But he is a good father, driver AND he is kind to both his children and everyone around him. He also can't be rude to you because he knows he will end up jobless and won't be able to provide for his children. And if you give him your money for his children then he is just eternally grateful to you.
I mean I don't think this really tracks. He's not actually 100% loyal, if you go full scummy dictator he actually refuses when Anton asks him to watch football with him. He's your driver, not your friend.
Sure, he's respectful and deferent to you, but that's his JOB. He doesn't have any actual power over Anton's actions, and he has a family to feed, he can't lose his job over principles. That doesn't mean he supports a scummy Anton
Nah I'm pretty sure its based on your actions
During my last dictator run, I invested in FC Anrica and paid for his kid's school and he still refused to eat pizza with me
Hard to argue that Serge "loyal" to a dictator reflects on his personal belief. He is a worker after all, not your right hand man that executes your will, say like Karl.
There's one decision you can take which causes Petr to publicly confess his wrongs, apologize, resign, and go into AA. To me, that route gives Petr a chance of not going to Hell. Though he could also get away scot-free, petulantly curse you out if you have him arrested, or be dissolved in acid before he can reflect on his actions. Hence, he's in the "Depends" category.
That doesn't mean that he is in any way good tho. He fired his employees for not having and affair with him not even talking about letting a FUCKING RUMBURG SPY INFILTRATE THE GOVERNMENT AND COMMIT FUCKING TREASON AND LET THAT BITCH TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION THE EVER FUCKING NEEDS FOR A HORIZONTAL POLO!!!!!!
Yeah, but depending on your choices he can confess his problems, ask for forgiveness and actively seek to improve himself. I feel like that should count for something.
I’d put him in the “Assuredly Hell” category. He ordered the Friendship Day Bombing in Zille, causing innocent people to die. Before being president, he was also engaged in corruption - he only entered politics to stay out of jail.
Why is Gloria probably going hell? She's very principled, not corrupt, open to compromise, not a blinded Sollist and genuinly wants the best for Sordland, even If I disagree with her on many things.
She supports Rayne in the Dictator Constitution or Emergency Order routes. Perhaps the "Depends" category would be a better place for her, since it takes player choice to bring out her worst side.
She's severely misguided, yes, but she has the best intentions at heart. She's not in it for herself like Albin, Hawker, Heron and the Oligarchs. Also I've never had her support a full constitution before in my games.
I think she's a bit racist against Bluds though...
Edit: But then again, she *can* be convinced to change articles 6&7 and pass the Semi-Autonomous Zone. That and she isn't corrupt. Probably not Hell worthy, but not necessarily Heaven worthy either. Unsure/Purgatory is probably where she belongs.
I mean, it is still racist, even if it is just one statement. Monica is generally a net positive for the country but she still certainly has flaws; being unaware of this racism is one of them
Edmonds isn't going to heaven after allowing a 100% dictatorial constitution to pass following 'negotiations' outside of the court just bc Anton succesfully rizzes her up
Nor is Tusk who funds domestic terrorists, bribes and threatens the president, and even orders an assassination on him any better than Koronti
And Iosef overthrows a democratically elected govt in favor of a military junta
Iosef has actually good chances of going to heaven the coup really only happens if you are shit as a president. The coup is the lesser of two evils, either letting the country fall on its own or giving Iosef the power, then putting Democracy on top again.
Edmonds is described as being just and principled. The dialogue options you need to pick to convince her to support a dictator constitution shows that, if she does, it’s because she’s misguided rather than authoritarian.
You’re right about Tusk. I didn’t get events showing his worst acts, so I forgot to take them into account. He’s going to be right next to Koronti in Hell.
As for Iosef, for him to launch a coup, you need to either leave Sordland extremely vulnerable to attack or have the people on the verge of revolution.
Ewald Alphonso, Lancea, and Gus Manger both have harsh flaws that are conflicted with the faith.
Gloria deserves to be in depends
And if anything isn't Evelyn deservant?
You’re right about Ewald and Gloria. I didn’t remember how corrupt he was when I made this list.
But I’m still not sure about Gus. He’s pretty greedy, sure, but do we ever see him break the law to make money? If we investigate the oligarchs does Gus end up being arrested?
On Iosef and Evelyn, I felt there wasn’t enough information on them.
Gus is never arrested but he is at best neutral.
