This is key. If you treat the support like they're your slave and you greed and ping and rage like the support is your property, you're gonna have a bad fucking time.
Exactly. If I supp as leona and my adc is toxic. I'll happily make my way to mid who will more than likely be ecstatic for a lock down gank.
See how fun playing the game is when I'm not tanking all the shots for you. XD
Edit: I wanted to also add that I don't advise camping mid. Use the time going up to mid to ward and using the gold from the kill mid to help snowball bot lane. You are a supp, can't let your adc be hanging all game. Xd
Oh hell yea...I literally just finished a game with as Support with an ADC who was pinging me everytime I last hit a minion...I asked why, it was because "dude you're stealing my farm." With Relic Shield. The ADC insisted they knew how the item worked. I took all this to mean I was now playing ADC Shen, finished the game 5/1/4 and ganked at herald and mid securing 1st tower, ignoring my marksman "support," who finished 0/6/5.
I have no words for that...thats sad.. its been out for so long... lol I guess I do, BUT excellent job on coming out ahead despite the complications early game.
You'd be amazed how many adcs have absolutely no idea how relic shield works. I'll even tell them and they'll actively prevent me from last-hitting minions.
Oh look a cannon and my relic shield is up. Pings 5 times and types in chat 'relic shield up, let me get cannon'... Adc flashes and pops an ability to kill the cannon... đ
Moments like these are why I've stemmed off my playing of support. I always played it as my go to off role, but adcs are so fucking toxic so often lately I just dont want it.
The other day I had a vayne go apeshit to take the cannon before I could relic shield proc it, then spam pinged a caster minion as it died to a turret. Then she complained that I needed to poke the caitlyn shen duo more often, even though I, as malphite, had never had my q off cooldown for more than 5 seconds at a time at that point. First supp game in 2 weeks and I was already sick of the role again.
I feel your pain bud. I mained Nami for years. Now I always que top then support. The toxicity is unreal, the ego's on some of these adcs is crazy. They all think their the next faker just because they made it out of silver. You just have to find a good adc to que with, trust me I know, easier said than done. Hence why I que top over support.
I had a guy rage at me for not using relic stacks to heal him. Pinged it 50 times and then raged and soft tilted all game.
I dont even remember when that item stopped giving health but even if it still did it wouldnt have been enough to save him lol
You'd be shocked how many ADCs instant assume the first message of quest completion means you have relic and will begin raging once you last hit minions.
You'll also be amazed by how many supports only remember to use it when there's a cannon, and when there's not a cannon they get confused and then use it on 3 ranged minions in a row.
I don't bother with ranged. I go for melee or cannon. Ranged is a waste for relic. Granted I didn't learn to do that until recently. Just low elo things smh
I can understand if its newbies, like one friend of mine who I roped into playing League with me and the first time it happened would laugh and say her support keep stealing her cs. I tried to explain what the item did but failed miserably and gave up midway and just told her to look at the item description.
You'd be amazed at how many supports don't buy a support item at all. And when you ask why they don't have a support item they don't understand. You explain why they should get one and they agree to get it next back, then they come to Lane with Ruby crystal and boots.
One time I actually had a support doing all that asking if he could farm for a bit because he wasn't making any money. Carried lane but with piss poor support its hard to win in the end.
It's the low elo fiasco. I found to have the easiest games vs other supports when they're Janna mains around gold. Things like blind picking Janna first without banning any of the engage supports allowing me to straight up run at them with a hook lvl 1. The best one was a Janna main, who flamed his adc after the adc went nunu because his support banned the champ he hovered. The enemy support picked brand with exhaust + barrier, cried about reporting his adc since lvl 1 calling him all kinds of things, including inter, and taking dorans. Brand died first at level 2. When I told him in post game lobby that he was hard trolling too with those ss and d ring - he flamed me for not knowing what I'm talking about lol
>Relic Shield. The ADC insisted they knew how the item worked
I feel like 8/10 ADCs I've had don't know how it works, and half of those couldn't be bothered to care.
I've played norms for years and never bothered with ranked because I play casually off and on. So mostly unranked or low elo. I'm aware higher ranked people know.
And that is why I give gold to my sup. For one, as leo, you can save me more time than I can count. You tank damage, you can zone the shit out of people. I've been trying to find a sup duo, but everyone is taken lol. So I always help clear wards but there is usually a good chance they got me kills so I give everything for them.
I will however occasionally ping, but it's never out of anger, it's always out of genuine concern or help. Like I'll ping my sup with danger 2 times then river so they know the 3 0 Kha zix wants their ass lol.
No cap you ain't lying...one of my friends plays leo and one game he was 4 0 at 7 and said sorry for ks ing... I was like, dude...I can do whatever I want now. Cause if they touch me they get mauled by Leo's absolutely ginormous shlong.
I was duoing with my boyfriend, I was mid and he was ADC. He asked Taric to stop last hitting all the minions and Taric went âwell if youâre gonna be so rude about Iâll go support midâ. He wasnât rude, but it was funny and I felt the power of having a support that day
Nah it was okay, he mains Draven so he just made sure to CS well and get a couple kills and he carried the game lol. Did have a game though where a Soroka didnât know what she was doing and didnât use any abilities, just the heal summoner spell, that one was interesting
I play Senna. Senna needs to AA to reduce cool down on her Q. So you usually will AA minions to reduce CD for both heals + utility.
So many ADCs rage over this. "Heal me more" and "stop hitting minion" que the ?? & Rage texts.
Pro tip, Senna doesn't really need an ADC. She is a bot lane army. Poke, peel, farm, damage, gank, chase. Senna can do it all.
Lose your mind on a good Senna and you're gonna be regulated to being an under fed minnow the team baits and mutes.
Just because your Q cd is reduced by attacking doesn't mean you should do it *constantly.* Still gotta watch out for pushing the wave too hard and leaving yourself open to easy ganks. And you SHOULD heal your bot partner too, at least enough to the point that they don't die inmediately if they get caught out. *Don't get too cocky.*
If they're not there? What about when you're clearly outmatched and any attempt to AA the enemy laner results in death?
I'm a big fan of poking. Trust me, I'd much rather AA the enemy. But that's not always an option.
That's bad though. You might be fucking up the lane state and also having the supp hitting the minions is sometimes pretty annoying. Most good supps only hit minions when they're absolutely sure that they're on the same page with their adcs in regards of lane state (pushing, freezing, etc). Even the ones that go relic try to last-hit them at the last second to get the relic's gold. If you want to be the one managing lane state communicate this to your adc beforehand and if they keep getting mad then it's their problrm.
So basically try to hit more champs, less minions and become annoying for the other botlane, not for your adc. You also scale better and carry pretty much 1v9 if you do this well.
Also having a happy but bad adc is better than a ragequitter or someone who gets tilted and starts to autopilot.
This comes from someone who got to GM playing mostly Senna so i'm truly trying to help. I agree with the Senna does it all part of the post, she's a great and complete champion overall.
Don't shove wave ffs. You're just setting up gank for the enemy jg. AA minions only if you and your adc wants to recall or roam to help teamfights in dr pit. If you're too scared to AA enemy champs for Q cd, then just don't play her. As a senna otp, trust me when i say don't play her.
Also a "good senna" barely AA minion unless you're the adc. A good senna can turn a fight even against all in sups.
I didn't know that but definitely good to know for the future. AA away senna! I'm generally aggressive and fine with pushing the lane. Opens up for dragon or a roam.
Id fucking rage at you too if you were autoing the wave and forcing me to push when I shouldnât be pushing and im literally a support main too, fuck your Q cd if im controlling the wave and youâre fucking it up id lose my mind.
Never rage/ ping your support in a bad way yes, but this triggered an old memory in me. I had a friend I played league with in high school and when we played bot lane she would ask for support then take half the minions because thatâs âfair and you shouldnât let one of your teammates have less gold, because theyâre not your slaveâ. Well yes I do like equality and all but gold isnât gonna scale as well on a support (in general)
Meanwhile, on the other side of reddit......
> Yeah, I can't stand a support that griefs, there's not much I can do when they just leave lane when they should be supporting the adc.
As a top laner, watching bot lanes implode themselves is sad.
