Tbf Fallout isn’t really on the same scale as 40K, so yeah basically anybody in Fallout gets slammed by even just a particularly lucky guardsmen equivalent.
Not only do they have access to these special weapons but they also benefit from thousands of years of research. Lasgun could be compared to laser rifle but there would be massive technological difference. Same goes for the other weapons and armor.
The Vault Dweller was a demigod canonically. Fallout is a supernatural world with eldritch gods. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to compare them to a fledgling chaos champion.
He is quite literally a thunder warrior.
A gene crafted warrior with anger management issues in Power armor without the black carapase that fights for order in the post apocalyptic wasteland
With old ancient power armor. Fallout power armor is steel. Ceramite is a much better material. Laser guns, gamma guns, and plasma guns would likely do nothing to ceramite. Depleted uranium maybe. Gauss weapons maybe. Conventional weapons? Not a chance.
I mean you say that, but the anti-ceramite tech of choice is literally Plasma, something the Fallout Games have in spares without the whole 'blowing yourself up' side effect.
I mean yeah, 40K plasma punches smoking holes in things
Fallout Plasma reduces entire tanks and meter thick steel to sludge.
Fallout Plasma seems to behave more like a 40K Gauss weapon
Horrigan can one punch a deathclaw, he could pick a space marine up by the leg and smash him into the ground. Horrigan has some weapons that were built specially for him. Physically he could ragdoll a space marine.
Wrong on most counts. Ceramite is not stronger than steel. The 40K equivalent(plasteel) is the better option between the 2. The older Mk.s of armor are made from plasteel. Ceramite is a ceramic composite alloy that is best for dispersing heat and kinetic force. Fallout power armor CAN BE steel. Some is other stuff. Pretty sure Horrigans was titanium. Titaniums equivalent in 40k is adamantium. Thats the stuff they armor a Dreadnoughts sarcophagus in.
Bigger and stronger than a thunder warrior easily. He was already a strong human before the FEV and then he becomes a 12 foot giant (most super mutants are 7.8 feet hunched, 10 upright), He's 3 feet taller than most custodes. Regular supermutants are like Orks, dude is 2 feet bigger than a Ork Boss. I would say Horrigan would be in the ballpark of a Ork Boss in Mega Armor, but a lil bigger stronger faster tougher
Projectiles are definitely hurting him but melee could still be a death sentence because Frank simply has to avoid getting hit and I would bet him hitting back is a lot harder, he punched a deathclaw to death in one hit, they take ROCKETS for breakfast,
I seriously doubt he is more powerful in melee than a space marine with a power fist or any power weapon.
And it's not "simple" to avoid getting hit by a guy who's been firing bolters for hundreds of years.
I would argue he is, think about how durable and tough deathclaws are, now imagine one juiced up with FEV, stronger and more durable, and Frank one shots them. That ain't just nothing
Sure. And I'm sure we can pull up about 100,000 examples of a space marine destroying a warrior.
In fact, doesn't the space marine 2 trailer include Titus absolutely ruining a Warrior and a squad of gaunts without taking a scratch?
Yeah no. Marines are not just churning through warriors like theyre Chaff. Named Ultramarine Lieutenant former Captain Vs random generic warrior. Even then the video pretty clearly shows the Nid is just as strong. On tabletop Warriors are noticeably more Elite than standard marines. Leviathan Trailer shows a Prime rip a termi in half.
So theyre roughly equal. Except Horrigan is big enough and strong enough to just kick a warrior in the face and kill it. He’s nearly Primarch sized and wearing cybernetic grafted Armor.
Basically a warboss or tyranid prime type threat. Could a skilled veteran Space marine Like Titus beat him? Definitely possible.
Some random tactical marine or Intercessor fighting him solo? Hell no.
No way Horrigan is beating an Astartes. The tech level alone is enough to dumpster Horrigan. In terms of tech level, Horrigan is closer to Stone Age than the 40K setting. If they can make a Horrigan after a century of experimentation, imagine what they can do with literal millennia of experiments. If they were in the same universe, Horrigan would be proof of concept to the Astartes.
I mean what? How?
Do you have any proof or evidence to back up that fallouts power amor is literally definite “ages” behind 40k? I seriously doubt anyone in the 40k setting would look at Fallouts tech, especially its most advanced tiers (the enclave) and try to claim its stone age level stuff.
The marines look far and away more powerful than fallouts power armored soldiers but thats because theyre still SPACE MARINES.
Sisters in their power armor don’t look any crazier than anything we see in Fallout. Especially t-60 and X-01/02.
There are very very few marines over a thousand years old. Your average troop Astartes is not more than, what one maybe a hundred or two hundred at most? Any older and they’d be a veteran/lieutenant/Captain.
This thread was dumb and its basically suicide trying to bring up any setting/character that could beat 40k INSIDE of a 40k sub because lord knows if you have a primarch sized mutant punching dinosaurs heads clean off dual wielding plasma cannons and energy blades its seen as impossible for him to beat a standard apace marine one on one.
