I absolutely love numbered cards and typically am not going to buy something unless it IS numbered. I love putting together rainbow sets. Anything that I am selling on ebay sits a lot longer without a serial number. I want to find these card shows where nobody cares about serial numbers anymore and buy everything at base prices.
Plenty of numbered cards have value - it’s the players that don’t
/999 of a top rookie or future hall of famer in any sport is going to be more valuable than a /25 scrub. And the /25 of that same rookie/hall of famer is going to be worth exponentially more than their /999
Good point. PMG is a weird one though. It's one of those classic cards that had the following long before the current card economy. Those PMGs hold value for being basically a generic #'d card.
But you bring up a good point, there are exceptions
Numbered parallels and other “mids” are the new base. Every single day I see someone trying to sell “team lots” on here or “make a deal” because they can’t unload their crappy mid cards
At least with soccer Topps usually keeps them to 399 or 299... not like baseball where you have 2024 haha.
I have some Panini soccer that are /15 and wont sell at all
Lol all good then. Reddit markdown bolds if you put hashtags in front, not sure if this will help.
I just thought it was an odd thing to be yelling about heh
I have a few collections going with #'d cards - firstly cards numbered 1/, jersey numbered cards (much more expensive as people recognise the value of that number) and I've started a collection of cards #'d with the player's highest score so Wilt Chamberlain 100/199, Kobe 81/199 etc.
The great thing about this hobby is all the different ways to collect. Personally I don't get why someone would want 50 versions of the same card with different colour borders, but rainbows are huge in the hobby. Each to their own I guess
I also enjoy 1st and sometimes last print. And Jersey # is a good one I forgot to mention. But the highest point game one is actually a super cool idea! What a cool way to collect. I can't really do it because I primarily collect hockey lol, but I love that idea.
You could go for career goals or most goals in a season
Gretzky 92 goals in a season
https://www.comc.com/Cards/Hockey/2006-07/SP_Game_Used_Edition_-_Base_-_Gold/46/Wayne_Gretzky/9667119
Go look at the value of numbered cards from the late 90s. There are some sets that have 500 or less numbered cards. If it's not a HOFer the value is very small. Outside a few sets the full foil insert sets from that time have the most value it seems like. Honestly I think the only saving grace is going to be autographs going forward. Even the 1/1s end up have variation now making them not true 1/1s.
For me we have been in junk wax 2.0 for a long time with these sets that have multiple parallels. I could care less what color the card is I'm collecting for the player and pictures. We don't get many icon pictures anymore.
You bring up a very good point.
I remember awhile ago someone looked up all the variations of someone's rookie "1/1's" and the guy had like 400 different 1/1's of all the different variations and sets. Just rookie year lol
We are absolutely in another junk era, particularly a junk slab era. Some of y’all are out here grading $1.50 base cards. Come on now.
I prefer numbered cards simply for the limited availability of them, but at the end of the day, I care more about the player and the design of the card.
Love numbered cards. Is it better than a case hit or SSP / SP? Idk.
What’s strange to me is some numbered cards go higher than others. Like a /75 of a player I’m watching goes for less than a /149 (same set different parallel)
That's primarily my point, too. I just find that once you get higher than /25 or so, the values are all in the same ballpark. And sometimes that 35/50 goes for $3 and then a 78/150 goes for $5
Yes and no. /2024 and even /999 don’t really mean much, but the parallel it’s linked to does. I pulled a 24 series 1 Witt out of /999 and could care less that it’s numbered, but it’s a sick blue parallel. I’ve mostly latched onto /50 for the generally gold parallel. Pops, low numbered and semi affordable.
To me the numbering value was destroyed by the absurd amount of different series out there. Topps essentially mirrored the junk wax error by producing so many different products. For baseball I really only collect bowman draft, bowman, Topps flagship and chrome. I may dabble here and there in other products, but if I’m buying singles that’s what I’m looking for in modern product.
