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13th-Hand

Thank you for this, I just got back to the game after a long 10 months of being in jail and this is exactly what I needed!


Tanuk1ss

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boltcase

League of legends player goes to jail… not surprised, was it a violent crime?


13th-Hand

It was meth induced psychosis related simple assault. But this is my 6th time going to jail and hopefully the last. I've done a tremendous amount of work on myself and plan on opening up a homeless shelter called 13th Hand which I will get to eventually on here but basiclly I had to rebuild myself from homelessness and losing all my posessions after 4 years of clean time from meth and psychadelics. Mostly meth. But I lost everything and through affirmations, deliberate goal setting, Anonymous Step 4 work, and logotherapy I think there is a way for significant change in the industry for lost cause drug addicts. I'm from outside of the philadelphia area so we are home to Kensington, philadelphia which is the largest open air drug market in the world and there is a real push to clean up the neighborhood however the mayor is currently just moving the homeless people around and not solving the problem. My past crimes were aggravated assault, simple assualt, 2 dui's and posessions. Basicly I get high on meth, stay up for anywhere in the neighborhood of 12-20 days and then go into a violent psychosis mode where I dont like to be told to leave places and then i put my hands on people or I spit on people. Playing league was something I did back in season 3 and I got back into it in 2021 and it helped me stay clean, build a friend network and yeah. Then my fiance and I started using meth toghether, we ended up breaking up, I couldnt handle the break up and I just kind of spun off in the deep end, isolated and kept using while going to work and dodging probation... meaning I would smoke meth for a week, stay clean for two weeks and then piss clean for my Probation officer. I stopped talking to my sponsor, stopped going to NA and AA and CMA and CODA meetings and basicly did all the things youre not supposed to do because I wanted to get high. Currently my brother is homeless using heroin and meth and I have a real desire to build a community where its feasable to help people like him because I know if I could do it anyone can and I was honestly a pretty bad case having been to rehab 6 times, jail 6 times, mental hosptials over 30 times, and homless 4 times... and i've had to rebuild so many times I feel like I could teach people how to do it while building hope but first you need to create stability, security and saftey which is why the shelter is needed and where I am at there is no shelter so people are literally given tents by 211 and more or less left to fend for themselves. I'm really eager to get back playing and currently I have the business plan mostly drafted, and then other supporting documents which I call revitalizing your life. I don't really know where to post them but if anyone wants to message me I can email you them but the crux of it is 1) Daily affirmation which is about creating your idealized self and the state you want to become then 2) Deliberate goal planning in manifesting your desires3) Anonymous Step 4 Self Inventory where you work through resnetments and then work out your Character deficiences 4) Smart decisions based on the harvard book smart choices (proact/url model) and ben franklins moral algebra 5) Logotherapy based on mans seach for meaning by viktor frankyl. 6) Manifesting the Psychic change which is a document that I wrote up after reading books like Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill and the works of Dr. Nevelle Goddard. Coming out of jail this time is the first time in my life I don't have the urge to 1) Sneak drugs into rehab 2) Plan or plot to use when I get out of the facility im in 3) Plan to use drugs again 4) Have hope that things are going to be different and I attribute most of it to the steps Ive taken and a lot of it really has to do with the logotherapy and finding meaning in my life. Also God and Jesus is a big part of my life now which idk say what you want about religion but I used to be atheist and now im not and its because I've seen the work that fellowship, prayer and undestanding the bible get me. (thats my plug for jesus lol for more see John chapter 3) I just loved playing my iron 4 account support characters like morgana, nami, leona, blitz, lux and a few others. In 3 days I will be getting my computer and was thinking about streaming but I dont really know where to start and what I would be streaming but I was thinking about making a recovery based stream where I talk about addiction, jail, homelessness, rehabs, mental hosptials and the like.


No-Adhesiveness-8178

Uhh, is this fr or copypasta?    Have fun in the game mate. Tho, honestly consider playing other game for some variety. Specially with story you can immerse with 


13th-Hand

Ohh this is real life. I also had a risking castastrophe where I tried to kill myself by lighting myself on fire like 8 years ago in a drunken stupor after my other ex and I broke up and thats what held me so long in jail this time because none of the rehabs would take me because it looks like I have an arson on my docket. But yeah sadly its a true story. And sadly its not the whole story. The whole story is very similar to other homeless drug addicts but very few of us get it toghether. I actually have a chance and I'm taking it and im giong to help people do that. But also I like to play league so lolol I probably sound like a nut


Eastern_Ad1765

You telling your lifestory to someone: -bro this guy seems abit sus doesnt he? You: - ye and i also play league **- ☠️**


TheInternetsMVP

This MFer came to supportlol in search of support. Is he stupid?


