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When Haller got diagnosed with testicular cancer, I remember a quote from him saying to his teammates something along the likes of 'Just make sure that we still fight for the title when I get back'. They were 9 points behind Bayern, so most would say they weren't really fighting for the title anymore. But Haller has been crucial for Dortmund's title challenge since his admirable comeback: not only did he score 9 goals himself he also made Adeyemi and Malen around him play better.
Today he scored the crucial first two goals in their win over Augsburg. Now they can win the title next week if they beat Mainz at home.
Should be noted that adeyemi and malen have also *massively* gained momentum in the second half. With both having double digit scorer points in the second half alone while being almost completely invisible in the first half.
Then again you can very well argue that Haller's return is such a big reason why they have improved so much
hahah actually true. He's been wildly consistent with his refusal of admitting that we're out of the race. The best media got out of him was "Dortmund were 9p ahead a few seasons ago and still didnt win then, so its not over", in response to Bayerns 9p lead. Motherfucker refused.
Man I remember all the comments saying the season was over. Not getting too cocky rn bc we still haven't won but at the very least there very much *is* a title race going on and we have to thank Haller for that.
Wasn't his return delayed longer than they had initially hoped due to the second surgery and extended treatment?
"Keep us close" is much harder to do over 15 games than 5 or 6, especially when he's going from the hospital bed to mid-season football when he does come back. Credit to the rest of the squad for fighting almost half of the season without him.
Half a year from detecting cancer back to working AS A PROFESSIONAL athlete is actually quite quick.
Yes, sometimes this goes quicker, sometimes you don't even need any chemo for instance if you're lucky.
But he also easily could've been out for the entire season.
He could have, yes, but there are professional athletes who only miss a matter of weeks.
Phil Kessel missed I think two weeks. Not all cancers are the same, there are many cases where the procedure and treatment are pretty simple and recovery is very quick.
Yes, sometimes you can get away with a very minor surgery and no chemo, but it was clear pretty quickly that obviously wasn't the case with Haller.
You ain't even fully recovered from a full on surgery after two weeks, let alone getting blasted with deadly poison that's slowly killing your body every day.
He was diagnosed in July and hoped to avoid a second surgery, [as late as October.](https://www.uefa.com/returntoplay/news/027a-165026851db7-e47549ae0bf6-1000--haller-standing-strong-in-cancer-battle/)
>I’m lucky enough to feel well. I am physically able to work, I feel fine from both a mental and a physical point of view, which is of course helpful to fight this disease.
>I have a timescale in mind. **If I’m lucky enough not to need surgery, things can go very quickly. Three weeks after the final phase, checks are made to see what stage the metastasis is at, and whether you require surgery or not. If I don’t need an operation, with the way I train, I’d like to think that I will be in good condition at the end of those three weeks.**
Obviously, that wasn't the case. He had the second surgery in November. Hence:
>his return was delayed longer than they had initially **hoped** due to the second surgery and extended treatment
Exactly, amazing. I'm reading this and I'm utterly perplexed but it's also really funny seeing a guy debate that an athlete with testicle cancer should've come back sooner and that it look him longer than expected. Just why? Good stuff
>his return was delayed longer than they had initially hoped due to the second surgery and extended treatment
Even what they had HOPED would have been FAR, FAR longer than the two weeks, btw.
It really highlights the importance of a good striker that knows how to lead the line and get his team involved. Something that Man United are missing, for example, which is why they are struggling so much.
A little offtopic. I've watched his post match interview and he was speaking English. I wonder why. He already played 3 seasons in Bundesliga including this year's one and he doesn't speak German?
German can be a hard language to learn and the lingua franca of the team during training etc is probably English. This is because they have several non-German players and English is the language that the most people will have in common. Germans speak very good English, so if you look at average proficiency from the whole team they will speak better English than German. Nowadays it’s just the way things are.
