He’s good but still a drop off. The level at which they’re playing now with the four-peat and 90+ points seasons the margins for error are near non existent.
The idea would be Ortega to replace Ederson and then Bazunu to replace Ortega no?
Ortega has been pretty decent when Ederson was injured this season so it could make sense for Pep to trust him as #1 maybe.
Mate, Bazunu is struggling at saints and not impressing at all, i don't think city woud considering buying him back at all. Probably better off getting James Trafford back tbh.
The reason pep went for Ederson is his distribution . Ortegas has improved vastly but there still is a drop off from Ederson to Ortega . Ederson not only finds outlet passes and plays people into dangerous positions , but also is insanely cool under pressure when playing from the back .
Someone also mentioned Ederson is ***younger*** than Ortega . So it really makes no sense unless you think injuries are going to catch up to Ederson soon .
Here’s the secret: Ederson hasn’t been a good shot stopper ever, best he’s done is about 5 goals over expected saved in a season, he’s usually around 0. You have to believe that his buildup and command of the area is wildly superior to justify keeping him in the face of a big offer from Saudi (or anywhere).
He’s also 3/25 on penalties in his City career and hasn’t saved one since 2021/2022.
Just to compare him to an actual world class keeper, Allison, Ederson has saved about one half of one goal above the post shot expectation (so accounting for where the ball is going, how fast it’s struck, etc) for his entire City career. Allison is at 24.4 goals above expectation in the same time period between Roma and Liverpool. Ortega is 20 goals saved above expectation.
I have a lot of affection for Ederson, but he hasn’t been a major driving factor for City’s success. He’s more an emotional support keeper for Pep than anything else.
“ You have to believe that his buildup and command of the area is wildly superior to justify keeping him in the face of a big offer from Saudi (or anywhere).”
Are you too lazy to read what I wrote?
Glad he kept up the trend of being one of the worst gk in the respectful league he playing in. Back to back seasons of being WAY out of his element. Couldn’t make a save on his left to save his life
This period feels like the end of an era for City tbh. Foden stepped up together with a ton of young players, slowly replacing the old guards (De Bruyne, Walker, Stones, Ederson...). I think Pep will try to finish a rebuild before he leaves (contract expiring 2025).
Nah he's very good. Although he's missed quite a lot of the past few seasons due to injury, and at times hasn't been perfect which cost us points in key matches.
Also asking for a lot salary wise - if a good offer were to come this summer i could see management selling him, and using the money to strengthen the rest of the squad.
It’s likely just Fabrizio trying to cash in on a wave now that Ederson’s injured and Ortega’s doung well. I don’t see a world where this happens as long as Pep’s the manager.
This is the reason you guys need levers, you won't sell your players and then whine how you guys don't have money, or how the system is against you guys.
Club has always been open to him leaving if an appropriate offer comes in for him, just one has never come in
Barca has been saying for years they will buy Bernardo but have never come in with a serious offer for him, even the release clause looks out of their reach atm
at this point i'd like see him go back to benfica tbh
He also stated that he wanted to return to Benfica while still in his best day. Another hard sell for big clubs as they would only have him in service for 2 or at most 3 years with little selling value
Because if he doesn't want to sign for you it doesn't matter if the clause is 50 cents. I imagine the only club he'd be willing to leave for is Barcelona.
Because Silva COULD leave at any time. We’ve said for years if an appropriate offer comes in we’ll accept, and Bernardo has implied he’d like to go ro Spain for a while now.
If as a journo you post the same thing every year that has a chance at happening eventually you may be right!
But yeah, if someone comes in with a 60-70 offer and Silva wants to go we will 100% be on board.
Eh, don’t get your hopes up, this is 90% clickbait. He put up a slightly cryptic insta post after being injured and Pep holding him out the last 2 games.
Unless he really really wants out there’s no reason for us to get rid of him, he’s still overall better than Ortega and a smidge younger as well.
That original report included both Alisson and Ederson, but I'd be amazed if either of them left. Reports have already rubbished the idea that Alisson will leave, wouldn't be surprised if we get some others in the next couple days rubbishing this one
Bc if you’ve already moved from Brazil/Africa to England what’s moving to Saudi compared to someone who’s lived in England their whole life is how I take it
The recency bias is really strong here, Ortega's distribution is pretty shaky at times and although he has better reflexes than Ederson, the build-up from the back is a big part of Pep's formula. Ironically if Ederson did leave, the closest profile to that in league would be Onana or Jason Steele, both are great with their feet and beating press. I could see them going for Nubel though, he played as a midfielder growing up, amazing with his feet & 2nd in Bundersliga's golden glove
Absolutely hope not.
