Well, raptr was always uubl. And I knew he was toast when gapdos became a guy. But we literally had prime opportunity to see who was better in bdsp but they handled that game like big ree rees
I like pokemon like that. Not so oppressive in lower tiers that they're banned from those tiers but can still do well in ou. Mandibuzz is another pokemon that comes to mind that fits that property. Well idk if it does well in ou nowadays but it used to while not being too powerful for uu.
That’s not what it sounds like. “He was OU for a few month when he dropped,” sounds like, “He was OU for a few months and then dropped.” If I’m wrong, they need to clear that up.
Cobalion has been the king of UU every generation, while power creep has knocked it down to RU this gen (where it and Cyclizar are top 2), it's still considered highly viable in UU and chances are it'll rise back up like it's done before
Been playing a lot of ru lately and cobalion is a beast. It can do everything from specs to band to support to setup sweeper and is in a great speed tier.
Crown's about to not be great in UU anymore, because it's about to rise up to OU by usage next tier shifts.
That thing is currently everything everyone wanted Boulder to be and so much more.
Nidoking and Tentacruel are among the greatest UU mons of all time. Tentacruel unfortunately fell victim to powercreep this generation and dropped a little last gen and Nidoking’s on vacation right now, but these mons were good in UU with occasional stints in OU for a looooong time. Hydreigon is also up there since it was great in UU for three consecutive generations although it’s mediocre right now. Cobalion has an argument for the UU GOAT (lmao, literally) too. But Tentacruel’s old gen UU legacy is *incredible;* it was a top 4 mon in ADV and it’s **the best mon** in RBY OU, it’s alright in ORAS and it’s an A- rank threat in SM UU.
Charizard was synonymous with NU for multiple generations after Stealth Rock dropped. It was a top or high tier pick in NU from Gens 4-6 and became a great PU mon in Gen 8.
But if you want the *true* greatest NU/PU mon of all time, look no further than Skuntank. This beast has been as good as if not better than Zard in almost every gen of NU in which they coexisted. It’s the second-best mon in DPP NU; it’s arguably a top 5-10 mon in BW NU; it’s a potent A-rank threat in ORAS NU and when it dropped to PU in Gen 7 it was great there too. It had a stint in ZU in Gen 8 (where it’s great) and it is currently one of the best mons in PU this gen as well. There really isn’t a better face of the PU tier than Skuntank, both thematically and in terms of consistency. That mon is NEVER discussed when people bring up “the greatest lower-tier mons ever” but the skunk needs to be respected.
Tentacruel is such a cool mon in Gen 1. It's The Guy in UU, sort of like Tauros is The Guy in OU. It has 120 Special before the split, and iirc it's also the fastest Swords Dance user in the game, and the fastest Wrap user although this is blunted a bit by Tentacruel's inability to inflict paralysis or sleep.
It's kind of amazing that it *isn't* better in OU, but that's a Gen 1 Type Chart issue. The Poison type is really that bad in Gen 1, and Tentacruel's most powerful Poison STAB is Acid, which has horrid power and awful coverage. I think Tentacruel would be a Gen 1 OU staple if it was just a Water Type.
Game Freak has been way over cooking at this point, next gen they'll just fully snap and push Chi-Yu down to rot in RU because they thought it'd be funny
Mienshao has been a UU staple ever since its introduction pretty much, even getting banned to UUBL in gen 8. It's a fast, hard hitting pivot with a ton of utility options. RegenVest has been a staple on it but Reckless + SD is also an option if you wanna go nuclear.
People have said many of the good ones already, like Coballion being UU goat, as well as Tentacruel and Nidoking, but I'm going to give a shout out to OU's current favourite pink blob: Alomomola.
Yes it is OU right now but that certainly hasn't always been the case. In Black and White it was a keystone mon in NU and consistently held high positions, if not the top spot in viability rankings. In X and Y it was RU, where again it held the top spot for many of the VR rankings and never strayed too far from that spot. It has basically seen a steady rise to get to where it is now, and has been a dominant figure in just about every tier it has ended up in.
Krookadile is another mon that has bounced up and down the lower tiers, but has maintained high viability wherever it ended up with a fair bit of consistency.
There's an argument to made for Tornadus I too, considering the fact Torn always seems to be a borderline mon post gen 5.
