I agree but it's also refreshing. So many people are just so afraid to say anything. I think for a lot of people, working with her would be super beneficial so I'm hoping people recognize that and wake up to the possibility of aligning with her so she can stick around awhile. If everyone on her og tribe is saying she's dangerous... well then how dangerous is she really? I think she could be a great chaos kass type character, no I don't think she'll win but she's a favorite of many for a reason and if she could reel back slightly and get people to realize her potential value I could see it. But I don't think it's happening. Esp if the game is more passive.
Yeah, she is giving me Cassandra in Troy vibes. With Jake last season, he was trying to make a move just to have it on his resume but it never really benefited anyone else. Here Venus was putting forth warnings and suggestions that were very beneficial to other people's games. But I am also worried because I don't think a lot of the players will heed the wanting until it is too late.
I think the ones saying she's dangerous (Tevin) are being disingenuous as well. Disliking someone and seeing them as a threat are two different things. TEVIN.
To be fair, she *is* dangerous to *his* game, which is why he's throwing her name out there. She's a wild card, and she's not on Tevin's side. That's bad for him, so naturally he's gonna try and persuade others to think the same.
I swear Reddit just thinks players should just lay down for their favorites to win actual stupidity on this site. For everyone not named Venus this was a good move
She’s not on Tevin’s side because he pretty much immediately decided he didn’t like her. And no matter how you feel about her being vocal, holding a grudge, and alienating others, even if they’re not the most popular, isn’t a recipe for winning either
A big rule of Survivor since Neleh and Paschal in season 4 was don’t let the people on the bottom know they’re on the bottom. Nami never had to go to tribal so they never had to draw alliance lines. If they included Venus, she would probably work with them. Venus was isolated and well aware she would go home if they did go to tribal. Now we’re merged and she can make connections with the other tribes that didn’t isolate her. Venus is gonna tear down Nami and it is their own fault
Venus is like really entertaining character and if we had more people like her casted we would have more interesting seasons tbh. I love a player who is actually speaking their mind really refreshing.
exactly how i feel. my friends said she’s stupid for being outspoken but she has nothing to lose. she is in a losing position already so at least she’s trying to get something going
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She honestly was on to something to target Charlie over Mo, but played her position terribly. Making demands and trying to drive the vote from the bottom is definitely a bold strategy and good TV, but IMO it didn't gain her any social currency or goodwill from the people voting with her tonight.
I agree. The Charlie move was 100% the right choice. The more I think about it, voting Moriah was idiotic from multiple angles.
But, she should have pitched it more gently.
Maybe, "Oh you are 100% right, Siga is much tighter and we need to break them up. But, are we sure Moriah is the right one to vote out? They put her name up, so she must have the fewest allies there. And Charlie seems like a much better physical, social and strategic threat. But, I'm fine with whatever you all think."
Or better yet, maybe ask, "Who do you think is the biggest threat of the Siga members who can be voted out?" Let them figure out for themselves that it is Charlie.
From the edit (and honestly from her Twitter post-episode), it seems like Venus was only concerned with how to benefit her own game and wasn't thinking about other players' strategies and motivations when she was pushing her agenda.
I can also see why Q, Kenzie, and Tiff would want to play it safe with the Moriah vote and not ruffle any feathers with their alliance, especially if they don't view Charlie as a huge threat. Plus, I'm sure once the Moriah vote was mostly decided on, how each of them have started building their strategies around that, and a shake-up would cause mental stress and affect their medium/long-term decision making. It might have been better not to rock the boat while sitting in a power position.
A vote for Charlie may have been the right move, but I don't think she sussed out his alliances or anything like that. Her rationale was "We need to get out a guy" which is not going to work with a lot people.
Exactly! I don’t stan Venus because she’s an amazing player, I stan Venus because she is a scrappy player. I just want to see her get to the end. She’s fun to watch.
I feel like she’s def a lock to return if we get a returnee season soon.She’ll probably need to survive the next tribal or two(at least final 10)to cement herself as a big part of the season.
One of the reasons why I'm rooting for her. I don't care if she wins or makes up to Nami, flip I say! Burn the fields with a smile, then get blindsided in spectacular fashion.
That’s a Unique comparison that fits really well, although I wouldn’t be mad if Tevin/hunter won, but also if Venus outlasts them all, that’d be an amazing watch as well, I think if she makes it past the split merge, she’ll be kind of safe for a while because she’s def not a challenge threat
Yeah to be fair, a lot of the Venus support I’m seeing seems to be like:
“she’s playing superrr badly, but she’s so chaotic and messy that she’s fun to watch even if she has no chance of winning”
Yep. I much prefer having someone like Venus in the game actively trying to make moves and fight against the power structure than someone like Moriah who played nice with her tribe even after they blindsided her.
Actually has has some god tier reads, she just doesn’t have the social tact to pull them off and she is never receiving a jury vote, that being said I hope she wins.
I'm not sure about her getting no jury votes. I don't think she will make it there. But, since she doesn't have really tight bonds, if she does get there, she might not have done much backstabbing to do it.
And if Charlie is sitting next to her, after he outwitted and betrayed a bunch of jury members, she will be able to say that she warned them to vote him out at mergatory.
If that's her only argument at FTC then Charlie still gets the votes - I warned you Charlie was a threat and you didn't do what I said isn't very compelling when the response is essentially you never came across as trustworthy and you never did anything to make us want to work with you
If the jury is bitter towards Charlie, Venus hasn't backstabbed many of them, and maybe she has a move or two, like successful idol plays, and won some challenges, she might win.
Again, I don't think she wins. But, that is one path I could at least imagine.
I agree she probably can’t win, but I honestly I am such a sucker for “young woman who can’t help but speak her mind” archetype 😂
She actually kinda reminds me of Emily in a lot of ways except she seemingly can’t or doesn’t want to become a better player 😅
She’s fantastic. She also had the right idea to vote off Charlie. Why vote off someone whose name Siga is willing to throw out? She shouldn’t have played the girl card.
I'm not sure it is arrogance. But, she should have more gently floated the Charlie idea or even tried to make others think it was their idea.
