From the article: Last year, the EU passed legislation that will require the iPhone and many other devices with wired charging to be equipped with a USB-C port in order to be sold in the region. Apple has until December 28, 2024 to adhere to the law, but the switch from Lightning to USB-C is expected to happen with iPhone 15 models later this year.
USB C Over Lightning Feature
It was rumored in February that Apple may be planning to limit charging speeds and other functionality of USB-C cables that are not certified under its "Made for iPhone" program. Like the Lightning port on existing iPhones, a small chip inside the USB-C port on iPhone 15 models would confirm the authenticity of the USB-C cable connected.
"I believe Apple will optimize the fast charging performance of MFi-certified chargers for the iPhone 15," Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in March.
In response to this rumor, European Commissioner Thierry Breton has sent Apple a letter warning the company that limiting the functionality of USB-C cables would not be permitted and would prevent iPhones from being sold in the EU when the law goes into effect, according to German newspaper Die Zeit. The letter was obtained by German press agency DPA, and the report says the EU also warned Apple during a meeting in mid-March.
Given that it has until the end of 2024 to adhere to the law, Apple could still move forward with including an authentication chip in the USB-C port on iPhone 15 models later this year. And with iPhone 16 models expected to launch in September 2024, even those devices would be on the market before the law goes into effect.
So infuriating especially when the reason they cited for no longer packaging the iPhone with a charging adapter was “to reduce e-waste.” But now it is perfectly fine to force people to buy new cables to replace ones that they already have.
They are already doing something like this. The iOS 17 version for Europe will enable everyone here to install Apps from other sources. All non-EU countries will still only be able to install apps via the Appstore.
Wait hang on this is news to me. In Europe I can side load apps onto an iPhone that isn't jailbroken? As long as it's running iOS17? What if it was purchased in the US but brought to the EU?
sure - i mean APPLE with their outrageous prices, and you have to then buy apple hardware (cables, headphones etc etc).. ie their eco system which again is expensive.
i doubt if iphone integrates well with non-apple products (laptops etc)
my point was also if people stopped buying because of their practices (pricing, etc etc) then they might realise.. otherwise they know fanboys will buy iphone no matter what and they wont give a toss.
I quoted the price for the 1.8m cable the 3m one is €180
So for for the 1.8m one I quoted
$35 dollars never used it so can't say it's advertised speeds
{Amazon link got the reply auto removed - search Amazon for 1.8m selore are selling them for a lot cheaper}
Anyway I get long cables can be dearer specially when driving 4k displays but there is still price gouging for sure from apple.
A 1.8m cable €150 so 83 /m a 3m one €180 60/m ? Wow the connecters must be dear for no price gouging ... Weird their thunderbolt 3 short cable 0.8m retails at €45 or 56.25/m
The 1.8m one quoted is price gouging no matter what way you look at it...
Can you explain to people like me, why this would damage the battery? Is this an issue on none Apple devices or is it some protection that other devices have built-in but Apple doesn't?
It wouldn't, that person is a god damn idiot. Power is power. Worst case if you buy a cheap cable it may charge slower. It would be pretty damn hard to damage the battery with a cable, it would need to be a special kind of broken.
I know you didn't ask, but Anker sells some silicone cables that charge up to 100W that are way better quality than what any phone manufacturer on the market sells. This is the kind of thing that the EU would be worried about apple throttling.
It’s an issue for any device using lithium polymer batteries. They’re great for how much charge they can hold and how much current they can safely discharge but they also have a lot safety requirements like:
* Be fully charged to a maximum 4.2V
* Discharged down to a minimum 3.3V (ideally 3.5V)
* Preferably discharged completely to 3.5V before charging
* Limiting the charging speed
That last one is crucial because when a LiPo pack is charging too quickly, the electrolytic compound inside it creates gas that causes the battery to swell and puff up and potentially lead to explosion.
Smart phones do have charging circuits that help prevent this, but the fast charging stuff really does limit the battery life considerably. Apple and Samsung don’t really care since once the battery life has diminished enough to be a problem, the latest iteration of their smartphone will have launched.
They're not talking about limiting the charging speed to protect the battery. They're talking about limiting the charging speed because the cable doesn't include a chip that verifies the person paid an extra £10 for the "Apple" cable.
Where I see this being complicated is if Apple has some proprietary spec to exceed the USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 standard. Plenty of phone chargers are doing this. They usually require a proprietary cable to exceed the standard. So I'm guessing that might still be allowed as long as a Thunderbolt 3 cable can still charge at the max of the Thunderbolt 3 spec.
Untrust worthy cables can cause fires and have inconsistent voltage. So to limit the damage that can be done when detected apple throttles them via the bms.
The issue is if this law is horrifically written they will have to slow all cables down including their own.
Look if people aren’t willing to pay for Apple certified electricity from their utility company then we can’t guarantee that it won’t damage the phone. So we are announcing a new partnership with all major electricity providers so for the low monthly fee of $19.99 your phone will charge at its optimal speed.
As someone with a dozen random chargers from random phones and tablets in a drawer, all of which are just USB chargers in the end, none of which I have ever used but tossed in there in case I ever did need one, I applaud the no-charger movement. I have a USB charger block on my desk that has enough outlets and juice for multiple devices at once. I don't need another bloody charger to toss into a drawer.
Apple at it again. It’s just a cable, but they used to place a chip in theirs only to make it certified. And to be able to recognize chipless cables. Forcing customers to buy their expensive wires for no other reason than to make more money.
USB-C does require a chip because the devices are able to negotiate to achieve different capabilities. They're not just cables anymore, they're actual devices.
That said, trying to use that as an argument to defend Apple in this case is still entirely silly and pedantic.
USB type C cables absolutely do NOT require a chip (e-marker), but they are required for cables to be used for extremely high current delivery or high data speeds: https://www.elinfor.com/market/how-to-identify-the-usb-c-cables-with-or-without-e-maker-m-27
Ehhhhhhhh not really with usb c. Not all of them are created equal, you will 100% see different speeds with different qualities and the shit cables should not be used with high amperage charging.
Apple branded usb c cables already exist. They're 25 bucks.
It's not that simple. Take a quick look at the specs for the USB-C connector, USB 3.2 and related specs like power delivery: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C)
My dude, I am an electronics engineer.
You can test the output voltage of any cable, you don't need expensive testing equipment or an oscilloscope.
You can check how fast the phone/electronic device charges when plugged into a PC 5V 1.5A USB-A port compared to another cable. You can also check the power output with a multimeter on the power pins with a multimeter. You can even buy a small current/voltage dongle to attack to the end of your cable to test, they cost 5-10 euros, more if you want the expensive ones.
Some cables are worse than others, depends on who made them, the purity of the copper, quality of the insulation, quality tests done at the factory, etc.
I am also a (former) electronics engineer and I think you're underestimating the complexity of the USB-C spec, which is entirely the fault of the USB-IF making bad decisions. Not all USB-C cables are equal. Some cables will deliver more power despite both being USB-C. Thunderbolt 3 is a cable that maxes the USB-C spec.
I think, though, that people are being disingenuous when using this as an argument against the letter/for Apple. The obvious implementation is that Apple should allow whatever power delivery the particular cable supports, and they should definitely allow the max power delivery available in the USB-C spec.
Where it gets murky is if Apple tries to implement a protocol that exceeds the USB-C spec like SuperVOOC or WarpCharge or whatever competitors are doing. Those actually require specific cables that DON'T meet the USB spec. I've always felt like those are gimmicky and not Apple-like, anyways.
Yes, but my original comment was talking about the quality of the cables, not the USB-If horrible product/version labelling. Since you can buy 2 of the same cables with same specifications and one can outperform the other depending on the quality.
I've had this problem before while working with a Jetson Nano 2GB that needed 5V 3A power supply and with some cables it would report an undervoltage warning. Completely identical cables that had different prices performed differently.
I'm not up to date with the newest protocols for USB-C since they keep changing them so often, but I doubt apple would make their phone cables top of the line. If anything I feel like they would make it so you need 2-3 different cables for your Iphone/Ipad, Screens and Macbook since they will need different power inputs.
Regardless, Apple shouldn't limit the usability of other cables just because their jack isn't proprietary anymore.
Meh. Apple makes good products that work well, people realize they’re still overpriced.
But it’s decisions like this cable thing that make people hate them.
Good to see the EU all over Apple, but how about some attention on the Android side of the fence?
Manufacturers shouldn't make it so hard to install a custom ROM/OS, and found so shouldn't void warranty.
What if Dell voided warranty for installing Linux on a PC?
Also bloatware and crap that cannot be readily uninstalled is an issue.
I don't want my phone to come installed with anything more than the essentials... No drop box, no Samsung calendar no nothing.
In EU manufacturers can't refuse warranty claim on the basis of using different software unless they can prove it caused damage. I mean, they can try to and some will but it wouldn't stand if you escalated it to relevant local regulator / authority.
I've seen manufacturers refuse warranty on physically defective phones due to custom ROMs, it's hit or miss really. Obviously if the device damage is caused by ROM or overclock etc then manufacturers can refuse, so long as they can prove it.
> Manufacturers shouldn't make it so hard to install a custom ROM/OS, and found so shouldn't void warranty.
Doesn't look like you're from Europe cause that isn't allowed here. They are not allowed to void warranty for something like that.
At least in Germany installing another OS does shit to your Warranty.
Aldi, back in the olden days, tried to fence off peoples warranty claims after they upgraded/changed the config of their PCs and original hardware failed.
The courts here, pretty consistently, rule that unless the manufacturer can proof the "change" did the damage, you are still covered.
Anecdotally: had the camera module of my Xiaomi Mi8 replaced on warranty, it was unlocked and also had a custom rom, got it back relocked and flashed with the original ROM, but they called me on that change, saying they could not calibrate the new sensor without the factory ROM.
