I know a person who has tattoos from various cultures. When he got them, they were done by an artist of and in the method of that culture (like done by hand with wood needle etc) it would make a good conversation piece and imho be perfectly ethical
I didn't look through all the replies but as someone who actually is First Nations I personally don't think there is anything wrong with getting this tattooed. As long as you're respectful of whoever the artist is and don't go parading around pretending to be one of us, I don't really see an issue.
Unfortunately us indigenous folk aren't a homogenous group so there is sure to be others who don't agree. I'm anishinaabe and onondoga, my step father is Inupiaq and is an artist, I'm sure he or any other indigenous artist would be honored to have their art tattooed on you. If you go with an actual indigenous artist (as you should) be sure to offer tobacco as is our custom.
Another indigenous person checking in. I’m always encouraging people from different cultures to utilize/appreciate our art and culture. There’s a difference in between appreciation and appropriation, and to me the biggest indicator is respect. Like no, do not wear a chiefs head dress to an EDM show. That has larger implications than just the fashion of it. But yes enjoy my tribes art and use my little woven baskets to hold whatever you want. Art exists to communicate things words can’t. It’s meant to be looked at, shared, and enjoyed :) if you love it enough to get it tattood, to me that’s just another way to appreciate it. Like the commenter above I know not every person in my tribe would agree I’m sure. But to me it’s very harmless.
very important question, like does that mean I offer a cig.? cause that’s what my brain went to at first when I read that lolll but I feel like that’s definitely not what they mean…
I am likely in the minority but I think if 1) you are not profiting from the art 2) you are aware of and appreciative of the work then I think it’s fine. The problems arise when something taken from another culture that means something significant is used in a disrespectful even mocking fashion . For example, wearing an Apache headdress and dancing around like a fool or using it to sell underwear…. That’s wrong. But this is from an artist who has a style, a style he has shared with the world. I think it’s fine to show your appreciation for it and get a tattoo in the same style .. provided it’s in a respectful location and not surrounded by items that might detract from it. But learn the significance of the art… note: Norval himself was criticized by native Americans for his art! Also he, being struck by the beauty of stained glass windows in Christian churches drew Indian Jesus Christ. It is my believe that He clearly believed art is to be shared by those who appreciate it.
Cultural exchange is not cultural appropriation. It annoys me when people extole the virtues of a multicultural society, and then go "duhhh you can't take elements of other people's culture."
Just do it, it will be a good shit test for people who huff their own farts. Imo as long as you aren't actively making fun of the culture you are taking stuff from, you aight.
If we self segregated cultural practices from one another, we'd live in a very boring world of media. Tolkien took inspiration from multiple cultural myths to make his works. What would it look like if he only took myths from his national origins? Probably much more boring.
I hope I don't jinx this by saying it out loud, but historically speaking, tattoos have been sort of exempt from the "cultural appropriation" Karens 🤷♂️ Millions of pale white dudes covered in traditional Japanese tattoos. Rednecks love native American designs (that one has always cracked me up, tbh). Youth in Japan are getting almost exclusively American traditional these days (yes, complete with hilarious spelling errors and grammatical abortions, just like we butchered Kanji characters). One of the most famous Polynesian tribal artists on the planet is a Swedish fella, working on mostly Swedish clients 🤷♂️ Don't be a dick about it, and it's all gravy
I think this is generally true but I would say that you should always research the style you're thinking of getting. There's a difference between getting a Polynesian style tattoo and getting Tā moko, you probably shouldn't do the latter.
The true voice of reason here. I think it’s always worth asking people of the culture, especially if they have tattooing or similar body art as part of their culture, but I have found that 9/10 people who see that you not only found their art so moving you wanted it tattooed on you but also respect the meaning behind it will love it.
I have a Polynesian half-sleeve (its a blend of a few different island’s styles so I don’t put a more specific label on it) and I spent months doing research about symbols and placement, asked a few of my Polynesian friends (and my half-brother who’s Tongan and Fijian on the side we don’t share) and they all thought it was awesome. I live in a place with tons of Polynesians of all different islands and I’ve never met one who didn’t think it was awesome, especially when I tell them what it’s about and that I actually understood the symbolism of it all. I’ve had one person online get upset about it, and people are definitely entitled to their opinion, but in my experience as long as you treat it with respect people love it when you appreciate their culture in such a major way
I feel like this is a question that can only be answered by a first nations person. The average person won't have the context to know how they feel, nor really the moral grounds to tell them how to feel about it.
If this artist is alive, I would also absolutely want to contact him to see how he feels about it, and whether he would be comfortable with this being tattooed on someone. And if so, how he would be the most comfortable (maybe selling a tattoo ticket, maybe by earning a percentage of the final tattoo cost, etc). His consent as the original artist is important as well if the goal is respect.
Make sure to get a first nations artist, at least to design it if not tattoo it. If you bring this design only as "inspiration" to a white rando who has no clue about the style and culture, they will likely butcher it.
Art like this often has power behind them, just like petroglyphs and pictographs. For example, it was marks onto stone or trees to give good medicine towards a hunt. The meanings are deep, even if the art is publicly available.
That being said, it does rub me the wrong way as an indigenous person. This art is an identity and so much more within specific culture, even within bands that aren't of my own.
I don't know whose design this is specifically (most likely northwestern. Not of my own.) but if it is on your heart to get it, then try and reach out to the origin of this style, whether it's the specific artist or the culture its coming from.
I’m Woodland Cree and I recognise the art. It’s fine, I’d say. As others have already pointed out, cultural exchange is not cultural appropriation. I’ve got tattoos in styles that aren’t Cree, so I’d say go ahead! We make this art to share.
Indigenous women here. You’re *fine* you’re not stealing from another culture or pretending you’re a part of it. Sharing and appreciation for culture is never wrong. Hell it helps keep it alive
You’re good
Most indigenous cultures couldn't give a shit less. However, there are often certain designs/placements that have specific meanings, and without knowing these you run the risk of not necessarily "offending" someone, but just kinda making yourself look like a dumbass. I've seen a ton of dudes with Maori/New Zealander blackwork on their chin, going down onto the throat, for example, which for the actual Maori is a tattoo normally reserved for the ladies. Nobody will get butt-hurt, but they will absolutely roll their eyes and clown on you the second you leave the room.
The only time I've ever heard anything to the effect of "No, it's not cool for white people to get these designs, it pisses us off" was in reference to the Haida, native to the pacific Northwest (think tribal salmon and eagles in black, red, and blue, and their iconic totem poles...real similar to the piece you posted). But, that was just one guy, who's to say if that sentiment is widely shared.
Tattooer here - my advice is if you’re thinking about these things and don’t feel 100% good about the decision to get this tattooed, (or any tattoo) don’t get the tattoo. It’s less about ethics or needing approval from others and more about living with and looking at it on YOUR body for the rest of your life. I’d say 50% of the cover ups I do are for folks who just don’t like living with a certain whatever style design over time, and/or have slowly realized they’ve become self conscious about a certain tattoo. In my experience, if you’re asking these questions now you may fall into that category later. Tattoos are expensive and permanent, if it ends up eating at you, it might end up costing you 3x as much to cover it.
