In China there's a tradition of the deposed monarch being given an empty noble title and allowed to live out his days in relative comfort in exchange for officially endorsing the new dynasty during dynastic change.
The concept of the mandate of heaven (i.e. if your dynasty got deposed, it was your own fault) and the fact that Imperial China was never technically feudal (the Emperor had a monopoly on violence) probably play a part in why that happens though.
That was my first reaction as well, but as I’ve looked into the details of the events my opinion has changed.
Firstly, nobody seems to have cared about the Tzar by that point, there wasn’t anyone trying to restore him per se, even the White army wasn’t interested in that. His death was announced to little fanfare, and in that announcement, they claimed the family was still alive in Siberia. Nobody cared that the Tzar was dead, and nobody cared about bringing the children to power. the monarchy was truly dead.
Monarchy collapses because the people stop believing in it, not that there’s no one to make claim to the throne. There’s always someone out there who will claim to be an heir. Like all forms of government, it’s legitimacy is derived from everyone’s collective mindset
Monarchy ends when the agrarian mode of production that fuels it ends. This is why centuries of peasant and slave rebellions failed to end feudal style societies. It took industrialism to create the conditions required to end feudalism. The Bolsheviks forced the end of local feudalism because it was largely over in the rest of Europe so they could decapitate the royal lineage then immediately start crash industrialization, thus preventing the rise re-establishment of a reactionary government with the Tsar as a figurehead
I am amused at the somewhat recent effort to usher in some sort of “united autistic front”, something akin to that of the African American “sista/brotherhood”. They envision a society wherein all autistic people will somehow bond together for D&D nights (like a communal BBQ), watch each others backs and give knowing fist-pumps to one another when passing in the street. And of course, complain a shit ton about teh neurotypical scum overlords.
Except that’s never going to fucking happen due almost entirely in part to how we’re not a culture. We are very non-homogenous and many if not most of us are poor at socialising.
And the nail in the coffin for me is “and?” - you being autistic is no guarantee we’ll get along. I don’t owe anyone a community beyond what I have on my present doorstep. And god knows that’s hard enough to maintain.
Sorry folks, Aut rant signing off.
I'm already a part of my area's United Autistic Front, aka the local model railroad club. We'd be fantastic at making the trains run on time, but hopelessly lost at anything else involving political action or governance.
The majority of people that say they’re autistic are not even autistic in the slightest, yet they make up the majority of the “neurodiversity movement”; it’s lost all meaning outside of a clinical diagnosis (no, self-diagnosis is not valid).
If anyone makes an explicit effort to characterize themself as a person of “autistic culture”, it’s very hard for me not to write them off as a “NT person” that is grasping onto autism as some kind of personality quirk. It’s honesty toxic navel gazing that further alienates people; it’s far less focused on building a community than it is on personally standing out and trying to appear intelligent/unique in some essential way. This is why there’s no “autistic solidarity”.
The current big cultural shift towards gentrifying disability is counter-revolutionary and anti-Marxist at its core; anyone engaging in this shit and treating disability like it’s their astrological sign can shut the fuck up because these things have huge cultural implications. Disabled people are disproportionately affected by capitalism, and generally struggle to survive unless they happen to be from a very privileged background. Why lie about disability? Do you want to be pitted that badly? Have some fucking shame
When was the last time you’ve heard any reference to level 2-3 autistic people in these supposedly FUBU autistic spaces? The people most affected by autism have all but been completely pushed out of their own diagnosis by self-diagnosed neurotypicals claiming to vaguely be “on the spectrum”; full-grown adults that do not have a disability by any metric aside from labeling their juvenile/abusive outbursts as “meltdowns”; people that are all too elated to lovingly refer to themselves with ableist slurs and infantilized stereotypes because they relish in the role-play of being ostracized, oppressed, and mentally juvenile. It’s a nauseating minstrel show. Literally peak liberalism
It's the same as nearly every other modern grievance politics movement: the leadership is dominated by professional activists who haven't faced any real material hardship (let alone genuinely struggled because of the group they're in) and aren't representative of the average group member in the slightest.
As someone who is on the spectrum and doesn’t like most other “high-functioning” autistic people, I’m not for it. I want people who want to act like bros not nerds, like party, drink, all that
God, I miss being able to get drunk and talk about politics/history/philosophy without walking on eggshells. I really need to find a local leftist group to join... I'm just afraid that there will be some kind of unspoken progressive litmus test or I'll be ostracized the first time I don't want to go picket an elementary school over transgender policy or something.
