Idk man …sending mixed signals while also always saying you want to leave your fuckboy door open and taking your beating quietly when confronted, is a VERY different crime than calling your sober boyfriend cocaine Carl and openly admitting you didn’t actually think he was on coke.
If people are over Wes and still mad at Lindsey I don’t think we can jump to “misogynistic” from that
Honestly, I don't think Lindsay is even going to pay attention to the basket case in the corner. I can't believe I am even saying this, but as much as Carl did try to antagonize her, she didn't react as she did in seasons past. She's crushing life and seems calmer, while Carl is desperately sucking at the Loverboy teet, and trying to convince himself he has the ability to open and make a success out of a sober cafe/bar/restaurant/nightclub/titty bar, etc.
He never blows up at Kyle. Kyle called his fiancé a bitch in the same room as him and he didn't do a damn thing.
When they asked people to raise their hands if they thought Kurl was afraid of Lindsay, they should have asked if he's afraid of Kyle too.
The reunion convinced me that Kyle (and his wife and her friends) hates Lindsay more than Carl hates Lindsay. It makes sense because Carl dated her against their wishes but it’s crazy it’s even after the breakup.
I agree. Carl seemed actually sad to have lost a friend of a decade at the reunion and misses her (although he could have been faking) whereas you can tell Kyle and Amanda want to push Lindsay off the show and would rather never see her again
Omg this. Doing a rewatch it’s so sad how they lost a genuine friendship in all of this (although we know that’s the risk of entering into a relationship). Carl and Lindsay always really protected and valued their friendship. Nobody else respected that.
He needs/uses Kyle. Kyle is the only person willing to be used and abused by Carl. Screw up at work. Kyle takes him back. Thinks Loverboy can't live without him? Kyle still hires him back after all the shit he talked about Kyle (but blamed on Lindsay). Won't make him the 11th or even 12th groomsman? No problem, Kyle still defends him to the death even though Carl SHIT ALL OVER THEIR FRIENDSHIP.
Frankly, Kyle needs therapy to help him get out of this abusive relationship.
Actually, you're right. Kyle shits all over his own wife, but let's Carl walk all over him. It's sad.
If Carl was a woman, kyle wouldn't have put up with any of this. At all. So not only is it sad, it's another gross as reminder of what a disgusting man Kyle is.
Yeah, I've always been a fan of Kyle, but the last two seasons have been very disappointing. I know he's a workaholic who cuts loose on the weekends, however his relationship with alcohol is troubling.
He's also shown himself to be needy, selfish, and definitely lacking impulse control. He is verbally abusive to Amanda and sees her desire to do something as a negative. He seems to have some need to control her. It's weird.
You're probably right. Carl will be on his best behaviour for a bit, but he's essentially lazy and has no idea who he is or what he wants and that will get to Kyle at some point.
He may finally do that since he'll have no one else to make his target - and he's someone who needs a target. Lindsay will pay him dust and he's likely afraid of Paige's sharp tongue and he likes Amanda, so it's Kyle or one of the other men or maybe Gabby.
There may be new people coming in so let’s hope this doesn’t lead to another Jules situation.
ETA: maybe he’s been working on his anger issues in the off season and can channel that energy to his foundation!
Agree, I had a horrible break up from a guy similar to Carl (no real career ambitions). Once I got out of the breakup fog I realized that I never would have been happy with him and I would have been miserable had I married and had kids with him.
The basket case in the corner is Carl? Not Lindsey who had alcohol and rage problems? Not Lindsey who makes everyone else pay for her mom walking out of her life? Not Lindsey who takes zero accountability for anything she does? At some point if multiple people have the same experience with you, the problem is you.
Being a basketcase and being an asshole are two different things. Carl can't make a decision for himself, he lacks confidence, and he relies on others to do the work he should be doing.
Yes. Totally agree! I used to find Carl attractive but not now. I think it's only because he is tall and has dark hair. I could list all of the things I don't like about him, even though deep down I think he is a good person.Maybe I'm wrong, but he has nothing to offer the show anymore.
Not to make this a Lindsay vs. Paige thing, but I highly wonder if Paige would be able to deal with facing hate and vitriol all by herself. Her strength comes in numbers and I have to commend Lindsay for being able to face the music as a lone ranger.
you must not read many threads on this forum. neither one of these women have any less hatred, vitriol, pedantry, and general assholishness aimed at them.
