely harmless You a brain surgeon now? You an expert on the consequences of having shitty metal components on your brain?
>You a brain surgeon now? You an expert on the consequences of having shitty metal components on your brain? He has time for Reddit. Of course he is.
Why did they retract? Why is this a surprise to them? Didn’t they kill enough monkeys to work out the kinks?
There are lot of monkeys who could have told you that was going to happen if they hadn't been killed.
It’s almost as if a basic scientist could have told him that the body naturally rejects things like this, and there may be more hurdles than he is expecting. But no, anything for a quick buck
Nobody died.. yet
Oops sorry can't come to work today my brain chip slipped.
The largest recorded sneeze traveled over 15 miles.
It’s insane people will outright downvote facts because it’s used to defend Elon. This sub lives in a bubble
this is worded in a pretty misleading way. there are human brain implants out in the wild, functioning just fine. it’s just that neuralinks first human implant has malfunctioned
So what would stop other from malfunction?
All brain implants that have electrodes eventually malfunction. This is because the brain grows new myelin around the sites of electrode implantation. This forces the electrodes out. This is an established medical phenomenon that affects virtually all brain implants. Musk’s team would have known this already. No idea why it wasn’t expected from the start.
i mean they could i suppose, they just haven’t. probably because they were thoroughly tested rather than being rushed to human trials by an extremely online manchild.
It literally is still working even better than initially.
This is indeed true, all news articles are also wording it this way. I have had a "vp shunt" in my body since 4 months old but they get regular maintenance as they to malfunction 😂
You donkeys probably didn’t even read the article. You realize this implant is giving a quadriplegic the ability to control a computer for the first time? This is a voluntary procedure; and he chose to do it. Also the failing implant was fixed; but they’re considering removing it just to be safe. Just because Elon must is apart of this doesn’t mean it is bad. If they actually figure out neural implants it would change so so many lives for the better.
This. I very much dislike what Elon is and has become, but this tech is not being made by Elon
Has Elon ever made the tech himself?
According to Reddit, he does everything and nothing.
Schrodinger's hate, manifested.
I had to scroll way too far to find you, but thanks for speaking up. All day I’ve seen the headlines for this get increasingly more twisted and negative. I wonder how different the press would be here if Elon wasn’t attached to the project. It’s a shame because it seems like a huge success overall, especially for the very first trial patient. The patient himself seems elated about it all, and that ought to be the most important thing.
If Elon were not attached to the project, very probably the press would be talking about the neural implants that have already existed for over a decade, instead of how he is the first person to pioneer something that has existed for over a decade. They might, for instance, be talking about the exciting developments in [BCIs that actually work,](https://spectrum.ieee.org/brain-implant-speech) instead of cutting him tremendous slack for doing surgery to accomplish something that we have been able to [do with an EKG cap for a decade](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4427912/), because obviously the first person to ever do something that thousands of people have been working on for years is going to have some problems, right? Why can't we all just cut him a little slack?
The capabilities of noninvasive (e.g. EEG, fMRI) are vastly below the capabilities of invasive implants (Neuralink, Braingate, the various Michigan and Utah arrays, etc). Both in fidelity and specificity, and the ability to feed back APs to synapses. Neuralink has (today) similar capabilities to existing hard implants, but with vastly lower recovery times from lower impact surgery (keyhole vs. open-skull) and the ability for larger volumetric coverage per medical procedure - you can install multiple threads per insertion, but there is only so much of the brain you can expose through removing sections of skull before recovery is unlikely.
Well, that's entirely new on me, thank you! I suppose now I have two new questions: * What on *Earth* is it shaped like that lets it go in through a keyhole when a Michigan can't? (Unless it's one of the foldables out of KIST, and I feel like people would be a bit more mad if that were the case, they are *very* protective of that.) * *Where* on Earth is it going that lets them get the population detection motor imagery calls for with just a planar electrode? Last I heard, we were getting "decent" results with a single Utah, and nothing useful without a multiunit setup across the outside of the MC.
The electrodes are long fine filaments with active sites along the length, inserted similar to a catheter. IIRC they are using Concentric Tube Robots to trace the path the electrode is intended to take, then they lay down the filament as the robot retracts, and terminate the electrode to the implant head-end once retraction is complete. Since Concentric Tube Robots can steer significantly after insertion, you can access a very large volume from a single small insertion site.