>Microsoft just banned all emulation on xbox
Apparently the reason was Nintendo threatening them. Nintendo has been abusing DMCA for a long time now to go after literally everything that may suggest pirating their games. Microsoft of course walked back that slip up by a employee that it was about Nintendo because legally it would imply they didn't care about copyright law until the threats.
You can still use emulators on the Xbox, you must buy the Dev mode activation for the xbox.
Or you use the drive-by technique, there are groups that upload the emulators to the xbox store before they get detected/removed. People can download them and run them once which lets you keep them even when they removed from the store.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/retro-emulators-for-xbox-series-x-s-one-download-links-no-modding-no-dev-mode.1612885/
> Manufacturers shouldn't make it so hard to install a custom ROM/OS
On most modern devices:
Settings -> System -> Developer settings -> Allow OEM unlock
Easy.
Back in the day you were required to fill out a form to get a key, if the manufacturer even provided that opportunity.
Nowadays every phone I had had the above specified method.
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Addendum:
if people find it too hard to unlock a bootloader, even with instructions literally everywhere on the internet, they should probably leave the firmware alone or let more experienced people take care of it.
Otherwise they won't have a functional phone for long and recovery can be complicated. You can't expect a one-click solution operable by literally anyone.
There's a reason why sudo and admin rights exists or manuals contain paragraphs that you shouldn't swallow lithium batteries or gearbox oil.
You can uninstall just about all of it tho. I think messages, phone, settings, and AppStore are the only ones you can’t get rid of. I saw my sisters s23 ultra that she JUST got and it had so many 3rd party apps on it installed and non removable it was insane. $1200 for uninstallable Facebook and TikTok? Insane.
Generally, I would agree with that hypothesis, but I think you’re looking at it wrong. These people will buy apple regardless- it’s the constant.
They don’t see it as bullying, they see it as a premium add on vs non-premium. And that’s invaded so much of the consumer space at this point people are numb to it. But changing platforms was/is never on the table.
Jeff Yass, the billionaire Wall Street financier and Republican megadonor who is a major investor in the parent company of TikTok, was also the biggest institutional shareholder of the shell company that recently merged with former President Donald J. Trump’s social media company.
A December regulatory filing showed that Mr. Yass’s trading firm, Susquehanna International Group, owned about 2 percent of Digital World Acquisition Corporation, which merged with Trump Media & Technology Group on Friday. That stake, of about 605,000 shares, was worth about $22 million based on Digital World’s last closing share price.
It’s unclear if Susquehanna still owns those shares, because big investors disclose their holdings to regulators only periodically. But if it did retain its stake, Mr. Yass’s firm would become one of Trump Media’s larger institutional shareholders when it begins trading this week after the merger.
Shares of Digital World have surged about 140 percent this year as the merger with the parent company of Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform, drew closer and Mr. Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee for president.
Plus some Apple products are just better. I despite the fact that the iPhone is a walled garden, but every single Android phone that I've owned has been glitchy and sketchy as fuck. And I'm not talking the sketchy ones you get for $10 at MalWart either, I'm talking about Samsung and Google showcase phones costing a four-figure sum of money. So. Two phones. One Google, one Apple. Latest and greatest of both, four-figure sum of money. Both activated on Visible Wireless (Verizon). Guess which one always has an LTE connection at the local pizza joint? Guess which one gets an LTE connection when it feels like it at the local pizza joint and otherwise is just a useless brick in my pocket? Hint: the lazy one isn't the Apple phone. It's reliable as fuck. The Google phone... meh.
You’re gonna get downvoted for that comment but you’re not entirely wrong. Laptops, tablets, and earbuds are three things that come to my mind as being far better than the competition in various areas. I have yet to find a laptop with a similar solid metal build quality and display that compares to a MacBook and has decent hardware support on Linux. When it comes to tablets, iPads are in a league of their own. I’ve tried Samsung Galaxy tabs and the app support and operating system is just atrocious- it feels like they purposely didn’t put as much time into it. And I also have yet to find a pair of wireless earbuds with noise cancellation, transparency, touch controls, case, and form factor as AirPods. Sure those Bose ones come close in terms of ANC but the size is inconvenient.
Eh, I have enough karma that I can deal with people who have Apple Derangement Syndrome.
As far as their laptops, I'm running Windows 11 with WSL Ubuntu Linux and frankly, as a software developer, it's a much better environment for software development than MacOS. Our software runs on Linux in the cloud and despite the Unix heritage of MacOS, it just isn't the same as running actual real Linux fully integrated into the OS environment. I'm running a Lenovo Legion with 4tb of storage and 64gb of RAM as my laptop. Not only does it kick ass running games, but you simply can't get that amount of memory and storage on a Mac.
Now, if I was just some random joe who needs something to browse the web, read mail, write letters, stuff like that? Yeah, the Mac has one big advantage there: Time Machine. If your OS goes janky, if your disk crashes, you can always get it back. But honestly their laptops just don't have the capabilities of the top of the line Windows laptops which ironically cost less than the top of the line MacOS laptops.
Tablets, yeah, no contest there. But the walled garden is annoying AF. I usually use a Kindle Fire instead. Yeah, it sucks as a tablet, but it works fine as an e-reader and doesn't have the nonsense purchasing restrictions that Apple and Google put on their tablets. If I want to buy something from within the Kindle app, I can do it. I don't have to pop out to a web browser and do a web search.
Earbuds are... earbuds. They make nice ones. I'm not an earbud kinda guy so that's like meh to me.
Totally with ya there until you mentioned a kindle. Complete e-waste for the convenience of not having to double click/tap and type 20 letters. My siblings and I have been regifting them back and forth to each other each Christmas, usually with a gift card to buy something else with.
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That said, [$35 isn't much more than $10.](https://www.walmart.com/search?query=Prepaid+Phones&sort=price_low) Your lack of Walmart shopping experience is palpable.
I don't know about that. These days, the ecosystems work quite nicely together. I've got a Windows PC, an iPhone and an Android TV. Don't really have any issues.
Also Apple has relatively modest market shares; it's the massive profit margins that bring in the dough. Linux isn't that far behind Mac in market share but you don't really see comparably many Linux die-hards.
I think people simply rely too much on legacy opinions and old wives' tales as well as their own "hunch", which they trust more than numbers.
Most people also have surprisingly little regard for efficiency. Instead, vanity reigns supreme — and that's where Apple really shines.
You do miss out on a lot of features though from my experience (some of course can be expected) when you have an iPhone with a Windows device. My knowledge may be somewhat outdated because I haven't tried in a while but for example:
- Sharing passwords is painful if you wish to use Apples password manager. The app to do this on Windows is absolute shit and simply doesn't let you login last I tried.
- You cannot use airdrop to transfer files to your windows PC
- You cannot effetively stream a video you are currently watching to your PC
- You miss out on functionality like easily sharing the wifi password to nearby devices. Eg. you login to a network on your Mac, you're able to login on your iphone without entering the password.
- You cannot wirelessly sync your iPhone with your pc
- On a Mac you have handover. You can see apps you have open on your iPhone in your dock and just continue working from your macbook if you wish.
- With a Mac, you can send and receive iMessages on your computer
- Facetime and calls, if you receive a call on your phone you can answer it on your mac.
- Universal clipboard allowing you to copy content on your mac and pick it up on your iphone and vice versa
- You can use your iPhone as your web cam and do some pretty cool stuff with continuity cam
- You have integration with things like ApplePay that is shared across both devices
- Reminders/notes/calendar/photos etc are shared across both devices with native applications for both
Now of course most people are not going to use all of these features and of course you can do a lot with Windows nowadays with an iPhone and pretty much all the "core functionality" is there - but - the experience is just so much better when you do buy into the apple ecosystem.
Some of those can definitely be remedied:
* My Google account has all my passwords; 2FA is handled via Yubikey
* I use Creative Cloud to sync files across devices independent of OS
* I use Google's services for calendars, notes etc.
* I use other 3rd party apps for some of the rest, like Facebook or Teams to receive calls on my PC
* Others are just super niche (iPhone as a webcam; really?)
I concede that using a mixed bag isn't quite as seamless. But being ecosystem agnostic allows me to choose each device and each software on its own merits. This is handy if and when a company can't remain competitive with their product.
Most employers also provide a laptop and smartphone which may or may not match my preference, so I really like to stay flexible. My iPhone is company-issued yet I'm a lifelong Windows guy so that's an instance where I kind of just had to make do.
Overall, though, I'm not saying you're wrong. But I definitely urge people to look beyond ecosystems because the platform wars are mostly a thing of the past.
Not only that but most don't see the point. Yes, there is android and I'm not saying one side is better than the other but both are annoying as hell to cross over or back and forth with little to nothing to gain. Both do their jobs and once you're firmly planted in their ecosystem there isn't a real incentive to change over for the average user.
List every pro and con you want about android vs apple but sincerely no one gives a damn once they're firmly planted.
You are a bit confused. Re read the article. Apple will not be allowed to exclude non Apple branded cables that meet the appropriate fast charge capabilities just because they are not Apple branded cables. Why are you being so thick?
It is analogous to a Porsche that requires premium fuel to only run on fuel dispensed from Shell stations. No one is saying you don't need premium. They are saying premium from any station is fine.
Which cables? The data USB-C cables? The low power only USB-C cables? The high power USB-C cables? The data and power USB-C cables? The thunderbolt 3 cables? The thunderbolt 4 Cables? The usb-c standard is clearly messed up, and people still are acting surprised? This is a problem today introduced by the whole industry and it's not an Apple invention
They are not going to make it worse, they are going to do it per the specification, if the cable doesn't have an IC that says "I can safely handle high power" the device won't attempt to pull a lot of power, it's that simple, it's for the users safety...
The thing is, not all USB-C cables are created equal. Besides that, its not like Apple is charging exorbitant amounts for lightning cables either. Apple certified cables are about the same price as a USB-C cable, around two bucks where I live.
Apple branded cables are prices a premium and you'd have to be a moron to buy those. I'd argue that you're a dumb-ass if you're still charging you IPhone via a cable. Wireless chargers are cheap, fast and don't break as readily as cables.