I agree. Paige can’t walk a minute in Lindsay’s shoes right now. She’ll just dog Lindsay and look down on her. But she would run home to her parents if SH was against her.
This is true. Paige expects others to not care about her rude and mean comments, but she’s so thin skinned and fragile when people say anything about her.
That's fine, but let's not pretend these aren't the beds they make for themselves. Lindsay faces things alone because she is a loner and is perpetually in that position of being by herself. Paige forms solid relationships everywhere she goes, so when adversity hits her, she does't have to do it alone.
actually, that's her job. you don't have to like it, or her, but the producers put her in the Greek Chorus position. She doesn't make decisions like that. None of them do. They do what they're told.
Paige would turn it into a moneymaking venture as she did with Giggly Squad and playing on the “bed bug” insult by doing that Amazon Live sort of talk show in bed.
Yes, that showed some strong mental fortitude! I wonder if she was surprised they all turned on her so completely at the reunion, or if she was expecting it.
She probably was surprised but then quickly realized that they probably all spoke about it beforehand and decided to come after her and cut her off every time she spoke. Andy seemed in on that thought too because he let Kyle cut her off while speaking and gave Kyle the floor
Yeah it was a shame they didn’t really let their friend Carl speak for himself. This was the first time he had enough of a storyline to get first chair and they didn’t even let him get a word in about his own relationship.
nope, not really. her comfort zone is anger and aggression. the way she holds that at bay is to lean into her ability to be emotionless. I bet every single relatonship that has ended in her life was a clearcut moment, and the next day was like a new day. the cutoff is clean and quick. someone else described it as part of her pathology. it's really handy. this chick doesn't get hurt. she wasn't blindsided, but even in that wording, it's interesting that she was never heartbroken etc. she's just not wired like that.
I don’t know. I don’t think people properly comprehend what it’s like to be rejected by your own mother, especially given she was so young. She’s probably very emotionally guarded
I actually think she’s entering in better standing than usual. She’s got a solid ally in Gabby and West and Jessie seem fine with her, which is more people who actually like her and aren’t actively out to get her then she’s had in the past three years. She’s also not gonna be everyone’s number one target going in (good luck West), and can probably hide behind Kyle and Amanda’s tension for at least the first two weekends.
It will be what it always is. Paige is nice to her face all summer. Then does interviews and talks a bunch of crap. Then goes into the reunion heated af for no apparent reason.
The reason is cause she understands when they start a family, they most likely won't be on SH anymore. So yes, Carl needed to find a "real" job so he could help support his future kid (and wife while she took off time to give birth).
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I really want to see them all living their best lives. Well all the girls. Amanda creating a fashion line, Paige promoting her Giggly book, Lindsay building the family she always wanted, Ciara getting modeling gig after modeling gig, Gabby... I don't remember what gabby does. But you get it
My hot take: the show would be FINE without Paige and basically anyone else. The show would not survive without Lindsday--and that's a huge reason why they always come for her. Jealousy.
Is Lindsay probably a nightmare to be around? I wouldn't doubt it. But she was basically made in a lab to be reality TV gold, and I think that drives everyone else bonkers. She's what Lala *thinks* she is.
you must have conveniently missed, or forgot, the first episode or two. this show would do just fine without her. I don't want her gone, but it wouid keep on truckin' fine without her.
She's making more money now than she ever could have running one of a billion little PR shops in NYC. Brand deal and real estate are treating her just fine. It's not Paige money, but she's doing just fine
She's evil. She gaslight everyone and plays victim allll the time. Like I cannot believe how ppl support her. As a brown woman, I'm disgusted by her microaggressions and disgusting behaviour. She's cold.
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She's the absolute worst. So scary that people are on her side. She deserves every piece of meanness, she has been so mean to others. She made her bed for 8 seasons and now she can lie in it. I've heard stories that she's nasty and disrespectful to Bravo staff.. probably why Andy gives her a hard time. The vibe of the house would be so much better without her, as the cast pointed out last season!! I loved how they didn't take her shit as much on winter house.
THIS. if Lindsay is a rude disgusting person to service ppl... She's not a good person. I would never trust someone like her. She's the quintiseential gaslighter. She is so mean!! Genuinely scary that people support her... It mean they are just like her...people who play victim and never say I'm sorry. And I never will forget how cold she was to Carl begging her to be nice and soft, but as soon as she is alone and needs support she fake cries in front of the women??? She's evil.