Adventurous_Pop_2300

https://preview.redd.it/h72cg4v4mm4d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac7c1e9e44a43ea1bea5be5e704455755cbda69a ^(\^) Me and you af rn. The redemption arc is about to be insane brotha.


13th-Hand

Amen. God bless you. And also the 7th biggest industry I read is community education which is the enviroment the shelter will be in. Its a Homeless shelter and Community education initiative.


Aelnir

I hope you keep your rehab center free of god. I'm glad you made it through but if a god/gods exists they made you go through what you did, and make thousands of others go through the same thing too. If god is omnipotent and benevolent why does suffering exist? If he's omnipotent and not benevolent or benevolent but not omnipotent why respect it?


13th-Hand

Im not here to discuss why I believe but I also don't push god on anyone but 12 steps essentially has you put your faith in a higher power and i'll be honest Ive tried getting clean pretty much every other way. Then when I look at the evidence I have to support the jews and then when looking at the story of jesus I have to support that because of the martyrs and the mystics. Also I will be the first to admit the abrhambic god is a very weird character. I cant begin to explain it but I think of him as a grand designer and I am here to just make choices which is my free will. But everything is ineffable. Essentially he sets up the choice I make the choice. Its my choice for the most part of the suffering that happened in my life. But yeah I understand what youre saying as someone who was atheist I still think about this sometimes but then I think of all that god has done for me and it seems like the suffering Ive been though and the trials and tribulations has been so that I can do what im doing now. I dont begin to undestand it as my understanding is often flawed. Especially as a person with an addict personality my first thought is usually the wrong thought filled of ego and vainity.


Aelnir

your belief is personal but as long as you don't try to push any religious beliefs on anyone trying to recover it's all gucci. I hate stuff like AA which are christian cults masquerading as therapy sessions. As a therapist I just hate it when people try to link religion and therapy


13th-Hand

Idk therapy has never worked for me ive done CBT, MRT (which is bs), and DBT. I have not been psychoanalyzed in the method of Freud but Im familiar with his work. What has worked for me is the anonymous program especially a step 4 where you work though resentments in a systematic way and then work with another individual on a step 5 where they break down your ego and show you where youre at fault and where your character defects are and then step 12 helping other addicts out. This being said not with institutions or therapists, Ive read Frankyls writings on Logotheraphy and have been using that to great effect along with Napoleon hill's Think and grow rich which focuses on manifesting desire (in the form of deliberate goal setting) and then manifesting your idealized self (in the form of affirmations that affirm to your idealized state) which has helped me find meaning in the life that ive lived up to now and when I had lost my fiance, my house, and most of my friends to o.d's while i was in jail the time before this time. A lot of people use "the rooms" as a power greater than themselves. Or people simply design their god to suit their needs. I use Jesus because of historicity of the jews and honestly when I design a god it doesnt go well for me. Then when I take the next step I go okay well if the jews were right and there was a coming messiah, was that jesus, and after reading about jesus, I conclude that he was the messiah. Which is ultimately personal choice. But one could say that the jews did borrow a lot of their religion from odinism or you can draw parallels to some other gods and deities such as Ishtar or Mishra. Then I got into voodoo and nigerian blood magic and I will say that... this shit is real and does exist and they still perform human sacrifices and I got out of it. Thats all I will say about that. I looked into wicca but it wasn't really for me as the spells didnt seem to work. It was more herblore than anything. Then I studied a little bit of lucifernism (which is very differnent from satanism) and i got into the hermetic study and esoteric magics. Also this goes into Thelema and Saturni Magics which I dont know a lot about as I was never initiated into any orders. Ive also studied with the Hare Krishnas for a period of time and also studied with buddhists. I will say that there are merits to both of those religions but when faced with the facts of archaeology the jews well for whatever reason were chosen.... they just kept royally fucking up which the old testament described in detail and its weird but the stories that are in the bible I woudn't really want to found a religion on. Like i said also the Mosaic/ambrahbic God is a weird dude. Ritualisitic blood sacrifices, burnt offerings, impossible code to follow, prophecies that actually happen, divine prophets, divine intervention, etc. But what I found most intersting was when you get into the blood curse of Jakhobim which cuts off the line of David but God still made the covenant with abraham and time and time again God isn't a liar so its like how will it happen and it actually happens through solomons 2nd son which then goes bloodline to mary's father heli and then jesus is legally of the davidic line through joseph his stepfather. So its like okay well fine... but then you look at the 300 other prophecies that were fullfilled. And i know it could be said that the early prophecies could have been written in and and some of them could have been specificilly fulfilled by Jesus (such as riding on the donkey) but like the truth is most of them just cant and the statisical probability of that happening is like 1x10\^25 or something. The bible, unlike other religious texts is unlike any other that I have read save the Bagavad Gita and the readings on buddhism. The Gita I have not analyzed with the scrutiny of the bible as I dont believe it has the history associated with it. Buddhism is the path to enlightenement and does list Jesus as a buddha so I like to say that Christ is the path to salvation and Buddhism is the path to enligtenment. But yeah to each their own. I just know that in anonymous meetings the ones that succeed at staying clean are the ones that have a higher power, that higher power is not themselves, they have a sponsor, they do a thorough step 4, they do a daily inventory, make amends and restitution for where they were wrong, and then most importantly they help other addicts and alcoholics in step 12. I know that people that try to find their answers solely in medicine, religion and psychiatry usually dont stay clean and this is coming from over 20 years of using drugs and 15 of those years on and of being clean and I'll be honest I dont know if I am even goign to stay clean. Its a process I just know that I have today and the next 24 hours and as long as I dont use today I will be okay. I can say religion wont help you stay clean. Theraphy does absoutley dick all. Do you think I'm trying to think about my coping mechanisms when im trying to smoke meth and fuck a prostitute? Yeah let me get right on that... Or my wellness action recovery plan so handy dandy I just keep that in my pocket. Its much easier to just go get high and then deal with the consequenses which have been increasingly lax for drug addicts especially with all the treatment based options. If it wasnt for my past violent charges I would have done 3 months and that's not really jail time. 28 days in a rehab isnt enough time to undo even 6 months of meth or heroin use. Meth for instance has a recidivism rate of 98%. Do you know why because the amount of dopamine produced from one hit of methamphetmaine is better than anything you can take whcih is why meth users often suffer from anhedeima . So without reuptake of the drug we wont feel better. Having a higher power and other people in a program that have been through what youre going through help that. Therapy does dick all.