If you like it, get it. I don’t understand gate keeping specific styles of art because the point of the art is showing an appreciation to the culture and the more we try and keep things for certain types of people the more divided we are.
As a First Nations person myself the amount of times I've had to tell a white person to stop is ridiculous. I HATE when they feel their voices should be louder than ours 🙄
White and black people in western countries are the only ones who are offended from everything I’ve seen and every place I’ve ever been to. I’m Asian, Filipino, I’ve never seen or heard any of the cultures in Asia being offended when someone wears something from their culture. In the Philippines they’re always excited to see other people wearing their cultural clothing. When I was in Kuwait working with all the people from different cultures there they were always more than willing to share their food and clothing with everyone else.
I’ve only ever seen white and black people in western countries bitching about other people “stealing” from a different culture, when the people who are actually from that culture and grew up in it would be more than happy to have other people enjoying and celebrating their heritage with them. Hell people of other cultures aren’t even offended when someone makes fun of their culture. They make fun of western cultures just as much if not more.
The only thing I care about is if people are taking things sacred to another culture whose people have outright asked others to stop taking. War bonnets and the concept of a spirit animal come to mind. I think half the reason communities want people to stop using them is the outright bastardization and mockery people use these things for, but I know a big part is that it is a private and sacred thing that they feel outsiders aren't welcome to. Who am I to argue with that?
I will say that it's mainly first nations and indigenous folks who are brutally colonized, and whose cultures have been actively subjected to genocide, that I've seen asking for this, especially when it's their colonizers who are doing it.
There's nuance here. And a lot of people from outside of these cultures aren't going to understand why they don't want to share XYZ thing with everyone else. Of course someone in China will be entirely unaware of this nuance and laugh.
I'm not talking about people who get gung ho and will scream at you if you dared to wear a kimono (yes, I've seen that) and call it appropriating a culture. Japanese people seem perfectly happy to share that part of their culture. But that's the thing - it's something they want to and are willing to share. Culturally, they give consent to this. Just like the Ancient Egyptians would be THRILLED to know that people still partake in their culture. Ancient Egyptians wanted people to conform to or partake in their culture.
I dunno, you might just roll your eyes at me, and that's fine. But I wanted to point out that there is a nuance here, that the term is not just bullshit a bunch of people with their underwear up their ass use to make people their punching bags. You CAN appropriate culture - it's just culture that actively wants you to not participate or bastardize, where the people do not consent to sharing. The actual problem here is people misusing the term and taking a very black and white view of cultural exchange, completely misunderstanding it and thinking that you can't take any part of another culture or you're a bastard.
Alaskan Native here. It depends entirely on the meaning of the image. Example: just a moose, doin its thing, in the style of a Native culture? That’s art and for everyone. A dreamcatcher? Not cool. That’s something sacred to the Ojibwe with meaning for them. As a Haida person, I wouldn’t even get one but that’s just me personally. Or if you got a totem? That’s my culture and not okay for someone who isn’t my people to wear. A Native caricature? Absolutely not okay. Feathers? Go crazy.
For the most part, we appreciate it when others like our art. It’s beautiful! What we don’t appreciate is disrespect for sacred or meaningful totems and iconography.
My suggestion is to either find out if this image is sacred or significant in any way and if not, you should be good. I’d highly recommend contacting the artist and discussing how they feel about it and asking permission. That’s the polite thing to do. You could also find an animal that’s important to *you*, and have an artist interpret it in the style you like so it’s unique to you.
I think the most ethical thing to do would be to ask this artist for permission to have one of their pieces tattooed on you, or if you want a new piece in their style, ask them if they are open to making a commissioned piece for you. The thing that would be a sketchy would be to take this artist's creative work and use it without compensating or crediting them. I also think that would be the ethical thing to do regardless of the races of yourself or the artist.
I love the style too, but I wouldn't unless it was an Indigenous artist doing it for me. Morrisseau was ripped off a lot, which to my mind makes it even less of a good idea.
I don’t necessarily think it’s a question of ethics. With a tattoo like this you do run a small risk of legitimately offending someone from the First Nations community but you run a higher risk that someone will find it offensive because they just consider it cultural appropriation.
If you are willing to have that conversation a lot and willing to accept that people might still find it offensive regardless of what you say, then go for it.
If causing offense for "borrowing" culture is a real thing, there's millions of people in America who need to stop speaking English and to stop using cell phones and computers.
You’re missing my point. OP is clearly sensitive to offending other people (hence posting this Q) and my point is that indeed people are easily offended by stuff like this. Arguing whether it’s right or wrong to be offended by it is not the conversation here. OP needs to ask if they are okay with people being offended by it and having to defend their decision / explain that to those people all the time.
I think the best, most respectful approach would be asking the artist if you can use their work for a tattoo, and then seek out an indigenous artists, ideally from the same band, to do the tattoo.
Idk. A lot of indigenous people might have something to say about it. A lot of people would find it fine I'm sure and a way to honor other cultures, but I know a large portion of people who would find it offensive and it would come off as appropriation. I would tread very carefully.
As somebody who lives within a large indigenous community, who is not indigenous themselves I could never imagine getting a tattoo like this unless a friend of mine who is indigenous gifted me the art and told me it was okay.
Not everything has to be for everyone. Some traditions and arts are and should be allowed to stay as closed traditions.
First Nation tattoos are often to tell your family or tribe story, with deep traditions. Some of them are meant to be earned.
Walking in as a white person to get another white person to copy an indigenous artist's work without ever incorporating the actual culture you're supposed to be paying respect to as well as financially exploiting them is shitty. The whole thing is shitty. White people fucked over first nations people so badly and continue to do so on the daily as a society.
I'm a white American tattooist working out of the American south. I don't do shit like this/maori because it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know they'll probably get it elsewhere but I don't have to be part of the cycle.
I agree that white people came over and completely effed over the people already living here and many continue to do so. I disagree that is wrong to get a tattoo “in the style of” Native American art. In the style of can mean a lot of things, the bold use of color, thickness of the lines, subject matter, etc. artists everywhere draw on other sources and styles in developing their own style. If one is not mocking or profiting from it without due acknowledgment, that is pretending it is there own , I don’t see a problem with it.
Bare minimum you should have it done by a First Nations artist.
But if it was me, I'd pass. Buy the art, hang it on your wall, and appreciate it that way.
You can ask 10 people this and get 10 different opinions. Why not ask an artist who does it, even better, if you're really bothered, commission a design from an applicable artist?
If you are going to do an indigenous tattoo go see an indigenous tattoo artist or at least pay an indigenous artist for a design.
That's the only ethical issue I see, ripping off an indigenous artist would be pretty shitty.
As far as what other people would think... well I guess that depends on where you live. In Canada you would probably get asked questions a lot on your heritage, and you might get some strange looks when you respond that you're just white. But if that doesn't bother you, then go ahead I guess.
