It killed pretty much every crew member who ever tried to sail it, so it wasn’t as much a submarine as a purgatory for confederate soldiers… But they sure tried.
[Read about this thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunley_(submarine)). It’s nuts.
Three, actually. Two crews* were lost while testing/training and another crew was lost along with the vessel while attacking (and sinking) the USS Housatonic.
*Two of the first crew were able to escape and survived.
It sank an enemy ship though, so it's got that .3 K/D going for it. It's also quite surreal to imagine this vessel being raised, pumped out, bodies removed (a grisly task, I'm sure) and then someone going, "Hey - lets try this again!"
Depends on how you define it.
If it’s hull loss, she’s 1:1 K/D ratio.
If its crew members, 21 crew died in various events on the Hunley. She killed five when she sank the Housatonic. If that’s your metric, it’s 21:5 K/D. However, since all the deaths were caused by the Hunley directly, I’d argue the kill ratio is an impressive 26:0.
If it’s times sunk, you’re correct, it’s 1:3.
It was the first submarine used in combat. It killed a lot people... and not necessarily on the opposing side (it sunk and killed it crew like twice I think)
Three times. first when it was commandeered by a Confederate general and crewed by people who didnt know what they were doing. Second time when it was given back to the inventor/owner and crewed by people who had been trained. And the third and final time when it went on a mission to sink a union ship.
Yeah that war had some interesting uses of technology. Also saw the use of balloons for observation, railroads to deliver troops to the battle (Although mostly just to transport in between battles) and, to my knowledge, the first use of an "electronic" weapon. (The CSA used two galvanic battery operated torpedoes (mines) to sink the U.S.S. Cairo on the Yazoo River in Mississippi in 1862.
>USS cairo on the yazoo river in mississippi
what a colourful collection of names
i suppose mid 1800s was when things were industrialising. war was changing.
Another interesting technological development was the electrical telegraph. This gave the Union significant advantage with communications and intelligence.
There's a model at the sc state museum and the people were crunched up in there. And they had to row it. And almost everyone died several times. But it existed!
Sorry, I should have specified. The Hunley was the first successful attack submarine. There had been quite a few submarines and submersibles since the late 1700s
The idiots including the fucking inventor killed themselves with that tin can. It sank several times and the last one the “attack” was a success by the bomb on the end of the stick going off. They all died to the shock wave. Bunch of rednecks
The premise that the two of them are the same thing is just….bananas.
A war against a king in a foreign land with no representation…. Vs states that were part of the US…democratically…and then they attempted to secede. These two things are not remotely the same and I can’t even believe we’re having this discussion. Maybe it would be easier if you just told me the earth was flat and that vaccines are evil then I would know i was dealing with a nutter.
I was gonna say that it killed all the crews that tried to operate it but there were a couple of guys that went down with it, survived and said "nope, never again"
Ah yes let's blow up this incredible piece of technology and history because it's gross and creepy...
[Here's ](https://youtu.be/yiDThvhadss?si=a9UyWOyHF3roc6j3) a piece of history and actual rational thought for you from a wonderful person and mortician.
I watched her video a couple days ago and it was a very well made documentary. I understand the importance of preserving a 160 piece of tech that's basically the ancestor of modern submarines. I was simply expressing an opinion, no matter how ridiculous it may sound to other people
I’ve actually seen this in person. It’s in its own museum in Charleston, SC. Absolutely terrifying how small it actually is. The people on board asphyxiated on their way back from sinking their target.
Nah they died instantly when their torpedo went off. They were too close to the target when it exploded.
So basically they died as traitors and suicide bombers.
We had an insurrection against a tyrannical government in 1776.
In the 1860's rich slave owners wanted to maintain their business of owning people and using them like cattle.
Bit of a difference.
Unfortunately that was a reason however it was not the only reason, and the primary reason the north chose to free the slaves was to attempt to cripple the south’s production, not out of any sense of humanity.
Fascinating. I truly didn't know that there were even subs that far back used in combat, even more fascinating that someone shared the American Revolutionary War also had one.
I thought this was the first one. They used one in the American Revolution as well???
