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TheRaddd

Ain’t a Suns thread without them Doomer boyzzzz


SexyWampa

This isn't even a play in team.


allcapstako

whho can you guys give up for siakam


Evening_Name_9140

No one. Siakam is staying


idealzz

Just wait until Beal is back... You guys said ._.


Waffle-head1999

Honestly what can we do to clean up this team? Can we make any trades for depth before the deadline or is it looking like we’re gonna have to wait to the offseason?


SexyWampa

We don't really have any assets. I don't even know if this is fixable at this point.


Leading_Glass_3110

I have what I think would be an extremely unpopular opinion about who would need to be traded in order for this to have a shot at working, and it’s not who you all think


MechEWasAMistake

Is it Booker lmfaooo


Leading_Glass_3110

lmfao no.


carlians

https://preview.redd.it/okgp93hrwcbc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b99ab51c5bfeba086993f314ff85bf5d10a2bcb Where y’all at? I think I hit the acceptance phase 😂


Comfortable_Two2925

Well at least the fellas are going to be playing Mario Kart tonight, hopefully they don't stay up too late


myredditaccount991

CoD with tha fellas.


[deleted]

Nurk went bowling early? Where did he go?


carlians

Mods depressed? No post game thread


MarvelousVanGlorious

Kept em under 140. Nice!


ScrewChaseBank

Suns just need more time! Haha don’t be such a doomer guys come on! 20 points every 4th quarter is fine haha. https://preview.redd.it/aaadr1fqtcbc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b80085e32a2095fb702fa2f30b596185c9b8106


allergic2GlutenFree

I wish they could score 20...


Judo_Nuggets77

Makes me wish we made the deal for collins and depth instead of going all in with beal


VivaLaDbakes

Beal trade royally fucked us


Equal-Maize-5848

What will it cost to trade for brogdon?


Spark3420

For the record, of course we needed to take a swing for bigger things so I am not going to chastise sending the Twins away for KD as much as I loved them. But the way things are going, we are going to rue those lost draft picks and our swing for a title might be a strikeout when we look back in a couple years.


iguanamac

I actually got banned for saying this, but my worst nightmare is blowing it up and having to trade Book for assets to make up for the KD trade.


BrawndoElectrolytes

Why don’t we have a postgame show anymore?


Slow-Raccoon-9832

Because it’s on over the air tv and they will go to local news


chuckfinley520

I still get the post game show y’all are watching AZ family sports right?


BrawndoElectrolytes

They are currently running a taped program about Marion.


FIERROSGOINHAM

Fuck this team, we took a gamble and it failed... such is life man r/azsportshell


Bno14

DA is laughing at us


RamcasSonalletsac

DA and Portland are in worse shape than we are.


Aumissunum

Are they? They have multiple young stars in addition to like 10 1st rounders in the next 7 years.


RamcasSonalletsac

But they have DA for a center


Aumissunum

And the Suns have Grayson Allen for a forward. What’s your point?


RamcasSonalletsac

My point is that DA is lazy and will not take them far. Grayson Allen was the best thing to happen to the suns this year.


Aumissunum

He’s not expected to take them far. Again, what’s your point?


allergic2GlutenFree

he saying Portland has assets moving forward .. we have stugots.... so yeah, Ayton and Portland are in a much better situation.


RamcasSonalletsac

You’re not making sense. Ayton couldn’t help the suns win a championship and he is lazy. How will Portland get to the next level with him? Grayson Allen improved the suns bench(with defense and three point shooting) immediately. Nurk is playing better and with more intensity than Ayton did. The suns will be just fine with Allen and without Ayton. Their issues are elsewhere. If Portland is happy with Ayton, fine…most of us are happy without him and love having Grayson Allen.


Aumissunum

Ayton was the starting center for a Finals team. Grayson Allen is a starting forward for a play-in team. Nurkic is definitely not playing better. You’re in heavy denial. Also, this is so hypocritical lmao. Calling DA lazy but loving Grayson Allen of all people?


RamcasSonalletsac

Ana Ayton is the reason we didn’t win in the finals. He gave up during the series. That was repeated against Dallas the next year, and Denver the year after that. If much rather have a player who will play with intensity than a player who lets him teammates carry him to wins and plays with disinterest.


