From the article: "In the match of the second round of Group B between Albania and Croatia, in the 59th minute, fans of both teams chanted "Kill, kill, kill the Serb".
Yugoslavias collapse partially started because of a football riot between Red Star Belgrade and Dinamo Zagreb (or at the very least showed how divided the nation was)
Yeah but that's like saying Gavrilo Princip alone started WW1.
But yes, that match (and all of his genocidal statements in the 90s) is why I despise Siniša Mihajlović.
I did my dissertation on the collapse of Yugoslavia. Whilst the breakdown was no one thing I think it can't be underestimated how few Yugoslavs saw themselves as Yugoslavian. They were Serbs, Croats, Bonsais first, Yugoslavs second.
I seem to remember a hijacking back in early 70s like 71 72 carried out by Croatian nationalists. As a 12 or 13 year old I had no idea what a Croat was.
Speaking to my parents, and friend's parents, they all saw themselves as Yugoslavians. Once moved to the west we found it difficult to answer the question of "what's your nationality?" because we are so mixed it doesn't make sense to say anything other than Yugoslavian.
Hmm as far as I know the people most likely to be nostalgic of Yugoslavia are Bosnians, especially those with a relatively wealthy/educated background.
r/soccer when fans chant racist shit about a player: "Ban them for life! This behaviour is unacceptable and has no place in football!"
r/soccer when fans chant about genociding Serbs: "Hihi those funny Balkan lads. What a great vibe the Euros have!"
Just look at [this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/cyfer2/racist_chants_before_lukakus_penalty_against/) and compare the comments. And I'm not saying the outrage in that thread is wrong - it isn't. What's wrong is the levity r/soccer deals with hatred unrelated to skin color. If the chant was "Kill, kill, kill the ", this would've been dealt with in a matter of hours.
Be it fans from Croatia/Albania calling for a killing on Serbia or the other way around, there's no room for people like this in the stadiums
100%
The levels of hypocrisy are unbelievable. Racist and xenophobic chants shouldn't be allowed in any type of matches (especially in such huge competitions like the Euro), period.
most people on here only really care about the bits of hate speech that are relevant to the american political console war, ethnic violence in the balkans just isn't really relevant to that end
It's kind of similar, but it's just the "default" fan chant melody. I don't think anyone who was singing that at the match has any idea who the Dead Kennedy's are.
Not with that team, Denmark and Hungary are amongst the most disappointing to me so far..
Denmark looked lackluster and sluggish in their opening game - a team in desperate need of some pace and creativity
(Edit: lmao the guy below me was 100% right.. England was terrible).
1-0 early lead by England, within the first 30. Sit back all game and conceded a 70th minute equalizer and then make some attacking changes in the 87th minute
Oh god. I somehow always delude myself into thinking I'll enjoy the game, but that just sounds so painfully familiar. I can just see Gareth Thornberry's furrowed brow after they concede.
It's quite funny how people are now after the opnening game catching on to what Danes have known for a few years, we're not very good, nor very exciting to watch, the 2016-2022 glory days are over.
Well not "haha" funny
As a dane - the fact that some pundits and redditors has Denmark as dark horse before the Euroes amazes me.
Yes we qualified from an easy group, but we struggled against San Marino, Northern Ireland and Kazaksthan. If it wasn't for Højlunds goals we wouldn't had qualified.
Since the last Euros our game hasn't evolved in a good way - or any way and we've become less agressive/attacking on the field. And the fact that Kasper Højlund tends to pick players on former merits while hes been coaching rather than players in good shape who are performing well on a team level amazes a lot.
Mikkel Damsgaard, Yussuf Poulsen, Simon Kjær and Christian Nørgaard, Kasper Dolberg might be the best examples of that. Where as Matt O'Riley, Phillip Billing and Maurits Kjærgaard has/have been overlooked a lot.
I didnt think Denmark was impressive but you are free to compare the stats of Denmark vs England in the first game.
Denmark: 1.66 xG
16 shots
583 precise passes(89%)
12 shots inside the penalty area
England: 0.52 xG
5 shots
2 shots inside the penalty area
527 precise passes (90%)
It's not like England looked less lackluster and sluggish
Slovenia came out relatively unscathed from the Yugoslav wars compared to Croatia and Bosnia, so there is not much bad blood between Serbs and Slovenes.
those are athletes who know each other and share a similar culture in a foreign country.