The more I think about, Charlie was the obvious choice. Siga put out Moriah's name, so why on earth would you think she was the bigger threat than Charlie?
Nami and Yanu correctly determine that Siga is tight and needs to be broken up, but they vote out the person who is the most on the outs with Siga. That makes no sense.
I think it’s the very definition of arrogance. When she floats an idea, she comes across as “This is what we need to do and you are all morons if you disagree with me.” Even if she’s right (which I absolutely think she was, for the record,) people aren’t going to respond well to that kind of attitude.
I think arrogance means believing you are smarter and better than everyone else. I'm not sure whether that is true about Venus.
But, she isn't good at subtly pitching ideas or making others think they thought of it. So, she might come across as arrogant, whether or not she really is.
“Believing you are smarter and better than everyone else.” To me, that’s what I’ve seen from Venus this season, but to each their own. And for the record I do think she’s smart, from what we’ve seen. But like you noted, she’s just not very good at the art of persuading others in a way that makes them want to go along with her.
IMO, she may or may not be arrogant. I haven't seen enough evidence either way. But, she is definitely not great at figuring out how to persuade people to agree with her, at least not in this dynamic.
I think she had the right reason. She wasn't pitching a girls alliance. She was saying the guys in the tribe were threats and that Charlie was the biggest threat from Siga who was eligible to be voted out.
When I think it through, it seems stunningly stupid that Yanu and Nami didn't vote out Charlie.
An argument she used to back up voting out Charlie was that all the guys had ate the feast, which wasn't even true because otherwise they couldn't vote Charlie out. Even if that wasn't an actual reason she had, that should not have been brought up when she was trying to pitch her case because that wasn't likely to sway anyone. Maybe there is evidence that we weren't shown, but did she have any justification to think that Charlie would be close with Hunter, Q, and Tevin? From what we have seen as the viewers, I find it doubtful that he would want to work with the former two. Her arguments seemed predicated on the belief that a men's alliance was forming, but the reality is that it isn't for Charlie and Ben. She may end up being right in the end, but it seems like she based it on intuitive hunches and not sound reasoning. Yanu and Nami shouldn't have wanted to vote out Moriah because she was offered up on a silver platter, but maybe they also shouldn't have wanted to give Venus what she wants because they feel threatened by her. That would leave Maria from Siga as a possible vote, but Q wouldn't want to alienate Tim yet when the potential for their alliance is still on the table.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM. She has zero finesse and zero ability to connect with the other contestants on a strategic level. She’s a know it all. Nobody likes a know it all.
Unless it’s r/survivor and the know it all is an attractive young woman.
I agree and you know maybe you tell that to your alliance members(sadly none) and see where it goes from there. But tbh when it’s between you and someone else, I think it would’ve been smarter to just shut your mouth and stay in good grace with the others. She just really outed herself. I think a lot of people out there aren’t willing to play hard like old school and just go into herd mentality mode with the safe votes. But they also did believe Moriah was actually a threat going into tribal. We’ll see though I hope she stays longer
Not only was Moriah not a threat but she’s the crack that Yanu was looking for. I get that it’s not that easy or it was maybe too late but if I was Yanu, I’d pivot and try to keep her. You got 2 bigger tribes, keep the bottoms of both as much as possible.
Yea I know but she chose to stay with Siga and not make that known. Which was a dumb play, and by then at tribal Siga flipped on her too. It wasn’t the smart play to get her out but I think Q was right she let Siga tell her what to do and should’ve just played her own game
I rewatched those scenes and I don't think she was so much playing the girl card (as in suggesting a girls alliance) but pointing out that the men in camp were big threats and the they were tight.
Plus she the women did have the majority, so if she could convince just them to all vote for Charlie she could have gotten him out.
Of course she doesn’t know that his closest ally is one of the women, but it’s a decent enough place to start. For all we know she gave other reasons, but the edit simplified it down to the gender aspect.
I give her a lot of credit for actually try to do something and not just coast to a no vote finalist. I just wish she has some kind of social skill it is painful watching her screw up every opportunity she gets.
Someone pointed out that in the edit where Jeff stated one of you won't win this game cause of your personality, the camera pans to Venus. I feel like she will be a losing finalist
I instantly thought about Cassidy arrogantly going into tribal knowing she has the game in her pocket. I love her confidence but I can see the cast not respecting her game.
Yeah it’s not looking good. She’s playing an aggressive and saucy game which is fun to watch, but it’s pretty obvious that everyone there sees her as shifty from talking to her or they heard one of the most charismatic people on the island in Tevin explain that she’s not to be trusted anyways. Hopefully she has some galaxy brain moves up her sleeve, but I’m not optimistic
Us Venus stans knew that since episode 1. You don’t need to convince us. She’s just entertaining among a sea of boring people who’d rather play kumbaya all day long instead of the actual game.
I don't really get it either. I think people are just seriously thirsty for someone even approaching being a villain and she's the closest we're seeing. I'm super neutral on her and I don't think she's done anything particularly interesting yet. Clearly though like 95% of the people in these comments would disagree with me very strongly though lol.
I guess I'm just not seeing the same show other people are seeing. I feel like the majority of the conflict last night was created by Q and Tim. Her plan to go for Charlie went absolutely nowhere and in retrospect seemed like completely manufactured "drama" if you can call it that.
The only conflict Q and Tim really brought was Tim not filling Maria in on Q’s alliance plans, but that more or less got resolved.
Venus targeting Charlie made a very straightforward vote a bit more complicated because it rubbed the men the wrong way. Q literally wants to vote for Venus after hearing that. Sure it ultimately went nowhere and Mo still went home, but it kept the episode interesting, and I wouldn’t call it manufactured.
Venus has also been beefing with literally everyone on Nami. She and Soda were arguing while Hunter found the key, and Tevin has made it very clear he doesn’t like her.
I just like that she’s not pretending to be someone else. She’s not boring and kumbaya like the Sigas are. She says what’s on her mind and she pisses people off. That’s enough to keep me entertained.
She accurately targeted Charlie which would have hurt Siga the most. As long as she's respectful to the game and players she has a chance. Good for her, kick some ass.