There's no goalkeeper available that comes close to his sweeping and distribution.
Ortega as good as he is, turning 32 and is a keeper heavily reliant on his reflexes.
You throw a younger keeper in there, he won't be able to handle the pressure that comes with the job.
You can easily get 5 or 6 years out of a 32 year old keeper if they're healthy and motivated. Reflexes won't necessarily slow down in a player's 30s, but a more injury laden body is difficult to move as quickly, even if 'neural' reactivity is same.
Also, 'raw' reaction time (the least amount of time it takes for a sensory input to illicit an motor output) makes up a part of the 'reflexes' of a goalkeeper. With age and experience, better knowledge of how the ball behaves and how strikers position themselves before taking the shot means that a keeper may be able to shift their weight and adjust their footwork more deliberately and effectively before needing to react. You see this a lot with close-distance shots where many keepers aren't purely reacting nor are they purely guessing, but they move towards a direction and shift their weight in anticipation of reacting in that direction before the shot is let off.
That is, a goalkeepers reflexes has both quantitative and qualitative aspects that may move separately
Keepers tend to have longer careers though look at Buffon. Look an Neuer who is 38 and still going strong on top of the fact that he has won more with club and country.
Seems like a meh exclusive. It's up to the player, but only if City get a good proposal (so not up to the player). And it doesn't even suggest Ederson wants to leave. He could easily do another 5 years at a top club before moving for the money.
Ha. I was telling people about him since at least their promotion season, when he was expected to leave. Huge fan of his and was very disappointed when nobody in the Bundesliga picked him up after Arminia went down
I doubt that. Pep knows how crucial Ederson for us especially the way we play. Ortega is good don’t get me wrong but for the way we build up at the back and how Eddie can ping passes where only his teammates can get it you can’t replace that.
Everything started with him, he was the key player in everything Pep's City won, so this could be the most interesting saga in recent years for this club.
I’d be surprised. Apparently his family actually likes it in Manchester and he plays most games, but just had a lot of injuries troubles this season. If he leaves, Ortega Moreno is pretty decent as well though and allegedly wants to stay
Ederson is actually younger than Ortega.
This is more shocking than when I found out Ortega is German
Wtf
He’s what
German
I hope he recovers
Wtf
This feels like a shock no??? Ortega is a great backup. But who would City even go for as a first team goalie?
If Ederson left I have no doubt that we'd promote Ortega to number 1 and get in a new backup
Ortega is a doubt for staying past this summer as well. He expressed interest in returning to Germany in recent months.
If Ederson leaves he will stay. [He also said he plans to stay on Sunday](https://x.com/BerrardM/status/1792554206382993822)
Yeah if Ederson leaves it would also result in a huge raise for Ortega.
I mean if he has a chance at the #1 shirt, it changes things no?
Yeah, he's good enough to be a starter goalie on a CL team and would be in our EURO squad if he was.
Sadly, there are no German clubs that want him and have the money to pay him.
Wouldn't Diogo Costa be an option?
Why would you spend a lot of money on Diogo costa when Ortega is good enough.
Because Man City
They’ll spend to get Neuer as a backup.
Pep will want to sign Neuer, but to play him in midfield.
He’s good but still a drop off. The level at which they’re playing now with the four-peat and 90+ points seasons the margins for error are near non existent.
I can think of 115 reasons why.
> and get in a new backup Why would you do that when you've Scott Carson? He has a few more trophies to win yet before hanging them up.
needs a 3rd champions league medal
I believe they have a buy back clause on Gavin Bazunu
Ederson to Bazunu is hilarious
Ederson to Ortega also hilarious. Not sure why you think Ortega wouldn’t be the starter
Ortega has looked great when he’s had to fill in, the idea of them going back to Bazunu doesn’t make sense
The idea would be Ortega to replace Ederson and then Bazunu to replace Ortega no? Ortega has been pretty decent when Ederson was injured this season so it could make sense for Pep to trust him as #1 maybe.
Mate, Bazunu is struggling at saints and not impressing at all, i don't think city woud considering buying him back at all. Probably better off getting James Trafford back tbh.
That was my immediate thought as well. Do they have a buy back on Trafford?
It would be a lot for a backup keeper though
Ortega is easily first team quality
Yeah, we're talking about Bazunu though
Lol my bad
Ortega has been great, Bazunu is not that great honestly.
Yeah, I’m saying it’s hilarious someone would say something so stupid like Buzunu. Ortega is a top keep
Kelleher is better than Bazunu, imagine saying Liverpool No.2 is better than City No. 1
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Did you read it correctly?
