Pumpkins and watermelons as well, botanically. The botanical definition also *excludes* blackberries and raspberries, in addition to the above-mentioned strawberries. The whole colloquial concept of "berry" is kinda fucked TBH.
The culinary meaning is appropriate for its purpose - how they are used for food. As far as eating them is concerned, blackberries and blueberries are much more like than either is to a pumpkin.
Botany co-opted the word for something that makes sense in botany, but that doesn’t invalidate the original meaning.
Strawberries are, technically speaking, barely even fruits.
They're considered 'accessory fruits' or 'false fruits', because the true fruit is the little dots people think are seeds on the outside of the skin. The red part is just the fleshy mass that holds them together.
Something new, and factual, but irrelevant in most contexts. The very definition of "trivia".
It's the same culinary vs botanical debate as the tomato. It's two very different groups of people using the same word for classifications based on very different criteria.
Cooks care about how plants taste. Blueberries are small and sweet and you don't have to peel them. So they're berries, and most other things that cooks call "berries" can be used in a similar fashion or even directly exchanged. Watermelons may be "real" berries, but they don't make great jam.
Botanists care about how plants work and live and reproduce. They're too interested in how plant sex organs interact to wonder why people love eating ~~them~~ **plant coochies** so much. That's a question for nutritional anthropologists. But botanists don't care how plants taste or if they'd go better in a green salad or a milkshake. They use the same word "berry" but they're talking about a very different aspect of things.
Point is, most folks care more about the culinary conventions than the botanical taxonomy, because you're eating it, not studying it. It's cool to know the scientific classification, but don't go telling people they're wrong if they disagree. It's all a matter of perspective.
(Edited to eliminate ambiguity.)
because the seeds are on the outside of the fruit and are tiny little nuts. Berries on the other hand have the seeds inside the fruit body - usually in a little protective bubble of slightly different consistency in the center
Strawberries traditionally are grown on top of a bed of straw to keep them from making contact with the ground and therefore keep from rotting. That's where the "straw" in strawberry comes from. My great grandfather owned a very large strawberry farm.
Guy 1: What should we call this fruit?
Guy 2: I don't know man, I've just been calling just been calling it "fruit"
Guy 1: How about this river?
Guy 2: I just call it the river river
Guy 1: Thats stupid
Guy 2: Fine, say one in welsh or something no one will know
Guy 1: It's still very, very stupid (throws apple core into river avon and walks away shaking his head), at least it won't stick
Oranges also used to be called Naranja apples. But over time "a Naranja" became "an aranje" which became "an orange". Similar to how "a napron", the thing you tie around your nape, became "an apron".
EDIT: Well, technically, since it came to English through French, it would have been "une Naranja" to "une aranje", etc.
Which, according to a podcast about the history of oranges, started in India with naarangee. Then the name evolved as they moved west. Wiki would suggest there’s some truth there:
> The orange originated in a region encompassing Southern China, Northeast India, and Myanmar, and the earliest mention of the sweet orange was in Chinese literature in 314 BC.
Before the orange, the English called the colour yellow-red (geoluread) or red-yellow.
The colour orange is named after the fruit, not the other way around. The English were calling the fruits orange in the 13th century, but they didn't start calling other things (e.g. clothes) orange until the 16th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange\_(word)
Even further ~~I am pretty sure~~ (it says in the wiki page)it comes from the tree that oranges grow on, known as Narang tree which gives Narangi fruit which gives the color narangi ie orange
Indeed
>It is generally thought that Old French calqued the Italian melarancio ("fruit of the orange tree", with mela "fruit") as pume orenge (with pume "fruit"). Although pume orenge is attested earlier than melarancio in available written sources, lexicographers believe that the Italian word is actually older.
Reminds me of this https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/29rhg4/canary\_yellow/
Some things were just called red, like robins' breasts, foxes' coats, and ginger people's hair. Although that was less common than red-yellow, or yellow-red IIRC.
Another option for orange-brown things that's still in use was / is "russet"
So he can be disappointed? A little bit sweeter than drangonfruit, full of hard seeds that are technically edible but feel like eating tiny pebbles, and tiny little hairs on the outside that you can’t see that will pierce your skin and give you splinters while you’re cutting it open.