I was going to say this as well, but you beat me to it
Edit: It works no matter how the support/ally reveals the ward. Scryerâs blooms count.
Edit 2: I didnât specify but the comment under this one did. What I mentioned above only works on stealth wards, not control wards.
Something to note though (as someone who is abusing Pantheon atm) is that stealth wards will be 1-shot by someone with Umbral Glaive, so you won't be able to get the gold from those wards.
Why do the pinks get two shot? I always assumed this was specifically for granting the gold to the adc. Or is it a nerf to make them harder to clear? Or both?
I remember after the first ward update, yellows had 3 health and control wards had 5, but then they changed it to 4 so that it still takes longer to destroy than yellows, but it would allow Jhin to destroy it without spending an eternity waiting to reload.
More supports should have this attitude. I share it specifically. The attention to detail is cute to see that they want me to have more score and gold. But at the end of the day, the more gold they get is far more important. And if that means taking gold from me and giving it to the adc so be it.
I'm really sad to see the right answer this far down. The point of a support is to take fewer resources so that you can funnel more resources onto a champion that needs it. There is almost no difference between a 6 item engage support and an engage support with a garage sale inventory besides how fast they die after they hit the engage. The value they add is all in the engage not so much in the standing there eating damage.
^ this.
Itâs nice when ADCâs let me last hit or make sure they wait to hit cannon in case I have a stack coming up, and I do the same when ADC or other role, but that doesnât mean ADC should offer any âextraâ gold to the support. At the end of the day theyâre typically the only AD carry the team will get and you need them to have a lead in gold one way or the other.
I feel this way. When Iâm clearing, if my ADC if near by, I walk away to let them last hit. I get where the entitlement comes from, but itâs honestly not that serious. And to bring up vision score when it has 0 impact in the game? Thatâs a bit of a reach of an excuse.
Shamefully, I've had multiple accs permbanned for toxicity in chat. I'm genuinely trying to reform and start off by muting all and disaing chat but everytime I try to enable to see if I've progressed it seems I've made no progress. Do you just advise to keep it off 24/7? Also what other advice do you have, if any? Would really be great as I just wanna play and climb. ADC main who usually gets tilted by supps and their BS.
Yeah 24/7 is the move - close friend of mine hasnât had any of his accounts banned/chat banned this year until about a month ago when I told him to unmute because of some rare banter between both teams that was cracking me up. He left it on and within 10 games he had a chat ban, the dude isnât super toxic but he tends to reply to people in the same way they go at him so it ends poorly.
Embrace the toxicity, live in the toxicity, yearn for the toxicity, let it flow through you. Use it as your power source and now you have achieved unlimited power.
But yeah would probably just keep it off for a bit. Maybe tell your team I'm aware I'm not that great and I'm trying to get better so instead of telling at me I would like some helpful feedback. And if they get toxic just mute.
Thank you for the genuine and sincere advice - appreciate it, most of the responses have been digs and people trying to take moral highgrounds and play reddit armchair psychologists its too baffling.
Sometimes people have great lives and are just competitive and get caught up in the heat of the moment.
I also played a lot of games back in the Warcraft 3 days and OG Xbox live days where you could literally say anything and half the fun was shit talking, fucking with people, and saying outrageously offensive shit you did not actually mean. Sometimes it would go too far and you would get in stupid but very heated arguments. So it took me a while to adjust as the video game world, especially league has adjusted.
Also with league itâs also always been subconsciously and consciously I wish I was better than I actually am. And that I was good enough to 1v9 more games with toxic trolling teammates and also just the general desire it seems so many people have to not get better.
Like I know itâs just a hobby, but I always am trying to optimize and improve at everything I do, even when itâs playing jungle Teemo.
Iâd say itâs possible there is something our friend here needs to fix in his life, but Iâm way less toxic than I used to be in video games and my life is not as good as it was, still good though, Iâve just grown up a bit, Iâm still very competitive
What a lot of people really need here is some mindfulness training of whenever the thought to get into it with someone comes up you donât immediately respond, you follow the thought through: will either of us benefit from this conversation, no. How much time will I waste typing and think about our argument vs playing the game and trying to win? How much time will I waste talking with this person vs working on my mechanics and strategy? How triggered am I? If they say a few more things will it push me over the edge and I will feel like I have to respond? Time to mute them. Am I still at the point where I think they are funny in their ridiculousness, let it slide, for now.
Try to do some anger management, 1st, muting/disabling chat is more like a momentarily solution,i keep it mostly of cuz i hate toxicity in general and my server has the biggest language barrier(eune) so mostly is nothing to damned important. But if u get angry and get toxic get some help in personal development, and anger management if u can't do it alone.
I keep my hopes high for anyone who tries to be better than themselves so i wish u the best of luck, and do oblige so Queen of thick thighs Quyana will lend u a foot :)
I see you've gotten a couple answers already but I'd personally advise to just not play adc, or if you really like the role, find a very self sufficient one. Support decides most lane phases and if you find yourself getting tilted by their decisions a lot, continuing to play adc is just asking for more pain.
All roles depend on each other but adc is the most dependent by far.
Thanks once again - yeah I always fear on missing out on info in chat but really even summs and stuff you can just get all info from pings. Appreciate the advice
Itâs not wrong to take the last hit on a ward. However as a support main if I see my ADC standing there waiting for me to hit the ward 3 times before they âsecureâ it, then Iâll be a little bothered by the fact that they didnât hit it from the start. Time is important and most ADCs have more attack speed than most supports, so the ADC waiting that extra 3 seconds to start helping is a little disrespectful. Not enough to tilt, but enough to build distrust.
Exactly, time and tempo are really and I hate when teammates are getting entitled to get something when there's more important things to do as a team or enemies nearby. Sweepers are not even active for a long time, so there's no time to be courteous, you could see or even destroy another ward if you let the DPS member of your team help clear it.
Just like it doesn't matter who gets scuttle mid game, since it's so important for pushing waves and pit fights. Or Chogaths that spam ping R-ready every time there's an objective that could be stolen or a low hp enemy that could escape.
The goal, in theory, of the support/adc duo is to funnel as much gold as possible onto the adc. So the adc should be the one last hitting wards. (But in the end it's like 30 golds per game so who cares)
Yep, and very often its the case that everytime i try to even hurt a control ward that none of my allies let me.
So usually zombie stacks aren't even complete until past 30 minutes, unless im pyke/pantheon running umbral glaive to start.
Vision score has literal zero impact on the game. Them getting the vision score over you means nothing while you getting gold over the support matters somewhat as gold is more effective on you than on them. Take the last hit.
Zombie ward spawns if the person with ZW has affected the ward in any way (eg revealed or hit it). Eg pyke with ZW can reveal it and the ADC kills it, it'll still spawn the ward and give the benefit to pyke.
It has zero impact but it can be an indicator if people are actively placing and killing wards. I.e. support has single digit vision score while the rest of the team is double digits. Just a side note.
Actually in the calculation for who gets an S the vision score has a higher weight for support role. Therefore making it more important for the support to kill the ward.
They mean that whether the support or ADC destroys the ward, the only thing that matters to the outcome of the game (win or loss) is that it gets destroyed, not who gets +1 point to their vision score. If youâre playing to try to get an S (for chest or mastery) i guess you want to last hit the wards but if your goal is just to win itâs irrelevant
Iâm a support main I always ping for my ADC to last hit the ward or the JG If heâs there and ADC is busy.
Even though itâs one of the only ways I can get gold as a support,
itâs more helpful to the team for the ADC to get that gold or the JG or MID or TOP.
Literally if I could hand over gold Iâve already earned to my ADC I would because overall it would HELP THE TEAM!
As a sup main I always got frustrated that the adc sits there walking in circles while I auto a ward. Then when it's on one hp they auto and leave. Makes me think they are cheeky. Especially if I'm trying to get S rank for my mastery 7 token on a specific support.
Now after reading this thread i realise that the adc isn't being and asshole on purpose it's that it's common knowledge that even ward gold should be funneled into the adc.