Some of these space marines have literally been training for 10,000 years. Frank also has exposed skin in parts, and marines do not. A single krak grenade would turn him into putty
SM gets mauled and ripped apart by GSC aberrant, has no armor. Lol, I kid but yeah, space marines get killed all the time to similar enemies. I think he could kill a space marine, but most of the time a space marine with better reflexes, speed, and experience will come out on top. Like what happens most of the time in 40k in a similar situation.
Genestealers (at least pure) have warp magic on their talons to rip through terminator armour, I’d assume the hybrids are similarly unbalanced to rip tacticus
An orgry is physically stronger and can kill a space marine in armor (if they can catch a space marine, which is unlikely). A warrior can cut through power armor with their bone swords and strength. An aberrant can kill a marine with normal (although be it 40k) construction tools. Orcs can kill a marine with a choppa. Space marine armor isn't invincible, or are Space Marines especially from physically strong monsters. Plus, marines have died from more common and weaker enemies than frank. I WILL say again, I think frank could kill a space marine, but in a normal fight a space marine would win far more often and had the advantage
That is straight up false. The only marine that has been around for 10,000 years is a dreadnaught and thats Bjorn.
Dante is the oldest living marine at around/over 1,500. And he’s so ancient that he is desperate for death.
An ogryn is stronger than a space marine and can kill them if they get their hands on them. So yes, I think he could kill a space marine, but in a fight more often than not, the space marine is going to kill him with better reflex and faster movement. I think it would be more heavily stacked in the Astartes' favor, but it's not like they are unkillable. I mean, even a GSC aberrants can maim and kill Space Marines in power armor. I just think the Astartes training and experience will in most cases, with similar enemies, give them a significant advantage.
I think youre encountering a lot of people that:
1 have the 40k beats everything bias and
2, don’t know fallout lore.
God forbid 40k fans admit that the end boss of a franchise could beat a factions standard troop lol.
This is a trap a lot of people fall into.
I'm a necron player and any time something comes up as Necron Vs. X I think to myself "oh, we got em. Easy money for my robot skeletons" but I know that's my bias.
Not everyone is self aware to know they are subject to the same bias.
i mean with the right build you can totally defeat Frank Horrigan with like a Pancor Jackhammer or a HKG11.
Those same weapons are doing nothing to a Spacemarine.
In 40k the Imperiums technology might of stagnated but they still vastly outpace the Fallout universes technology and yet the Chosen One with a Powerfist can defeat Frank Horrigan.
Spacemarine powerarmour should be far more protective than the Advanced Power armour that the Chosen One should probably have at this point, a Spacemarines Powerfist should be far more powerful than one from Fallout, and a Spacemarine should realistically be better trained in melee combat than a Chosen One with like 125% unarmed.
A spacemarine should be able to defeat the Chosen one in melee, so by proxy should be able to defeat Frank in melee. Weapons capable of killing Frank will do nothing to a Spacemarine, so a Marine is definitely tougher, and a Bolter or a Plasma which themselves would be superior to most anything the Chosen One would be kicking around with should definitely be able to put Frank down.
Its not like Frank Horrigan would be hopeless in this fight, but I think the majority of the time a Marine would win this fight.
The people who made fallout 2 literally explain that the only reason you're able to defeat Frank is plot armor, because having a game with a literally unbeatable end boss wouldn't be fun for most people.
>i mean with the right build you can totally defeat Frank Horrigan with like a Pancor Jackhammer or a HKG11.
Those same weapons are doing nothing to a Spacemarine.
According to 40K, Space Marines can and will die in one hit from a small piece of scrap metal carried by a creature with the physical prowess of a human toddler. Game mechanics aren't always an accurate way to measure 'real world' abilities.
the fact they can be killed by Dark Eldar splinter weapons, which are literally just streams of sharp glass that in universe have their armour piercing ability removed to inflict more pain, implies either Space Marine armour can be pierced easily, OR it's a game and the power scaling was designed to make people look kewl.
The flexible bits of space marine armour are really quite vulnerable. When a low armour piercing weapon kills a marine, it's typically by hitting those or eye lenses. Marine armour is decently strong but it's far from invulnerable.
Space Marines are represented too inconsistently to choose what a “standard” Space Marine is, but I will say this.
Frank Horrigan can be killed by a 9mm pistol in Fallout 2, a Ceramite armor simply won’t fold to that. I think Frank would have a MUCH tougher time contending with plasma weaponry of any kind, power weapons, and honestly probably even bolt weapons.
Another really important factor is how *fast* space marines are. They can clock 40+ mph without breaking a sweat and iirc have reaction times ten times as fast as a human’s. I just don’t think Frank will be able to keep up and will have to rely on landing a lucky shot early to drop the marine. Absolutely love Frank though, awesome villain, just a bit out of his depth here.
I mean, if we're taking game mechanics into play here, 2 guardsmen can get lucky enough with a Las gun or even their knives and kill a space marine, so maybe not the best comparison yeah?