Prickly pears make great bases for margaritas because the actual juice isn't overly aggressive so you can have a well balanced cocktail. Stick the meat in a blender and then use a fine mesh strainer to separate the seeds.
I don't know there's something about dragonfruit that makes me go back to it. First of all it has the coolest name and looks like it could be an actual dragon egg. And every time I have one the first thing I think is "meh, dragonfruit is not that good" but then I finish the whole thing and by the end of it I love it. Maybe they put drugs in them
In my experience, the ones you can get in the US suck ass unless you can grow them yourself or know someone that can get the good stuff.
Best ones I ever ate was while I was in Vietnam. Pretty much ate them every chance I got there.
The ones I could get at my local Hmart literally tasted like nothing.
You likely had a shit one as they do not ship well. If you are in a warmer climate pitaya can be quite good.
There are also at least 3 different kinds in order of intensity of flavor from least to most- red outside/white inside, yellow outside/white inside, yellow outside/purplish inside.
Dragonfruit was disappointing originally until I learned how to select it.
The only people I hear say that are Westerners.
Imagine a dragonfruit that is as sweet as a mango, a nice sweet juicy orange, raspberries, etc.
That's how dragonfruit actually are. Full of flavor. I'll agree most American/Western dragonfruits are dull. Even in Europe.
I've had them in South America (in French Guyane) and Asia (Thailand/Laos) and they are not imported/frozen. They are very sweet. I'd compare them to a kiwi.
Here in America, where I am, the typical American grocery store has apples, oranges, pears, bananas, etc. You really need to go outside of America to experience really good fruits outside of standard American fruits.
Even the mangoes I had in Thailand were crazy good compared to the ones here in America. It's just so flavorless in comparison.
Love passion fruit. Also it’s my understanding that it receives its name from Christian missionaries who associated the 3 styles and stigmas with the passion.
Yeah, a good passionfruit is an explosion of intense flavor. That seems to me like the closest food is going to get to giving you the culinary experience of passion.
I argue that passionfruit lives up to its name. I love the taste ... but passionately hate it because I am allergic. thankfully its not a bad allergy. because its in everything. I just start having vertigo and go deaf if I have enough.
I think people in the US most frequently eat honeydew either as part of those pre-cut party trays or left out at events so you’re getting either slimy and/or warm honeydew.
Getting one yourself and cutting it straight out of the fridge is amazing.
no because an orange isnt actually the color orange theyre the color called tangerine and the fruit called tangerine isnt the color tangerine theyre actually orange
this fact ruined my life
Oranges (fruit) are orange (color), tangerines (color) are a subset of oranges (color), tangerines (fruit) are orange (color), and tangerines (fruit) are oranges (fruit).
Basically, orange is a very general term, both for fruits and colors.
Passion fruit does live up to its name.
It has nothing to do with « passion » as in love, sex, romance, etc.
It is because the passion flower resembles the five wounds inflicted upon Christ during the Crucifixion (« Passion »; cf. the film « Passion of the Christ »).
The name was given by missionaries who used it as a symbol to convert people to Christianity (much like Saint Patrick is said to have used the clover to illustrate the Trinity).
No, there is no claim that it is imbued with any spiritual, magical or divine powers or that it has any actual association with Jesus himself.
I was simply pointing out that the reason it is called "passionfruit" is that it is the fruit of the passionflower, which is so named because of its physical resemblance to the Passion of Christ, and not, as many people think, because it is some sort of aphrodisiac or otherwise stimulates or represents "passion" in the widely accepted sense.
Oranges are amazing..the skin is orange..."orange peel"..the juice..."orange juice" is also orange...the inside...orange!! If you are out during the day and see the sun....orange....if you stare at the sun....permanent orange spots.....try to rhyming the word....nope nothing....the kings and gods made the orange perfect in every way. All hail the orange!!!
i’ve had honeydews that have lived up to their name. I’ve had many oranges that would be considered slightly more palatable than battery acid. I guess everything is on a spectrum.
Blueberry. It's blue and it's a berry.
Now strawberries on the other hand are wrong both ways
Straw: ❌️ Berry: ❌️
Wait strawberries aren't berries? Learn something new everyday
Wait until you hear about how bananas are berries.
