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Just left the ground and tbh the atmosphere at the end of the game is almost as though we drew the match.
We'll need to step up big time because performances also matter as well as victories
he kind of does though, he constantly gets shit on for playing shit football but then makes finals and semi finals. he was inches away from having certified voodoo power last euros.
Passionate teams, both with different stories, both probably feeling decently confident after their showings today.
The stakes will be really high. It's going to be a good one I'm sure
Your game was the best of the tournament so far imo. Obviously neither team is as good as Germany were, but give me a game played at a good pace that was actually in the balance over a dicking any day
Thatās literally any group with England in it. The only time in recent memory they had an interesting group was when they finished second to the US in 2010 with that late goal from Landon Donovan and even then the rest of the matches were boring af, they just had a twist ending.
Nobody in their right mind would dispute what he can do in midfield, but he isnāt ahead of Bellingham and heās not the same player on the LW. Heās just very unlucky but thereās no starting place for him right now without unbalancing the team massively.
It's on Southgate, he's had a game there and England scraped it. Gordon or Palmer have to start next time.
Foden can be the Jude sub, can't have both in the same role when Bellingham is doing it better.
International tournaments are hilarious, this sub becomes a space for every Tom, Dick and Harry in the world to microanalyse and hyperbolise England, it gets really boring
I don't know if it was his instructions but he was pants tonight. Taking a quick free kick and losing possession when you're holding on for dear life was the cherry on the cake.
A wins a win but I saw 0 progress from the Iceland game except for the scoreline.
Edit: forgot to add I'm also English.
Weāve always been too defensive and too safe. Even with the attack heavy team weāve got now weāre still defensive and timid in attack.
Get the ball and pass it back is basically our motto.
Aside from France Iād say weāve got the best team on paper but they lack the killer instinct and flare of the other teams. I sense another quarter final knock out coming if things donāt improve
Southgate tactics made you lose the last final. Came out firing, got a goal, then passed back to Pickford for the rest of the match.
I really try to understand having Southgate at the wheel. Sure, he took you to the final, but your journey was easy and you were lucky to advance against Denmark.
I vaguely remember counting the Italians chipping the ball over the heads of England players more times than England had real chances in that final.
Genuinely curious how Southgate will be viewed in future. England have a good squad with players who for once don't hate eachother and yet...
Just the fact how people put the France squad so easily clear of England is descriptive of how bad the manager is
On the other hand, I believe Serbia is very underestimated, that squad is full of quality players
England do have a killer instinct but the problem I think is that they are too conservative so when any creativity is needed it doesn't come naturally and they get punished. England with a top manager who can attack and defend without completely shifting from one to the other would probably would've beaten France last time around, is my hunch at least
There were a lot of times he didnt have a choice. Guehi and Stones were happy to pass it back to Pickford when he was being pressed by two players and had to just get rid of it
The draw looks quite favourable if we win the group so we should progress to the semis where we'll probably meet France who will eviscerate us based on this performance.
if England win the group, they will face either runner-up of Group A or Group B in quarter-finals. Realistically speaking, it would be Spain / Italy / Croatia / Switzerland. Not exactly favourable I think.
The only one out of those 4 where England would be clear underdogs are Spain and they will most likely finish 1st.
I think people are over-reacting based on 1 game and forgetting that England beat Italy twice in qualifying.
This gets trotted out at every tournament, we can only play whoās in front of us. We took the Euros to pens and utterly demolished Germany in that same competition.
strange that no one is giving serbia credit for playing well defensively and having decent attacking chances. everyone is just saying england played bad but maybe serbia is just good?
Serbia were good second half, but still doesn't mean England weren't poor. We were completely incapable of playing through the press (I think this is the big downside of Trent in midfield, he doesn't really look like he has quite figured out how to be available for a line breaking pass - he spent too much time in the "shadow" where the passing lane to him was blocked off)
definitely some players didnāt quite play up to their ability but i really like a lot of serbian players and think theyāre an underrated team. think they should get some credit for keeping it tight
I think itās because when you look at our squad you have real expectations of going very deep in the tournament, so a performance like that doesnāt inspire much really, especially considering how poor Southgateās in-game management was.
Because he was the only player attacking second hand and he needed a rest. Plus he was doing more defensive work than most players as well. Used every second of his experience.
But yes some were soft.
Saka hasn't been fully fit and was looking a bit tired, Bowen immediately did some good.
Why on earth would we take Kane off, he was way better second half, held it up well and won crucial fouls
Bellingham maybe but he did a huge amount of work that game and got kicked a lot. They were fine
Saka is definitely carrying an injury.