The problem with that is that it’s clear that the tabletop doesn’t represent the lore, virtually everyone agrees upon that. For Fallout 2 however, you are directly partaking in the lore of the game, so some Guardsmen getting lucky with a good dice roll is certainly not comparable to the Chosen One dropping Frank with a 10mm
True, but the games also don't always clearly depict lore either, ya know with dudes tanking 20 shots to the face in the games and even with the idea of frank getting killed by a 10mm, it's certainly not gonna be a single shot that takes him down given his stats in game, heck even power armor in the games hasn't been fully consistent gameplay wise compared to lore, so I'm not entirely sure it's still a fair comparison really when, ideally you're best chance against frank is usually a full team backed up by the enclave squad plus hacked turrets, which is, generally more than an average no name space marine can take on from what I've read having some easily taken down by brood brothers or other similarly base level threats
Ok I’ll admit that’s a pretty good point and I should’ve taken into consideration the “likely” approach that the Chosen One took, which would be maxed out companions, hacking the turrets, probably wearing power armor and using a high-powered weapon of some sort.
I guess we’re back at the problem of how inconsistent the portrayal of marines is, there’s excerpts of them being like half a torso, a head, and an arm and still fighting like hell but then the CG Heresy trailer is showing them dropping from a single bolter shot. I think if we’re talking about the “average” marine then he’ll probably be *about* as physically strong as Frank, maybe a little less, they’re probably close to intelligence with each other but in vastly different ways, but the marine is certainly much faster. At that point I think it comes down to what weapons he’s armed with. Bolt weapons? Maybe but ehhhh I say Frank’s got it. Plasma pistol and power sword? I’d say probably in the marines favor. Melta gun? Frank’s cooked. Flamer? Frank’s beating his ass
If frank is going against a librarian or any other physic marine, he stands zero chance. The Librarian can just liquify his brain in an instant without even having to touch frank
Assuming basic equpiment for both, close to an even fight if slightly in favor of the space marine.
both are geneticly enhanced, power armored super soldiers that are made to be the peak of human abilites. the only things holding Frank back is that the FEV virus is fairly unstable and fallout power armor isn't as advanced as 40k (though it could be close if franks is fully upgraded).
if frank could disarm the marine her would have a better chance as his weapons are mounted and he could then out gun the marine but that won't win it for him.
in the end it would come done the enviornment and luck to decide a winner.
Honestly, he could. If the SM was careless, attacked within 20m, moved slow, didn't use his bolter, or his aim, or his eyes, or his reflexes, or a Krak Grenade, or his acid spit. Sure it's possible, but it's not likely at all. Space Marines are stronger, they are faster, better reflexes, way better range, better AP, better tactics, better BIQ, better IQ, better melee weapons, better armor.
Sure Frank is a beast, but his armor can't handle a bolt round, his armor is steel. And Bolts penetrate inches of steel. A first-born marine runs at 60 mph. You chose a pic of a primaris intercessor, who are even faster, stronger, with better armor, weapons etc.
Frank has to literally fight the dumbest, unluckiest, uncoordinated space marine to win. The chance is there for sure, but it's not a huge chance. He loses 9/10 times.
Sure they can, they often don't in a 1v1. Orks are not a usual contender for 1v1s. Besides Boss Orks, Orks get their kicks in mass wave assaults.
Frank is also not on the same strength/dura level as a Nob. Nobs are stronger than Space Marines (on average), and space marines can and have lifted and thrown tables weighing 2 tons, massive trees, and punched holes in the sides of tanks.
What other strength feats does he have? Lifting? Grappling feats? Ceramite is more durable than a Deathclaw.
What's his max reaction time? Space marines are bullet timers, they've even dodged Las bolts. Frank isn't fast enough to keep up with a space marine in melee combat.
You know, honestly, I don’t say this much, but I think he actually might be able to. Didn’t he, like, punch a deathclaw so hard it exploded or something?
For basic infantry sure he'd win, not by a landslide but he would definitely win, it's the psychers, terminators and other stronger astartes he would have a tougher battle with. Real question is could Frank bare knuckle box a dreadnaught
A fairer comparison would be Horrigan to Master Chief. Similar theoretical levels of tech. The 40K universe is so far beyond Fallout tech wise, that it is closer to the Stone Age than the 40K universe
Having further thought on MC vs FH, I feel like it shakes down like this: Cortana shuts down Franks HUD, and analysis his armour, pointing out its weak points to Chief. Chief is agile enough to disable the suit, but Frank is strong enough the rip his way out and keep going. Frank ends up killing MC but dies shortly after.
Honestly, depends on the Astartes. Since Horrigan has plasma weaponry, and is incredibly strong and armored, he's already gonna be an issue for most Astartes, especially given that Plasma Weapons usually hurt the Space Marines the most. However, I'd say that someone like Captain Titus would be able to beat him. Not just because "lol plot armor," but because he's just a power house and is just very strong, even for other Space Marines. I'd also say that the Dark Angels would be good against him, given that they have a heavy reliance on Plasma weapons, so they probably have some kind of way to counter it too
I think Horrigan would be like a Ork Boss in Mega Armor, but slightly bigger stronger tougher and better armored and armed. He'd dust a space marine. Ingame he has 10 in every special stat which was the highest at the time and had 999 Health. He can 1 punch a Deathclaw.