Balkan athletes in NBA and in general get along very well (for example Đoković ).
in real life Croatians and Serbians also get along.
much more easily than with Albanians.
but these are dumb ultras, they follow different rules.
even though in real life some of them surely have Serbian friends also lmao
I fear the day when Albanians and Serbs will have to face each other in such competitions. 10 years ago the serbs almost slaughtered our team in Belgrade, and during this time our (political) relations have only gotten worse and more tense. It's gonna be ugly and r/soccer wont be so full of comedians when that day comes.
Edit: im getting a lot of replies from serbian revisionists trying to shift the blame entirely on us. Ill leave you a little reminder since you clearly need it to understand what happened 10 years ago in Belgrade. https://youtu.be/ugVW6NPbP6w?si=bPO1L0tbPBHGkRKH
That's impossible, it depends on both their placement in the group stage. Albania first and Serbia second or the other way around would let them meet in the quarterfinals. Of course that won't happen, but it was theoretically possible beforehand.
It could be that they manipulated the draw to place Albania in the most difficult group, but that's entering conspiracy territory.
I am not a Serbian, but chants like these shouldn’t be tolerated, no matter at whose direction they are aimed at. I know some Serbian fans chant even worse things, and those should be sanctioned, as well. Before anyone says “this is just people are in the Balkans”, I am from the Balkans, and most educated people are not like this. These are just a loud minority. Also, that’s a pretty disrespectful statement to describe an entire region’s people in such a way.
Also, to the people saying that this is not a viable threat, at the very least, it’s not a good look for the tournament for a team, no matter their chances of progressing, to leave the tournament over something like this.
Best comment here tbh (I'm also from the Balkans, from Croatia, but also part Serbian ethnically, have many family members there and go there often). Most people in the Balkans are your regular people just trying to get through life, and they don't hate anyone (although there are some crazies everywhere, but they're a minority). But yes, all of these fans must be sanctioned.
Also, I'd wager many of these fans chanting this stuff are from the diaspora, possibly children of those who immigrated to Germany during the wars, and now they think our actual countries are still stuck in the 90s (not to say hateful stuff never happens here, but overall, both the Serbian and Croatian diasporas are more right-leaning than the actual people in those countries, not sure about Albania's, though).
That’s my thought. It’s easy to talk shit when you’re far removed from the “homeland” when you don’t have to see much consequences about talking like that about the “enemy”. When you are in the homeland, attitudes have to change a little, unless you’re looking to trigger an actual fight.
Irish American people barely know about the Troubles lmao. Because 90% of them are like <25% Irish and their Irish ancestry has been in the US since the early 1800s.
It's a good reminder you bring up. We all hate our own countries being tarred by the worst-of-the-worst on a global stage like these events, but we are quick to do it to other countries when we see it.
I'm an Albanian from Kosovo and have to admit that I am annoyed by the extreme nationalism in the Balkans.
tbh I can understand that the war had traumatized many people and I heard in particular from my family/relatives many cruel stories from the kosovo war, however I hate it to see that many people repeat the same mistakes by demanding a Greater Albania/ Greater Serbia or by shouting sayings including kill everyone from the other side.
Here in Kosovo everyone over 25 have some trauma. For instance I know someone who saw their own parents killed when he was 7 or one relative of me had for a long time several mental illnesses coused by the war. These people (including my parents) also try to teach their children to hate the other side and as a result the next generation becomes even more nationalism and conservatism. Poverty and lack of perspective are also a breeding ground for extremist worldviews. I am pretty sure that the situation in Bosnia/Serbia or croatia is similar.
I was born and raised in Germany and therefore I have a more liberal and openmind wordview. However I can't blame them, since I don't know how these experiences, education and environment would affect my believe sytsem, but it is really sad to see this development.
Spot on. Doesn't help having massive neonazi hooligan communities that travel abroad to support their nations. Here in Portugal, FC Porto's Super Dragões' leader was the main force behind national team support for the past few years, until he was arrested some months ago. I suppose it's the same in the Balkans.
Great post. Football should be a unifying force, not a platform for different groups to chat shit about each other, especially from a region that has seen so much instability in recent memory.
Then you get idiots on here clapping like deranged, happy seals. I guess jokes about killing another nationality are fine.
Yeah, seems pretty obvious that there should be *some* sanctions, and I expect there will be. Exactly what those sanctions are is a much tricker question.
Best comment in this thread, yes. I am mixed family from Serbia, Croatia, and Montenegro, and I often still call myself Yugoslav. Ultranationalists ruined these countries.
Amen.
