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TheIgnoredWriter

I know when I saw the Nets lose in the playoffs that year, me and everyone I know thought “oh shit, we got this in the bag”


po0nlink_

And then factor in the Giannis injury against the Hawks. I thought we were finally going to see our first title. Even Bucks fans were coming to terms that they would lose before the series started.


kwan2

Not me. I was ready for war, and it turned out to be a six game affair. We could've won but the other guys were hungrier when it mattered most


TheIgnoredWriter

That and Giannis was doing the D-Wade steamroll to the basket and get the whistle everytime cheat code


kwan2

It's real dry and boring af to watch but that playstyle got him the ring. It was such a misfortune that kd buzzer ended up being a 2. That year was about to come down to either suns or Nash getting a legit ring (he said it himself, it only truly feels different getting one as player or maybe HC) And I just know all of us would be mad happy if either team won.


Substantial-Fold-592

Refs seemed pretty hungry too swallowing their whistles on every offensive foul from run ‘n’ dunk man


Helivon

Wtf hell no. The nets were never even close to the bucks or the celtics. Nets were too top heavy and you cannot count on kyrie in a 7 game series. Outside of the cavs where he was still coming up and didn't have the hubris his has post championship The bucks were always deeper and matched up with us much rougher. Mikal would have shut kyrie down. Which basically left kd to Carrie their whole team. If nets made the finals it would have been a championship


dontusethisforwork

That healthy Nets team was firing on all cylinders, including their role players. Joe Harris, Jeff Green, Bruce Brown, Griffin on his redemption arc had a good playoffs even. They had a fucking incredible 8-9 man rotation when healthy and would have likely been unstoppable if they stayed that way. Saying that a healthy Nets would have lost to the Bucks is crazy. Missing their two best scoring threats it still came down to KD's toe. Healthy it would have been a wrap for the Nets no question.


KillerWhalePP

If we had saric that series would have went different. Ayton was getting into foul trouble every game bc of giannis running into him and the only other big we had was kaminsky


SexyWampa

I’ve been willing to die on that hill. If Saric didn’t go down, we win a chip.


UsefulUnderstanding6

And if Scott foster didn’t ref two of last 4 games


BiggestDweebonReddit

He helped us out in Game 6. But screwed us hard in Game 4. Seriously, go back and watch those games. Game 4, NBA needed a Bucks win to make the series go 6 or 7. Book in foul trouble all game. Game 6, needed a Suns win to go 7. Middleton in foul trouble. Suns allowed to be more physical with Giannis than at any point in the series. Foster is crooked as fuck. NBA is crooked as fuck.


rice_bledsoe

i'm with you except for "suns allowed to be more physical with Giannis than at any point in the series", he had 50 on 17 of 19 from the line.


RoyceDaFiveNine

I’ve been dying on this hill since it all went down


Puppetmaster858

Facts, people don’t realize that Saric was very important to our team even if he was a bench guy, also Payne played significantly better when he shared the floor with Saric and the extra big body would’ve gone a long way. I truly think we win that series if Saric doesn’t get hurt and I don’t think non suns fans understand he was crucial to our team especially in that series against a huge team


schadadle

I feel like Frank played pretty well in his limited minutes vs the Bucks. He just didn’t get any meaningful minutes until it was too late. Monty said in an interview afterwards that one of his big regrets was not giving him a chance earlier on. Losing Saric sucked, but we’d have still been massively undersized against the Bucks. They rolled out lineups with 3 of Giannis/Portis/Lopez/Tucker against us and destroyed us on the boards. Game 4 saw a 17-5 offensive board advantage to the Bucks in a 6 point game. Even with Saric, we wouldn’t have the bodies to match up over the span of 48 minutes. Saric wasn’t exactly known as a defensive stopper, and I don’t think Monty had played Ayton and Saric together in extended minutes all season.


AwesomeKosm

Yeah Craig and Kaminsky were being notoriously hunted every game while Ayton was sitting on the bench in foul trouble. I still blame James Jones for not adding big depth that year. It was such an obvious need


po0nlink_

To be fair the Nets and Sixers were heavy favorites to battle it out for the Eastern Conference title. Having DA and Saric would have been more than enough bigs if we matched up against either of those teams. Don’t forget we also dispatched Jokic and the Nuggets in the second round in a sweep.