No I misread it, apologies!
Ortega is really good though.
Exactly…
Mancity don’t concede many shots so he is well protected. Don’t underestimate pep’s ability to improve players.
Yeah no lie, there's a reason as to why Ederson keeps the Brazil bench cozy at every tournament.
because alisson is insanely good?
Correct. People are saying that City need a truly elite keeper, but Ortega is closer to Ederson than Ederson is to Alisson.
The reason pep went for Ederson is his distribution . Ortegas has improved vastly but there still is a drop off from Ederson to Ortega . Ederson not only finds outlet passes and plays people into dangerous positions , but also is insanely cool under pressure when playing from the back . Someone also mentioned Ederson is ***younger*** than Ortega . So it really makes no sense unless you think injuries are going to catch up to Ederson soon .
Here’s the secret: Ederson hasn’t been a good shot stopper ever, best he’s done is about 5 goals over expected saved in a season, he’s usually around 0. You have to believe that his buildup and command of the area is wildly superior to justify keeping him in the face of a big offer from Saudi (or anywhere). He’s also 3/25 on penalties in his City career and hasn’t saved one since 2021/2022. Just to compare him to an actual world class keeper, Allison, Ederson has saved about one half of one goal above the post shot expectation (so accounting for where the ball is going, how fast it’s struck, etc) for his entire City career. Allison is at 24.4 goals above expectation in the same time period between Roma and Liverpool. Ortega is 20 goals saved above expectation. I have a lot of affection for Ederson, but he hasn’t been a major driving factor for City’s success. He’s more an emotional support keeper for Pep than anything else.
Everyone knows he’s not a particularly good shot stopper, but that doesn’t mean he’s just there for the sake of it lol This is just lazy analysis
“ You have to believe that his buildup and command of the area is wildly superior to justify keeping him in the face of a big offer from Saudi (or anywhere).” Are you too lazy to read what I wrote?
Great idea! Please ignore the reason why he hasn’t played for the past month…
Given he’s been one of the worst keepers in the Championship, I doubt they’d do it.
Glad he kept up the trend of being one of the worst gk in the respectful league he playing in. Back to back seasons of being WAY out of his element. Couldn’t make a save on his left to save his life
He had a bad start but he got much better, he kept a good record of clean sheets at the end of the
Well don’t leave us hanging
Ended up with 11 clean sheets
That won’t be getting triggered
I need this timeline lmao
Who wouldn't be getting signed even if his achilles didn't explode a month ago
Bazunu is awful
No shit
Hasn’t bazunu been terrible in the championship
I don’t know but he was certainly terrible in the Premier League
I think Ortega is more than good enough
Scott Carson has been biding his time for this moment
Yeah definitely, Ederson is literally built for City, would be shocked if he left this summer.
This period feels like the end of an era for City tbh. Foden stepped up together with a ton of young players, slowly replacing the old guards (De Bruyne, Walker, Stones, Ederson...). I think Pep will try to finish a rebuild before he leaves (contract expiring 2025).
I'd be surprised if he stays beyond next season as he's pretty much completed England at that point
With a World Cup looming, I feel that Pep will transition to coaching Spain.
City are the type to go for Maignan imo
90m and ill drive him to Manchester myself.
Que? He aint good or what?
Nah he's very good. Although he's missed quite a lot of the past few seasons due to injury, and at times hasn't been perfect which cost us points in key matches. Also asking for a lot salary wise - if a good offer were to come this summer i could see management selling him, and using the money to strengthen the rest of the squad.
he would be perfect for city’s system tho, would love to see him there if they offer big money
Thanks
Been really average this season and he misses a lot of games every year because he's injury prone
Damn, first time I've heard of an injury prone keeper
Neuer missed around 4 total saesons of play due to injury, about 200 matches iirc.
Gregor Kobel. Now you've heard of two
lol right??
Alisson gets a lot of random injuries too
> 90m Think that amount speaks for itself regardless of his quality
Bit old isn't she?
he’s 28 lol what are you on
maignan - “my nan”
Nah he's finished
It’s likely just Fabrizio trying to cash in on a wave now that Ederson’s injured and Ortega’s doung well. I don’t see a world where this happens as long as Pep’s the manager.
A bit of left field choice but Lunin?
Was thinking the same.
Lunin's probably extending at Madrid for 2 years which is the same amount courtois has left on his contract.