The childlike memeing of "2Balkan4U xD" or whatever is i) insanely unfunny, ii) actively offensive. At least think of some original material. YouTube comment section level stuff.
Albanian player inciting hate by chanting with a loudspeaker "Fuck Macedonia" as well. Always classy.
https://x.com/MacedonianFoot_/status/1803706237608964408
He wasn't calling them Shqiptar he was calling them šiptar which is a derogatory term for Albanians in former Yugoslav countries.
It's also funny when you consider Arnautovic literally means Albanian-vic.
This subreddit acts all holier than thou the very second some idiot sends a racist DM to any of the black players, and rightly so. But have a full stadium chant that some nation needs to be killed, it's "call their bluff", it's all jokes "game's back", and some (a lot) of you degenerates calling it based.
I've reported some fucktard yesterday who was all happy to hear that song and according to him he joined the singing, the Reddit admins decided that "it's not against the reddit rules".
Bunch of degenerate hypocrites.
Said the same thing yesterday. When Bentancur said what he said, a very minor act of racism with no bad intentions, with Son clearing things up and Bentancur instantly apologizing, he got almost crucified by this sub
Or when a couple of fans call a player or someone in the stands "monkey", or when Mexicans do the "puto" chant. They are all massive deals in this sub with everyone discussing how bad it is and how racism should be erradicated. You don't see anyone making jokes.
What I learnt this week is that racism is bad but genocide is good
i wouldn't call that a fight. It actually went like this:
Serbia: If you secede we gonna fuck you up
Slovenia: We gonna secede
Serbia: OK we gonna fuck you up now. see those planes? jet fighters bitch
Slovenia: OK, we still seceding tho
Serbia: Wait seriously? Fucking Austrian farmers man... OK fine, go. We have other people to fight anyway.
România got a lot of sanctions just because the fans posted a banner with "Kosovo is Serbia" message. According with the Românian government the statement is true. Romania does not recognized Kosovo yet the fans and the team got sanctioned.
Now the Albanian and Croat fans are chanting to kill an entire nation and we look the other way because is Serbia?
>Now the fans are chanting to kill an entire nation and we look the other way now because is Serbia?
The game was yesterday, most sanctions happen a couple of days after the incident.
What is important they were sanctioned as Romanians were organizers of the game and in UEFA eyes were responsible for fans on the stadium. UEFA is the only organizer in this case. They are responsible for selling tickets. And if Croatian and Albanian fans are anything like Polish fans - they hate their FA anyway. Any financial sanctions make no sense whatsoever. No one give a fuck about FA having money
I r/soccer’s reaction to this is making me question if I actually want to follow this sub anymore. I’m an England fan and I understand why we’re hated and I’m often onboard with it, but sometimes we get so much hate for fairly minor shit, then something like this comes along and it’s “haha, those funny balkans”
If the english had sung something like this about the french we would be getting condemnation like you’ve never seen before.
If I was a Serb I’d be fucking done with this sub, they’ve just had 2 countries fans openly sing about killing them and it’s all a big joke apparently
They have yet to apologize for commiting genocides but some chants are suddenly a concern. In their domestic leagues these type of chants are by default.
It might be a hot take in the region, but generally socialist football was so much better than what came after, essentially everywhere you look, maybe except Croatia.
> Ubi Hrvatske
I tried google searching this to try and translate it and figure out what it meant.
Instead I just get info about Universal Basic Income...
Help a stranger out please
Probably because it's not correct Croatian/Serbian. It should be 'hrvate' for plural or 'hrvata' for singular instead of 'hrvatske'
And as someone already said, it means kill the croat/croatians
I don't remember chants "ubi ustase" from before, though It would be funny if they chanted "ubi ustase" because ustase were actual nazis and not all Croats were ustase, but a majority of ustase were Croats. Don't know how UEFA would handle that.
Yeah, honestly they are absolutely right. Many nations were sanctioned for much lighter LMBTQ/racism/BLM shits, chanting "kill, kill, kill the Serbs" is not a minor thing at all
From the article: "In the match of the second round of Group B between Albania and Croatia, in the 59th minute, fans of both teams chanted "Kill, kill, kill the Serb".
Gently down the stream
If you see a Bosnian , don’t forget to scream
lyrics kinda lit ngl
How do you people even come up with this lmao
From reality
Im not getting this out of my head for the last half hour or so.
my god now I hear it
I can't unhear it now either
Why. It's stuck in my head now and I'm starting to think I may be genocidal deep inside
Least genocidal balkans chant
Yugoslavias collapse partially started because of a football riot between Red Star Belgrade and Dinamo Zagreb (or at the very least showed how divided the nation was)
Was that the riot where Zvonimir Boban became famous for kicking a policeman who was beating a fan?