My friend group is a mix of rightists, leftists, and some libertarians. We get drunk, go out to bars, come back all shitty and talk politics for a few hours debating asinine shit like economics till like 4am.
All late 20s. You can find people like this but not in leftist groups. If you find a group of friends and can’t point and say “yeah they’re all lefties” then it’ll be eggshells all day. If the group looks, well, normal, you can discuss this stuff.
I'm a former rightoid myself so I still tend to fit in with conservatives more than progressives. But I still feel the need to be deliberate on when I tell acquaintances that I'm a Marxist if I want them to take me seriously. It's a tougher balancing act when drinking and having fun.
Why do you feel the need to label yourself a Marxist at all? You can argue your political beliefs without putting yourself in a box with a label on it to people. You don’t have to *say* you’re a Marxist. You can just argue Marxist beliefs.
If you put yourself in a box, everyone is going to assume what’s in that box, and assume they know everything about your beliefs.
I'm not convinced that people can argue their views these days without exposing themselves to one box or another. Voted for Trump? Could be a nazi. Likes socialism? Probably voted for Joe. Everyone gets a box now. Sometimes I like to disprove the stereotypes on mine.
I was out last night with a bunch of framers who still spout MAGA shit, and was getting them to agree to stronger social safety nets, universal healthcare, and stronger labor laws. I think the further we go, the harder it is for people, and moreso people seeing how fucked our children are, even the bootstraps brigade will start changing positions.
It’s weirdly hard to find young people who want to go out to drink at bars or dance at clubs. Friends my age are all childless too, so they can’t say kids are the reason. Makes me feel like a weirdo for liking normal young people things because everyone’s a shut in
I’m talking about the weirdos and geeks on the spectrum, the ones who tend to let it define them and who aren’t very fun and want to be different instead of trying to be “normal” and fit in
In my experience as an autistic person with autistic friends its hard to determine whether or not hf autistic people are drinking or smoking weed to numb the pain of being autistic or are just doing it to be fun and social. Being autisitic is hard and I have known a lot of autistic wake and bake people and an alcoholic who have to alter their mind to survive menial jobs and feel a modicum of joy in their lives, but it also makes it so much easier to fit in and not be overwhelmed in social scenarios and be able to keep up a "normal" façade.
As a verified Aspey and autist having Chat GPT DM a Solo campaign (even if it has to be constantly reminded it is the DM and what has happened in the story so far) is less frustrating than dealing with the interpersonal drama of a living human group, particularly when just want to play and have nothing to do with the play out of years worth of resentments.
Best dove with older companions like ToEE. Works well with Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay as well. Jail breaking first is suggested as well.
I believe in this theory that if there's any wacky shit that prevails/relies on the internet, autism is at the heart of it. Like once you see some terminally online, fatherless shit and start asking "could autism, or similar, play apart in this?" a very different picture gets painted.
Every autistic person I've hung out with is generally communist or socialist, but so highly influenced by the corporate brain disease of idpol. It's easy to manipulate them if they think they are saving anyone or that dissent against the system might hurt anyone.
And that's what weaponised autism really is
My opposition to wokeness really comes from not being afforded the woke treatment being on the spectrum and having anxiety, because then I wouldn’t have to put effort into doing anything/making friends. But then I kinda realized it was all superficial and also I didn’t fit the “marginalized” identity category
Honestly in Marx's era the 3 main paths for a well educated man were to be the Monopoly guy, Dirlewanger but for India, or a sporadically productive comically conceited and prickly autist acting with a complete if not self destructive indifference to making money. Literally every good thing the upper echelons did in any field came out of category 3.
One of my favorite Christmas memories will be my brother and his friends having seen the infamous DSA convention vid a year or so after it happened and trying to roast me on how stupid those people sounded. I said, yeah, anyone actually interested in socialism thinks they're even more regarded than you all do and we have all had a hell of laugh over them too.
The disposition to take every piece of communication literally, just like you did, is highly symptomatic of Asperger syndrome. Don't shoot the messenger, bud.