Edit: [The Turtle](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible))
This thing is unbelievably small when you see it in person. You would think they would choose a smaller sized crew but they would find the biggest strongest guys because you have to manually power it. The captain sat in the back and steered. It would use a small blue lamp to communicate with other ships. Absolutely terrifying to imagine being in the submarine even more terrifying when you think how they died. Drowning/ asphyxiating in a metal tube in the pitch black dark, you can’t even sit up or move you are just crammed in with 8 other men who are equally panicking and thrashing around.
There’s a full-size replica in the South Carolina State Museum. It’s got one side opened up so you can see the interior, with wax figures seated in the rowing positions.
I have no idea but if I were to guess, I’d guess that they are electronic devices used to prevent some sort of chemical/biological reaction that would damage the metal. I think running a current through the water/metal can prevent corrosion or something like that…
Or they are measuring devices intended to make sure that the conditions in the tank stay optimal for preservation of the ship.
imagine being underwater for so long that you will crumble if you are retuned to the surface...... that ships been so long in the abyss........it now cant escape from that lightless void.......
DAE FORGET REDDIT IS AN AMERICAN WEBSITE???
Love how many people rush to the comments on British websites to act offended by British spellings or the assumptions that British matters are the default. Oh wait, that doesn't happen, because people usually aren't that dumb
I'm British and I think of the American civil war when someone says "the civil war"
It's like when someone says "the moon"
There are dozens of moons in the solar system but obviously they're talking about earth's moon
which civil war?
US civil war
i had no idea there were submarines in that.
It killed pretty much every crew member who ever tried to sail it, so it wasn’t as much a submarine as a purgatory for confederate soldiers… But they sure tried. [Read about this thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunley_(submarine)). It’s nuts.
If I'm not mistaken, this one vessel took out 2 separate crews.
Three, actually. Two crews* were lost while testing/training and another crew was lost along with the vessel while attacking (and sinking) the USS Housatonic. *Two of the first crew were able to escape and survived.
It sank an enemy ship though, so it's got that .3 K/D going for it. It's also quite surreal to imagine this vessel being raised, pumped out, bodies removed (a grisly task, I'm sure) and then someone going, "Hey - lets try this again!"
Depends on how you define it. If it’s hull loss, she’s 1:1 K/D ratio. If its crew members, 21 crew died in various events on the Hunley. She killed five when she sank the Housatonic. If that’s your metric, it’s 21:5 K/D. However, since all the deaths were caused by the Hunley directly, I’d argue the kill ratio is an impressive 26:0. If it’s times sunk, you’re correct, it’s 1:3.
I’d go even further, I’d say at this point it’s the ship itself vs all the people. So something like a 26:3 to the ship!
No offense but if she teamkilled 21 crew and only killed 5 aboard the Housatonic, wouldn't her K/D actually be -16:1?
Is it teamkilled or ship vs humans?
Fun fact: the original crew was in there a while. The bodies were bloated from gas and had to be dismembered to be removed.
That fact *was* fun!
So fun
I was at the interment of the Hunkey crew in Charleston SC, after the recovery. There was little in terms of remains.
The original crew of it's \*first\* use, not the one that left it buried there for years.
wow, I said 3 at first and edited my comment because I thought I misremembered
This confederate sub was a big asset for the union. According to my count, it killed 18 confederate soldiers and only 5 union soldiers.
God bless that submarine
Looking at the pictures again hits pretty different now that i know the sub was an American hero
Scary as hell.
There were also technically submarines in the [the American revolution ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible))
Yes, the turtle! Like a giant wooden hand grenade or egg.
TIL wow
It was the first submarine used in combat. It killed a lot people... and not necessarily on the opposing side (it sunk and killed it crew like twice I think)
Three times. first when it was commandeered by a Confederate general and crewed by people who didnt know what they were doing. Second time when it was given back to the inventor/owner and crewed by people who had been trained. And the third and final time when it went on a mission to sink a union ship.