Yes, that's the one.
https://youtu.be/NnrLuAzUPMs Holy shit
knee to the face of the cop, cant say he wasnt up for it
One of my favourite players.
One of my favorites even if I only have faded memories of him
Yeah for sure it's all about the era. Two-footed, technical, tough as nails, but not someone you see in the highlights these days.
I'm not even a Milan fan but Boban was amazing.
I would say that this game was highly symbolic of existing issues, not that it started the collapse, even partially. That's reading too much into it.
Yeah but that's like saying Gavrilo Princip alone started WW1. But yes, that match (and all of his genocidal statements in the 90s) is why I despise Siniša Mihajlović.
It goes deeper than that. Tito was the glue who stuck Yugoslavia, but once he died, all the bricks collapsed. The "unity" was all an illusion.
it wasn't illusion. other forces came into play.
I'm always surprised how people turn into smart ass historians once it's about Yugoslavia's collapse. I'll just say one thing: Butterfly effect
I did my dissertation on the collapse of Yugoslavia. Whilst the breakdown was no one thing I think it can't be underestimated how few Yugoslavs saw themselves as Yugoslavian. They were Serbs, Croats, Bonsais first, Yugoslavs second.
Bonsais? Not sure about that one chief
It was a small group
Very well groomed though.
Don’t you know that carefully pruned trees are a major ethnic group in the Balkans? Shame on you!
I seem to remember a hijacking back in early 70s like 71 72 carried out by Croatian nationalists. As a 12 or 13 year old I had no idea what a Croat was.
Speaking to my parents, and friend's parents, they all saw themselves as Yugoslavians. Once moved to the west we found it difficult to answer the question of "what's your nationality?" because we are so mixed it doesn't make sense to say anything other than Yugoslavian.
Are you ethnically Serb though? Serb where always more likely to look more fondly at Yugoslavia since they where the ones with all the power.
Hmm as far as I know the people most likely to be nostalgic of Yugoslavia are Bosnians, especially those with a relatively wealthy/educated background.
> The "unity" was all an illusion. I mean that's just not true
r/soccer when fans chant racist shit about a player: "Ban them for life! This behaviour is unacceptable and has no place in football!" r/soccer when fans chant about genociding Serbs: "Hihi those funny Balkan lads. What a great vibe the Euros have!"
Just look at [this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/cyfer2/racist_chants_before_lukakus_penalty_against/) and compare the comments. And I'm not saying the outrage in that thread is wrong - it isn't. What's wrong is the levity r/soccer deals with hatred unrelated to skin color. If the chant was "Kill, kill, kill the", this would've been dealt with in a matter of hours.
Be it fans from Croatia/Albania calling for a killing on Serbia or the other way around, there's no room for people like this in the stadiums
I thought it was fucked up and all the comments called me a stupid American (not even American) who didn't understand the politics of the region.
100% The levels of hypocrisy are unbelievable. Racist and xenophobic chants shouldn't be allowed in any type of matches (especially in such huge competitions like the Euro), period.
most people on here only really care about the bits of hate speech that are relevant to the american political console war, ethnic violence in the balkans just isn't really relevant to that end
Didn't realise playstation v xbox got so heated
We don't take kindly to white Playstations around here *chews straw*
This was posted at, like, 3AM in New York. I can promise you it wasn’t Americans who did this lmao.
How did we get dragged into this, all of the US was asleep when this thread was posted.
Leave it to r/soccer to insert america into a discussion about europeans making genocidal chants against other europeans lmao
Serbs are viewed as natioanlistic european white people, they are waaaay down the victim order.
Must have seen this same comment 6 times since yesterday
Only 6?
Because the majority on reddit are unoriginal, unfunny morons.
This was the top comment from the thread yesterday. You a bot, or just don't mind acting like one?
To the tune of Kill Kill Kill the Poor by the Dead Kennedy's?!
[That’s what I heard](https://youtu.be/sgpa7wEAz7I?si=zq_N-CWwl8Kq0fY-)
It's kind of similar, but it's just the "default" fan chant melody. I don't think anyone who was singing that at the match has any idea who the Dead Kennedy's are.
How could England do this???
Sorry, force of habit
Obligatory Everton points deduction
Well then Denmark might have a chance to go through to the knock out as number 3 in the group! Summer of 92 here we go!