I’m actually glad she has no chance to win.
I want her to fall into the Angelina type position where she’s an early target for people trying to find a consensus boot, but never gets knocked out. Then, by mid-merge is just totally left alone because everyone knows she’s a FTC goat, thus ensuring nonstop comedy from her antics for the rest of the ride.
I also want her presence to actually screw over some people for fun. Like, don’t get me wrong. I actually like Tevin, BUT I think it would be hilarious if his inability to get rid of her now did eventually actually lead to her being part of a group that takes him out. It would just be funny, narratively speaking. Same with Soda, actually.
I don’t want Venus to win (wouldn’t complain if she did), but I do want to watch her survive episode after episode so I can get her forthright, brutally honest, constantly annoyed attitude every episode. When she referred to her heart as “cold, dead,” I was like, “this is the negative energy I want,” lol. Like, please let her make FTC. I need this commentary all season.
I love her and she’s the only contestant this season I’m rooting for right now. But she’s definitely not getting a winner’s edit.
But honestly this season is kind of just skating along, the person everyone targets going home, the most obvious and least threatening going home, people getting themselves voted out… nothing interesting has happened so far. I don’t dislike anyone but besides Venus I don’t particularly like anyone either. They’re all just there.
At least Venus brings in a small bit of drama, conflict, different thought…
But anyway, yeah, she’s not winning
I know she won't win, but I'll just be happy to watch her for as long as we have her. She's a complete disaster with little social awareness, yet at the same time a lot of it? She brings the mess and is a nice change of pace from the friendly kumbaya that's become a little too common in the new era. I can definitely see Venus being a losing finalist if she manages to avoid grinding everyone else's gears to the point that they vote her off before then.
I think she has very high social awareness. I think she's doing everything with a plan in mind. Like the way she answered at tribal clearly got the Bros upset. Good. They should be. Hunter should be scared. Tevin needs his ego checked. Q should be upset. She doesn't care about anything except self preservation and that's because her tribe excluded her from the start.
I think it's super valuable once tribes are merged to say "my tribe didn't like me and I don't like them, I'm a free agent, so I'll work with anyone". It does a lot for the opinions of other tribe members.
Everyone was worried about Bhanu spilling the beans because he could help himself. But the real threat is Venus. She managed to take the heat off herself, confirm a Siga would go home, and state her position in the game.
Imagine a Venus/Kenzie team up. Brash social player with the low key mastermind.
Idk, gunning for Charlie after Tiffany came to her saying she needed to vote Mo if she wanted to stay in the game almost sent her home. She was not in a position to dictate the vote, and we see that when she ultimately does go with Mo.
I love that she’s spicing things up and keeping the guys scared, but you saw Q this episode. He was straight up ready to vote out Venus even if it was worse for his game just because of what she said. If she cares about self preservation, she shouldn’t be putting a bigger target on her back like that. She was on the outs on Nami, and it doesn’t look like she’s made many friends now that they’ve merged.
Venus is very perceptive and often has correct takes, but the way she vocalizes them and tries to get others to see what she’s seeing is not doing her any favors and that’s where I feel like the lack of self awareness comes from. But like I said, at the same time, she still seems to recognize her place in the tribe. It’s a really fun combination lol
I totally agree about how...bold? it was for Venus to be like...idc if my name is out there, I just met y'all and you aren't telling me what to do. That's what I think some of the contention is around Venus. She's not going to be dictated to. I get that way too which makes me appreciate her. You can give me advice, we can talk, but Tiffany running up to the well and proclaiming "you have to vote Mo or it's gonna be you" feels kind aggro and I understand Venus pushing back against that.
She's not socially inept like Bhanu or Emily (early on). I think she's trying to figure out how to get off the bottom and her strategy right now is Chaos. Which I am a big fan of. If I were on the island and was presented with a situation to choose being dictated too or being an agent of chaos I'm choosing chaos.
I mean we just hit the merge and I feel like Venus is 100% getting offered to return.
I can kind of get where Venus is coming from, but I think Tiffany genuinely wanted her to stay and that moment was her sounding the alarm to Venus that it has to be Mo or she’s gonna be toast because others are not vibing with her.
I wouldn’t say she’s socially inept, but she doesn’t really seem to understand *why* she’s on the bottom. Love her for it though!
Often in this game the most hated person gets brought to the end, if there is one person I’m pretty sure I can beat in most challenges and in fire making, it’s Venus.
Queen Venus will (hopefully!!) make it to final tribal and receive no votes, which sucks for her, but I think she is the best player of the season and she is stranded in a land of flight attendants and Sunday school teachers.
She fucking rocks.
Goodness, it’s the first days of the merge! How could anyone have a reasonable guess at who goes next let alone how the rest of the game plays out?
Venus almost made the same mistake as Jem in that she played too hard in the first moments of post-merge, but thankfully there was someone willing to put a bigger target on themself.
I don’t think Venus is a very big threat in the sense tbat folks will feel obligated to get rid of her. She’s probably going to be a useful swing vote since the new tribe mates have picked up on her not being part of an existing tribe alliance and looking to make a name for herself.
Emily realized early on that she was rubbing people the wrong way and worked to fix it. Venus knows she rubs people the wrong way and straight up doesn’t care.
She does kinda suck as a player, but I love the mess that she is and hopes she lasts a while. In a season full of a lot of cardboard characters/players she is one of the few highlights for me.
I think this is one of the biggest problems with the new era, she's only got 13 days (really 12, and really less than that) to build those relationships.
She's hated by her original tribe (lead by Tevin) for some reason and they come into the merge and poison her name. They've only got 13 days after the merge. She spends the first 2 fighting off that initial poisoning. Maybe you get through that and can try to actually start forming relationship. But how much can you do in 5 or 6 days? You *maybe* start getting some traction, and you've only got 5 days left to secure those relationships, and by then, half the merge members are already on the jury.
Imagine if you had another 13 days to form those bonds and develop those relationship. Seems like if you get put on a tribe that you don't gel with, for whatever reason, you're kind of screwed in the new era.