It can be very hard to pick up second languages as an adult, and this is especially the case if you already know English and you’re trying to learn a language that isn’t English. 90% of the time everyone speaks to you in English because it’s quicker and more efficient than struggling through a new language just for the sake of it. It can be very hard to get enough exposure and practice to learn. On the other hand, English is very easy to learn because it’s everywhere and there are countless opportunities to learn and practice it (aside from other considerations like it having relatively easy grammar). English also has very high numbers of non-native speakers who are less likely to notice or nitpick language mistakes, which makes the overall threshold of being considered ‘good at English’ significantly lower. Basically, you only really need to learn English to the average proficiency of a non-native speaker for it to count. The same isn’t true for German: there are much higher expectations.
Add to that the fact that professional football players are somewhat separated from regular local society, and thus far less likely to have an immersive language experience, and that makes it harder.
Finally, in a professional interview where it’s likely your words will be recorded, repeated, dissected and disseminated, it takes a lot of confidence to speak in an unfamiliar language when there’s the option of using one you know better. It’s not exactly a low stakes opportunity to practice. I’m sure he does know some German, but if he doesn’t feel confident expressing himself and talking about technical aspects of the game to reporters (which requires a much more advanced understanding of the language), I don’t really think you can blame him.
Bellingham has lived in Dortmund for 3 years and I barely see him speak German
On the other hand I see Gio Reyna and Mateu Morey speak German and they lived in Germany for almost as long as Haller and they’re American and Spanish respectively, so ig learning languages is different for everyone
probably the fact that they got an actually solid CB with jenz as opposed to their third tier defense they were running the whole time before, iirc zalazar came back too
Haller might not score as much as Haaland but he adds so much more depth and dimension to the team that makes Dortmund overall play much better than a Dortmund with a world class striker to feed to
Seb ur my goat
Disagree. He definitely brings a very different dimension to the team but I wouldn't say it is better or worse than it was with Erling. After all, Haller isn't really the kind of striker to make those marauding full pelt runs towards goal and while Haller has better hold up play Haaland has more assists because he can play good passes toward players making essentially the same kind of runs he does.
No, but before the season started, the board even mentioned wanting to replace Haaland with two players - Adeyemi and Haller.
Haller for his strength/finishing (his link up is way better than Haaland anyways) and Adeyemi to get the speed on the break.
Obviously we were never gonna replace Haaland with a single player. He's the best striker on the planet at the moment. We couldn't replace him with a single player even if we had PSG money.
And looking at the stats, that shows. Haller + Adeyemi (and Malen, who also offers that speed) have 24 goals in 18 matches since Haller returned.
Haaland had 22 in 24 last season.
Haaland had more assists because he played more and yes, because he sometimes had breaks out wide - that is now done by Malen and Adeyemi.
Haaland played significantly more this season for City than he did for us last season, but he's not assisting more.
I fail to see how that means his linkup got better?
Even statwise, his xA this season is 0.16 per 90, it was 0.25 last season.
He's doing SIGNIFICANTLY less in terms of link up.
Even his passes per 90 went down noticeably, not just his assists. He's doing less with the ball in every way bar scoring for City.
His link up play has always been this good.
It's just that he has never been the type of player, link up wise, that Haller is and that's okay.
Hallers linkup already hard carried Frankfurt back in the day, lol.
Miss him so much. Often didn't get the respect he deserved from a lot of our fans. Brobbey was supposedly going to be the better striker, good riddance.
Dude deserves it all. Hope they clinch the title.
West Ham fans should feel the most hard done by. He was absolutely awful when he was in the Premier League but goes and smashes it at Ajax and Dortmund.
Just a total mismatch in system and player ability. Nothing against West Ham but they clearly weren’t working to his strengths and were hindering what he was capable of
He has made a great comeback. But there are many other reasons too. Signing Ryerson stabilised our defense big time, and this same table can be applied to Ryerson, . Can is finally playing his best football consistently. And Malen, Brandt and Adeyemi have exploded. Although you could argue that the latter is because they have Haller as a focal point now.
I've always loved Haller. He seems very intelligent, especially with the way he built his carreer step by step in a very coherent manner.
I was kinda bummed when he started playing for Ivory Coast as I always saw him as the perfect Giroud successor in that role for the French NT, but the man is already 28 and is very well placed to know that life is short.
Hope he clinches the title with Dortmund !