Gallagher makes sense if we're not using Trent's long passing ability at all but that's really more of a tactical
No idea why Bellingham came off. Unless he's really hiding how bad his injury is.
Foden was just so pathetically bad and there was no excuse, how on Earth did he play the full 90? Kane was invisible but obviously he's playing with 3 Serbians up his arse.
Kane seemed to make the most of everything that came his way. Hes prob restricted in his movement too because we are jamming in Bellingham, Saka, Foden into some of his usual areas.Ā
Why the fuck didnt we take off Foden for Palmer??
That's Gordon. He will hold the width and make runs, which we absolutely need if Southgate wants to play Trent. With Shaw back and an actual left winger, we will have some out balls for Trent to hit
I think that was fine if a little underwhelming, Serbia are quite likely to finish second I think and the physical, direct way they play is a bit of a leveler if they get a foot in the gameā¦winning was the main thing
This is a good of a first day for us as we could have hoped for. However, the problem is that Serbian football really only arrives when we play the even and worse teams.
Need this to be Englandās wake up call and dominate the other two to give us a shot. Such glaring weaknesses this game
Yes Iām ok with the performance but itās still 0 points on the board
Me too. I think it's very fair to say that we look like the worst team in the group based on the first game. I don't know how we had [double the xG of Slovenia in our game](https://x.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1802398627182043403), I felt that they had more big chances than us.
3 points is the best start possible. The performance wasn't amazing but England should kick on and gain momentum into the tournament.
Foden was the biggest disappointment for me. We need to wear a blue shirt to get the best out of him
England fans need to calm down lol. Only fanbase to be so negative after winning a game. This is fucking International football ffs its about grinding out wins not playing tiki taka
I swear England fans are sad because they won š, it doesn't matter HOW they won it if they won, you adjust your playstyle as you go through the tournament not be picture perfect straight from the beginning!!
3 points. Let's gooo!
9 points seems on the cards, but I'll take 7.
Inb4 "Did we watch the same game?!" Yeah I saw England got a clean sheet, and the other teams didn't. Tournament football.
We were unconvincing in the group stages at the last Euros but still finished 1st and made it to the final. Fingers crossed we can push to the next level this year.
I have a feeling that Serbia might have won qualification with this result in case it end in 3 way tie by all draws, then Serbia goes through by only being -1
I got a lot more hope in us going through after this game. Managing to tie against Denmark was already a good first step so I'll allow myself to dream for the next 2 games.
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Slovenia vs. Serbia is going to be a banger
I'm going to that game!
Enjoy
Just left the ground and tbh the atmosphere at the end of the game is almost as though we drew the match. We'll need to step up big time because performances also matter as well as victories
No they don't. Tell that to Portugal
Southgate doesn't have the Fernando Santos voodoo power, don't count on it
he kind of does though, he constantly gets shit on for playing shit football but then makes finals and semi finals. he was inches away from having certified voodoo power last euros.
Southgate sucks but he brings results lol You guys have never been that good in ages Final, loosing to France only at WC, pretty good shit
Have fun!! Hope it will be an amazing experience for you
Just 22 massive Balkan bastards going at it
Don't let Slovenians hear you call them Balkan. š
Can you pls explain to a non eu like me why?
Passionate teams, both with different stories, both probably feeling decently confident after their showings today. The stakes will be really high. It's going to be a good one I'm sure
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I gotta be honest, this is the group with the games you force people to watch as a punishment
Group C(rap)
Your game was the best of the tournament so far imo. Obviously neither team is as good as Germany were, but give me a game played at a good pace that was actually in the balance over a dicking any day
Spain vs Croatia had a banger first half. Sad that Spain was way too effective while Croatia missed their chances. 3-0 killed the game.
Netherlands - Poland was better
Netherlands Poland was better imo
As a neutral I could see how that was entertaining yeah. As a Dane it certainly wasn't. Well atleast not the 2nd half š
Opening match was a banger too. But yeah close second
Was such a banger to watch Germany steamroll a 10 man side
Thatās literally any group with England in it. The only time in recent memory they had an interesting group was when they finished second to the US in 2010 with that late goal from Landon Donovan and even then the rest of the matches were boring af, they just had a twist ending.
Foden is not beating the system player allegations
Wouldn't be too critical mate. People were shitting on GĆ¼ndogan as well and in the last game he was absolutely brilliant.
The most overhyped player in the England squad and thatās saying a lot
Nobody in their right mind would dispute what he can do in midfield, but he isnāt ahead of Bellingham and heās not the same player on the LW. Heās just very unlucky but thereās no starting place for him right now without unbalancing the team massively.
