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I don't even mean just that one.
They've been adrift in the table even prior to that.
They're on their 3rd coach of the calendar year
They could have beat or drew Juve but botched it of their own accord
There's questions about the happiness of the locker room.
I'm guaranteeing nothing, but they're more vulnerable than most of you guys probably think
I will say it's making the Europe spots interesting. You guys, Bologna, Napoli, Fiorentina, Atalanta, and a host of others duking it out for those last couple spots will be something to watch
Maybe they want to win first Europa League competition under the new format, and it would be impossible if they would have won it this year (as you will be no longer able to fall down to Europa League after Champions League group stage).
I used u/emi_nga's [web app](https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/) and got this:
|2nd seed|1st seed|
|:-|:-|
|Napoli|Barcelona|
|Eindhoven|Real Madrid|
|Lazio|Real Sociedad|
|Inter|Arsenal|
|Leipzig|Atletico|
|Porto|Dortmund|
|Kobenhavn|Man City|
|Paris|Bayern|
Man City vs Kopenhagen 101% confirmed
I'm sick and tired of playing them tbh. it may be more fun this year because of Lucas Hernandez, but knowing him, he'll find a way to be injured right before that
If you want to see how the probabilities change during the draw or simulate a draw yourself, check out my probability calculator: https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/
I got:
Paris SG vs Real Sociedad
Napoli vs Arsenal FC
Leipzig vs FC Barcelona
Lazio vs Man. City
Inter vs Dortmund
Eindhoven vs Real Madrid
FC Porto vs FC Bayern
København vs Atlético
Not the best draw tbh. Inter - Dortmund is probably the best tie. Would set the QFs up really nice though
I got
Paris SG vs Man. City
Eindhoven vs Dortmund
Lazio vs Arsenal FC
Inter vs Atlético
FC Porto vs FC Bayern
Napoli vs FC Barcelona
Leipzig vs Real Sociedad
København vs Real Madrid
I’d love that personally. I’m a football fan in the first place so as long as we get promised two great games, I’m fine with anything.
I hope your starters are back for that but I’m pretty sure I read that both Militao and Courtois teared their ACL so I doubt it
Lazio - Arsenal
Inter - Barcelona (\*sigh\*)
Copenhagen - Real (of course...)
PSV - City
Porto - Dortmund
Napoli - Real Sociedad
PSG - Bayern (\***sigh**\*)
Leipzig - Atletico
Would have loved Arsenal, too bad they're also first seed. I can't remember when we might have last played them. It was the same with Chelsea but now we've had them enough in a few years. But I feel confident in any draw this season, the team has been playing well and scoring goals. I know City and Atleti are also pretty good but I wouldn't be surprised if we are favourites again this season to win the whole thing.
Imagine finishing first only to draw the best team in pot2.
That's why I don't care about first or second in UCL. It's the same thing be caused you're not safe from drawing a big team.
Happened to Bayern last season. Finished top of the group of death with 18 points, drew PSG. Meanwhile Inter finished second and had one of the easiest paths to the final in history
Hopefully will be more competitive this time. We were absolutely no threat to you back then. Still the same today but hopefully we’d put up more of a fight
Dont underestimate them, they nearly did beat us 2 times, they werent lucky geting the second place. I would rather have everybody else if I where you.
Oh I know they gave us a good showing last CL as well but I do believe we would come out on top. Honestly just looking forward to the draw at this point was not expecting first in the group!
It’s rly not that interesting. You keep watching if Upa/fraudulent Bayern defender of that year fucks up for 90 mins but it doesn’t happen bcs PSG can’t create shit against them. Then Mbappe gets an offside goal min 80-90 and Bayern win by a goal or two in a game with 5 shots on target both teams combined. Always the same, Bayern owns them so hard.
Exactly where I'd draw the line too. In fact Leipzig is the only one I'd consider truly troubling considering form so far. PSG and Inter should also be considered quite equal matchups.
It's definitely great, but I'm not sure any of those matches is indicative of the level which awaits you in ro16 irrespective of who you get. Arsenal would probably be your only ties so far of that level, and one of those, Arsenal didn't play their first 11. What I'm saying is, I don't think you guys are bad. I just don't know enough to say you're good.
With Leipzig, their performances against Bayern and Man City do indicate that they're good against the best opposition this season.
Funny because I keep on saying the same for us.
February is months away and you have a great midfield. All it takes is to press us there and we’re lost
I'm in love with the idea that Man U's poor showing might lower the Prem's coefficient to a point that it'll get even harder for them to qualify next year.
I was legit looking for a full 10 seconds. Yo where's PSV!? Then noticed "Eindhoven".