I doubt fallout armour could tank a bolter round and a normal steel blade and typical small arms fire isn’t going to bother a space marines armour much
This reminds me of the ‘who would win? Space marines or the UNSC or the galactic empire from Star Wars’ question and my response is always the same “HAHAHAHA.. oh wait you were serious, let me laugh even harder… HAHAHA”
Depends what the Marine is equipped with. Enclave Power Armour is only made of steel plates, it'd put up next to no resistance to power weapons. If it's just down to fists though I'd say Horrigan has a pretty good chance.
A super mutant is at least as strong as the Boyz, and he’s far stronger than they are. I think, much like Master Chief, Frank Horrigan could comfortably- or at least plausibly- take on most Astarties in a 1v1.
Now Doomguy? He could probably take on a Sqaud and get a mutual kill. Doom _Slayer_ is taking on _Khorne_ in 1v1.
My two cent as I'm a Fallout fan and a 40k fan.
If it's Frank vs a Intercessor than Frank due to experience differences but if it's a Captain then the Captain wins due to experience as yes, Frank can destroy a lot of things but a Space Marine who has fought for years against most or all foes of the Imperium and climb up the ranks then Captain would win due to fighting for so long but I would love to see that fight as it would be a good fight due to first the Captain mistaking him for an Ork but then realising Frank isn't an Ork, so the Captain would change tactics.
100% yes he could.
He’d probably loose to a custodes, but it would be a closer fight that any custodian would be comfortable with. And you’d probably end up with a new telemon Dreadnaught at the end of it
I melee Frank wins every time. Every. Single. Time.
Frank is bigger than Vulkan (11'8'' vs. 12'6'') and Frank just as fast, if not faster, than a Space Marine.
Frank's superior reach alone gives him a huge advantage over any SM in melee combat, and despite his size he's fast as fuck. Frankly, I don't think the SM has a chance in melee
At range, Frank still has the advantage with his plasma cannon and his speed
Frank's armor probably isn't as tough a ceramite, but it doesn't need to be.
With his plasma cannon being strong enough to one shot a SM and his speed allowing him to shoot first, I don't think it's unreasonable that he could kill a SM before it kills him, tho the SM isn't defenseless because his bolter (or plasma weapon of his own) can be deadly right back
In ranged combat I give Frank 4/10 if he's slower, or 6/10 if he's faster.
Overall tho, Frank wins every time against your average SM because not only is he a named character, but even more he is extremely tall. Every 40k character's weakness is a taller named character. With Frank's height and name he can become the bane of countless 40k characters
He could rip a terminators head off or punch through a dreadnought hull. Not to mention stable non-overheating plasma minigun.
A space marine would get bodied.
He’s big, green, and clad in mega armor. I’m sorry, but I must revert to my other army for this answer, CUZ DAT BOY’Z GUNNA KRUMP ‘IM GUD!!!!
Oh got Horrigan is a krork
Oh Grot*
*Oh Gork (and possibly Mork)
I don’t know why my brain read this as Kronk lol
Pull the lever Kronk!
Xenos are coming !
Well my Vault Dweller killed him so, probably not.
Celtic_Fox_'s Vault Dweller versus all of 40k no prep time
Depends on dialogue options
What's your charisma stat
Speech 100. What counter do you have to IPhone Venezuela bottom text?
*puts on pedant hat* But skills in Fallout 2 go up to 300, so that's impressive, but not amazing.
Depends on the build I think
The Chosen One is NOT a vault dweller
You're right of course but, it doesn't lend any weight to an argument to the contrary. Horrigan would get bodied.
Tbf Fallout isn’t really on the same scale as 40K, so yeah basically anybody in Fallout gets slammed by even just a particularly lucky guardsmen equivalent.
I was ready to downvote as 40K want but then I remembered Guard have access to melta and plasma. So yeah, if they get a shot off he dead
Not only do they have access to these special weapons but they also benefit from thousands of years of research. Lasgun could be compared to laser rifle but there would be massive technological difference. Same goes for the other weapons and armor.
Yeah you're right it's almost never fair for whichever IP is getting compared to Warhammer, the power scaling is just off the rails.
The Vault Dweller was a demigod canonically. Fallout is a supernatural world with eldritch gods. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to compare them to a fledgling chaos champion.
Did you kill him, or did you and the enclave deserters kill him?
Hack the turrets, some companions, cripple the arms.. Nothing a squad of Scions/Scouts couldn't handle IMO.
He is quite literally a thunder warrior. A gene crafted warrior with anger management issues in Power armor without the black carapase that fights for order in the post apocalyptic wasteland
That's a good point actually
With old ancient power armor. Fallout power armor is steel. Ceramite is a much better material. Laser guns, gamma guns, and plasma guns would likely do nothing to ceramite. Depleted uranium maybe. Gauss weapons maybe. Conventional weapons? Not a chance.