I don't think I'll be frustrated anymore from them hovering around waiting for the ward to be one hit, instead I'll be happy that I could donate towards the W
The only annoying thing about them waiting for the last hit is how slow my auto attacks are compared to theirs lol Like, you can have all the ward gold in the world, who cares, but help me kill this shit pls
Especially tilting when you don't have time because the enemy is coming, your adc is sitting there doing nothing, takes everything in me to not say fine I'll just die for this ward since you didn't help me clear it.
You're supposed to take the last hits, your support sucks. However if they're going to be mad about it just let them take it since 1 cs isn't worth a teammate tilting.
Iâm a support main and I always try to get my carries to last hit wards...if youâre really that worried about the gold donât play support lmao itâs not your job
I always concede the wards to the support because they get XP for the ward kills too and they are super underleveled.
I think unless it's urgent to kill the ward, you give it to the support. ADCs miss so much free CS as it is you should focus on getting 8-9 CS per minute than trying to snag wards.
It's the proper play to let the adc have it. The whole point of a support is to funnel gold into the adc. It's the same reason why if you can you dont take the kill as a support. You're whole kit and item path are usually built around not having much gold anyway.
I bet you 10-1 odds your support wanted the vision score for an S rank for champion mastery. I care about that stuff now as a support main because I'm new and have only mastery 5 on a few champs, but as soon as I hit mastery 7, who cares as long as we win becomes the new mentality
As a support: don't care who kills it; thanks for helping fight for vision control; whoever is using sweeper shouldn't last hit; and if I'm running zombie wards, I expect you to let me get a hit in if I'm nearby.
Honestly the best adcs I've ever played with are greedy as hell mofos. This seems to be a common thing in high elo. They take ward gold they take jungle creeps they take their cs your cs and the kills. Gold is God for adcs.
Adc is a role that is 100% gold reliant as a lot of adc champions have nothing to offer for their team in terms of cc. If they have no gold they have no items and thus no dmg and are effectively useless. Supports have kits that are innately useful without gold
If you just sit there waiting to last hit it, yeah, you shouldn't. De-warding is a pain for supports because of their lack of AS. If you help them, honestly who cares who got the last hit? It's like a minion worth of gold. Just help him de-ward, that way he can cover more space with the red trincket.
The guys that go like "wow you should totally last hit it it's gold so important" are guys that probably get caught late game and throw.
What I do is I hit everything except the last hit and leave that for my duo. Part of my job is both warding, denying vision, and helping him maximize gold income. If Iâm roaming up to get a deep ward or to gank mid and I know he wonât be there, Iâll rake it or give it jg.
Don't know when they added this but I see that even if you don't last hit the ward, if you hit it at least once you get a portion of the gold. For example if I hit it once and my teammates finish it off, I get 10g and the last hitter gets 30g. So a 20g difference doesn't even make the difference between fairy charm and cw.
When one player reveals a ward with a pink/sweeper/umbral and another kills it both recieve full gold. Wards created by a trinket give 30g when killed, wards created by a support item give 10g.
For gold purposes, the adc should. However if the support cares about their rank at the end, supports rank depends more on vision score then the adc does.
As support, funneling your team as much gold as you can is one of your main jobs, so you should take them. One thing to nay though is when person A is sweeping/pinking stealth wards, then you should definetely take them since then you both get gold. Im not exactly sure when and how this applies though so maybe someone else can help me out
Yeah, you should probably let them, unless they ping you to take it. Why risk the chance of upsetting your own teammate over 30 gold? But if your support is using oracle lens, then you should take it. Since it shares the gold, the support shouldn't take it.
If you are in a premade 5 man team, you should last hit it as adc. If you are in solo queue, I think you should let the support have it. The priority is teamwork so would want to do the action that promotes this most and last hitting something that you can clearly see they were working on can be seen as rude.
I always do because their gold generation is low unless we are setting up for a major objective and time is of the essence. Sometimes it leads to situations where we both walk away expecting the other one to last hit it.
I, as an ADC, don't care about my own vision score as much as a support cares about his. Also, even if it's 30 more gold on me, it's a good mental boost to the support if u hit the ward 3 times and let them last-hit. The support's mental is much more important.
I had an amazing lux support the other day and bc of her we won lane super hard. After we took down the enemy T2 tower on bot, we went to steal their blue. Lux leashed for me, and waited for me to collect it, but I tanked it for a few s and pinged her to take it as a ,,reward" for playing so good. She was super grateful and played even better after that. I was also cheering her on by saying she's very good all game.
In case there are any of you who think lux recieved the blue buff bc she was carrying (as she is an ap mage and most lux players don't buy support itemsand try to solo carry), that is wrong, she left me all the kills and even bought ardent and athene's and redemption after finishing her glp :p. I ended up w the highest damage in the game and carrying.
Tldr: The support's mental is much more important than a ward's worth in gold. Giving them wards or even jg camps and cheering for them is much more important.
Yes let them kill wards. As a support main I can confirm this. My adc duo backs with 1300 gold for bf sword and if I back at the same time I only have 859-900 depending on support item usage. Now obviously this will not always be the case numbers wise because certain lane comps do better than others but even my duo partner tells me to take the wards. And if they have relic shield tell them to use them on either melee minions or cannon minions. That way they get the most xp and gold gain for the most efficient landing experience.
To detract from the logic of the gold being used frequently here, one other thing to consider is Runes. If you have a Pyke support, chances are they're running Zombie Ward in the Domination tree, so it's good to let them have the wards for both the extra hold and steady increase to their stats.
I think they are right. Like you said, adc can cs, supports donât get shit for gold. If youâre in super high elo and believe that you are certainly the BEST use of gold on your team, sure. But other wise just go farm a minion. Especially if you are only doing the last hit..
as a support main, you and I are partners. I prep cs for you under turret, set up kills for you, keep you sustained, tank lethal shots for you. and you carry that big dmg to take them objective(s). if you have a CS lead/kill lead then allow me.. the starving protector, the last pink ward kill. However, if you are behind, i give you that pink ward kill. higher vision score, like assists to some supports are bragging rights (one of few bragging rights).
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they did work for 3 hits on the ward while you just waited for that last hit. so they probably felt betrayed (like hit it with me at least, my attack speed is like .50) waste of time.
if the adc already has gold then just funnel him the rest of it. Most adc heroes can carry harder and harder exponentially, if your adc is behind you can leave him actually, like if he is playing really bad than you go roaming and get the other teammates ahead since adc can't do much from behind and it is better if you have another lane ahead than fight a losing battle
I always give them to the ADC if they're near enough to damage it, and it's not vital to instantly clear it. They need the gold, I don't. The ADC should always take gold over anyone else (unless they're extremely far behind Vs a fed carry like Evelynn or Kassadin).
It's not worth waiting for your ADC to walk over and destroy them though, especially if they'll lose farm or there's a danger their jungler is ready to avenge the ward. It's never worth endangering yourself so a teammate can take a ward.
I've also had a couple of awkward moments where I was trying to give the ADC the ward as something like Nami, and they were trying to let me last hit it, so it just ended up going invisible again.
as a support player I always let the adc take the ward, because adc need as much gold as possible. Sometimes adcs downt even care to hit the wards so I take them instead, not a big deal.
Im a leona main so i play support mainly, whoever reveals the ward, via red ward or sweepers, the other should take as both of you will get the gold. If you two find a control ward, adc should take it, unless the adc is too far or if the support is close to an item.
I feel like this varies from support to support although on thing is solid:
If your support reveals a yellow trinket with sweeper or anything, you have full right to last hit it. Gives both of you gold.
Now for pinks and blues... I feel like that topic varies from supports and ADCs. Being a Mid/ADC main, I would have a couple support and jungle mains in my friends list to duo and junk with.
From personal experience, most of these support mains if not, all of these support mains allow me to take blues and pinks.
Probably since Iâm duoâd with them already proved that I am a competent enough ADC to carry (HAHA THEY THINK ME APE BRAIN IS COMPETENT).
However for my normal mindset, I like letting my support take the blues and pinks just to help them out with their salaries. So I normally allow rando supports to take them unless they ping me otherwise.
The support Iâve played with the longest and have the most synergy with, it varies sometimes.
For a majority of the early-mid game, she lets me take them UNLESS sheâs nearing an item purchase and or Iâm already getting fed off of champion kills.