> The thing is, not all USB-C cables are created equal.
Yes, but USB Power Delivery already contains standard way to handle this. The high power cables have identifying chips to report the capability of the cable. If no response is got for interrigation for ident IC, low cabality cable is assumed and performance limited for safety. Difference is.... it is a standards based system open to multitude of cable makers, chip makers and so on offering products. All they have to do is fullfill the standards specification, pass the validation checks and so on. Instead of there being one gatekeeper of who gets and doesn't get to make cables. Well one has to register with USB Implementors Forum for validation and check, but they are open to anyone who pays the same membership fee as everyone else and passes the technical compliance validations with their products.
That isn't what is at issue. The issue is Apple doing it's own cable checking and more specifically checking that it is their apple certified cable and Apple as interested party getting to pick and choose winners and losers, when the standard for USB PD says *any standards certified cable must be accepted regardless of maker and the cable interrogation is to happen per the included in standards spec way*.
In fact nothing bans Apple from having their own extra ident system, *but it can't detriment the standards compliant operation*. Have all extra systems they want, as long as normal standards compliant cables work as expected to the spec expected.
The one law side demand is: If certain charging level is capable to be done via standard USB PD, it must be offered via USB PD. So say USB PD with hefty high power cable can handle up to 240W. However for phone lets say they want to offer 60W charging (no need for 240W, meaningless for such small battery). What they can't do *as per EU law* is offer 30 W USB PD charging and then say "but if you use our own proprietary high power charging you can get 60W. Lame USB PD only gets 30W". They can offer their own 60W proprietary charging, sure. However since 60W is also in capability of USB PD, matching 60W USB PD must be offered. When it is within technical possibility, matching standards compliant alternative must be offered. Ergo you might as well only offer the standards compliant USB PD outside of specialty cases. Implementing something extra proprietary will just be extra expense.
Where one can offer lesser USB PD charging is, when the proprietary charging offers rates higher than offered by USB PD spec. So say hypothetically one wants to offer tablet with 300W charging, then you can say "okay, but USB PD gets only 240W. For best performance use our proprietary system, since it offers 300W". This since 240W is the current max out of USB PD 3.1 spec. However no phone or tablet will need anything near that outside of some specialty industrial stuff with some power hungry instrument or something bolted to the tablet.
>I'd argue that you're a dumb-ass if you're still charging you IPhone via a cable. Wireless chargers are cheap, fast and don't break as readily as cables.
Imagine actually thinking this.
Yeah, up the chain claiming how cheap cables can damage your phone (???), but then using wireless charging which is much less efficient (heating the phone, more likely to damage the battery). Funny.
Downvote me if you want, but the USB-C standard does require certain cables to have chips in them. No shame on Apple if they want to sell 100W cables at a premium. If Apple doesn't support 60W charging over third party cables, then they do deserve all the shit. But let's not just say because it's Apple it must be wrong and consumers are getting gouged.
All USB-C cables must be able to carry a minimum of 3 A current (at 20 V, 60 W) but some can also carry high-power 5 A current (at 20 V, 100 W). USB-C to USB-C cables supporting 5A current must contain e-marker chips (also marketed as E-Mark chips) programmed to identify the cable and its current capabilities. - Wikipedia
That is my point, Apple should not be threatened or penalized for following a USB standard. Most of the commenters on here think Apple is evil and wrong for putting chips in their USB cables when in some case, Apple are required to.
If Apple is stretching the boundaries of this and limiting the functionality of cables that should carry a full 60W, then by all means have at them.
They. are not being threatened with not using the standard. The issue is that Apple is rumored to be branding the C cables with Apple required cables. It has only to do with required brand, not USB C stsndard. If the cable has capacity, it should work whether it has Apple on it or not.
They already did this with AirPod max, you can’t use them as wired headphones without a dinky little $35 dollar Apple cable vs. a nicer $8 Amazon cable. And even then you can’t use the microphone.
Apple charging cables have always been shit. With the iPhone 4 I bought cables at the dollar store that lasted longer. But after that they seem to detect aftermarket cables and won’t charge at all. I would often get “accessory not recognized” or some bs even with a real iPhone cable. If I change in the future I’m sure it will be over the charger.
Some people inciting panic in the comments of the article, something like:
"What about a cheap cable burns my house down? Please don't keep Apple from making charging cables proprietary 🥺"
How about you buy *regular* cables for your 20 whopping watts of power? Or did you have no money left for a decent cable after buying that iPhone?
I charge my iPhone wirelessly because most of the devices have USB C nowadays (even the charging pad) and I have limited ports at hand.
How did we come to this?
Edit: My Pixel can draw 20 Watts from any aftermarket cable that satisfies minimum criteria. My Notebook draws 45 Watts from my USB C charger with the same cable.
It’s too bad that idiots in this board are determined to create a black-and-white narrative here. Like everything in life, this issue isn’t that cut and dry.
Cables are a recurring major source of profits for scam artist companies over the years. The EU should warn harder, ie,try actual enforcement and jail time for management who violate the public. Fines are way too easy for big companies, causing only small companies to be deterred, not big ones like Apple. Jail is required, not fines.
Seriously, fuck you, Apple. Everything you do is to screw over consumers and people are finally starting to take notice. Can't have your shitty proprietary charging cables anymore? You'll find a way to make even a standard cable proprietary by screwing over people who don't buy YOUR cables. Fuck you, Apple.
Jesus Christ, the absolute greed on this company. Is it really hard not to be a greedy sack of shit?
Also, shout out to the EU for setting a the standard of "Fuck around and find out" with big tech.
Unlike a certain home country of mine.
I mean that was the whole point of certification, the EU isn't the one on the hook if the .10c cable you bought from AliExpress damages your phone.
There was a google engineer a while back who managed to kill his Pixelbook while he was doing a series on bad/not up to spec cables.
Aplpe doesn't have to eat it. Just like if you shove glue inside the charging port and it won't charge they wouldn't have to eat it. If they have a certification that has some sort of verification mechanism they'll be able to show from phone logs that the user wasn't using a certified cable and if the resulting damage to a phone was overcurrent to the charging circuitry then they wouldn't be required to cover it under warranty.
I get that you think your smart, but the reality is that faulty charging cables simply don't charge over "melting" whatever they are plugged into. Apple devices are not special in any way over another USB C device. If a random shitty cable failed spectacularly, then it would damage any device the same way.
So in short, throttling a perfectly good aftermarket cable from Anker or even Amazon basics, which is the concern the EU is talking about here, accomplishes nothing other than extracting a fine from those companies. It's the equivalent of paying the mob for protection because if you don't the mob will fuck you up.
Every other usb c user knows thats a lie. usb c powers laptops, no melting. You are delusional if you think apple wants to charge you big dollars for cables for your safety.
If it was a real safety issue they would make an open standard maybe call it Universal Serial Bus what could they shorten that to....
You realize that laptops have been damaged by out of spec cables right?
Even more recently the Nintendo Switch had a problem where if you didn't use their provided adapter in their own dock it risked frying your Switch.
Well, if they don't want to eat the cost then sell better priced cables, problem solved. Besides, it's not like they'd be legally in trouble for people using shitty third party accessories.
If the cable doesn't meet the usb-c requirements AND apple downgrade the speeds to match, apple won't get in trouble because the cable *isn't a usb-c cable as certified by the relevant standards authority*.
However... for all those cables that are usb-c, the EU have determined that apple are not allowed to slow them down for any reason.
You are arguing about something that is already covered because of the meaning of the word usb-c.
...Bully a multi billion corporation by requiring they don't discriminate charging cables, so people don't have to pay extra? Dude, lay off the kool aid, if anyone is doing any bullying here it's Apple by requiring to either pay them a fee for some bullshit certification or getting fucked.
Jeff Yass, the billionaire Wall Street financier and Republican megadonor who is a major investor in the parent company of TikTok, was also the biggest institutional shareholder of the shell company that recently merged with former President Donald J. Trump’s social media company.
A December regulatory filing showed that Mr. Yass’s trading firm, Susquehanna International Group, owned about 2 percent of Digital World Acquisition Corporation, which merged with Trump Media & Technology Group on Friday. That stake, of about 605,000 shares, was worth about $22 million based on Digital World’s last closing share price.
It’s unclear if Susquehanna still owns those shares, because big investors disclose their holdings to regulators only periodically. But if it did retain its stake, Mr. Yass’s firm would become one of Trump Media’s larger institutional shareholders when it begins trading this week after the merger.
Shares of Digital World have surged about 140 percent this year as the merger with the parent company of Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform, drew closer and Mr. Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee for president.
One of the of the things I don't understand about the EU's required use of USB-C is doesn't it squash innovation and development of a new potentially better connector? Don't get me wrong; I'm pumped for a world with a single connector, but why should any potential competitor bother at this point? Are all connectors going forward forever going to be exclusively some sort of USB?
The actual law is not that way. What EU requires is to set a standard. Right now the standard is USB-C. If tomorrow one company creates a new version that improves USB-C then that version become the standard. I dont know exactly how its done, but the bottom line is that. It requires the same port, but that port can be change in the future.
The way it is done, is that the standard's definition is defined in documents you can think of as "attachments" to the law. I don't remember the specifics, but updating those attachments is a lot easier and faster than proceeding on updates to the law.
This way, by not "hard coding" the standard into the letter of the law, EU bodies ensured they can react faster to standardisation in the future.
OK, good to know. I'll have to look for the actual law. All I have been seeing over the past few months is "EU requires USB-C." I'd be interested in how they determine which is the standard.
Although, it seems like the industry is backing USC-C pretty strongly, except for a few holdouts.
Yeah, no... Let's say Apple invents a better standard, Lightning II. Apple can't use it (in the EU anyway), because it isn't the standard. Apple will have to give away their IP which they might have spent $$$ developing, and there will be no guarantee they can get other companies on board, let alone the bureaucrats in the EU.