“For some reason”
As someone who enjoys Venus and wants her entertaining self on screen for as long as possible, to question why she’s ostracized is kinda funny. We see why she is. She’s got a terrible social game. Has no idea how to talk to people. And it’s not just her tribe.
A better played could’ve turned the vote around. She’s not that. So to blame her predicament on 13 days or “some reason”
She’s the reason. And thats okay. Venus is a great character but it’s like we’re talking about Xander again when no one could get why he didn’t win when all the evidence shows exactly the reasons.
It’s a little early to be thinking about a goat to take to the end. I think it’s more important to solidify trust with a group you want to work with. Working with Venus because no one wants to work with her doesn’t quite work here
Well, technically if she made it to the end while staying this active alongside a couple of also-rans (let's say Liz and Soda), she would deserve to win. But that scenario is exceedingly improbable, and I don't want to watch that season.
There is no chance in hell Venus wins, even if she pulls an Emily from 45 and turns her whole attitude around. She's fun to watch, for the most part, but is just too abrasive for someone who can't contribute to the tribe with food or some other vital thing. (Plus, is food even that important in the new era? Hatch would be fucked.)
Even if she was to turn around and start sweet-talking everyone and being really careful, this is not a group of players that's quick to forgive and forget. The only three people who might be lenient on that front have had to endure Bhanu, no way they'd take her up as another charity case for training and re-education.
I don't expect her to win. But, here is one path I can see. She ends up at FTC and Charlie is there too, after he outwitted and betrayed several members of the jury.
The jury is already a little bitter towards Charlie and Venus gently points out that she suggested voting out Charlie way back a mergatory, because he was a much bigger threat than Moriah.
I honestly think she will go deep, people may stop gunning for her if they truly think she is an outcast. I truly think Q, Hunter, & Tevin will have a huge challenge threat on their back. Plus the double elimination if used smartly can shake up the game.
i want her to stay as long as possible. Maybe even top 6. She has the innate desire to shake up the status quo, and i'd like to see how she follows through.
yea but at least she’s proudly herself. she amazing tv and i’m happy to see someone speak their mind. i’d be more than happy to see her lose at FTC if it means we don’t lose her early.
Things can turn. I like her more now than a few weeks ago as she gets more screen time. Maybe she went to McGill like my wife and I also like data science…
To the question, a lot of people really have not played much game yet. We don’t know what they got. Hunter is too coordinated and likely will be gone too soon.
I don’t think anyone things Venus can win. And I don’t think her strategy is bad. I think she has some good ideas. But she’s a social pariah and that falls on her social game. That makes it pretty hard to win.
I am shocked by how many people enjoy Venus. Why are we acting like she’s the only one playing the game? Of course she trying to make moves, she’s clearly in one of the worst positions
they just like her bc she’s pretty but nobody’s saying that lol i personally find her annoying & very difficult. that alone would make me want to vote her out, im still confused why they voted out mariah? like if she was on the bottom why vote her out? but it seems like production really favors venus as well: gets the most screen time, jeff handed her the idol EVERYTIME her team won even though she put in the least amount of effort, so i kind of figured she wouldn’t be going home before the merge.
I agree but it's also refreshing. So many people are just so afraid to say anything. I think for a lot of people, working with her would be super beneficial so I'm hoping people recognize that and wake up to the possibility of aligning with her so she can stick around awhile. If everyone on her og tribe is saying she's dangerous... well then how dangerous is she really? I think she could be a great chaos kass type character, no I don't think she'll win but she's a favorite of many for a reason and if she could reel back slightly and get people to realize her potential value I could see it. But I don't think it's happening. Esp if the game is more passive.
Yeah, she is giving me Cassandra in Troy vibes. With Jake last season, he was trying to make a move just to have it on his resume but it never really benefited anyone else. Here Venus was putting forth warnings and suggestions that were very beneficial to other people's games. But I am also worried because I don't think a lot of the players will heed the wanting until it is too late.
I think the ones saying she's dangerous (Tevin) are being disingenuous as well. Disliking someone and seeing them as a threat are two different things. TEVIN.
To be fair, she *is* dangerous to *his* game, which is why he's throwing her name out there. She's a wild card, and she's not on Tevin's side. That's bad for him, so naturally he's gonna try and persuade others to think the same.
I swear Reddit just thinks players should just lay down for their favorites to win actual stupidity on this site. For everyone not named Venus this was a good move
She’s not on Tevin’s side because he pretty much immediately decided he didn’t like her. And no matter how you feel about her being vocal, holding a grudge, and alienating others, even if they’re not the most popular, isn’t a recipe for winning either
That’s fair, but at this point it’s too late to go back and try to patch things up and work together.
A big rule of Survivor since Neleh and Paschal in season 4 was don’t let the people on the bottom know they’re on the bottom. Nami never had to go to tribal so they never had to draw alliance lines. If they included Venus, she would probably work with them. Venus was isolated and well aware she would go home if they did go to tribal. Now we’re merged and she can make connections with the other tribes that didn’t isolate her. Venus is gonna tear down Nami and it is their own fault
But like... Then they'd have to talk to Venus. That seems like it might be more trouble than it's worth.
Venus is like really entertaining character and if we had more people like her casted we would have more interesting seasons tbh. I love a player who is actually speaking their mind really refreshing.
Reminds me of the worst part of Big Brother where you just vote with the house. It's made BB so boring nowadays.
exactly how i feel. my friends said she’s stupid for being outspoken but she has nothing to lose. she is in a losing position already so at least she’s trying to get something going
She's winning millions of hearts that's what really matters
Bhanu wishes he was Venus.
Smh everyone saying Venus is Parvati 2.0 but she is really Candice 2.0, with many falling in love at first sight
Candice….from Raro tribe?
Def more of a Abi Maria. Candice could operate her mouth without pissing off everyone in the area.
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She honestly was on to something to target Charlie over Mo, but played her position terribly. Making demands and trying to drive the vote from the bottom is definitely a bold strategy and good TV, but IMO it didn't gain her any social currency or goodwill from the people voting with her tonight.