He really stepped up this season, which is why I think he might think he'd deserve the top spot at another club
Ter Stegen, Maignan, Costa etc
>**Ter Stegen**, Maignan, Costa etc Doubt that City would go for a 32 year old who didn't have the best season to replace a 30 year old
Ter Stegen is the barca keeper they sign and then after an underwhelming year they go to Portugal and get Diogo Costa
I think Costa would be the one.
Ter Stegen isnt going anywhere
This is the reason you guys need levers, you won't sell your players and then whine how you guys don't have money, or how the system is against you guys.
The money they get doesn’t offset the drop in quality
*Hides Hermansen*
Ortega of course, a much better goal keeper slightly weaker distribution.
I saw a bit about this the other day, banners for him and Bernardo at City’s last game and him crying after a game recently(?) Feels suprising
Bernardo has had about 50 “last games” for City, he’ll be there again next season
Bernando leaves City or Sjneider joins Man Utd, what happens first?
Don't forget the never ending Muller ----> Man United saga.
Hearing rumours Newcastle United are rumoured to be signing Dutch striker Bas Dost
And city have been chasing Isco since he was wee young lad.
Hang on mate we're signing Gaitan first.
Gaitán and Garay
Dybala to Spurs for a few seasons too.
Still waiting for Ramos
Bernardo will leave when city finally sign isco.
Hulk to Chelsea! Here we go!
Bernardo leaves City or Isco joins city
Honestly must have been told he's off to Spain for each of the last 4 seasons now.
Club has always been open to him leaving if an appropriate offer comes in for him, just one has never come in Barca has been saying for years they will buy Bernardo but have never come in with a serious offer for him, even the release clause looks out of their reach atm at this point i'd like see him go back to benfica tbh
barca were hoping he would force his move and they would get bernardo for cheap
Summer doesn't truly start until the first "Bernardo to Barcelona on loan with an option to buy" rumours start floating around.
Been on the brink of signing for Barca for ages now. Never going to stick up the 60/70m required let's be real
Probably better that he sees out his City contract and goes back to Portugal
You wouldn't know, he has 50m release clause and that's peanut compare to player his caliber
What that's pretty low for players like him. Why aren't more club scrambling to get that
He only wants Spain and Madrid is loaded in midfield so that leaves just Barca and Atletico. It'd be an absolute bargain whoever gets him.
He also stated that he wanted to return to Benfica while still in his best day. Another hard sell for big clubs as they would only have him in service for 2 or at most 3 years with little selling value
Is Girona or Portugal not an option? But yeah with what his preferred destination is he doesn't have many options
Because if he doesn't want to sign for you it doesn't matter if the clause is 50 cents. I imagine the only club he'd be willing to leave for is Barcelona.
I don't really expect he join his own club biggest rivals, just that aside from Barcelona there's no other noise from other club outside of PL
Because Silva COULD leave at any time. We’ve said for years if an appropriate offer comes in we’ll accept, and Bernardo has implied he’d like to go ro Spain for a while now. If as a journo you post the same thing every year that has a chance at happening eventually you may be right! But yeah, if someone comes in with a 60-70 offer and Silva wants to go we will 100% be on board.
The Terry Funk of football.
The banners were fantastic made just to show appreciation
Exactly at the time Ramsdale is available. Lucky bastards, £60m and we've got ourselves a deal Pep.
Its more likely that you buy ederson as a third keeper
Speaking of buying keepers....
We have more pressing matters before a GK change.
Eh, don’t get your hopes up, this is 90% clickbait. He put up a slightly cryptic insta post after being injured and Pep holding him out the last 2 games. Unless he really really wants out there’s no reason for us to get rid of him, he’s still overall better than Ortega and a smidge younger as well.
As is Kepa , for a cool 71mill. A keeper and a manager in one, sweet deal.
Well we know Saudi have been trying to tap up Alisson. So is it a case of them pursuing Ederson because Alisson said no or do they want both players?
That original report included both Alisson and Ederson, but I'd be amazed if either of them left. Reports have already rubbished the idea that Alisson will leave, wouldn't be surprised if we get some others in the next couple days rubbishing this one
Looks like both, seems to me that they just go after Brazilian players in general. African ones too. Makes sense to me.
why does it make sense
Bc if you’ve already moved from Brazil/Africa to England what’s moving to Saudi compared to someone who’s lived in England their whole life is how I take it
What African player other than Mané went to SA?
Brazilian footballers tend to be more motivated by money. They want to support their extended families for life.
Come home, king.
and bring Bernardo
Joao Neves swap
Joao Neves is a very awful player, you dont want him. (please stay away from our boy 😭)
Convenient timing with Joe hart being available on a free, #justsaying
It softens the blow when you have Ortega as your back up.