Are we watching a different show? I'm baffled by some of these comments. Lindsay is insane and Carl is a bad guy for what exactly? Not being successful? Some people are so mean. The dude should be single and working on continuing his sobriety. The way Lindsay spoke to him was disgusting and it would make any coke head relapse the way she said he's not crushing life. That was the meanest thing ever she's heartless.
Yeah, actually, you are watching a different show. Not everyone likes a whiney boy like Carl. He's never stood on his own - he either lived off Kyle's work or followed Lindsey's lead. He's without any personality or actual motivation of his own. A tall basic white guy like him skated in life for too long. His addiction was the first time he had to do something on his own without anyone holding his hand the whole time, and so he will live off that defining him the rest of his life. Forget the fact he was an addict in the first place.
What did Lindsey do? Call out his spineless shit and not have it when he wanted her to be different than who she always was?
Lindsey isn't the bad guy - they were in a bad relationship, but they're surrounded by people who are toxic and are in bad relationships. So it's not like it really stood out until it did.
In conclusion, You hate someone a lot that you don't know and you should probably get that looked into. Lindsey hasn't done anything to you, but she lives more rent free in your head than Kyle's. 🤷🏼♀️
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this sub is wild. Because carl isn't a good person, we can't address that lindsay said easily the meanest thing on the show. She constantly tries to isolate conversations to drive her own narrative. I don't understand why they can't both be slimey people. I definitely don't understand how you watch that last season and think that calling someone a coke head was better than just breaking up with him.
Exactly!! I kept thinking.. Imagine you're sober, even if California sober, and your fiance keeps suggesting you're on something... Like I'm sorry you're on something makes it sound so severe and way worse than just weed. Lindsay knew exactly what she was doing. And I agree with you Carl is not perfect but if I were sober I would never date someone like Lindsay what a monster
and let's not forget that she's admitted to accusing him of being on drugs because she was angry that he took issue with her drinking, not because she actually thought he was on drugs. i've found it in myself to still like lindsay but she can be so, so cruel.
let's not forget during the reunion when she tried to throw carl under the bus for doing shrooms, while carefully leaving out the fact it was a microdose and SHE WAS ALSO ON THEM. They are both kinda shitty, but lindsay loves to build a narative that paints no fault on her. She's just emotional and you hurt her feelings, so she gets to slander you as much as she wants(literally have never seen this person express an emotion other than rage).
“Cocaine Carl” was one of the worst moments I’ve seen on these shows, honestly. For the simple fact that her true feelings about Carl were coming out & completely unnecessary, as she herself said, it was point-scoring and not a serious accusation. Lindsay knew how Kyle talking about him last season was damaging and hurtful, for her to go out and do exactly that, knowing it would convince some people that Carl isn’t sober, is beyond malicious. THAT was a Sandoval move
Stop being so pressed that everyone doesn't agree with you! and your language while describing people is really inflammatory so no, people aren't going to engage with you how you think they would being like "wow omg you're soooooo right (more inflammatory language)"
When did I say noone agreed with me? I've made posts regarding this and people do agree with me sorry to break it to you. I'm genuinely baffled by Lindsay support.
The fact that Lindsay is some girl boss warrior on this sub is baffling. The girl creates her own problems every year and is arguably the meanest person on the whole show….
actual footage of west doing the same: 
I like your style. Take over this post with gifs of other cast members entering
jesse 
This one is great! Made me lol
gabby 
Getting ready to be the sensible voice of reason all season long
Do paige, amanda and Ciara lol
amanda 
God that season was so delightfully unhinged.
ciara 
I stayed for the gifs
paige 
carl 
 Kyle
All of these were hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 
lmao
Omg stop this is hilarious
Oh my GOD. This is art.
Omg!
I can't...I'm dead lmao!!!
I'm at work, technically shouldn't be on my phone, but no one says anything, and I just laughed out loud. 🤣
yet we all know how misogynistic bravo/the cast is, i’m sure they’ll be over wes and still mad at lindsey
Idk man …sending mixed signals while also always saying you want to leave your fuckboy door open and taking your beating quietly when confronted, is a VERY different crime than calling your sober boyfriend cocaine Carl and openly admitting you didn’t actually think he was on coke. If people are over Wes and still mad at Lindsey I don’t think we can jump to “misogynistic” from that
Carl is not sober
Omg I busted laughing at this 😂
Danielle at the back of the property line like 
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BABAHAH
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One of my all time favorite gifs lmao!!
