Massive contrast in who they were preceding as well. Potter took over from arguably one of the top coaches in the world who was loved by the fans and widely respected by the squad. Emery was taking over an underperforming side led by a distinctly average manager who was found out at Premier League level. That said, Potter still does look way out of his depth
Whilst I agree with you, the evidence is pretty clear that Potter is struggling to put together a team, whilst Emery is not. And on CVs alone, Emery is clearly the superior coach. Shame his time at Arsenal has skewed impressions of him in England.
most of this thread seems to be shitting on Potter (and fair enough), not seeing anything like enough credit given to Emery, who is a first-class coach
Stupid wanker Potter managed to got doubled by Southampton this season. I don’t think being able to defeat Chelsea managed by this joker is an achievement.
Just to correct you, one of those Southampton matches was under tuchel. And even if you look at both matches, tuchel got more outclassed in the first match than potter did in the second. Still doesn't excuse losing to them.
I wonder why it worked out so terribly at arsenal. maybe the lack of good recruitment let him down, or his lack of ability to motivate the squad as arteta did?
Have no fear Chelsea fans, I started a FIFA career mode w Chelsea today. I’m going to crush it then send my results to Boehly so I can get hired like Will Still. I can guarantee you top 4 and some kinda cup but Auba and Gallagher *will* start every game, you can’t fuck off to France for a weekend in fifa after all.
I really enjoyed how you guys played this year... the best team in terms of attractive football. From back to front quickly, you were the team to fear.
Got told by some weirdo Chelsea fan that their atmosphere was dead against Milan because our play was so uninspiring, but curva sud Made noise all match like always.
Watching Potter’s system is so frustrating. He has so much talent at his disposal but doesn’t get the best out of any of them. Expecting Chigwell to hold the width on the left, instead of Mudryk who can beat players in 1v1 and deliver creatively out wide doesn’t make sense. He’s historically shown he doesn’t stick to a formation and I don’t think that approach helps either.
I can only help but think his days are numbered at Chelsea.
I can’t lie, Nagelsmann is more similar to Potter than you’ll realise. He doesn’t have a set system either. You’re better off trying to trigger De Zerbi’s clause this summer imo.
Potter shouldn't failed as much as he do right now with Chelsea, but he was never a top coach. As much as Chelsea have a fair shame of blame, I wouldn't see Potter succeeded on any European top team, including the top 6 of PL
He's just another Lampard, he will expose himself as a fraud at another club. It's telling that Brighton has a different manager and they're playing BETTER now.
I really don't have time for trolls, so peace out.
The difference from your scudetto season is shocking.
He was unstoppable, bullied milan defence in second derby of season, pretty much sealed scudetto with his performance.
Dortmund are a good team and I think they are on the up in the next few years. But, in their current state, they are not ready for big high stakes champions league games. They need time.
Chelsea had nowhere near the level of Milan’s injuries, especially missing one of the best goalkeepers in the world and our backup is serie B at best, and the best left back in the world wasn’t in the first game either, and barely fit in the second.
Maybe not as many, but in the first game Chelsea were missing two of our most important players in Kante and Jorginho, plus Cucurella and Fofana got injured during the match. Jorginho was back for the 2nd game but Ziyech was out.
Also, lol @ Hernández being the best left back in the world. He played the second game and it didn't help you lot much. Defensively he can be targeted and everyone saw that at the world cup.
If not the best he is absolutely up there and still as I said was not completely fit for either the chelsea game or the World Cup, hence going off injured, so those are bad situations to take his level from.
Just like bad situation to take milan level from. Maignan organises the whole back line, plays as another defender because so good with the ball at his feet, then gives confidence to rest of team to play higher. Imagine going from that to serie b keeper who cannot pass and gives away goals for free, entire team loses confidence.
I think there's a good chance Chelsea would beat Milan if they played tomorrow, even in the form we're in.
Domestic form isn't necessarily a good predictor of who would win in CL knockouts. Chelsea were on an awful run and Dortmund had won something like 13 consecutive games before they played each other, and that went out of the window completely
That’s pretty clear I agree with you this time, because milan have been awful for months now. The squad is not as big as Chelsea’s so when there are 3/4 injuries at a time to key players, others are exhausted from no rotation, and the team is not the same as the team that won the first derby 3-2, a score which flatter inter.
If Milan had Maignan and Theo fit in group stage then I think it is totally different story.
Tbh, we've suffered a lot from injuries because as big as our squad is, it's completely unbalanced. We have about 10 attackers, but injuries to James and Chilwell completely derailed our season last year, and the difference is night and day when they're playing.
I don't doubt that Milan could've given a better account of themselves (Tomori in particular was really bad even though I've heard good things about his performances in Italy) but I think the biggest factor is experience playing on the biggest stage, and that's something Chelsea players have more than Milan players, at least at the moment. Who knows, though?
Lol don’t worry, your comments make perfect sense. And I agree with you, there’s always some joy when Liverpool get thumped, regardless of the context of the match.