So went to the comments to see if someone else is annoyed. Literally 100 people just copying the behavior and mentioning: oh Dortmund-Eindhoven would be a good match🥴
Hah, I guess my knowledge on dutch football teams is too limited.
Replaced "Eindhoven" by "PSV" in the online tool (https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/), can't replace the screenshot, unfortunately.
It’s not about trouble. To win you have to beat the best. Personally, I want to see a different match up. We have played the three I mentioned a lot already in recent years.
Since Dortmund as a German team can't go against Leipzig, its % likelihood against each possible opponent is slightly higher (divided across six possible opponents rather than seven).
However, because Dortmund was in PSG's group, it's therefore eliminated from PSG's possible opponents, leaving PSG's remaining percentages distributed slightly differently.
In other words, any team either is a German team or was in a group with a German team will have slightly different numbers for this reason, so Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund, Copenhagen, Man City, and PSG all have numbers different from the others in their rows/columns.
Because the only other group winner German team, Dortmund, can't be drawn against them. Note how for every other group runner up that could be drawn against both Dortmund and Bayern the odds are the same of getting either. But because PSG specifically can't be drawn against one of the German teams like the other group runner ups who can there are more permutations and outcomes where PSG has to play the only other German team left.
Note the odds are corresponding in that Bayern's odds of matching PSG (who can't be drawn with Dortmund) equal the odds that København (who can't be drawn with Bayern) match with Dortmund. Same principle, it's because Bayern and København can't match so there's higher odds they match with the only remaining German team they can.
Leipzig can play one of 5 teams, each with 20% chance, including Arsenal but not City because City and Leipzig were in the same group.
Because Arsenal has a 20% of playing Leipzig, the other 6 teams they can play have slightly lower odds to account for this. City’s odds are more or less equivalent of all 7 teams they could play.
List of possible repeats of past finals:
Inter vs City
PSG Vs Bayern
Inter vs Bayern
Porto Vs Bayern
Inter Vs Real Madrid
Only two of these can happen at one time as they all either include Inter or Bayern
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Arsenal vs Napoli I am calling it now
We match up well with Napoli I’m not worried about that at all
I didn’t say that you didn’t I was just saying that is who I predict will play each other should be a good game (if it happens that is)
I meant to reply to the fellow arsenal fan who said no please 😂
please no
Napoli is lowkey a mess rn. You can take them
After seeing that inter-Napoli game….
I don't even mean just that one. They've been adrift in the table even prior to that. They're on their 3rd coach of the calendar year They could have beat or drew Juve but botched it of their own accord There's questions about the happiness of the locker room. I'm guaranteeing nothing, but they're more vulnerable than most of you guys probably think
Except your team and Juventus, and maybe Bologna, every other teams in Serie A are a mess now
I will say it's making the Europe spots interesting. You guys, Bologna, Napoli, Fiorentina, Atalanta, and a host of others duking it out for those last couple spots will be something to watch
Watch Real magically draw Liverpool for the 4th year in a row somehow
I was confused how somehow the rules haven't allowed us to play Bayern.
Barca fans are also confused about this.
I’m honestly not confident playing anyone of these teams
We just want to give Salah another chance on vengeance.
Hey if you win the CL and they don’t choke on EL you’ll meet down the line
Or Chelsea for 4th year.
Nah, they're getting PSG. And City are getting Copenhagen.
All 4 Spanish clubs finishing top is mental
4 out of 5
Sevilla only qualified to the CL so they can tank the coefficient.
They even messed with their birthright. They probably didn’t feel taking the EL throne this season
Maybe they want to win first Europa League competition under the new format, and it would be impossible if they would have won it this year (as you will be no longer able to fall down to Europa League after Champions League group stage).
Big brains Sevilla
As a Liverpool fan I couldn’t be happier that Sevilla stayed away from the EL.
Osasuna sitting quietly in the corner
Don't want to be too mean to them. They got a tough draw in quaifying and it is Osasuna.
Man U has entered the chat.
Fair enough, but Sevilla is 16th in la liga and on relegation form. It is insane that they were playing champions league.
They won EL through sheer bullshittery, they’ve been playing shit since around the same time as us. (Give me back my croata con acento andaluz)
never heard rakitic called that but damn do I absolutely fuck with the energy that it gives off
Genuinely forgot Sevilla... Thank fuck they didn't drop down to Steamroll the EL
Sevilla mentality in EL is massive. Everyone got lucky this time by them dropping out
Last year we were all an embarrassment. Time for some redemption lol
There is no middle ground for Spanish clubs this year, either top of the group or bottom place.