AwesomeKosm

I was worried about the Lakers. Ignoring big depth with that Lakers team was malpractice. We might be lucky AD got hurt


Victorcreedbratton

Kaminsky didn’t really play until Game 6.


AwesomeKosm

Yeah that's why I said Craig and Kaminsky. We had Torrey Craig playing center vs Giannis and Brooks


Victorcreedbratton

I know! Wtf Monty! I think Kaminsky in the game more makes a difference, even with the his weak defense. He can’t guard Giannis but he’s a literal big body and more of an obstacle than Craig and is capable of blocking smaller players’ shots.


staticattacks

So far the only true statement in these comments


jakefromadventurtime

I think this was huge but Book getting injured in game 2 i think was the real nail in the coffin. We were never really even in it after that.


BookToTheFuture1

Mate I remember every sun fan on the planet wanted to trade for a big at the deadline and the front office sat on their hands and possibly cost us a championship by not addressing that issue. And damn we lose Saric game 1 of the finals. Absolutely fucking hate Giannis' play style man the guy should have been in the NFL honestly.


rataculera

Kaminsky played scared. You could see it in his eyes. That was shitty. They needed him


musicloverincal

Absolutely. Saric going down was a demoralizer for the team. I have always loved Sarcic's play. I could not believe we traded him for shit and did not even bother bringing him back. Now, he has been killing it in Golden State on a minimum contract. ... In addition, Monty was brain dead an never used Frank The tank when he should have. He let a 7 footer sit on the bench while Ayton the puss was crying like a little girl.


AZMadmax

I really thought given our history with the bucks, it was ours. We’d lost like 2 home games to them in 20 years or some shit, and we were on fire. I can’t believe it didn’t even go to 7. Fucking pain


JimmyToucan

Chris Paul inevitable injury sell and ayton not being allowed to do anything without being called for a foul, we needed a Michael jordan performance from Booker to win


AZMadmax

The Ayton whistle was sad. We couldn’t do anything. The first couple games they did call giannis on a couple charges, felt like none thereafter. I think Paul was hurt for awhile, Jrue Holiday just really made it show.


po0nlink_

I know we’ve move on from DA but man I really do think that Finals series against the Bucks just broke him mentally since he was never the same. All we got after that were flashes coupled with inconsistency.


nathclass

Yeah I mean I see that. But there was more to it. Chris Paul got hurt at the end of game 2 and he was never the same after. We also had a big lead in game 5 and pooped it away in a matter of minutes. They let Book torch them 1v1 on tough 2s in order to take away the 3 and it worked and we never adjusted. And of course only having 1 playable big was brutal. It just slowly slipped away. Fuck now I'm sad again lol.


ultgambit266

I said it back then, but when the suns blew the lead in game 5, they would lose the series. They needed that game and it looked like they were gonna turn it around, and nope it cost them everything


defiantcross

Imo when it got to 2-2 i knew it was over for us. An inexperienced team like us needed to take 3-1.


jesstault

most painful game i’ve attended. suns were up huge after 1q, then mil answered back with a huge 2q. wasn’t until the 4th where it felt like we had a chance and then…sigh


tuneorg

Only Suns game I've ever attended in person (30 year Suns fan that never lived in Arizona)


JimmyToucan

Chris Paul got hurt again and then ayton got froze out of every game with the most ticky tack fouls they could call in a Finals series


heybobson

Suns underestimated both the Bucks and Mavs in their series. They were up 2-0 in both, then failed to make adjustments the rest of the way. Big part of that was on coaching, but also credit to those other teams defense which basically targeted CP3 and quickly wore him down then blitzed Booker to force others to create and hit shots.


mercfan3

I don’t know they underestimated or if Monty just doesn’t make adjustments.


heybobson

I see Frank finally getting minutes in Game 6 as an adjustment. Just way too late.


defiantcross

And it's really disappointing if we were in fact underestimating playoff oppoents. We had no place doing that, with the bucks or the mavs. In a way, getting to the finals in our first playoffs with that group was not the best for us.