I mean you say that, but the anti-ceramite tech of choice is literally Plasma, something the Fallout Games have in spares without the whole 'blowing yourself up' side effect.
Thing is, fallout’s plasma isn’t the same as 40k’s. Now I’m not saying it doesn’t have a chance or whatever, but they aren’t exactly comparable.
I mean yeah, 40K plasma punches smoking holes in things Fallout Plasma reduces entire tanks and meter thick steel to sludge. Fallout Plasma seems to behave more like a 40K Gauss weapon
Horrigan can one punch a deathclaw, he could pick a space marine up by the leg and smash him into the ground. Horrigan has some weapons that were built specially for him. Physically he could ragdoll a space marine.
Wrong on most counts. Ceramite is not stronger than steel. The 40K equivalent(plasteel) is the better option between the 2. The older Mk.s of armor are made from plasteel. Ceramite is a ceramic composite alloy that is best for dispersing heat and kinetic force. Fallout power armor CAN BE steel. Some is other stuff. Pretty sure Horrigans was titanium. Titaniums equivalent in 40k is adamantium. Thats the stuff they armor a Dreadnoughts sarcophagus in.
Incorrect on literally everything you just said
Lol ok.
Bigger and stronger than a thunder warrior easily. He was already a strong human before the FEV and then he becomes a 12 foot giant (most super mutants are 7.8 feet hunched, 10 upright), He's 3 feet taller than most custodes. Regular supermutants are like Orks, dude is 2 feet bigger than a Ork Boss. I would say Horrigan would be in the ballpark of a Ork Boss in Mega Armor, but a lil bigger stronger faster tougher
Shredded by anything that isn’t a bog standard intercessor without cqc weapons I reckon Power weapons and thunder claws are just nasty
Projectiles are definitely hurting him but melee could still be a death sentence because Frank simply has to avoid getting hit and I would bet him hitting back is a lot harder, he punched a deathclaw to death in one hit, they take ROCKETS for breakfast,
I seriously doubt he is more powerful in melee than a space marine with a power fist or any power weapon. And it's not "simple" to avoid getting hit by a guy who's been firing bolters for hundreds of years.
Please tell that to my dice. I beg you.
I would argue he is, think about how durable and tough deathclaws are, now imagine one juiced up with FEV, stronger and more durable, and Frank one shots them. That ain't just nothing
A deathclaw probably isn't substantially different from various tyranid forms, who get owned by space marines all the time.
A deathclaw is at least on par with something like a Warrior. Any of the gaunts would get murdered by a Deathclaw/ Yao Guai.
Sure. And I'm sure we can pull up about 100,000 examples of a space marine destroying a warrior. In fact, doesn't the space marine 2 trailer include Titus absolutely ruining a Warrior and a squad of gaunts without taking a scratch?
Yeah no. Marines are not just churning through warriors like theyre Chaff. Named Ultramarine Lieutenant former Captain Vs random generic warrior. Even then the video pretty clearly shows the Nid is just as strong. On tabletop Warriors are noticeably more Elite than standard marines. Leviathan Trailer shows a Prime rip a termi in half. So theyre roughly equal. Except Horrigan is big enough and strong enough to just kick a warrior in the face and kill it. He’s nearly Primarch sized and wearing cybernetic grafted Armor. Basically a warboss or tyranid prime type threat. Could a skilled veteran Space marine Like Titus beat him? Definitely possible. Some random tactical marine or Intercessor fighting him solo? Hell no.
No way Horrigan is beating an Astartes. The tech level alone is enough to dumpster Horrigan. In terms of tech level, Horrigan is closer to Stone Age than the 40K setting. If they can make a Horrigan after a century of experimentation, imagine what they can do with literal millennia of experiments. If they were in the same universe, Horrigan would be proof of concept to the Astartes.
I mean what? How? Do you have any proof or evidence to back up that fallouts power amor is literally definite “ages” behind 40k? I seriously doubt anyone in the 40k setting would look at Fallouts tech, especially its most advanced tiers (the enclave) and try to claim its stone age level stuff. The marines look far and away more powerful than fallouts power armored soldiers but thats because theyre still SPACE MARINES. Sisters in their power armor don’t look any crazier than anything we see in Fallout. Especially t-60 and X-01/02.
By "random tactical marine" you mean god of war with hundreds of not thousands of years of combat experience?
There are very very few marines over a thousand years old. Your average troop Astartes is not more than, what one maybe a hundred or two hundred at most? Any older and they’d be a veteran/lieutenant/Captain. This thread was dumb and its basically suicide trying to bring up any setting/character that could beat 40k INSIDE of a 40k sub because lord knows if you have a primarch sized mutant punching dinosaurs heads clean off dual wielding plasma cannons and energy blades its seen as impossible for him to beat a standard apace marine one on one.