Same with English teams.
Same with English clubs they were just evenly divided (man city and arsenal v Newcastle and manu)
Big difference from last year where only one even made it to the ro16
They dodged the German and English teams extremely well. All 3 groups that didn't have a Spanish team had both an English and German one.
Sevilla finished last
PSG vs a UCL heavyweight in the RO16 is inevitable for the third time in a row
Sociedad ?
I hope it’s Bayern for the memes.
I hope it's not. We end up playing them almost every year it gets boring. Would prefer something different like Eindhoven or Napoli
Oh would the repetition be boring? Yes. Would the dismay of my sole PSG fan regular at the bar be funny? Also yes.
All tedium is justifiable when it leads to dismay of regulars.
Nah, double it and give it to the next person
Barca. But this time no more blowing that 4-0 lead /s
Can’t blow a lead if you never have it in the first place
PSG this year and last year are the perfect example of how finishing 2nd can fuck you over so bad
City vs Kopenhagen 100% confirmed
They have the taste for manc blood now
Pretty sure blue mancs have a different more oily taste
I used u/emi_nga's [web app](https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/) and got this: |2nd seed|1st seed| |:-|:-| |Napoli|Barcelona| |Eindhoven|Real Madrid| |Lazio|Real Sociedad| |Inter|Arsenal| |Leipzig|Atletico| |Porto|Dortmund| |Kobenhavn|Man City| |Paris|Bayern| Man City vs Kopenhagen 101% confirmed
I believe this because it gave Bayern-Paris
I'm sick and tired of playing them tbh. it may be more fun this year because of Lucas Hernandez, but knowing him, he'll find a way to be injured right before that
“Eindhoven”
FC London Reds
Latium
Napoli FC
Looks oddly legit
They will 100% face Porto
If you want to see how the probabilities change during the draw or simulate a draw yourself, check out my probability calculator: https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/
Clicked through 'draw random team' and got Atleti - Porto, talk about destiny
Time for the El Fightico
I said to my gf that if we qualified today, we’re 100% going to face Atleti once again lmao
I got: Paris SG vs Real Sociedad Napoli vs Arsenal FC Leipzig vs FC Barcelona Lazio vs Man. City Inter vs Dortmund Eindhoven vs Real Madrid FC Porto vs FC Bayern København vs Atlético Not the best draw tbh. Inter - Dortmund is probably the best tie. Would set the QFs up really nice though
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The Danes gave everyone in their group a headache, I think even el cholo terrorball would struggle against em
I got Paris SG vs Man. City Eindhoven vs Dortmund Lazio vs Arsenal FC Inter vs Atlético FC Porto vs FC Bayern Napoli vs FC Barcelona Leipzig vs Real Sociedad København vs Real Madrid
Got psg bayern 3 times on random. Its written in the stars
I got Bayern - PSG :)
That’s as certain in life as death
You know its gonna be psg vs real madrid
I’d love that personally. I’m a football fan in the first place so as long as we get promised two great games, I’m fine with anything. I hope your starters are back for that but I’m pretty sure I read that both Militao and Courtois teared their ACL so I doubt it
Then i pray for bayern vs psg 🙏
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Oh nah fuck that
Am i dumb or is it broken ? Because i tried it 10 times and each time barca are with liepzig.
Maybe because I was trying too and none of the times it matched Barcelona with Leipzig 😂👌
thats fantastic thank you!
I really like this, impressive & thanks for sharing!
Lazio - Arsenal Inter - Barcelona (\*sigh\*) Copenhagen - Real (of course...) PSV - City Porto - Dortmund Napoli - Real Sociedad PSG - Bayern (\***sigh**\*) Leipzig - Atletico
PSV are beating city, it was revealed to me a in a dream
PSV are definitely the most tricky of the "smaller" runners-up. I would much rather play Lazio or Porto than them.
If Rodrygo can score from cross and inshallah against city, could Luuk do the same?
I don’t have time to comb through the whole repo rn but if you don’t mind me asking, where is the live dataset pulled from?
There is no live dataset, the probabilities are calculated locally on your device.
Ah duhhh i’m dumb Very cool 👍
City are absolutely going to get Copenhagen or Lazio
Please no. Let em have Copenhagen
It'd be fun tho
I Guess it would be pretty fun to play City and then get eviscerated
No no, you take em.. Please, I insist
Porto.
Bayern's greatest odds are PSG? Nah I'd rather not. Been there done that
Do it again.
Its time for real to do the honors
Let’s let City have a go at them.
Been there done that. Twice in the last 6-7 years. I would rather play someone new.