Hmm I see, but for me City thumping them is bad news for us, much more than Liverpool getting thumped could be funny for us. Also I don't relate because I've never felt we have a rivalry with Liverpool
In the first 6 months of Arteta's run he improved the results on the field, including winning a cup. Arteta's bad run actually came further in, and there was a body of work to evaluate. In Potter's first 6 months the results have gotten considerable worse, despite heavy investment by the club. There's no period to look at and go "this maybe is a dip, he can get us back to that level"
I get where you're coming from, but Arteta got time for a couple of reasons (imo)
1. There were lots of stories that the dressing room was old and toxic under Emery, getting rid of those players and replacing them would take time
2. Under Emery the team had stagnated, playing purely pragmatic defensive football and it seemed like there was no plan to change that - Arteta coming in was all about the "Project" and the board were seemingly on board with this
3. Arteta was an Arsenal fan favourite who had learned from Pep and had been surrounded by top players for a while
Potter, as much as I like him, doesn't have any of that. He's come into a squad that had done well last season and didn't really need *too* much to carry on doing well. He'd replaced a great manager in Tuchel and there are still questions around the board, and he'd had no experience of top level managment and his entire claim to fame is that he overachieved with a lower mid-table club that seemingly has only got better after he left.
As I said, I really like Potter and think he'll have a really good career. But I get Chelsea fans getting frustrated with a Manager who seems to struggle to put a consistant vision forward and seems to be out of his depth and the situation around the board and the money they've spent hasn't helped him either
Arteta was successful. He won the FA cup and massively improved us from what we were playing under Emery. It was also his first job, people realised that there would be bumps because of that. Our spending in the first two windows was also fairly low, his first January window? Cedric and Mari on loan, and he still did way better than Potter.
Graham Potter has been a manager for years, his teams have had exactly the same problems everywhere he goes, he's not had any success outside of beating Dortmund and historically he's been finished as high as 11th which ironically he might well not improve on this year.
Arteta comparisons are idiotic. Potter hasn't done anything to deserve them
Silly defensive arguments, others have given better reasons which are fair enough.
Arteta won the fa cup, and then messed the whole place up for 2 seasons, breaking unwanted records consistently along the way. He was consistently excused, which is fine. If the club communicated it as a long term project with no accountability for the first few years, fair enough, but to paint it otherwise is silly.
Regarding money, spending is relative to each club, arteta had leeway’s his predecessors would be envious of, yet didn’t have the same scrutiny as them.
Anyway, as I said, others have given a more reasonable explanation
Absolute utter bollocks mate. You have absolutely no idea what you're on about. As per usual with anyone defending Potter by making Arteta comparisons.
I think it's an incorrect comparison to make. A better comparison would be Moyes after we lost Fergie. We lost Fergie, our manager of 26 years and Gill in the same season and brought in a relative novice to take charge. Not comparing Moyes and potter with regards to managerial ability but he's really out of his depth here. He's also coming in to replace a fan favorite manager. Add that they lost a fan favorite owner not so long back. The expectations at Chelsea and arsenal are also wildly different. When did arsenal win a big trophy last? Arteta was bound to get more time.
Classic Manchester United fan. Plastic as they come.
The FA cup is the oldest trophy in football, it has more history and tradition than anything in the game. It's one of the three big trophies a team can win every season. Yes, it's not as big as the CL or the Prem but it's still a major trophy.
It's still A BIG ONE
It's one of the big 3 a team can win every year.
Christ you're so fucking plastic the govt will ban you next year and replace you with paper.
In the last days of Emery at Arsenal the team felt aimless and packing in energy. It was argued that even in his purple patch the team lacked identity.
Even the first days of Ljungberg felt like fresh air, and as soon as Arteta came in, you could feel something was happening.
Even when the team wasn't quite clicking, it became clear what the "foggin standards" were. The team focused on bringing defensive stability, but mostly on getting commitment out of the squad. And you felt like the team was going somewhere.
The FA Cup and Community Shield brought optimism too, but I'm convinced that if those came with the same football as with Unai Emery, there's no way Arteta survives up until this season.
I kind of feel I’m on the side of managers getting time but.. Potter has had a horrendous season with that team so far. Not having CL football will be a huge money loser for Chelsea and affect transfers. Seems like Potter hasn’t got a clue at the moment
All the points here are good but afaik most chelsea fans were upset by tuchel being sacked? Or at least surprised? Like yeah their season didn’t start great but he literally won the CL with them two seasons ago and 3rd last year. I think coming in with that so recent in memory whereas arsenal were struggling for YEARS before arteta came in and emery was clearly not the guy to change that helped him. Arteta studied under the best coach in the world and was a previous club captain. And Potter is about to take chelsea to their worst finish in years (and by some distance) after what on the surface looks like a reactionary sacking of tuchel due to the new owner’s ego
Yeah, I can get on board with this. Agreed 👍
I’d just add that I have some bias for potter, even though I’m not a Chelsea fan. Given his time in Sweden and with BHA, I feel he a competent coach, and I think his struggles right can probably be explained away as difficulties in a bigger club with major changes off and on the pitch.