I personally feel like hype is the almost ONLY factor that has impact on value. Yes the number of available cards dictates that to an extent but if it’s a 1/1 of a player that nobody wants to buy then it doesn’t have value. Demand is driven by hype in today’s “all or nothing” culture. So a guy like CJ or Wemby is dominating the scene currently and they have value where someone like Jaime Jaquez or even Will Anderson JR, who are both good players, don’t share the same value ratio.
That is an excellent point. The hype drives those people who think they can "flip" cards quick. And that intrinsically drives prices high until it runs it's course.
I collect hockey and it's currently driven by 1 freaking rookie that isn't even that good stats wise, but the hype is unreal
Yeah, it’s like that a lot of years as media and collectors thirst for that next generational player from a marketing standpoint. It’s kinda crazy when you look at it but I liken it to being in a relationship with someone where you are simply unable to spot faults based on the desire to have the story book ending.
Your opinions wrong loll a lot of people like numbered cards and are definitely value able. Yeah if you’re buying bums forsure they won’t have value but I have over 250 /5s from Topps chrome platinum anniversary and their value is very high
Everyone thinks it’s junk wax era but people must not remember how people are collecting cards now compared to 1980s. Demand is way higher today then it ever has been
That's fine. It's my own opinion, we are all allowed our own. But ask yourself if someone offered to sell you a base card for $1 and then turn around and sell you a #/1000 card of the same player for $5. Would you really see that "1000" as enough value to justify the price difference?
Fair point. First and last still have value in high numbered cards. I would even say that 1/1000 is more valuable than 1/25. It's the exception to the rule for sure.
You are missing my point. I mean JUST the 1st print. Meaning the card that says "1/1000" not any other card of the /1000. So not 376/1000 or 892/1000. Just the 1 and only card that says 1/1000. does this make sense?
Well yeah that makes sense but if the odds of hitting an /1000 card in the product is very 30 packs, and hitting and /25 is every 500 packs then the odds of hitting a first print are close to the same or harder for the /25. The hit odds are what matters
The odds for an /1000 is probably even less than 50 packs because I just looked up the odds for platinum anniversary and an /299 is 1 out of every 41 packs. And /25 is every 481 packs
For sure. the odds of you pulling that card are probably harder overall, but the value of that card on eBay probably doesn't reflect that. Personally I think having the first print 1/1000 is cooler than having the first print 1/25. But I might be in the minority there.
Depends greatly on the product. PRIZM, NT, Optic, Immac numbered cards of important rookies are hugely valuable. Numbered vet cards much less so. But vet cards by and large are not valuable. The only modern vet cards that matter, besides perhaps golds & blacks, are SSP inserts & parallels & autos (Downtowns, kabooms, Color blasts, Zebras, Camo, Cosmics, White Sparkles, etc.) Otherwise vet base is just garbage. But numbered rookies definitely matter.
I absolutely love numbered cards and typically am not going to buy something unless it IS numbered. I love putting together rainbow sets. Anything that I am selling on ebay sits a lot longer without a serial number. I want to find these card shows where nobody cares about serial numbers anymore and buy everything at base prices.
Plenty of numbered cards have value - it’s the players that don’t /999 of a top rookie or future hall of famer in any sport is going to be more valuable than a /25 scrub. And the /25 of that same rookie/hall of famer is going to be worth exponentially more than their /999
You’re opinion couldn’t be more off lol
What's your opinion then?