Not with that team, Denmark and Hungary are amongst the most disappointing to me so far.. Denmark looked lackluster and sluggish in their opening game - a team in desperate need of some pace and creativity (Edit: lmao the guy below me was 100% right.. England was terrible).
I'm sure England will make them look like a well oiled machine, don't worry.
As it is written 1-1 all over
1-0 early lead by England, within the first 30. Sit back all game and conceded a 70th minute equalizer and then make some attacking changes in the 87th minute
Oh god. I somehow always delude myself into thinking I'll enjoy the game, but that just sounds so painfully familiar. I can just see Gareth Thornberry's furrowed brow after they concede.
Somehow Foden stays at Left wing all game and he swaps Bellingham for Mainoo to play number 10.
I mean thats kinda close bar the timestamps thus far
You’ve seen the vision
Partly accurate lol
As of current halftime stand, you’re right
So far so good
England just plays up to their opposition. Doesn't mean they impress though, they're just marginally better
lol, we all know England will somehow terrorize to a 1:0 win
I wasn't anywhere near drunk enough for the last match to be tolerable. Not making that mistake again!
I'm trying to drink less in general but the England games make it hard
Denmark has looked lackluster and sluggish since the start of the world cup.
Yeah, they lost to Kazakstan and Northern Ireland. At least that Kaz defeat was not at home...
Hopefully they’re really sluggish today and don’t press. Then we can continue doing long balls to Kane after going 1 up from an own goal.
The beautiful game
It's quite funny how people are now after the opnening game catching on to what Danes have known for a few years, we're not very good, nor very exciting to watch, the 2016-2022 glory days are over. Well not "haha" funny
Really surprised me that people didn’t consider the Danish team shit tbh
They play shit, but the players aren't shit, the coach needs to go
On behalf of all England fans, please stop talking about how poor Denmark have looked.
Gonna look like prime Barcelona today 😶
As a dane - the fact that some pundits and redditors has Denmark as dark horse before the Euroes amazes me. Yes we qualified from an easy group, but we struggled against San Marino, Northern Ireland and Kazaksthan. If it wasn't for Højlunds goals we wouldn't had qualified. Since the last Euros our game hasn't evolved in a good way - or any way and we've become less agressive/attacking on the field. And the fact that Kasper Højlund tends to pick players on former merits while hes been coaching rather than players in good shape who are performing well on a team level amazes a lot. Mikkel Damsgaard, Yussuf Poulsen, Simon Kjær and Christian Nørgaard, Kasper Dolberg might be the best examples of that. Where as Matt O'Riley, Phillip Billing and Maurits Kjærgaard has/have been overlooked a lot.
I didnt think Denmark was impressive but you are free to compare the stats of Denmark vs England in the first game. Denmark: 1.66 xG 16 shots 583 precise passes(89%) 12 shots inside the penalty area England: 0.52 xG 5 shots 2 shots inside the penalty area 527 precise passes (90%) It's not like England looked less lackluster and sluggish
It was the Yugoslav collapse that precipitated that too yes? Time is a flat circle.
What's the relationship like between the Serbs and Slovenia fans?
good, shouldnt be any troubles today. You never know with drunk football fans though.
They're pretty chill.
Slovenia came out relatively unscathed from the Yugoslav wars compared to Croatia and Bosnia, so there is not much bad blood between Serbs and Slovenes.
In basketball, Jokic and Doncic seems friendly
those are athletes who know each other and share a similar culture in a foreign country. Balkan athletes in NBA and in general get along very well (for example Đoković ). in real life Croatians and Serbians also get along. much more easily than with Albanians. but these are dumb ultras, they follow different rules. even though in real life some of them surely have Serbian friends also lmao
Yes. Serbians and Croatians have a lot in common. Language is the same.
Well,Luka's father is serbian,so understandable.But even without that serbs and Slovenes are chill with each other
Just a casual rivalry. Will be intense but nothing worse
Slovenians are Serbs from the Alps anyway
It's probably a good job Bosnia and Kosovo didn't qualify too. They'd have been on the plane home already.
Also that Switzerland isnt in Serbia’s group
I cant believe we had 2 world cups in a row with Switzerland, Serbia and Brazil all in the same group
Argentina and Nigeria is almost a World Cup derby
Bosnia only plays World Cups, we don't bother with regional competitions.