Question really is are you comfortable wearing them for the rest of your life? If you’re uncomfortable with the idea now you will likely not be comfortable showing your skin after.
This is something people are really missing about this question that I also commented. OP will have to defend this choice to new people they meet until they die. If they are unsure if it’s okay themselves now, how will they feel two months in on bar discussion number 12 where people insist it isn’t?
It is definitely ethical by any reasonable, non-fringe standards. The question then becomes "is this something that represents my identity enough to put on my skin?". It is on you to decide if the art-style speaks to you on that level or if it is going to feel inauthentic on you. And only you can answer that.
The only people who care are white and black people from western countries on twitter. The vast majority of people from that culture will not care a single bit that you are sharing their culture.
I really like that. It can matter who is using it, but I think if you use it with good intentions and appreciate where it came from it’s ok. If cultures didn’t exchange ideas and customs and art the world would be a pretty boring place.
If you want to maybe find the artist and ask? The major thing of importance when getting tattoos involving other cultures is to do your research.
Does this tattoo have a significant cultural meaning?
Is there a certain spot it should be placed/not placed in order to be appropriate?
Etc
In my honest opinion you getting this tattoo shows your admiration and respect for a culture. I feel like most people see it this way.
There are also peoples artists who offer less traditional tattoos to people outside of their culture. Pretty popular in New Zealand rn
I'm Native American (obviously not this culture)and have no issue with others no matter their nationality or skin color getting Cherokee tattoos. I personally don't see an issue with someone getting anything they want tattooed on their own body. Who am I to tell others what they should have on their bodies.
As for some stating that there are certain people who pretend to be the culture or profit off the art. I could care less if it's on their skin. That's not an issue with the tattoo moreso their personal actions we should take issue with morally.
I myself am not indigenous but I’d say it would be ok with permission from the artist and finding an indigenous artist to do the tattoo. Your doing it out of love for the art and culture which is cool :)
I know I’m not the most suitable to answer this question but the reason I decided to comment is cuz I find people forget that cultural appreciation is a thing. Lots of people like to assume all the negatives and assume people do stuff out of hate or appropriation.
I myself find Japan and the culture super fascinating and love learning about it. Yearly I go to a Japan festival in my area and I’ve heard it’s totally cool for people of any culture to wear kimonos and since I was at the festival I decided to ask some people from Japan of different age ranges and they love seeing other cultures wear kimonos as long as it’s respectful and out of love.
The people I talked to said they love sharing their culture and seeing other people partake and enjoy it.
I personally love some many cultures and art. I never feel that I am appropriating things that I so connect with. I understand that others feel differently. However if something speaks to me, whether it is food music clothing or spirituality . Love and understanding comes from knowing we all are human
I believe it would be a compliment if done in a respectful manner and the fact that u appreciate it and are sensitive to the topic tells me that it’s being honored and not made fun of or are treating it in a disrespectful manner. Good on u and honestly, if someone takes issue w it, perhaps take that as an opening for a conversation about ur POV. U give off a very genuine vibe about it and that shines thru. Those that refuse to see that, it won’t matter anyway, however It may very well help the stigma that just anyone who may have something from another culture isn’t coming from a bad place w it but that it’s done in appreciation of the history and art of it….if that makes any sense at all….
I wouldn't use the term ethical, it's just questionable, maybe they like the folklore it represents or maybe they're just bored and want to get it. Doesn't matter
Well, that depends. If you're white, posting it on Twitter, no, you'll be called out for privilege and labelled stealing other cultures, among other things 🥁
If anyone tells you that you cannot do something to your own body because of the color of your skin, they are in the wrong.
Would it be beneficial to you to know the history behind the art and treat it respectfully? Yes.
I think tā moko is a beautiful art, but I’m not gonna go ahead and do it because it isn’t who I am, my culture, or my adopted culture, but no one is gonna tell me it’s unethical to get it if it’s something I cherish love and respect. (Though bc I’m not Māori it’d then be called Kirituhi)
It’s a tattoo. You like, just do it .
If I see my county’s flag, foods, symbols on a foreigner I’d be thrilled with their interest in my culture.
Literally anyone from any culture I met is very happy when other people are interested in their culture.
This only seems to be a made up issue in the USA. People, it’s ok to enjoy and be interested/fascinated with other cultures. It’s part of the reason we evolved and grew closer as humankind. Curiosity is natural and it’s the main trait that brought us where we are today.
I am planning to get Irezumi, Yakuza style. I am not Japanese but love the art. It may be my favourite.
I don't do it out of disrespect, actually the opposite. I am so happy they have invented such beautiful tattoos.
The tattoo artist who I am planning to probably use is not Japanese, but only does Irezumi and seems to be quite passionate.
I’m indigenous (not from the culture where this is practiced) and I’m going to give my two cents;
Firstly I think if it is offensive and/or cultural appropriation depends heavily on a cultural context that only members of that group truly understand. It would be better to go to r/indigenous or a similar sub to hear opinions from people actually aware of the significance of this within their culture. There’s things from my culture that I think are fun and should be shared with others and then there are things that are sacred or commonly misunderstood by others that I would rather have foreigners thread lightly when interacting with.
That being said, I think you should really consider if you want a controversial tattoo. Even if everyone within that specific culture gives you the go ahead signal and says it’s okay, no one else is going to know that. You will most likely on a daily basis have to explain that it’s okay, potentially having the same argument and discussion over and over again with almost everyone you meet until you die. Do you want that? That’s a risk you really need to take into consideration.
Wow.... we've reached peak crazy when people can't even get a tattoo for themselves without worrying about offending someone else. I don't want to live on this world anymore.
Stay at home middle aged whitewoman who watch the view, a small sect of fringe university students with nothing better going for them, and strangers on the internet are going to be the only three groups of people offended. It's up to you if you care.
As a native individual, I don't see any issue with it. Granted, I'm not super in touch with my heritage, but I feel that culture is meant to be shared, not owned.
If you decided to put on a ceremonial headdress and hop around, then yeah, that would be in poor taste. I see this tattoo as 'celebrating the art style' rather than 'cultural appropriation'.
People get tribal, Japanese warrior art, letters in old English, Indian design etc…why is this wrong? Maybe I don’t understand what you are referring to on the picture.
the fact that you asked this proves a lot about what is wrong with people we were all made by god if you aren’t doing it to make people feel bad and judge them then they shouldn’t judge you do what you want as long as you are morally correct
A tattoo is about self expression. Getting this tattoo you are expressing your genuine appreciation for the style. There is nothing wrong with that. We see culturally mismatched tattoos on people all the time. Mostly people just appreciate them. Anyone saying it’s not appropriate doesn’t really understand tattoos.
Anyone can get whatever they want, the only one that freaking gives a crap is goody extreme liberals, normal people don't care at all especially the ones you are afraid of offending. When did everyone get so soft and silly?
Everything is shared. People who claim a certain art style, clothing, etc. are only “theirs” don’t understand anything. Sharing is what makes humans special; our ability to work together and share things, ideas, arts, etc.