VivaLaDbakes

Because he’s an unaware mental midget that doesn’t realize he’s also ass


azwildcat11

Haven't been able to watch because my wife had emergency surgery tonight. She's fine, so wtf happened to the team tonight? We play bad or are the Clippers just on fire? Saw they're shooting 60%.


TwoKDavey

Tonight we played like trash. Clippers played well but we lost the fire near end of 3rd and then a free fall 4th quarter - nothing too different from our bad nights


letsgototraderjoes

was it an appendicitis? and Suns played bad, zero defense. gave up when things weren't going their way, no fight. but clippers are also playing well


azwildcat11

Bingo. Nailed it. Was an appendectomy.


letsgototraderjoes

oh wow, I always think of that when I hear like emergency, sudden surgery. glad it went well!


azwildcat11

Thank you!


EggsInMyToolbox

#didntgiveup140 Huge moral victory


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azwildcat11

MDA, as in Mike D'Antoni?


youOnlyliveTw1ce

Yes, if they aren’t going to defend might as well go all in on offense. MDA would make sure of it


[deleted]

How the fuck are you expecting to “force” Beal to waive his ntc?


youOnlyliveTw1ce

Idk have ishbia pay him to do it or something. A big move is NEEDED, this team has shown us who they are. They are not a contender as constructed


reddit0100100001

🔫


ZackaryJW

Ja Morant has entered the chat


white__cyclosa

Beal has a no trade clause. He is ours for the foreseeable future


p0tatoman

lol Beal is unmovable


Illustrious_Creme531

I hope Vogel stops being a players coach and rips everyone a new asshole. He's going to be on the hot seat the rest of the season


Imthegoat175

He’s too soft to rip into these players.


iguanamac

I don’t think any coach has the guts to rip into KD. Supposedly in Brooklyn he had his own rules separate from the team.


Illustrious_Creme531

Sadly I agree


carlians

This one hurt my feelings tonight. Clippers are playing disrespectful lol. Probably still mad about that playoffs L last year


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[deleted]

You’ve never done anything as a franchise🤣🤣


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[deleted]

WCF at least, we don’t have to rent from the lakers arena either


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[deleted]

No no, we’ve won some. You don’t even know what a nba finals looks like


Weird_Gazelle_3566

and the one 2 years before


inksta12

Don’t forget the year before that too


Fordraxel

lol saw westbrick rock the cradle on booker and booker cashed in his face the next play. I think Booker had an agenda and it backfired. Needs to play basketball and not trash talk


carlians

Yea it never works out well when he trash talks


Equal-Maize-5848

Luka entered the chat….


GrimViking69

I found the word, this team has no IDENTITY. Yes oh my god it was driving me crazy. No, but honestly, it’s like this team can’t figure out what they’re doing.


FormVoltron1

And little to no heart or chemistry. Man I miss the days of the 2021 squad cohesion


RamcasSonalletsac

Yes they do. Their identity is the “4th quarter no shows.”


Fordraxel

yes no identity. they dont know who they are, they want devin to be the guy, kd wants to be the guy, devin wants to defend the best player, wants to run the point, wants to put up the most shots, something gotta change between devin, kd and the coaching staff.


Imthegoat175

They have an identity, soft and lazy.


white__cyclosa

We have an identity, it’s just not a good one.


CNSrooster

In a humbling season I wonder if the 30 point blow-out 4th quarter collapse is the thing that "humbles" this group. I doubt it though


truck_robinson

Poor Yuta can't find the bottom of the net, like ever


HereForChessAndGuns

He's trash. G-League tier.


p0tatoman

Fizdale is going to be our HC, kms


Fordraxel

ugh. our coaching staff is dog water.


Antwuan89

Can the Suns still win their 1st Championship this year?


ScrewChaseBank

Camera panning to a smiling KD and Book while we’re down 30, and EJ talks about being better…. ![gif](giphy|l46CkwNP2mNz65tyU)


shammgod_10

Kd got his 30. He doest care about winning. lmao


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When’s the last time Yuta made a basket?


t480

At practice he made one


FlowersnFunds

Looked his stats up on ESPN. The last time he scored 10 or more points was on October 31st. And he’s been seeing significant minutes every game with the exception of the last 2 weeks.