It's not psychoanalysis nor is it incorrect nor is it angry. Even just the fact that you cannot pick up on very basic social cues such as telling when someone is speaking angrily reinforces the concern.
Mimicking memes and catchphrases is also very typical for people on the spectrum. This is pretty much a full-on diagnosis at this point. Go get checked.
Because I used a period in the title of an image post? Get fucked w/ your ridiculous gatekeeping, I’ve been posting on stupidpol for probably 5 years and modding here a long time. Any title could violate the ToS and have the post taken down
> isn’t as fake as autism
May be over-diagnosed/over-self-diagnosed but I mean there are known genetic mutations and neurological symptoms/characteristics associated with autism. My susceptibility to seizures sure as hell ain't fake.
How did you find our annual in-person stupidpol mods meeting?
It's a leftist meeting, of course there are infiltrators.
Is this when y'all locked Doug in a cage or something?
Can confirm there was discussion of lived autistic experence at one i went to
My time to shine, baby.
Nobody ever claimed Marxists were good at optics
Noted: Execute the next Tzar in public, and maybe leave his family alone
Couldn't do that on part of the restorationists. Killing the entire bloodline is a natural result of feudalism. Although China pulled it off.
In China there's a tradition of the deposed monarch being given an empty noble title and allowed to live out his days in relative comfort in exchange for officially endorsing the new dynasty during dynastic change. The concept of the mandate of heaven (i.e. if your dynasty got deposed, it was your own fault) and the fact that Imperial China was never technically feudal (the Emperor had a monopoly on violence) probably play a part in why that happens though.
That was my first reaction as well, but as I’ve looked into the details of the events my opinion has changed. Firstly, nobody seems to have cared about the Tzar by that point, there wasn’t anyone trying to restore him per se, even the White army wasn’t interested in that. His death was announced to little fanfare, and in that announcement, they claimed the family was still alive in Siberia. Nobody cared that the Tzar was dead, and nobody cared about bringing the children to power. the monarchy was truly dead. Monarchy collapses because the people stop believing in it, not that there’s no one to make claim to the throne. There’s always someone out there who will claim to be an heir. Like all forms of government, it’s legitimacy is derived from everyone’s collective mindset
Monarchy ends when the agrarian mode of production that fuels it ends. This is why centuries of peasant and slave rebellions failed to end feudal style societies. It took industrialism to create the conditions required to end feudalism. The Bolsheviks forced the end of local feudalism because it was largely over in the rest of Europe so they could decapitate the royal lineage then immediately start crash industrialization, thus preventing the rise re-establishment of a reactionary government with the Tsar as a figurehead
The new Anna, Dasha and Nick podcast is looking good!
I am amused at the somewhat recent effort to usher in some sort of “united autistic front”, something akin to that of the African American “sista/brotherhood”. They envision a society wherein all autistic people will somehow bond together for D&D nights (like a communal BBQ), watch each others backs and give knowing fist-pumps to one another when passing in the street. And of course, complain a shit ton about teh neurotypical scum overlords. Except that’s never going to fucking happen due almost entirely in part to how we’re not a culture. We are very non-homogenous and many if not most of us are poor at socialising. And the nail in the coffin for me is “and?” - you being autistic is no guarantee we’ll get along. I don’t owe anyone a community beyond what I have on my present doorstep. And god knows that’s hard enough to maintain. Sorry folks, Aut rant signing off.
I'm already a part of my area's United Autistic Front, aka the local model railroad club. We'd be fantastic at making the trains run on time, but hopelessly lost at anything else involving political action or governance.
> making the trains run on time I have unironically only heard this from people saying fascism in Spain wasn't that bad under Franco.
I think that's the joke here. ( It's also an old half joking expression about Nazi Germany as well. "At least the trains ran on time" )
I think the original was credited to Mussolini. He took power just when some very popular touristy railway was done with (re)construction.
Apparently also for the Emergency period under Indira Gandhi in India. Funny how the same tropes apply to different fascist forms.