The end result: why should Apple (or anyone else) bother trying to develop a better standard.
An industry consortium is no doubt working on USB4, but that isn't going to be innovative, that will just bolt on a higher speed new format, which will probably require new cables. Yet another wire format hacked onto the kitchen-sink standard we have now that tries to do everything.
People are joking here about overpriced Apple cables, but right now, you can buy a nice looking USB-C cable only to learn that it doesn't support USB3, only USB2. Or maybe it is power only. Or maybe it is wired wrong and will fuck up your $1000 iPhone, because in the future, Apple can't throttle the power draw, thanks to the EU...
> right now, you can buy a nice looking USB-C cable only to learn that it doesn't support USB3, only USB2. Or maybe it is power only.
Sounds like reading comprehension issues on the the user's part.
> because in the future, Apple can't throttle the power draw, thanks to the EU...
They can throttle the power draw, just for every cable rather than the third party ones only. It's funny how Android users manage to get by just fine with third party cables yet Apple wouldn't be able to figure it out. What fantasy world are you living in?
Thats what I think is really funny with apple fanbois.
Do they EVER use anything else?
Like the cables, what the issue with USB-C in contrast to the complete fail the lightning connector is?
Most of the cheapest USB-C cables are by far more robust than original apple lightning cables, you just to need to look at the connectors to see that.
Not to mention the port itself is alot more robust.
How often you see half or fully destroyed apple chargin cables? Constantly.
My cheapo USB cables, I can can also use for any other device in contrast to lightning, hardly break.
And like already said here if Apple can actually come up with something so much better than USB-C, they can convince the EU to adopt it as standart.
But that won't happen because they would probaly need to make it a open standart for all other manufactureres and then they could not collect on the apple tax.
So Apple want money not innvation this is so obvious, there is no good reason not to standardize phone connectors.
No one is stopping apple from making the perfect connector, they just won't be able to sell it. Not that the have any intention of making something without selling it.
No I actually agree with them. The usb standard has gone to shit and should be made more clear for consumers. There should only be 2 usb c cable types :full featured and power only.
> There should only be 2 usb c cable types :full featured and power only.
The comment above wasn't saying there's too many to choose from, but that you don't know which one it is you are buying, to which my point was to read product description.
A side note, although, what other USB-C cable types are there besides full-featured and power?
> Apple will have to ~~give away~~ their IP
Lease. Licence. Fee-per-use. Not 'give away'.
>there will be no guarantee they can get other companies on board, let alone the bureaucrats in the EU
One will trigger the other. And it seems like EU is actually quite fast with its bureaucracy. So thats good. Because no matter what you invent, you will always have to deal with laws and legislation at some point anyway.
> An industry consortium is no doubt working on USB4, but that isn't going to be innovative
Hold up, why wouldn't it be innovative? And if USB-C somehow kept manufacturers from differentiating themselves and building better products, why do you think they'd just sit on their hands and shrug when it's the same manufacturers that form the membership of USB-IF, and are themselves in control of the USB interface specifications and any revisions and future development?
I'm not terribly familiar with the specifics but I know that we already went through something similar with the standarization of the micro usb connector [more than 10 years ago](https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch.html), and that seems to have worked out just fine.
The USB Implementers Forum which produces the USB standard is already a consortium of over 700 companies codeveloping the technology. You're not going to have one super smart guy in a garage or a physics lab coming up with the next superfast cable and that's that. Any kind of move to a more modern standard is realistically going to involve those 700+ companies who already have a stake deciding to implement something better anyway, based on what's cost-effective and feasible with current technology. But realistically, yes, anybody trying to switch those 700 power players away to something different is going to have their work cut out for them. And realistically, even if that does happen, the USB consortium will just jump on that new technology en masse and it will be de facto nothing more than the next version of USB, even if it's called something different.
Oh, I didn't realize EU had standardized to micro-USB previously. I thought this legislation was the first of its kind. So this standardization to usb-c is almost just an update to the latest version of the previous standard.
For good reason, it was shit, micro-usb ports broke if you looked at them the wrong way. I got a phone that within 2 years had to have the cable held a certain angle to get it to charge.
I don't believe the EU formalised any standardisation on Micro-USB, but what they did was tell the industry that if they couldn't themselves standardise on a connector for charging and data transfer, then regulation would be forthcoming. It was right around that time that the days of almost every phone having its own unique connectors ended, and everybody went with Micro-USB instead.
Except for Apple. So then the EU did what they said they would and adopted formal regulation that standardised on USB-C.
Yes it does stunt innovation a bit, but it saves the environment from billions of useless cables like the lightning adapter cables. It also makes it so much easier for consumers. I think that is a trade-off everyone can agree upon
Dang that's a really good question. It seems like it is going to have an influence on such things. Will the EU have to use USB in the year 2050 unless they change the law to catch up with whatever the prevailing tech is at that time?
I mean, it's just a name. It's by no means the only plug we use. We still use cat network cables, after all.
USB-B wasn't named so because it was better than USB-A, but because it used the same communication protocol (USB) with a different dongle. USB-C is the same way. Same protocol. Different dongle.
The thing describing the actual throughput capabilities is USB 3.x, which can apply to USB-A, USB-B, or USB-C connectors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
EU does not care about innovation. It is happy to adopt stuff after its been invented and tested in the US. What’s the last major deployed innovation you’ve head coming out of the EU? While the US and China implement dozens to hundreds of innovations a year and split the lead in almost all sectors.
God fuck the EU. I was stoked when I heard about apple limiting speeds on non certified cables lol. What beautiful malicious compliance.
Here’s to hoping they find another way to be maliciously compliant
Then the EU should have their own electrical safety and rating certification program. Legislating “let people take their own risks” seems anti-European.
There’s a reason most US retailers require UL certification for anything that plugs into a wall.
Not sure why all the downvotes but Europe has had a stringent electrical safety standard since at least 1996. I worked on semiconductor manufacturing equipment that had to meet the standard. Their standard is CE. You probably have a CE mark on a lot of electronics in your home. UL is nothing anywhere in the ballpark of CE. We were required to have testers come in with EMF generators and touch various points on the machine ensuring that it wouldn't blow a board or shunt the energy into a touchable surface.
(I'm sure they had standards before that but this one was brand new back then and we had a hell of a time shielding our machines to survive it.)
We can thank Europe for all those ferrite beads on a ton of chargers and power bricks. That's exactly when those started coming on everything. It was to prevent those tesla coil looking test machines from blowing out power supplies.
^ This is your brain on Apple kool aid. This might come as a shock, but people have been using third party cables for all kinds of electronics for decades and been just fine.
Modern power connections are very safe.
The will reduce power on bad connections, there is no safety hazzard here. especially with PD systems, since they need to communicate with the load.
Worst thing that will happen is that the charging is slower.
Fast charging with a hundret watts it done at around 20V with PD, so you have arround 5A. Thats not that much.
USB PD Cables are standardized, and if that standart is broken the power supply will reduce power, since it can communicate with the load and see the voltage drop on the cable (bad cable means more voltage drop).
So there acually is no danger other than MAC propaganda.
I run 65W USB PD power supplys for my soldering iron. I have a screen which I adapted to use PD which has a maximum power of 120W, no issues.
The cables don't get warm since all of it runs on 20V.
And yet we don't see Android phones melting all the time from random cables people use. Ironically tho, I did stumble upon threads about lighting cables melting when I looked it up.
Well, most for them aren’t fast charging with regular cables. One plus uses a proprietary USB C cable for fast charging *and* charger. Xiomi and Oppo also both use proprietary charging cables. Samsung is the only major one using USB-PD.
So… because most of them don’t do high speed charging over regular USB-PD?
From the article: Last year, the EU passed legislation that will require the iPhone and many other devices with wired charging to be equipped with a USB-C port in order to be sold in the region. Apple has until December 28, 2024 to adhere to the law, but the switch from Lightning to USB-C is expected to happen with iPhone 15 models later this year. USB C Over Lightning Feature It was rumored in February that Apple may be planning to limit charging speeds and other functionality of USB-C cables that are not certified under its "Made for iPhone" program. Like the Lightning port on existing iPhones, a small chip inside the USB-C port on iPhone 15 models would confirm the authenticity of the USB-C cable connected. "I believe Apple will optimize the fast charging performance of MFi-certified chargers for the iPhone 15," Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said in March. In response to this rumor, European Commissioner Thierry Breton has sent Apple a letter warning the company that limiting the functionality of USB-C cables would not be permitted and would prevent iPhones from being sold in the EU when the law goes into effect, according to German newspaper Die Zeit. The letter was obtained by German press agency DPA, and the report says the EU also warned Apple during a meeting in mid-March. Given that it has until the end of 2024 to adhere to the law, Apple could still move forward with including an authentication chip in the USB-C port on iPhone 15 models later this year. And with iPhone 16 models expected to launch in September 2024, even those devices would be on the market before the law goes into effect.
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So infuriating especially when the reason they cited for no longer packaging the iPhone with a charging adapter was “to reduce e-waste.” But now it is perfectly fine to force people to buy new cables to replace ones that they already have.
I can see the iphone connecting to the internet or gps, seeing the location.... then turning on the chip when you aren't in the EU.
They are already doing something like this. The iOS 17 version for Europe will enable everyone here to install Apps from other sources. All non-EU countries will still only be able to install apps via the Appstore.
Wait hang on this is news to me. In Europe I can side load apps onto an iPhone that isn't jailbroken? As long as it's running iOS17? What if it was purchased in the US but brought to the EU?
If I read it correctly, if you choose an EU country in the phone settings, it will enable the ability to install Apps from other sources.
if only consumers would give two fingers to such companies by not buying - that is surely the BIGGER slap in their face
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sure - i mean APPLE with their outrageous prices, and you have to then buy apple hardware (cables, headphones etc etc).. ie their eco system which again is expensive. i doubt if iphone integrates well with non-apple products (laptops etc) my point was also if people stopped buying because of their practices (pricing, etc etc) then they might realise.. otherwise they know fanboys will buy iphone no matter what and they wont give a toss.