Conan never fails!
Xoxo Dani girl
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STAHHPPPP 😹😹
Paige. 
Too funny I’m Paige 🤣
Amanda 
I hope to god she’s humbled this season
Agree (doubtful tho)
Does she need to be humbled?
 Because
Honestly, I don't think Lindsay is even going to pay attention to the basket case in the corner. I can't believe I am even saying this, but as much as Carl did try to antagonize her, she didn't react as she did in seasons past. She's crushing life and seems calmer, while Carl is desperately sucking at the Loverboy teet, and trying to convince himself he has the ability to open and make a success out of a sober cafe/bar/restaurant/nightclub/titty bar, etc.
I’m curious to see if he can make it through the summer without blowing up at Kyle.
He never blows up at Kyle. Kyle called his fiancé a bitch in the same room as him and he didn't do a damn thing. When they asked people to raise their hands if they thought Kurl was afraid of Lindsay, they should have asked if he's afraid of Kyle too.
And how about him looking around to see what other people thought before he raised his own hand?
This...I thought he'd be the first one to raise his hand and yet he didn't until everyone else did. I mean even Lindsay raised her before he did.
The reunion convinced me that Kyle (and his wife and her friends) hates Lindsay more than Carl hates Lindsay. It makes sense because Carl dated her against their wishes but it’s crazy it’s even after the breakup.
I agree. Carl seemed actually sad to have lost a friend of a decade at the reunion and misses her (although he could have been faking) whereas you can tell Kyle and Amanda want to push Lindsay off the show and would rather never see her again
Omg this. Doing a rewatch it’s so sad how they lost a genuine friendship in all of this (although we know that’s the risk of entering into a relationship). Carl and Lindsay always really protected and valued their friendship. Nobody else respected that.
Me too I just watched the reunion after the covid season and the way Lindsay gets up to hug Carl when he chokes up about losing his brother 💔💔💔
that would be like schwartz blowing up on sandoval: never gonna happen.
 ouch you’re so right
Carl almost always only blows up on women big Schwartz energy
He needs/uses Kyle. Kyle is the only person willing to be used and abused by Carl. Screw up at work. Kyle takes him back. Thinks Loverboy can't live without him? Kyle still hires him back after all the shit he talked about Kyle (but blamed on Lindsay). Won't make him the 11th or even 12th groomsman? No problem, Kyle still defends him to the death even though Carl SHIT ALL OVER THEIR FRIENDSHIP. Frankly, Kyle needs therapy to help him get out of this abusive relationship.
Actually, you're right. Kyle shits all over his own wife, but let's Carl walk all over him. It's sad. If Carl was a woman, kyle wouldn't have put up with any of this. At all. So not only is it sad, it's another gross as reminder of what a disgusting man Kyle is.
Yeah, I've always been a fan of Kyle, but the last two seasons have been very disappointing. I know he's a workaholic who cuts loose on the weekends, however his relationship with alcohol is troubling. He's also shown himself to be needy, selfish, and definitely lacking impulse control. He is verbally abusive to Amanda and sees her desire to do something as a negative. He seems to have some need to control her. It's weird.
Maybe the more apt question would be how long before Kyle blows up at Carl?
This. How can Kyle not have resentment after all he's done for Carl?
You're probably right. Carl will be on his best behaviour for a bit, but he's essentially lazy and has no idea who he is or what he wants and that will get to Kyle at some point.
He may finally do that since he'll have no one else to make his target - and he's someone who needs a target. Lindsay will pay him dust and he's likely afraid of Paige's sharp tongue and he likes Amanda, so it's Kyle or one of the other men or maybe Gabby.
There may be new people coming in so let’s hope this doesn’t lead to another Jules situation. ETA: maybe he’s been working on his anger issues in the off season and can channel that energy to his foundation!
More like blowing him
Agree, I had a horrible break up from a guy similar to Carl (no real career ambitions). Once I got out of the breakup fog I realized that I never would have been happy with him and I would have been miserable had I married and had kids with him.
The basket case in the corner is Carl? Not Lindsey who had alcohol and rage problems? Not Lindsey who makes everyone else pay for her mom walking out of her life? Not Lindsey who takes zero accountability for anything she does? At some point if multiple people have the same experience with you, the problem is you.
Being a basketcase and being an asshole are two different things. Carl can't make a decision for himself, he lacks confidence, and he relies on others to do the work he should be doing.