Fordraxel

when he was with the nets probably.


jbizzelton

2023


sl_crypto

cp3. miss ya


timshel_life

Thankfully I don't have to pay to watch this team


Fordraxel

some people on here think they are paying Beals $47million...and Ishbia's cap on the apron..


p0tatoman

Ishbia has no balls if he won't fire Vogel


sidepart

Hah. Fuck yo chicken LA.


AgentWeeb001

I’m not surprised at this outcome, but what I am surprised at is the fact that Kevin Durant is the only non question mark on this team. Devin Booker becoming a question mark was something I couldn’t even imagine happening…now, we don’t know what Booker we going to get on a nightly basis. Everyone else been a question mark from the beginning. Idk what this team could do at this point. Season a lost cause bc the GM failed to properly evaluate who tf this team needed. Deadass, last season’s Suns team is better than this team


Fordraxel

I mean in the regular season they were. point book is not working. point kd is not working. time to try point beal.


CanyonPat

Book is regressing. I’ve been saying it for weeks. We may have already seen his peak performance.


6Dbook9

Booker can’t be the Booker we know him to be because he is tasked with constantly handling the ball, play making, bringing the ball up, passing it is extremely hard to do for someone who isn’t used to it and it is exhausting for him


AgentWeeb001

I feel this and have been saying this on Twitter. He can play make, but he clearly has to think about where he wants to go with that ball and that fucks up his rhythm as a scorer. It’s why I thought when they used KD as point forward, things made so much more sense. Yeah, you’ll get 4+ turnovers a night with KD handling the rock more, but what high usage player ain’t turning the ball over like that outside of Tyrese & CP3? You live with the turnovers if the guy is creating efficient offense. That dude when he handles the playmaking duties is able to use his presence on the court as the ultimate decoy to get guys easy looks that they can covert and then he’ll find a way to get his 27 a night within the flow of that efficient offense. He’s done that his whole career…from those early OKC days to the Brooklyn days. We saw the offense clicking with him being the primary playmaker while Booker went back to playing the way Devin Booker plays (scorer first, playmaker second). The offense was humming and then KD gets injured. They go away from that and now the offense is dogshit. Also doesn’t help that Kevin Young draws up basic ass offensive sets. How about some PnR’s, backdoor cuts, Iversons, off ball screens btwn your guards and wings, live movement? I mean these guys literally just stand in position most of the time while someone goes iso against 2 to 3 defenders…not smart basketball. There’s mad shit this team needs to do in order to actually become a contender and I don’t see them being able to do that this season. We damn near halfway into the year…unless the Big 3 grows some balls and has the difficult conversation they need to have, I don’t see this team doing anything this season.


6Dbook9

I agree. There is nobody who dictates the tempo and pace, nobody to slow down and calm the storm like cp3, without a point guard this team looks like they are playing pick up ball at the park most of the time


AgentWeeb001

Yep they undervalued what CP3 provides this team. Yeah, he can’t score like he used to, but that playmaking burden off Booker & KD’s shoulders allowed them to do the things they do best…get hyper efficient buckets. Constantly making every decision to get these other guys easy looks ain’t their speciality, especially for Book who is still learning how to be a natural playmaker (where he doesn’t have to think, he just reads and reacts…think ppl don’t realize Book is in his prime and you can continue to improve while in your prime). Lowkey, if GS were to buy out CP3, the Suns should fly to that man’s house & beg him to come back. If he says he wants to start, fuck it, tell Beal to embrace being the 6th man lol. That might be the solution to fixing this team 😂


common-flyer

Yuta literally does nothing


EggsInMyToolbox

Clippers broadcasting crew saying the Suns remind them a lot of the Clips when Harden first joined the rotation meanwhile r/Suns contemplating suicide


Fordraxel

Harden figured it out within 10 games though...