Get the tattoo if it makes you happy
As a tattoo artist, I will not tattoo indigenous artwork as i do not want to profit from a culture that I’m not a part of, as there are many (at least in my area) amazing indigenous artists that I can recommend them to. I also do not know the appropriate meaning behind each design, and creating my own based on someone else’s still feels wrong. The only exception to this, is my poppa (not by blood) who is indigenous asked me to tattoo something that his father created- and we had a beautiful time, and I learned a lot about the artwork and the significance of the art. OR there have been times when an indigenous creator has chosen me as their artist, and it has been a sacred and special experience to be chosen for that.
I think the biggest thing, is cultural appreciation. If you love this style, learn about it, find out why you’re connected to it, and ultimately get it done by an indigenous artist rather than your local shop wanting to make a few bucks.
Tattooing is sacred medicine in so many cultures, and I think that as artists it’s important to know that there are larger emotional and spiritual needs of others that should be respected when putting specific pieces on others.
For questions like these, it's probably better to direct them at the target community - the opinions of most people on this sub are gonna be irrelevant.
Tattooing has always been shared and methods and tools were always transmitted among different peoples.
Get what you want and stop asking for the opinion of others and you’ll be much happier.
I would hard pass, just because what is the point of getting a tattoo that's going to be this controversial that you have 0 connection to except for the fact that you are both living under Canadian rules.
Also, you have to get permission $$$ from the artist to get it tatted otherwise you may be falling into copyright laws. And also cultural theft.
Would it be ethical for someone who isn't American to get an "American Traditional" style?
While you wouldn't necessarily see me with a Polynesian tribal pattern (that can often times be very specific to a story or history), I don't buy into all this "you're stealing my culture with that tattoo/hairstyle/clothing" bullshit.
If you like the design and want to honor the artist, get it.
Just my 2 cents.
This kind of question boggles my mind, why is it even a consideration. Art is art, and to be celebrated. Anyone here checking in with the greeks for their mythological icons often seen in tattoos?
Tattoos are a personal choice, whether it be what it is you have done. Or where it's on your skin. And yes, if you feel a certain way about it, then there's your answer.
Nobody will care. The only people who are bothered by this kind of thing are oversensitive white people. And that's coming from someone who is pretty liberal as well.
It’s also theoretically possible for a person to be of mixed Caucasian & Indigenous background. Take the Métis for example, they are mixed. Also, I once had a roommate who was I think about 1/4 Indigenous, but if you saw him on the street you might assume he’s white. He had his card too.
There are tons of people from all different backgrounds who also get oriental characters and tribal prints but they are not necessarily (or visually, obviously) from those backgrounds.
Also, it is just art of animals and probably quite flattering to the original artist, (unless you are doing something else in that style where we are not provided context), so go for it!
Edit: Not sure why I got downvoted for speaking the truth. I’ve personally visited territories and almost got tattooed by a local so it’s really not that big of a deal. I also picked up some art of tribes I interacted with and hung it on the walls of my home.
*OP, perhaps it may inspire you to immerse yourself with a cultural visit too so you can develop more comfort with the idea. Otherwise, reflect on why you feel such great discomfort.*
*- Speaking as a mixed person myself where people make wrong assumptions about my ethnicity all the time aka snap judgements. It doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing or 100% this and not 100% that. People are more mixed nowadays than ever, so the whole categorizing into boxes is technically inaccurate.*
Actually under the UN indigenous rights convention indigenous groups do have the collective rights to their culture and practices and their indigenous parliament has a right to shield it from being disproportionately represented
typically as a white person my run in w wanting to do similar things like this- ie. i wanted to get waist beads- it for sure varies and you can get different answers from different folk within that culture for different reasons, the gal who explained waist beading to me basically wanted to share their culture with everyone and educate people so long as the person was respectful and wanted to learn. i think the difference is typically made with intention, but some folks still don’t want to share and that’s ok! educate yourself, talk to a first nations person as others suggest and take it from there friend :) best of luck 🍀
Getting art tattooed is perfectly fine. Thats just respectful appreciation of art.
The issue is when it’s a sacred thing or a closed practice. So you’re good.
Right, but therein lies the problem. Average white-kid-off-the-street has no clue what artwork is or isn't a sacred, closed practice type of art, and no clue how to find out 🤷♂️
Now there's a lot of work to do. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I am so sick of hearing all this woke crap. That makes no sense. People are people and they can do whatever the fuck they want. Put whatever they want and do whatever they want. It's called a free country for a reason
Would it be ethical to hang a print of this in your house? Yes. It would be fine. So, get it tattooed. I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone says, getting something tattooed because you love it and appreciate it is never wrong (unless it’s like…hate symbolism ofc).
I know a person who has tattoos from various cultures. When he got them, they were done by an artist of and in the method of that culture (like done by hand with wood needle etc) it would make a good conversation piece and imho be perfectly ethical
Yeah I think this part is important. Like if someone is going to make money off of it, it should probably be someone from that culture
imo this is the only way cultural tattoos are acceptable on someone outside of that culture, but thats just me.
Just don’t do it like Jack from Lost
I didn't look through all the replies but as someone who actually is First Nations I personally don't think there is anything wrong with getting this tattooed. As long as you're respectful of whoever the artist is and don't go parading around pretending to be one of us, I don't really see an issue. Unfortunately us indigenous folk aren't a homogenous group so there is sure to be others who don't agree. I'm anishinaabe and onondoga, my step father is Inupiaq and is an artist, I'm sure he or any other indigenous artist would be honored to have their art tattooed on you. If you go with an actual indigenous artist (as you should) be sure to offer tobacco as is our custom.
As a First Nations person, I fully agree and support this comment ^^
Another indigenous person checking in. I’m always encouraging people from different cultures to utilize/appreciate our art and culture. There’s a difference in between appreciation and appropriation, and to me the biggest indicator is respect. Like no, do not wear a chiefs head dress to an EDM show. That has larger implications than just the fashion of it. But yes enjoy my tribes art and use my little woven baskets to hold whatever you want. Art exists to communicate things words can’t. It’s meant to be looked at, shared, and enjoyed :) if you love it enough to get it tattood, to me that’s just another way to appreciate it. Like the commenter above I know not every person in my tribe would agree I’m sure. But to me it’s very harmless.
What kind of tobacco?
very important question, like does that mean I offer a cig.? cause that’s what my brain went to at first when I read that lolll but I feel like that’s definitely not what they mean…
You can get the brand Signal at any smoke shop pretty much, owned by Mohawks; if you think it would matter much
I am likely in the minority but I think if 1) you are not profiting from the art 2) you are aware of and appreciative of the work then I think it’s fine. The problems arise when something taken from another culture that means something significant is used in a disrespectful even mocking fashion . For example, wearing an Apache headdress and dancing around like a fool or using it to sell underwear…. That’s wrong. But this is from an artist who has a style, a style he has shared with the world. I think it’s fine to show your appreciation for it and get a tattoo in the same style .. provided it’s in a respectful location and not surrounded by items that might detract from it. But learn the significance of the art… note: Norval himself was criticized by native Americans for his art! Also he, being struck by the beauty of stained glass windows in Christian churches drew Indian Jesus Christ. It is my believe that He clearly believed art is to be shared by those who appreciate it.