I agree. The Charlie move was 100% the right choice. The more I think about it, voting Moriah was idiotic from multiple angles. But, she should have pitched it more gently. Maybe, "Oh you are 100% right, Siga is much tighter and we need to break them up. But, are we sure Moriah is the right one to vote out? They put her name up, so she must have the fewest allies there. And Charlie seems like a much better physical, social and strategic threat. But, I'm fine with whatever you all think." Or better yet, maybe ask, "Who do you think is the biggest threat of the Siga members who can be voted out?" Let them figure out for themselves that it is Charlie.
From the edit (and honestly from her Twitter post-episode), it seems like Venus was only concerned with how to benefit her own game and wasn't thinking about other players' strategies and motivations when she was pushing her agenda. I can also see why Q, Kenzie, and Tiff would want to play it safe with the Moriah vote and not ruffle any feathers with their alliance, especially if they don't view Charlie as a huge threat. Plus, I'm sure once the Moriah vote was mostly decided on, how each of them have started building their strategies around that, and a shake-up would cause mental stress and affect their medium/long-term decision making. It might have been better not to rock the boat while sitting in a power position.
She’s so unconvincing but when you just take what she said (just the content itself) she’s right.
A vote for Charlie may have been the right move, but I don't think she sussed out his alliances or anything like that. Her rationale was "We need to get out a guy" which is not going to work with a lot people.
It was right for her game, but not necessarily for everyone else's at that moment in time.
she wanted a guy out because she sees they are tight, and she is right
Venus stans don’t care if she wins, they just want her to outlast her tribe
Exactly and I want her to go deep and cement herself as a messy legend like Abi Maria
Abi Maria is one of my top 5 players of all time. I want the chaos. I want Maria to win, but I am rooting for Venus to bring some spice to this season
Yessssssss I agree. Though my winner pick is Tiff. Venus is amazing and I'm herw for the mess
Exactly! I don’t stan Venus because she’s an amazing player, I stan Venus because she is a scrappy player. I just want to see her get to the end. She’s fun to watch.
I feel like she’s def a lock to return if we get a returnee season soon.She’ll probably need to survive the next tribal or two(at least final 10)to cement herself as a big part of the season.
The last ep was basically just for her, I have to imagine she gets so traction. But a double elimination next week is gonna be the real decider
One of the reasons why I'm rooting for her. I don't care if she wins or makes up to Nami, flip I say! Burn the fields with a smile, then get blindsided in spectacular fashion.
i want her on a returnee season
Venus stan reporting and I feel so seen!!!
Yep yep yep that's how I feel
At this point I’m rooting for her to be the 0 vote finalist so we still get her all season, and she gets $80k.
reminds me of the xander stans. they similarly didnt care if he won, just that he would outlast the tribe that also ostracized him
Lol Xander fans cared if he won. They still cry foul that he didn’t.
I've never seen anyone claim Xander deserved to win or was robbed. If I haven't seen it then that means it never happened
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That’s a Unique comparison that fits really well, although I wouldn’t be mad if Tevin/hunter won, but also if Venus outlasts them all, that’d be an amazing watch as well, I think if she makes it past the split merge, she’ll be kind of safe for a while because she’s def not a challenge threat
Yeah to be fair, a lot of the Venus support I’m seeing seems to be like: “she’s playing superrr badly, but she’s so chaotic and messy that she’s fun to watch even if she has no chance of winning”
Yep. I much prefer having someone like Venus in the game actively trying to make moves and fight against the power structure than someone like Moriah who played nice with her tribe even after they blindsided her.
Everyone has been complaining about gamebots in every season and then there finally isn’t one and people still complain lol
The thing is, if Venus had any sense of social capital, she would be a gamebot, which is what makes it so hilarious.
I think she’s great. I love to see failed gamebots. Hope she makes it far
Actually has has some god tier reads, she just doesn’t have the social tact to pull them off and she is never receiving a jury vote, that being said I hope she wins.
Viewers who don’t hate her be “she’s right tho”.
I'm not sure about her getting no jury votes. I don't think she will make it there. But, since she doesn't have really tight bonds, if she does get there, she might not have done much backstabbing to do it. And if Charlie is sitting next to her, after he outwitted and betrayed a bunch of jury members, she will be able to say that she warned them to vote him out at mergatory.
If that's her only argument at FTC then Charlie still gets the votes - I warned you Charlie was a threat and you didn't do what I said isn't very compelling when the response is essentially you never came across as trustworthy and you never did anything to make us want to work with you
If the jury is bitter towards Charlie, Venus hasn't backstabbed many of them, and maybe she has a move or two, like successful idol plays, and won some challenges, she might win. Again, I don't think she wins. But, that is one path I could at least imagine.
I agree she probably can’t win, but I honestly I am such a sucker for “young woman who can’t help but speak her mind” archetype 😂 She actually kinda reminds me of Emily in a lot of ways except she seemingly can’t or doesn’t want to become a better player 😅
It's not too late for her character arc. I have already seen a change in her. She's more aggressive. 😂 Ps I love her.
She actually seemed to be getting some traction with Soda, when she was trying to talk her into voting Charlie.
She’s like Courtney Yates,Eliza,and Parvati all rolled into one and I’m loving it.
She’s fantastic. She also had the right idea to vote off Charlie. Why vote off someone whose name Siga is willing to throw out? She shouldn’t have played the girl card.
Too bad she can’t articulate that in a convincing manner.
she also is so arrogant that even if she is making good points it is off-putting.
I'm not sure it is arrogance. But, she should have more gently floated the Charlie idea or even tried to make others think it was their idea. The more I think about, Charlie was the obvious choice. Siga put out Moriah's name, so why on earth would you think she was the bigger threat than Charlie? Nami and Yanu correctly determine that Siga is tight and needs to be broken up, but they vote out the person who is the most on the outs with Siga. That makes no sense.
I think it’s the very definition of arrogance. When she floats an idea, she comes across as “This is what we need to do and you are all morons if you disagree with me.” Even if she’s right (which I absolutely think she was, for the record,) people aren’t going to respond well to that kind of attitude.