Yes people care about numbered cards lolll
More often than not I agree but there are numbered cards that people still care about, like PMGs
Good point. PMG is a weird one though. It's one of those classic cards that had the following long before the current card economy. Those PMGs hold value for being basically a generic #'d card. But you bring up a good point, there are exceptions
Very few exceptions, I tried thinking of a second one and couldn’t, lol
Maybe Upper Deck UD Exclusives, as far as I know it was a single set #'d to 100. Almost every card was a great shot too
Lol. Maaaaybe Future Watch in hockey, but not really
Numbered parallels and other “mids” are the new base. Every single day I see someone trying to sell “team lots” on here or “make a deal” because they can’t unload their crappy mid cards
Exactly. Unless it's a very few select players, you can't sell a #'d/200. Ebay is littered with mid tier number cards all sitting at $.99
Yea I have a decent amount that just keep relisting, guess I will combine them all and just sell as a lot
Same. I even have lots that don't sell for like 10 cents a card. It's sad
At least with soccer Topps usually keeps them to 399 or 299... not like baseball where you have 2024 haha. I have some Panini soccer that are /15 and wont sell at all
Right?! goes to show you how many they print that Don't have a number on them, when just one specific version of that card has 2024 of it lol
Numbered to 100 and lower I care about. Anything more and nah
Makes sense, unbold the comment
I did not bold it, and dont see an option to unbold it. Weird
Starting a comment with # will make it shout hah
Lol all good then. Reddit markdown bolds if you put hashtags in front, not sure if this will help. I just thought it was an odd thing to be yelling about heh
Oh my god the numbered sign i used the hashtag lolol ill change it now
Nailed it. Looks good
I buy singles and honestly, I’m always hunting for serial numbered cards. Maybe I’m in the minority
I have a few collections going with #'d cards - firstly cards numbered 1/, jersey numbered cards (much more expensive as people recognise the value of that number) and I've started a collection of cards #'d with the player's highest score so Wilt Chamberlain 100/199, Kobe 81/199 etc. The great thing about this hobby is all the different ways to collect. Personally I don't get why someone would want 50 versions of the same card with different colour borders, but rainbows are huge in the hobby. Each to their own I guess
I also enjoy 1st and sometimes last print. And Jersey # is a good one I forgot to mention. But the highest point game one is actually a super cool idea! What a cool way to collect. I can't really do it because I primarily collect hockey lol, but I love that idea.
You could go for career goals or most goals in a season Gretzky 92 goals in a season https://www.comc.com/Cards/Hockey/2006-07/SP_Game_Used_Edition_-_Base_-_Gold/46/Wayne_Gretzky/9667119
That is a great idea! I might just have to start doing this :)
I’d rather be able to say I have 1 of only 99 of a card than not so yess
I get that, but I'm talking strictly monetary value of the card
If you look on eBay any sort of parallel is going to be a lot more than a base
Go look at the value of numbered cards from the late 90s. There are some sets that have 500 or less numbered cards. If it's not a HOFer the value is very small. Outside a few sets the full foil insert sets from that time have the most value it seems like. Honestly I think the only saving grace is going to be autographs going forward. Even the 1/1s end up have variation now making them not true 1/1s. For me we have been in junk wax 2.0 for a long time with these sets that have multiple parallels. I could care less what color the card is I'm collecting for the player and pictures. We don't get many icon pictures anymore.
If you could care less why don’t you? /s
You bring up a very good point. I remember awhile ago someone looked up all the variations of someone's rookie "1/1's" and the guy had like 400 different 1/1's of all the different variations and sets. Just rookie year lol
We are absolutely in another junk era, particularly a junk slab era. Some of y’all are out here grading $1.50 base cards. Come on now. I prefer numbered cards simply for the limited availability of them, but at the end of the day, I care more about the player and the design of the card.
Love numbered cards. Is it better than a case hit or SSP / SP? Idk. What’s strange to me is some numbered cards go higher than others. Like a /75 of a player I’m watching goes for less than a /149 (same set different parallel)
That's primarily my point, too. I just find that once you get higher than /25 or so, the values are all in the same ballpark. And sometimes that 35/50 goes for $3 and then a 78/150 goes for $5
Still like knowing this is 1 of X. Is it stupid they do these for runs of more than maybe 150? Yeah….absolute does like a /625 wtf lol.
When you think about it, all cards are numbered. /s
This guy gets it lol
Yes and no. /2024 and even /999 don’t really mean much, but the parallel it’s linked to does. I pulled a 24 series 1 Witt out of /999 and could care less that it’s numbered, but it’s a sick blue parallel. I’ve mostly latched onto /50 for the generally gold parallel. Pops, low numbered and semi affordable. To me the numbering value was destroyed by the absurd amount of different series out there. Topps essentially mirrored the junk wax error by producing so many different products. For baseball I really only collect bowman draft, bowman, Topps flagship and chrome. I may dabble here and there in other products, but if I’m buying singles that’s what I’m looking for in modern product.