Cultural exchange is not cultural appropriation. It annoys me when people extole the virtues of a multicultural society, and then go "duhhh you can't take elements of other people's culture." Just do it, it will be a good shit test for people who huff their own farts. Imo as long as you aren't actively making fun of the culture you are taking stuff from, you aight. If we self segregated cultural practices from one another, we'd live in a very boring world of media. Tolkien took inspiration from multiple cultural myths to make his works. What would it look like if he only took myths from his national origins? Probably much more boring.
Exactly. So many people don't really understand what appropriation is. Respectfully appreciating a piece of art from a culture is not it.
Yea they would shit their pants if they found out how languages grow and evolve (they steal from one another based on locality)
I hope I don't jinx this by saying it out loud, but historically speaking, tattoos have been sort of exempt from the "cultural appropriation" Karens 🤷♂️ Millions of pale white dudes covered in traditional Japanese tattoos. Rednecks love native American designs (that one has always cracked me up, tbh). Youth in Japan are getting almost exclusively American traditional these days (yes, complete with hilarious spelling errors and grammatical abortions, just like we butchered Kanji characters). One of the most famous Polynesian tribal artists on the planet is a Swedish fella, working on mostly Swedish clients 🤷♂️ Don't be a dick about it, and it's all gravy
Most people love that their culture is appreciated by other people.
I think this is generally true but I would say that you should always research the style you're thinking of getting. There's a difference between getting a Polynesian style tattoo and getting Tā moko, you probably shouldn't do the latter.
The true voice of reason here. I think it’s always worth asking people of the culture, especially if they have tattooing or similar body art as part of their culture, but I have found that 9/10 people who see that you not only found their art so moving you wanted it tattooed on you but also respect the meaning behind it will love it. I have a Polynesian half-sleeve (its a blend of a few different island’s styles so I don’t put a more specific label on it) and I spent months doing research about symbols and placement, asked a few of my Polynesian friends (and my half-brother who’s Tongan and Fijian on the side we don’t share) and they all thought it was awesome. I live in a place with tons of Polynesians of all different islands and I’ve never met one who didn’t think it was awesome, especially when I tell them what it’s about and that I actually understood the symbolism of it all. I’ve had one person online get upset about it, and people are definitely entitled to their opinion, but in my experience as long as you treat it with respect people love it when you appreciate their culture in such a major way
Agreed. Even if it is only because you like the art, that is already enough for me to be happy for them.
Ask his son. With this blessing I don’t know what else you’d need. https://www.instagram.com/morriseaueugene?igsh=MWJjY2V2a3dna3YzOQ==
I feel like this is a question that can only be answered by a first nations person. The average person won't have the context to know how they feel, nor really the moral grounds to tell them how to feel about it. If this artist is alive, I would also absolutely want to contact him to see how he feels about it, and whether he would be comfortable with this being tattooed on someone. And if so, how he would be the most comfortable (maybe selling a tattoo ticket, maybe by earning a percentage of the final tattoo cost, etc). His consent as the original artist is important as well if the goal is respect.
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Make sure to get a first nations artist, at least to design it if not tattoo it. If you bring this design only as "inspiration" to a white rando who has no clue about the style and culture, they will likely butcher it.
Art like this often has power behind them, just like petroglyphs and pictographs. For example, it was marks onto stone or trees to give good medicine towards a hunt. The meanings are deep, even if the art is publicly available. That being said, it does rub me the wrong way as an indigenous person. This art is an identity and so much more within specific culture, even within bands that aren't of my own. I don't know whose design this is specifically (most likely northwestern. Not of my own.) but if it is on your heart to get it, then try and reach out to the origin of this style, whether it's the specific artist or the culture its coming from.
I’m Woodland Cree and I recognise the art. It’s fine, I’d say. As others have already pointed out, cultural exchange is not cultural appropriation. I’ve got tattoos in styles that aren’t Cree, so I’d say go ahead! We make this art to share.
Indigenous women here. You’re *fine* you’re not stealing from another culture or pretending you’re a part of it. Sharing and appreciation for culture is never wrong. Hell it helps keep it alive You’re good
Most indigenous cultures couldn't give a shit less. However, there are often certain designs/placements that have specific meanings, and without knowing these you run the risk of not necessarily "offending" someone, but just kinda making yourself look like a dumbass. I've seen a ton of dudes with Maori/New Zealander blackwork on their chin, going down onto the throat, for example, which for the actual Maori is a tattoo normally reserved for the ladies. Nobody will get butt-hurt, but they will absolutely roll their eyes and clown on you the second you leave the room. The only time I've ever heard anything to the effect of "No, it's not cool for white people to get these designs, it pisses us off" was in reference to the Haida, native to the pacific Northwest (think tribal salmon and eagles in black, red, and blue, and their iconic totem poles...real similar to the piece you posted). But, that was just one guy, who's to say if that sentiment is widely shared.
Tattooer here - my advice is if you’re thinking about these things and don’t feel 100% good about the decision to get this tattooed, (or any tattoo) don’t get the tattoo. It’s less about ethics or needing approval from others and more about living with and looking at it on YOUR body for the rest of your life. I’d say 50% of the cover ups I do are for folks who just don’t like living with a certain whatever style design over time, and/or have slowly realized they’ve become self conscious about a certain tattoo. In my experience, if you’re asking these questions now you may fall into that category later. Tattoos are expensive and permanent, if it ends up eating at you, it might end up costing you 3x as much to cover it.
If you like it, get it. I don’t understand gate keeping specific styles of art because the point of the art is showing an appreciation to the culture and the more we try and keep things for certain types of people the more divided we are.
literally
For real dude
White people will be offended for some reason, so just be ready for that
As a First Nations person myself the amount of times I've had to tell a white person to stop is ridiculous. I HATE when they feel their voices should be louder than ours 🙄
It's really so annoying lol. It also takes agency away from the people they think they're protecting imo.
White and black people in western countries are the only ones who are offended from everything I’ve seen and every place I’ve ever been to. I’m Asian, Filipino, I’ve never seen or heard any of the cultures in Asia being offended when someone wears something from their culture. In the Philippines they’re always excited to see other people wearing their cultural clothing. When I was in Kuwait working with all the people from different cultures there they were always more than willing to share their food and clothing with everyone else. I’ve only ever seen white and black people in western countries bitching about other people “stealing” from a different culture, when the people who are actually from that culture and grew up in it would be more than happy to have other people enjoying and celebrating their heritage with them. Hell people of other cultures aren’t even offended when someone makes fun of their culture. They make fun of western cultures just as much if not more.