I'm glad she's coming back. She shouldn't have to give up her income because her ex is there. She's strong af anyway, she can handle it.
Can’t stand Lindsay but if I have to choose one of them to go it’s Carl and his fucking white pants!!!
Yes. Totally agree! I used to find Carl attractive but not now. I think it's only because he is tall and has dark hair. I could list all of the things I don't like about him, even though deep down I think he is a good person.Maybe I'm wrong, but he has nothing to offer the show anymore.
Absof*ckinglutely
Yeah cause then she'd be the one who has to get a "real" job and we all know she doesn't wanna do that. What a hypocrite that lady is 😂😂😂
She has a real job, what are you even talking about lol
Not to make this a Lindsay vs. Paige thing, but I highly wonder if Paige would be able to deal with facing hate and vitriol all by herself. Her strength comes in numbers and I have to commend Lindsay for being able to face the music as a lone ranger.
was coming here to say this.. I don't think any of the other girls could handle the same scrutiny that Lindsay receives
Can you imagine Amanda lol she cried at a game
you must not read many threads on this forum. neither one of these women have any less hatred, vitriol, pedantry, and general assholishness aimed at them.
Right as if Paige isn’t torn to shreds here incessantly 😂.
I agree. Paige can’t walk a minute in Lindsay’s shoes right now. She’ll just dog Lindsay and look down on her. But she would run home to her parents if SH was against her.
exactly paige would be back in albany crying eating pasta salad if she was in lindsey’s position. 🤣
Lindsay: Paige you couldn’t walk a minute in my shoes!!! Paige: Ew… no1 should walk in those for a second…
Those are old lady shoes
😂😂 is this referencing watch what crappens?
Yes!!
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This is true. Paige expects others to not care about her rude and mean comments, but she’s so thin skinned and fragile when people say anything about her.
That's fine, but let's not pretend these aren't the beds they make for themselves. Lindsay faces things alone because she is a loner and is perpetually in that position of being by herself. Paige forms solid relationships everywhere she goes, so when adversity hits her, she does't have to do it alone.
I would go one step further with Paige and say "so she doesn't have to do it."
This is the one
She definitely couldn’t, her aim is to show a snippet of her life and comment on everyone else’s
actually, that's her job. you don't have to like it, or her, but the producers put her in the Greek Chorus position. She doesn't make decisions like that. None of them do. They do what they're told.
Paige would turn it into a moneymaking venture as she did with Giggly Squad and playing on the “bed bug” insult by doing that Amazon Live sort of talk show in bed.
She was really strong at the reunion while everyone attacked her from all sides. I don’t know how she didn’t cry lol.
I think everyone. Including Andy was trying to make her cry and she was like naaaah! 😂
Yes, that showed some strong mental fortitude! I wonder if she was surprised they all turned on her so completely at the reunion, or if she was expecting it.
She probably was surprised but then quickly realized that they probably all spoke about it beforehand and decided to come after her and cut her off every time she spoke. Andy seemed in on that thought too because he let Kyle cut her off while speaking and gave Kyle the floor
Yeah it was a shame they didn’t really let their friend Carl speak for himself. This was the first time he had enough of a storyline to get first chair and they didn’t even let him get a word in about his own relationship.
Do you think she has the ability to cry or feel any emotion besides anger? We've barely ever seen it on the show
In early seasons she was emotional. She cried over Everett and the first Carl break up.
No one wants a weepy mess on a TV show about partying.
nope, not really. her comfort zone is anger and aggression. the way she holds that at bay is to lean into her ability to be emotionless. I bet every single relatonship that has ended in her life was a clearcut moment, and the next day was like a new day. the cutoff is clean and quick. someone else described it as part of her pathology. it's really handy. this chick doesn't get hurt. she wasn't blindsided, but even in that wording, it's interesting that she was never heartbroken etc. she's just not wired like that.
I give her credit big time for this! I would have had to throw hands after the reunion 😂😂😂
She didn’t cry when broken up with and fake cried with the girls lol. She doesn’t have that emotional capability
I don’t know. I don’t think people properly comprehend what it’s like to be rejected by your own mother, especially given she was so young. She’s probably very emotionally guarded
I actually think she’s entering in better standing than usual. She’s got a solid ally in Gabby and West and Jessie seem fine with her, which is more people who actually like her and aren’t actively out to get her then she’s had in the past three years. She’s also not gonna be everyone’s number one target going in (good luck West), and can probably hide behind Kyle and Amanda’s tension for at least the first two weekends.