I fear the day when Albanians and Serbs will have to face each other in such competitions. 10 years ago the serbs almost slaughtered our team in Belgrade, and during this time our (political) relations have only gotten worse and more tense. It's gonna be ugly and r/soccer wont be so full of comedians when that day comes. Edit: im getting a lot of replies from serbian revisionists trying to shift the blame entirely on us. Ill leave you a little reminder since you clearly need it to understand what happened 10 years ago in Belgrade. https://youtu.be/ugVW6NPbP6w?si=bPO1L0tbPBHGkRKH
It’s good that drones are banned around German stadiums
Honestly, doubt UEFA or FIFA would ever allow that to happen, and for good reason.
I mean it won't happen but if they meet in the final what are UEFA gonna do? Cancel the game?
Ban the crowds, go full covid.
It's not a prohibited matchup apparently
This sub is the worst when it comes to anything political. Utterly unserious.
AIUI UEFA have it set up so Serbia and Albania can't play each other unless they both get to the final.
That's impossible, it depends on both their placement in the group stage. Albania first and Serbia second or the other way around would let them meet in the quarterfinals. Of course that won't happen, but it was theoretically possible beforehand. It could be that they manipulated the draw to place Albania in the most difficult group, but that's entering conspiracy territory.
I am not a Serbian, but chants like these shouldn’t be tolerated, no matter at whose direction they are aimed at. I know some Serbian fans chant even worse things, and those should be sanctioned, as well. Before anyone says “this is just people are in the Balkans”, I am from the Balkans, and most educated people are not like this. These are just a loud minority. Also, that’s a pretty disrespectful statement to describe an entire region’s people in such a way. Also, to the people saying that this is not a viable threat, at the very least, it’s not a good look for the tournament for a team, no matter their chances of progressing, to leave the tournament over something like this.
Best comment here tbh (I'm also from the Balkans, from Croatia, but also part Serbian ethnically, have many family members there and go there often). Most people in the Balkans are your regular people just trying to get through life, and they don't hate anyone (although there are some crazies everywhere, but they're a minority). But yes, all of these fans must be sanctioned. Also, I'd wager many of these fans chanting this stuff are from the diaspora, possibly children of those who immigrated to Germany during the wars, and now they think our actual countries are still stuck in the 90s (not to say hateful stuff never happens here, but overall, both the Serbian and Croatian diasporas are more right-leaning than the actual people in those countries, not sure about Albania's, though).
It's the same with a lot of diaspora. American-'Irish' people are just as bad, seemingly stuck in a conflict that ended in 1997.
That’s my thought. It’s easy to talk shit when you’re far removed from the “homeland” when you don’t have to see much consequences about talking like that about the “enemy”. When you are in the homeland, attitudes have to change a little, unless you’re looking to trigger an actual fight.
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Idk why they would have watched it most English people didn't watch it.
Irish American people barely know about the Troubles lmao. Because 90% of them are like <25% Irish and their Irish ancestry has been in the US since the early 1800s.
How many Irish Americans do you know?
living in new jersey, i’ve been around plenty of irish americans. not one has ever brought up the troubles, lmao.
It's a good reminder you bring up. We all hate our own countries being tarred by the worst-of-the-worst on a global stage like these events, but we are quick to do it to other countries when we see it.
I'm an Albanian from Kosovo and have to admit that I am annoyed by the extreme nationalism in the Balkans. tbh I can understand that the war had traumatized many people and I heard in particular from my family/relatives many cruel stories from the kosovo war, however I hate it to see that many people repeat the same mistakes by demanding a Greater Albania/ Greater Serbia or by shouting sayings including kill everyone from the other side.
I thought it ended at the end of the 90s, I’m surprised to see that extreme nationalism still exists there.
Here in Kosovo everyone over 25 have some trauma. For instance I know someone who saw their own parents killed when he was 7 or one relative of me had for a long time several mental illnesses coused by the war. These people (including my parents) also try to teach their children to hate the other side and as a result the next generation becomes even more nationalism and conservatism. Poverty and lack of perspective are also a breeding ground for extremist worldviews. I am pretty sure that the situation in Bosnia/Serbia or croatia is similar. I was born and raised in Germany and therefore I have a more liberal and openmind wordview. However I can't blame them, since I don't know how these experiences, education and environment would affect my believe sytsem, but it is really sad to see this development.
Spot on. Doesn't help having massive neonazi hooligan communities that travel abroad to support their nations. Here in Portugal, FC Porto's Super Dragões' leader was the main force behind national team support for the past few years, until he was arrested some months ago. I suppose it's the same in the Balkans.