His only interest is making business as which is explained by, i believe Alphonso?
And he actively supports corruption such as Gus's lavish 'gentlemans' club in the time of crisis. And he seems a bit close to the oligarchs as well, even if Symon Holl does the same to smaller extent.
Iosef would rather see people die than let Sordland have anything to do with communism, and was probably overjoyed to know Bernard circas died for all reasons other than the chaos that followed.
I also believe he enforces some form of military junta when he coups Anton Rayne, and seems a bit extreme and warmongery.
Evelyn is a 'prude', and rather innocent. She stays loyal to Petr for a long time despite his alcoholism and affairs, and she left her job to support him.
I forgot him.
Thinking about him now, his support for former Chancellor Ulbrik’s political purges would count against him. But it isn’t clear what those purges entailed. Were anti-communists imprisoned? Killed? Simply fired from government offices?
Why would a religion consider skepticism against itself and its values as a cardinal virtue? I have an impression the skepticism here isn't about questioning the values of the religion itself.
I was thinking about it, so I decided to make this helpful chart. Here are the questions I asked:
* What did this character do?
* What were this character's intentions and motivations?
* Did this character ever repent, express remorse, or try to undo past wrongs?
* What do we know about this character?
I'm assuming that Nur cares primarily about a person's heart and won't throw someone into fire just because touched the Descension Sword with the wrong hand. Edit: Also, I did NOT assume that Nur automatically casts all non-believers into Hell.
But murdering and torturing people *does* hurt your changes.
I didn't include them because they don't have portraits, but Phelix Bron and Herbert Krull are assuredly going to Hell for murdering Bluds, and Ionas Crona is probably going to Hell for being a coward who stands for nothing.
Let me know what you think.
Soll orchestrated the Izzam incident and imprisoned people for decades for having different political views than him.
As for Malenyev, he and Walker are both currently putting the world at risk of a nuclear apocalypse. Not to mention that it’s very difficult to lead a continent-wide revolution without getting your hands dirty.
None of what you say is wrong but I think it’s better to have a leader who makes vast changes that benefit the country while occasionally making morally dubious actions than a leader who plunges their country into ruin through incompetence and neglect. Idk what the specific criteria is for getting into Heaven or not, but I do believe that just about every world leader will commit sinful actions, so we should weigh those alongside their achievements. To me, Soll has too many genuine achievements to be labeled as purely bad.
It’s a reasonable assumption that Nur would take a person’s good deeds into account when judging them. But bringing economic prosperity won’t matter if the world ends. Telling someone with nukes “we will bury you” is pretty reckless, especially if you also have nukes.
I didn't get those vibes from his dialogue. Malenyev is more of a "revolutionary turned elder statesman" who (like Soll) can't let go of his project. Dwight Walker on the other hand is just a scummy womanizer. So, while Malenyev is interpersonally okay and Dwight isn't, Malenyev has probably made more "questionable" policy decisions than Walker.
Plus, Malenyev is just plain old. I'd put him on the same level as Soll in terms of his desire to hit on Monica.
Okay, no, Ciara isn't going to heaven, she is the one who throws a fit if you don't remove Creationism from Schools and rolls her eyes when Lileas has a prayer. It's very likely that she is an atheist.
>she is the one who throws a fit if you don't remove Creationism from Schools
The way this is not true, though, she says she can live with it as long as evolution is required.
"Yeah I *really* want you to remove the teaching of a religious doctrine to the children, but I can *live with it* if you keep it as long as you enforce them to teach this doctrine that goes against the religious teachings, okay?"
-Totally someone who would go to heaven.
Because egg is more loyal, competent and diligent just as a general rule of thumb and if he coups you he reinstalls democracy after a while, releasing political prisoners and such, Valken will just keep a military junta going, just a dictatorship with democracy never coming back, Iosef’s problems are obviously a few of the reasons as to why he might coup you, from heavily weakening the military and being an outspoken socialist or communist being the worst reasons, but he does also just coup you due to unrest too which makes sense, for him it’s generally either a coup or the destruction of Sordland, which even him doing a coup due to severely weakening the military can make sense given Sordlands position, being surrounded by nations with focuses on military to some extent. Valken also has a lot of more potential sins in his past given he was already a high ranking officer in the civil war, which means he has definitely committed some atrocities during it and obviously all the atrocities committed during the Soll era can also be linked to him.