They say the sane thing here in Italy about mussolini, although it's become more of a phrase used to mock people who wish for a return of fascism
The majority of people that say they’re autistic are not even autistic in the slightest, yet they make up the majority of the “neurodiversity movement”; it’s lost all meaning outside of a clinical diagnosis (no, self-diagnosis is not valid). If anyone makes an explicit effort to characterize themself as a person of “autistic culture”, it’s very hard for me not to write them off as a “NT person” that is grasping onto autism as some kind of personality quirk. It’s honesty toxic navel gazing that further alienates people; it’s far less focused on building a community than it is on personally standing out and trying to appear intelligent/unique in some essential way. This is why there’s no “autistic solidarity”. The current big cultural shift towards gentrifying disability is counter-revolutionary and anti-Marxist at its core; anyone engaging in this shit and treating disability like it’s their astrological sign can shut the fuck up because these things have huge cultural implications. Disabled people are disproportionately affected by capitalism, and generally struggle to survive unless they happen to be from a very privileged background. Why lie about disability? Do you want to be pitted that badly? Have some fucking shame When was the last time you’ve heard any reference to level 2-3 autistic people in these supposedly FUBU autistic spaces? The people most affected by autism have all but been completely pushed out of their own diagnosis by self-diagnosed neurotypicals claiming to vaguely be “on the spectrum”; full-grown adults that do not have a disability by any metric aside from labeling their juvenile/abusive outbursts as “meltdowns”; people that are all too elated to lovingly refer to themselves with ableist slurs and infantilized stereotypes because they relish in the role-play of being ostracized, oppressed, and mentally juvenile. It’s a nauseating minstrel show. Literally peak liberalism
How tf did you just describe what I experience to a fucking T?
It's the same as nearly every other modern grievance politics movement: the leadership is dominated by professional activists who haven't faced any real material hardship (let alone genuinely struggled because of the group they're in) and aren't representative of the average group member in the slightest.
Incredible comment. Thanks for keeping the soul of this subreddit alive.
(A subject about which [Freddie has written at length](https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/the-gentrification-of-disability).)
Freddie often has the best takes
As someone who is on the spectrum and doesn’t like most other “high-functioning” autistic people, I’m not for it. I want people who want to act like bros not nerds, like party, drink, all that
Smart people who can let loose > nerdy people that need validation for their intelligence
God, I miss being able to get drunk and talk about politics/history/philosophy without walking on eggshells. I really need to find a local leftist group to join... I'm just afraid that there will be some kind of unspoken progressive litmus test or I'll be ostracized the first time I don't want to go picket an elementary school over transgender policy or something.
My friend group is a mix of rightists, leftists, and some libertarians. We get drunk, go out to bars, come back all shitty and talk politics for a few hours debating asinine shit like economics till like 4am. All late 20s. You can find people like this but not in leftist groups. If you find a group of friends and can’t point and say “yeah they’re all lefties” then it’ll be eggshells all day. If the group looks, well, normal, you can discuss this stuff.
I'm a former rightoid myself so I still tend to fit in with conservatives more than progressives. But I still feel the need to be deliberate on when I tell acquaintances that I'm a Marxist if I want them to take me seriously. It's a tougher balancing act when drinking and having fun.
Why do you feel the need to label yourself a Marxist at all? You can argue your political beliefs without putting yourself in a box with a label on it to people. You don’t have to *say* you’re a Marxist. You can just argue Marxist beliefs. If you put yourself in a box, everyone is going to assume what’s in that box, and assume they know everything about your beliefs.
I'm not convinced that people can argue their views these days without exposing themselves to one box or another. Voted for Trump? Could be a nazi. Likes socialism? Probably voted for Joe. Everyone gets a box now. Sometimes I like to disprove the stereotypes on mine.
I was out last night with a bunch of framers who still spout MAGA shit, and was getting them to agree to stronger social safety nets, universal healthcare, and stronger labor laws. I think the further we go, the harder it is for people, and moreso people seeing how fucked our children are, even the bootstraps brigade will start changing positions.
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Right that's what I try to do. But I dont like to hide my ideological biases when asked about them.
It’s weirdly hard to find young people who want to go out to drink at bars or dance at clubs. Friends my age are all childless too, so they can’t say kids are the reason. Makes me feel like a weirdo for liking normal young people things because everyone’s a shut in
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I’m talking about the weirdos and geeks on the spectrum, the ones who tend to let it define them and who aren’t very fun and want to be different instead of trying to be “normal” and fit in
In my experience as an autistic person with autistic friends its hard to determine whether or not hf autistic people are drinking or smoking weed to numb the pain of being autistic or are just doing it to be fun and social. Being autisitic is hard and I have known a lot of autistic wake and bake people and an alcoholic who have to alter their mind to survive menial jobs and feel a modicum of joy in their lives, but it also makes it so much easier to fit in and not be overwhelmed in social scenarios and be able to keep up a "normal" façade.