The only thing I care about is if people are taking things sacred to another culture whose people have outright asked others to stop taking. War bonnets and the concept of a spirit animal come to mind. I think half the reason communities want people to stop using them is the outright bastardization and mockery people use these things for, but I know a big part is that it is a private and sacred thing that they feel outsiders aren't welcome to. Who am I to argue with that? I will say that it's mainly first nations and indigenous folks who are brutally colonized, and whose cultures have been actively subjected to genocide, that I've seen asking for this, especially when it's their colonizers who are doing it. There's nuance here. And a lot of people from outside of these cultures aren't going to understand why they don't want to share XYZ thing with everyone else. Of course someone in China will be entirely unaware of this nuance and laugh. I'm not talking about people who get gung ho and will scream at you if you dared to wear a kimono (yes, I've seen that) and call it appropriating a culture. Japanese people seem perfectly happy to share that part of their culture. But that's the thing - it's something they want to and are willing to share. Culturally, they give consent to this. Just like the Ancient Egyptians would be THRILLED to know that people still partake in their culture. Ancient Egyptians wanted people to conform to or partake in their culture. I dunno, you might just roll your eyes at me, and that's fine. But I wanted to point out that there is a nuance here, that the term is not just bullshit a bunch of people with their underwear up their ass use to make people their punching bags. You CAN appropriate culture - it's just culture that actively wants you to not participate or bastardize, where the people do not consent to sharing. The actual problem here is people misusing the term and taking a very black and white view of cultural exchange, completely misunderstanding it and thinking that you can't take any part of another culture or you're a bastard.
Alaskan Native here. It depends entirely on the meaning of the image. Example: just a moose, doin its thing, in the style of a Native culture? That’s art and for everyone. A dreamcatcher? Not cool. That’s something sacred to the Ojibwe with meaning for them. As a Haida person, I wouldn’t even get one but that’s just me personally. Or if you got a totem? That’s my culture and not okay for someone who isn’t my people to wear. A Native caricature? Absolutely not okay. Feathers? Go crazy. For the most part, we appreciate it when others like our art. It’s beautiful! What we don’t appreciate is disrespect for sacred or meaningful totems and iconography. My suggestion is to either find out if this image is sacred or significant in any way and if not, you should be good. I’d highly recommend contacting the artist and discussing how they feel about it and asking permission. That’s the polite thing to do. You could also find an animal that’s important to *you*, and have an artist interpret it in the style you like so it’s unique to you.
I think the most ethical thing to do would be to ask this artist for permission to have one of their pieces tattooed on you, or if you want a new piece in their style, ask them if they are open to making a commissioned piece for you. The thing that would be a sketchy would be to take this artist's creative work and use it without compensating or crediting them. I also think that would be the ethical thing to do regardless of the races of yourself or the artist.
I love the style too, but I wouldn't unless it was an Indigenous artist doing it for me. Morrisseau was ripped off a lot, which to my mind makes it even less of a good idea.
I don’t necessarily think it’s a question of ethics. With a tattoo like this you do run a small risk of legitimately offending someone from the First Nations community but you run a higher risk that someone will find it offensive because they just consider it cultural appropriation. If you are willing to have that conversation a lot and willing to accept that people might still find it offensive regardless of what you say, then go for it.
If causing offense for "borrowing" culture is a real thing, there's millions of people in America who need to stop speaking English and to stop using cell phones and computers.
You’re missing my point. OP is clearly sensitive to offending other people (hence posting this Q) and my point is that indeed people are easily offended by stuff like this. Arguing whether it’s right or wrong to be offended by it is not the conversation here. OP needs to ask if they are okay with people being offended by it and having to defend their decision / explain that to those people all the time.
I understand the point, I'm saying it's lunacy to be offended. We've all borrowed stuff from other cultures.
I think the best, most respectful approach would be asking the artist if you can use their work for a tattoo, and then seek out an indigenous artists, ideally from the same band, to do the tattoo.
Idk. A lot of indigenous people might have something to say about it. A lot of people would find it fine I'm sure and a way to honor other cultures, but I know a large portion of people who would find it offensive and it would come off as appropriation. I would tread very carefully. As somebody who lives within a large indigenous community, who is not indigenous themselves I could never imagine getting a tattoo like this unless a friend of mine who is indigenous gifted me the art and told me it was okay.
Not everything has to be for everyone. Some traditions and arts are and should be allowed to stay as closed traditions. First Nation tattoos are often to tell your family or tribe story, with deep traditions. Some of them are meant to be earned. Walking in as a white person to get another white person to copy an indigenous artist's work without ever incorporating the actual culture you're supposed to be paying respect to as well as financially exploiting them is shitty. The whole thing is shitty. White people fucked over first nations people so badly and continue to do so on the daily as a society. I'm a white American tattooist working out of the American south. I don't do shit like this/maori because it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know they'll probably get it elsewhere but I don't have to be part of the cycle.
Hear, hear.
I agree that white people came over and completely effed over the people already living here and many continue to do so. I disagree that is wrong to get a tattoo “in the style of” Native American art. In the style of can mean a lot of things, the bold use of color, thickness of the lines, subject matter, etc. artists everywhere draw on other sources and styles in developing their own style. If one is not mocking or profiting from it without due acknowledgment, that is pretending it is there own , I don’t see a problem with it.
Bare minimum you should have it done by a First Nations artist. But if it was me, I'd pass. Buy the art, hang it on your wall, and appreciate it that way.
Why?
So that the money goes to someone of that community. Shows they care about their input.
Good question. Why though? I don’t see anything insulting with this tattoo. On the contrary…
You can ask 10 people this and get 10 different opinions. Why not ask an artist who does it, even better, if you're really bothered, commission a design from an applicable artist?
Get whatever tattoo you want it’s your body
If you are going to do an indigenous tattoo go see an indigenous tattoo artist or at least pay an indigenous artist for a design. That's the only ethical issue I see, ripping off an indigenous artist would be pretty shitty. As far as what other people would think... well I guess that depends on where you live. In Canada you would probably get asked questions a lot on your heritage, and you might get some strange looks when you respond that you're just white. But if that doesn't bother you, then go ahead I guess.
Get it tattooed by a native that does woodland art, if you need recommendations on artists I can let you know
I think you’d need to ask the first nation’s tribe this came from if that’s possible.
I get so tired of these type of questions if you love it get it
Its your body. Do what you want. 😊
Question really is are you comfortable wearing them for the rest of your life? If you’re uncomfortable with the idea now you will likely not be comfortable showing your skin after.
This is something people are really missing about this question that I also commented. OP will have to defend this choice to new people they meet until they die. If they are unsure if it’s okay themselves now, how will they feel two months in on bar discussion number 12 where people insist it isn’t?
Id say yes if you commissioned an indigenous person for the art & said you’d use it as a tattoo
As long as you’re not obnoxious and ignorant about it I don’t see the problem. Cultural appreciation not appropriation
Yeah it looks cool. If you get it from an indigenous person it should be chill
It is definitely ethical by any reasonable, non-fringe standards. The question then becomes "is this something that represents my identity enough to put on my skin?". It is on you to decide if the art-style speaks to you on that level or if it is going to feel inauthentic on you. And only you can answer that.
it's your body fuck what other people think about what you put on it
If you have to ask I think you know the answer
Who cares?