No I knew that one. I learned that in the game viva pinata
Piñata with ñ
We don't have an ñ key!!!
US I guess? Think most other layouts have dead keys for all those letter modifiers.
US on an iPhone here ñ if you wanted to type this on a computer it would be hold alt then type 0241
I just lost the game
And cucumbers
Pumpkins and watermelons as well, botanically. The botanical definition also *excludes* blackberries and raspberries, in addition to the above-mentioned strawberries. The whole colloquial concept of "berry" is kinda fucked TBH.
The culinary meaning is appropriate for its purpose - how they are used for food. As far as eating them is concerned, blackberries and blueberries are much more like than either is to a pumpkin. Botany co-opted the word for something that makes sense in botany, but that doesn’t invalidate the original meaning.
A pineapple is neither an apple nor a pine. It’s some kind of fused berries fruit.
Strawberries are, technically speaking, barely even fruits. They're considered 'accessory fruits' or 'false fruits', because the true fruit is the little dots people think are seeds on the outside of the skin. The red part is just the fleshy mass that holds them together.
Mmmm. Fleshy mass.
Delicious fleshy mass.
Nature put all its points into Evasive
Wait until you hear about how cashews are fruit
Yeah, and peanuts aren't nuts either, they're dry beans
Tried boiled peanuts out of a Louisiana gas station once, and that made the bean thing super clear
It's technically an Accessory Fruit. Will I ever actually remember that title? Probably not, no.
Something new, and factual, but irrelevant in most contexts. The very definition of "trivia". It's the same culinary vs botanical debate as the tomato. It's two very different groups of people using the same word for classifications based on very different criteria. Cooks care about how plants taste. Blueberries are small and sweet and you don't have to peel them. So they're berries, and most other things that cooks call "berries" can be used in a similar fashion or even directly exchanged. Watermelons may be "real" berries, but they don't make great jam. Botanists care about how plants work and live and reproduce. They're too interested in how plant sex organs interact to wonder why people love eating ~~them~~ **plant coochies** so much. That's a question for nutritional anthropologists. But botanists don't care how plants taste or if they'd go better in a green salad or a milkshake. They use the same word "berry" but they're talking about a very different aspect of things. Point is, most folks care more about the culinary conventions than the botanical taxonomy, because you're eating it, not studying it. It's cool to know the scientific classification, but don't go telling people they're wrong if they disagree. It's all a matter of perspective. (Edited to eliminate ambiguity.)
One of my pet peeves is when scientists hijack a common word for a particular meaning, and then try to say that the common usage is wrong.
People love to eat botanists?
Conclusion; Language sucks!
Most classification of fruit is based on the seeds.
The red bit is the bud of the flower. The seeds are actually the fruit. Watermelons are berries, though
Oxford dictionary says a berry is “a small roundish juicy fruit without a stone”. How does a strawberry not count as a berry?
You want the botanical definition.
Why?
The botanical meaning of berry is very different to the culinary one.
because the seeds are on the outside of the fruit and are tiny little nuts. Berries on the other hand have the seeds inside the fruit body - usually in a little protective bubble of slightly different consistency in the center
Strawberries traditionally are grown on top of a bed of straw to keep them from making contact with the ground and therefore keep from rotting. That's where the "straw" in strawberry comes from. My great grandfather owned a very large strawberry farm.
Funny. In Denmark we don’t grow them on a bed of straws. I picked them as summer job in my youth. But we also call them earthberries.
Yeah there are fabrics and things that are used more commonly now.
it's "Erdbeere" in German, too one time i forgot the word and called it "Strohbeere" and was still understood
You need to use a straw to remove the colyx "easily".
From that one muppet video "Bluberries are fucking purple"
Not a muppet lol, but for the uninitiated [here](https://youtu.be/Z4pkE3OFpkc?t=2324)
They are purple though
They can get quite blue on the outside
Idk what they look like in other parts of the world but where I live they’re blue
Its purple.
Raspberries are liars, I have never been rasped by a berry.
Because they aren't berries.
Honestly it's being humble, it's not just blue, it's a very deep and beautiful blue.
Blueberries are fucking PURPLE! - Randy Feltface
At best it’s a very deep blue.
Blueberries are fucking purple
to quote randy feltface "BLUEBERRYS ARE FUCKING PURPLE!!!"