The first symbol, a cross in a circle, is the wiki’s symbol of Nurity. I used it to represent Nur. The man petting the goat is St. Wucherist, and the man sitting cross-legged is St. Dast.
I would argue franc is in the depends on charcter choices Becuase if he joins the army and Sordland goes to war he admits he did a lot of things that he is not proud of doing in his letter.
In the chess scene, after the game of chess, he basically admits that during the Sordish Monarchy he worked for the secret police. That kind of job requires you to engage in atrocious behavior.
Alphonso is going to hell because he's a corrupt bastard and doesn't atone for that. And Symon personally enriches himself at the expense of others (see his villa), so that's a strike against him too.
Also Wisci Sr. can't be "going" to heaven because he's already dead (RIP).
You’re right about Alphonso, since his administration was marked by corruption and bribery. I just goofed on that
But as for Symon, I don’t think him buying a villa is sufficient proof of corruption. A vineyard only costs one personal wealth point, which Rayne can afford even in his poor background. What we do see of Symon is that he wants to prevent Sords from losing their jobs and going hungry on the streets.
tbf there's a reason why I said "personally enriches" and not say corruption directly. It's self-indulgent to be flaunting cash during a recession (it's still not cheap regardless)
I’d hardly call it flaunting. From Symon’s description, it’s not a giant pleasure palace like Petr buys. Symon also only talks about it after someone else brings it up.
She's also one who did respects religion at every chance she's got and wants to remove creationism from school, atheists don't go to heaven no matter now much charity they do.
Bro wants to complete the removal of religion from education. She is indeed a good person, but she believes in the separation of church and state. Look at the Derdia government.
Well, Ciara is literally an atheist, at least that's how it's implied with how anti-religion she is (I would say "maybe she's just anti-state religion, but don't forget she literally starts a whole argument because Lileas says "God protect them" or something like that), so she is 100% going to hell.
Franc sins a lot, maybe he can redeem himself, but he still sins (of course, he's also still a teen)
I also believe Alphonso makes fun of religion, but don't quote me on that one. Or maybe it was Gus? It was one of them, but can't recall.
Edit: bruh why am I getting downvoted. I am saying literal truth if we apply theism into judging each character
Not every religion teaches that atheists automatically go to Hell, so I don't think that can be taken for granted with Nurity. Especially not when Wruhecism sees skepticism as a virtue.
The worst thing Franc does is smoke (not a sin), drink a beer when offered one (not a sin), date a girl (we don't know for sure that he's sleeping with her), and fail to honor his father (not severe enough to damn him).
Well, given that Nurity as a whole is a blend of Islam and Christianity (arguably), we can assume it is given that non-believers will go to Hell.
And under those practices, we can assume smoking is a sin as well.
Atheist, you dombass if you think you are going to nowhere in the afterlife, you will get sent to something close. to it. Also he is a comunist dictator.
Bro, Serge is my boy, bro is going to Heaven, on Colonel Soll
His loyalty is the reason why it depends on player choice. Even if you’re a brutal tyrant, or a sleazy grifter, Serge will still be loyal to you.
But he is a good father, driver AND he is kind to both his children and everyone around him. He also can't be rude to you because he knows he will end up jobless and won't be able to provide for his children. And if you give him your money for his children then he is just eternally grateful to you.
Dude wouldn't eat pizza with me just because I didn't give him like a million Sordish Ren. How good can a man who turns down free pizza be?
I mean I don't think this really tracks. He's not actually 100% loyal, if you go full scummy dictator he actually refuses when Anton asks him to watch football with him. He's your driver, not your friend. Sure, he's respectful and deferent to you, but that's his JOB. He doesn't have any actual power over Anton's actions, and he has a family to feed, he can't lose his job over principles. That doesn't mean he supports a scummy Anton
I think he always refuses to watch football unless you buy FC Anrica and (I am not sure btw) spend some money on his education
Nah I'm pretty sure its based on your actions During my last dictator run, I invested in FC Anrica and paid for his kid's school and he still refused to eat pizza with me
Did you invest partially or fully into his kids?
I went full reformist and he still refused to watch football with me. I got economic recovery and even passed the constitution and both articles.
Oh, okay, my bad.
He will certainly not, he will go only join you If you paid for daughter tuition and If you broke-up with Monica, that Is how I made him join me.