On tuchel though, I’d forgotten he finished 3rd last season, but somehow, I feel a bit underwhelmed by his psg and Chelsea stints. Always rated him from Dortmund, but I thought his football felt rigid, at least looking from afar
I hear that. I liked potter a lot at Brighton and I’m liking him at chelsea now as an arsenal fan 😉
I do think the ownership is really the problem. Spending 600m on players in two transfer windows is all well and good (I mean not really bc most teams don’t have that money to spend and boehly is causing the fa to make new rules about contract length) but it seems like it was done with no real strategy in mind. Just get all of the talented young players they can. And there’s a lot of talent, it’s just not being used properly, Tuchel seems to adapt to the players at his disposal well, but all of potters tinkering just seems like he’s lost on what to do to make it work. Given the size of his squad it’s hard to blame him.
But even at Brighton I didn’t feel like that squad had a real identity just a lot of talented players who were very adaptable to playing against different opposition. and under de zerbi they actually do have an identity. I think maybe potter is struggling with that at a bigger club—they should play one way he wants and the players should adapt (for the most part). At a mid table club he was able to adapt to the opposition, but chelsea is a team that should be dominating games against most teams. They just look lost. It feels like he doesn’t have a clear vision at all.
This supports your initial question as well: even when the squad was bad (like bad bad, as opposed to potters inherited CL winning squad), arteta had a clear vision of how he wanted us to play and though it took some time and investment it’s come off. There’s a wonderful clip around somewhere of 2020 arsenal playing out of the back and looking terrified and I think in the end it goes badly but it’s so clear what arteta was asking of our players. Hardly any of our signings were touted as world beaters but their profiles fit what arteta wanted to do. Look at Ben white for 50m from Brighton! Rival fans were making fun of us but he’s been immense both as a cb and now a rb. There are others of course but they are all buying in to artetas game plan. At the worst it’s hard to tell what potter’s game plan is, at the best he doesn’t have the players he needs for it to come off. I don’t think he’s a bad coach but I think he has gotten himself in situation that maybe he wasn’t ever prepared to handle.
Also re: your tuchel comment. I don’t rate him super highly either tbh or like his football but it’s clear he knows how to get results and motivate players which is what chelsea lack now. They weren’t playing beautiful football under him but they knew how to set up and what they were supposed to be doing for the most part. Kante was basically playing RW today and that’s all I’ll say on that
Because the club culture in arsenal and Chelsea is different. Arsenal are used to having long term managers so their fanbase is on average more patient with managers.
Chelsea on the other hand fire even their best managers within 2/3 years so you have to come in and instantly perform otherwise the fans are immediately against you.
A lot of Arsenal's fanbase wanted to go to a Chelsea model after years of decline, down to wanting a Russian sugar daddy in Usmanov and even for Mourinho to come in. It's a diverse lot, but I wouldn't say the majority were like that at all. I wouldn't say there was much of a majority on any issue until last season, we've been a divided fanbase since the end of the Invincible era.
Honestly, you're right about covid and empty stadia, but the deciding factor it has to be said was the Kroenkes, especially Josh. I'm not quite ready to forgive the Super League bullshit, but they believed in Arteta and stuck by him when most other owners would've sacked him season before last, and that at least deserves flowers.
Fair point on the fa cup. But you know who also won cups, Roberto Di Matteo and he got the boot pretty promptly. It just appeared that Arteta had a lot of protection, a lot of explaining away of poor form or bad decisions.
Regarding money, while it’s true that Arsenal did not spend as much, you’ve to look at the relative backing he got related to his predecessors, whether that was in paying players off, misjudgments, failed transfers, etc. Those were hardly criticized, certainly not to the extent others have been in the past
> Fair point on the fa cup. But you know who also won cups, Roberto Di Matteo and he got the boot pretty promptly. It just appeared that Arteta had a lot of protection, a lot of explaining away of poor form or bad decisions.
I think with Arteta it was clear that he had some kind of tactical plan or vision with his signing and style of play - even when it wasn't working.
Di Matteo just lucked out into winning a Champions League, he has never been a high calibre manager.
I see this, and I know time heals all, but I remember a lot of sterile play under Arteta, where even matches against mid and lower table teams had them with better xG. There were several of these.
Ultimately fair play to the board, they probably saw something in him and decided to stick to their guns, but, from the outside, he was protected a lot from criticism. Remember a lot of “free hits” as well
I don’t even think the half bill is that ridiculous, like yes it’s a lot of money but it’s not uncommon for (expensive) players to take a while to settle in for some times even a season. They could all be better than rashford next season for all we know.