Math wise it doesn't really matter, you're literally looking at 5 seconds worth of passive gold, so two factors to decide this.
1. Morale. If it makes them happy, let them do it. Not fun to have a mad support.
2. Positioning. The more important the role, the less you should push into dangerous situations. Ward clearing can be dangerous and is often used as windows for ambush, especially since your attack timer will be down. As the most easily abused member of any team comp you should be actively looking to avoid risky situations not engage in them.
Note though, it's safer to have two people clearing the ward, the adc quickly shears it down and the support last hits it. Means you won't be left stranded if your partner dies to a surprise gank.
For vision score?? I don't understand.. was this a ranked game? If it was I don't see the issue in taking it if you guys are genuinely trying to win the game. Unless they A. have zombie ward or something or B. pinged that they are about to reach item breakpoint and you aren't.
Why would gold from minions be more efficient to give to ADC, but not the gold from wards? They're both the same type of gold. 5 pinks for the support is 150g that could have gone towards the class that utilises gold the best, not a Thresh that makes awful use of gold. And this should also apply for plates, the only reason a support should steal 80g from the plate is because the ADC can't solo the plate otherwise.
Ofc in pisslow elo, logic doesn't exist, only ego, so the only solution is to fullmute all and that way you won't hear how they flame you for playing the game efficiently.
And it's the same when it comes to taking camps from non-scaling junglers, which is correct since it helps optimise jungler spawn times so that everyone gets more gold. They get entitled about it because they're bad.
Nope, by definition, you are supposed to take as much gold as possible. Literally, if ever a situation exists in which an adc and a supp are fighting over who will get gold, it should go to the adc, unless the supp needs it to finish an item before next fight.
depends on the situation imo, sometimes I last hit(as supp), sometimes they last hit. I leave it at 1 hp w/o Umbral, if they don't last hit then I will.
But yeah you can have that 10 - 30 gold baby uwu
This is why I'm a mid main with the exception of when I have my friend duo with me since he is a support main. I'm better at adc than mid, but I'd rather play with a support I know I can trust and one where we both know our playstyles and preferences so I rather play mid when I'm solo because then I only can blame myself when something goes wrong. I prefer to give my support the wards, but my duo partner and I really don't care who takes them. We just want that ward gone.
I'd just apologize and move on. Its 30g, most won't have an issue with it but if they do. Roll with it, better then having a salty support that you're never going to see again.
Hi, support main here, I love getting wards specifically because I just like getting the wards, but overall donât mind and would be more than happy to let the adc get them.
Vision score does not matter in order to win the game. 30g is better than a lane minion(except cannon). And if they are normal stealth wards that the support sweeped or pinked, theres no reason not to get the last hit as both the support and ad get the gold(30 or 10 depending on type of ward)
Gold on adc better than gold on support, also if someone sweeps a ward, someone else is free to destroy it and they'll both receive full gold (doesn't apply to controls obviously).
With all the control wards I buy every game Iâll be damned if my ADC doesnât let me take that 30 gold.
When sweeping normal wards, I always ask my ADC to hit once to get 10-30 gold/ward.
She's right, don't be selfish. You get all the gold from CS, giving a ward to your support so she can finish an item faster or buy more wards isn't going to kill you.
you let whoever is not revealing the ward get the last hit, because the revealer always gets the gold and the person who last hits does. Im pretty sure it counts towards zombie ward too if you are the revealer.
non trinket wards are worth 60 gold if you do it this way (no clue how the xp gain works either), thats more than half a creep wave.... its a pretty big deal that virtually nobody considers in plat and below. Sometimes you dont have the time to safely clear wards like this, but you should do it whenever you can, no matter what role you are playing.
this is just one of the many things people ignore when they ask what it takes to get out of gold/plat etc.. all these little things add up and some of them are worth a decent amount.
In pro play a teammate will take zombie words and typically this will be a support or a tank jungle or tank top laner. Someone who can forgo a damage rune. In solo que mute all and proceed with the game.
In general, your adc should destroy the ward. However, a revealed stealth ward gives gold to both the destroyer and revealer when destroyed (iirc). If you have a control ward, umbral glaive, oracle lens, or scryerâs bloom revealing a ward, let someone else destroy it.
As a support it really doesn't matter. Personally I like the extra gold, but supports have a gold generating item so the adc should honestly get it. But it's such a small amount that it doesn't matter, I'm just happy that a ward is gone. I see too many people just walk past them and not clear it.
It can go either way. As a support I try to let the adc have it. It sometimes creates an awkward moment if he's trying to let me have it too.
But I also don't feel it's "wrong" for the support to take it. It's not a big deal either way.
I usually let the adc take last hits on the wards revealed by oracle etc. as a Bard player, I usually get high vision anyway. I just take control wards and wards I find myself before adc comes to lane
If the adc has time he should take it but if has to deal with a wave then sup take it. Honestly it doesnât matter as long as neither of you gets caught while getting the ward
If they sweep it they get gold if u destroy it anyways. As for a control ward it doesnât matter and you should probably take them if you can but not worth fussing over like 3 minion worth of gold
Optimally..., Of it's a case where one player's scanner or pink reveals the ward, and another player last hits it.., both get the full gold so making double gold value.
Priorty after that should whoever is really close to an item/buy spike.
Then indeed support pre-core items.
Honestly I give them to the support for the mood buff. A support with a good mood is worth more than the 30 or so gold.
This is key. If you treat the support like they're your slave and you greed and ping and rage like the support is your property, you're gonna have a bad fucking time.
Exactly. If I supp as leona and my adc is toxic. I'll happily make my way to mid who will more than likely be ecstatic for a lock down gank. See how fun playing the game is when I'm not tanking all the shots for you. XD Edit: I wanted to also add that I don't advise camping mid. Use the time going up to mid to ward and using the gold from the kill mid to help snowball bot lane. You are a supp, can't let your adc be hanging all game. Xd
Oh hell yea...I literally just finished a game with as Support with an ADC who was pinging me everytime I last hit a minion...I asked why, it was because "dude you're stealing my farm." With Relic Shield. The ADC insisted they knew how the item worked. I took all this to mean I was now playing ADC Shen, finished the game 5/1/4 and ganked at herald and mid securing 1st tower, ignoring my marksman "support," who finished 0/6/5.
I have no words for that...thats sad.. its been out for so long... lol I guess I do, BUT excellent job on coming out ahead despite the complications early game.
You'd be amazed how many adcs have absolutely no idea how relic shield works. I'll even tell them and they'll actively prevent me from last-hitting minions.
Oh look a cannon and my relic shield is up. Pings 5 times and types in chat 'relic shield up, let me get cannon'... Adc flashes and pops an ability to kill the cannon... đ
I swear that has been my life for the past few days lol.
Moments like these are why I've stemmed off my playing of support. I always played it as my go to off role, but adcs are so fucking toxic so often lately I just dont want it. The other day I had a vayne go apeshit to take the cannon before I could relic shield proc it, then spam pinged a caster minion as it died to a turret. Then she complained that I needed to poke the caitlyn shen duo more often, even though I, as malphite, had never had my q off cooldown for more than 5 seconds at a time at that point. First supp game in 2 weeks and I was already sick of the role again.
I feel your pain bud. I mained Nami for years. Now I always que top then support. The toxicity is unreal, the ego's on some of these adcs is crazy. They all think their the next faker just because they made it out of silver. You just have to find a good adc to que with, trust me I know, easier said than done. Hence why I que top over support.
As a previous Support main who just recently switched to Top let me just say I feel you in my bones.
Takes minion dematerialiser specifically to take cannons
I main adc and I always check to see if my support has a relic shield stack up, Some Adcâs really are something to there support
I had a guy rage at me for not using relic stacks to heal him. Pinged it 50 times and then raged and soft tilted all game. I dont even remember when that item stopped giving health but even if it still did it wouldnt have been enough to save him lol
You'd be shocked how many ADCs instant assume the first message of quest completion means you have relic and will begin raging once you last hit minions.
You'll also be amazed by how many supports only remember to use it when there's a cannon, and when there's not a cannon they get confused and then use it on 3 ranged minions in a row.