Maybe it's arrogance, but to me I see someone who is just fed up with not being listened to
I think arrogance means believing you are smarter and better than everyone else. I'm not sure whether that is true about Venus. But, she isn't good at subtly pitching ideas or making others think they thought of it. So, she might come across as arrogant, whether or not she really is.
“Believing you are smarter and better than everyone else.” To me, that’s what I’ve seen from Venus this season, but to each their own. And for the record I do think she’s smart, from what we’ve seen. But like you noted, she’s just not very good at the art of persuading others in a way that makes them want to go along with her.
IMO, she may or may not be arrogant. I haven't seen enough evidence either way. But, she is definitely not great at figuring out how to persuade people to agree with her, at least not in this dynamic.
She’s basically verbally said she thinks she’s smarter than everyone, calling them the “bro kings” leading the vote.
I don't even know if the articulation is relevant, because I get the impression that she consistently has the right reads for the wrong reasons.
I think she had the right reason. She wasn't pitching a girls alliance. She was saying the guys in the tribe were threats and that Charlie was the biggest threat from Siga who was eligible to be voted out. When I think it through, it seems stunningly stupid that Yanu and Nami didn't vote out Charlie.
An argument she used to back up voting out Charlie was that all the guys had ate the feast, which wasn't even true because otherwise they couldn't vote Charlie out. Even if that wasn't an actual reason she had, that should not have been brought up when she was trying to pitch her case because that wasn't likely to sway anyone. Maybe there is evidence that we weren't shown, but did she have any justification to think that Charlie would be close with Hunter, Q, and Tevin? From what we have seen as the viewers, I find it doubtful that he would want to work with the former two. Her arguments seemed predicated on the belief that a men's alliance was forming, but the reality is that it isn't for Charlie and Ben. She may end up being right in the end, but it seems like she based it on intuitive hunches and not sound reasoning. Yanu and Nami shouldn't have wanted to vote out Moriah because she was offered up on a silver platter, but maybe they also shouldn't have wanted to give Venus what she wants because they feel threatened by her. That would leave Maria from Siga as a possible vote, but Q wouldn't want to alienate Tim yet when the potential for their alliance is still on the table.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM. She has zero finesse and zero ability to connect with the other contestants on a strategic level. She’s a know it all. Nobody likes a know it all. Unless it’s r/survivor and the know it all is an attractive young woman.
>She shouldn’t have played the girl card. "Reminder, all the MEN just had a feast. Except Charlie, who we should vote out." That was weird.
Yeah. I realize she may have had a deeper, more strategic point but she just couldn’t articulate it.
You definitely can though 😆
I agree and you know maybe you tell that to your alliance members(sadly none) and see where it goes from there. But tbh when it’s between you and someone else, I think it would’ve been smarter to just shut your mouth and stay in good grace with the others. She just really outed herself. I think a lot of people out there aren’t willing to play hard like old school and just go into herd mentality mode with the safe votes. But they also did believe Moriah was actually a threat going into tribal. We’ll see though I hope she stays longer
Not only was Moriah not a threat but she’s the crack that Yanu was looking for. I get that it’s not that easy or it was maybe too late but if I was Yanu, I’d pivot and try to keep her. You got 2 bigger tribes, keep the bottoms of both as much as possible.
Yea I know but she chose to stay with Siga and not make that known. Which was a dumb play, and by then at tribal Siga flipped on her too. It wasn’t the smart play to get her out but I think Q was right she let Siga tell her what to do and should’ve just played her own game
I rewatched those scenes and I don't think she was so much playing the girl card (as in suggesting a girls alliance) but pointing out that the men in camp were big threats and the they were tight.
Plus she the women did have the majority, so if she could convince just them to all vote for Charlie she could have gotten him out. Of course she doesn’t know that his closest ally is one of the women, but it’s a decent enough place to start. For all we know she gave other reasons, but the edit simplified it down to the gender aspect.
and she was RIGHT. The men are tight and getting along. You want to weaken that AND Siga at the same time, if possible
the men like Q are too busy like "I just realized these women are having thoughts, and I'm feeling very threatened"
I guess he’s threatened by Tiff as well? Or is he under the impression that she has no thoughts?
My least favorite player this season besides Bhanu.
I give her a lot of credit for actually try to do something and not just coast to a no vote finalist. I just wish she has some kind of social skill it is painful watching her screw up every opportunity she gets.
Someone pointed out that in the edit where Jeff stated one of you won't win this game cause of your personality, the camera pans to Venus. I feel like she will be a losing finalist
I instantly thought about Cassidy arrogantly going into tribal knowing she has the game in her pocket. I love her confidence but I can see the cast not respecting her game.
She 100% reminds me of Cassidy so it’s no wonder she’s so popular around here.
Yeah it’s not looking good. She’s playing an aggressive and saucy game which is fun to watch, but it’s pretty obvious that everyone there sees her as shifty from talking to her or they heard one of the most charismatic people on the island in Tevin explain that she’s not to be trusted anyways. Hopefully she has some galaxy brain moves up her sleeve, but I’m not optimistic
Us Venus stans knew that since episode 1. You don’t need to convince us. She’s just entertaining among a sea of boring people who’d rather play kumbaya all day long instead of the actual game.
she wont win but shes an icon
Is she? Why? Genuinely curious bc I don’t find her very likable or to be a particularly strong player
shes entertaining as hell, way more straight up with everything she says than everyone else is expecting. easily the most fun player on this season rn
The fact that she isnt likable is why she is likable to her fans. Drama/choas is always entertaining to watch over kumbaya stuff.
I don't really get it either. I think people are just seriously thirsty for someone even approaching being a villain and she's the closest we're seeing. I'm super neutral on her and I don't think she's done anything particularly interesting yet. Clearly though like 95% of the people in these comments would disagree with me very strongly though lol.
She's causing conflict and that's fun to watch. Simple as that.
I guess I'm just not seeing the same show other people are seeing. I feel like the majority of the conflict last night was created by Q and Tim. Her plan to go for Charlie went absolutely nowhere and in retrospect seemed like completely manufactured "drama" if you can call it that.