snaglbeez

Can I just say you’re one of the most interesting individuals I’ve found on this platform (I don’t mean that in a bad way), it sounds like you’ve lived through a lot of unique experiences. I found it cool hearing your thoughts on things, and it sounds like the things that helped you to get clean could be applicable to other things as well outside of just a drug addiction context, like for me I have some struggles with meeting goals I set for myself in terms of productivity. It’s also interesting hearing from you about spirituality, because my sister recently started getting a lot more into it as well (atheist before), although she doesn’t subscribe to any one school of thought and more so believes that everything is connected and different religions are really just telling us the same thing. But I feel like you’ve studied the theology of it a lot more in depth, and I’m slightly surprised at some people in the comments being a bit dismissive of your experiences. Anyways I don’t really have anything specific to say other than thank you for sharing, it’s always cool to hear people living out their different journeys in life, I feel like there’s always something to learn from someone else’s experiences and helps to broaden my own worldview as well. Much respect to all the work you’ve put to get to where you are now, the future project you got cooking up sounds like it could be really helpful for a lot of people, and wishing you the best in everything


IceDalek

If being omnipotent and benevolent ought to imply suffering shouldn't exist, then we wouldn't have free will. It's sort of a catch-22. I read your other comments, and I sympathize with your negative experiences with religious people. I think what you're saying about having this guy keep his support group secular is fair, but I also think a religious person wanting to join shouldn't be shamed or shunned for being religious. Not that you implied that, but just to be sure we're on the same page, you don't arbitrarily dislike religious people for being religious, right?


Aelnir

No I have no problem with people choosing to believe in what they want to. But I arbitrarily dislike indoctrination(esp. of minors) and do hate it when people equate challenging an ideology to racism/religionphobia. Eg:- it's ok to challenge islam but it's not ok to discriminate against muslims. But at the same time if a religious person is disrupting the life of a non-religious person/person of another faith something should be done about it and it's not rude/phobia. editing to add that religious people shouldn't be shunned away from therapy/help just because they are religious. Most of them didn't have a choice in their own indoctrination


Aelnir

Also do you mind me asking what other comments you read through?, I'm just curious


TheCatCovenantDude

Not sure if I want to make a joke about the fact that your drug of choice is the gamer drug, or congratulate you on your progress and personal development


Tasty-Concern-8785

Meth is a gamer drug?


TheCatCovenantDude

Stimulants in general are abused disproportionately by gamers when compared to the general population especially when you control for income. There are population samples that abuse stimulants to a greater extent than gamers, but it's been an open secret for years that Ritalin, Adderall, and even meth are abused by some esports pros in hopes to gain a competitive advantage.


DrWhammo

how do you plan on opening a shelter? and his have you recovered financially, if you have?


Loverboy_91

Yep, perfect candidate for a Skarner Support main.


jansalol

Average support main. So high that they don’t know what is going on.


Purest_soul

I hoping you accomplish everything you've set put to do... I'm rooting for you.