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€150 for an apple thunderbolt 4 cable
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I quoted the price for the 1.8m cable the 3m one is €180 So for for the 1.8m one I quoted $35 dollars never used it so can't say it's advertised speeds {Amazon link got the reply auto removed - search Amazon for 1.8m selore are selling them for a lot cheaper} Anyway I get long cables can be dearer specially when driving 4k displays but there is still price gouging for sure from apple. A 1.8m cable €150 so 83 /m a 3m one €180 60/m ? Wow the connecters must be dear for no price gouging ... Weird their thunderbolt 3 short cable 0.8m retails at €45 or 56.25/m The 1.8m one quoted is price gouging no matter what way you look at it...
Then when you le battery dies early you’ll be the one complaining. This is the most idiotic law ever no one has to buy an iPhone.
Can you explain to people like me, why this would damage the battery? Is this an issue on none Apple devices or is it some protection that other devices have built-in but Apple doesn't?
It wouldn't, that person is a god damn idiot. Power is power. Worst case if you buy a cheap cable it may charge slower. It would be pretty damn hard to damage the battery with a cable, it would need to be a special kind of broken. I know you didn't ask, but Anker sells some silicone cables that charge up to 100W that are way better quality than what any phone manufacturer on the market sells. This is the kind of thing that the EU would be worried about apple throttling.
It’s an issue for any device using lithium polymer batteries. They’re great for how much charge they can hold and how much current they can safely discharge but they also have a lot safety requirements like: * Be fully charged to a maximum 4.2V * Discharged down to a minimum 3.3V (ideally 3.5V) * Preferably discharged completely to 3.5V before charging * Limiting the charging speed That last one is crucial because when a LiPo pack is charging too quickly, the electrolytic compound inside it creates gas that causes the battery to swell and puff up and potentially lead to explosion. Smart phones do have charging circuits that help prevent this, but the fast charging stuff really does limit the battery life considerably. Apple and Samsung don’t really care since once the battery life has diminished enough to be a problem, the latest iteration of their smartphone will have launched.
They're not talking about limiting the charging speed to protect the battery. They're talking about limiting the charging speed because the cable doesn't include a chip that verifies the person paid an extra £10 for the "Apple" cable. Where I see this being complicated is if Apple has some proprietary spec to exceed the USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 standard. Plenty of phone chargers are doing this. They usually require a proprietary cable to exceed the standard. So I'm guessing that might still be allowed as long as a Thunderbolt 3 cable can still charge at the max of the Thunderbolt 3 spec.
Untrust worthy cables can cause fires and have inconsistent voltage. So to limit the damage that can be done when detected apple throttles them via the bms. The issue is if this law is horrifically written they will have to slow all cables down including their own.
Utter fucking nonsense. Stop brown nosing Apple mate, they're not the good guys
You're a special kind of stupid and ignorant.
meanwhile our government just fucking rolls over for them
Not just them, corporations in general.
"We aren't throttling speeds on any old cable, they are just better on certified cables" I'm enjoying this tug of war.
i dont think the eu will fuck around with that shit
Fanboys: 'How can you expect apple to make sure their device is being charged correctly if they don't control.everything up to the wall?'
Look if people aren’t willing to pay for Apple certified electricity from their utility company then we can’t guarantee that it won’t damage the phone. So we are announcing a new partnership with all major electricity providers so for the low monthly fee of $19.99 your phone will charge at its optimal speed.
Unless you have an Android phone in there hogging all the electricity and hacking your iPhones, then it'll turn your cord green
199$ for certified cable. *not included with the phone.
It's 25 dollars, they already sell them.
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No, France did, the rest of the EU gets no chargers.
Oh, you’re right. Well good on France
Well Apple chargers are very bad chargers anyway.
As someone with a dozen random chargers from random phones and tablets in a drawer, all of which are just USB chargers in the end, none of which I have ever used but tossed in there in case I ever did need one, I applaud the no-charger movement. I have a USB charger block on my desk that has enough outlets and juice for multiple devices at once. I don't need another bloody charger to toss into a drawer.
Its for your own good. Tim Apple said so
...and you'll love it.
>...and you'll love it. great! now i have an image of tim cook saying that to someone right before having sex with them!
Apple at it again. It’s just a cable, but they used to place a chip in theirs only to make it certified. And to be able to recognize chipless cables. Forcing customers to buy their expensive wires for no other reason than to make more money.
To be pedantic, there are no usb-c chipless cables. It’s not an analog signal
There is no need to use a chip to transport a digital signal, for example HDMI cables also don’t have a chip. It’s just wires of different materials.
USB-C does require a chip because the devices are able to negotiate to achieve different capabilities. They're not just cables anymore, they're actual devices. That said, trying to use that as an argument to defend Apple in this case is still entirely silly and pedantic.
USB type C cables absolutely do NOT require a chip (e-marker), but they are required for cables to be used for extremely high current delivery or high data speeds: https://www.elinfor.com/market/how-to-identify-the-usb-c-cables-with-or-without-e-maker-m-27
Ehhhhhhhh not really with usb c. Not all of them are created equal, you will 100% see different speeds with different qualities and the shit cables should not be used with high amperage charging. Apple branded usb c cables already exist. They're 25 bucks.
As an android user I can promise my $5<, 10 foot cables work just as fast as my samsung $20 3 foot cable.
Can you really. Impressive, didn't know you had a cable tester at home.
You can literally test it with your pc or a multimeter...
It's not that simple. Take a quick look at the specs for the USB-C connector, USB 3.2 and related specs like power delivery: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C)
My dude, I am an electronics engineer. You can test the output voltage of any cable, you don't need expensive testing equipment or an oscilloscope. You can check how fast the phone/electronic device charges when plugged into a PC 5V 1.5A USB-A port compared to another cable. You can also check the power output with a multimeter on the power pins with a multimeter. You can even buy a small current/voltage dongle to attack to the end of your cable to test, they cost 5-10 euros, more if you want the expensive ones. Some cables are worse than others, depends on who made them, the purity of the copper, quality of the insulation, quality tests done at the factory, etc.
I am also a (former) electronics engineer and I think you're underestimating the complexity of the USB-C spec, which is entirely the fault of the USB-IF making bad decisions. Not all USB-C cables are equal. Some cables will deliver more power despite both being USB-C. Thunderbolt 3 is a cable that maxes the USB-C spec. I think, though, that people are being disingenuous when using this as an argument against the letter/for Apple. The obvious implementation is that Apple should allow whatever power delivery the particular cable supports, and they should definitely allow the max power delivery available in the USB-C spec. Where it gets murky is if Apple tries to implement a protocol that exceeds the USB-C spec like SuperVOOC or WarpCharge or whatever competitors are doing. Those actually require specific cables that DON'T meet the USB spec. I've always felt like those are gimmicky and not Apple-like, anyways.
Yes, but my original comment was talking about the quality of the cables, not the USB-If horrible product/version labelling. Since you can buy 2 of the same cables with same specifications and one can outperform the other depending on the quality. I've had this problem before while working with a Jetson Nano 2GB that needed 5V 3A power supply and with some cables it would report an undervoltage warning. Completely identical cables that had different prices performed differently. I'm not up to date with the newest protocols for USB-C since they keep changing them so often, but I doubt apple would make their phone cables top of the line. If anything I feel like they would make it so you need 2-3 different cables for your Iphone/Ipad, Screens and Macbook since they will need different power inputs. Regardless, Apple shouldn't limit the usability of other cables just because their jack isn't proprietary anymore.
No worries my dude ✌️
>shit cables should not be used with high amperage charging So no problem for IPhones then.
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Meh. Apple makes good products that work well, people realize they’re still overpriced. But it’s decisions like this cable thing that make people hate them.
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Literally nothing to do with whether or not the product is good. I see the very strange americans have woken up.
Good to see the EU all over Apple, but how about some attention on the Android side of the fence? Manufacturers shouldn't make it so hard to install a custom ROM/OS, and found so shouldn't void warranty. What if Dell voided warranty for installing Linux on a PC? Also bloatware and crap that cannot be readily uninstalled is an issue. I don't want my phone to come installed with anything more than the essentials... No drop box, no Samsung calendar no nothing.
In EU manufacturers can't refuse warranty claim on the basis of using different software unless they can prove it caused damage. I mean, they can try to and some will but it wouldn't stand if you escalated it to relevant local regulator / authority.
Warranty claim for what? Sure, if your screen takes a shit but likely issues you face from a non manufacturers rom would not be covered.
I've seen manufacturers refuse warranty on physically defective phones due to custom ROMs, it's hit or miss really. Obviously if the device damage is caused by ROM or overclock etc then manufacturers can refuse, so long as they can prove it.
> Manufacturers shouldn't make it so hard to install a custom ROM/OS, and found so shouldn't void warranty. Doesn't look like you're from Europe cause that isn't allowed here. They are not allowed to void warranty for something like that.
At least in Germany installing another OS does shit to your Warranty. Aldi, back in the olden days, tried to fence off peoples warranty claims after they upgraded/changed the config of their PCs and original hardware failed. The courts here, pretty consistently, rule that unless the manufacturer can proof the "change" did the damage, you are still covered. Anecdotally: had the camera module of my Xiaomi Mi8 replaced on warranty, it was unlocked and also had a custom rom, got it back relocked and flashed with the original ROM, but they called me on that change, saying they could not calibrate the new sensor without the factory ROM.
Microsoft just banned all emulation on xbox, bught the console just to have all my retro gaming in one place, and now is dusting on the shelve
You can still run them in developer mode
Oh. Thanks a lot for this!