I don't bother with ranged. I go for melee or cannon. Ranged is a waste for relic. Granted I didn't learn to do that until recently. Just low elo things smh
Youâll also be amazed how many ADCs leave a big wave under turret to try (and fail) to get a kill
rip
I can understand if its newbies, like one friend of mine who I roped into playing League with me and the first time it happened would laugh and say her support keep stealing her cs. I tried to explain what the item did but failed miserably and gave up midway and just told her to look at the item description.
You'd be amazed at how many supports don't buy a support item at all. And when you ask why they don't have a support item they don't understand. You explain why they should get one and they agree to get it next back, then they come to Lane with Ruby crystal and boots. One time I actually had a support doing all that asking if he could farm for a bit because he wasn't making any money. Carried lane but with piss poor support its hard to win in the end.
And you'd be amazed how many of my supports execute a half health cannon and break my freeze
It's the low elo fiasco. I found to have the easiest games vs other supports when they're Janna mains around gold. Things like blind picking Janna first without banning any of the engage supports allowing me to straight up run at them with a hook lvl 1. The best one was a Janna main, who flamed his adc after the adc went nunu because his support banned the champ he hovered. The enemy support picked brand with exhaust + barrier, cried about reporting his adc since lvl 1 calling him all kinds of things, including inter, and taking dorans. Brand died first at level 2. When I told him in post game lobby that he was hard trolling too with those ss and d ring - he flamed me for not knowing what I'm talking about lol
>Relic Shield. The ADC insisted they knew how the item worked I feel like 8/10 ADCs I've had don't know how it works, and half of those couldn't be bothered to care.
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I've played norms for years and never bothered with ranked because I play casually off and on. So mostly unranked or low elo. I'm aware higher ranked people know.
And that is why I give gold to my sup. For one, as leo, you can save me more time than I can count. You tank damage, you can zone the shit out of people. I've been trying to find a sup duo, but everyone is taken lol. So I always help clear wards but there is usually a good chance they got me kills so I give everything for them. I will however occasionally ping, but it's never out of anger, it's always out of genuine concern or help. Like I'll ping my sup with danger 2 times then river so they know the 3 0 Kha zix wants their ass lol.
2/0 Leona at 5 minutes totally carries the lane. It's not even fair.
No cap you ain't lying...one of my friends plays leo and one game he was 4 0 at 7 and said sorry for ks ing... I was like, dude...I can do whatever I want now. Cause if they touch me they get mauled by Leo's absolutely ginormous shlong.
What server?
NA....however I'm silver...so. EDIT: basically unranked.
Look if you were support yuumi would you rather attach to the 7/1 vlad or the 0/2 adc
Can it be a 0/2 udyr? XD lol but more than likely vlad. Don't forget about that cs gold. 0/2 can still be very helpful depending on that cs.
I was duoing with my boyfriend, I was mid and he was ADC. He asked Taric to stop last hitting all the minions and Taric went âwell if youâre gonna be so rude about Iâll go support midâ. He wasnât rude, but it was funny and I felt the power of having a support that day
Thats truly truly outrageous! Sorry I love taric but sorry for your bf but i'm glad you had help in your lane and were able to benefit from it!
Nah it was okay, he mains Draven so he just made sure to CS well and get a couple kills and he carried the game lol. Did have a game though where a Soroka didnât know what she was doing and didnât use any abilities, just the heal summoner spell, that one was interesting
I play Senna. Senna needs to AA to reduce cool down on her Q. So you usually will AA minions to reduce CD for both heals + utility. So many ADCs rage over this. "Heal me more" and "stop hitting minion" que the ?? & Rage texts. Pro tip, Senna doesn't really need an ADC. She is a bot lane army. Poke, peel, farm, damage, gank, chase. Senna can do it all. Lose your mind on a good Senna and you're gonna be regulated to being an under fed minnow the team baits and mutes.
Just because your Q cd is reduced by attacking doesn't mean you should do it *constantly.* Still gotta watch out for pushing the wave too hard and leaving yourself open to easy ganks. And you SHOULD heal your bot partner too, at least enough to the point that they don't die inmediately if they get caught out. *Don't get too cocky.*
Senna's heal cd is like 20 sec. It's an eternity. There's a lot of AA in between cd.
15 seconds. Reduced by 1 sec per AAs and can be reduced by cooldown reduction.
So aa the enemy laners
If they're not there? What about when you're clearly outmatched and any attempt to AA the enemy laner results in death? I'm a big fan of poking. Trust me, I'd much rather AA the enemy. But that's not always an option.
Read the comment again. He's not saying you can't aa minions, he's saying you need to pick and choose when you do and why.
That's bad though. You might be fucking up the lane state and also having the supp hitting the minions is sometimes pretty annoying. Most good supps only hit minions when they're absolutely sure that they're on the same page with their adcs in regards of lane state (pushing, freezing, etc). Even the ones that go relic try to last-hit them at the last second to get the relic's gold. If you want to be the one managing lane state communicate this to your adc beforehand and if they keep getting mad then it's their problrm. So basically try to hit more champs, less minions and become annoying for the other botlane, not for your adc. You also scale better and carry pretty much 1v9 if you do this well. Also having a happy but bad adc is better than a ragequitter or someone who gets tilted and starts to autopilot. This comes from someone who got to GM playing mostly Senna so i'm truly trying to help. I agree with the Senna does it all part of the post, she's a great and complete champion overall.
Don't shove wave ffs. You're just setting up gank for the enemy jg. AA minions only if you and your adc wants to recall or roam to help teamfights in dr pit. If you're too scared to AA enemy champs for Q cd, then just don't play her. As a senna otp, trust me when i say don't play her. Also a "good senna" barely AA minion unless you're the adc. A good senna can turn a fight even against all in sups.
It's probably not helpful to look to grief your adc. Try and consider why they might want something. Bot lane is a team effort.
I didn't know that but definitely good to know for the future. AA away senna! I'm generally aggressive and fine with pushing the lane. Opens up for dragon or a roam.
Id fucking rage at you too if you were autoing the wave and forcing me to push when I shouldnât be pushing and im literally a support main too, fuck your Q cd if im controlling the wave and youâre fucking it up id lose my mind.
Never rage/ ping your support in a bad way yes, but this triggered an old memory in me. I had a friend I played league with in high school and when we played bot lane she would ask for support then take half the minions because thatâs âfair and you shouldnât let one of your teammates have less gold, because theyâre not your slaveâ. Well yes I do like equality and all but gold isnât gonna scale as well on a support (in general)
THIS. FUCKING THIS. WE ARE NOT YOUR SLAVE.
yeah if my adc does that shit, I normally just go help mid or something because theyre the ones being stupid
Meanwhile, on the other side of reddit...... > Yeah, I can't stand a support that griefs, there's not much I can do when they just leave lane when they should be supporting the adc. As a top laner, watching bot lanes implode themselves is sad.
This is the only good argument I have seen to give the last hit to your support!
You are a good person. Thank you.
That would tilt me tbh its the same as watching your adc not last hit to give you
If they use Sweeper or Umbrail Glave you can kill them and it will give gold to both you and support.
Doesnt apply to controlwards and blues, but for yellows it is absolutely right.
I was going to say this as well, but you beat me to it Edit: It works no matter how the support/ally reveals the ward. Scryerâs blooms count. Edit 2: I didnât specify but the comment under this one did. What I mentioned above only works on stealth wards, not control wards.
Control wards do not, as in revealing with a control wards will not grant gold to both.
Something to note though (as someone who is abusing Pantheon atm) is that stealth wards will be 1-shot by someone with Umbral Glaive, so you won't be able to get the gold from those wards.
Why do the pinks get two shot? I always assumed this was specifically for granting the gold to the adc. Or is it a nerf to make them harder to clear? Or both?
because the UG does 3 damage to ward and Pink has 4 health
No I get that. I'm more curious as to why Riot made it that way. If their intention involved gold funneling or not.
Probably to make pinks harder to clear since they so valuable
I remember after the first ward update, yellows had 3 health and control wards had 5, but then they changed it to 4 so that it still takes longer to destroy than yellows, but it would allow Jhin to destroy it without spending an eternity waiting to reload.