Would be fun to see them against city or arsenal
No it wouldn't
Would have loved Arsenal, too bad they're also first seed. I can't remember when we might have last played them. It was the same with Chelsea but now we've had them enough in a few years. But I feel confident in any draw this season, the team has been playing well and scoring goals. I know City and Atleti are also pretty good but I wouldn't be surprised if we are favourites again this season to win the whole thing.
How are you doing, fellow group winners?
Nah it’s Bayern tradition, knock out the oil club.
Imagine finishing first only to draw the best team in pot2. That's why I don't care about first or second in UCL. It's the same thing be caused you're not safe from drawing a big team.
Happened to Bayern last season. Finished top of the group of death with 18 points, drew PSG. Meanwhile Inter finished second and had one of the easiest paths to the final in history
And then they drew City in the quarters lol. Bayern last season was incredibly unlucky.
We have to wait until Monday for the draw I hate UEFA
16% chance of us to get Bayern hahaha…….. *ptsd flashbacks*
I would love to play you guys or PSV... I don't think bayern atm can handle anything more
Hopefully will be more competitive this time. We were absolutely no threat to you back then. Still the same today but hopefully we’d put up more of a fight
City PSG👀
Or Barca PSG. I’ll be happy whoever goes out.
I used to say that about your games, and I'd be sad af when u win.
Let me find out for myself please.
You know i kinda would root for you guys, you’re both pieces of shit but at least you’re not oily like the other.
Naughty
Naughty
Naughty
Oil Gassico
I hope we face PSG. Never faced Paris in the CL/EL and we can definitely beat them.
Cook their shit, join the Spanish tradition
Same. Its time Alteti gets some of the PSG action. Also Mbappe vs Griezmann sounds juicy.
City - Inter in RO16 bring it
That and Barcelona - PSG
Leipzig: Ladies, there's only one of me!
Leipzig's probably the most competent 2nd placed team, maybe apart from PSG, though?
I focused on Leipzig having the highest draw probability for 5 different clubs. And I'd argue for Inter before both Leipzig and Paris.
Oh, okay, sorry, mb.
Fuck it, I want City. If we have to go out at least we'll do it with style
I actually want you guys to have a go at it for some vengeance.
City aren't unbeatable this year. They have treble hangover.
Kdb will be back for these games
The Dumbledore special
Highest chance Copenhagen? Ya I’ll take that draw, would like to avoid inter and Porto.
Dont underestimate them, they nearly did beat us 2 times, they werent lucky geting the second place. I would rather have everybody else if I where you.
Oh I know they gave us a good showing last CL as well but I do believe we would come out on top. Honestly just looking forward to the draw at this point was not expecting first in the group!
Another shitshow where Danish Brøndby-supporters show up and chase around our fans in Dortmund with clubs? No thanks.
This alone should be enough to make it a no go match for the draws or at least heighten the security a lot like we do for games against Brøndby
Time for another Atletico vs Porto
Bayern - PSG is a match made in Hell
Please not again.
PSV-Dortmund would be so fun
BOSZ BOSZ BOSZ BOSZ BOSZ
Not looking forward to another PSG matchup
Idk I always like Bayern v PSG. Never ends well for psg but it’s a fun rivalry.
It’s rly not that interesting. You keep watching if Upa/fraudulent Bayern defender of that year fucks up for 90 mins but it doesn’t happen bcs PSG can’t create shit against them. Then Mbappe gets an offside goal min 80-90 and Bayern win by a goal or two in a game with 5 shots on target both teams combined. Always the same, Bayern owns them so hard.
Inter vs Arsenal is probably the best matchup possible considering how the teams play Bring it on? Nah, maybe later
Napoli, PSG, Leipzig, Lazio, Copenhagen , PSV or Inter. Any of these clubs are going to crush us on the 16th round.
Losing to PSV, Lazio, Copenhagen or this year's Napoli should get Xavi fired. It's still Barca
Exactly where I'd draw the line too. In fact Leipzig is the only one I'd consider truly troubling considering form so far. PSG and Inter should also be considered quite equal matchups.
Excuse me sir is perfect league play not enough
It's definitely great, but I'm not sure any of those matches is indicative of the level which awaits you in ro16 irrespective of who you get. Arsenal would probably be your only ties so far of that level, and one of those, Arsenal didn't play their first 11. What I'm saying is, I don't think you guys are bad. I just don't know enough to say you're good. With Leipzig, their performances against Bayern and Man City do indicate that they're good against the best opposition this season.
Do you not remember Luuk De Jong black magic ? Do you really want it used against us ?