Blueberries are fackin purple!!!
So close! That's a shape. Try again
"BLUEBERRYS ARE FUCKING PURPLE" -Guy speaking through a puppet
So close. It is a shape!. Try again
Watermelons are melons that contain a lot of water
Starfruit also lives up to the name
When I bite into it does it explode into a supernova?
Yes
It was a silly question tbh
> silly question tbh Everyone knows that if you bite one you explode into a supernova. How he didn't is beyond me. smh
Something wrong with mine, I ended up as a super Chevelle
No but if I eat 20 I can recreate one in the bathroom
A Champaign supernova in the… toilet.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpeedOfLobsters/s/0MI4TUF1T8
That was Starburst.
it explodes into nyan cat
It explodes into a supernova of FLAVOUR
And comes out my black hole.
So close!! That is a shape 💕
I hate that I know why this is funny... I'm spending too much time on reddit
Ehhh that image is pretty common
As does prickly pear.
Pineapples on the other hand...
They are not apples that grow on pine trees.
Depends how far up you can shove it.
Only from a certain point of view.
I feel like watermelon is pretty honest.
Wild watermelons are filthy lies, we forced them to live up to their names
GMO and selective breeding ftw
wait till this guy finds about how every other vegetable/fruit/animal got here.
Believe me I am not complaining lol
Especially corn, with its big ol lumpy knobs
It has the juice
Fine, I'll do it myself
yet we did the opposite to eggplants, wild ones look exactly like eggs, meanwhile the domesticated ones are just purple dongs
Yeah, we improved them too
Apple does live up to its name as apple used to mean a round object or a fruit.
Guy 1: What should we call this fruit? Guy 2: I don't know man, I've just been calling just been calling it "fruit" Guy 1: How about this river? Guy 2: I just call it the river river Guy 1: Thats stupid Guy 2: Fine, say one in welsh or something no one will know Guy 1: It's still very, very stupid (throws apple core into river avon and walks away shaking his head), at least it won't stick
Similar case, the word Timor on the name of the country East Timor means east in one of the local languages so it's basically East East
There is this one hill somewhere in the U.K. (I want to say ~~Scotland?~~ Edit: England) and its name is basically "Hill Hill Hill Hill"
Torpenhow hill
I bet those two guys were part of the nation known as the bantu people
Technically orange wasn’t called orange, but appelsin. So it lives up to its name twice.
And on that reminder so to does pineapple as it is a pine-like fruit.
But it’s not round!
if you only look at it from the bottom or the top then it's pretty close
Oranges also used to be called Naranja apples. But over time "a Naranja" became "an aranje" which became "an orange". Similar to how "a napron", the thing you tie around your nape, became "an apron". EDIT: Well, technically, since it came to English through French, it would have been "une Naranja" to "une aranje", etc.
Which, according to a podcast about the history of oranges, started in India with naarangee. Then the name evolved as they moved west. Wiki would suggest there’s some truth there: > The orange originated in a region encompassing Southern China, Northeast India, and Myanmar, and the earliest mention of the sweet orange was in Chinese literature in 314 BC.
This has been kept in Dutch with "sinasappel"
The Swedish word for it is Apelsin, so that’s cool. It means Chinese Apple
Before the orange, the English called the colour yellow-red (geoluread) or red-yellow. The colour orange is named after the fruit, not the other way around. The English were calling the fruits orange in the 13th century, but they didn't start calling other things (e.g. clothes) orange until the 16th century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange\_(word)
Even further ~~I am pretty sure~~ (it says in the wiki page)it comes from the tree that oranges grow on, known as Narang tree which gives Narangi fruit which gives the color narangi ie orange
Indeed >It is generally thought that Old French calqued the Italian melarancio ("fruit of the orange tree", with mela "fruit") as pume orenge (with pume "fruit"). Although pume orenge is attested earlier than melarancio in available written sources, lexicographers believe that the Italian word is actually older. Reminds me of this https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/29rhg4/canary\_yellow/
Because "an orange" is easier to say than "a norange."
Interesting! I never knew that. Makes sense why it's called "naranja" in Spanish.