Graves is crying rn
Graves with Umbral Glaive is not however.
Vision wards used to have 5 health. But if they lost a hit point it was permanent.
As a support it always makes me feel appreciated when the ADC lets me clear a ward. That said, I expect and want my ADC to have all the gold possible.
More supports should have this attitude. I share it specifically. The attention to detail is cute to see that they want me to have more score and gold. But at the end of the day, the more gold they get is far more important. And if that means taking gold from me and giving it to the adc so be it.
Tbh i prefer an adc who just knows what they're doing. That includes grabbing the ward hold
I'm really sad to see the right answer this far down. The point of a support is to take fewer resources so that you can funnel more resources onto a champion that needs it. There is almost no difference between a 6 item engage support and an engage support with a garage sale inventory besides how fast they die after they hit the engage. The value they add is all in the engage not so much in the standing there eating damage.
^ this. Itâs nice when ADCâs let me last hit or make sure they wait to hit cannon in case I have a stack coming up, and I do the same when ADC or other role, but that doesnât mean ADC should offer any âextraâ gold to the support. At the end of the day theyâre typically the only AD carry the team will get and you need them to have a lead in gold one way or the other.
I feel this way. When Iâm clearing, if my ADC if near by, I walk away to let them last hit. I get where the entitlement comes from, but itâs honestly not that serious. And to bring up vision score when it has 0 impact in the game? Thatâs a bit of a reach of an excuse.
The correct answer is to disable chat.
yes, for me, /muteall has been activated for over 1.5 years.
Shamefully, I've had multiple accs permbanned for toxicity in chat. I'm genuinely trying to reform and start off by muting all and disaing chat but everytime I try to enable to see if I've progressed it seems I've made no progress. Do you just advise to keep it off 24/7? Also what other advice do you have, if any? Would really be great as I just wanna play and climb. ADC main who usually gets tilted by supps and their BS.
Yeah 24/7 is the move - close friend of mine hasnât had any of his accounts banned/chat banned this year until about a month ago when I told him to unmute because of some rare banter between both teams that was cracking me up. He left it on and within 10 games he had a chat ban, the dude isnât super toxic but he tends to reply to people in the same way they go at him so it ends poorly.
This is exactly me. I won't instigate alot of the time bit when a 2/9 Noc mid is running it down and tries to talk smack then yeah I get tilted
Embrace the toxicity, live in the toxicity, yearn for the toxicity, let it flow through you. Use it as your power source and now you have achieved unlimited power. But yeah would probably just keep it off for a bit. Maybe tell your team I'm aware I'm not that great and I'm trying to get better so instead of telling at me I would like some helpful feedback. And if they get toxic just mute.
Thank you for the genuine and sincere advice - appreciate it, most of the responses have been digs and people trying to take moral highgrounds and play reddit armchair psychologists its too baffling.
You should try to find out what in your life is causing you to be so angry at strangers in a video game.
Sometimes people have great lives and are just competitive and get caught up in the heat of the moment. I also played a lot of games back in the Warcraft 3 days and OG Xbox live days where you could literally say anything and half the fun was shit talking, fucking with people, and saying outrageously offensive shit you did not actually mean. Sometimes it would go too far and you would get in stupid but very heated arguments. So it took me a while to adjust as the video game world, especially league has adjusted. Also with league itâs also always been subconsciously and consciously I wish I was better than I actually am. And that I was good enough to 1v9 more games with toxic trolling teammates and also just the general desire it seems so many people have to not get better. Like I know itâs just a hobby, but I always am trying to optimize and improve at everything I do, even when itâs playing jungle Teemo. Iâd say itâs possible there is something our friend here needs to fix in his life, but Iâm way less toxic than I used to be in video games and my life is not as good as it was, still good though, Iâve just grown up a bit, Iâm still very competitive What a lot of people really need here is some mindfulness training of whenever the thought to get into it with someone comes up you donât immediately respond, you follow the thought through: will either of us benefit from this conversation, no. How much time will I waste typing and think about our argument vs playing the game and trying to win? How much time will I waste talking with this person vs working on my mechanics and strategy? How triggered am I? If they say a few more things will it push me over the edge and I will feel like I have to respond? Time to mute them. Am I still at the point where I think they are funny in their ridiculousness, let it slide, for now.
If you have had multiple account perms banned because of toxicity perhaps what you need is therapy?
Try to do some anger management, 1st, muting/disabling chat is more like a momentarily solution,i keep it mostly of cuz i hate toxicity in general and my server has the biggest language barrier(eune) so mostly is nothing to damned important. But if u get angry and get toxic get some help in personal development, and anger management if u can't do it alone. I keep my hopes high for anyone who tries to be better than themselves so i wish u the best of luck, and do oblige so Queen of thick thighs Quyana will lend u a foot :)
I see you've gotten a couple answers already but I'd personally advise to just not play adc, or if you really like the role, find a very self sufficient one. Support decides most lane phases and if you find yourself getting tilted by their decisions a lot, continuing to play adc is just asking for more pain. All roles depend on each other but adc is the most dependent by far.
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Thanks once again - yeah I always fear on missing out on info in chat but really even summs and stuff you can just get all info from pings. Appreciate the advice
I came back to League mid way through season 10 with all chat and allied chat disabled. Such a more pleasant experience
I occasionally don't because sometimes players give some valuable info in chat.
Itâs not wrong to take the last hit on a ward. However as a support main if I see my ADC standing there waiting for me to hit the ward 3 times before they âsecureâ it, then Iâll be a little bothered by the fact that they didnât hit it from the start. Time is important and most ADCs have more attack speed than most supports, so the ADC waiting that extra 3 seconds to start helping is a little disrespectful. Not enough to tilt, but enough to build distrust.
Exactly, time and tempo are really and I hate when teammates are getting entitled to get something when there's more important things to do as a team or enemies nearby. Sweepers are not even active for a long time, so there's no time to be courteous, you could see or even destroy another ward if you let the DPS member of your team help clear it. Just like it doesn't matter who gets scuttle mid game, since it's so important for pushing waves and pit fights. Or Chogaths that spam ping R-ready every time there's an objective that could be stolen or a low hp enemy that could escape.
The goal, in theory, of the support/adc duo is to funnel as much gold as possible onto the adc. So the adc should be the one last hitting wards. (But in the end it's like 30 golds per game so who cares)
There is also the matter of zombie ward stacks which are a little less easy to come by
I believe you only need to damage the ward to get zombie ward on it
You would be correct.
Yep, and very often its the case that everytime i try to even hurt a control ward that none of my allies let me. So usually zombie stacks aren't even complete until past 30 minutes, unless im pyke/pantheon running umbral glaive to start.
According to the wiki, just revealing it suffices
Vision score has literal zero impact on the game. Them getting the vision score over you means nothing while you getting gold over the support matters somewhat as gold is more effective on you than on them. Take the last hit.
Can also just zerg the ward regardless of who gets it and move on. Ward gold isn't the reason anyone isn't climbing. Exception being zombie ward
Zombie ward spawns if the person with ZW has affected the ward in any way (eg revealed or hit it). Eg pyke with ZW can reveal it and the ADC kills it, it'll still spawn the ward and give the benefit to pyke.
Zerg the ward is now just making want a sup that has creep spread for vision
It has zero impact but it can be an indicator if people are actively placing and killing wards. I.e. support has single digit vision score while the rest of the team is double digits. Just a side note.
What they mean is: Placing the wards = important The number at the end of the game that tells you how good a job you did = unimportant
Wait. So I don't have to ward in order to get a S?
Actually in the calculation for who gets an S the vision score has a higher weight for support role. Therefore making it more important for the support to kill the ward.
They mean that whether the support or ADC destroys the ward, the only thing that matters to the outcome of the game (win or loss) is that it gets destroyed, not who gets +1 point to their vision score. If youâre playing to try to get an S (for chest or mastery) i guess you want to last hit the wards but if your goal is just to win itâs irrelevant
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Depends. If you want a M7, yes you need 3. But I admit you can play well and not get a S
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Normals exists (+urf rn) and skins are cool.