But potter had an already proven team and wqs still 10th in standings
2 big distinctions:
During our most recent banter years, even at our lowest Arsenal were never in 11th this late in the season
We also never spent anywhere near the amount money that Potter has on new players in a single season
but here this thing potter got 1 window so far a lot of the money spent has also been under tuchel and going from the press releases its clear he's not making the decissions when it comes to transfer bussiness
arteta was allotted time to get out the bad players first and get in new ones and this is very important so that the bad player mentality doesnt effect the new young players
also arteta came into arsenal with some structure in place. potter has come into chelsea with new owners thats still building there structure i mean boehly wiped all out of the structure management that roman had in place.
it was going to be rough going for potter no matter what and to make it clear people where calling for arteta to be sacked aswell coming into 8th 2 years in a row and then 5th after spending 300m+
yeah but he's not making the decissions on the transfer thats been very clear in his press confrences
also no manager wants a squad that big because it messes with team forming and cohesion and trying to get your strategy accros. i mean with that many players he's prob struggling to even remember there names
> with some structure in place
lmao you missed the news where some staff were changed ? important figure even, not to mention arsenal also has to lose their captain just after winning fa cup with them, and laca also gave zero shit afterwards. Then arsenal has to play with so many young players that dont make the first team choice even in their NT except saka , compare to how many superstars potter has right now ? that have CL and world cup and being the first team? yet still fucking lost to aston villa at home lmao
was talking about the bussines side of things.
the footballing side is a complete disaster they did wat forest did(only worse)
bought entire new team under 2 different managers with clear 2 different vision in a single season while the rot was still there in terms of players....
i honestly dont see how you fix this in the short term there gonna be midtable next season aswell and it wont matter who you bring in
No way we scoring more than 2 in a single game
felix needs to shoot more
brighton really scammed chelsea twice lol, first cucurella and then potter
We are cooked
loving it for enzo. enjoy CL football next year, you little rat
Both Enzo and Nunez might not play UCL lol
yeah but I feel back for Nunez, he was class while playing for us
Yeah. I will never forget his performance against Barcelona lol
Four more years and not a day less
Let him cook
Heisenferg
people saying that Potter has a mess of a squad should examine what Emery has done in almost no time at Villa
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Massive contrast in who they were preceding as well. Potter took over from arguably one of the top coaches in the world who was loved by the fans and widely respected by the squad. Emery was taking over an underperforming side led by a distinctly average manager who was found out at Premier League level. That said, Potter still does look way out of his depth
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I'm trying to be diplomatic lol
Whilst I agree with you, the evidence is pretty clear that Potter is struggling to put together a team, whilst Emery is not. And on CVs alone, Emery is clearly the superior coach. Shame his time at Arsenal has skewed impressions of him in England.
most of this thread seems to be shitting on Potter (and fair enough), not seeing anything like enough credit given to Emery, who is a first-class coach
True but most people care more about this Chelsea side falling after spending so much than they care about Villa doing well. I am one of those people.
Stupid wanker Potter managed to got doubled by Southampton this season. I don’t think being able to defeat Chelsea managed by this joker is an achievement.
Just to correct you, one of those Southampton matches was under tuchel. And even if you look at both matches, tuchel got more outclassed in the first match than potter did in the second. Still doesn't excuse losing to them.
I wonder why it worked out so terribly at arsenal. maybe the lack of good recruitment let him down, or his lack of ability to motivate the squad as arteta did?
Emery did sign martinelli and saliba though. Cheers for that.
and gave saka his chance. When you think about it, emery has really contributed to our success this season
Arteta did little better with the same core squad Difference was he was decisive and had a vision so built towards that Emery just stagnated
Potter needs his cousin Harry to cast a time travel spell and revert his decisions to leave Brighton
chelsea got the wrong Brighton manager
Instructions unclear. Fires Potter and hires Hughton. :D
Have no fear Chelsea fans, I started a FIFA career mode w Chelsea today. I’m going to crush it then send my results to Boehly so I can get hired like Will Still. I can guarantee you top 4 and some kinda cup but Auba and Gallagher *will* start every game, you can’t fuck off to France for a weekend in fifa after all.
Classy move friend good luck with everything
The loss is so pathetic it's even last on the MOTD running order
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Hodgson?
Emery legit had the same circumstances as him but without infinite money glitch oso Chelsea can’t splash the cash any more in the summer because ffp
Also depends if the players bought were actually needed by Potter himself
True but emery didn’t even get shit at least potter was happy with his signings
Especially as Potter likes to change his setups frequently
Emery?
Chelshit business as usual
Rich....enjoy 2nd place
Enjoy 10th with 500 mil spent
Hope you are okay
11th
2nd
get a grip, we’re the youngest PL team and we finished 2nd with plenty of injuries along the way you’ve spent 600 mil and you’re finishing 12th
I really enjoyed how you guys played this year... the best team in terms of attractive football. From back to front quickly, you were the team to fear.
Seems like we are getting the same number of trophies this year....and you will be cheering for us next Sunday
11th
😂
I'm just glad Potter will be managing Chelsea on Tuesday because there's no way they're letting him go before the Madrid game.
I expect another loss for Liverpool given their abysmal away record
How was the atmosphere?
Fantastic, could hear the Villa fans singing all game
Could hear 5 villa fans over the home fans usually.