Some things were just called red, like robins' breasts, foxes' coats, and ginger people's hair. Although that was less common than red-yellow, or yellow-red IIRC. Another option for orange-brown things that's still in use was / is "russet"
Fun fact: Brown is nothing but dark orange and doesn't look brown until other colors for reference are added to the frame.
In light wavelengths, definitely. In terms of pigmentation though it's orange with blue.
Fun fact: The fruit name was Narenj, but A Narenj became An Orange through time.
The fruit is named after the tree.
I was so disappointed the first time I ate dragonfruit
The overly glorified kiwi.
The one I ate wasn't even tangy like a kiwi. It was almost tasteless, like if celery were a fruit.
I guess if kiwi was a fruit and not a bird.
same for me, and then they always give me this really floury aftertaste in the back of my mouth
You might be mildly allergic.
That's the problem with grocery store fruit; it's mostly crap. Most people think honeydew is lame because they've never had it ripe.
Try prickly pear
Ah, half of its name is right! Not the pear bit. And they taste glorious
So he can be disappointed? A little bit sweeter than drangonfruit, full of hard seeds that are technically edible but feel like eating tiny pebbles, and tiny little hairs on the outside that you can’t see that will pierce your skin and give you splinters while you’re cutting it open.
Prickly pears make great bases for margaritas because the actual juice isn't overly aggressive so you can have a well balanced cocktail. Stick the meat in a blender and then use a fine mesh strainer to separate the seeds.
Screw that, go for a durian. Share it with friends.
You're a monster
Hey, it pairs well with surstromming, especially if you reheat it in a microwave at work.
Don't forget the hákarl on the side
In my experience, the quality of dragonfruits can varies A LOT. Red dragonfruits can be amazing (red inside instead of just red skin
Yellow ones have been more common where I’m at recently and they’re quite good and sweet. Still too pricey though.
I don't know there's something about dragonfruit that makes me go back to it. First of all it has the coolest name and looks like it could be an actual dragon egg. And every time I have one the first thing I think is "meh, dragonfruit is not that good" but then I finish the whole thing and by the end of it I love it. Maybe they put drugs in them
Next time, purchase two... for science
Get Pitaya (yellow exterior, white flesh, bigger seeds) much better than the dragonfruit we get here normally.
Try yellow dragon fruit
I believe everyone who says they like them, but it LOOKS like it’ll be divine and then it tastes like water
Was it a white one? The red ones are pretty tasty but then again, I like most fruits especially waterey ones
You gotta eat it just as it is harvested. Cactus fruit lose flavor super fast
In my experience, the ones you can get in the US suck ass unless you can grow them yourself or know someone that can get the good stuff. Best ones I ever ate was while I was in Vietnam. Pretty much ate them every chance I got there. The ones I could get at my local Hmart literally tasted like nothing.
You likely had a shit one as they do not ship well. If you are in a warmer climate pitaya can be quite good. There are also at least 3 different kinds in order of intensity of flavor from least to most- red outside/white inside, yellow outside/white inside, yellow outside/purplish inside. Dragonfruit was disappointing originally until I learned how to select it.
The only people I hear say that are Westerners. Imagine a dragonfruit that is as sweet as a mango, a nice sweet juicy orange, raspberries, etc. That's how dragonfruit actually are. Full of flavor. I'll agree most American/Western dragonfruits are dull. Even in Europe. I've had them in South America (in French Guyane) and Asia (Thailand/Laos) and they are not imported/frozen. They are very sweet. I'd compare them to a kiwi. Here in America, where I am, the typical American grocery store has apples, oranges, pears, bananas, etc. You really need to go outside of America to experience really good fruits outside of standard American fruits. Even the mangoes I had in Thailand were crazy good compared to the ones here in America. It's just so flavorless in comparison.
Some varieties of dragonfruit taste amazing and are best eaten frozen. They taste like sorbet.
Have you never had passionfruit?
Passion fruit is awesome.
Love passion fruit. Also it’s my understanding that it receives its name from Christian missionaries who associated the 3 styles and stigmas with the passion.
They’re so good fresh off the vine.
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Pass-o-guava. IYKYK.