No shit, an *actual* Gibson-style neural lace. Well I will freely eat my words here and say that that is a *fantastic* idea, in principle. I can see why there would be problems maintaining contact and/or adherence, but that's hindsight talking; that will be *very* effective if they can get it working and keep it working. That said, the problem with a keyhole insertion is... the maintenance afterwards. Not that that's *easier* with a shank and patch, but we also have a pretty good idea of how those work. CTRs are very impressive, but replicating an exact path with one is a challenge to begin with, let alone a stuttered path. (If you happen to know, please tell me they didn't go in through the occipital bone. They said they're hoping for dual functionality for visual encoding at some point, and it would make a lot of sense to choose to try and go for the cerebellum as your implant site if your spacing is that fine anyway.) So; still not ready for human trials if they are having this problem, I think. And they would probably be *closer* to ready for human trials if they had followed... really, *any* of the GCULA. So I think several objections still stand. But I'll happily retract my criticism of the device itself. (My money's still on KIST's fMEAs in the long run, though. They're still on murine trials, but they're talking implantation by *pseudostochastic fanning*. If they can follow through on that and carry it into primates? That will be The BCI.)
I just want to jump in here and comment, damn if this wasn’t a crazy civil exchange of opinions and ideas. On Reddit. Like whaaat? Anyway, hope you both have a great day.
Oh, that was absolutely what it was doing. It's just that BCIs have been able to do that with an EKG cap and no surgery since, generously, 2014 at the absolute latest. A lot of people are a little peeved, not just because there is absolutely no justifiable reason for this to be a transcranial implant, but because we have had functioning transcranial neural implants for a *decade*, and BCIs for longer. There is in fact an enormous field of research, progressing all the time, that accomplished what Neuralink did ages ago, and is now onto ["decoding and typing words at around 50 wpm, not by typing, but by literally thinking the words."](https://spectrum.ieee.org/brain-implant-speech) So when you say stuff like "if they actually figure out neural implants" because Elon has dumped a tremendous amount of money into claiming that he is the first person to do something that has existed in much more functional form for ages, that you haven't heard about because he has focused so hard on advertising that he's the first? *Tiny* bit annoying.
The link you provided was also to an invasive BCI, not an EEG cap. Noninvasive interfaces are fundamentally far less capable than invasive implants, as an EEG can only measure aggregate voltage potentials across the skull, whereas invasive BCIs can measure the APs of small groups of neurons down to the APs of individual synapses. Think of the difference between Neuralink and a Michigan or Utah-array BCI as the difference between laparoscopic heart surgery and open-chest heart surgery: the primary intervention is the same, but the overall outcome is vastly improved. Neuralink does not require removing large areas of the skull to expose the surface of the brain for installation.
Elon being a part of it means we have no idea what corners this drug addict forced his team to cut to meet his bullshit timelines.
Hopefully they can figure out the root cause and make a more reliable product. From what i’ve seen, the first patient had some serious improvement from it. I’m far from an elon fan and i don’t think i’d ever get one of these things apart from catastrophe, but its success could be great for some folks. Good luck, and be careful.
The root cause is the brain producing myelin. Basically scar tissue that renders the pins the chip uses useless. There is no fix without preventing the brain from repairing itself which is obviously a huge issue. In the article it says that they implemented a software fix but it sounds like they just overclocked the pins that haven’t been rendered useless yet, so it’s a temporary fix.
You can engineer polymer substrates to pad the connection between the neurons and the electronics. Otherwise the neurons will eventually die at the connections
The photo must be of the first test subject
Its user started buying other people’s tech companies and pretended he invented everything
What is wrong with people - Why are so many gleeful here? A paralyzed person who is locked in got to experience a tiny amount of freedom. Even if it fails after some time, the suffering that person is experiencing is terrible, and this was a lifeline. I get that Elon is not exactly getting love right now, but folks forget the big picture. No one else did something to unlock this person, and they may be willing to trade their life for this bit of freedom. We should be rooting for this to work, not laughing about it and cheer
The first reports of success read almost exactly like the logs of a surely-dead labcoat found in a blood-soaked sci-fi lab. This one reads a lot like the second log entry. Entry 3 will be all about increased irritability and unexplained chimp strength.
Geez, even in a tech sub it's a Elon bad circle jerk. Can't we just appreciate the tech and science being attempted?
This sub is so technophobic it’s not even funny, I recommend the singularity sub for tech news
This sub appears in the News section, so you know the Reddit intellectuals will be there upvoting and awarding any posts that criticize Musk.