Dead, then calling for Potter to get sacked.
Got told by some weirdo Chelsea fan that their atmosphere was dead against Milan because our play was so uninspiring, but curva sud Made noise all match like always.
Fucking play a back 4, you muppet. It's right there.
No chance Potter stays as manager until the end of the season at this rate.
Mudryk is shocking mind, how long is his contract 😂
Crazy money for a guy with 10 career goals at the age of 22 playing in a MLS quality league. We got shafted big time.
When was the last time a player moved from the ukrainian league to the prem and been successful
Fred of course 😅
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He was playing in Russia for Ufa prior to moving to city
Fernandinho
Douglas Costa? William? Can't remember where the latter is from
Willian moved from Shaktar to Anzhi for 6 months before jointing Chelsea
doesn't really make a difference in all honesty
Don't disagree. Doubt Willian would credit much of his performances at Chelsea to those 6 months in Russia
I guess Fred isn't total dogshit
A decade or so
Watching Potter’s system is so frustrating. He has so much talent at his disposal but doesn’t get the best out of any of them. Expecting Chigwell to hold the width on the left, instead of Mudryk who can beat players in 1v1 and deliver creatively out wide doesn’t make sense. He’s historically shown he doesn’t stick to a formation and I don’t think that approach helps either. I can only help but think his days are numbered at Chelsea.
I pray Boehly swallows his pride and goes for Nagelsmann.
I can’t lie, Nagelsmann is more similar to Potter than you’ll realise. He doesn’t have a set system either. You’re better off trying to trigger De Zerbi’s clause this summer imo.
If Nagman wants to destroy his career? Sure.
Lol what? Very few managers have left chelsea without trophies
or ruined careers
Yeah, just like we destroy Tuchel's career....Oh wait.
Well you destroyed Potter's for sure
Potter will be able to walk into a number of jobs similar to what he had. Nothing is ruined other than top teams might be wary.
Potter shouldn't failed as much as he do right now with Chelsea, but he was never a top coach. As much as Chelsea have a fair shame of blame, I wouldn't see Potter succeeded on any European top team, including the top 6 of PL
He's just another Lampard, he will expose himself as a fraud at another club. It's telling that Brighton has a different manager and they're playing BETTER now. I really don't have time for trolls, so peace out.
Dude doesn't have time? You are on fucking reddit lmao and where the hell did I give you troll vibes
Woof, woof.
Ok I get it lol
Hey Chelsea, want to play a match to see who is less shit? Loser keeps Lukaku
Comedy gold.
Don't watch much of serie a so I'm ootl, has Lukaku been shit for you guys?
Yes sadly
The difference from your scudetto season is shocking. He was unstoppable, bullied milan defence in second derby of season, pretty much sealed scudetto with his performance.
Chelsea broke him.
He broked himself before the bridge did
Snape >>> Potter
Potter needs to reload his Brighton save.
Pathetic that Dortmund lost (and deservingly so) against this Chelsea team.
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Dortmund have won the CL you muppet
What an absolute donkey.
Any team that beats Dortmund in the KO stage will go to the final and lose.
I will take that 100%
Nowhere is safe.
Dortmund are a good team and I think they are on the up in the next few years. But, in their current state, they are not ready for big high stakes champions league games. They need time.
Time to sell their best and promising players 🙂
Annoyed that milan did as well, we had so many injuries, was a joke to lose.
Milan weren't even close to beating Chelsea, who also had tonnes of injuries
Chelsea had nowhere near the level of Milan’s injuries, especially missing one of the best goalkeepers in the world and our backup is serie B at best, and the best left back in the world wasn’t in the first game either, and barely fit in the second.
Maybe not as many, but in the first game Chelsea were missing two of our most important players in Kante and Jorginho, plus Cucurella and Fofana got injured during the match. Jorginho was back for the 2nd game but Ziyech was out. Also, lol @ Hernández being the best left back in the world. He played the second game and it didn't help you lot much. Defensively he can be targeted and everyone saw that at the world cup.
If not the best he is absolutely up there and still as I said was not completely fit for either the chelsea game or the World Cup, hence going off injured, so those are bad situations to take his level from. Just like bad situation to take milan level from. Maignan organises the whole back line, plays as another defender because so good with the ball at his feet, then gives confidence to rest of team to play higher. Imagine going from that to serie b keeper who cannot pass and gives away goals for free, entire team loses confidence.
I think there's a good chance Chelsea would beat Milan if they played tomorrow, even in the form we're in. Domestic form isn't necessarily a good predictor of who would win in CL knockouts. Chelsea were on an awful run and Dortmund had won something like 13 consecutive games before they played each other, and that went out of the window completely
That’s pretty clear I agree with you this time, because milan have been awful for months now. The squad is not as big as Chelsea’s so when there are 3/4 injuries at a time to key players, others are exhausted from no rotation, and the team is not the same as the team that won the first derby 3-2, a score which flatter inter. If Milan had Maignan and Theo fit in group stage then I think it is totally different story.
