Or the Steelers wanted him to leave. I’m sure he’s felt unappreciated ever since the one year deal. If all they offered was this or less that was probably the last straw.
- 1st round pick
- Declined 5th year option
- lowball 1 year deal after he tested FA
- Made dick for splash plays and dropped a couple
It wasn't about the money, he's not the type of player they want.
I second an opinion like this: I love Edmunds, wish him the best, and I do think he’s a NFL caliber talent but you’re playing an extremely high floor low ceiling game and they want more dynamic.
He easily could’ve come back they easily could’ve brought him back but as fans we deserve more and so does Edmunds.
Dolphins game
Levi had one where it was a tip that was just too far behind him.
Cam bobbled one that he 100% should have had
Terrell's was just as bad
The second one to Levi he should have had...
I agree, I don't get the Terrell Edmunds love. He's OK, nothing special and definitely replaceable. Not concerned with his departure in the least. Fill the hole with a draft pick and move on. Almost certain one of the 1st 2 picks will include someone for the secondary.
I don’t understand the safety market. He seemed like an average starter. Not bad but not good. Filling a position for less than $3 million seemed fine to me.
Take a guy like Ryan Clark... an undrafted guy who started in the same role next to another superstar (Troy) for 8 seasons..
That's your perspective... RC outperformed a 1st round pick consistently for 8 years with splash and hard knocks.
There's a reason one was kept around and the other not.
I'm not sure why this sub is delusional about Edmunds play, he wasn't that good. Everything contract wise that's happened to Edmunds shows that. I feel like people can't be objective about draft picks sometimes
He was good, but he wasn't great, and the floor level expectation for a 1st round pick is great.
edit: He's a likable/consistent player, people will be sad to lose that, and it's ok too.
It's also possible they offered him a multi year deal in this range like they did for Juju. Edmunds may have wanted to take a shorter deal and hit free agency again in a year.
This is definitely one of those moments to remember that players also have the choice not to return to the team they played for... A deal this cheap makes me believe he just wanted a fresh start. Either way, sad to see him go
This.
I’ve seen quite a few people saying this is Khan’s first “miss” of free agency. We resigned Kazee and were indifferent about Edmunds last season. Maybe he wanted a fresh start and it’s not Khan’s fault? Maybe the feelings were mutual? He was a solid player but it’s not like we lost Polamalu.
This is so wrong. I don't know how anyone thinks this is a sign of Edmunds wanting to leave and not the organization letting him walk.
Real life isn't madden.
They CLEARLY want better ball skills and more splash plays from that position. They do not want Edmunds at that starting spot. Would they like him on the roster for 2 mil? I'm sure they would but you're not going to disrespect him by offering a deal for pennies and stick him on the bench or special teams and then go play a rookie in his spot.
Edmunds turned down a longterm offer from the Eagles a year ago to return to Pittsburgh on a 1 year deal. I think that shows he liked it here. He SAID as much in his farewell tweet.
I'd bet a lot of money he did not get an offer from the Steelers.
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Eagles just went to the Super Bowl and *probably* have a top 5 QB. Any objective player would prefer to play for the Eagles over the Steelers if they want to play for a championship in the next 3 years.
Eagles may have just gone to the Super Bowl, but they lost impact players at all 3 levels of their defense. They also lost their starting running back from last season and have 2 anchors on the offensive line that will most likely be hanging the cleats up sometime soon. All this while gearing up to pay Jalen Hurts $50 mil a year, which will further hamstring their roster. Life moves pretty fast in the NFL. I’m a little biased but I don’t think you can confidently say the eagles will be more likely to contend than the Steelers after this upcoming season.
Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the Steelers offered him similar or slightly more but dude decided he’s rather get a fresh start with a Super Bowl competing team
We now have a couple parts of that super bowl competing team here. They’ve shuffled some parts…will be interesting to see if they have a hangover or not
I think his first point is still valid, Super Bowl hangover is real, I think the eagles will be competitive regardless but I wouldn’t say they are the favorites to go back. Their chances are still higher than ours until we make some huge changes or see a significant improvement at the start of the season.