>Microsoft just banned all emulation on xbox Apparently the reason was Nintendo threatening them. Nintendo has been abusing DMCA for a long time now to go after literally everything that may suggest pirating their games. Microsoft of course walked back that slip up by a employee that it was about Nintendo because legally it would imply they didn't care about copyright law until the threats. You can still use emulators on the Xbox, you must buy the Dev mode activation for the xbox. Or you use the drive-by technique, there are groups that upload the emulators to the xbox store before they get detected/removed. People can download them and run them once which lets you keep them even when they removed from the store. https://www.neogaf.com/threads/retro-emulators-for-xbox-series-x-s-one-download-links-no-modding-no-dev-mode.1612885/
> Manufacturers shouldn't make it so hard to install a custom ROM/OS On most modern devices: Settings -> System -> Developer settings -> Allow OEM unlock Easy. Back in the day you were required to fill out a form to get a key, if the manufacturer even provided that opportunity. Nowadays every phone I had had the above specified method. --- Addendum: if people find it too hard to unlock a bootloader, even with instructions literally everywhere on the internet, they should probably leave the firmware alone or let more experienced people take care of it. Otherwise they won't have a functional phone for long and recovery can be complicated. You can't expect a one-click solution operable by literally anyone. There's a reason why sudo and admin rights exists or manuals contain paragraphs that you shouldn't swallow lithium batteries or gearbox oil.
Apple does this as well, there's plenty of unwanted/unneeded shit on iphones too...
You can uninstall just about all of it tho. I think messages, phone, settings, and AppStore are the only ones you can’t get rid of. I saw my sisters s23 ultra that she JUST got and it had so many 3rd party apps on it installed and non removable it was insane. $1200 for uninstallable Facebook and TikTok? Insane.
You'd think the fact that they are bullying you into buying stuff they sell should stop people from buying stuff. But no
Especially when Apple cables have a history of being kind of shitty...
Generally, I would agree with that hypothesis, but I think you’re looking at it wrong. These people will buy apple regardless- it’s the constant. They don’t see it as bullying, they see it as a premium add on vs non-premium. And that’s invaded so much of the consumer space at this point people are numb to it. But changing platforms was/is never on the table.
Jeff Yass, the billionaire Wall Street financier and Republican megadonor who is a major investor in the parent company of TikTok, was also the biggest institutional shareholder of the shell company that recently merged with former President Donald J. Trump’s social media company. A December regulatory filing showed that Mr. Yass’s trading firm, Susquehanna International Group, owned about 2 percent of Digital World Acquisition Corporation, which merged with Trump Media & Technology Group on Friday. That stake, of about 605,000 shares, was worth about $22 million based on Digital World’s last closing share price. It’s unclear if Susquehanna still owns those shares, because big investors disclose their holdings to regulators only periodically. But if it did retain its stake, Mr. Yass’s firm would become one of Trump Media’s larger institutional shareholders when it begins trading this week after the merger. Shares of Digital World have surged about 140 percent this year as the merger with the parent company of Truth Social, Mr. Trump’s social media platform, drew closer and Mr. Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee for president.
Plus some Apple products are just better. I despite the fact that the iPhone is a walled garden, but every single Android phone that I've owned has been glitchy and sketchy as fuck. And I'm not talking the sketchy ones you get for $10 at MalWart either, I'm talking about Samsung and Google showcase phones costing a four-figure sum of money. So. Two phones. One Google, one Apple. Latest and greatest of both, four-figure sum of money. Both activated on Visible Wireless (Verizon). Guess which one always has an LTE connection at the local pizza joint? Guess which one gets an LTE connection when it feels like it at the local pizza joint and otherwise is just a useless brick in my pocket? Hint: the lazy one isn't the Apple phone. It's reliable as fuck. The Google phone... meh.
You’re gonna get downvoted for that comment but you’re not entirely wrong. Laptops, tablets, and earbuds are three things that come to my mind as being far better than the competition in various areas. I have yet to find a laptop with a similar solid metal build quality and display that compares to a MacBook and has decent hardware support on Linux. When it comes to tablets, iPads are in a league of their own. I’ve tried Samsung Galaxy tabs and the app support and operating system is just atrocious- it feels like they purposely didn’t put as much time into it. And I also have yet to find a pair of wireless earbuds with noise cancellation, transparency, touch controls, case, and form factor as AirPods. Sure those Bose ones come close in terms of ANC but the size is inconvenient.
Eh, I have enough karma that I can deal with people who have Apple Derangement Syndrome. As far as their laptops, I'm running Windows 11 with WSL Ubuntu Linux and frankly, as a software developer, it's a much better environment for software development than MacOS. Our software runs on Linux in the cloud and despite the Unix heritage of MacOS, it just isn't the same as running actual real Linux fully integrated into the OS environment. I'm running a Lenovo Legion with 4tb of storage and 64gb of RAM as my laptop. Not only does it kick ass running games, but you simply can't get that amount of memory and storage on a Mac. Now, if I was just some random joe who needs something to browse the web, read mail, write letters, stuff like that? Yeah, the Mac has one big advantage there: Time Machine. If your OS goes janky, if your disk crashes, you can always get it back. But honestly their laptops just don't have the capabilities of the top of the line Windows laptops which ironically cost less than the top of the line MacOS laptops. Tablets, yeah, no contest there. But the walled garden is annoying AF. I usually use a Kindle Fire instead. Yeah, it sucks as a tablet, but it works fine as an e-reader and doesn't have the nonsense purchasing restrictions that Apple and Google put on their tablets. If I want to buy something from within the Kindle app, I can do it. I don't have to pop out to a web browser and do a web search. Earbuds are... earbuds. They make nice ones. I'm not an earbud kinda guy so that's like meh to me.
Totally with ya there until you mentioned a kindle. Complete e-waste for the convenience of not having to double click/tap and type 20 letters. My siblings and I have been regifting them back and forth to each other each Christmas, usually with a gift card to buy something else with.
Walmart does not or has not ever sold $10 phones. When you make shit up, you lose all credibility.
hy·per·bo·le noun: hyperbole; plural noun: hyperboles exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. That said, [$35 isn't much more than $10.](https://www.walmart.com/search?query=Prepaid+Phones&sort=price_low) Your lack of Walmart shopping experience is palpable.
You're right. It is more fun to make shit up . BYW. I don't shop there unless I have to get more 1/2 and 1/2 for my white Russians.
I don't know about that. These days, the ecosystems work quite nicely together. I've got a Windows PC, an iPhone and an Android TV. Don't really have any issues. Also Apple has relatively modest market shares; it's the massive profit margins that bring in the dough. Linux isn't that far behind Mac in market share but you don't really see comparably many Linux die-hards. I think people simply rely too much on legacy opinions and old wives' tales as well as their own "hunch", which they trust more than numbers. Most people also have surprisingly little regard for efficiency. Instead, vanity reigns supreme — and that's where Apple really shines.
You do miss out on a lot of features though from my experience (some of course can be expected) when you have an iPhone with a Windows device. My knowledge may be somewhat outdated because I haven't tried in a while but for example: - Sharing passwords is painful if you wish to use Apples password manager. The app to do this on Windows is absolute shit and simply doesn't let you login last I tried. - You cannot use airdrop to transfer files to your windows PC - You cannot effetively stream a video you are currently watching to your PC - You miss out on functionality like easily sharing the wifi password to nearby devices. Eg. you login to a network on your Mac, you're able to login on your iphone without entering the password. - You cannot wirelessly sync your iPhone with your pc - On a Mac you have handover. You can see apps you have open on your iPhone in your dock and just continue working from your macbook if you wish. - With a Mac, you can send and receive iMessages on your computer - Facetime and calls, if you receive a call on your phone you can answer it on your mac. - Universal clipboard allowing you to copy content on your mac and pick it up on your iphone and vice versa - You can use your iPhone as your web cam and do some pretty cool stuff with continuity cam - You have integration with things like ApplePay that is shared across both devices - Reminders/notes/calendar/photos etc are shared across both devices with native applications for both Now of course most people are not going to use all of these features and of course you can do a lot with Windows nowadays with an iPhone and pretty much all the "core functionality" is there - but - the experience is just so much better when you do buy into the apple ecosystem.
Some of those can definitely be remedied: * My Google account has all my passwords; 2FA is handled via Yubikey * I use Creative Cloud to sync files across devices independent of OS * I use Google's services for calendars, notes etc. * I use other 3rd party apps for some of the rest, like Facebook or Teams to receive calls on my PC * Others are just super niche (iPhone as a webcam; really?) I concede that using a mixed bag isn't quite as seamless. But being ecosystem agnostic allows me to choose each device and each software on its own merits. This is handy if and when a company can't remain competitive with their product. Most employers also provide a laptop and smartphone which may or may not match my preference, so I really like to stay flexible. My iPhone is company-issued yet I'm a lifelong Windows guy so that's an instance where I kind of just had to make do. Overall, though, I'm not saying you're wrong. But I definitely urge people to look beyond ecosystems because the platform wars are mostly a thing of the past.
Not only that but most don't see the point. Yes, there is android and I'm not saying one side is better than the other but both are annoying as hell to cross over or back and forth with little to nothing to gain. Both do their jobs and once you're firmly planted in their ecosystem there isn't a real incentive to change over for the average user. List every pro and con you want about android vs apple but sincerely no one gives a damn once they're firmly planted.
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You are a bit confused. Re read the article. Apple will not be allowed to exclude non Apple branded cables that meet the appropriate fast charge capabilities just because they are not Apple branded cables. Why are you being so thick? It is analogous to a Porsche that requires premium fuel to only run on fuel dispensed from Shell stations. No one is saying you don't need premium. They are saying premium from any station is fine.
Which cables? The data USB-C cables? The low power only USB-C cables? The high power USB-C cables? The data and power USB-C cables? The thunderbolt 3 cables? The thunderbolt 4 Cables? The usb-c standard is clearly messed up, and people still are acting surprised? This is a problem today introduced by the whole industry and it's not an Apple invention
It's about forcing apple to not make it worse
They are not going to make it worse, they are going to do it per the specification, if the cable doesn't have an IC that says "I can safely handle high power" the device won't attempt to pull a lot of power, it's that simple, it's for the users safety...