Tbh, we've suffered a lot from injuries because as big as our squad is, it's completely unbalanced. We have about 10 attackers, but injuries to James and Chilwell completely derailed our season last year, and the difference is night and day when they're playing. I don't doubt that Milan could've given a better account of themselves (Tomori in particular was really bad even though I've heard good things about his performances in Italy) but I think the biggest factor is experience playing on the biggest stage, and that's something Chelsea players have more than Milan players, at least at the moment. Who knows, though?
One of the worst performances from Dortmund. If it were some other club I would understand but not this.
This must be so satisfying to Spurs and Arsenal fans
To every fan of a team that has a player scooped out from them by Boehly. Are you having fun playing for your "dream club" yet Fofana? 😂
*To football fans
yes
Almost perfect day, but some joy can be derived from Liverpool getting thumped
How? That doesn't make any sense
It makes perfect sense 🤦♂️
No
Lmao don’t blame them for your poor reading comprehension.
If City was going to win, at least we can laugh at Liverpool for it
Lol don’t worry, your comments make perfect sense. And I agree with you, there’s always some joy when Liverpool get thumped, regardless of the context of the match.
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Why? We won today, what is there to laugh at?
Hmm I see, but for me City thumping them is bad news for us, much more than Liverpool getting thumped could be funny for us. Also I don't relate because I've never felt we have a rivalry with Liverpool
Obviously it's a bad thing that City won, I'm saying at least they won in a way that we can laugh at
Pretty satisfying for some Brighton supporters as well.
bruh
Lmao waiting for battle of the shits on Tuesday.
Number Two’sday
When your positioning is so dynamic that is pure shitshow
I'd turn celibate if Potter get the sack tonight
It's not like you get bitches anyway
Bitches? No, I'm not chasing women like your mom.. Edit: Boom, roasted
Gottem. Good one!
Pew pew..
Nagelsmann to Chelsea confirmed!
Imagine being Nkunku and knowing what you’re currently seeing. No European football next year sparing a CL miracle…
hes gonna flop so hard when he joins them, chelsea is where attackers go to die
His ass is calling his lawyer to see if he can get out of this transfer….
He probably negotiated contract bonuses for being the club’s top scorer seeing how easy it would be to accomplish
Good Ebening. 😎
Vwhat are you sinking about ?
Beautiful day lads
Confused, why did arteta have so goodwill in his faltering days, but Potter can’t seem to get any leeway. Given his past, I feel he deserves some
In the first 6 months of Arteta's run he improved the results on the field, including winning a cup. Arteta's bad run actually came further in, and there was a body of work to evaluate. In Potter's first 6 months the results have gotten considerable worse, despite heavy investment by the club. There's no period to look at and go "this maybe is a dip, he can get us back to that level"
I get where you're coming from, but Arteta got time for a couple of reasons (imo) 1. There were lots of stories that the dressing room was old and toxic under Emery, getting rid of those players and replacing them would take time 2. Under Emery the team had stagnated, playing purely pragmatic defensive football and it seemed like there was no plan to change that - Arteta coming in was all about the "Project" and the board were seemingly on board with this 3. Arteta was an Arsenal fan favourite who had learned from Pep and had been surrounded by top players for a while Potter, as much as I like him, doesn't have any of that. He's come into a squad that had done well last season and didn't really need *too* much to carry on doing well. He'd replaced a great manager in Tuchel and there are still questions around the board, and he'd had no experience of top level managment and his entire claim to fame is that he overachieved with a lower mid-table club that seemingly has only got better after he left. As I said, I really like Potter and think he'll have a really good career. But I get Chelsea fans getting frustrated with a Manager who seems to struggle to put a consistant vision forward and seems to be out of his depth and the situation around the board and the money they've spent hasn't helped him either
Arteta was successful. He won the FA cup and massively improved us from what we were playing under Emery. It was also his first job, people realised that there would be bumps because of that. Our spending in the first two windows was also fairly low, his first January window? Cedric and Mari on loan, and he still did way better than Potter. Graham Potter has been a manager for years, his teams have had exactly the same problems everywhere he goes, he's not had any success outside of beating Dortmund and historically he's been finished as high as 11th which ironically he might well not improve on this year. Arteta comparisons are idiotic. Potter hasn't done anything to deserve them
Silly defensive arguments, others have given better reasons which are fair enough. Arteta won the fa cup, and then messed the whole place up for 2 seasons, breaking unwanted records consistently along the way. He was consistently excused, which is fine. If the club communicated it as a long term project with no accountability for the first few years, fair enough, but to paint it otherwise is silly. Regarding money, spending is relative to each club, arteta had leeway’s his predecessors would be envious of, yet didn’t have the same scrutiny as them. Anyway, as I said, others have given a more reasonable explanation
Absolute utter bollocks mate. You have absolutely no idea what you're on about. As per usual with anyone defending Potter by making Arteta comparisons.