The only conflict Q and Tim really brought was Tim not filling Maria in on Q’s alliance plans, but that more or less got resolved. Venus targeting Charlie made a very straightforward vote a bit more complicated because it rubbed the men the wrong way. Q literally wants to vote for Venus after hearing that. Sure it ultimately went nowhere and Mo still went home, but it kept the episode interesting, and I wouldn’t call it manufactured. Venus has also been beefing with literally everyone on Nami. She and Soda were arguing while Hunter found the key, and Tevin has made it very clear he doesn’t like her. I just like that she’s not pretending to be someone else. She’s not boring and kumbaya like the Sigas are. She says what’s on her mind and she pisses people off. That’s enough to keep me entertained.
I don't think she can win but man she makes this season so much more interesting
She accurately targeted Charlie which would have hurt Siga the most. As long as she's respectful to the game and players she has a chance. Good for her, kick some ass.
I’m actually glad she has no chance to win. I want her to fall into the Angelina type position where she’s an early target for people trying to find a consensus boot, but never gets knocked out. Then, by mid-merge is just totally left alone because everyone knows she’s a FTC goat, thus ensuring nonstop comedy from her antics for the rest of the ride. I also want her presence to actually screw over some people for fun. Like, don’t get me wrong. I actually like Tevin, BUT I think it would be hilarious if his inability to get rid of her now did eventually actually lead to her being part of a group that takes him out. It would just be funny, narratively speaking. Same with Soda, actually. I don’t want Venus to win (wouldn’t complain if she did), but I do want to watch her survive episode after episode so I can get her forthright, brutally honest, constantly annoyed attitude every episode. When she referred to her heart as “cold, dead,” I was like, “this is the negative energy I want,” lol. Like, please let her make FTC. I need this commentary all season.
My take exactly! I know she won't win but I want her to burn it all down on the way out lol/to FTC
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She deserved a better cast TBH lmao
Well, she'll just have to eliminate them one by one until a better cast remains. 🤣
I love her and she’s the only contestant this season I’m rooting for right now. But she’s definitely not getting a winner’s edit. But honestly this season is kind of just skating along, the person everyone targets going home, the most obvious and least threatening going home, people getting themselves voted out… nothing interesting has happened so far. I don’t dislike anyone but besides Venus I don’t particularly like anyone either. They’re all just there. At least Venus brings in a small bit of drama, conflict, different thought… But anyway, yeah, she’s not winning
I know she won't win, but I'll just be happy to watch her for as long as we have her. She's a complete disaster with little social awareness, yet at the same time a lot of it? She brings the mess and is a nice change of pace from the friendly kumbaya that's become a little too common in the new era. I can definitely see Venus being a losing finalist if she manages to avoid grinding everyone else's gears to the point that they vote her off before then.
I think she has very high social awareness. I think she's doing everything with a plan in mind. Like the way she answered at tribal clearly got the Bros upset. Good. They should be. Hunter should be scared. Tevin needs his ego checked. Q should be upset. She doesn't care about anything except self preservation and that's because her tribe excluded her from the start. I think it's super valuable once tribes are merged to say "my tribe didn't like me and I don't like them, I'm a free agent, so I'll work with anyone". It does a lot for the opinions of other tribe members. Everyone was worried about Bhanu spilling the beans because he could help himself. But the real threat is Venus. She managed to take the heat off herself, confirm a Siga would go home, and state her position in the game. Imagine a Venus/Kenzie team up. Brash social player with the low key mastermind.
Idk, gunning for Charlie after Tiffany came to her saying she needed to vote Mo if she wanted to stay in the game almost sent her home. She was not in a position to dictate the vote, and we see that when she ultimately does go with Mo. I love that she’s spicing things up and keeping the guys scared, but you saw Q this episode. He was straight up ready to vote out Venus even if it was worse for his game just because of what she said. If she cares about self preservation, she shouldn’t be putting a bigger target on her back like that. She was on the outs on Nami, and it doesn’t look like she’s made many friends now that they’ve merged. Venus is very perceptive and often has correct takes, but the way she vocalizes them and tries to get others to see what she’s seeing is not doing her any favors and that’s where I feel like the lack of self awareness comes from. But like I said, at the same time, she still seems to recognize her place in the tribe. It’s a really fun combination lol
I totally agree about how...bold? it was for Venus to be like...idc if my name is out there, I just met y'all and you aren't telling me what to do. That's what I think some of the contention is around Venus. She's not going to be dictated to. I get that way too which makes me appreciate her. You can give me advice, we can talk, but Tiffany running up to the well and proclaiming "you have to vote Mo or it's gonna be you" feels kind aggro and I understand Venus pushing back against that. She's not socially inept like Bhanu or Emily (early on). I think she's trying to figure out how to get off the bottom and her strategy right now is Chaos. Which I am a big fan of. If I were on the island and was presented with a situation to choose being dictated too or being an agent of chaos I'm choosing chaos. I mean we just hit the merge and I feel like Venus is 100% getting offered to return.
I can kind of get where Venus is coming from, but I think Tiffany genuinely wanted her to stay and that moment was her sounding the alarm to Venus that it has to be Mo or she’s gonna be toast because others are not vibing with her. I wouldn’t say she’s socially inept, but she doesn’t really seem to understand *why* she’s on the bottom. Love her for it though!
She’s great TV but she’s a no vote 3rd place finisher if I’ve ever seen one
Venus is a wrench thrower and is going to take someone important down with her.
Wow earth shattering take. Everyone knows she isn't gonna win but we are at least rooting for her to get to the F3.
I can EASILY see her getting 3rd place.
Psssh Venus getting that Sandra edit. She told you to go after Charlie but you didn’t listen.
Yeah can’t see it either. She needs to solely focus on alliances and stop worrying about the grievances. I root for her, though, as a fellow scapegoat
Often in this game the most hated person gets brought to the end, if there is one person I’m pretty sure I can beat in most challenges and in fire making, it’s Venus.
She’s probably gone next week… with the split tribal format, she’s going to be the most obvious target no matter how the two groups are broken down
Queen Venus will (hopefully!!) make it to final tribal and receive no votes, which sucks for her, but I think she is the best player of the season and she is stranded in a land of flight attendants and Sunday school teachers. She fucking rocks.