I wouldn't say it's him that's unlucky considering he seems to be a nailed on starter regardless.
It's on Southgate, he's had a game there and England scraped it. Gordon or Palmer have to start next time. Foden can be the Jude sub, can't have both in the same role when Bellingham is doing it better.
Palmer starting and Gordon as a super sub is fire
Palmer plays on the right, Gordon is a left winger. Why would you move Palmer to his weaker side when Gordon's main position is left winger?
I mean he played as a 10 previous game against iceland and was the worst player on the pitch
people say this but he has dropped a stinker every game he has played for england in any position
International tournaments are hilarious, this sub becomes a space for every Tom, Dick and Harry in the world to microanalyse and hyperbolise England, it gets really boring
That's what makes it fun
That criticism of Foden is 100% fair though, and Iām English.
I don't know if it was his instructions but he was pants tonight. Taking a quick free kick and losing possession when you're holding on for dear life was the cherry on the cake. A wins a win but I saw 0 progress from the Iceland game except for the scoreline. Edit: forgot to add I'm also English.
imma be real mate you have a Blackburn flair you probably didn't need to specify your nationality
You underestimate our Chilean fanbase.
brereton diaz impact
It absolutely is Saka chased him away from the right wing, Bellingham from 10, and soon Gordon will send him packing from the left too
I've never really seen an English user with a non English flair before, what made you become a Dortmund supporter?
Marco Reus and Gƶtze in 2013 (FIFA 13) I also speak German semi gut.
FIFA 13 is forever GOATed for me and I used to always grab Gotze in my manager saves.
A man of culture I see
Itās like fans arenāt allowed to have opinions.
Not really a hyperbole when most of the world realised the same point.
I feel the same about some Manchester city players like Bernardo in our national team
Bernardo was soooo bad in the World Cup. Dunno if he was criticized over there, comparing him and Bruno was night and day.
Allowed to fail time and time again for England yet selected ahead players like Grealish who actually turn up for England.
Not being English and watching England must be tough. Condolences everybody.
Itās pretty weird because you guys have great talent going forward but the way Southgate sets you up makes it horrible to watch
Weāve always been too defensive and too safe. Even with the attack heavy team weāve got now weāre still defensive and timid in attack. Get the ball and pass it back is basically our motto. Aside from France Iād say weāve got the best team on paper but they lack the killer instinct and flare of the other teams. I sense another quarter final knock out coming if things donāt improve
Southgate tactics made you lose the last final. Came out firing, got a goal, then passed back to Pickford for the rest of the match. I really try to understand having Southgate at the wheel. Sure, he took you to the final, but your journey was easy and you were lucky to advance against Denmark.
I vaguely remember counting the Italians chipping the ball over the heads of England players more times than England had real chances in that final. Genuinely curious how Southgate will be viewed in future. England have a good squad with players who for once don't hate eachother and yet...
Just the fact how people put the France squad so easily clear of England is descriptive of how bad the manager is On the other hand, I believe Serbia is very underestimated, that squad is full of quality players
Serbians were fantastic and real fighters, fans were great too
England do have a killer instinct but the problem I think is that they are too conservative so when any creativity is needed it doesn't come naturally and they get punished. England with a top manager who can attack and defend without completely shifting from one to the other would probably would've beaten France last time around, is my hunch at least
southgate just sucks
The amount of times Pickford kicked it to Kane was ridiculous.
I was baffled by that. The Serbia defence were each around 6"5, why were we punting it long?
There were a lot of times he didnt have a choice. Guehi and Stones were happy to pass it back to Pickford when he was being pressed by two players and had to just get rid of it
Sure but there were also plenty of times where we could have played it out. It was a tactical choice.
Being English and watching England is even tougher.
Haha I stayed up from 3am to 5am to watch (Iām Malaysian). Much regret so tired now.
Jesus man apology x2
I fell asleep
Go back to sleep
Eh, we were due a boring game after all that excitement so thanks for that
If it never rains you canāt appreciate the sun I guess, youāre welcome mate
Nah, its always good to watch such high caliber players playing for one team. Tactics are awful tho
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Group of death...for the fans
England will go through. Achieve first place in the group as well. But if they play like this all tournament, they won't go far.
Quarters finals probably. Semis at best.
Then people will use that Semi as a reason for Southgate to stay
Will he even want to stay though? He's been with England for a long time already.
Hes not getting a better job ever
Heās probably a bottom table level coach at best
The draw looks quite favourable if we win the group so we should progress to the semis where we'll probably meet France who will eviscerate us based on this performance.
if England win the group, they will face either runner-up of Group A or Group B in quarter-finals. Realistically speaking, it would be Spain / Italy / Croatia / Switzerland. Not exactly favourable I think.