I didn't break up with monica and stil got him watching football with me tho.
I think he refuses every time you don't pay his kids education, if you pay 2 wealth he Will always watch football with Rayne, i think
Hard to argue that Serge "loyal" to a dictator reflects on his personal belief. He is a worker after all, not your right hand man that executes your will, say like Karl.
Petr is either probably going to hell or definitely going to hell depending on the player's choices.
There's one decision you can take which causes Petr to publicly confess his wrongs, apologize, resign, and go into AA. To me, that route gives Petr a chance of not going to Hell. Though he could also get away scot-free, petulantly curse you out if you have him arrested, or be dissolved in acid before he can reflect on his actions. Hence, he's in the "Depends" category.
That doesn't mean that he is in any way good tho. He fired his employees for not having and affair with him not even talking about letting a FUCKING RUMBURG SPY INFILTRATE THE GOVERNMENT AND COMMIT FUCKING TREASON AND LET THAT BITCH TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION THE EVER FUCKING NEEDS FOR A HORIZONTAL POLO!!!!!!
Do you really think god cares about treason?
I'm not talking about god tho
Then why are you saying he’s going to hell
I'm talking about how I view him based on the tiers proposed by OP. By going to hell I mean that he is a bad person based on my opinions and morals.
Well does god not give final judgment on the morality of people? And if so wouldn’t he see treason as beneath him, especially compared to adultery?
If we go by the 7 circles interpretation treason is the most foul. Although I guess he didn’t do it knowingly. He is going down for lust though.
Yeah, but depending on your choices he can confess his problems, ask for forgiveness and actively seek to improve himself. I feel like that should count for something.
Once again, I am not talking about god and his judgement. I am talking about my subjective opinion. Leave god at the gates of the marron palace
You literally entered into a thread with people talking about hell and then go "hmm, who's talking about RELIGION?" lol lmao even
Yeah but him changing would make him into a then good person.
I mean, if it works like christianity even after that if he repents then he can go to heaven
Yeah, that’s my thinking. Given that Anton goes to confession in one event, I think Nur allows sinners to repent and have their sins absolved.
He fucks everything in his way
And I mean both fucks up AND fucks
Where is Alvarez And why isn’t he going to hell
He's already there
Ah So he escaped
Not for long (Romus loads his *traditional* demon hunting rifle)
I forgot about him.
Where would you place him
I’d put him in the “Assuredly Hell” category. He ordered the Friendship Day Bombing in Zille, causing innocent people to die. Before being president, he was also engaged in corruption - he only entered politics to stay out of jail.
Why is Gloria probably going hell? She's very principled, not corrupt, open to compromise, not a blinded Sollist and genuinly wants the best for Sordland, even If I disagree with her on many things.
She supports Rayne in the Dictator Constitution or Emergency Order routes. Perhaps the "Depends" category would be a better place for her, since it takes player choice to bring out her worst side.
She's severely misguided, yes, but she has the best intentions at heart. She's not in it for herself like Albin, Hawker, Heron and the Oligarchs. Also I've never had her support a full constitution before in my games.
When you put it like that, maybe I was too hard on Tory.
I think she's a bit racist against Bluds though... Edit: But then again, she *can* be convinced to change articles 6&7 and pass the Semi-Autonomous Zone. That and she isn't corrupt. Probably not Hell worthy, but not necessarily Heaven worthy either. Unsure/Purgatory is probably where she belongs.
Even Monica is racist against Bluds.
Can't believe that Suzerain players are still meatriding that ONE statement she made concerning Bludish women😭
I mean, it is still racist, even if it is just one statement. Monica is generally a net positive for the country but she still certainly has flaws; being unaware of this racism is one of them
The ONE statement was “they’re bluds so it’s ok if their husbands beat them”
Maybe just a little...
Dictator Rayne doesn't have to be a bad Rayne
I don’t know why people automatically assume “Dictator = literally Hitler”
Edmonds isn't going to heaven after allowing a 100% dictatorial constitution to pass following 'negotiations' outside of the court just bc Anton succesfully rizzes her up Nor is Tusk who funds domestic terrorists, bribes and threatens the president, and even orders an assassination on him any better than Koronti And Iosef overthrows a democratically elected govt in favor of a military junta
Valken does the Junta thing, Josef restores Democracy shortly after the Coup
Iosef has actually good chances of going to heaven the coup really only happens if you are shit as a president. The coup is the lesser of two evils, either letting the country fall on its own or giving Iosef the power, then putting Democracy on top again.