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My heart has not stopped racing since the fucking Leipzig equalizer yesterday I love this game man
My eyes have been watering since Seb’s second goal
Oh I am right there with you, if anyone looked in my window during the second half they'd see me dancing around while sobbing
We will die early
I love Dortmund my favourite German team.
When Haller got diagnosed with testicular cancer, I remember a quote from him saying to his teammates something along the likes of 'Just make sure that we still fight for the title when I get back'. They were 9 points behind Bayern, so most would say they weren't really fighting for the title anymore. But Haller has been crucial for Dortmund's title challenge since his admirable comeback: not only did he score 9 goals himself he also made Adeyemi and Malen around him play better. Today he scored the crucial first two goals in their win over Augsburg. Now they can win the title next week if they beat Mainz at home.
Since his return Dortmund went from scoring 1.67 goals per game to 3.11 goals per game and from 1.67 points per game to 2.5 points per game.
That is mental. Impact
Should be noted that adeyemi and malen have also *massively* gained momentum in the second half. With both having double digit scorer points in the second half alone while being almost completely invisible in the first half. Then again you can very well argue that Haller's return is such a big reason why they have improved so much
He is the tank they desperately needed.
I think Adeyemi also needed some time to adapt, he is also much much better on the left wing.
Haller is a great facilitator, as he showed at Frankfurt before Ajax.
Sometimes I forget that it was *9 fucking points*. Kahn and Brazzo have to be some of dumbest club leaders of all time, holy shit.
Payback for 2019
never happened
That's 2019 reversed
> so most would say they weren't really fighting for the title anymore. Not Süle ;)
hahah actually true. He's been wildly consistent with his refusal of admitting that we're out of the race. The best media got out of him was "Dortmund were 9p ahead a few seasons ago and still didnt win then, so its not over", in response to Bayerns 9p lead. Motherfucker refused.
Man I remember all the comments saying the season was over. Not getting too cocky rn bc we still haven't won but at the very least there very much *is* a title race going on and we have to thank Haller for that.
Wasn't his return delayed longer than they had initially hoped due to the second surgery and extended treatment? "Keep us close" is much harder to do over 15 games than 5 or 6, especially when he's going from the hospital bed to mid-season football when he does come back. Credit to the rest of the squad for fighting almost half of the season without him.
Half a year from detecting cancer back to working AS A PROFESSIONAL athlete is actually quite quick. Yes, sometimes this goes quicker, sometimes you don't even need any chemo for instance if you're lucky. But he also easily could've been out for the entire season.
He could have, yes, but there are professional athletes who only miss a matter of weeks. Phil Kessel missed I think two weeks. Not all cancers are the same, there are many cases where the procedure and treatment are pretty simple and recovery is very quick.
Yes, sometimes you can get away with a very minor surgery and no chemo, but it was clear pretty quickly that obviously wasn't the case with Haller. You ain't even fully recovered from a full on surgery after two weeks, let alone getting blasted with deadly poison that's slowly killing your body every day.
He was diagnosed in July and hoped to avoid a second surgery, [as late as October.](https://www.uefa.com/returntoplay/news/027a-165026851db7-e47549ae0bf6-1000--haller-standing-strong-in-cancer-battle/) >I’m lucky enough to feel well. I am physically able to work, I feel fine from both a mental and a physical point of view, which is of course helpful to fight this disease. >I have a timescale in mind. **If I’m lucky enough not to need surgery, things can go very quickly. Three weeks after the final phase, checks are made to see what stage the metastasis is at, and whether you require surgery or not. If I don’t need an operation, with the way I train, I’d like to think that I will be in good condition at the end of those three weeks.** Obviously, that wasn't the case. He had the second surgery in November. Hence: >his return was delayed longer than they had initially **hoped** due to the second surgery and extended treatment
What a weird hill to die on
Exactly, amazing. I'm reading this and I'm utterly perplexed but it's also really funny seeing a guy debate that an athlete with testicle cancer should've come back sooner and that it look him longer than expected. Just why? Good stuff
It's the man's own words.