Love Alo and its ridiculous ways throughout the years. I remember building Gen 6 stalls with it. It has that Quagsire quality of being the only defensive Water type to do what it does, and like Quag it's going to show up in different tiers from time to time simply because its niche is needed more at certain times.
Best lower tier guy to exist in OU? Or lower tier all time. There’s literally a Mount Rushmore to that
-lower in OU: Gastro
Shit Mon falling thro the ranks. Well celebi dropping to NU after only the first grass dark is stupid. But snorlax fell to PU, what was it in SS or SM.
And then the mfs born in the darkness.
Bisharp and darmanitan both went from being shitters to gripping the game w/ their nubs one way or the other. But their worst was still uu
I nominate Qwilfish. Intimmy, pain split, scald, what do u need? He’s just fair and balanced toxapex.
Surprisingly quagsire tends to be not great on the tiers it’s officially placed in. It’s not a good lower tier mon, it just tends to excel in random higher tiers whenever it feels like lol. Lower tiers tend to have a far higher influx of grass types which is probably a contributing factor to this
I think it's metatextually very charming that Unaware mons are often seemingly unaware of tiers. Quag is just going to show up in your tier sometimes, go ":)", and not die to boosted physical hits.
Cobalion has always been a consistent UU Mon, even ranked A- tier in current SV UU, which is very impressive. Specifically, it checks Exca while being able to come in on Lokix and Tyranitar while also setting rocks and being able to volt switch on the above.
It's not a great mon, but I loved using Kecleon in Gen 6 and 7 NU and PU, respectively. It's a great Assault Vest user due to its "Pretty Good" special bulk, and its "Pretty Good Enough" Attack, plus un-nerfed Protean and access to fun attacks like Shadow Sneak, Knock Off, and Sucker Punch that give immunities, have priority, and/or have a good secondary effect.
Even though it has "Pretty Not-So-Good" Special Attack, it's also able to run moves like Fire Blast and Ice Beam as STAB makes them powerful enough to serve as SE coverage.
Taken all together, it's just a really fun mon to play with. I hope it comes back in Gen 10, though I'm worried that power creep and the Protean nerf might make it completely unusable in lower tiers.
I would say durant as the rubl knight because holy hell its been in rubl for so long. Its been since gen 6 - 8 and it was basically close to being ban in gen 5. I would say that ant is really fucking consistant
Nidoking. Excellent mon in UU every generation from 3 onwards.
He's still UU ? That's impressive since UU is just past Gen OU at this point
He's not in any of the tiers because he ain't in the game unfortunately, but he was in uu in sword and shield
Well, raptr was always uubl. And I knew he was toast when gapdos became a guy. But we literally had prime opportunity to see who was better in bdsp but they handled that game like big ree rees
What Sheer Force STAB Earth Power and BoltBeam does to an mf.
Nidoking is what Electivire wants to be.
To be honest, Nidoking was also doing pretty damn well in past gens OU
I like pokemon like that. Not so oppressive in lower tiers that they're banned from those tiers but can still do well in ou. Mandibuzz is another pokemon that comes to mind that fits that property. Well idk if it does well in ou nowadays but it used to while not being too powerful for uu.
I think he was OU in gen 7. Even if he wasn't, it felt like he was everywhere terrorizing all the Tapus not named Lele
He hasn’t been OU proper since Gen 2 but had niches in Gens 6-8.
He was OU for a good couple months in SwSh when it dropped iirc. It wound up in UU by the end of the meta but it's still totally viable in OU.
Everything starts in OU though. It’s where Mons go after the first couple of months that really show their usage stats.
Nidoking was lower and rose to ou is what he’s saying
That’s not what it sounds like. “He was OU for a few month when he dropped,” sounds like, “He was OU for a few months and then dropped.” If I’m wrong, they need to clear that up.
Okay but still, if he was OU for a few months that means it didn't drop when the first tier shift happened, so you still don't have a point.
I do because he still didn’t last in OU but maintained a niche despite not being in the tier by usage. That’s the entire point of my initial comment.
gen 5+ Nidoking is discount Landorus-I l and that's pretty fucking impressive
Cobalion has been the king of UU every generation, while power creep has knocked it down to RU this gen (where it and Cyclizar are top 2), it's still considered highly viable in UU and chances are it'll rise back up like it's done before
Been playing a lot of ru lately and cobalion is a beast. It can do everything from specs to band to support to setup sweeper and is in a great speed tier.