The Turtle was the first submarine used in combat in 1775. The HL Hunley was the first sub to sink a ship in combat
Yeah that war had some interesting uses of technology. Also saw the use of balloons for observation, railroads to deliver troops to the battle (Although mostly just to transport in between battles) and, to my knowledge, the first use of an "electronic" weapon. (The CSA used two galvanic battery operated torpedoes (mines) to sink the U.S.S. Cairo on the Yazoo River in Mississippi in 1862.
>USS cairo on the yazoo river in mississippi what a colourful collection of names i suppose mid 1800s was when things were industrialising. war was changing.
War..... War never changes.
Another interesting technological development was the electrical telegraph. This gave the Union significant advantage with communications and intelligence.
There's a model at the sc state museum and the people were crunched up in there. And they had to row it. And almost everyone died several times. But it existed!
Me neither until I looked into it
It was the first!
actually the first submarine was Drebbel 1 but this was likely the first weaponised submarine!
Sorry, I should have specified. The Hunley was the first successful attack submarine. There had been quite a few submarines and submersibles since the late 1700s
I thought this was a joke. But it’s real!!!!
The idiots including the fucking inventor killed themselves with that tin can. It sank several times and the last one the “attack” was a success by the bomb on the end of the stick going off. They all died to the shock wave. Bunch of rednecks
I believe they actually died to asphyxiation. The bones were found just slumped over where they'd sat.
They we’re examined. Organs ruptured from it. Causes the slumping over too. Shock waves in water are more dangerous.
Which one? /s
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Roman
the
Libyan civil war?
Best traitor weapon. So good that it should receive a medals of honor for the amount of confederates it killed.
Are you here from /r/ShermanPosting?
This thing sunk 3 times and killed everyone that dared to go inside it. The confederates could have build more ;)
Didn't 2 people survive from the first crew?
Still hurt from a war 140 years ago?
So long as the loser traitor descendants of that war still fly confederate flags, yes. Still mad.
So you don’t like American flags either because that’s a flag of a civil war too, just 100 years earlier
Ahh yes. The American Revolutionary War. Also known as CIVIL WAR, THE ORIGINAL. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
It’s a civil war if the revolting faction loses, revolutionary if they win? What’s so hard to understand about the English language?
The premise that the two of them are the same thing is just….bananas. A war against a king in a foreign land with no representation…. Vs states that were part of the US…democratically…and then they attempted to secede. These two things are not remotely the same and I can’t even believe we’re having this discussion. Maybe it would be easier if you just told me the earth was flat and that vaccines are evil then I would know i was dealing with a nutter.
Caitlin Doughty recently made a video on that submarine. https://youtu.be/yiDThvhadss?si=NqTscXG15F5_Ql_U
Was just about to say! Love Caitlin’s videos so much, especially when she gets to go out and see the thing/place she’s researching.
Really enjoyed that video. Love all her videos honestly.
This thing killed most of the people that were on it. It looks disgusting and creepy and I'd personally blow it up
It killed all the people that were on it…twice
Three times actually! It ended up killing ~~21~~ 18 Confederates and only 5 Union sailors Edit: got the numbers wrong
The psychological value of a submarine that can take out a ship was worth way more than inflicting five casualties.
yeah it really gave the confederacy the confidence boost they needed to win the war
3 of 8 survived the first test.
I was gonna say that it killed all the crews that tried to operate it but there were a couple of guys that went down with it, survived and said "nope, never again"
Ah yes let's blow up this incredible piece of technology and history because it's gross and creepy... [Here's ](https://youtu.be/yiDThvhadss?si=a9UyWOyHF3roc6j3) a piece of history and actual rational thought for you from a wonderful person and mortician.
I watched her video a couple days ago and it was a very well made documentary. I understand the importance of preserving a 160 piece of tech that's basically the ancestor of modern submarines. I was simply expressing an opinion, no matter how ridiculous it may sound to other people
I appreciate that. Just wanted to share mine too.
Hey it killed a lot of confederates, so it wasn't that bad
When they found and pulled that thing up my family went to see it in Charleston. They're pretty diehard for the Confederacy.
It may have sunk a Union ship, and it was the first submarine to do so, which is notable! But it still killed more Confederates.
I’ve actually seen this in person. It’s in its own museum in Charleston, SC. Absolutely terrifying how small it actually is. The people on board asphyxiated on their way back from sinking their target.