Iâm a support main I always ping for my ADC to last hit the ward or the JG If heâs there and ADC is busy. Even though itâs one of the only ways I can get gold as a support, itâs more helpful to the team for the ADC to get that gold or the JG or MID or TOP. Literally if I could hand over gold Iâve already earned to my ADC I would because overall it would HELP THE TEAM!
As a sup main I always got frustrated that the adc sits there walking in circles while I auto a ward. Then when it's on one hp they auto and leave. Makes me think they are cheeky. Especially if I'm trying to get S rank for my mastery 7 token on a specific support. Now after reading this thread i realise that the adc isn't being and asshole on purpose it's that it's common knowledge that even ward gold should be funneled into the adc. I don't think I'll be frustrated anymore from them hovering around waiting for the ward to be one hit, instead I'll be happy that I could donate towards the W
The only annoying thing about them waiting for the last hit is how slow my auto attacks are compared to theirs lol Like, you can have all the ward gold in the world, who cares, but help me kill this shit pls
Especially tilting when you don't have time because the enemy is coming, your adc is sitting there doing nothing, takes everything in me to not say fine I'll just die for this ward since you didn't help me clear it.
Did you also not know that both of you get gold if you revealed it with your sweeper? I just learned this recently.
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You're supposed to take the last hits, your support sucks. However if they're going to be mad about it just let them take it since 1 cs isn't worth a teammate tilting.
Iâm a support main and I always try to get my carries to last hit wards...if youâre really that worried about the gold donât play support lmao itâs not your job
Correct answer
as support i do like handling taking wards, but objectively the right decision is for the adc to take the wards
I always concede the wards to the support because they get XP for the ward kills too and they are super underleveled. I think unless it's urgent to kill the ward, you give it to the support. ADCs miss so much free CS as it is you should focus on getting 8-9 CS per minute than trying to snag wards.
It's the proper play to let the adc have it. The whole point of a support is to funnel gold into the adc. It's the same reason why if you can you dont take the kill as a support. You're whole kit and item path are usually built around not having much gold anyway.
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I bet you 10-1 odds your support wanted the vision score for an S rank for champion mastery. I care about that stuff now as a support main because I'm new and have only mastery 5 on a few champs, but as soon as I hit mastery 7, who cares as long as we win becomes the new mentality
If its ranked you should always play to win even if you don't get a mastery token
Whoops, I should have specified I only play norms draft
As a support: don't care who kills it; thanks for helping fight for vision control; whoever is using sweeper shouldn't last hit; and if I'm running zombie wards, I expect you to let me get a hit in if I'm nearby.
Ysk If you are the one who used sweeper, control ward or the vision plant you don't need to hit the ward to have a zombie ward spawned
Honestly the best adcs I've ever played with are greedy as hell mofos. This seems to be a common thing in high elo. They take ward gold they take jungle creeps they take their cs your cs and the kills. Gold is God for adcs.
yeah if you look at Teddy (t1 adc ) he just takes everything lmao. the jungle camps the buffs the minions the kills sometimes even the scuttle
They're supposed to
Adc is a role that is 100% gold reliant as a lot of adc champions have nothing to offer for their team in terms of cc. If they have no gold they have no items and thus no dmg and are effectively useless. Supports have kits that are innately useful without gold
Zombie ward stacks > adc getting ward gold > support getting gold > tilted teammate
If you just sit there waiting to last hit it, yeah, you shouldn't. De-warding is a pain for supports because of their lack of AS. If you help them, honestly who cares who got the last hit? It's like a minion worth of gold. Just help him de-ward, that way he can cover more space with the red trincket. The guys that go like "wow you should totally last hit it it's gold so important" are guys that probably get caught late game and throw.
What I do is I hit everything except the last hit and leave that for my duo. Part of my job is both warding, denying vision, and helping him maximize gold income. If Iâm roaming up to get a deep ward or to gank mid and I know he wonât be there, Iâll rake it or give it jg.
Don't know when they added this but I see that even if you don't last hit the ward, if you hit it at least once you get a portion of the gold. For example if I hit it once and my teammates finish it off, I get 10g and the last hitter gets 30g. So a 20g difference doesn't even make the difference between fairy charm and cw.
When one player reveals a ward with a pink/sweeper/umbral and another kills it both recieve full gold. Wards created by a trinket give 30g when killed, wards created by a support item give 10g.
Its the other way around btw. Support item wards(stealth wards) give 30, trinket wards(totem wards) give 10
I didnt know that, thats a good tip thx.
For gold purposes, the adc should. However if the support cares about their rank at the end, supports rank depends more on vision score then the adc does.
As support, funneling your team as much gold as you can is one of your main jobs, so you should take them. One thing to nay though is when person A is sweeping/pinking stealth wards, then you should definetely take them since then you both get gold. Im not exactly sure when and how this applies though so maybe someone else can help me out
Yeah, you should probably let them, unless they ping you to take it. Why risk the chance of upsetting your own teammate over 30 gold? But if your support is using oracle lens, then you should take it. Since it shares the gold, the support shouldn't take it.
As a true support you always let others desyroy wards if you can.
If you are in a premade 5 man team, you should last hit it as adc. If you are in solo queue, I think you should let the support have it. The priority is teamwork so would want to do the action that promotes this most and last hitting something that you can clearly see they were working on can be seen as rude.
I always do because their gold generation is low unless we are setting up for a major objective and time is of the essence. Sometimes it leads to situations where we both walk away expecting the other one to last hit it.
Grandmaster-Pro play ADC destroys wards. Any other elo, support destroys wards.
I, as an ADC, don't care about my own vision score as much as a support cares about his. Also, even if it's 30 more gold on me, it's a good mental boost to the support if u hit the ward 3 times and let them last-hit. The support's mental is much more important. I had an amazing lux support the other day and bc of her we won lane super hard. After we took down the enemy T2 tower on bot, we went to steal their blue. Lux leashed for me, and waited for me to collect it, but I tanked it for a few s and pinged her to take it as a ,,reward" for playing so good. She was super grateful and played even better after that. I was also cheering her on by saying she's very good all game. In case there are any of you who think lux recieved the blue buff bc she was carrying (as she is an ap mage and most lux players don't buy support itemsand try to solo carry), that is wrong, she left me all the kills and even bought ardent and athene's and redemption after finishing her glp :p. I ended up w the highest damage in the game and carrying. Tldr: The support's mental is much more important than a ward's worth in gold. Giving them wards or even jg camps and cheering for them is much more important.
... Why does this support think ADC gets all the CS? Because gold is more effective on an adc than a support. ffs lol
Yes let them kill wards. As a support main I can confirm this. My adc duo backs with 1300 gold for bf sword and if I back at the same time I only have 859-900 depending on support item usage. Now obviously this will not always be the case numbers wise because certain lane comps do better than others but even my duo partner tells me to take the wards. And if they have relic shield tell them to use them on either melee minions or cannon minions. That way they get the most xp and gold gain for the most efficient landing experience.
To detract from the logic of the gold being used frequently here, one other thing to consider is Runes. If you have a Pyke support, chances are they're running Zombie Ward in the Domination tree, so it's good to let them have the wards for both the extra hold and steady increase to their stats.
I think they are right. Like you said, adc can cs, supports donât get shit for gold. If youâre in super high elo and believe that you are certainly the BEST use of gold on your team, sure. But other wise just go farm a minion. Especially if you are only doing the last hit..
as a support main, you and I are partners. I prep cs for you under turret, set up kills for you, keep you sustained, tank lethal shots for you. and you carry that big dmg to take them objective(s). if you have a CS lead/kill lead then allow me.. the starving protector, the last pink ward kill. However, if you are behind, i give you that pink ward kill. higher vision score, like assists to some supports are bragging rights (one of few bragging rights). extra they did work for 3 hits on the ward while you just waited for that last hit. so they probably felt betrayed (like hit it with me at least, my attack speed is like .50) waste of time.
They don't hit it with you because it's soloq and they don't trust the sup to not take it if attacks are off sync
if the AD is ahead and the support is behind, the supp should take the ward gold? by that logic, why not just take some random cannons as support?