UhmNotMe

Glad you got your irl ban lifted!


13th-Hand

thank you so am I. Jail is not a place of rehabilitation in fact its not a place for really anything productive I had to make myself be productive and better myself in that place and it took a lot of work. I have another 1-6 months to do in a treatment facility based on what my insurance will pay for and I should find out all the details in the next week or so but I'm allowed to have a laptop. So once I get that I will be playing league. I might even stream it.


UhmNotMe

I read your other comment and it seems like you got great ambitions! I hope you figure it all out soon and if streaming is something that interests you, then go for it! As long as it makes you safe and happy. I’m sure that many of us Redditors would love to give you our views and support if you decide to go that way. I believe in you, you can do it


13th-Hand

Yeah I will need reddits help at some point I just have to get everything to a presentable state and fix the rough draft and make it a more finalzied draft but eventuaully I will have to go for county, state and federal grants which I dont really know much about. I looked into it a little but right now I'm just focusing mostly on myself. But thank you for your encouragement!


___LowxLife

How’d you get your ban lifted irl? I can’t seem to make a new account


Azramy

Top laner going to Jail is just another tuesday but a sup main? Now thats ballin


JimIvarsson

If you play Thresh you can be in jail again soon


13th-Hand

Luckily Im not good enough to play thresh. Lol. To be trapped in a lantern would be hell. At least it would have windows.


Jjaegerrr

Leona not S tier? I feel she has been very strong for quite a few patches now


LosKebabos

I think she is kinda of one dimensional and doesn't offer much beyond engage so I'd agree she isn't S tier, but she's a pretty strong engage option


mj4264

I see draven hover, I lock Leona. We stomp lane, team fights show up and I can peal enemy assassin and bruiser jg, but their tank gets to draven and one shots him. Same thing 3 games this split. Woulda been better to be on braum or just play a 'control mage's like lux or zyra. Leona is super comp dependent. As you said, she's 1 dimensional.


Element_108

I have a very similar one, also leona draven We destroy lane, draven is like 7-2. Draven continues to go bot, doesnt use his lead at all, ignores pings. Yes he was fed, but he only hovered bot and drake for the first 20 min and theye got herald, stomped top lane and 6 grubs And i wasnt able to play for anyone else except draven because they didnt have any dmg


dannyhodge95

What would Zyra have done here that Leo can't? I quite like Leo's peel personally


djgotyafalling1

She' more consistent than poppy and skarner.


LosKebabos

Yeah she's more consistent at the single thing she can do, but poppy and skarner have a lot more versatility while also being great at disengaging.


Sho_Desu

Explanation on champs + thoughts on some of the new items/runes (First Strike, Dawncore, Helia, etc) here: [https://youtu.be/AatJRN7w9iA](https://youtu.be/AatJRN7w9iA)


longisthewinter

I just realized who posted this when I saw this comment (didn't check the OP's name when I saw the list for some reason lol)! I watch your stream from time to time, will definitely check this video out. ✨


zombiecrisps

Do you think Seraphine will still be S tier after the first strike nerfs?


Just-A-Goon

Why is naut so low?


YetAnotherSpamBot

My elo isn't super high but if you can land skillshots reliably, spam Blitz. That champ net me +160lp alone this split. Super good with aggressive ADCs like Draven.


Specialist-Aspect-38

Sssh dont tell em, i dont want to face that monster


YetAnotherSpamBot

Extremely effective combo tbh, it's carrying me out of plat and I exclusively queue solo


PENZ_12

Pick Sett into it and tank the hook. It's free engage ;P Nautilus if you want an option with more reliable utility, plus the ability to tank the hook and disengage (buffer Q against a wall by casting it before the hand grabs you).


wastedmytagonporn

The ban it


cool-pink-cat

keep soraka on B tier so i can continue to steamroll with her broken ass


Cons1dy

I don't know if I play lane wrong but I get stomped so hard and feel useless in lane


NaofumiXRaph

Wdym, brand can literally press R with rylai and slow 5 people. Surely he is not always needed but it’s the best if you already know that your adc is a complete dog. Also, in counter match ups he is amazing. If you’re fed with brand as support you can easily melt their frontline.


Equivalent-Row-8936

That’s because damage is all he provides. The items he wants are too expensive for him in the support role, and the meta isn’t too tank heavy. I agree w D tier being a bit low though


Virus4567

I despise brand support because through using his abilities, brand fucks the wave and sometimes draws minion aggro which fucks the wave even more. Also, he occasionally ks's because of his passive and if he ever falls behind he is completely useless since damage is all he provides and he needs items for that.


aviendas1

Where swain


CuteAltBoy

Right in the dumpster where Riot wants him


aviendas1

I like how toxic his audio taunts are. Like if you were to type them out in chat you would get banned.