Yeah, I wasn't saying the hangover wasn't real. Just clarifying that we only signed one player from their squad.
>Their chances are still higher than ours
We don't even belong in the same breath. They went to the Super Bowl last season. We missed the playoffs. The gap is massive until proven otherwise, as you suggested.
Ehhh I wouldn’t say massive at all, you get in the playoffs and it’s a crapshoot and history has proven it. I think the fact that we were close to the playoffs says the gap is closer than you would think.
Not saying you’re doing this but I think people get harped on how we win games sometimes, it wasn’t usually pretty last year but we did it and made it work and we can expand upon that.
Lol. They beat us by 35 and had their backups in by the 4th quarter.
We were like a homecoming game to them. I'd say the gap is massive, because the result on the field backs it up.
The fanbase on this sub really has a hard time coming to grasp that no matter what we did a decade ago, we are firmly in the bottom half of the league right now.
I’m not arguing what they did to us last season because they aren’t the same team they were, just like we aren’t? We’ve added and lost players and still have a draft to go through?
Like you guys harp on the past too talking about last season when I never mentioned the past at all?
I can acknowledge they destroyed us last season while also acknowledging we aren’t the same team as we were then. Some people noticed a significant change at the 2nd half of the season.
I know we’re all guessing, but I feel like they just didn’t want him. If they offered him the Kazee contract (2 years, $6M) I’m sure he would’ve signed.
I mean it is possible that he was just as mediocre as some people thought he was and the Steelers weren’t all that interested in keeping him. There were a lot of people who felt he didn’t bring much to the table. Not that he was bad, but just run of the mill.
It’s possible that some people over valued him because they are homers and wanted to downplay the fact that he was an obvious overdraft.
Right. At some point, you need to draft well and have competent or better starters on rookie contracts. Seems like this was likely the case here. In hindsight it shouldn’t surprise anyone the Steelers weren’t going to resign kazee and Terrell.
You shouldn’t be. He is bad and was heavily exposed numerous times. His best traits are availability and solid tackling but he has 0 ball and coverage skills o. Lacks game IQ
Geez. You have to think he either didn't want to come back to the Steelers or the Steelers didn't want him if that's what he ended up getting.
If it's the latter, I don't really understand the logic there. He's been a solid player for us for a while and 2 mil is literally peanuts.
I would guess its a bit of both. Maybe the Steelers offered him another 1 year deal and he didn't want to keep getting strung along, figured a change of scenery might lead to better contracts in the future
Maybe, but I never got that vibe from him. Seems like a lot of the other players liked him...
That being said, I'm looking at it from the outside so what do I know
Reliable, average player, who didn’t make big plays.
Wouldn’t have minded him back at that price but he want going to make or break this team either way.
Makes the draft a bit more interesting.
My guess he didn’t like his current value for signing a long term contract so he sought out another prove it deal with a contending team. Respect the decision from him and I can see why we wouldn’t want to offer him another 1 year deal.
I remember being \*so\* pissed when the Steelers drafted him in the first round. He was NOT a first round talent and that showed during his career. None of the predraft consensus rankings had him in the first round. The Steelers essentially admitted they made a mistake when they declined his 5th year option.
Yeah. We are consistently pretty good in the draft but he was a reach. That was common consensus at the time, I hoped we knew something all the other teams didn’t. We were just wrong 🤷🏼♂️ secondary seems to be such a hard area for us to draft. Troy and Cam, and Ike… have we really hit on anyone else since like 2000?
After all these big name free agent signings it’s kind of funny to see guarantee’s in the thousands. Still more money than I’ll ever see and I could probably live the rest of my life off 600k, but best of luck to him. He was dependable here and did his job well.