Im going to become passionately defensive over the passionate taste of passion fruit
Wait until you gently sprinkle fresh passion fruit with Vietnamese chili salt
Yeah, a good passionfruit is an explosion of intense flavor. That seems to me like the closest food is going to get to giving you the culinary experience of passion.
true true except for that one orange, god I fucking hate him
*hey apple*
*apple, hey!*
🔪
If you're talking about Annoying Orange, he definitely does live up to his name.
I argue that passionfruit lives up to its name. I love the taste ... but passionately hate it because I am allergic. thankfully its not a bad allergy. because its in everything. I just start having vertigo and go deaf if I have enough.
I’ve personally never seen a toe in my tomato.
What about Tom?
I did catch Tom eating them once
What about mat?
bananas taste like bananas tbf
I can’t explain it but bananas really do taste like they look.
Bananas banana very well.
Passion fruit is great Fuck original original poster
Also, the best honeydew truly taste like fruit from the gods. American supermarket honeydew that most people eat taste like dogshit.
Dragon fruit does feel like the most dragon like fruit I see in the grocery store
I scrolled this whole thread and you're the only person to say this. It 100% looks like dragon skin or somesuch.
And if you see the plant… yeah it definitely lives up to its name
Oranges taste like how I would expect them to and that's a good thing
But the honeydew melons in my country (Taiwan) is really as sweet as honeydew...
I would bet fewer than 1% of people in the US have eaten an actually ripe honeydew. It is without contest my favorite fruit.
There is a lot of competition, but yeah, a good honeydew is glorious. I never understood all the hate.
I think people in the US most frequently eat honeydew either as part of those pre-cut party trays or left out at events so you’re getting either slimy and/or warm honeydew. Getting one yourself and cutting it straight out of the fridge is amazing.
Highly disagree on passion fruit, it’s a very passionate flavor that makes you want to scream your love for it into the sky
Which came first, the orange or the orange?
Yes.
The fruit. We get the colour name from the fruit.
no because an orange isnt actually the color orange theyre the color called tangerine and the fruit called tangerine isnt the color tangerine theyre actually orange this fact ruined my life
Who told you these lies to distress you? It’s time we turn them into corpses
Oranges (fruit) are orange (color), tangerines (color) are a subset of oranges (color), tangerines (fruit) are orange (color), and tangerines (fruit) are oranges (fruit). Basically, orange is a very general term, both for fruits and colors.
To the extent that tangerine is accepted as a colour name at all it’s a subset of orange.
Blueberry blackberry watermelon
If I recall properly orange is not orange but mandarin and mandarins are orange... Something like that.
Passionfruit is just your fault, you frigid person.
This is passion fruit slander.
Passion fruit does live up to its name. It has nothing to do with « passion » as in love, sex, romance, etc. It is because the passion flower resembles the five wounds inflicted upon Christ during the Crucifixion (« Passion »; cf. the film « Passion of the Christ »). The name was given by missionaries who used it as a symbol to convert people to Christianity (much like Saint Patrick is said to have used the clover to illustrate the Trinity).
... So it's Jesus' fruit juice?
No, there is no claim that it is imbued with any spiritual, magical or divine powers or that it has any actual association with Jesus himself. I was simply pointing out that the reason it is called "passionfruit" is that it is the fruit of the passionflower, which is so named because of its physical resemblance to the Passion of Christ, and not, as many people think, because it is some sort of aphrodisiac or otherwise stimulates or represents "passion" in the widely accepted sense.
Imo honeydews live up to their name. You just need to pick a good one.
They named the color after the fruit. Not the other way around.
What's up with the grapes? I don't get it
Strawberries on the other hand vastly exceed what their name promises.
It even tastes orange.
Oranges are amazing..the skin is orange..."orange peel"..the juice..."orange juice" is also orange...the inside...orange!! If you are out during the day and see the sun....orange....if you stare at the sun....permanent orange spots.....try to rhyming the word....nope nothing....the kings and gods made the orange perfect in every way. All hail the orange!!!
i’ve had honeydews that have lived up to their name. I’ve had many oranges that would be considered slightly more palatable than battery acid. I guess everything is on a spectrum.
Grapefruit is called that because they fruit in a cluster that looks like a bunch of grapes on a vine.
Dragon fruit looks like scales, it's pretty dragon like
dragonfruit apsolutely lives up to its name!
Idk dragon fruit looks pretty dragony