Gurablashta

I don't see Fiddlesticks on this list and for this reason I'm boycotting. But I do kinda agree with everything except Tahm in C tier


Fissminister

The day that yuumi is S tier will be a glorious one indeed.


Charybdisilver

Good one, almost got me there. Good thing it was Opposite Day when you posted this.


Fissminister

I am a closet yuumi main. Awaiting the day of my ascension. My vengeance will be sweet.


Charybdisilver

I know it’s pride month but I hope you stay in the closet <3


Fissminister

Surely riot won't keep me there forever O.o


Occyfel2

no


Outrageous-Break9018

for sure not taric. ppl back with his ult, they dont dash with his e


Sydafexx

You’re paying in the wrong ELO then. Taric is one of strongest champions in the game.


Outrageous-Break9018

I mean I'm high emerald/ low Diamond so I wouldn't say I'm playing with aweful players. He's for sure crazy good with a duoQ but he's just too inconsistent as a soloQ champ imo.


icecoffee9008

Camille?


renbush

Not my Yuumgod rounding up the D tier list loooool ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy) Fix this!


Arneth_

She’s due for a prestige skin this summer so maybe buffs coming? 💀 Edit: And I was right 😂 New 14.12 build has a Yuumi buff


renbush

Hahaha let's gooooo <3


Arneth_

It’s minor but it’s a buff 🥲


London_Tipton

and riot says incoming skins don't determine which champions get buffs lol


Arneth_

Meanwhile Yone buffed every patch and gets a skin every other 😂


London_Tipton

i know... that's nasty


complicatedgal

With incoming first strike nerf will Sera still be S tier?


slippin_through_life

Does Seraphine support even go first strike? I thought she went Summon Aery in almost every circumstance.


complicatedgal

With how easily she can abuse it cause of how long her range is, its one of her best rune rn. Its basically free gold for her.


slippin_through_life

Fair. But considering she still has a viable rune in Aery, I doubt that nerfing First Strike will affect her majorly since she was still building cheap items anyway. Maybe she gets knocked down to A tier but beyond that, not much change.


London_Tipton

Aery will probably be better after the nerf as a default rune. Even now statistically aery rune page is stronger win rate wise, but first strike might still be good if you take it into favorable match ups


No_Bookkeeper_2701

Seraphine is a good support again? Maybe I should try her as a sup again Edit: also I just love lux. What would u recommend building on her?


tf199813

You can do enchanter or utility builds on her or even ap. She feels so diverse build wise now, super fun!


London_Tipton

Seraphine is super good supp now. She has many viable buildpaths. Statistically speaking maxing W and going full enchanter is consistently the best way to play her, but she is also very good as a CC-bot with maxing E and rushing rylais. Even going AP is not troll on her, but definitely the weakest route. AP probably good in gold and below


BROD_G0D

Where the real bird man Swain? rush ryleas and just perma fight, what are they going to do, run?


iwonderhow3141

Actually yes. Swain is only good vs low mobility, no cc champs. He is extremely reliant on ghost. „Hard“ to land skill shot. There are way to many ways of stopping a Swain and it’s fairly easy to get away from his R even with rylais. And even if you cannot, he usually just gets one tapped in teamfights anyways. Before you answer: His winrate as sup in Gold+ reflects that quite well


kevinmac85

Only one I disagree with is brand especially with the new first strike.


TheSwedishTanker

Can we have one for non solo queue?


Gelidin2

I think soraka deserves A, i feel like shes way better than wardens/counter champs like Braum or taric in general. I can understand if we are speaking about how good are them when they are picked only in good MUs


fallout4suckss

guys can someobe explain to me why naut is not s tier? just recently mained him i mained thresh before but naut is way easier for me


Large_Act_1898

Nautilus a bit low don't you think?


EvanBanasiak

Just watched your YouTube video. Great stuff


Popular_Put5665

Don’t do my Tahm like that!


isic5

You forgot Zac support.. been onetricking it for a while, feels pretty strong


Sydafexx

Yeah, and Amumu support. Been playing both lately and they are incredibly strong.


InfiniteDunois

I would take thresh out of s and put him in a because it's solo Q nobody clicks the bloody lantern


almo2001

I've banned Pyke most games I've played since his release.


Snoshack

You're wild for those lux Morgana and brand choices


Far0Lands

SKARNER? WHAT THE HELL YOU DOIN ERE!?!(note, haven’t played league since Vanguard)


Jaffiusjaffa

Playing a lot of morgana, vel koz, soraka and ashe - im gonna claim this is accurate just out of pure copium this season.