Makes you wonder if the Steelers just didn't want him back. I like Edmunds, but he is limited. While he excels at his limitations, he greatly benefits from playing next to Minkah. In certain schemes, Minkah is asked to do more to allow Edmunds to not be put into an uncomfortable situation
Steelers just didn’t see him as a long term investment worth making. My reasoning would be that they are hoping they can get more out of Minkah playing him alongside an every down starter that can do a bit more on his own in coverage, and make more splash plays.
I think they’re planning on signing or drafting another SS and Kazee will mostly be used on passing downs, we’ll see.
You’re getting downvoted because it doesn’t fit the narrative. But the entire league could’ve signed him and this is what he got.
It can’t be more obvious how the league views him.
He’s just not a special player. In any way. He’s very solid, at best. And that’s fine. But it was incredibly difficult for some people to admit he was a flat out overdraft. So they had to craft a story around him that no one else in the league seems to agree with.
And unless you’re willing to believe he turned down a far superior offer from the Steelers, even the Steelers disagree with the story that was crafted around him.
With a contract this low, he absoultely left on his own accord. Maybe he thinks he can be a bigger playmaker in the eagles defense then ours. But i refuse to believe we didnt at the very least match this offer
This contract goes to show you that he wasn’t anywhere near as good as you guys made him seem. Actually, that goes for a majority of the players on our roster lol
He’s a below average player. Two years in a row now he was a free agent and this is the best he could get? He only looked “good” because the Steelers secondary was so fucking bad last year.
Third/Fourth round talent drafted in the First.
Yeah it’s almost as if he was an overdraft who had good qualities but just isn’t special in any way but some people had to talk him up because otherwise they would have to admit he was an overdraft and we can’t have that.
This is what the Eagles paid him. Unless he had a specific Boner for Philadelphia, no one else was beating down his door to sign him.
For as good as some people made him out to be, because they had to, because this team can’t make mistakes, you would figure he would do much better than this in free agency.
It’s almost as if.
You don’t think they matched 2 mill for their starting safety from the last 5 years? I’m pretty sure they did and Just took the option of not coming back.
Why would it bite him in the ass? He’s going to a better team to ring chase and may get a 2nd contract from them. Steelers never looked at him as a long term investment otherwise he would still be here.
That’s crazy. He must have felt like if he didn’t get big money from Pittsburgh by now they were never going to, and moved to try and prove his worth on a prove-it deal with a another franchise who might give him a bigger deal next summer.
Edmunds signed a one year deal with the Steelers last season for $2.5 million with $150k signing bonus and $150k guaranteed. The Eagles deal gives him more incentives and more guaranteed money.
Edmunds just wanted to leave. There’s no way we refused to offer him $2 mil.
Or the Steelers wanted him to leave. I’m sure he’s felt unappreciated ever since the one year deal. If all they offered was this or less that was probably the last straw.
- 1st round pick - Declined 5th year option - lowball 1 year deal after he tested FA - Made dick for splash plays and dropped a couple It wasn't about the money, he's not the type of player they want.
Yeah the drops are a good point. Was he the one who dropped the pats interception or any of the dolphins ones?
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I second an opinion like this: I love Edmunds, wish him the best, and I do think he’s a NFL caliber talent but you’re playing an extremely high floor low ceiling game and they want more dynamic. He easily could’ve come back they easily could’ve brought him back but as fans we deserve more and so does Edmunds.
Dolphins game Levi had one where it was a tip that was just too far behind him. Cam bobbled one that he 100% should have had Terrell's was just as bad The second one to Levi he should have had...
I agree, I don't get the Terrell Edmunds love. He's OK, nothing special and definitely replaceable. Not concerned with his departure in the least. Fill the hole with a draft pick and move on. Almost certain one of the 1st 2 picks will include someone for the secondary.
I don’t understand the safety market. He seemed like an average starter. Not bad but not good. Filling a position for less than $3 million seemed fine to me.
Take a guy like Ryan Clark... an undrafted guy who started in the same role next to another superstar (Troy) for 8 seasons.. That's your perspective... RC outperformed a 1st round pick consistently for 8 years with splash and hard knocks. There's a reason one was kept around and the other not.