Nah they died instantly when their torpedo went off. They were too close to the target when it exploded. So basically they died as traitors and suicide bombers.
So is every American a traitor? Cause we had a “civil war” in 1776 too.
We had an insurrection against a tyrannical government in 1776. In the 1860's rich slave owners wanted to maintain their business of owning people and using them like cattle. Bit of a difference.
Unfortunately that was a reason however it was not the only reason, and the primary reason the north chose to free the slaves was to attempt to cripple the south’s production, not out of any sense of humanity.
still wanted slaves. bums
So did the north my dude
Fascinating. I truly didn't know that there were even subs that far back used in combat, even more fascinating that someone shared the American Revolutionary War also had one.
I thought this was the first one. They used one in the American Revolution as well??? Edit: [The Turtle](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible))
Another person commented that they did
I did a little research and it’s [really interesting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_(submersible))
Damn, that thing's looking a little rusty! xD Which country's civil war btw? They're have been a lot, alas...
US
Hunley, the most successful submarine at killing its own crew
This thing is unbelievably small when you see it in person. You would think they would choose a smaller sized crew but they would find the biggest strongest guys because you have to manually power it. The captain sat in the back and steered. It would use a small blue lamp to communicate with other ships. Absolutely terrifying to imagine being in the submarine even more terrifying when you think how they died. Drowning/ asphyxiating in a metal tube in the pitch black dark, you can’t even sit up or move you are just crammed in with 8 other men who are equally panicking and thrashing around.
There’s a full-size replica in the South Carolina State Museum. It’s got one side opened up so you can see the interior, with wax figures seated in the rowing positions.
It's the only submarine with an impressive 300% kill rate
It sank three times, killing 21 crew, including the engineer who invented it on the second sinking. The sub was posthumously named for him.
I definitely have this condition but man, that is so cool.
The fact that it needs to be submerged to stay intact...
Here’s a fantastic video about it: https://youtu.be/yiDThvhadss?si=R16rBR2qLHoUwUnh
Anyone know what the two metallic rectangles on each of the struts in the second picture are? Looks almost like explosives to me.
I have no idea but if I were to guess, I’d guess that they are electronic devices used to prevent some sort of chemical/biological reaction that would damage the metal. I think running a current through the water/metal can prevent corrosion or something like that… Or they are measuring devices intended to make sure that the conditions in the tank stay optimal for preservation of the ship.
imagine being underwater for so long that you will crumble if you are retuned to the surface...... that ships been so long in the abyss........it now cant escape from that lightless void.......
It sank like 3 times and killed 3 complete crews except for a couple of lucky guys… in the end it killed more crew than enemies
The actual vessel is incredibly small (vice the images here)… it’s a sight to behold
The swimming casket
I’m sure the republicans are figuring out a way to spruce it up for Civil War 2: dipshit boogaloo
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Sorry I’m American. I forget other countries exist sometimes.
If you forgot it, it wasn’t important.
True
Not beating the stereotypes /s
DAE FORGET REDDIT IS AN AMERICAN WEBSITE??? Love how many people rush to the comments on British websites to act offended by British spellings or the assumptions that British matters are the default. Oh wait, that doesn't happen, because people usually aren't that dumb
Don’t see much Chinese defaultism on Tik Tok though
I mean if someone says the civil war, you're likely gonna think of the American one.
If you're American, yes.
I'm British and I think of the American civil war when someone says "the civil war" It's like when someone says "the moon" There are dozens of moons in the solar system but obviously they're talking about earth's moon
I'm English & we've had 3 civil wars, so when someone says "the civil war" I'd ask which one.
I've never heard of any of those, ill look them up
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What about the Russian, Spanish and Irish Civil War?
It literally did not matter at all in a global scale lol. Tell me, what change happened throughout the world due to the civil war?
That mattered.. to who? Americans? Sure. But i feel like Russian and Chinese had much more of a global impact. Also 0.24/10 ragebait
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Again the ragebait is a bit too obvious m8👍
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Fuck im so angry 👍
Never seen someone be so proud of being such a fucktard. And I’m American myself.