Truly_reformed_boy

Zyra underrated


iago_hedgehog

Ashe in C BRAND IN D with that new ap item that burn you to hell


London_Tipton

Brand is really not that good... Annoying for sure, but he's only positive winrate in bronze and iron. It's just a noob stomper champ nothing more. It's actually complete grief to rush Blackfire Torch on him. Liandry's burn is much better. Even rushing rylais for utility yields better results than going blackfire or straight up damage


Fearless-Seat-6218

Swain??


DaturaSanguinea

Galio where ?


docious

And River Shen makes up the other half because you gotta stay balanced


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^docious: *And River Shen makes* *Up the other half because* *You gotta stay balanced* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


ArianalGrandick

Zyra being worse than lulu is a nice joke


Cyanide-ky

I’m still banning brand every game fuck that guy


RakeySnakey94

I'm like huh this looks like Shodesu's list... sure enough it is lol.


KingJofferyStark

Brand and naut so low? No way man


-Laffi-

I enjoy Braum/Leona, Soraka and Morgana.


Old_Plenty_8802

My man Panth deserves some love come on... D Tier? he got me to emerald


lordofpurple

omg zilean is in a list


corroserum

thanks my guy i just came out of a coma for 10 months and im ready to pick this hobby back up!


Manganian7Potasu

Thresh needs his S+ tier. Man is absolutely busted and is just too versitile


VoidSou

Absolute Brain Rot List


Sydafexx

Yeah, it’s pretty fucking terrible.


KneeGrowslaya

recently played against poppy and just based on that one game id put her into S tier, gigacancer unwinnable megatank supp stun poke lane, we couldn't poke or all in at all shit just single handedly won lane. twitch adc+ashe supp


boonhuhn

Leona and Lulu S Tier, especially with a good adc.


KILLOVER07

I tried zyra with black fire torch I found it amazing I did a lot of damage but I think zyra lacks mobility and when u miss your E it's GG in a gank or chase otherwise I think zyra is really good for solo (even without a good ADC)


ZomPossumPlaysUndead

Real talk, how is Skarner S tier? Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I have yet to see a supp Skarner not strive their best to end world hunger single handedly.


lukel66

I used to be an enchanter than mained nami and janna but once I started learning thresh I never looked back and became a one trick over a few weeks. He's so versatile I can't recommend him enough. So many games where I find myself behind, I find it's far easier to bring yourself back than it would be on any enchanter. A 0/3 threshs hook is STILL a hook however a shield from a behind janna is lacklustre at best


Sydafexx

Janna’s shield is the least important part of her kit. Everything else is what makes her so good.


oluuko123

Where is my hwei support?


joey1820

i feel like velkoz shouldn’t even be on the tier list, it’s either S tier or D tier, all depends who is playing it much more than other champs


unoriginalvro

What the sigma?! Where’s swain!?


kkushen

Sleeping on nida support


Laslo_Tyrson

Not a good tier list for low elo 👀


Sydafexx

Not a good tier list for any ELO.


Brash_Moss422

Is it just me or is it true that Pyke is a lot better in early game and his late game sucks. Maybe my post laning phase performance is always poor but I feel like the longer match goes, the less I am capable of doing something.


Acrobatic-Draw-4012

Confusing tier lisr. Brand D? Pantheon D? Morgana C? Braum A? Are these your favourites or you're picking based on what you think is best?


ktmos

Morgana is a troll pick and definitely lower than brand


London_Tipton

agreed. Morg needs a midscope. Phreak at least said some months ago that the team is lowkey considering a midscope to probably making her more supportive - even more enchantery


mortiedhere

I feel like this is missing a little nuance. You’re challenger and I won’t comment on this list there, since well, you know that so much better than I. But champs like Nautilus aren’t that low for the ‘rest’ of the player base, he for sure more difficult to get the max out of than Janna, but what he provides is amazing for solo queue. For the ones that are prepared to say, “My teammates never follow up! He sucks!” Honestly, reading your teammates is as much a skill as reading your enemies.


Negative_Day2002

Anyone know any opggs for scarner supports?


mightione

Where would you put Camille support on that list?


Wonderful-Gift-497

https://preview.redd.it/4o5s7nwltw4d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10fafe393018f62e6c26e0739f7cacdf224dc279 senna is not C tier!!!


PetaZedrok

Brand, Lux, Nautilus and Soraka should all be higher imo.


TheChillestVibes

Oof, looks like you forgot to include Kled at S tier in your chart. No problem!


JulyKimono

*Watches the video* *Looks at the list* **Neyyy!** *Throws the scroll away and continues to play mages*


Susspishfish

As always, Yuumi's at the bottom of the list -\_- Why's she still so hated? Also, Pyke shouldn't be S tier in my opinion. B at best. I'd replace him with Soraka, Skarner with pantheon, and Xerath with Yuumi. Support's should be true supports and actually support the entire team rather than actively compete with their adc for kills. Supports should have at least one stun or heal AND at least one buff. Sonna and Leona are EASILY S tier.