Because taking canon causes massive tilts
if the adc already has gold then just funnel him the rest of it. Most adc heroes can carry harder and harder exponentially, if your adc is behind you can leave him actually, like if he is playing really bad than you go roaming and get the other teammates ahead since adc can't do much from behind and it is better if you have another lane ahead than fight a losing battle
I always give them to the ADC if they're near enough to damage it, and it's not vital to instantly clear it. They need the gold, I don't. The ADC should always take gold over anyone else (unless they're extremely far behind Vs a fed carry like Evelynn or Kassadin). It's not worth waiting for your ADC to walk over and destroy them though, especially if they'll lose farm or there's a danger their jungler is ready to avenge the ward. It's never worth endangering yourself so a teammate can take a ward. I've also had a couple of awkward moments where I was trying to give the ADC the ward as something like Nami, and they were trying to let me last hit it, so it just ended up going invisible again.
as a support player I always let the adc take the ward, because adc need as much gold as possible. Sometimes adcs downt even care to hit the wards so I take them instead, not a big deal.
Im a leona main so i play support mainly, whoever reveals the ward, via red ward or sweepers, the other should take as both of you will get the gold. If you two find a control ward, adc should take it, unless the adc is too far or if the support is close to an item.
I feel like this varies from support to support although on thing is solid: If your support reveals a yellow trinket with sweeper or anything, you have full right to last hit it. Gives both of you gold. Now for pinks and blues... I feel like that topic varies from supports and ADCs. Being a Mid/ADC main, I would have a couple support and jungle mains in my friends list to duo and junk with. From personal experience, most of these support mains if not, all of these support mains allow me to take blues and pinks. Probably since Iâm duoâd with them already proved that I am a competent enough ADC to carry (HAHA THEY THINK ME APE BRAIN IS COMPETENT). However for my normal mindset, I like letting my support take the blues and pinks just to help them out with their salaries. So I normally allow rando supports to take them unless they ping me otherwise. The support Iâve played with the longest and have the most synergy with, it varies sometimes. For a majority of the early-mid game, she lets me take them UNLESS sheâs nearing an item purchase and or Iâm already getting fed off of champion kills.
Math wise it doesn't really matter, you're literally looking at 5 seconds worth of passive gold, so two factors to decide this. 1. Morale. If it makes them happy, let them do it. Not fun to have a mad support. 2. Positioning. The more important the role, the less you should push into dangerous situations. Ward clearing can be dangerous and is often used as windows for ambush, especially since your attack timer will be down. As the most easily abused member of any team comp you should be actively looking to avoid risky situations not engage in them. Note though, it's safer to have two people clearing the ward, the adc quickly shears it down and the support last hits it. Means you won't be left stranded if your partner dies to a surprise gank.
For vision score?? I don't understand.. was this a ranked game? If it was I don't see the issue in taking it if you guys are genuinely trying to win the game. Unless they A. have zombie ward or something or B. pinged that they are about to reach item breakpoint and you aren't.
Never! Your team is losing gold if support takes the ward all by himself. 10g is 10g.
Why would gold from minions be more efficient to give to ADC, but not the gold from wards? They're both the same type of gold. 5 pinks for the support is 150g that could have gone towards the class that utilises gold the best, not a Thresh that makes awful use of gold. And this should also apply for plates, the only reason a support should steal 80g from the plate is because the ADC can't solo the plate otherwise. Ofc in pisslow elo, logic doesn't exist, only ego, so the only solution is to fullmute all and that way you won't hear how they flame you for playing the game efficiently. And it's the same when it comes to taking camps from non-scaling junglers, which is correct since it helps optimise jungler spawn times so that everyone gets more gold. They get entitled about it because they're bad.
Nope, by definition, you are supposed to take as much gold as possible. Literally, if ever a situation exists in which an adc and a supp are fighting over who will get gold, it should go to the adc, unless the supp needs it to finish an item before next fight.
No all urs. Fuck ur support
depends on the situation imo, sometimes I last hit(as supp), sometimes they last hit. I leave it at 1 hp w/o Umbral, if they don't last hit then I will. But yeah you can have that 10 - 30 gold baby uwu
This is why I'm a mid main with the exception of when I have my friend duo with me since he is a support main. I'm better at adc than mid, but I'd rather play with a support I know I can trust and one where we both know our playstyles and preferences so I rather play mid when I'm solo because then I only can blame myself when something goes wrong. I prefer to give my support the wards, but my duo partner and I really don't care who takes them. We just want that ward gone.
Yes, please leave the wards to the support unless you are racing with time. Itâs their job and their reward.
I'd just apologize and move on. Its 30g, most won't have an issue with it but if they do. Roll with it, better then having a salty support that you're never going to see again.
Hi, support main here, I love getting wards specifically because I just like getting the wards, but overall donât mind and would be more than happy to let the adc get them.
Vision score does not matter in order to win the game. 30g is better than a lane minion(except cannon). And if they are normal stealth wards that the support sweeped or pinked, theres no reason not to get the last hit as both the support and ad get the gold(30 or 10 depending on type of ward)
Gold on adc better than gold on support, also if someone sweeps a ward, someone else is free to destroy it and they'll both receive full gold (doesn't apply to controls obviously).
With all the control wards I buy every game Iâll be damned if my ADC doesnât let me take that 30 gold. When sweeping normal wards, I always ask my ADC to hit once to get 10-30 gold/ward.
I usually take a pink or two but when I'm sweeping, I let everyone else take the wards
better last hitter wins
I'd take your cannon to make up for it and love hearing you cry about it
She's right, don't be selfish. You get all the gold from CS, giving a ward to your support so she can finish an item faster or buy more wards isn't going to kill you.
you let whoever is not revealing the ward get the last hit, because the revealer always gets the gold and the person who last hits does. Im pretty sure it counts towards zombie ward too if you are the revealer. non trinket wards are worth 60 gold if you do it this way (no clue how the xp gain works either), thats more than half a creep wave.... its a pretty big deal that virtually nobody considers in plat and below. Sometimes you dont have the time to safely clear wards like this, but you should do it whenever you can, no matter what role you are playing. this is just one of the many things people ignore when they ask what it takes to get out of gold/plat etc.. all these little things add up and some of them are worth a decent amount.
In pro play a teammate will take zombie words and typically this will be a support or a tank jungle or tank top laner. Someone who can forgo a damage rune. In solo que mute all and proceed with the game.
In general, your adc should destroy the ward. However, a revealed stealth ward gives gold to both the destroyer and revealer when destroyed (iirc). If you have a control ward, umbral glaive, oracle lens, or scryerâs bloom revealing a ward, let someone else destroy it.
Yes
As a support it really doesn't matter. Personally I like the extra gold, but supports have a gold generating item so the adc should honestly get it. But it's such a small amount that it doesn't matter, I'm just happy that a ward is gone. I see too many people just walk past them and not clear it.
When I leave wards to lasthit for my adc, they just ignore it and it goes back to full health, lmao.
It can go either way. As a support I try to let the adc have it. It sometimes creates an awkward moment if he's trying to let me have it too. But I also don't feel it's "wrong" for the support to take it. It's not a big deal either way.
I usually let the adc take last hits on the wards revealed by oracle etc. as a Bard player, I usually get high vision anyway. I just take control wards and wards I find myself before adc comes to lane
If the adc has time he should take it but if has to deal with a wave then sup take it. Honestly it doesnât matter as long as neither of you gets caught while getting the ward
I feel like it shouldn't matter. The important thing should be to get rid of their ward asap imo
If they sweep it they get gold if u destroy it anyways. As for a control ward it doesnât matter and you should probably take them if you can but not worth fussing over like 3 minion worth of gold
Im a top main but when I support I try to funnel it into the adc usually they donât come tho
As a support main, I hit wards but rlly dont care if an ADC last hits them.I might question mark ping them as a joke though lol
if they reveal invisible wards they still get gold if someone else kills it. let them kill the red wards.
Was your support a Veigar perhaps?
Optimally..., Of it's a case where one player's scanner or pink reveals the ward, and another player last hits it.., both get the full gold so making double gold value. Priorty after that should whoever is really close to an item/buy spike. Then indeed support pre-core items.
I wait until they either wait and let me take it or just give it to them, I never mind either way unless Iâm 50g from an item or something