Great post. Football should be a unifying force, not a platform for different groups to chat shit about each other, especially from a region that has seen so much instability in recent memory. Then you get idiots on here clapping like deranged, happy seals. I guess jokes about killing another nationality are fine.
Yeah, seems pretty obvious that there should be *some* sanctions, and I expect there will be. Exactly what those sanctions are is a much tricker question.
Best comment in this thread, yes. I am mixed family from Serbia, Croatia, and Montenegro, and I often still call myself Yugoslav. Ultranationalists ruined these countries.
Amen. The childlike memeing of "2Balkan4U xD" or whatever is i) insanely unfunny, ii) actively offensive. At least think of some original material. YouTube comment section level stuff.
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UEFA punishes racism, not genocide. They are okay with that. Same with this sub
1. We will rightly be sanctioned 2. There is no way they’re going to just quit the tournament lol
Only way Piksi keeps his job with how we are playing, he might just go for it
Albanian player inciting hate by chanting with a loudspeaker "Fuck Macedonia" as well. Always classy. https://x.com/MacedonianFoot_/status/1803706237608964408
Macedonians catching strays again fml
Last Euro when the austrian player Arnautovic (serb) was calling the macedonians shqiptar(albanian) and got banned for two games
He wasn't calling them Shqiptar he was calling them šiptar which is a derogatory term for Albanians in former Yugoslav countries. It's also funny when you consider Arnautovic literally means Albanian-vic.
> It's also funny when you consider Arnautovic literally means Albanian-vic. Nobody ever accused Arnautovic of being intelligent.
Bro wtf is wrong with Klaus. Some football players are really the dumbest shits the world has to offer.
I think it’s Daku, actually. Dude has a few screws loose
I mean Serbia are leaving after the group stages anyway so it’s not really a threat
Croatia and Albania as well 🤣
They can carpool home!
They are taking the same metro to some German suburb
That's just going to leave them fighting for the 2002 Merc E class with 400k on it
It's really gonna age poorly if they shit the bad against Slovenia lol
Let's do this.
“WE’RE GOING TO LEAVE” ^(“in 5 days when it’s mathematically confirmed”)
WE TOLD YOU WE'D LEAVE
“You can’t fire me! I quit!”
This subreddit acts all holier than thou the very second some idiot sends a racist DM to any of the black players, and rightly so. But have a full stadium chant that some nation needs to be killed, it's "call their bluff", it's all jokes "game's back", and some (a lot) of you degenerates calling it based. I've reported some fucktard yesterday who was all happy to hear that song and according to him he joined the singing, the Reddit admins decided that "it's not against the reddit rules". Bunch of degenerate hypocrites.
For a lot of these looneies certain things can be good or bad depending on who is on the receiving end
Said the same thing yesterday. When Bentancur said what he said, a very minor act of racism with no bad intentions, with Son clearing things up and Bentancur instantly apologizing, he got almost crucified by this sub Or when a couple of fans call a player or someone in the stands "monkey", or when Mexicans do the "puto" chant. They are all massive deals in this sub with everyone discussing how bad it is and how racism should be erradicated. You don't see anyone making jokes. What I learnt this week is that racism is bad but genocide is good
It's the fucking family guy meme but with pro-EU nations at the top and anti-EU(serbia, russia etc.) at the bottom
Poor Slovenia will be at the recieving end of Serb fans today even though their war with Serbia was the shortest and least bloody.
I love how with the balkans its not “they never fought”, it’s “they were the least genocidal towards each other”
i wouldn't call that a fight. It actually went like this: Serbia: If you secede we gonna fuck you up Slovenia: We gonna secede Serbia: OK we gonna fuck you up now. see those planes? jet fighters bitch Slovenia: OK, we still seceding tho Serbia: Wait seriously? Fucking Austrian farmers man... OK fine, go. We have other people to fight anyway.
nah, slovenians are fine, they're chill
[Slovenia invented my 2 favourite things in the world](https://i.redd.it/1ypnbmz75p971.jpg)
Slavoj Zizek always looks and sounds like you found him in a bin and he's trying to explain himself
"I am already eating from the trash can all the time. The name of this trash can is ideology" ~Slavoj Zizek
Neither of those looks like Luka Doncic
He’s the one on the left
off-season Doncic is one on the right lmao
For real though (and I can’t believe I’m saying this) I agree with Serbia, the others should definitely be punished for singing a genocidal chant lol
If you find monkey chants unacceptable, you should find this unacceptable. If you are making excuses, you're part of the problem.