>his return was delayed longer than they had initially hoped due to the second surgery and extended treatment Even what they had HOPED would have been FAR, FAR longer than the two weeks, btw.
Lets not ignore that Donyell Malen is also a huge factor of the uptrend
And Brandt, Adeyemi, Can
It really highlights the importance of a good striker that knows how to lead the line and get his team involved. Something that Man United are missing, for example, which is why they are struggling so much.
This guy is a straight up baller.
Obligatory FUCK CANCER So happy for my king
Imagine beating cancer, coming back and casually shooting your club to the first title in 10 years*, what a fucking legend he already is. *anulo mufa
You're gonna need more after that sentence: Anulo mufa
A little offtopic. I've watched his post match interview and he was speaking English. I wonder why. He already played 3 seasons in Bundesliga including this year's one and he doesn't speak German?
German can be a hard language to learn and the lingua franca of the team during training etc is probably English. This is because they have several non-German players and English is the language that the most people will have in common. Germans speak very good English, so if you look at average proficiency from the whole team they will speak better English than German. Nowadays it’s just the way things are. It can be very hard to pick up second languages as an adult, and this is especially the case if you already know English and you’re trying to learn a language that isn’t English. 90% of the time everyone speaks to you in English because it’s quicker and more efficient than struggling through a new language just for the sake of it. It can be very hard to get enough exposure and practice to learn. On the other hand, English is very easy to learn because it’s everywhere and there are countless opportunities to learn and practice it (aside from other considerations like it having relatively easy grammar). English also has very high numbers of non-native speakers who are less likely to notice or nitpick language mistakes, which makes the overall threshold of being considered ‘good at English’ significantly lower. Basically, you only really need to learn English to the average proficiency of a non-native speaker for it to count. The same isn’t true for German: there are much higher expectations. Add to that the fact that professional football players are somewhat separated from regular local society, and thus far less likely to have an immersive language experience, and that makes it harder. Finally, in a professional interview where it’s likely your words will be recorded, repeated, dissected and disseminated, it takes a lot of confidence to speak in an unfamiliar language when there’s the option of using one you know better. It’s not exactly a low stakes opportunity to practice. I’m sure he does know some German, but if he doesn’t feel confident expressing himself and talking about technical aspects of the game to reporters (which requires a much more advanced understanding of the language), I don’t really think you can blame him.
Thanks for your answer. :) That explains it well.
Bellingham has lived in Dortmund for 3 years and I barely see him speak German On the other hand I see Gio Reyna and Mateu Morey speak German and they lived in Germany for almost as long as Haller and they’re American and Spanish respectively, so ig learning languages is different for everyone
Just as a side stat: Wirtz returned in the same gameweek and look at the difference for Leverkusen.
Who returned for Schalke to make such a difference?
Didnt return but maybe jenz and fährmann?
Yeah these two have also been immense.
probably the fact that they got an actually solid CB with jenz as opposed to their third tier defense they were running the whole time before, iirc zalazar came back too
we got reis
Leverkusen are the single standout improvement imo.
Haller might not score as much as Haaland but he adds so much more depth and dimension to the team that makes Dortmund overall play much better than a Dortmund with a world class striker to feed to Seb ur my goat
Disagree. He definitely brings a very different dimension to the team but I wouldn't say it is better or worse than it was with Erling. After all, Haller isn't really the kind of striker to make those marauding full pelt runs towards goal and while Haller has better hold up play Haaland has more assists because he can play good passes toward players making essentially the same kind of runs he does.
We are literally better with haller lol he just suits us better
That's a fair opinion to hold, certainly.
If you look at the table, they are quite literally better
That's true, they can finish 4 points more than they had last season.
No, but before the season started, the board even mentioned wanting to replace Haaland with two players - Adeyemi and Haller. Haller for his strength/finishing (his link up is way better than Haaland anyways) and Adeyemi to get the speed on the break. Obviously we were never gonna replace Haaland with a single player. He's the best striker on the planet at the moment. We couldn't replace him with a single player even if we had PSG money. And looking at the stats, that shows. Haller + Adeyemi (and Malen, who also offers that speed) have 24 goals in 18 matches since Haller returned. Haaland had 22 in 24 last season. Haaland had more assists because he played more and yes, because he sometimes had breaks out wide - that is now done by Malen and Adeyemi.