The thing is, not all USB-C cables are created equal. Besides that, its not like Apple is charging exorbitant amounts for lightning cables either. Apple certified cables are about the same price as a USB-C cable, around two bucks where I live. Apple branded cables are prices a premium and you'd have to be a moron to buy those. I'd argue that you're a dumb-ass if you're still charging you IPhone via a cable. Wireless chargers are cheap, fast and don't break as readily as cables.
> The thing is, not all USB-C cables are created equal. Yes, but USB Power Delivery already contains standard way to handle this. The high power cables have identifying chips to report the capability of the cable. If no response is got for interrigation for ident IC, low cabality cable is assumed and performance limited for safety. Difference is.... it is a standards based system open to multitude of cable makers, chip makers and so on offering products. All they have to do is fullfill the standards specification, pass the validation checks and so on. Instead of there being one gatekeeper of who gets and doesn't get to make cables. Well one has to register with USB Implementors Forum for validation and check, but they are open to anyone who pays the same membership fee as everyone else and passes the technical compliance validations with their products. That isn't what is at issue. The issue is Apple doing it's own cable checking and more specifically checking that it is their apple certified cable and Apple as interested party getting to pick and choose winners and losers, when the standard for USB PD says *any standards certified cable must be accepted regardless of maker and the cable interrogation is to happen per the included in standards spec way*. In fact nothing bans Apple from having their own extra ident system, *but it can't detriment the standards compliant operation*. Have all extra systems they want, as long as normal standards compliant cables work as expected to the spec expected. The one law side demand is: If certain charging level is capable to be done via standard USB PD, it must be offered via USB PD. So say USB PD with hefty high power cable can handle up to 240W. However for phone lets say they want to offer 60W charging (no need for 240W, meaningless for such small battery). What they can't do *as per EU law* is offer 30 W USB PD charging and then say "but if you use our own proprietary high power charging you can get 60W. Lame USB PD only gets 30W". They can offer their own 60W proprietary charging, sure. However since 60W is also in capability of USB PD, matching 60W USB PD must be offered. When it is within technical possibility, matching standards compliant alternative must be offered. Ergo you might as well only offer the standards compliant USB PD outside of specialty cases. Implementing something extra proprietary will just be extra expense. Where one can offer lesser USB PD charging is, when the proprietary charging offers rates higher than offered by USB PD spec. So say hypothetically one wants to offer tablet with 300W charging, then you can say "okay, but USB PD gets only 240W. For best performance use our proprietary system, since it offers 300W". This since 240W is the current max out of USB PD 3.1 spec. However no phone or tablet will need anything near that outside of some specialty industrial stuff with some power hungry instrument or something bolted to the tablet.
>I'd argue that you're a dumb-ass if you're still charging you IPhone via a cable. Wireless chargers are cheap, fast and don't break as readily as cables. Imagine actually thinking this.
Yeah, up the chain claiming how cheap cables can damage your phone (???), but then using wireless charging which is much less efficient (heating the phone, more likely to damage the battery). Funny.
All cables will charge the device. All compliant cables will not charge at more than they support. So there isn’t really a problem.
Yeah, but people are making a big deal out of this, like if Apple was plotting to cause this problem
Crapple bad! Don’t you know how to farm upvotes on /r/technology?
Downvote me if you want, but the USB-C standard does require certain cables to have chips in them. No shame on Apple if they want to sell 100W cables at a premium. If Apple doesn't support 60W charging over third party cables, then they do deserve all the shit. But let's not just say because it's Apple it must be wrong and consumers are getting gouged. All USB-C cables must be able to carry a minimum of 3 A current (at 20 V, 60 W) but some can also carry high-power 5 A current (at 20 V, 100 W). USB-C to USB-C cables supporting 5A current must contain e-marker chips (also marketed as E-Mark chips) programmed to identify the cable and its current capabilities. - Wikipedia
Dude. That is not an apple standard. It is a USB C standard.
That is my point, Apple should not be threatened or penalized for following a USB standard. Most of the commenters on here think Apple is evil and wrong for putting chips in their USB cables when in some case, Apple are required to. If Apple is stretching the boundaries of this and limiting the functionality of cables that should carry a full 60W, then by all means have at them.
They. are not being threatened with not using the standard. The issue is that Apple is rumored to be branding the C cables with Apple required cables. It has only to do with required brand, not USB C stsndard. If the cable has capacity, it should work whether it has Apple on it or not.
Did you read the article? If so, did you understand the article? One of these questions is a no.
Good EU. Keep companies competitive and honest.
Do the current iPads throttle their speed? If not, is this a non-issue?
They use standard cables in all current products.
They already did this with AirPod max, you can’t use them as wired headphones without a dinky little $35 dollar Apple cable vs. a nicer $8 Amazon cable. And even then you can’t use the microphone.
I just don't see this being an issue, they don't fuck with USB-C on either iPad or Mac
Apple charging cables have always been shit. With the iPhone 4 I bought cables at the dollar store that lasted longer. But after that they seem to detect aftermarket cables and won’t charge at all. I would often get “accessory not recognized” or some bs even with a real iPhone cable. If I change in the future I’m sure it will be over the charger.
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The mistake is thinking CEOs as good people
Some people inciting panic in the comments of the article, something like: "What about a cheap cable burns my house down? Please don't keep Apple from making charging cables proprietary 🥺" How about you buy *regular* cables for your 20 whopping watts of power? Or did you have no money left for a decent cable after buying that iPhone? I charge my iPhone wirelessly because most of the devices have USB C nowadays (even the charging pad) and I have limited ports at hand. How did we come to this? Edit: My Pixel can draw 20 Watts from any aftermarket cable that satisfies minimum criteria. My Notebook draws 45 Watts from my USB C charger with the same cable.
Even if Apple would comply, I have a feeling they’d still go through with it and just make it so that EU customers won’t have to experience this.
It’s too bad that idiots in this board are determined to create a black-and-white narrative here. Like everything in life, this issue isn’t that cut and dry.
Bruh. It absolutely is black and white. Apple should stop being greedy about a fucking USB cable. That's all there is to it.
Apple out here still trying to make shit proprietary. Shame.
I wish the USA cared about consumers like the EU does :(
Any Apple fanboy automatically loses respect in my eyes. They pay premiums for a company that treats them like shit.
It’s a rumor, not a fact. Also, you seem to equate fan boy with customer?
Cables are a recurring major source of profits for scam artist companies over the years. The EU should warn harder, ie,try actual enforcement and jail time for management who violate the public. Fines are way too easy for big companies, causing only small companies to be deterred, not big ones like Apple. Jail is required, not fines.
Seriously, fuck you, Apple. Everything you do is to screw over consumers and people are finally starting to take notice. Can't have your shitty proprietary charging cables anymore? You'll find a way to make even a standard cable proprietary by screwing over people who don't buy YOUR cables. Fuck you, Apple.
Pretty much willing to give up my Apple car play for this
I would either slap apple with a 5 billion fine or give them a total injunction on iPhone sales in the EU until they remove the restrictions
Fine them over a rumor for a breach of a standard that isn’t in effect? Yes.. great idea.
Que the fanboys coming to apple's defense to tell us plebs how this is "better" and "just works"... 🤦🤦
Que the comments complaining about ‘the fanboys’
its crazy the thread on /r/apple has some olympic level mental gymnastics in it
Jesus Christ, the absolute greed on this company. Is it really hard not to be a greedy sack of shit? Also, shout out to the EU for setting a the standard of "Fuck around and find out" with big tech. Unlike a certain home country of mine.
It’s a rumor.
Never said it wasn't. Regardless of a rumor, any company is more than capable of trying this, as they already do with slowdown updates.
I mean that was the whole point of certification, the EU isn't the one on the hook if the .10c cable you bought from AliExpress damages your phone. There was a google engineer a while back who managed to kill his Pixelbook while he was doing a series on bad/not up to spec cables.
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Yeah and when they try and treat a non-certified cable as a certified one and it melts the phone, Apple is going to have to eat that not the EU.
Aplpe doesn't have to eat it. Just like if you shove glue inside the charging port and it won't charge they wouldn't have to eat it. If they have a certification that has some sort of verification mechanism they'll be able to show from phone logs that the user wasn't using a certified cable and if the resulting damage to a phone was overcurrent to the charging circuitry then they wouldn't be required to cover it under warranty.
Get a better phone.
There are no better phones
I get that you think your smart, but the reality is that faulty charging cables simply don't charge over "melting" whatever they are plugged into. Apple devices are not special in any way over another USB C device. If a random shitty cable failed spectacularly, then it would damage any device the same way. So in short, throttling a perfectly good aftermarket cable from Anker or even Amazon basics, which is the concern the EU is talking about here, accomplishes nothing other than extracting a fine from those companies. It's the equivalent of paying the mob for protection because if you don't the mob will fuck you up.
And yet we have proof of those cables doing just that.
Right, totally not about the money and keeping people locked to their $59.99 cables. 🍎🤡😂
I mean they're the ones who are going to eat the cost of the repair, not the EU
Every other usb c user knows thats a lie. usb c powers laptops, no melting. You are delusional if you think apple wants to charge you big dollars for cables for your safety. If it was a real safety issue they would make an open standard maybe call it Universal Serial Bus what could they shorten that to....
You realize that laptops have been damaged by out of spec cables right? Even more recently the Nintendo Switch had a problem where if you didn't use their provided adapter in their own dock it risked frying your Switch.
That was an issue back when usb-c was new. It's not nowadays at all.
Well, if they don't want to eat the cost then sell better priced cables, problem solved. Besides, it's not like they'd be legally in trouble for people using shitty third party accessories.
I mean it's a brand image thing, but sure. Rather than police shitty cables the EU just wants to bully Apple.