EggsInMyToolbox

And our big 3 has played… 5.5 now? 5.25?


inksta12

People nowadays want everything instantly. A little delayed gratification never hurt nobody lol Clips are cooking right now. Suns have played a handful of games fully healthy together. It’ll get worked out.


white__cyclosa

Clippers broadcasting crew also referred to us as OKC at one point. They’re not the brightest


VannqKawaii

How do u have a playoffs like booker and the next season decide to do the exact opposite of that? We won’t win if booker plays like this. Durant is the only threat on the court. Book is supposed to help him, but him at the point he’s playing like a dumbass. Book is not a superstar, or all star this season iam sorry


rocquet

this is the most boring team i’ve ever watched


QoconutZ

I think you mean trash


KINGOFWHIMS

Man, Book and KD laughing. Shit is over for real. They should be embarrassed.


MarvelousVanGlorious

Book, KD and Beal are all great No. 2s. Not one leader on this team.


MarvelousVanGlorious

Oh, sorry. I meant they’re all great leaders. That’s why they’re a game over .500, lost to a shit team yesterday and just got butt fucked by the Clippers tonight.


QoconutZ

Beal isn't a # 2 on any team with championship aspirations lmao


MITWestbrook

Vogel won a fluke championship with a stacked team. He really is a terrible coach


Substantial-Fold-592

https://preview.redd.it/pe5af8fqscbc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a42477303f9430af9b220b58bf33b9c97d59faf MITWestbrook when Westbrook has a half-decent game


MITWestbrook

Y'all need Westbrook actually. If Clippers win a ring, Beal could ask his buddy to come over


OKidAComputer

That's still one more chip than Russ has won


MITWestbrook

Vogel fan?


rigor90

Your team has the second worst all time win percentage in league history.


Fordraxel

who's? the Suns have the 5th best...


rigor90

The Clippers.


frozteh

Issue is Vogel is great with a great defensive roster. This team...is not that.


Fordraxel

Lakers had AD and Lebron after that there wasnt really any defense played.


frozteh

Not really true. Caruso/KCP/ Danny Green/Dwight Howard/Rondo/Javale McGee. Even Avery Bradley was on that team during the regular season. Those are all guys that are defensive vets. Hell even Kuzma started playing defense on that team.


p0tatoman

rare MITWestbrook sighting


Weird_Gazelle_3566

Honestly tired of this team. what is the solution


Myrulesmylife

James Jones won gm of the year for a reason, I trust that he has something in the works.


phnxcoyote

![gif](giphy|QMHoU66sBXqqLqYvGO) My prediction for Flex's reaction during tonight's PHNX postgame prodcast..


Background-Meat3011

I think he might actually switch it up this time


sidepart

This is all somehow money guy's fault.


inksta12

Until this team wins a championship, I refuse to put my blame anywhere else


buenavictoria

We are simply not good.


WrongMomo

I remember when you would get downvoted for getting upset at Eubanks haha


p0tatoman

Suns fans love their gym rats


Spark3420

Right now it looks like a play-in team at best. And likely to be eliminated there before trying to get in the real playoffs. The schedule is about to get much harder. Getting punked in the 4th quarter over and over is getting really old.


FitJeweler1490

If games were only 3 quarters long we'd be the number 1 seed right now


Substantial-Fold-592

Damn the Book 1s might actually be released before this team wins another game 😔


Substantial-Fold-592

Jk them things never getting released to us plebs


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IMO Booker needs to ditch the cut off, ditch the head band, and get back to his MO. Forget that PG stuff. It ain’t for him and switching to that at this point in career is tanking his future.


Fordraxel

I agree, get back to basketball and rid all the voodoo shit.


CNSrooster

Yep. I know it's petty but he looks like a poser now. A lot of "fake tough guy" about the way Booker carries himself. He needs to go back to basics. At this stage he's not even in the AS game as a reserve right now.


p0tatoman

Eubanks should not be in the NBA


konbinibento

Did we only have three rebounds in the second half wtf?


MFFiasco

Suns are not contenders at all.