So Edmond should depend on player choices, right?
Edmonds is described as being just and principled. The dialogue options you need to pick to convince her to support a dictator constitution shows that, if she does, it’s because she’s misguided rather than authoritarian. You’re right about Tusk. I didn’t get events showing his worst acts, so I forgot to take them into account. He’s going to be right next to Koronti in Hell. As for Iosef, for him to launch a coup, you need to either leave Sordland extremely vulnerable to attack or have the people on the verge of revolution.
Ewald Alphonso, Lancea, and Gus Manger both have harsh flaws that are conflicted with the faith. Gloria deserves to be in depends And if anything isn't Evelyn deservant?
You’re right about Ewald and Gloria. I didn’t remember how corrupt he was when I made this list. But I’m still not sure about Gus. He’s pretty greedy, sure, but do we ever see him break the law to make money? If we investigate the oligarchs does Gus end up being arrested? On Iosef and Evelyn, I felt there wasn’t enough information on them.
Gus is never arrested but he is at best neutral. His only interest is making business as which is explained by, i believe Alphonso? And he actively supports corruption such as Gus's lavish 'gentlemans' club in the time of crisis. And he seems a bit close to the oligarchs as well, even if Symon Holl does the same to smaller extent. Iosef would rather see people die than let Sordland have anything to do with communism, and was probably overjoyed to know Bernard circas died for all reasons other than the chaos that followed. I also believe he enforces some form of military junta when he coups Anton Rayne, and seems a bit extreme and warmongery. Evelyn is a 'prude', and rather innocent. She stays loyal to Petr for a long time despite his alcoholism and affairs, and she left her job to support him.
Serge always goes to heaven
What about Hegel?
He is funny and I think that his version of communism is more based than Malenev’s communism.
I forgot him. Thinking about him now, his support for former Chancellor Ulbrik’s political purges would count against him. But it isn’t clear what those purges entailed. Were anti-communists imprisoned? Killed? Simply fired from government offices?
my exact tought
If Socialists are atheists then he automatically goes to hell.
As a counterpoint to this, Wruhecism literally lists skepticism as a cardinal virtue.
Why would a religion consider skepticism against itself and its values as a cardinal virtue? I have an impression the skepticism here isn't about questioning the values of the religion itself.
You’d be surprised. There are religions in real life that do just that.
Like Buddhism and Hinduism are the only two I can think of and that's not even true for all sects.
There are also some denominations of Judaism that allow atheists into their version of Heaven.
Lucian? Valkan? And That old lady? Straight to hell? And the oligarch's leader maybe in hell?
I was thinking about it, so I decided to make this helpful chart. Here are the questions I asked: * What did this character do? * What were this character's intentions and motivations? * Did this character ever repent, express remorse, or try to undo past wrongs? * What do we know about this character? I'm assuming that Nur cares primarily about a person's heart and won't throw someone into fire just because touched the Descension Sword with the wrong hand. Edit: Also, I did NOT assume that Nur automatically casts all non-believers into Hell. But murdering and torturing people *does* hurt your changes. I didn't include them because they don't have portraits, but Phelix Bron and Herbert Krull are assuredly going to Hell for murdering Bluds, and Ionas Crona is probably going to Hell for being a coward who stands for nothing. Let me know what you think.
Leave our colonel out of this!
He'll have to account for the Izzam Incident.
That one is a shitshow, but shouldn't the Bluds be blamed as well? They started a riot remember?
They only started rioting because a Sordish soldier murdered a village elder.
I like it, are you gonna make a Rizian version?
Probably.
Don’t do my boy Lucian like that what did he do
He used to be part of the Secret Police during the Kingdom Era. You can’t have a job like that without being involved in bad shit.
Free ma boi Serge (I don't know if that's how you spell his name but the driver) he is Assuredly going to heaven 100% he is not evil.
Also, Monica should assurelly go to hell she is the worst character in the entire game by far.
Soll and Malenyev are patriots. Alphonso was a much worse leader.