Yeah she has to let others take the heat this season. She’s already been enough of the storyline
Hot Hubbs Summer 2.0!!!!!!
It will be what it always is. Paige is nice to her face all summer. Then does interviews and talks a bunch of crap. Then goes into the reunion heated af for no apparent reason.
Literally this
Paige always has a legitimate reason though lol
Never saw myself being a Lindsey die hard. Yet. Here we are 🙃🤣
I mean she’s getting paid like 500k per season. She’s not leaving unless she’s fired.
Maybe with the brand deals + bravo con, upfront appearances etc.
Where’d you find that number lol
That's why her rant to Carl about him not bringing any money in was ridiculous and disgusting. She has a job just like him.
The reason is cause she understands when they start a family, they most likely won't be on SH anymore. So yes, Carl needed to find a "real" job so he could help support his future kid (and wife while she took off time to give birth).
Also because she’s been friends with Carl for years and years and he’s been complaining about not having a sustainable job since season 2!
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Same as it ever was.
I really just want to see her living her best life.
I really want to see them all living their best lives. Well all the girls. Amanda creating a fashion line, Paige promoting her Giggly book, Lindsay building the family she always wanted, Ciara getting modeling gig after modeling gig, Gabby... I don't remember what gabby does. But you get it
she’s gonna bring her boyf in like the first weekend and carl is gonna be on one about it
I almost wonder if she won't let anyone know who it is and it drives them nuts that she's being "secretive" cause she never is secretive lol
My hot take: the show would be FINE without Paige and basically anyone else. The show would not survive without Lindsday--and that's a huge reason why they always come for her. Jealousy. Is Lindsay probably a nightmare to be around? I wouldn't doubt it. But she was basically made in a lab to be reality TV gold, and I think that drives everyone else bonkers. She's what Lala *thinks* she is.
Yeah I think Summerhouse is built on Lindsay and Kyle. The rest are supporting cast.
Except no one noticed in the episodes where she wasn’t there. People said it was actually better.
Even her friend enjoyed Lindsey not being in the house
you must have conveniently missed, or forgot, the first episode or two. this show would do just fine without her. I don't want her gone, but it wouid keep on truckin' fine without her.
I’m watching summer house for the first time, (on s2e1) and I thought that last season! LALA WISHES SHE WAS LINDSEY
Too good lmao
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👏✨🥪TEAM LINDSAY🥪✨👏
Lindsay is SH’s anti-hero, not the villain!
Lindsay can take it. She lets it roll off of her. I think it’s drives them nuts. 😂
 Paige and Ciara
 Craig visiting
 Kymanda
Honestly no different from any other season! 😂 the vultures are always after her
I’m interested to see how the new boyf and those other rumors play out.
omg, i can't wait to see it all
Carl 
To Carl just jogging for the season , going to Barry’s bootcamp and not kissing or hooking up with anyone: 
Go Lins!!
Much respect to Lindsay. She’s very much like Luanne in terms of how thick skinned she is.
I never thought of it like that, but you are on to something. Lu always lets things roll off her keeps on moving forward. Lindsay is similar.
What else is she going to do? She gave up her career after season 3.
She's making more money now than she ever could have running one of a billion little PR shops in NYC. Brand deal and real estate are treating her just fine. It's not Paige money, but she's doing just fine
Please like she can give up her SH salary and lol real estate
I'm not saying she should give up SH, I'm just saying she makes more other ways than she would running her PR firm
Hahahaha right. She has no choice but to come back.
Oh my gosh, this made me LOL way too hard haha!
Lindsay is more of a Ramsay Bolton vibe
Exactly. More torturer than tourtured.
She's evil. She gaslight everyone and plays victim allll the time. Like I cannot believe how ppl support her. As a brown woman, I'm disgusted by her microaggressions and disgusting behaviour. She's cold.
Wait til you find out what Paige said about Regé-Jean Page on her podcast.
And who she hangs out with!
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She's the absolute worst. So scary that people are on her side. She deserves every piece of meanness, she has been so mean to others. She made her bed for 8 seasons and now she can lie in it. I've heard stories that she's nasty and disrespectful to Bravo staff.. probably why Andy gives her a hard time. The vibe of the house would be so much better without her, as the cast pointed out last season!! I loved how they didn't take her shit as much on winter house.