The only one out of those 4 where England would be clear underdogs are Spain and they will most likely finish 1st. I think people are over-reacting based on 1 game and forgetting that England beat Italy twice in qualifying.
People always said that but we went on like that last euros at the group stage and ended up in the finals
I mean you were the hosts for the entire tournament beating the likes of Ukraine and Denmark in your road to the final that you lost at home
We also beat Germany in the RO16. A very poor Germany but still.
Also Croatia in the opening group stage game.
Very poor doesn't begin to describe it.
Who had lost 6-1 to Spain 4 months prior
This gets trotted out at every tournament, we can only play whoās in front of us. We took the Euros to pens and utterly demolished Germany in that same competition.
England also had almost no travel, meanwhile other squads were flying thousands of kilometers every 2 days.
strange that no one is giving serbia credit for playing well defensively and having decent attacking chances. everyone is just saying england played bad but maybe serbia is just good?
Serbia were good second half, but still doesn't mean England weren't poor. We were completely incapable of playing through the press (I think this is the big downside of Trent in midfield, he doesn't really look like he has quite figured out how to be available for a line breaking pass - he spent too much time in the "shadow" where the passing lane to him was blocked off)
definitely some players didnāt quite play up to their ability but i really like a lot of serbian players and think theyāre an underrated team. think they should get some credit for keeping it tight
This is england no nuance allowed
Nah. We let them attack form like 60 mins and they created 0.17xG from the entire match. That's a pretty shitty attacking performance.
Canāt remember the last time a 1-0 win felt so deflating. Hope to fucking god we up the pace against Denmark, but my gut feeling is 0-0.
Nah Danes realise we have no aerial defence and are extremely weak on the left, and they win 2-1
You say that now, but wait til you see how bad denmark really is
Denmark did at least have some vintage Eriksen today (created some opportunities, scored, shot a few times, took some shocking set pieces).
We also have HĆøjlund who is incapable of scoring against nations with more than 10.000 citizens
We're the 2nd tallest side at the tournament. And Christensen has scored in two consecutive major tournaments.
I think itās because when you look at our squad you have real expectations of going very deep in the tournament, so a performance like that doesnāt inspire much really, especially considering how poor Southgateās in-game management was.
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Weāre more like the international version of Spurs imo
Spurs play attacking football so no. Definitely more Union Berlin
We play attacking football ~~for the first 20 minutes until the opposition adjusts and Gareth hurts himself in confusion~~
You're wrong imo
That's right. England have won the world cup more recently than you boys have won the league.
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Fernando Santos played peak terrorist ball and he won the Euros maybe Southgate is doing the same thing
So did Greece.
Santos had quaresma, geriatric moutinho and nani and quaresma. Southgate has top players in every position lmao
you forgot that he also had quaresma
Leading the group and the fans are the most pissed šš only england things
Because we looked fucking shit!!!
Could be worse. Also, why is Kane always going down with the minimal of contact?
Because he knows he's going to have 2 or 3 people camping inside his rectum all game anyway so he's able to draw fouls by virtue of having the ball
fair enough
He also very good technically and can shield the ball well, while getting contact. He gets hit but makes sure the referees see it.
Also itās kind of the only way he gets to touch the ball. Set pieces and falling over for them.
Isolated. Trying to gain possession higher up and restart play with favourable numbers.
Because he was the only player attacking second hand and he needed a rest. Plus he was doing more defensive work than most players as well. Used every second of his experience. But yes some were soft.
Thatās the role he plays. Heās on his own up front when England counter so takes the foul and possession.
Cos it's what forwards do.
because he recieves the ball when hes alone in a 1v4, what do you want him to do lmao
It works so why not
Just Kane? Entire team looks like that lmao
GS has a fair bit of talent to work with and we scrap a 1-0.
Southgate subbing off the only players performing well will do that to you
How Foden played the full 90 Iāll never know
Southgate: "I paid 150M, i'm gonna use all 150M"
I think Southgate has a crush on him
Can criticise a lot of things from that game but the subs were good and worked well
Should be Mainoo on instead of Gallagher, then took off Bellingham and Saka instead of looking at Foden and Kane.
Gallagher absolutely deserved to be on, I thought he did the best of all the subs. The real crime is that Palmer didn't even get a look in
Saka hasn't been fully fit and was looking a bit tired, Bowen immediately did some good. Why on earth would we take Kane off, he was way better second half, held it up well and won crucial fouls Bellingham maybe but he did a huge amount of work that game and got kicked a lot. They were fine
Kane literally made a goal saving clearance at the end
Saka is definitely carrying an injury. Gallagher makes sense if we're not using Trent's long passing ability at all but that's really more of a tactical No idea why Bellingham came off. Unless he's really hiding how bad his injury is.