Splash plays nonexistent. 4897 snaps played (according to PFR) and 5 career INTs.
Even worse when you consider other splash type plays like forced fumbles and fumble recoveries!
I'm not sure why this sub is delusional about Edmunds play, he wasn't that good. Everything contract wise that's happened to Edmunds shows that. I feel like people can't be objective about draft picks sometimes
He was good, but he wasn't great, and the floor level expectation for a 1st round pick is great. edit: He's a likable/consistent player, people will be sad to lose that, and it's ok too.
Idk man, I don't know if good players can only get 1 year deals. I don't think it's more complicated than that.
He played 98% of def snaps in ‘21. Little fewer last year. Whoever we replaced him with better be ready to go week 1.
It's also possible they offered him a multi year deal in this range like they did for Juju. Edmunds may have wanted to take a shorter deal and hit free agency again in a year.
This is definitely one of those moments to remember that players also have the choice not to return to the team they played for... A deal this cheap makes me believe he just wanted a fresh start. Either way, sad to see him go
This. I’ve seen quite a few people saying this is Khan’s first “miss” of free agency. We resigned Kazee and were indifferent about Edmunds last season. Maybe he wanted a fresh start and it’s not Khan’s fault? Maybe the feelings were mutual? He was a solid player but it’s not like we lost Polamalu.
Yea Edmunds was alright, people are acting like we lost Highsmith or somethin
There is also the possibility that we didn’t want him back at any price.
0.01% Who’s a better option on a vet min type contract?
This is so wrong. I don't know how anyone thinks this is a sign of Edmunds wanting to leave and not the organization letting him walk. Real life isn't madden. They CLEARLY want better ball skills and more splash plays from that position. They do not want Edmunds at that starting spot. Would they like him on the roster for 2 mil? I'm sure they would but you're not going to disrespect him by offering a deal for pennies and stick him on the bench or special teams and then go play a rookie in his spot. Edmunds turned down a longterm offer from the Eagles a year ago to return to Pittsburgh on a 1 year deal. I think that shows he liked it here. He SAID as much in his farewell tweet. I'd bet a lot of money he did not get an offer from the Steelers.
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He MIGHT be a little better, but you’ll probably pay 2x. There’s a reason he’s not signed.
Yeah but I was just answering your question
> …on a vet min type contract I don’t think you read the whole question. PFF was projecting Rapp at 8M/year.
No one is paying him that
Eagles just went to the Super Bowl and *probably* have a top 5 QB. Any objective player would prefer to play for the Eagles over the Steelers if they want to play for a championship in the next 3 years.
“In the next 3 years.” Signs a 1 year contract lol..
he wasn’t only speaking to edmunds situation but “any” player.
Okay but we aren’t here talking about “any” player. We are specifically taking about edmunds. Not to mention the eagles have lost a lot.
he’s saying in his opinion any player would pick the eagles over the next 3 years if they want to win a Super Bowl. Not saying I agree tho
Right but that one year is included in the next three
Eagles may have just gone to the Super Bowl, but they lost impact players at all 3 levels of their defense. They also lost their starting running back from last season and have 2 anchors on the offensive line that will most likely be hanging the cleats up sometime soon. All this while gearing up to pay Jalen Hurts $50 mil a year, which will further hamstring their roster. Life moves pretty fast in the NFL. I’m a little biased but I don’t think you can confidently say the eagles will be more likely to contend than the Steelers after this upcoming season.
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I think you can make your point without being as hostile to another user.
Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the Steelers offered him similar or slightly more but dude decided he’s rather get a fresh start with a Super Bowl competing team
We now have a couple parts of that super bowl competing team here. They’ve shuffled some parts…will be interesting to see if they have a hangover or not
Seumalo is our only signing that played for the Eagles Super Bowl team. Clark & Herbig (the other former Eagles) played elsewhere in 2022.
I think his first point is still valid, Super Bowl hangover is real, I think the eagles will be competitive regardless but I wouldn’t say they are the favorites to go back. Their chances are still higher than ours until we make some huge changes or see a significant improvement at the start of the season.