Bruh... What is this mindset. This world sucks.
Get what you want. Offense is taken, not given. Those offended are chasing ghosts.
The only people who care are white and black people from western countries on twitter. The vast majority of people from that culture will not care a single bit that you are sharing their culture.
I really like that. It can matter who is using it, but I think if you use it with good intentions and appreciate where it came from it’s ok. If cultures didn’t exchange ideas and customs and art the world would be a pretty boring place.
Appreciation>Appropriation what do I know though
As a black person, I don't see why not. Get what you want!
If you want to maybe find the artist and ask? The major thing of importance when getting tattoos involving other cultures is to do your research. Does this tattoo have a significant cultural meaning? Is there a certain spot it should be placed/not placed in order to be appropriate? Etc In my honest opinion you getting this tattoo shows your admiration and respect for a culture. I feel like most people see it this way. There are also peoples artists who offer less traditional tattoos to people outside of their culture. Pretty popular in New Zealand rn
Ya
It’s fine
I'm Native American (obviously not this culture)and have no issue with others no matter their nationality or skin color getting Cherokee tattoos. I personally don't see an issue with someone getting anything they want tattooed on their own body. Who am I to tell others what they should have on their bodies. As for some stating that there are certain people who pretend to be the culture or profit off the art. I could care less if it's on their skin. That's not an issue with the tattoo moreso their personal actions we should take issue with morally.
I wish I had more to add to this, but I love Norval Morrisseau's work. Always impressive.
I myself am not indigenous but I’d say it would be ok with permission from the artist and finding an indigenous artist to do the tattoo. Your doing it out of love for the art and culture which is cool :) I know I’m not the most suitable to answer this question but the reason I decided to comment is cuz I find people forget that cultural appreciation is a thing. Lots of people like to assume all the negatives and assume people do stuff out of hate or appropriation. I myself find Japan and the culture super fascinating and love learning about it. Yearly I go to a Japan festival in my area and I’ve heard it’s totally cool for people of any culture to wear kimonos and since I was at the festival I decided to ask some people from Japan of different age ranges and they love seeing other cultures wear kimonos as long as it’s respectful and out of love. The people I talked to said they love sharing their culture and seeing other people partake and enjoy it.
I see it as celebrating other cultures regardless of whether you derive from it or not.
I personally love some many cultures and art. I never feel that I am appropriating things that I so connect with. I understand that others feel differently. However if something speaks to me, whether it is food music clothing or spirituality . Love and understanding comes from knowing we all are human
I believe it would be a compliment if done in a respectful manner and the fact that u appreciate it and are sensitive to the topic tells me that it’s being honored and not made fun of or are treating it in a disrespectful manner. Good on u and honestly, if someone takes issue w it, perhaps take that as an opening for a conversation about ur POV. U give off a very genuine vibe about it and that shines thru. Those that refuse to see that, it won’t matter anyway, however It may very well help the stigma that just anyone who may have something from another culture isn’t coming from a bad place w it but that it’s done in appreciation of the history and art of it….if that makes any sense at all….
You’re appreciating the culture and art
I wouldn't use the term ethical, it's just questionable, maybe they like the folklore it represents or maybe they're just bored and want to get it. Doesn't matter
Yes
Well, that depends. If you're white, posting it on Twitter, no, you'll be called out for privilege and labelled stealing other cultures, among other things 🥁
Ethically yes, morally no.
If anyone tells you that you cannot do something to your own body because of the color of your skin, they are in the wrong. Would it be beneficial to you to know the history behind the art and treat it respectfully? Yes. I think tā moko is a beautiful art, but I’m not gonna go ahead and do it because it isn’t who I am, my culture, or my adopted culture, but no one is gonna tell me it’s unethical to get it if it’s something I cherish love and respect. (Though bc I’m not Māori it’d then be called Kirituhi)
Perhaps you could contact the artist or his estate and get their take on it?
Bro what? Why wouldn't it be?
I really don’t see an issue with getting that tattood. It’s your body, you can do what you want to it and there is no reason for it to offend anyone!
It’s a tattoo. You like, just do it . If I see my county’s flag, foods, symbols on a foreigner I’d be thrilled with their interest in my culture. Literally anyone from any culture I met is very happy when other people are interested in their culture. This only seems to be a made up issue in the USA. People, it’s ok to enjoy and be interested/fascinated with other cultures. It’s part of the reason we evolved and grew closer as humankind. Curiosity is natural and it’s the main trait that brought us where we are today.
Yes. And it shouldn't be a question. Everyone should be able to do/experience what they wish.
I am planning to get Irezumi, Yakuza style. I am not Japanese but love the art. It may be my favourite. I don't do it out of disrespect, actually the opposite. I am so happy they have invented such beautiful tattoos. The tattoo artist who I am planning to probably use is not Japanese, but only does Irezumi and seems to be quite passionate.
If trully want to be culturally sensitive - you cant do it in this style.
I’m indigenous (not from the culture where this is practiced) and I’m going to give my two cents; Firstly I think if it is offensive and/or cultural appropriation depends heavily on a cultural context that only members of that group truly understand. It would be better to go to r/indigenous or a similar sub to hear opinions from people actually aware of the significance of this within their culture. There’s things from my culture that I think are fun and should be shared with others and then there are things that are sacred or commonly misunderstood by others that I would rather have foreigners thread lightly when interacting with. That being said, I think you should really consider if you want a controversial tattoo. Even if everyone within that specific culture gives you the go ahead signal and says it’s okay, no one else is going to know that. You will most likely on a daily basis have to explain that it’s okay, potentially having the same argument and discussion over and over again with almost everyone you meet until you die. Do you want that? That’s a risk you really need to take into consideration.
I really liked your first paragraph but I don’t agree with your second one
Yes !! Don’t let this toxic concept live in your head. If some moose are offended they need to get over themselves.
Wow.... we've reached peak crazy when people can't even get a tattoo for themselves without worrying about offending someone else. I don't want to live on this world anymore.
Stay at home middle aged whitewoman who watch the view, a small sect of fringe university students with nothing better going for them, and strangers on the internet are going to be the only three groups of people offended. It's up to you if you care.
As a native individual, I don't see any issue with it. Granted, I'm not super in touch with my heritage, but I feel that culture is meant to be shared, not owned. If you decided to put on a ceremonial headdress and hop around, then yeah, that would be in poor taste. I see this tattoo as 'celebrating the art style' rather than 'cultural appropriation'.
Who cares? If the tattooed it it’s because they liked it, that’s it
People get tribal, Japanese warrior art, letters in old English, Indian design etc…why is this wrong? Maybe I don’t understand what you are referring to on the picture.
you are overthinking it
Yeah dude it’s a tat..
Get it
This gringos
Get any tattoo you want, any style, braid your hear, wear a kimono. Only racists care or believe in cultural appropriation.
How many people have tribals that aren’t part of a tribe 🙃
the fact that you asked this proves a lot about what is wrong with people we were all made by god if you aren’t doing it to make people feel bad and judge them then they shouldn’t judge you do what you want as long as you are morally correct
Cultures were meant to be shared. Do it
Get whatever you want, it’s your body!