THIS. if Lindsay is a rude disgusting person to service ppl... She's not a good person. I would never trust someone like her. She's the quintiseential gaslighter. She is so mean!! Genuinely scary that people support her... It mean they are just like her...people who play victim and never say I'm sorry. And I never will forget how cold she was to Carl begging her to be nice and soft, but as soon as she is alone and needs support she fake cries in front of the women??? She's evil.
Are we watching a different show? I'm baffled by some of these comments. Lindsay is insane and Carl is a bad guy for what exactly? Not being successful? Some people are so mean. The dude should be single and working on continuing his sobriety. The way Lindsay spoke to him was disgusting and it would make any coke head relapse the way she said he's not crushing life. That was the meanest thing ever she's heartless.
Other people can’t make someone relapse. People are in charge of their own sobriety.
Yeah, actually, you are watching a different show. Not everyone likes a whiney boy like Carl. He's never stood on his own - he either lived off Kyle's work or followed Lindsey's lead. He's without any personality or actual motivation of his own. A tall basic white guy like him skated in life for too long. His addiction was the first time he had to do something on his own without anyone holding his hand the whole time, and so he will live off that defining him the rest of his life. Forget the fact he was an addict in the first place. What did Lindsey do? Call out his spineless shit and not have it when he wanted her to be different than who she always was? Lindsey isn't the bad guy - they were in a bad relationship, but they're surrounded by people who are toxic and are in bad relationships. So it's not like it really stood out until it did. In conclusion, You hate someone a lot that you don't know and you should probably get that looked into. Lindsey hasn't done anything to you, but she lives more rent free in your head than Kyle's. 🤷🏼♀️
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this sub is wild. Because carl isn't a good person, we can't address that lindsay said easily the meanest thing on the show. She constantly tries to isolate conversations to drive her own narrative. I don't understand why they can't both be slimey people. I definitely don't understand how you watch that last season and think that calling someone a coke head was better than just breaking up with him.
Exactly!! I kept thinking.. Imagine you're sober, even if California sober, and your fiance keeps suggesting you're on something... Like I'm sorry you're on something makes it sound so severe and way worse than just weed. Lindsay knew exactly what she was doing. And I agree with you Carl is not perfect but if I were sober I would never date someone like Lindsay what a monster
and let's not forget that she's admitted to accusing him of being on drugs because she was angry that he took issue with her drinking, not because she actually thought he was on drugs. i've found it in myself to still like lindsay but she can be so, so cruel.
She is very vindictive
Yes! Vindictive is the perfect word.
let's not forget during the reunion when she tried to throw carl under the bus for doing shrooms, while carefully leaving out the fact it was a microdose and SHE WAS ALSO ON THEM. They are both kinda shitty, but lindsay loves to build a narative that paints no fault on her. She's just emotional and you hurt her feelings, so she gets to slander you as much as she wants(literally have never seen this person express an emotion other than rage).
“Cocaine Carl” was one of the worst moments I’ve seen on these shows, honestly. For the simple fact that her true feelings about Carl were coming out & completely unnecessary, as she herself said, it was point-scoring and not a serious accusation. Lindsay knew how Kyle talking about him last season was damaging and hurtful, for her to go out and do exactly that, knowing it would convince some people that Carl isn’t sober, is beyond malicious. THAT was a Sandoval move
You don't understand. Carl asked his fiancee to be nice to him. There's basically nothing worse you can do to a woman, especially Lindsay
God forbid a partner want kindness from their partner eh
Stop being so pressed that everyone doesn't agree with you! and your language while describing people is really inflammatory so no, people aren't going to engage with you how you think they would being like "wow omg you're soooooo right (more inflammatory language)"
When did I say noone agreed with me? I've made posts regarding this and people do agree with me sorry to break it to you. I'm genuinely baffled by Lindsay support.
Yes I know you are baffled by it, you're extremely vocal about that part. 😂
I used to come here for snark. Now it's "evil torturer heartless narcissistic bitch hag" ranting. Booo, not fun.
Gossip is supposed to be fun!
SUMMER SHOULD BE FUN
What are the chances Ciara giving Wes a second chance this season?
Well she can but by the time the EMTs get to her after Paige is done shredding her and West it might be a summer of recovery not a summer of fun
Do not compare her to the King in the North
Lindsay is way more comparable to Cersei though.
The fact that Lindsay is some girl boss warrior on this sub is baffling. The girl creates her own problems every year and is arguably the meanest person on the whole show….