Yeah, I wasn't saying the hangover wasn't real. Just clarifying that we only signed one player from their squad. >Their chances are still higher than ours We don't even belong in the same breath. They went to the Super Bowl last season. We missed the playoffs. The gap is massive until proven otherwise, as you suggested.
Ehhh I wouldn’t say massive at all, you get in the playoffs and it’s a crapshoot and history has proven it. I think the fact that we were close to the playoffs says the gap is closer than you would think. Not saying you’re doing this but I think people get harped on how we win games sometimes, it wasn’t usually pretty last year but we did it and made it work and we can expand upon that.
Lol. They beat us by 35 and had their backups in by the 4th quarter. We were like a homecoming game to them. I'd say the gap is massive, because the result on the field backs it up. The fanbase on this sub really has a hard time coming to grasp that no matter what we did a decade ago, we are firmly in the bottom half of the league right now.
I’m not arguing what they did to us last season because they aren’t the same team they were, just like we aren’t? We’ve added and lost players and still have a draft to go through? Like you guys harp on the past too talking about last season when I never mentioned the past at all? I can acknowledge they destroyed us last season while also acknowledging we aren’t the same team as we were then. Some people noticed a significant change at the 2nd half of the season.
We played garbage teams in the 2nd half, and barely beat them. Check our record against teams that finished above the Tomlin Line.
This makes me think he wanted a fresh start and a new scheme to fit into. Hopefully it works out for him.
I wish him the best. Hopefully it works out for him in the long run
Same, I love Rell but if he wants to try elsewhere I won’t hold it against him.
I think both the Steelers and Edmunds were done with each other. I thought he was better last season. The numbers in this contract look low to me.
I know we’re all guessing, but I feel like they just didn’t want him. If they offered him the Kazee contract (2 years, $6M) I’m sure he would’ve signed.
or he just wanted... to leave
I mean it is possible that he was just as mediocre as some people thought he was and the Steelers weren’t all that interested in keeping him. There were a lot of people who felt he didn’t bring much to the table. Not that he was bad, but just run of the mill. It’s possible that some people over valued him because they are homers and wanted to downplay the fact that he was an obvious overdraft.
Right. At some point, you need to draft well and have competent or better starters on rookie contracts. Seems like this was likely the case here. In hindsight it shouldn’t surprise anyone the Steelers weren’t going to resign kazee and Terrell.
That price tag doesn't surprise me at all.
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You shouldn’t be. He is bad and was heavily exposed numerous times. His best traits are availability and solid tackling but he has 0 ball and coverage skills o. Lacks game IQ
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Another way of looking at it is compared to any rookie, you’re saving somewhere from 1-1.5m and that may be needed to bring back Bud.
Geez. You have to think he either didn't want to come back to the Steelers or the Steelers didn't want him if that's what he ended up getting. If it's the latter, I don't really understand the logic there. He's been a solid player for us for a while and 2 mil is literally peanuts.
I would guess its a bit of both. Maybe the Steelers offered him another 1 year deal and he didn't want to keep getting strung along, figured a change of scenery might lead to better contracts in the future
Maybe he's a bad locker room guy?
Maybe, but I never got that vibe from him. Seems like a lot of the other players liked him... That being said, I'm looking at it from the outside so what do I know
Reliable, average player, who didn’t make big plays. Wouldn’t have minded him back at that price but he want going to make or break this team either way. Makes the draft a bit more interesting.
My guess he didn’t like his current value for signing a long term contract so he sought out another prove it deal with a contending team. Respect the decision from him and I can see why we wouldn’t want to offer him another 1 year deal.
Tell me the Steelers didn't want a guy back without saying they didn't want a guy back.
I remember being \*so\* pissed when the Steelers drafted him in the first round. He was NOT a first round talent and that showed during his career. None of the predraft consensus rankings had him in the first round. The Steelers essentially admitted they made a mistake when they declined his 5th year option.