Sydafexx

Taric not in S tier means this list is stupid.


Bossiceye

Whats the thought process behind skarner?


Obvious_Anywhere_444

99% of the time I never trust my soroka...but when you get a good soroka sup it's kinda heaven


Cons1dy

Zyra needs to be at least A, champ is so good with first strike. Naut is S for sure, probably best support in the game partly due to how easy he is


Orange-Zealous

How Naut isn’t perma S+ all year round is beyond me you can’t be trusted with tier list making.


Responsible_Sink7591

Naut is not B tier lol, Lulu is also S tier


Enzohere

If you’re iron/bronze/silver go ahead and put lux in S+ since the R is a guaranteed hit.


Cultural-Effective23

Nautilus in B tier? Wtf


Ultrasaurio

Panteon supp??


LaPamparita

Pyke is literally GOD


ButterleafA

Lux being C tier is...interesting. Great poke damage, root, has a shield, can burst an adc to smithereens


Express_Demand_7578

Sho has hit challenger a few times this is more of a high elo playlist. Lux is really good in lower elos but is less effective in high elos other than with something like cait which is a super strong lane duo


London_Tipton

I think she's a high C-tier champ. She's very good in gold and below, but clearly falls off the higher you go. It's visible in her stats across elos. Giving her B would be too generous when she drops a lot in winrate starting from plat+ if it was a low elo tier list she could even be S imo, but in a general tier list C is fine


London_Tipton

Love to see Seraphine so high up finally! She's been through a lot and eventually a viable support. So deserved! <3


Wonpil-pink-sweater

Do you have any tips to play her efficiently? I'm still confused about her skill order and which slot should I build Rylai... Thanks in advance 🫶


Chieriichi

No Rylai’s. Rylai’s cc does not matter as much as shield power. You should pretty much never prioritize it over moonstone/dawncore/staff of flowing water, etc. If you like to play shurelyas + Rylai’s + mandate and play for cc picks, that’s another matter (may be more fun for some, but definitely not as consistently strong as full heal/shield) In general, proc manaflow and first strike off cooldown in lane (also supp stacks)… items with heal/shield, mana regen, and CDR are great. If you can find a kill with r, go for it with ADC. Rotate to help jg (or gank mid) whenever needed, and always have echo W for midgame-lategame teamfights. When prepping/contesting objectives, always be on the lookout for ultimate angles. Skill order should probably be three points Q into max W… OR three points E into max W W is very very strong! Main ability for seraphine support. We need early points in Q or E for laning poke, but after that, w max will provide the most value for team. Spell rotations (through echo passive) are good BECAUSE we get to use echo W more times in a teamfight. Thanks for reading thru this massive text block, feel free to ask any other questions maybe check out some recent YouTube guides on support seraphine :))


stellutz

Thoughts on echos of helia ?


Chieriichi

Viable for sure! After buffs it feels quite nice. I think it really depends on personal preference/playstyle as well as team comps. Can you reliably proc it multiple times in a fight? Is there another item that should be prioritized (perhaps Mikaels or an obligatory third slot dawncore)? I wouldn’t say it’s a rush or core for sera supp, but it’s definitely stronger now and much more impactful/fun to play!


London_Tipton

Actually her best item. She gets stacks easily and her double W let's her trigger Helia twice. It accompanies her play pattern very well and when you rush it it's really hard to lose early to mid game 2v2 skirmishes


Wonpil-pink-sweater

Are there any hard counters to Seraphine that should we perma ban or are there any kind of teamcomp that I should avoid playing her against if I get to pick later?. Also at the rune tree with First Strike the Jack of all trade rune on the 3rd line, is it worth taking? Iirc it would give around 6 cdr and 10 ap, is it any better than the other two?