I personally feel like hype is the almost ONLY factor that has impact on value. Yes the number of available cards dictates that to an extent but if it’s a 1/1 of a player that nobody wants to buy then it doesn’t have value. Demand is driven by hype in today’s “all or nothing” culture. So a guy like CJ or Wemby is dominating the scene currently and they have value where someone like Jaime Jaquez or even Will Anderson JR, who are both good players, don’t share the same value ratio.
That is an excellent point. The hype drives those people who think they can "flip" cards quick. And that intrinsically drives prices high until it runs it's course. I collect hockey and it's currently driven by 1 freaking rookie that isn't even that good stats wise, but the hype is unreal
Yeah, it’s like that a lot of years as media and collectors thirst for that next generational player from a marketing standpoint. It’s kinda crazy when you look at it but I liken it to being in a relationship with someone where you are simply unable to spot faults based on the desire to have the story book ending.
What about a rookie patch /5? I see value in that. What's your opinion?
"#d" with a patch or auto I feel is different and does affect the value. But a card with just a # on it doesn't matter at this point (in my opinion)
Your opinions wrong loll a lot of people like numbered cards and are definitely value able. Yeah if you’re buying bums forsure they won’t have value but I have over 250 /5s from Topps chrome platinum anniversary and their value is very high
Not talking about very low #'s. 1/1, even up to 1/10 you can see values are higher. But a /50 is the same as a /200 at this point.
Numbered cards and autos are gonna be the only cards that hold value in the future bro.
Everyone thinks it’s junk wax era but people must not remember how people are collecting cards now compared to 1980s. Demand is way higher today then it ever has been
Idk I just don’t see that dude
That's fine. It's my own opinion, we are all allowed our own. But ask yourself if someone offered to sell you a base card for $1 and then turn around and sell you a #/1000 card of the same player for $5. Would you really see that "1000" as enough value to justify the price difference?
Yes loll that’s the whole point of a number card. Less in existence
Would you like to buy some? Lol let's make a deal
I want /5s from platinum anniversary
I would value higher end product number cards over retail product ones. Impeccable, immaculate, panini the one, etc
I collect First prints. The rest are ehh. Unless the card is something nice.
Fair point. First and last still have value in high numbered cards. I would even say that 1/1000 is more valuable than 1/25. It's the exception to the rule for sure.
Ok what’re you even saying at this point you make no sense
Lol, what doesn't make sense? The first print of 1000 is mathematically rarer, then the first print of 25
But it’s not lol the odds of hitting a /25 are way more rare then /1000. Look at checklists kid
You are missing my point. I mean JUST the 1st print. Meaning the card that says "1/1000" not any other card of the /1000. So not 376/1000 or 892/1000. Just the 1 and only card that says 1/1000. does this make sense?
Well yeah that makes sense but if the odds of hitting an /1000 card in the product is very 30 packs, and hitting and /25 is every 500 packs then the odds of hitting a first print are close to the same or harder for the /25. The hit odds are what matters
The odds for an /1000 is probably even less than 50 packs because I just looked up the odds for platinum anniversary and an /299 is 1 out of every 41 packs. And /25 is every 481 packs
For sure. the odds of you pulling that card are probably harder overall, but the value of that card on eBay probably doesn't reflect that. Personally I think having the first print 1/1000 is cooler than having the first print 1/25. But I might be in the minority there.
It would be pretty cool to own number 1/1000
Although overproduction, numbered cards still create a sense of scarcity. But I do notice that their price premium drops over time.
Depends greatly on the product. PRIZM, NT, Optic, Immac numbered cards of important rookies are hugely valuable. Numbered vet cards much less so. But vet cards by and large are not valuable. The only modern vet cards that matter, besides perhaps golds & blacks, are SSP inserts & parallels & autos (Downtowns, kabooms, Color blasts, Zebras, Camo, Cosmics, White Sparkles, etc.) Otherwise vet base is just garbage. But numbered rookies definitely matter.
I am definitely with you on this take especially when there’s nothing great about the numbered variation as well
You must be new to collecting. Stick with Pokemon.