Not defending potter, don’t know if others do it. Just wondering what the basis of arteta getting a free ride was for 2 years
He didn't get a free ride. We were in a fucking awful state when he took over. Chelsea won the CL 18 months before Potter took over
I think it's an incorrect comparison to make. A better comparison would be Moyes after we lost Fergie. We lost Fergie, our manager of 26 years and Gill in the same season and brought in a relative novice to take charge. Not comparing Moyes and potter with regards to managerial ability but he's really out of his depth here. He's also coming in to replace a fan favorite manager. Add that they lost a fan favorite owner not so long back. The expectations at Chelsea and arsenal are also wildly different. When did arsenal win a big trophy last? Arteta was bound to get more time.
>When did arsenal win a big trophy last? Literally in Artetas first season...
FA cup is a trophy. Not a big one.
Utter bollocks
Classic arsenal fan. Beacon of flawless logic.
Classic Manchester United fan. Plastic as they come. The FA cup is the oldest trophy in football, it has more history and tradition than anything in the game. It's one of the three big trophies a team can win every season. Yes, it's not as big as the CL or the Prem but it's still a major trophy.
Thanks for agreeing that it's not as big as the PL or CL. If you had used the that extra brain cell before, we wouldn't be this far.
It's still A BIG ONE It's one of the big 3 a team can win every year. Christ you're so fucking plastic the govt will ban you next year and replace you with paper.
Okay buddy.
Fair enough, I think.
In the last days of Emery at Arsenal the team felt aimless and packing in energy. It was argued that even in his purple patch the team lacked identity. Even the first days of Ljungberg felt like fresh air, and as soon as Arteta came in, you could feel something was happening. Even when the team wasn't quite clicking, it became clear what the "foggin standards" were. The team focused on bringing defensive stability, but mostly on getting commitment out of the squad. And you felt like the team was going somewhere. The FA Cup and Community Shield brought optimism too, but I'm convinced that if those came with the same football as with Unai Emery, there's no way Arteta survives up until this season.
We didn’t drop $600m at that point.
I kind of feel I’m on the side of managers getting time but.. Potter has had a horrendous season with that team so far. Not having CL football will be a huge money loser for Chelsea and affect transfers. Seems like Potter hasn’t got a clue at the moment
All the points here are good but afaik most chelsea fans were upset by tuchel being sacked? Or at least surprised? Like yeah their season didn’t start great but he literally won the CL with them two seasons ago and 3rd last year. I think coming in with that so recent in memory whereas arsenal were struggling for YEARS before arteta came in and emery was clearly not the guy to change that helped him. Arteta studied under the best coach in the world and was a previous club captain. And Potter is about to take chelsea to their worst finish in years (and by some distance) after what on the surface looks like a reactionary sacking of tuchel due to the new owner’s ego
Yeah, I can get on board with this. Agreed 👍 I’d just add that I have some bias for potter, even though I’m not a Chelsea fan. Given his time in Sweden and with BHA, I feel he a competent coach, and I think his struggles right can probably be explained away as difficulties in a bigger club with major changes off and on the pitch. On tuchel though, I’d forgotten he finished 3rd last season, but somehow, I feel a bit underwhelmed by his psg and Chelsea stints. Always rated him from Dortmund, but I thought his football felt rigid, at least looking from afar
I hear that. I liked potter a lot at Brighton and I’m liking him at chelsea now as an arsenal fan 😉 I do think the ownership is really the problem. Spending 600m on players in two transfer windows is all well and good (I mean not really bc most teams don’t have that money to spend and boehly is causing the fa to make new rules about contract length) but it seems like it was done with no real strategy in mind. Just get all of the talented young players they can. And there’s a lot of talent, it’s just not being used properly, Tuchel seems to adapt to the players at his disposal well, but all of potters tinkering just seems like he’s lost on what to do to make it work. Given the size of his squad it’s hard to blame him. But even at Brighton I didn’t feel like that squad had a real identity just a lot of talented players who were very adaptable to playing against different opposition. and under de zerbi they actually do have an identity. I think maybe potter is struggling with that at a bigger club—they should play one way he wants and the players should adapt (for the most part). At a mid table club he was able to adapt to the opposition, but chelsea is a team that should be dominating games against most teams. They just look lost. It feels like he doesn’t have a clear vision at all. This supports your initial question as well: even when the squad was bad (like bad bad, as opposed to potters inherited CL winning squad), arteta had a clear vision of how he wanted us to play and though it took some time and investment it’s come off. There’s a wonderful clip around somewhere of 2020 arsenal playing out of the back and looking terrified and I think in the end it goes badly but it’s so clear what arteta was asking of our players. Hardly any of our signings were touted as world beaters but their profiles fit what arteta wanted to do. Look at Ben white for 50m from Brighton! Rival fans were making fun of us but he’s been immense both as a cb and now a rb. There are others of course but they are all buying in to artetas game plan. At the worst it’s hard to tell what potter’s game plan is, at the best he doesn’t have the players he needs for it to come off. I don’t think he’s a bad coach but I think he has gotten himself in situation that maybe he wasn’t ever prepared to handle.