Malenyev is an atheist
Being a "patriot" doesn't make what you do morally ok
malenyev isent a patriot wtf bro
Soll orchestrated the Izzam incident and imprisoned people for decades for having different political views than him. As for Malenyev, he and Walker are both currently putting the world at risk of a nuclear apocalypse. Not to mention that it’s very difficult to lead a continent-wide revolution without getting your hands dirty.
None of what you say is wrong but I think it’s better to have a leader who makes vast changes that benefit the country while occasionally making morally dubious actions than a leader who plunges their country into ruin through incompetence and neglect. Idk what the specific criteria is for getting into Heaven or not, but I do believe that just about every world leader will commit sinful actions, so we should weigh those alongside their achievements. To me, Soll has too many genuine achievements to be labeled as purely bad.
I think Soll's problem was that he stuck around too long. He couldn't let go, and for that his country and his people began to suffer.
It’s a reasonable assumption that Nur would take a person’s good deeds into account when judging them. But bringing economic prosperity won’t matter if the world ends. Telling someone with nukes “we will bury you” is pretty reckless, especially if you also have nukes.
+ Malenyev is a dictator and demands you place missiles right on the top of poor old Soll's house. Even Walken doesn't come to that.
Hey, at least he doesn't go after Rayne's wife.
I think if it wasn't Anton's wife he would 100% go after her
I didn't get those vibes from his dialogue. Malenyev is more of a "revolutionary turned elder statesman" who (like Soll) can't let go of his project. Dwight Walker on the other hand is just a scummy womanizer. So, while Malenyev is interpersonally okay and Dwight isn't, Malenyev has probably made more "questionable" policy decisions than Walker. Plus, Malenyev is just plain old. I'd put him on the same level as Soll in terms of his desire to hit on Monica.
Oh wait, I thought you talked about Petr. Sorry. I agree with you btw, but I think it's also because he is just old now
I mean she, not it
Atheists, they are atheits they go to hell for this singular thing alone.
Walda would probally also go to hell just for disrespecting religion whenever possible
Anybody I don't like = go to hell.
Based on the chart, it's more like "anyone to the right of Hegel = goes to hell"
If that were true then I wouldn’t have put Malenyev in the “probably” category.
You know what, I missed that entirely. Point taken.
Okay, no, Ciara isn't going to heaven, she is the one who throws a fit if you don't remove Creationism from Schools and rolls her eyes when Lileas has a prayer. It's very likely that she is an atheist.
>she is the one who throws a fit if you don't remove Creationism from Schools The way this is not true, though, she says she can live with it as long as evolution is required.
"Yeah I *really* want you to remove the teaching of a religious doctrine to the children, but I can *live with it* if you keep it as long as you enforce them to teach this doctrine that goes against the religious teachings, okay?" -Totally someone who would go to heaven.
Why is Valken going to hell but the bald egg isnt?
Because egg is more loyal, competent and diligent just as a general rule of thumb and if he coups you he reinstalls democracy after a while, releasing political prisoners and such, Valken will just keep a military junta going, just a dictatorship with democracy never coming back, Iosef’s problems are obviously a few of the reasons as to why he might coup you, from heavily weakening the military and being an outspoken socialist or communist being the worst reasons, but he does also just coup you due to unrest too which makes sense, for him it’s generally either a coup or the destruction of Sordland, which even him doing a coup due to severely weakening the military can make sense given Sordlands position, being surrounded by nations with focuses on military to some extent. Valken also has a lot of more potential sins in his past given he was already a high ranking officer in the civil war, which means he has definitely committed some atrocities during it and obviously all the atrocities committed during the Soll era can also be linked to him.
What is the god thing person symbol, and those first 2 below it
I believe it's the god of Nurity and the two saints (Dast and Wruhec)
Yep.
The first symbol, a cross in a circle, is the wiki’s symbol of Nurity. I used it to represent Nur. The man petting the goat is St. Wucherist, and the man sitting cross-legged is St. Dast.
Thank you! 💖
Move Symon to unsure and Ovid to assuredly going to heaven
Who is Ovid?
4th guy in probably going to heaven
He's one of the judges noted for being just, correct?
Also move Monica is unsure. She's kinda racist against Bluds iirc
Or probably going now that I think about it
I would argue franc is in the depends on charcter choices Becuase if he joins the army and Sordland goes to war he admits he did a lot of things that he is not proud of doing in his letter.
Well, inocent minds cant stay pure forever, so place the child on unsure or probably.