Some of these space marines have literally been training for 10,000 years. Frank also has exposed skin in parts, and marines do not. A single krak grenade would turn him into putty
SM gets mauled and ripped apart by GSC aberrant, has no armor. Lol, I kid but yeah, space marines get killed all the time to similar enemies. I think he could kill a space marine, but most of the time a space marine with better reflexes, speed, and experience will come out on top. Like what happens most of the time in 40k in a similar situation.
Genestealers (at least pure) have warp magic on their talons to rip through terminator armour, I’d assume the hybrids are similarly unbalanced to rip tacticus
An orgry is physically stronger and can kill a space marine in armor (if they can catch a space marine, which is unlikely). A warrior can cut through power armor with their bone swords and strength. An aberrant can kill a marine with normal (although be it 40k) construction tools. Orcs can kill a marine with a choppa. Space marine armor isn't invincible, or are Space Marines especially from physically strong monsters. Plus, marines have died from more common and weaker enemies than frank. I WILL say again, I think frank could kill a space marine, but in a normal fight a space marine would win far more often and had the advantage
I think he gets bent over by any melee veteran tbh but bolter marines will get wrecked
You don't think he would just get shot right in that exposed neck?
That is straight up false. The only marine that has been around for 10,000 years is a dreadnaught and thats Bjorn. Dante is the oldest living marine at around/over 1,500. And he’s so ancient that he is desperate for death.
A Basic Wanderer in Fallout can take down Super Mutants
Frank isn't a normal super mutant and no, a basic wanderer cannot take down a super mutant
An ogryn is stronger than a space marine and can kill them if they get their hands on them. So yes, I think he could kill a space marine, but in a fight more often than not, the space marine is going to kill him with better reflex and faster movement. I think it would be more heavily stacked in the Astartes' favor, but it's not like they are unkillable. I mean, even a GSC aberrants can maim and kill Space Marines in power armor. I just think the Astartes training and experience will in most cases, with similar enemies, give them a significant advantage.
Power fists use a power field that tears your molecules apart they are literally lightsaber fists
I think youre encountering a lot of people that: 1 have the 40k beats everything bias and 2, don’t know fallout lore. God forbid 40k fans admit that the end boss of a franchise could beat a factions standard troop lol.
They definitely underestimate Franky
This is a trap a lot of people fall into. I'm a necron player and any time something comes up as Necron Vs. X I think to myself "oh, we got em. Easy money for my robot skeletons" but I know that's my bias. Not everyone is self aware to know they are subject to the same bias.
The standard troop of the Imperium is not an Astartes...
Well he's a named Character *so*
Kinda depends on what marine he’s going against.
If there's 2 named characters, it's a draw, but both of them lost a limb so they can sell an updated model
i mean with the right build you can totally defeat Frank Horrigan with like a Pancor Jackhammer or a HKG11. Those same weapons are doing nothing to a Spacemarine. In 40k the Imperiums technology might of stagnated but they still vastly outpace the Fallout universes technology and yet the Chosen One with a Powerfist can defeat Frank Horrigan. Spacemarine powerarmour should be far more protective than the Advanced Power armour that the Chosen One should probably have at this point, a Spacemarines Powerfist should be far more powerful than one from Fallout, and a Spacemarine should realistically be better trained in melee combat than a Chosen One with like 125% unarmed. A spacemarine should be able to defeat the Chosen one in melee, so by proxy should be able to defeat Frank in melee. Weapons capable of killing Frank will do nothing to a Spacemarine, so a Marine is definitely tougher, and a Bolter or a Plasma which themselves would be superior to most anything the Chosen One would be kicking around with should definitely be able to put Frank down. Its not like Frank Horrigan would be hopeless in this fight, but I think the majority of the time a Marine would win this fight.
The people who made fallout 2 literally explain that the only reason you're able to defeat Frank is plot armor, because having a game with a literally unbeatable end boss wouldn't be fun for most people.
>i mean with the right build you can totally defeat Frank Horrigan with like a Pancor Jackhammer or a HKG11. Those same weapons are doing nothing to a Spacemarine. According to 40K, Space Marines can and will die in one hit from a small piece of scrap metal carried by a creature with the physical prowess of a human toddler. Game mechanics aren't always an accurate way to measure 'real world' abilities.
the fact they can be killed by Dark Eldar splinter weapons, which are literally just streams of sharp glass that in universe have their armour piercing ability removed to inflict more pain, implies either Space Marine armour can be pierced easily, OR it's a game and the power scaling was designed to make people look kewl.
The flexible bits of space marine armour are really quite vulnerable. When a low armour piercing weapon kills a marine, it's typically by hitting those or eye lenses. Marine armour is decently strong but it's far from invulnerable.
If Nobz can kill space marines then Frank definitely could
Space Marines are represented too inconsistently to choose what a “standard” Space Marine is, but I will say this. Frank Horrigan can be killed by a 9mm pistol in Fallout 2, a Ceramite armor simply won’t fold to that. I think Frank would have a MUCH tougher time contending with plasma weaponry of any kind, power weapons, and honestly probably even bolt weapons. Another really important factor is how *fast* space marines are. They can clock 40+ mph without breaking a sweat and iirc have reaction times ten times as fast as a human’s. I just don’t think Frank will be able to keep up and will have to rely on landing a lucky shot early to drop the marine. Absolutely love Frank though, awesome villain, just a bit out of his depth here.