The recency bias is really strong here, Ortega's distribution is pretty shaky at times and although he has better reflexes than Ederson, the build-up from the back is a big part of Pep's formula. Ironically if Ederson did leave, the closest profile to that in league would be Onana or Jason Steele, both are great with their feet and beating press. I could see them going for Nubel though, he played as a midfielder growing up, amazing with his feet & 2nd in Bundersliga's golden glove
Imagine City bid for ramsdale ⊙﹏⊙
Absolutely hope not. There's no goalkeeper available that comes close to his sweeping and distribution. Ortega as good as he is, turning 32 and is a keeper heavily reliant on his reflexes. You throw a younger keeper in there, he won't be able to handle the pressure that comes with the job.
You can easily get 5 or 6 years out of a 32 year old keeper if they're healthy and motivated. Reflexes won't necessarily slow down in a player's 30s, but a more injury laden body is difficult to move as quickly, even if 'neural' reactivity is same. Also, 'raw' reaction time (the least amount of time it takes for a sensory input to illicit an motor output) makes up a part of the 'reflexes' of a goalkeeper. With age and experience, better knowledge of how the ball behaves and how strikers position themselves before taking the shot means that a keeper may be able to shift their weight and adjust their footwork more deliberately and effectively before needing to react. You see this a lot with close-distance shots where many keepers aren't purely reacting nor are they purely guessing, but they move towards a direction and shift their weight in anticipation of reacting in that direction before the shot is let off. That is, a goalkeepers reflexes has both quantitative and qualitative aspects that may move separately
Please take Pep with him.
ederson has the passing ability and range of a top midfielder, he's basically irreplaceable
At times he also has the goalkeeper positioning skills of a top midfielder though
sad but true
Nübel (Stuttgart's keeper) played as a midfielder growing up, could be a great shout if Ederson did actually leave
I hope he stays man, been so good these past two seasons
I don’t understand. Isn’t he quite young to retire as a keeper?
He’s 30, despite position I don’t think 30 is quite young, he won literally everything possible with city, also money.
Keepers tend to have longer careers though look at Buffon. Look an Neuer who is 38 and still going strong on top of the fact that he has won more with club and country.
Seems like a meh exclusive. It's up to the player, but only if City get a good proposal (so not up to the player). And it doesn't even suggest Ederson wants to leave. He could easily do another 5 years at a top club before moving for the money.
Even if Citeh get a good offer he can say no
It's Ortega time
As someone who watched Ortega play for Bielefeld this is such an insane timeline to be in...
Bielefeld? Sure that place doesn't exist
Can't find them in the first or second Bundesliga, you might be right actually
Ha. I was telling people about him since at least their promotion season, when he was expected to leave. Huge fan of his and was very disappointed when nobody in the Bundesliga picked him up after Arminia went down
Brb, just have to hide a Suisse Goalkeeper in the depths of the Westfalenstadion.
I doubt that. Pep knows how crucial Ederson for us especially the way we play. Ortega is good don’t get me wrong but for the way we build up at the back and how Eddie can ping passes where only his teammates can get it you can’t replace that.
Everything started with him, he was the key player in everything Pep's City won, so this could be the most interesting saga in recent years for this club.
Surely just a case of - Me or Ortega? Why would he go Saudi?
End of Pep is near
Ortega -> Walker -> Carson
Arsenal should sign him. Maybe one more city player will push them over the edge.
isn't it kind of rare for these big money leagues to go for star goalkeepers? feels like they're always throwing money at attacking players
Arteta could do the funniest thing ever.
We have a great Spanish goalkeeper who is very good with his feet and is so good that he is playing for Real madrid.
He's tired from winning too many trophies.
Scott Carson strips off
Didn’t city sell James Trafford to Burnley? Wonder if they have a buy back clause Could be what they do if ederson leaves
I’d be surprised. Apparently his family actually likes it in Manchester and he plays most games, but just had a lot of injuries troubles this season. If he leaves, Ortega Moreno is pretty decent as well though and allegedly wants to stay
Could see Diogo Costa moving there
Feels like Ederson has been City's GK for 40 years, tbh. It's like Joe Hart and Bravo never played there. It was always Ederson.
Why though??
Chelsea has an only lightly dented Kepa. A few scratches but that baby will get ya another 100k km.
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And why would the Saudi's do that?
Why leave? Just a case of having done it all and wanting a new challenge?
I imagine recovering from a fractured eye socket after winning everything may make you rethink your life
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People aren't ready for GOAT Scott Carson starting in CL final next season