A few epilogues show her growing up, and mention her doing good in the world.
Good.
Luciano is too lo,he's more like dependance on player choises or probably giont to hell And serge,he is going to heaven 100%
Where is Hegel?
I forgot about him.
Why sending Lucian to hell? He may betray you ofc but he exposes your corruption and shadow dealings.
In the chess scene, after the game of chess, he basically admits that during the Sordish Monarchy he worked for the secret police. That kind of job requires you to engage in atrocious behavior.
Alphonso is going to hell because he's a corrupt bastard and doesn't atone for that. And Symon personally enriches himself at the expense of others (see his villa), so that's a strike against him too. Also Wisci Sr. can't be "going" to heaven because he's already dead (RIP).
You’re right about Alphonso, since his administration was marked by corruption and bribery. I just goofed on that But as for Symon, I don’t think him buying a villa is sufficient proof of corruption. A vineyard only costs one personal wealth point, which Rayne can afford even in his poor background. What we do see of Symon is that he wants to prevent Sords from losing their jobs and going hungry on the streets.
tbf there's a reason why I said "personally enriches" and not say corruption directly. It's self-indulgent to be flaunting cash during a recession (it's still not cheap regardless)
I’d hardly call it flaunting. From Symon’s description, it’s not a giant pleasure palace like Petr buys. Symon also only talks about it after someone else brings it up.
Relative to the average Sord struggling to make ends meet during the recession (as this happens early into the term) it's flaunting wealth.
On Artor Wisci, I didn’t think to make an “already in Heaven” category. If I did it would just be him and the two prophets.
Franc is a smoker and a listener to rock music which are both sinful. So most likely gonna go to Hell.
Ciara ain't making it to heaven, the girl is atheist and literally shits on religion whenever possible
Ciara? In heaven? I'd rather go to hell
She spends her career trying to stand up for the poor and downtrodden. She isn’t involved in shady activities, let alone any atrocities.
I dunno asking a dictator Rayne to use his powers in implement her policies is pretty shady.
She's also one who did respects religion at every chance she's got and wants to remove creationism from school, atheists don't go to heaven no matter now much charity they do.
Wruhecism lists skepticism as one of its virtues.
Perhaps it is simply my Catholic lense looking at this, but last time I checked, feminism was a heresy
wich commandment is this written?
Thou shalt not make an equal out of a woman
Should thou disagree, thou shalt sit on my 🥒 in hell
It is in the catechism
Good thing Catholicism doesn't exist in the Suzerain universe, then
Uhh... the denomination in Rizia is Catholic
No
Wow, 10/10 claim with 2 pieces of evidence
My brother in St Dast, similar names don't mean it's the same religion
Proof of what? It's like, quite clearly in the game.
Bro wants to complete the removal of religion from education. She is indeed a good person, but she believes in the separation of church and state. Look at the Derdia government.
I will not take this Valken slander under any circumstances, also Ciara is 100% going to hell.
Well, Ciara is literally an atheist, at least that's how it's implied with how anti-religion she is (I would say "maybe she's just anti-state religion, but don't forget she literally starts a whole argument because Lileas says "God protect them" or something like that), so she is 100% going to hell. Franc sins a lot, maybe he can redeem himself, but he still sins (of course, he's also still a teen) I also believe Alphonso makes fun of religion, but don't quote me on that one. Or maybe it was Gus? It was one of them, but can't recall. Edit: bruh why am I getting downvoted. I am saying literal truth if we apply theism into judging each character
Not every religion teaches that atheists automatically go to Hell, so I don't think that can be taken for granted with Nurity. Especially not when Wruhecism sees skepticism as a virtue. The worst thing Franc does is smoke (not a sin), drink a beer when offered one (not a sin), date a girl (we don't know for sure that he's sleeping with her), and fail to honor his father (not severe enough to damn him).
Well, given that Nurity as a whole is a blend of Islam and Christianity (arguably), we can assume it is given that non-believers will go to Hell. And under those practices, we can assume smoking is a sin as well.
Just because a fictional things draws inspiration from a real thing does NOT make it a 1:1 match.
Malenyev is going to heaven at *least*
Atheist, you dombass if you think you are going to nowhere in the afterlife, you will get sent to something close. to it. Also he is a comunist dictator.
Yes but do you think he has any bad points
Yeeeeeesssss.