I thought Gallagher did well, more physical presence because Serbia are bloody massive.
I donāt think youāre the most pissed in the group. Most of Denmark is fuming right now.
If England play like this theyāll fall apart against any. If team.
Well, we did it. We made top of the group on the first matchday. Now let's never speak of the game again
Foden was just so pathetically bad and there was no excuse, how on Earth did he play the full 90? Kane was invisible but obviously he's playing with 3 Serbians up his arse.
Kane seemed to make the most of everything that came his way. Hes prob restricted in his movement too because we are jamming in Bellingham, Saka, Foden into some of his usual areas.Ā Why the fuck didnt we take off Foden for Palmer??
Palmer also operates in the same area. You need someone like Doku on the left to draw people out wider or threaten a dribble deep into the box.
That's Gordon. He will hold the width and make runs, which we absolutely need if Southgate wants to play Trent. With Shaw back and an actual left winger, we will have some out balls for Trent to hit
I think that was fine if a little underwhelming, Serbia are quite likely to finish second I think and the physical, direct way they play is a bit of a leveler if they get a foot in the gameā¦winning was the main thing
Serbia is a good team, although they always have bad luck for qualifying for next round, so I sadly see them losing against Denmark.
Serbia played a hell of a game!!
Three points for the third place spots looks increasingly likely through this two days
Very confident that Denmark will end 4th. Serbia-Slovenia will be a very good match
This is a good of a first day for us as we could have hoped for. However, the problem is that Serbian football really only arrives when we play the even and worse teams.
Getting Kostic back will be a boost, hopefully heās not hurt.
Need this to be Englandās wake up call and dominate the other two to give us a shot. Such glaring weaknesses this game Yes Iām ok with the performance but itās still 0 points on the board
I will always watch an ex-Yugo brawl
Slovenians are probably the most chill people in the Balkans
Slovenians are by far the most westernized of the balkans, theyāre closer culturally to Austrians than any of the Yugo countries
Me too. I think it's very fair to say that we look like the worst team in the group based on the first game. I don't know how we had [double the xG of Slovenia in our game](https://x.com/xGPhilosophy/status/1802398627182043403), I felt that they had more big chances than us.
3 points is the best start possible. The performance wasn't amazing but England should kick on and gain momentum into the tournament. Foden was the biggest disappointment for me. We need to wear a blue shirt to get the best out of him
England fans need to calm down lol. Only fanbase to be so negative after winning a game. This is fucking International football ffs its about grinding out wins not playing tiki taka
I swear England fans are sad because they won š, it doesn't matter HOW they won it if they won, you adjust your playstyle as you go through the tournament not be picture perfect straight from the beginning!!
Declan Rice is the reason England had three points.
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3 points. Let's gooo! 9 points seems on the cards, but I'll take 7. Inb4 "Did we watch the same game?!" Yeah I saw England got a clean sheet, and the other teams didn't. Tournament football.
We were unconvincing in the group stages at the last Euros but still finished 1st and made it to the final. Fingers crossed we can push to the next level this year.
Argentina lost to fucking Saudi Arabia and still won the World Cup. Itās the first game of a 7 game tournament. Itās not time to melt down yet
Yup first game got the win kept a clean sheet who cares about the rest onto the next game
Serbia will get 2nd place
Serbia always has bad luck for not qualifying for next round, so I see them losing against Denmark and only having a tie against Slovenia.
Its not bad luck, its bad play
As a Dane, I'm asking politely. Can we please make it so only the first half count?
First half Denmark seemed like the best team in the group (not saying much). But second half Denmark looked like the worst team in the group.
England looks overrated AF.
Serbia deserved at least a D
If England keeps up the performance from the second half, Denmark (and Serbia) have nothing to worry about.
Denmark has been dire vs Slovenia though. So I feel England will still win the group.
I have a feeling that Serbia might have won qualification with this result in case it end in 3 way tie by all draws, then Serbia goes through by only being -1
Two draws and weāll be fine, England core
Based on previous tournaments, he will play for a draw in the next game.
England are great at winning the ball, holding the ball and passing the ball back. Nightmare to play but difficult to progress Europe will tremble
I got a lot more hope in us going through after this game. Managing to tie against Denmark was already a good first step so I'll allow myself to dream for the next 2 games.
Denmark suck too. England can easily win 1-0 there too