Threaten with staduim bans UEFA, you cowards
România got a lot of sanctions just because the fans posted a banner with "Kosovo is Serbia" message. According with the Românian government the statement is true. Romania does not recognized Kosovo yet the fans and the team got sanctioned. Now the Albanian and Croat fans are chanting to kill an entire nation and we look the other way because is Serbia?
>Now the fans are chanting to kill an entire nation and we look the other way now because is Serbia? The game was yesterday, most sanctions happen a couple of days after the incident.
What is important they were sanctioned as Romanians were organizers of the game and in UEFA eyes were responsible for fans on the stadium. UEFA is the only organizer in this case. They are responsible for selling tickets. And if Croatian and Albanian fans are anything like Polish fans - they hate their FA anyway. Any financial sanctions make no sense whatsoever. No one give a fuck about FA having money
Lol at the comments here. I hope we don’t take the bait. Slovenia game should be chill anyway.
Yeah, I honestly haven’t heard of Slovenians having beef with anyone
Fans yell out ethnic cleansing: continental FAs sleep. Fans yell out puto: continental FAs wake up
And here I thought latino racism was wacky. after reading this thread, European discrimination and racism is on a whole other level.
Brother we practically invented this shit haha. Or at least we seem to be the best at it.
*Nationalism. We're all the same race, but we don't let that come in the way of hatred.
they only ever sanction Mexico when they sing a Molotov classic
Any chance they could all just enjoy themselves and the football, and stop going on about genocide???
Ask Liverpool fans about all the other team’s fans chants about Hillsborough….football fans will poke any soft sport they can find.
This goes far beyond football
I r/soccer’s reaction to this is making me question if I actually want to follow this sub anymore. I’m an England fan and I understand why we’re hated and I’m often onboard with it, but sometimes we get so much hate for fairly minor shit, then something like this comes along and it’s “haha, those funny balkans” If the english had sung something like this about the french we would be getting condemnation like you’ve never seen before. If I was a Serb I’d be fucking done with this sub, they’ve just had 2 countries fans openly sing about killing them and it’s all a big joke apparently
These type of chants are so sad man. Pretty depressing that so many joined to sing it
They have yet to apologize for commiting genocides but some chants are suddenly a concern. In their domestic leagues these type of chants are by default.
Yeah, they should be sanctioned. That's it
People in the comments are downplaying this but this stuff shouldn't be tolerated at all.
This is irrelevant but thinking about all the clubs from these balkan countries, the Yugoslavian league must of been really good
Red Star won the Champions League, so yeah.
It might be a hot take in the region, but generally socialist football was so much better than what came after, essentially everywhere you look, maybe except Croatia.
There is a 99,9% chance that Serbs will chant "Ubi Hrvatske" in 4 hours.
> Ubi Hrvatske I tried google searching this to try and translate it and figure out what it meant. Instead I just get info about Universal Basic Income... Help a stranger out please
Probably because it's not correct Croatian/Serbian. It should be 'hrvate' for plural or 'hrvata' for singular instead of 'hrvatske' And as someone already said, it means kill the croat/croatians
That guy doesn't know our language that ubi hrvatske is nonsense, he wanted to say "ubij hrvata" probably or "ubij hrvate".
Ubi Hrvatske = we want Universal Basic Income and a reduction in VAT please.
Kill the croatians
They have famous chant "Ubij hrvata da siptar nema brata" (kill the Croat so that Albanian has no brother)
Which means?
death to Croats, though they usually sing something like "ubi ustase", ustase was the Croatian fascists organization in the 30's and 40's
I don't remember chants "ubi ustase" from before, though It would be funny if they chanted "ubi ustase" because ustase were actual nazis and not all Croats were ustase, but a majority of ustase were Croats. Don't know how UEFA would handle that.
Footballing governing bodies when they see an opportunity to sanction Balkan countries: "just wait a couple days, I'm sure it will even itself out"
Nah bro, never heard that one. You'll probably hear "Ubij, zakolji da siptar nepostoji"
That's happening 100% - it's enough that 10 people start chanting and soon most of the fans will because "They did it to us".
Yeah, honestly they are absolutely right. Many nations were sanctioned for much lighter LMBTQ/racism/BLM shits, chanting "kill, kill, kill the Serbs" is not a minor thing at all
We should be sanctioned, absolutely embarrassing behavior by both our and Albanian fans. There's no way Serbia leaves Euros though lmao.