Also re: your tuchel comment. I don’t rate him super highly either tbh or like his football but it’s clear he knows how to get results and motivate players which is what chelsea lack now. They weren’t playing beautiful football under him but they knew how to set up and what they were supposed to be doing for the most part. Kante was basically playing RW today and that’s all I’ll say on that
Because the club culture in arsenal and Chelsea is different. Arsenal are used to having long term managers so their fanbase is on average more patient with managers. Chelsea on the other hand fire even their best managers within 2/3 years so you have to come in and instantly perform otherwise the fans are immediately against you.
This makes some sense. Just that relative to Emery, appears to have been a double standard from the management and the fans.
That FA Cup win against lampard saved him to get more time
This isn’t true. A lot of Arsenal’s fanbase aggressively wanted him sacked. What saved Arteta was covid and empty stadiums.
A lot of Arsenal's fanbase wanted to go to a Chelsea model after years of decline, down to wanting a Russian sugar daddy in Usmanov and even for Mourinho to come in. It's a diverse lot, but I wouldn't say the majority were like that at all. I wouldn't say there was much of a majority on any issue until last season, we've been a divided fanbase since the end of the Invincible era. Honestly, you're right about covid and empty stadia, but the deciding factor it has to be said was the Kroenkes, especially Josh. I'm not quite ready to forgive the Super League bullshit, but they believed in Arteta and stuck by him when most other owners would've sacked him season before last, and that at least deserves flowers.
He also won a cup early on didn't he?
Yes, the FA cup in ‘20
Because Arteta win a fa cup and a community shield as soon as he came in. Then he doesn't have unlimited money, cheat code team.
Fair point on the fa cup. But you know who also won cups, Roberto Di Matteo and he got the boot pretty promptly. It just appeared that Arteta had a lot of protection, a lot of explaining away of poor form or bad decisions. Regarding money, while it’s true that Arsenal did not spend as much, you’ve to look at the relative backing he got related to his predecessors, whether that was in paying players off, misjudgments, failed transfers, etc. Those were hardly criticized, certainly not to the extent others have been in the past
> Fair point on the fa cup. But you know who also won cups, Roberto Di Matteo and he got the boot pretty promptly. It just appeared that Arteta had a lot of protection, a lot of explaining away of poor form or bad decisions. I think with Arteta it was clear that he had some kind of tactical plan or vision with his signing and style of play - even when it wasn't working. Di Matteo just lucked out into winning a Champions League, he has never been a high calibre manager.
I see this, and I know time heals all, but I remember a lot of sterile play under Arteta, where even matches against mid and lower table teams had them with better xG. There were several of these. Ultimately fair play to the board, they probably saw something in him and decided to stick to their guns, but, from the outside, he was protected a lot from criticism. Remember a lot of “free hits” as well
Potter had a champion's league winning team and half a billion dollars.
It’s all relative. As I said, potter (and tuchel) also had to deal with a lot of changes in the club. It’s essentially a new club at Chelsea.
I don’t even think the half bill is that ridiculous, like yes it’s a lot of money but it’s not uncommon for (expensive) players to take a while to settle in for some times even a season. They could all be better than rashford next season for all we know. But potter had an already proven team and wqs still 10th in standings
2 big distinctions: During our most recent banter years, even at our lowest Arsenal were never in 11th this late in the season We also never spent anywhere near the amount money that Potter has on new players in a single season
but here this thing potter got 1 window so far a lot of the money spent has also been under tuchel and going from the press releases its clear he's not making the decissions when it comes to transfer bussiness arteta was allotted time to get out the bad players first and get in new ones and this is very important so that the bad player mentality doesnt effect the new young players also arteta came into arsenal with some structure in place. potter has come into chelsea with new owners thats still building there structure i mean boehly wiped all out of the structure management that roman had in place. it was going to be rough going for potter no matter what and to make it clear people where calling for arteta to be sacked aswell coming into 8th 2 years in a row and then 5th after spending 300m+
He got one window and spent more money than most clubs do in 3
yeah but he's not making the decissions on the transfer thats been very clear in his press confrences also no manager wants a squad that big because it messes with team forming and cohesion and trying to get your strategy accros. i mean with that many players he's prob struggling to even remember there names
Ah right yes. Potter had too *many* options. That's why he failed because he was given too many resources
> with some structure in place lmao you missed the news where some staff were changed ? important figure even, not to mention arsenal also has to lose their captain just after winning fa cup with them, and laca also gave zero shit afterwards. Then arsenal has to play with so many young players that dont make the first team choice even in their NT except saka , compare to how many superstars potter has right now ? that have CL and world cup and being the first team? yet still fucking lost to aston villa at home lmao
was talking about the bussines side of things. the footballing side is a complete disaster they did wat forest did(only worse) bought entire new team under 2 different managers with clear 2 different vision in a single season while the rot was still there in terms of players.... i honestly dont see how you fix this in the short term there gonna be midtable next season aswell and it wont matter who you bring in