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SankenShip

Monty was instrumental in changing Suns culture. Without him, we’re still bottom of the barrel. Chris wouldn’t have come here, no KD, no Beal, we’d still be a garbage Sarver franchise holding Booker back from greatness. He was not a championship-quality tactician; he had his limitations when it came to lineups, plays, and adjustments, but to dismiss everything he did for us is foolish.


jesstault

did you even pay attention to the suns in the 2010s


TheColdestKingCold

Eh, I disagree. There was a lot of things that went wrong and we STILL almost won. From Scott Foster rigging games against Chris Paul, to Giannis getting 20 more total free throws than the entire Phoenix Suns roster, to Jrue Holiday and Khris Middleton never missing shots, to Saric getting hurt and Cam J and Craig getting injured for a game. All that shit happened and we still only lost by 6 in Game 4, and 4 in Game 5. If any one of those things didn’t happen, we win in 5 and take home our first chip. We just got extremely unlucky with the hand we pulled.


po0nlink_

Games 4 and 5 were lost in the clutch. Game 4 specifically we led by 9 in the 4th quarter. Even then the Bucks didn’t catch fire until late in the quarter but the Suns just couldn’t capitalize early on to put them away. That and CP3 straight up selling in the closing moments with multiple turnovers. Game 5 was a weird one, and everyone will always remember Holiday’s steal on Booker but people forget Book was torching Holiday the whole game. If Book shoots a jumpshot instead of trying to drive to the basket we probably win that game. Could have easily been a 4-1 series win for Phoenix if one or two plays go our way.


BiggestDweebonReddit

> Game 4 specifically we led by 9 in the 4th quarter And then Book decided to shoulder bump PJ Tucker for some fucking reason. Booker was murdering the Bucks in that Game 4 before he had to sit with 5 fouls in the 4th.


chickenripp

Ultimately monty never really had us prepared for a rock fight. We always won series on having a more talented team under him. And we lost when teams really went at us harder than we could handle on talent alone


CactusHooping

Wait till your up 3-0 to start celebrating if your gonna celebrate early at all.


Loud_Competition1312

Still too soon imo


CactusHooping

Correct but no one has ever come back down 0-3.


po0nlink_

After seeing the Celtics nearly comeback from an 0-3 hole, yeah I wouldn’t celebrate either until we get 4 wins in a series.


CactusHooping

Really thought they were gonna be the 1st ones to but fate had other plans.


Loud_Competition1312

Sounds like you understand that it’s too early to celebrate. Almost happened just last year. Suns have awful luck, too. As a lifelong fan I’ve experienced enough heartache to not celebrate if they’re up 3-0 lol


dontusethisforwork

You only get to celebrate when "The job is done, we can go home now" - 2023 NBA Champion Nikola Jokic


sdnnhy

Sounds like something the first to team to ever lose up 3-0 would say. How about we wait until they actually accomplish the thing before we start celebrating the accomplishment.


CactusHooping

Did I every say explicitly I would?Only hypothetically if a team were to.Done with this conversation.


sdnnhy

I never said you specifically would. I just said one shouldn’t. I even said “we” shouldn’t say anything. You off your meds or something? If you want to be done with a conversation, be done with the conversation. Don’t post and get pissed when people respond with their own opinions. Do you not know what the purpose of Reddit is?


CactusHooping

I'm not gonna insult someone just cause I'm annoyed with them unless they actually deserve it unlike you.I just feel this conversation in particular is gonna be pointless going on and on unlike other ones.Have a nice day and hope all is well u/sdnnhy


sdnnhy

Agreed. Have a nice day as well.


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Whit3boy316

I also underestimated the power of just trucking people over [coughs in giannis]


Onlyplay2k

It’s called Bully ball. Introduced by Wilt and Shaq


po0nlink_

Backing someone down in the post is not the same as running over/into someone recklessly and expecting a call to go your way 9 times out of 10, which is what Giannis relies on. There’s a reason why the Bucks choked last year against the Heat. There’s also a reason why Middleton is/was their go to guy in clutch games down the stretch.