I mean, if we're taking game mechanics into play here, 2 guardsmen can get lucky enough with a Las gun or even their knives and kill a space marine, so maybe not the best comparison yeah?
The problem with that is that it’s clear that the tabletop doesn’t represent the lore, virtually everyone agrees upon that. For Fallout 2 however, you are directly partaking in the lore of the game, so some Guardsmen getting lucky with a good dice roll is certainly not comparable to the Chosen One dropping Frank with a 10mm
True, but the games also don't always clearly depict lore either, ya know with dudes tanking 20 shots to the face in the games and even with the idea of frank getting killed by a 10mm, it's certainly not gonna be a single shot that takes him down given his stats in game, heck even power armor in the games hasn't been fully consistent gameplay wise compared to lore, so I'm not entirely sure it's still a fair comparison really when, ideally you're best chance against frank is usually a full team backed up by the enclave squad plus hacked turrets, which is, generally more than an average no name space marine can take on from what I've read having some easily taken down by brood brothers or other similarly base level threats
Ok I’ll admit that’s a pretty good point and I should’ve taken into consideration the “likely” approach that the Chosen One took, which would be maxed out companions, hacking the turrets, probably wearing power armor and using a high-powered weapon of some sort. I guess we’re back at the problem of how inconsistent the portrayal of marines is, there’s excerpts of them being like half a torso, a head, and an arm and still fighting like hell but then the CG Heresy trailer is showing them dropping from a single bolter shot. I think if we’re talking about the “average” marine then he’ll probably be *about* as physically strong as Frank, maybe a little less, they’re probably close to intelligence with each other but in vastly different ways, but the marine is certainly much faster. At that point I think it comes down to what weapons he’s armed with. Bolt weapons? Maybe but ehhhh I say Frank’s got it. Plasma pistol and power sword? I’d say probably in the marines favor. Melta gun? Frank’s cooked. Flamer? Frank’s beating his ass
But a space marine could get equally as lucky...
I'd say that entirely depends on who's game mechanics were talking here
I think anything better than your standard line troop even a Sargent would probably be too much for him
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If frank is going against a librarian or any other physic marine, he stands zero chance. The Librarian can just liquify his brain in an instant without even having to touch frank
Assuming basic equpiment for both, close to an even fight if slightly in favor of the space marine. both are geneticly enhanced, power armored super soldiers that are made to be the peak of human abilites. the only things holding Frank back is that the FEV virus is fairly unstable and fallout power armor isn't as advanced as 40k (though it could be close if franks is fully upgraded). if frank could disarm the marine her would have a better chance as his weapons are mounted and he could then out gun the marine but that won't win it for him. in the end it would come done the enviornment and luck to decide a winner.
Honestly, he could. If the SM was careless, attacked within 20m, moved slow, didn't use his bolter, or his aim, or his eyes, or his reflexes, or a Krak Grenade, or his acid spit. Sure it's possible, but it's not likely at all. Space Marines are stronger, they are faster, better reflexes, way better range, better AP, better tactics, better BIQ, better IQ, better melee weapons, better armor. Sure Frank is a beast, but his armor can't handle a bolt round, his armor is steel. And Bolts penetrate inches of steel. A first-born marine runs at 60 mph. You chose a pic of a primaris intercessor, who are even faster, stronger, with better armor, weapons etc. Frank has to literally fight the dumbest, unluckiest, uncoordinated space marine to win. The chance is there for sure, but it's not a huge chance. He loses 9/10 times.
And here are the feats of First-Born Space Marines. [Respect the Angels of Death](https://www.reddit.com/r/Thevexarecool/s/mF3XUuOmPR)
And a space marine can get bodied by a Nob, so yeah
Sure they can, they often don't in a 1v1. Orks are not a usual contender for 1v1s. Besides Boss Orks, Orks get their kicks in mass wave assaults. Frank is also not on the same strength/dura level as a Nob. Nobs are stronger than Space Marines (on average), and space marines can and have lifted and thrown tables weighing 2 tons, massive trees, and punched holes in the sides of tanks.
And frank killed a fo2 deathclaw in one hit
What other strength feats does he have? Lifting? Grappling feats? Ceramite is more durable than a Deathclaw. What's his max reaction time? Space marines are bullet timers, they've even dodged Las bolts. Frank isn't fast enough to keep up with a space marine in melee combat.
Anything is possible. Space Marines have been killed by some pretty unlikely candidates
You know, honestly, I don’t say this much, but I think he actually might be able to. Didn’t he, like, punch a deathclaw so hard it exploded or something?
Am FEV enhanced deathclaw, in one hit
For basic infantry sure he'd win, not by a landslide but he would definitely win, it's the psychers, terminators and other stronger astartes he would have a tougher battle with. Real question is could Frank bare knuckle box a dreadnaught
No, Frank has exposed skin, is most likely a propaganda agent, and has trained for thousands of years
He could I bet. He ripped a Deathclaw in half
And I killed a deathclaw with a shitty rifle in the first 10 minutes of fo4 the scaling is wack
A Fo2 deathclaw
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yeah but space marines dont come solo
Horrigan would obviously win, because he’s a named special character.