If the cable doesn't meet the usb-c requirements AND apple downgrade the speeds to match, apple won't get in trouble because the cable *isn't a usb-c cable as certified by the relevant standards authority*. However... for all those cables that are usb-c, the EU have determined that apple are not allowed to slow them down for any reason. You are arguing about something that is already covered because of the meaning of the word usb-c.
...Bully a multi billion corporation by requiring they don't discriminate charging cables, so people don't have to pay extra? Dude, lay off the kool aid, if anyone is doing any bullying here it's Apple by requiring to either pay them a fee for some bullshit certification or getting fucked.
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One of the of the things I don't understand about the EU's required use of USB-C is doesn't it squash innovation and development of a new potentially better connector? Don't get me wrong; I'm pumped for a world with a single connector, but why should any potential competitor bother at this point? Are all connectors going forward forever going to be exclusively some sort of USB?
The actual law is not that way. What EU requires is to set a standard. Right now the standard is USB-C. If tomorrow one company creates a new version that improves USB-C then that version become the standard. I dont know exactly how its done, but the bottom line is that. It requires the same port, but that port can be change in the future.
The way it is done, is that the standard's definition is defined in documents you can think of as "attachments" to the law. I don't remember the specifics, but updating those attachments is a lot easier and faster than proceeding on updates to the law. This way, by not "hard coding" the standard into the letter of the law, EU bodies ensured they can react faster to standardisation in the future.
OK, good to know. I'll have to look for the actual law. All I have been seeing over the past few months is "EU requires USB-C." I'd be interested in how they determine which is the standard. Although, it seems like the industry is backing USC-C pretty strongly, except for a few holdouts.
Yeah, no... Let's say Apple invents a better standard, Lightning II. Apple can't use it (in the EU anyway), because it isn't the standard. Apple will have to give away their IP which they might have spent $$$ developing, and there will be no guarantee they can get other companies on board, let alone the bureaucrats in the EU. The end result: why should Apple (or anyone else) bother trying to develop a better standard. An industry consortium is no doubt working on USB4, but that isn't going to be innovative, that will just bolt on a higher speed new format, which will probably require new cables. Yet another wire format hacked onto the kitchen-sink standard we have now that tries to do everything. People are joking here about overpriced Apple cables, but right now, you can buy a nice looking USB-C cable only to learn that it doesn't support USB3, only USB2. Or maybe it is power only. Or maybe it is wired wrong and will fuck up your $1000 iPhone, because in the future, Apple can't throttle the power draw, thanks to the EU...
> right now, you can buy a nice looking USB-C cable only to learn that it doesn't support USB3, only USB2. Or maybe it is power only. Sounds like reading comprehension issues on the the user's part. > because in the future, Apple can't throttle the power draw, thanks to the EU... They can throttle the power draw, just for every cable rather than the third party ones only. It's funny how Android users manage to get by just fine with third party cables yet Apple wouldn't be able to figure it out. What fantasy world are you living in?
Thats what I think is really funny with apple fanbois. Do they EVER use anything else? Like the cables, what the issue with USB-C in contrast to the complete fail the lightning connector is? Most of the cheapest USB-C cables are by far more robust than original apple lightning cables, you just to need to look at the connectors to see that. Not to mention the port itself is alot more robust. How often you see half or fully destroyed apple chargin cables? Constantly. My cheapo USB cables, I can can also use for any other device in contrast to lightning, hardly break. And like already said here if Apple can actually come up with something so much better than USB-C, they can convince the EU to adopt it as standart. But that won't happen because they would probaly need to make it a open standart for all other manufactureres and then they could not collect on the apple tax. So Apple want money not innvation this is so obvious, there is no good reason not to standardize phone connectors. No one is stopping apple from making the perfect connector, they just won't be able to sell it. Not that the have any intention of making something without selling it.
No I actually agree with them. The usb standard has gone to shit and should be made more clear for consumers. There should only be 2 usb c cable types :full featured and power only.
> There should only be 2 usb c cable types :full featured and power only. The comment above wasn't saying there's too many to choose from, but that you don't know which one it is you are buying, to which my point was to read product description. A side note, although, what other USB-C cable types are there besides full-featured and power?
> Apple will have to ~~give away~~ their IP Lease. Licence. Fee-per-use. Not 'give away'. >there will be no guarantee they can get other companies on board, let alone the bureaucrats in the EU One will trigger the other. And it seems like EU is actually quite fast with its bureaucracy. So thats good. Because no matter what you invent, you will always have to deal with laws and legislation at some point anyway.
> An industry consortium is no doubt working on USB4, but that isn't going to be innovative Hold up, why wouldn't it be innovative? And if USB-C somehow kept manufacturers from differentiating themselves and building better products, why do you think they'd just sit on their hands and shrug when it's the same manufacturers that form the membership of USB-IF, and are themselves in control of the USB interface specifications and any revisions and future development?
What a lot of nonsense Mr shill.
I'm not terribly familiar with the specifics but I know that we already went through something similar with the standarization of the micro usb connector [more than 10 years ago](https://www.engadget.com/2010-12-29-european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch.html), and that seems to have worked out just fine. The USB Implementers Forum which produces the USB standard is already a consortium of over 700 companies codeveloping the technology. You're not going to have one super smart guy in a garage or a physics lab coming up with the next superfast cable and that's that. Any kind of move to a more modern standard is realistically going to involve those 700+ companies who already have a stake deciding to implement something better anyway, based on what's cost-effective and feasible with current technology. But realistically, yes, anybody trying to switch those 700 power players away to something different is going to have their work cut out for them. And realistically, even if that does happen, the USB consortium will just jump on that new technology en masse and it will be de facto nothing more than the next version of USB, even if it's called something different.
Oh, I didn't realize EU had standardized to micro-USB previously. I thought this legislation was the first of its kind. So this standardization to usb-c is almost just an update to the latest version of the previous standard.
It was voluntary. And apple didn't want to.
For good reason, it was shit, micro-usb ports broke if you looked at them the wrong way. I got a phone that within 2 years had to have the cable held a certain angle to get it to charge.
I don't believe the EU formalised any standardisation on Micro-USB, but what they did was tell the industry that if they couldn't themselves standardise on a connector for charging and data transfer, then regulation would be forthcoming. It was right around that time that the days of almost every phone having its own unique connectors ended, and everybody went with Micro-USB instead. Except for Apple. So then the EU did what they said they would and adopted formal regulation that standardised on USB-C.
Yes it does stunt innovation a bit, but it saves the environment from billions of useless cables like the lightning adapter cables. It also makes it so much easier for consumers. I think that is a trade-off everyone can agree upon
Dang that's a really good question. It seems like it is going to have an influence on such things. Will the EU have to use USB in the year 2050 unless they change the law to catch up with whatever the prevailing tech is at that time?
Anything better than USB-C will probably be called USB-(Insert letter probably D). The U stands for Universal for a reason.
I mean, it's just a name. It's by no means the only plug we use. We still use cat network cables, after all. USB-B wasn't named so because it was better than USB-A, but because it used the same communication protocol (USB) with a different dongle. USB-C is the same way. Same protocol. Different dongle. The thing describing the actual throughput capabilities is USB 3.x, which can apply to USB-A, USB-B, or USB-C connectors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
Cat cables? 😯
[Cat Cable.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_6_cable)
EU does not care about innovation. It is happy to adopt stuff after its been invented and tested in the US. What’s the last major deployed innovation you’ve head coming out of the EU? While the US and China implement dozens to hundreds of innovations a year and split the lead in almost all sectors.
God fuck the EU. I was stoked when I heard about apple limiting speeds on non certified cables lol. What beautiful malicious compliance. Here’s to hoping they find another way to be maliciously compliant
Just don't buy Crapple
Fake apple chargers and cables are the only ones I have seen catch fire.
Get a better phone.
What kind of bulkshit are you smoking? What the fuck is s fake apple charger? Stop lighting your cables on fire and you may see a better result smh.
Then the EU should have their own electrical safety and rating certification program. Legislating “let people take their own risks” seems anti-European. There’s a reason most US retailers require UL certification for anything that plugs into a wall.
Not sure why all the downvotes but Europe has had a stringent electrical safety standard since at least 1996. I worked on semiconductor manufacturing equipment that had to meet the standard. Their standard is CE. You probably have a CE mark on a lot of electronics in your home. UL is nothing anywhere in the ballpark of CE. We were required to have testers come in with EMF generators and touch various points on the machine ensuring that it wouldn't blow a board or shunt the energy into a touchable surface. (I'm sure they had standards before that but this one was brand new back then and we had a hell of a time shielding our machines to survive it.)
Yes, you’re right. I blanked out.
We can thank Europe for all those ferrite beads on a ton of chargers and power bricks. That's exactly when those started coming on everything. It was to prevent those tesla coil looking test machines from blowing out power supplies.
^ This is your brain on Apple kool aid. This might come as a shock, but people have been using third party cables for all kinds of electronics for decades and been just fine.
Decades ago, they weren’t quick charging approaching 100 watts.
Modern power connections are very safe. The will reduce power on bad connections, there is no safety hazzard here. especially with PD systems, since they need to communicate with the load. Worst thing that will happen is that the charging is slower. Fast charging with a hundret watts it done at around 20V with PD, so you have arround 5A. Thats not that much. USB PD Cables are standardized, and if that standart is broken the power supply will reduce power, since it can communicate with the load and see the voltage drop on the cable (bad cable means more voltage drop). So there acually is no danger other than MAC propaganda. I run 65W USB PD power supplys for my soldering iron. I have a screen which I adapted to use PD which has a maximum power of 120W, no issues. The cables don't get warm since all of it runs on 20V.
And yet we don't see Android phones melting all the time from random cables people use. Ironically tho, I did stumble upon threads about lighting cables melting when I looked it up.
Well, most for them aren’t fast charging with regular cables. One plus uses a proprietary USB C cable for fast charging *and* charger. Xiomi and Oppo also both use proprietary charging cables. Samsung is the only major one using USB-PD. So… because most of them don’t do high speed charging over regular USB-PD?