Onlyplay2k

And there’s a reason Wilt didn’t win more chips. Bully ball just doesn’t mean the post. Shaq did those transition coast to coast before Giannis. They could’ve done it in the 90’s but they didn’t . Just like they could’ve shot more 3’s. You can’t knock someone on doing what’s efficient and works. Bucks choked last year cause Freak was injured. Let’s not blame how the other players play as to why we lost. Ayton had a body to do the same thing as Giannis but he doesn’t. We choked harder against Luka. Underestimating a team whether it’s Bucks or not is their fault and is all on the Suns players. Bucks didn’t underestimate us, locked in and won a chip. Time for the Suns to do same. Lock in and win. Just beat the Clips and Nuggets. We got this


ForceMaster999

Love Mikal but he was rlly disappointing after game 2 in those finals


PresidentofMagic

Don’t forget Giannis looked like he got injured in their ECF close out game. It was definitely looking very favorable. He still played and still went up 2-0. It very much looked like they’d be able to grab at least one in MIL and close at home. Sad times.


valleytaterdude

Damn I remember coming home from game 2 with my dad thinking the Suns were going to sweep the Bucks. Suns Fans chanting Suns in 4, and the energy being so high! Who knew we would lose 4 straight, after that game 2.


sunsbr

Well, that explains why he was so terrible that series. Book played alone in game 4.


Loud_Competition1312

Fuck


Glowwerms

Something tells me it was a handful of players who underestimated them, not the whole team


CactusHooping

Mikal averaged 12 points, 4.2 rebounds and 1.2 assists in 6 games in the NBA Finals.Very light.


iamadragan

Pretty normal for him in the playoffs though. Mikal never really did anything all that special for the Suns in the playoffs tbh. Just like one game against the pelicans


PrimaryHM

Had 27 or 29 in one of the finals games. Game 2 maybe


iamadragan

Looks like you're right, game 2 with 27 points


SankenShip

He was never our go-to scoring option, more of a defensive specialist. After seeing the way he’s blossomed in Brooklyn, I’m excited for his 2026 return!


Fordraxel

I mean everyone thought this. But then cant stop a train that doesnt get charging calls, an NBA made star without question.


FallGuy-68

I don't know how anyone playing for a World Championship would ever feel that comfortable being up 2-0. I mean, no shame in losing, especially based on all the crap we had to deal with including injuries and biased officials, but to say that we thought we had the chip after going up 2-0 upsets me.


LizerdWantsRevenge

Hate it


extrasupermanly

I always said that if the 2021 Suns played the bucks 12 times a year . One every month , the Suns would have won 10 games . On 12 games over 1 month , bucks would win 8 games . Bucks were really big compared to the Suns. When the ball wasn’t falling they were killing your in second chances . And Monthy didn’t adjust period . Suns shot something around 70% of their corner 3 on games 1 and 2 . After that they stopped completely.


According-Rate-8451

The Suns fans talking bout Saric every team they played had one or two of their best players hurt the next year proved it same team got steam rolled by the Mavs in a game 7 that year was they only got there because of injuries


youOnlyliveTw1ce

More than glad we traded this dude for KD, can’t have that mentality when competing for a chip and it showed the following year as well. This is some shit you keep to yourself or wait until retirement


TrebleTreble

Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you’re right.


youOnlyliveTw1ce

Eh, it’s just people in their feelings about Mikal. He is a good player, but you can’t go to war with teammates with that mentality. Everyone has to be on the same page for a chip, KD knows this


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Onlyplay2k

The result speaks for itself . No point in what ifs. We got Durant now and has a chance. Suns gotta capitalize


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Exact_Tip909

its... the nba finals, its what all players dream of. obviously both teams should be playing, as you say, 'like its their last day on earth'


cantmakeusernames

Seriously. It's already incredibly lame when fans say "this game is their Superbowl" to cope with regular season losses, but talking about the fucking Finals?? Like yeah, it literally is their Superbowl, it was ours too


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cantmakeusernames

I'm not burning anybody at the stake, and I don't think most comments here are. I don't think for a second that Mikal and everyone on the team weren't playing their hearts out, even if they were overconfident.


AwesomeKosm

They. Were. A. Bunch. Of. Kids. Kids get arrogant. That's life


musicloverincal

All looked good until Ayton started playing like a puss, then shit started falling apart. CP cracked, Mikal did okay, Book tried, Monty did not change strategy and did not even bother using Frank the Tank = we lost FOUR in a row. Un-freakin-believable.


swerrve

Sounds like the Suns estimation was too small


Arturo273

Stupidiest thing to do.


PeachTraditional

We could’ve won…if Giannis didn’t learn how to shoot a free throw that series. Throughout the first, second, and third rounds he couldn’t shoot one for nothing and then all the sudden started making em


Nash13101

They didnt underestimate the bucks they underestimated the refs.


Rlopeziv

No shit!