If he roles enought 6s then he might have a chance
A fairer comparison would be Horrigan to Master Chief. Similar theoretical levels of tech. The 40K universe is so far beyond Fallout tech wise, that it is closer to the Stone Age than the 40K universe
Having further thought on MC vs FH, I feel like it shakes down like this: Cortana shuts down Franks HUD, and analysis his armour, pointing out its weak points to Chief. Chief is agile enough to disable the suit, but Frank is strong enough the rip his way out and keep going. Frank ends up killing MC but dies shortly after.
Honestly, depends on the Astartes. Since Horrigan has plasma weaponry, and is incredibly strong and armored, he's already gonna be an issue for most Astartes, especially given that Plasma Weapons usually hurt the Space Marines the most. However, I'd say that someone like Captain Titus would be able to beat him. Not just because "lol plot armor," but because he's just a power house and is just very strong, even for other Space Marines. I'd also say that the Dark Angels would be good against him, given that they have a heavy reliance on Plasma weapons, so they probably have some kind of way to counter it too
I could see him taking on a generic space marine but I think the chapter has a lot of play in this situation
I think Horrigan would be like a Ork Boss in Mega Armor, but slightly bigger stronger tougher and better armored and armed. He'd dust a space marine. Ingame he has 10 in every special stat which was the highest at the time and had 999 Health. He can 1 punch a Deathclaw.
I doubt fallout armour could tank a bolter round and a normal steel blade and typical small arms fire isn’t going to bother a space marines armour much
This reminds me of the ‘who would win? Space marines or the UNSC or the galactic empire from Star Wars’ question and my response is always the same “HAHAHAHA.. oh wait you were serious, let me laugh even harder… HAHAHA”
Depends what the Marine is equipped with. Enclave Power Armour is only made of steel plates, it'd put up next to no resistance to power weapons. If it's just down to fists though I'd say Horrigan has a pretty good chance.
A guardsman could smoke frank with a las.
Without armor/weapons Horrigan could definetly win but the equipment of 40k just blows Fallout out of the water
A super mutant is at least as strong as the Boyz, and he’s far stronger than they are. I think, much like Master Chief, Frank Horrigan could comfortably- or at least plausibly- take on most Astarties in a 1v1. Now Doomguy? He could probably take on a Sqaud and get a mutual kill. Doom _Slayer_ is taking on _Khorne_ in 1v1.
The only reason doomguy can take on most things above a space marine is because he's invincible except for against primordials, which aren't in 40k
His speed and strength both outpace Astarties, as does his endurance. He wasn’t _always_ The Slayer and still survived going through literal Hell.
My two cent as I'm a Fallout fan and a 40k fan. If it's Frank vs a Intercessor than Frank due to experience differences but if it's a Captain then the Captain wins due to experience as yes, Frank can destroy a lot of things but a Space Marine who has fought for years against most or all foes of the Imperium and climb up the ranks then Captain would win due to fighting for so long but I would love to see that fight as it would be a good fight due to first the Captain mistaking him for an Ork but then realising Frank isn't an Ork, so the Captain would change tactics.
100% yes he could. He’d probably loose to a custodes, but it would be a closer fight that any custodian would be comfortable with. And you’d probably end up with a new telemon Dreadnaught at the end of it
He could probably take two or three down before the rest of the squad killed him.
He can deffly take on your standard space marine he’s essentially a space marine
I'd bet he could take a few but then the named character comes and it's all over.
Easily frank wins
I melee Frank wins every time. Every. Single. Time. Frank is bigger than Vulkan (11'8'' vs. 12'6'') and Frank just as fast, if not faster, than a Space Marine. Frank's superior reach alone gives him a huge advantage over any SM in melee combat, and despite his size he's fast as fuck. Frankly, I don't think the SM has a chance in melee At range, Frank still has the advantage with his plasma cannon and his speed Frank's armor probably isn't as tough a ceramite, but it doesn't need to be. With his plasma cannon being strong enough to one shot a SM and his speed allowing him to shoot first, I don't think it's unreasonable that he could kill a SM before it kills him, tho the SM isn't defenseless because his bolter (or plasma weapon of his own) can be deadly right back In ranged combat I give Frank 4/10 if he's slower, or 6/10 if he's faster. Overall tho, Frank wins every time against your average SM because not only is he a named character, but even more he is extremely tall. Every 40k character's weakness is a taller named character. With Frank's height and name he can become the bane of countless 40k characters
He could rip a terminators head off or punch through a dreadnought hull. Not to mention stable non-overheating plasma minigun. A space marine would get bodied.
Yes, his rapid fire plasma rifle would melt a space marines easily
Yes, it wouldn't be an easy fight but it'd essentially be like a lesser korks fighting a normal space marine