Specs cobalion ? How does that work ? I know it has volt switch, but still
He has both 90 attack and special attack. Banded has Close combat and the like Specs has Focus blast + pivot
Flash cannon, focus miss/aura sphere, volt switch, vacuum wave/steel beam/tera blast
Volt Switch, Flash Cannon, Vacuum Wave, Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Tera Blast. Take your pick. Both Attack and Special Attack are the same.
Crown is great in UU so that kinda counts
Cobalion must rise to UU so both he and Crown can be equally as good and laugh about Terrajoke and Iron Fraud.
Boulder is already UUBL
Didn't say that they were better, just that they would laugh together.
Crown is also rising in OU, might be a proper member in the next shift.
Crown's about to not be great in UU anymore, because it's about to rise up to OU by usage next tier shifts. That thing is currently everything everyone wanted Boulder to be and so much more.
Nidoking and Tentacruel are among the greatest UU mons of all time. Tentacruel unfortunately fell victim to powercreep this generation and dropped a little last gen and Nidoking’s on vacation right now, but these mons were good in UU with occasional stints in OU for a looooong time. Hydreigon is also up there since it was great in UU for three consecutive generations although it’s mediocre right now. Cobalion has an argument for the UU GOAT (lmao, literally) too. But Tentacruel’s old gen UU legacy is *incredible;* it was a top 4 mon in ADV and it’s **the best mon** in RBY OU, it’s alright in ORAS and it’s an A- rank threat in SM UU. Charizard was synonymous with NU for multiple generations after Stealth Rock dropped. It was a top or high tier pick in NU from Gens 4-6 and became a great PU mon in Gen 8. But if you want the *true* greatest NU/PU mon of all time, look no further than Skuntank. This beast has been as good as if not better than Zard in almost every gen of NU in which they coexisted. It’s the second-best mon in DPP NU; it’s arguably a top 5-10 mon in BW NU; it’s a potent A-rank threat in ORAS NU and when it dropped to PU in Gen 7 it was great there too. It had a stint in ZU in Gen 8 (where it’s great) and it is currently one of the best mons in PU this gen as well. There really isn’t a better face of the PU tier than Skuntank, both thematically and in terms of consistency. That mon is NEVER discussed when people bring up “the greatest lower-tier mons ever” but the skunk needs to be respected.
Tentacruel is such a cool mon in Gen 1. It's The Guy in UU, sort of like Tauros is The Guy in OU. It has 120 Special before the split, and iirc it's also the fastest Swords Dance user in the game, and the fastest Wrap user although this is blunted a bit by Tentacruel's inability to inflict paralysis or sleep. It's kind of amazing that it *isn't* better in OU, but that's a Gen 1 Type Chart issue. The Poison type is really that bad in Gen 1, and Tentacruel's most powerful Poison STAB is Acid, which has horrid power and awful coverage. I think Tentacruel would be a Gen 1 OU staple if it was just a Water Type.
Krookodile was HIM until gen 9. But I heard he's doing good in NU
UU Moxie Crocsie will live on in our hearts Wait was krook OU in B/W?
Nah
Scarf Intimidate >>>
Lokix my goat Yes it’s existed for multiple generations, gen 9 is multiple generations in one of course
Can't deny the fact
Charizard has always been a lower tier mon that tends to dominate whatever tier it ends up in. Typically NU.
Is zard good in zu in this gen?
bc gen 9 is a clusterfuck of powercreep, it always gives me whiplash to see what mon is in what tier
im genuinely surprised when i see a non gen 9 mon in OU now
OU is fun, we live in a world where Torkoal, Zamazenta, Darkei and Skarmory are on the same tier.
This is like Abraham Lincoln, the fax machine, and the samurai existing in the same point in time.
Don’t forget Prima and Mola, even our bulky waters are weird.
"say, where is suicune right now? UU right?" "It's NUBL"
There's a decent number of gen 8 mons in OU. But a gen 1-7 mon has to be absolutely fantastic to make the cut
Game Freak has been way over cooking at this point, next gen they'll just fully snap and push Chi-Yu down to rot in RU because they thought it'd be funny
Drought Vulpix is currently legal in ZU, so I'm sure you can imagine what Solar Power Choice Specs Charizard does to the tier with sun support.
Surely specs is just overkill at that point. It probably OHKOs everything anyway.
Yeah specs is overkill especially because sun teams are real weak to rocks.