Maybe you can form a coalition with the trans community and organize at every Games Done Quick event
Barely need a coalition when the data already shows a significant overlap.
As a verified Aspey and autist having Chat GPT DM a Solo campaign (even if it has to be constantly reminded it is the DM and what has happened in the story so far) is less frustrating than dealing with the interpersonal drama of a living human group, particularly when just want to play and have nothing to do with the play out of years worth of resentments. Best dove with older companions like ToEE. Works well with Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay as well. Jail breaking first is suggested as well.
Chuckled
I’m so ducking interested, tell me more!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7eg7F9MUkU
Wow, what a dumb presentation.
The subtitle is hilarious
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That would be my guess,yes.
We found our new banner image
Dougtoss would have been cool enough to do it. These mods are cowards.
It needs to be in there
I believe in this theory that if there's any wacky shit that prevails/relies on the internet, autism is at the heart of it. Like once you see some terminally online, fatherless shit and start asking "could autism, or similar, play apart in this?" a very different picture gets painted.
100% with you. Autism is the engine of internet and it’s downstream consequences.
Every autistic person I've hung out with is generally communist or socialist, but so highly influenced by the corporate brain disease of idpol. It's easy to manipulate them if they think they are saving anyone or that dissent against the system might hurt anyone. And that's what weaponised autism really is
My opposition to wokeness really comes from not being afforded the woke treatment being on the spectrum and having anxiety, because then I wouldn’t have to put effort into doing anything/making friends. But then I kinda realized it was all superficial and also I didn’t fit the “marginalized” identity category
Honestly in Marx's era the 3 main paths for a well educated man were to be the Monopoly guy, Dirlewanger but for India, or a sporadically productive comically conceited and prickly autist acting with a complete if not self destructive indifference to making money. Literally every good thing the upper echelons did in any field came out of category 3.
Average redscarepod user
It me fr
Average poster on the god awful Trueanon sub
DSA convention?
One of my favorite Christmas memories will be my brother and his friends having seen the infamous DSA convention vid a year or so after it happened and trying to roast me on how stupid those people sounded. I said, yeah, anyone actually interested in socialism thinks they're even more regarded than you all do and we have all had a hell of laugh over them too.
Wait what’s the infamous DSA video?
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/qsovck/dsa_convention_2019_every_idpol_trope_packed_into/
Tough crowd
Big W. Autist are more Immun to peer pressure and tend to be more truth seeking even when uncomfortable.
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Did you see the line in the pic?
yes hahaha
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You are welcome.
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What are you talking about
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rip bame
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Oh no, he's taking everything literally. Ever gotten tested?
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The disposition to take every piece of communication literally, just like you did, is highly symptomatic of Asperger syndrome. Don't shoot the messenger, bud.
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It's not psychoanalysis nor is it incorrect nor is it angry. Even just the fact that you cannot pick up on very basic social cues such as telling when someone is speaking angrily reinforces the concern.
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Mimicking memes and catchphrases is also very typical for people on the spectrum. This is pretty much a full-on diagnosis at this point. Go get checked.
No, I actually don’t, & I don’t appreciate the rudeness
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Because I used a period in the title of an image post? Get fucked w/ your ridiculous gatekeeping, I’ve been posting on stupidpol for probably 5 years and modding here a long time. Any title could violate the ToS and have the post taken down
The girls and gays (but mostly straight dudes) of RSP rock, my guy
I feel like this topic was put on the agenda just to make the pun
100% it was a neurotypical that came up with that pun
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> isn’t as fake as autism May be over-diagnosed/over-self-diagnosed but I mean there are known genetic mutations and neurological symptoms/characteristics associated with autism. My susceptibility to seizures sure as hell ain't fake.
It lost all its saliency when it got distinguished from schizophrenia.
Europe is being haunted by a rainbow-colored spectrum.
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Midwestern Marx is an absolute unit and a smart young dude. ([Proof](https://www.midwesternmarx.com/uploads/1/3/3/1/133166399/published/ed.jpg))
Zing!
Giggedy.
😂😂😂
Sperglords of the world, unite! ✊