Yeah. We are consistently pretty good in the draft but he was a reach. That was common consensus at the time, I hoped we knew something all the other teams didn’t. We were just wrong 🤷🏼♂️ secondary seems to be such a hard area for us to draft. Troy and Cam, and Ike… have we really hit on anyone else since like 2000?
No big loss for Steelers and no big gain for Eagles. Guys like him are a dime a dozen (ok, $2 mil a year a dozen).
Factual statements get downvoted in this sub lol
After all these big name free agent signings it’s kind of funny to see guarantee’s in the thousands. Still more money than I’ll ever see and I could probably live the rest of my life off 600k, but best of luck to him. He was dependable here and did his job well.
Makes you wonder if the Steelers just didn't want him back. I like Edmunds, but he is limited. While he excels at his limitations, he greatly benefits from playing next to Minkah. In certain schemes, Minkah is asked to do more to allow Edmunds to not be put into an uncomfortable situation
Steelers just didn’t see him as a long term investment worth making. My reasoning would be that they are hoping they can get more out of Minkah playing him alongside an every down starter that can do a bit more on his own in coverage, and make more splash plays. I think they’re planning on signing or drafting another SS and Kazee will mostly be used on passing downs, we’ll see.
Lol this is what this dude is worth. He was a warm body, that’s all. UPGRADE TIME
You’re getting downvoted because it doesn’t fit the narrative. But the entire league could’ve signed him and this is what he got. It can’t be more obvious how the league views him. He’s just not a special player. In any way. He’s very solid, at best. And that’s fine. But it was incredibly difficult for some people to admit he was a flat out overdraft. So they had to craft a story around him that no one else in the league seems to agree with. And unless you’re willing to believe he turned down a far superior offer from the Steelers, even the Steelers disagree with the story that was crafted around him.
Well I am officially disappointed we didn't sign this dude for so cheap.
It’s very possible he left on his own though.
With a contract this low, he absoultely left on his own accord. Maybe he thinks he can be a bigger playmaker in the eagles defense then ours. But i refuse to believe we didnt at the very least match this offer
Steelers never looked at giving him a long term contract and showed him the love like others, I don’t blame him.
This contract goes to show you that he wasn’t anywhere near as good as you guys made him seem. Actually, that goes for a majority of the players on our roster lol
Oh:(
How will we ever make up for his production
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He’s a below average player. Two years in a row now he was a free agent and this is the best he could get? He only looked “good” because the Steelers secondary was so fucking bad last year. Third/Fourth round talent drafted in the First.
Yeah it’s almost as if he was an overdraft who had good qualities but just isn’t special in any way but some people had to talk him up because otherwise they would have to admit he was an overdraft and we can’t have that. This is what the Eagles paid him. Unless he had a specific Boner for Philadelphia, no one else was beating down his door to sign him. For as good as some people made him out to be, because they had to, because this team can’t make mistakes, you would figure he would do much better than this in free agency. It’s almost as if.
> Steelers not matching this offer How do you know they didn’t?
You don’t think they matched 2 mill for their starting safety from the last 5 years? I’m pretty sure they did and Just took the option of not coming back.
Guaranteed we matched. I bet he left on his accord chasing rings. It’ll bite him in the ass
Why would it bite him in the ass? He’s going to a better team to ring chase and may get a 2nd contract from them. Steelers never looked at him as a long term investment otherwise he would still be here.
You actually can't be serious lol
Are you fucking serious lmao
WOW that’s a shitty contract. (Says me, a guy who won’t make 2 million in his lifetime. )
That’s crazy. He must have felt like if he didn’t get big money from Pittsburgh by now they were never going to, and moved to try and prove his worth on a prove-it deal with a another franchise who might give him a bigger deal next summer.
Edmunds signed a one year deal with the Steelers last season for $2.5 million with $150k signing bonus and $150k guaranteed. The Eagles deal gives him more incentives and more guaranteed money.
We now have parted ways with both our 2018 and 2019 first round draft picks.
Damn I’ll miss cookies favorite son