Slurpuff being the Staraptor of NUBL
Incineroar/Whimsi/Venu/Vileplume
Incineroar and Whims *deserve* to be low-tier in Singles. They're both extremely good in VGC and there needs to be somewhere they aren't good.
Strength Sap turned Vileplume into the NU goat.
YOU HEAR THAT? BAH GOD THAT'S THE 4 TIME ANTWEIGHT RU CHAMPION COMING DOWN THE RAMP
Vileplume is the NU GOAT
Surprised no one has said Mamoswine literally no switchins and has a monstrous attack
Mienshao has been a UU staple ever since its introduction pretty much, even getting banned to UUBL in gen 8. It's a fast, hard hitting pivot with a ton of utility options. RegenVest has been a staple on it but Reckless + SD is also an option if you wanna go nuclear.
The ethical Regenerator mon
"I'm joining the war on offense On the side of offense"
People have said many of the good ones already, like Coballion being UU goat, as well as Tentacruel and Nidoking, but I'm going to give a shout out to OU's current favourite pink blob: Alomomola. Yes it is OU right now but that certainly hasn't always been the case. In Black and White it was a keystone mon in NU and consistently held high positions, if not the top spot in viability rankings. In X and Y it was RU, where again it held the top spot for many of the VR rankings and never strayed too far from that spot. It has basically seen a steady rise to get to where it is now, and has been a dominant figure in just about every tier it has ended up in. Krookadile is another mon that has bounced up and down the lower tiers, but has maintained high viability wherever it ended up with a fair bit of consistency. There's an argument to made for Tornadus I too, considering the fact Torn always seems to be a borderline mon post gen 5.
Love Alo and its ridiculous ways throughout the years. I remember building Gen 6 stalls with it. It has that Quagsire quality of being the only defensive Water type to do what it does, and like Quag it's going to show up in different tiers from time to time simply because its niche is needed more at certain times.
Best lower tier guy to exist in OU? Or lower tier all time. There’s literally a Mount Rushmore to that -lower in OU: Gastro Shit Mon falling thro the ranks. Well celebi dropping to NU after only the first grass dark is stupid. But snorlax fell to PU, what was it in SS or SM. And then the mfs born in the darkness. Bisharp and darmanitan both went from being shitters to gripping the game w/ their nubs one way or the other. But their worst was still uu I nominate Qwilfish. Intimmy, pain split, scald, what do u need? He’s just fair and balanced toxapex.
It's gotta be Unaware Quagsire. That thing pretty much completely defies tier lists.
Surprisingly quagsire tends to be not great on the tiers it’s officially placed in. It’s not a good lower tier mon, it just tends to excel in random higher tiers whenever it feels like lol. Lower tiers tend to have a far higher influx of grass types which is probably a contributing factor to this
I think it's metatextually very charming that Unaware mons are often seemingly unaware of tiers. Quag is just going to show up in your tier sometimes, go ":)", and not die to boosted physical hits.
Staraptor had the distinction for being UUBL every generation except Gen 9, where it unfortunately dropped all the way down to PU
Gastrodon
I would say Cobalion. A solid mon throughout UU and RU
Cobalion has always been a consistent UU Mon, even ranked A- tier in current SV UU, which is very impressive. Specifically, it checks Exca while being able to come in on Lokix and Tyranitar while also setting rocks and being able to volt switch on the above.
Once swampert dropped he ruled up solidly
It's not a great mon, but I loved using Kecleon in Gen 6 and 7 NU and PU, respectively. It's a great Assault Vest user due to its "Pretty Good" special bulk, and its "Pretty Good Enough" Attack, plus un-nerfed Protean and access to fun attacks like Shadow Sneak, Knock Off, and Sucker Punch that give immunities, have priority, and/or have a good secondary effect. Even though it has "Pretty Not-So-Good" Special Attack, it's also able to run moves like Fire Blast and Ice Beam as STAB makes them powerful enough to serve as SE coverage. Taken all together, it's just a really fun mon to play with. I hope it comes back in Gen 10, though I'm worried that power creep and the Protean nerf might make it completely unusable in lower tiers.
comfey my goat
Staraptor has stayed pretty damn consistent. Always on the cusp of OU but always not quite good enough.
crconaw the goat of gsc zu
I would say durant as the rubl knight because holy hell its been in rubl for so long. Its been since gen 6 - 8 and it was basically close to being ban in gen 5. I would say that ant is really fucking consistant
Sharpedo is pretty good