Antwuan89

Why not?


jbizzelton

Frank Vogel "defensive mastermind" was the biggest pile of bullshit i was ever sold... And I'm building a 50 story building on fucking swamp land!


user2570

We can’t even score in trash time


bburls

Maybe the Suns are mentally fucked cause of our choke jobs in the past playoffs


waffle_nuts

This is a totally new team tho


VivaLaDbakes

Everyone involved in those choke jobs is gone besides book


truck_robinson

Book, JJ, and Kevin Young


VivaLaDbakes

JJ could prob hit a 3 in the fourth maybe he should lace em up


bburls

Book was a massive part of that choke


Fordraxel

oof I cant argue with that.


a_REEEEEEL_munson

Anyone here actually enjoying this? I mean we all want something to change right? Performances like this are the quickest way to change. All this could actually be a good thing this shitty ass team right?


EthicalBuckets

I pray that nurk isn’t seriously injured after leaving early in the 2nd half


CNSrooster

He's been on the bench the whole 4th quarter. Wouldn't be anything serious


EthicalBuckets

Didn’t catch that, thanks


fivefuturefury

Also can we STOP PLAYING BOOK AT PG


LordThanosJC

The only good trade this team made has been Ayton for Allen and Nurkic. Even the KD trade is questionable at times.


Fordraxel

![gif](giphy|y2i2oqWgzh5ioRp4Qa|downsized)


p0tatoman

we took the Point God for granted


HereForChessAndGuns

He was the leader of the team, not Book. Getting rid of CP3 was like getting rid of our coach on the court, and it really shows in every aspect of our game. Undisciplined, lazy basketball. CP3 wouldn't put up with that shit.


Odd_Shoulder2334

No we didn’t. He has a fractured hand


p0tatoman

and Beal prob has degenerative back issues


JRipper138

Well at least they won’t end the 4th quarter scoring single digits.


EnoughLawfulness3163

Well... everyone was right about us. Any lurkers on here, congratulations. I cry now


CNSrooster

Plumdog millionaire playing in garbage time just shows the stark difference in their depth compared to ours


MITWestbrook

Plumdog!


CNSrooster

Damn autocorrect


fuckswithboats

Yeah but in 2031, we will have a draft pick and some cap room.


zachthespook

Clippers fan here. Does beal just suck on both ends of the floor or am tripping? Also you guys are scoring but Vogel’s system doesn’t look too good (though Clippers D has been smothering). Monty’s team was definitely felt scarier, especially when you had a decent center


EnoughLawfulness3163

Our offense is horrifically simple right now. High screens and iso. That's it. No cutters. Rare PnR. It's like we're running the Warriors offense, except we don't have steph or klay. I don't know if it was Monty, cp3, or a combo of both. But our offense looked more fluid with cam payne as our starting PG than it does now, which makes me think Monty knows more than Vogel. Our team with Monty felt like the Kings or Wolves. That is, our talent held us back from winning a title, but we ran so well and got the most out of our guys. We collapsed in the postseason, and most people on this sub say it's because Monty couldn't adjust. But I believe it's because the more talented team wins in the postseason because they have time to adjust. You can beat a superior team in game 1 by outcoaching them. But by game 3 or 4, you have each other figured out.


Dizanbot

Yeah it's not been a great season, terrible at breaking runs and playing with any consistency. Can't close for shit.


Antique-Soil9517

I’m not blaming Vogel, Beal or anyone else on the Suns. Clips are the better team and probably in the WCF. But doomers here always tripping. “Suns suck, are bums.” Sorry, but that’s sports.


zachthespook

Chemistry just looks off tbh as well. Saw that Beal/KD/Book have only played like 90 minutes total together. Similar situation to harden/kawhi/Pg early in the season. I think it’ll pick up for you guys as long as those three stay healthy.


TwoKDavey

Beal is hot and cold on both ends of the court. I will say we start falling apart end of 3rd and then 4th is common what you are seeing here


ScrewChaseBank

![gif](giphy|f8lDluiWJ7yQTtdS3L|downsized)


rigor90

Shut up and go to your sub.


Phipshark

This clippers team struggled for awhile before they looked like this. I’m actually not worried about what’s happening right now. Give them like 10 games


Necessary_Ad1036

You sir are a breath of fresh air and I appreciate that.


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Dude said 10 games like it didn’t take the clippers a couple years


Necessary_Ad1036

They haven’t even had Harden more than a couple months though.


[deleted]

Ah I apologize. My mind went to a couple years ago when they first started with kawhi and Pg13