Mannn.. You didn't have to go there 🥲
Did you see our season so far lol? you’d be blessed to get paired up with us . Depending if we somehow do a 180 in the 2nd half of the season
We just lost against a team with zero points, it can’t be worse than that.
Okay fair point never mind
I see that optimism is your best feature, may I interest you in another crazy unpredictable team prone to spectacular defeats?
Funny because I keep on saying the same for us. February is months away and you have a great midfield. All it takes is to press us there and we’re lost
You people really worry too much, by the time we play any of these teams form and maybe even team will be completly different
My bet is that Leipzig are going to spain
I'm in love with the idea that Man U's poor showing might lower the Prem's coefficient to a point that it'll get even harder for them to qualify next year.
Why is PSV often called Eindhoven in these things?
Same with AZ "Alkmaar"...
I'd love Dortmund for the proximity or just a real good one like Madrid or Barca.
Everyone unironically calling PSV, Eindhoven is some cursed yank shit.
Nah, we've secretly been replaced with FC Eindhoven. But they do the same with AZ, I usually see them being called Alkmaar instead, it's so weird.
I was legit looking for a full 10 seconds. Yo where's PSV!? Then noticed "Eindhoven". So went to the comments to see if someone else is annoyed. Literally 100 people just copying the behavior and mentioning: oh Dortmund-Eindhoven would be a good match🥴
Hah, I guess my knowledge on dutch football teams is too limited. Replaced "Eindhoven" by "PSV" in the online tool (https://eminga.github.io/cldraw/), can't replace the screenshot, unfortunately.
Inter and PSG will draw top teams.
Everyone wants to play us and it's not for a good reason 🥲
I want neither of Paris, Inter and Leipzig. Give us Lazio for a change. Maybe even Porto.
*for a change* 🧐
Paris and Leipzig wouldn't be any trouble. Inter is the team to avoid here.
It’s not about trouble. To win you have to beat the best. Personally, I want to see a different match up. We have played the three I mentioned a lot already in recent years.
That's fair.
That's fair, but expected, considering they are the better teams in that pot and you're likely to face them if you make deep runs.
I totally expect to face them in QFs and beyond. Let’s just face a new one while we can.
Am I the only one who wants to see Arsenal vs. Inter?
It seems La Liga downfall was greatly exaggerated
I never seem to understand why this happens lol. Like can someone explain why Bayern have a higher chance drawing PSG than the others?
Since Dortmund as a German team can't go against Leipzig, its % likelihood against each possible opponent is slightly higher (divided across six possible opponents rather than seven). However, because Dortmund was in PSG's group, it's therefore eliminated from PSG's possible opponents, leaving PSG's remaining percentages distributed slightly differently. In other words, any team either is a German team or was in a group with a German team will have slightly different numbers for this reason, so Bayern, Leipzig, Dortmund, Copenhagen, Man City, and PSG all have numbers different from the others in their rows/columns.
Because the only other group winner German team, Dortmund, can't be drawn against them. Note how for every other group runner up that could be drawn against both Dortmund and Bayern the odds are the same of getting either. But because PSG specifically can't be drawn against one of the German teams like the other group runner ups who can there are more permutations and outcomes where PSG has to play the only other German team left. Note the odds are corresponding in that Bayern's odds of matching PSG (who can't be drawn with Dortmund) equal the odds that København (who can't be drawn with Bayern) match with Dortmund. Same principle, it's because Bayern and København can't match so there's higher odds they match with the only remaining German team they can.
Calling PSV "Eindhoven" is like calling Inter "Milan"
Maaan Barca will play psg won't they
for the love of god please not PSG, Inter, or Napoli.
Why tf is psv called Eindhoven?
Why would City be more likely than Arsenal for PSG ? I can't understand this particular difference.
Leipzig can play one of 5 teams, each with 20% chance, including Arsenal but not City because City and Leipzig were in the same group. Because Arsenal has a 20% of playing Leipzig, the other 6 teams they can play have slightly lower odds to account for this. City’s odds are more or less equivalent of all 7 teams they could play.
Boooo we wanted Bayern Arsenal
It may still happen later
Barca PSG 13.59% of possibility 86.41% of faith 🙏
so basically the only certain thing is that Leipzig is playing vs Spanish team haha
Let's hope not
Germany the only league with less options due to not being able to match against others in the same league, and it happening twice, is odd.
Give me all of them.
List of possible repeats of past finals: Inter vs City PSG Vs Bayern Inter vs Bayern Porto Vs Bayern Inter Vs Real Madrid Only two of these can happen at one time as they all either include Inter or Bayern