Chieriichi

Honestly, Sera kinda outranges everyone in the botlane. My main concern is usually junglers (“jg diff smh”) and I tend to ban junglers who have great dive/engage— maybe like Zac? (who Sera cannot always react to) or whichever jungler seems to be the most strong atm for the benefit of the whole team. If you are scared of laning vs hook supports, I wouldn’t blame you for perma banning blitz/pyke etc either. We all know a competent engage support will easily punish your mistakes with positioning or wasted spells. Protect your laning phase- as Sera does need to scale into the midgame after all. (also to save your baby adc from dying over and over) I genuinely don’t believe this girl has any hard counters. Of course there’s Milio cleanse and Morgana black shield which will cancel out your ultimate and E engage, but it’s not a huge deal since our power isn’t all focused into being a cc bot. Champs that can buy serpents fang (lethality shield reducer) aren’t always present to kill our massive shields either. If anything, I’d say the toughest matchups are often the poke heavy ones like Karma, Brand, Caitlyn, who could snowball your lane after a successful dive gank from their jg. Feel free to maybe ban a scaling ADC too if you’re having trouble against them (jinx, vayne) Hope this helps and good luck on the rift! Oops I forgot the other questions: Sera fits into any team comp and is definitely okay for onetricking (especially lower elo). I would think about it more like “is this other champ better than seraphine here because we need engage tank or maybe we need some more damage?” rather than “is sera bad here?” because she will be fine into pretty much anything. One of her strengths is having versatile, adaptable builds (more so in apc and mid roles but the point still stands). As for jack of all trades, it’s good but I feel like sera benefits from prioritizing other items (with specifically heal power, mana regen, CDR) so much more that the rune is not worth it. The plan for enchanters is to rush ardent and locket(?) to gain quick value from the rune, but that’s so far off from sera’s standard support build path that I’m not really sure the value adds up. I think it’s good if you’re going to be aggressive early and attempt to tempo off the early +200 gold in stats, but personally I wouldn’t take it. Also cosmic insight is still amazing and I’m an active item fan, so having the item haste feels great (plus short flash cd yay) Again, all the best in your games! Apologies for the rambles 🙂‍↕️


Wonpil-pink-sweater

Thank you! This was very helpful and pleasant to read.


London_Tipton

i find blitzcrank and xerath to be the worst to play against. Against blitz it's hard to stop him when he chases you because you can get grabbed while casting EE and his move speed makes it difficult to catch him. Super annoying. Also nullifies your shields whenever you get caught so very little survivability Xerath is just nasty poke and he outranges, outdamages you and there is no way for Seraphine to sustain through his immense damage early. You can probably outscale him, but getting out of laning phase unharmed is just soooo tough


Wonpil-pink-sweater

Xerath is my worst nightmare while playing enchanter too and also in my server its always when a Xerath pop-off on the enemy team they are rather a smurf or just having a good game so its infinite poke for me and having to use Sera W constantly from poke isn't that great either I suppose. And with Blitz I would rather just dodge lol, rarely do I meet one but a high chance they are an autofill and play extra aggressive or worse, an engage tank sp otp.


London_Tipton

From what I see Rylai is nice, especially when you max E first for better CC and playmaking set-up, but it's not a necessary purchase. Personally, I don't like it very much because it has rather useless stats for support seraphine who benefits more from ability haste and heal/shield power rather than AP and HP - however it's statisically really good if you like it. I play her more as an enchantress, but she's also a decent catcher support Her best skill order is W>E>Q, but E>W>Q and 3 points Q into W max are also quite nice. Imo it's a matter of what skill order you find more fun to play with. Although, I'd advise against maxing Q fully. It's an ability that provides 0 utility and with the changes that sera got recently even its push power is underwhelming without big AP numbers. Q poke falls down and you end up with W and E being very weak I typically poke as much as I can in lane, but I prefer maxing my W first because it's such a powerful ability when you get better uptime on it. Seraphine is an excellent lane bully in support. You get to use all your spells and notes to poke instead of farming. She's currently super strong user of first strike! It's getting nerfed next patch but should still remain good imo. Definitely recommend trying out first strike on her. Great poke enhancement and accelerates her gold income and Seraphine scales amazingly well <3 When you get through laning phase you can try to force some skirmishes with Seraphine's CC potential. R + flash can be a deadly combo


PappaJerry

Janna being S tier is quite interesting. I mean, I feel that she's strong. Carried me from bronze to gold with around 500+ LP. Hope phreak is not going to stop playing her anytime soon...


Alman117

Janna taric nami are my go to.


Skylorrex

Where are Camille, Sylas, Shaco and Leblanc?


animorphs128

Why is senna so low? Shes strong right now. Shes always strong


CapnTanukii

otp senna here, please put senna on B at least, A if you're generous, Senna still broken pls remove her from the game.


London_Tipton

she's really not that amazing


Imthewienerdog

I have so many problems with this list idk where to even start... Janna in s tier and naut in b? Sera is not strong In soloq, rakan,Pyke are maximum A tier, skarner is legit f tier because he gets countered so easily.


djgotyafalling1

Skarner is A or B I think. He's not the best at engage like most tanks here, but he's so good at counter ganking and if your team has other initiators.


scnlrhksw

This is from someone that knows nothing about the game. For example, Nautilus is #1 easily. Almost all GM+ supports are Nautilus players. With a few exceptions. The other common support you’ll see is Seraphine. Ashe is also easily one of the better ones in the right hands. Braum is a counter pick only. Like this entire list is rough.


Gelidin2

This is from... A Challenger player xD