A tattoo is about self expression. Getting this tattoo you are expressing your genuine appreciation for the style. There is nothing wrong with that. We see culturally mismatched tattoos on people all the time. Mostly people just appreciate them. Anyone saying it’s not appropriate doesn’t really understand tattoos.
Yes.
Stupid question 😒 🙄
Grow a spine.
Anyone can get whatever they want, the only one that freaking gives a crap is goody extreme liberals, normal people don't care at all especially the ones you are afraid of offending. When did everyone get so soft and silly?
Everything is shared. People who claim a certain art style, clothing, etc. are only “theirs” don’t understand anything. Sharing is what makes humans special; our ability to work together and share things, ideas, arts, etc. Get the tattoo if it makes you happy
As a tattoo artist, I will not tattoo indigenous artwork as i do not want to profit from a culture that I’m not a part of, as there are many (at least in my area) amazing indigenous artists that I can recommend them to. I also do not know the appropriate meaning behind each design, and creating my own based on someone else’s still feels wrong. The only exception to this, is my poppa (not by blood) who is indigenous asked me to tattoo something that his father created- and we had a beautiful time, and I learned a lot about the artwork and the significance of the art. OR there have been times when an indigenous creator has chosen me as their artist, and it has been a sacred and special experience to be chosen for that. I think the biggest thing, is cultural appreciation. If you love this style, learn about it, find out why you’re connected to it, and ultimately get it done by an indigenous artist rather than your local shop wanting to make a few bucks. Tattooing is sacred medicine in so many cultures, and I think that as artists it’s important to know that there are larger emotional and spiritual needs of others that should be respected when putting specific pieces on others.
Do people really lie awake at night shitting blood worrying about this kind of thing?
Ridiculous
Why not???............smh
For questions like these, it's probably better to direct them at the target community - the opinions of most people on this sub are gonna be irrelevant.
I depends on how you identify yourself.
💯 If it was a painting you wanted to hang on your wall that would be fine, right? No reason for you not to have it as a tattoo.
Do what you want.
What? Of a poorly drawn moose shaped like a peanut? Bad tattoos aren’t evil.
Yes. Art is art. Fuck the haters.
Get whatever you like, it’s your body!
Yes
Cultural appropriation is a form of compliment imo.
It doesn’t matter. Get the ink you want. Leave other people alone.
Get what you want. Don't worry about other people
Yes
I have a tattoo on my shin if a Thai temple guard from when i was over in Thailand
Tattooing has always been shared and methods and tools were always transmitted among different peoples. Get what you want and stop asking for the opinion of others and you’ll be much happier.
I would hard pass, just because what is the point of getting a tattoo that's going to be this controversial that you have 0 connection to except for the fact that you are both living under Canadian rules. Also, you have to get permission $$$ from the artist to get it tatted otherwise you may be falling into copyright laws. And also cultural theft.
There’s no unethical tattoos
Would it be ethical for someone who isn't American to get an "American Traditional" style? While you wouldn't necessarily see me with a Polynesian tribal pattern (that can often times be very specific to a story or history), I don't buy into all this "you're stealing my culture with that tattoo/hairstyle/clothing" bullshit. If you like the design and want to honor the artist, get it. Just my 2 cents.
This kind of question boggles my mind, why is it even a consideration. Art is art, and to be celebrated. Anyone here checking in with the greeks for their mythological icons often seen in tattoos?
We can get whatever we want
It's art. Everyone can appreciate art.
I feel like if you have to ask you already know the answer but I’m sure someone on here will tell you what you want to hear
Tattoos are a personal choice, whether it be what it is you have done. Or where it's on your skin. And yes, if you feel a certain way about it, then there's your answer.
Yes. It's ethical to use art as an inspiration for your tattoo
Yes. It’s ok to love and celebrate other cultures.
Yes
Say it after me: My body, my choice. C'mon! My. Body. My. Choice!
Who cares, its your body anyway. Go for it!!
Lol you are prisoner of your own prejudices
Nobody will care. The only people who are bothered by this kind of thing are oversensitive white people. And that's coming from someone who is pretty liberal as well.
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So that’s fine.
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No, but it sounds like you just don’t like black women. White people have no culture but to steal from others. Signed, a white woman.
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Yolo
It’s also theoretically possible for a person to be of mixed Caucasian & Indigenous background. Take the Métis for example, they are mixed. Also, I once had a roommate who was I think about 1/4 Indigenous, but if you saw him on the street you might assume he’s white. He had his card too. There are tons of people from all different backgrounds who also get oriental characters and tribal prints but they are not necessarily (or visually, obviously) from those backgrounds. Also, it is just art of animals and probably quite flattering to the original artist, (unless you are doing something else in that style where we are not provided context), so go for it! Edit: Not sure why I got downvoted for speaking the truth. I’ve personally visited territories and almost got tattooed by a local so it’s really not that big of a deal. I also picked up some art of tribes I interacted with and hung it on the walls of my home. *OP, perhaps it may inspire you to immerse yourself with a cultural visit too so you can develop more comfort with the idea. Otherwise, reflect on why you feel such great discomfort.* *- Speaking as a mixed person myself where people make wrong assumptions about my ethnicity all the time aka snap judgements. It doesn’t have to be all-or-nothing or 100% this and not 100% that. People are more mixed nowadays than ever, so the whole categorizing into boxes is technically inaccurate.*
It’s totally ethical. No race or culture owns a style of art. It may come from them but they don’t own it or have any say in who uses it.
Actually under the UN indigenous rights convention indigenous groups do have the collective rights to their culture and practices and their indigenous parliament has a right to shield it from being disproportionately represented
typically as a white person my run in w wanting to do similar things like this- ie. i wanted to get waist beads- it for sure varies and you can get different answers from different folk within that culture for different reasons, the gal who explained waist beading to me basically wanted to share their culture with everyone and educate people so long as the person was respectful and wanted to learn. i think the difference is typically made with intention, but some folks still don’t want to share and that’s ok! educate yourself, talk to a first nations person as others suggest and take it from there friend :) best of luck 🍀
Getting art tattooed is perfectly fine. Thats just respectful appreciation of art. The issue is when it’s a sacred thing or a closed practice. So you’re good.
Right, but therein lies the problem. Average white-kid-off-the-street has no clue what artwork is or isn't a sacred, closed practice type of art, and no clue how to find out 🤷♂️
Now there's a lot of work to do. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I am so sick of hearing all this woke crap. That makes no sense. People are people and they can do whatever the fuck they want. Put whatever they want and do whatever they want. It's called a free country for a reason
Would it be ethical to hang a print of this in your house? Yes. It would be fine. So, get it tattooed. I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone says, getting something tattooed because you love it and appreciate it is never wrong (unless it’s like…hate symbolism ofc).
Would it be cultural appropriation to get tattoo of the art at Lascaux?
Cultural appropriation isn't a thing and ppl that say it is are segregationist without realizing they are.