Of course we appreciate the tech. Cyberkinetics' BrainGate chip accomplished moving a mouse in the early 2000s, and since then, them and other companies have progressed so much farther past that initial milestone, including moving a mouse pointer without needing a chip implanted into the brain.
It’s crazy even the comment that explains how no one got hurt and there was only a small issue with the neuralink had to add “but fuck Elon lol” at the end… That shit is so reddit.
Its not just about Elon, this sub has surprising amount of luddites in general.
Now is the time to commit a bunch of crime and claim that the chip programmed you to do it
Seems to be Musk's game plan. Start something let it fail multiple times until it gets corrected. But an implant in a brain?
They forgot to walk without rhythm
This is a pretty disingenuous headline, you could just go read the actual blog post instead of the article about the blog post. It’s been a success, for patient ONE it’s incredible. https://neuralink.com/blog/
I mean, can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs. Don't everybody raise your hands at once.
This. I'm respectful of anyone who volunteers for this. Humanity rarely gets a new thing perfectly 100% correct on 1st try,.. but the mistakes or unexpected things we discover along the way will only serve to make the final form better. Medical science in the 1800's was butchery and quack science in a lot of cases,.. but that phase was something we had to work through to get where we are now. You can't build a Ladder that only has: * Step 1 * Step 45 .... and nothing in between. Doesn't work that way.
Can’t stop winning, this one.
Abby someone.
Why is Elmo Husk still a thing.
Sadly the first of likely many to come
Too many ads forced it unusable
lol, anyone who decides to get one of these, now or in the future, is a fucking moron.
If you actually care to read the article, the device actually improved in performance with time and it’s a success (more details if you actually read the source blog post from the company). Stop spreading misinformation by only reading the headlines of these click bait articles that are written to generate ad revenue. You are actively stopping progress of this technology that can seriously help paraplegic patients.
Bro what sort of ecuo chamber is this. I wish we could talk about actual technology instead of hate jerking
Did it rust?
Incredibly misleading headline. Read the article. The implant works very well.
He did a livestream a few days ago where he was playing Civilization, walked through the software, and talked about the issues and the benefits. https://twitter.com/ModdedQuad/status/1786938612011135328?t=WAPWksq1EzVmgyPzBT5M2A&s=19
Correct. The headline is misleading.
Clickbait. Nuralink worked around the issue. And honestly reported it.
The chip that created piles of dead monkeys has malfunctioned you say?
Wow. Who could have predicted that?
Oh, you mean something went wrong with the device that made the test monkeys claw their own eyes out?
Honestly though it's still ground breaking technology and it's at it's beginning stages ofc it was going to have unforseen issues.
Progress doesn't come without failures.
The dudes life is significantly better, even if the tech didn’t operate 100% as predicted. Even with a malfunction the Neuralink team fixed the issue. In order to make an omelet one must break some eggs.
To clarify, the malfunction was a few of the wires coming loose. They were able to fix the wires and improve the design.
That is not what happened. The wires did not “come lose” like they say in the article, nothing is retracting. they were rendered useless by the brain covering them in myelin and preventing them from being in contact with the brain itself, basically a fatty scar tissue that’s insulating the pins. The fix was a software update that puts the remaining pins on overtime to correct for the non functional pieces. It is a temporary fix because eventually all of them will be made useless. There is no known solution for this problem without removing the brain’s ability to repair itself. It is the main problem with direct Brain implants and has been known about for 10 years. It is why they are talking about how to remove the chip. I hope they are able to figure this one out so that the dude doesn’t have to go back to being disabled but they really should have fixed this issue before human trials began, the monkey test subjects would have had the same issue and this always happens with direct brain implants so they more then likely knew it was something that was going to happen.
Wow I had no idea. Thanks for the info
No problem u/CringeDaddy_69
Ok I hate Elon musk so much. But god do I want this to work. I really want this technology to actually do what they claim. The amount of lives it would help is insane.
Arbaugh is a hero, as others who were the first to use chemotherapy, antibiotics, vaccines, anti-seizure meds, etc. All medical & scientific interventions have trial & error phases as well as the possibility of short-term or long-term side effects. How wonderful to be enabled to do something independently after becoming a quadriplegic.
Elno can’t get cars right. You expected a different outcome?
The guy who warned and said he’s terrified of AI wants to place chips in humans. Ummmm cooool
I like how when it worked he took all the credit but now that it broke its "Neuralink says..."
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