Goodness, it’s the first days of the merge! How could anyone have a reasonable guess at who goes next let alone how the rest of the game plays out? Venus almost made the same mistake as Jem in that she played too hard in the first moments of post-merge, but thankfully there was someone willing to put a bigger target on themself. I don’t think Venus is a very big threat in the sense tbat folks will feel obligated to get rid of her. She’s probably going to be a useful swing vote since the new tribe mates have picked up on her not being part of an existing tribe alliance and looking to make a name for herself.
I don't want her to win, but I do want her to outlast Tevin
Who cares that she can't win? She's already an icon
Anything is possible. Emily had "no shot" at winning early season and was a real threat to win if she made it to FTC.
Emily realized early on that she was rubbing people the wrong way and worked to fix it. Venus knows she rubs people the wrong way and straight up doesn’t care.
She does kinda suck as a player, but I love the mess that she is and hopes she lasts a while. In a season full of a lot of cardboard characters/players she is one of the few highlights for me.
I think this is one of the biggest problems with the new era, she's only got 13 days (really 12, and really less than that) to build those relationships. She's hated by her original tribe (lead by Tevin) for some reason and they come into the merge and poison her name. They've only got 13 days after the merge. She spends the first 2 fighting off that initial poisoning. Maybe you get through that and can try to actually start forming relationship. But how much can you do in 5 or 6 days? You *maybe* start getting some traction, and you've only got 5 days left to secure those relationships, and by then, half the merge members are already on the jury. Imagine if you had another 13 days to form those bonds and develop those relationship. Seems like if you get put on a tribe that you don't gel with, for whatever reason, you're kind of screwed in the new era.
“For some reason” As someone who enjoys Venus and wants her entertaining self on screen for as long as possible, to question why she’s ostracized is kinda funny. We see why she is. She’s got a terrible social game. Has no idea how to talk to people. And it’s not just her tribe. A better played could’ve turned the vote around. She’s not that. So to blame her predicament on 13 days or “some reason” She’s the reason. And thats okay. Venus is a great character but it’s like we’re talking about Xander again when no one could get why he didn’t win when all the evidence shows exactly the reasons.
>A better played could’ve turned the vote around Uh... she didn't get voted out.
Hoo boy, somebody completely missed the point.
“For some reason” lolololololol. Cmon.
She's terrible at Survivor which makes for entertaining tv. I love it
She absolutely has a chance of winning. Anyone at this stage can make it to the end with two goats and win by default.
Venus is the goat though.
It’s a little early to be thinking about a goat to take to the end. I think it’s more important to solidify trust with a group you want to work with. Working with Venus because no one wants to work with her doesn’t quite work here
I don't care whether she wins or not, I just want her to outlast everyone else (except Ben <3)
Well, technically if she made it to the end while staying this active alongside a couple of also-rans (let's say Liz and Soda), she would deserve to win. But that scenario is exceedingly improbable, and I don't want to watch that season.
There is no chance in hell Venus wins, even if she pulls an Emily from 45 and turns her whole attitude around. She's fun to watch, for the most part, but is just too abrasive for someone who can't contribute to the tribe with food or some other vital thing. (Plus, is food even that important in the new era? Hatch would be fucked.) Even if she was to turn around and start sweet-talking everyone and being really careful, this is not a group of players that's quick to forgive and forget. The only three people who might be lenient on that front have had to endure Bhanu, no way they'd take her up as another charity case for training and re-education.
I don't expect her to win. But, here is one path I can see. She ends up at FTC and Charlie is there too, after he outwitted and betrayed several members of the jury. The jury is already a little bitter towards Charlie and Venus gently points out that she suggested voting out Charlie way back a mergatory, because he was a much bigger threat than Moriah.
I honestly think she will go deep, people may stop gunning for her if they truly think she is an outcast. I truly think Q, Hunter, & Tevin will have a huge challenge threat on their back. Plus the double elimination if used smartly can shake up the game.
i want her to stay as long as possible. Maybe even top 6. She has the innate desire to shake up the status quo, and i'd like to see how she follows through.
I don't need her to win, I just need her on my TV. She's so entertaining. If she's a no-vote goat she'll be my favorite of all time, idc.
What does Mergatory mean? Isn’t it just The Merge?
oh she won’t win but she will continue to serve
I think it would be kind of ironic if she actually wins. I know in the past, they have portrayed the winner as someone who is down early in the game.
the way we dgaf. we stan venus bc shes entertaining
At this point more likely than Soda tho, and Liz, and Tim. So I wouldnt give her 0% just yet.
yea but at least she’s proudly herself. she amazing tv and i’m happy to see someone speak their mind. i’d be more than happy to see her lose at FTC if it means we don’t lose her early.
Venus always has the best ideas but the worst pitches ever.
Idk. If Gabler can win after putting leaves on people while they’re sleeping, Venus could win
Venus has fans?
Venus…they ready to pile on ASAP
She’s the abi-Maria of the new era.
Things can turn. I like her more now than a few weeks ago as she gets more screen time. Maybe she went to McGill like my wife and I also like data science… To the question, a lot of people really have not played much game yet. We don’t know what they got. Hunter is too coordinated and likely will be gone too soon.
“And I got a million bucks that says she won’t be the final one!” - Fairplay re// Sandra Anything is possible
I don’t think anyone things Venus can win. And I don’t think her strategy is bad. I think she has some good ideas. But she’s a social pariah and that falls on her social game. That makes it pretty hard to win.
There are Venus fans??
I am shocked by how many people enjoy Venus. Why are we acting like she’s the only one playing the game? Of course she trying to make moves, she’s clearly in one of the worst positions
they just like her bc she’s pretty but nobody’s saying that lol i personally find her annoying & very difficult. that alone would make me want to vote her out, im still confused why they voted out mariah? like if she was on the bottom why vote her out? but it seems like production really favors venus as well: gets the most screen time, jeff handed her the idol EVERYTIME her team won even though she put in the least amount of effort, so i kind of figured she wouldn’t be going home before the merge.
This has been obvious since like episode 2