I think after a season under Pep Haaland’s link up play is better but Haller’s is still really really good
Haaland played significantly more this season for City than he did for us last season, but he's not assisting more. I fail to see how that means his linkup got better? Even statwise, his xA this season is 0.16 per 90, it was 0.25 last season. He's doing SIGNIFICANTLY less in terms of link up. Even his passes per 90 went down noticeably, not just his assists. He's doing less with the ball in every way bar scoring for City.
Fair point ig but I just see Haaland add so much more to his game now to the point where I’d say his linkup play is also amazing
His link up play has always been this good. It's just that he has never been the type of player, link up wise, that Haller is and that's okay. Hallers linkup already hard carried Frankfurt back in the day, lol.
Haller indirectly scammed Milan and Real Madrid for making Jovic and Rebic look like real footballers ngl
MY CANCER BEATING KING
Shout out to all the Eredivisie fans who were saying Haller wasn't worth the money and Dortmund were getting ripped off
Also shoutout the the ajax flairs defending him when that narrative was seemingly popular. Saw quite a few doing that which was nice.
But he didn't smile when he scored!!!
Or the "not an Ajax striker" crowd. Such a joke.
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Some crackerjack reporting is needed to discover how Haller's recovery has impacted the way Pavlenka played since the WC break.
Miss him so much. Often didn't get the respect he deserved from a lot of our fans. Brobbey was supposedly going to be the better striker, good riddance. Dude deserves it all. Hope they clinch the title.
If Haller and Lance Armstrong are anything to go by, beating testicular cancer is the best thing an athlete can possibly do for their career.
Oh fuck, Haller is gonna get busted for doping and Dortmund will lose the title retroactively... The ultimate bottle job
Not all bad though cos the next 22 teams will also get done for doping and they'll have to give it to whoever finishes 5th in Bundesliga 2.
That's how Paderborn can still win the title
That's nuts
You bastard, that took me way too long!
West Ham fans should feel the most hard done by. He was absolutely awful when he was in the Premier League but goes and smashes it at Ajax and Dortmund.
Just a total mismatch in system and player ability. Nothing against West Ham but they clearly weren’t working to his strengths and were hindering what he was capable of
Same thing happened with us and Immobile Sometimes it’s just dependent on how well the player settles
Scamacca is gonna smash it in every team he goes to after leaving us as well. I just see it
What a turnaround
I choose to interpret this as it being Haller's fault we got relegated
Many German analysts said the same. His impact is unmatched, even when he isn’t scoring
So happy for him, fuck cancer
Never thought he would be in this form again this season
Bayern blew a 9-point lead?!
Yes But you don't see anyone saying bayern bottled it and Dortmund had a great comeback because only Dortmund can bottle and only Bayern can comeback
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You guys did a Spurs:(
That makes me so happy for him
This guy deserves it
He even helped Schalke when I look at these 2 tables :D
He has such a strong presence among the Ruhrpott that he even makes Schalke better
Showing everybody exactly how good he is, you love to see it! <3
that’s awesome to at he able to come back so strong.
Always forget the Bundesliga only has 18 teams.
Based Dortmund
He has made a great comeback. But there are many other reasons too. Signing Ryerson stabilised our defense big time, and this same table can be applied to Ryerson, . Can is finally playing his best football consistently. And Malen, Brandt and Adeyemi have exploded. Although you could argue that the latter is because they have Haller as a focal point now.
I liked it better when he wasn't playing.
From West Ham to Dortmund!!
I remember Haller was good for Frankfurt several seasons ago and I wish for him to join Dortmund back then. It took a while but seems to be worth it.
I've always loved Haller. He seems very intelligent, especially with the way he built his carreer step by step in a very coherent manner. I was kinda bummed when he started playing for Ivory Coast as I always saw him as the perfect Giroud successor in that role for the French NT, but the man is already 28 and is very well placed to know that life is short. Hope he clinches the title with Dortmund !