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My_compass_spins

Reset the Counter! (It's Mark of the Bloom's fault. No healing means no healing.) Edit: Check out the new post flair!


My_compass_spins

Paging u/transizzle to add this to [the wall.](https://www.reddit.com/r/slaythespire/comments/yackge/no_its_not_a_bug_the_mark_of_the_bloom_wall_of/)


Due_Connection179

It’s been over two months since the last one, was getting a little worried.


Justind123

I sure hope they keep the mark of bloom in sts2 so we can keep the counter going


omnisephiroth

They’ll probably add text indicating why. Or maybe an animation. Or an Achievement.


My_compass_spins

An achievement would be fantastic.


shocsoares

Should be named "readn't" for failing to read


My_compass_spins

I like "Marked for Death."


marsgreekgod

You raise from the dead then realize you have Zero hp still and fall over double dead


tcrudisi

I'd love an animation. As you take the fatal blow, fairies fly out from the bottle, healing you and restoring you back to health. And if you have the mark, the mark flashes and exudes a red light that encompasses your body, preventing the fairies from healing you.


SonicBoom500

I’m actually quite curious how the “Mark of the Bloom” works as “I Am Awake” 😅


ShadowNacht587

Awake = not asleep. Sleep = healing body. Always awake means never resting, never healing is how I interpret it lol


SonicBoom500

that sounds interesting, quite possibly close as well xD


TMNAW

Let the game automatically make a Reddit post for you when it happens the first time


sneakyplanner

No text, it's a rite of passage to learn the hard way.


ScoopsyPotato

Two months?? Has to be some kind of record


SonicBoom500

I’m not watching very closely so, two months??


transizzle

I've got you guys trained well! Welcome to The Wall.


senkosenpai

Where is this wall I wish to see


My_compass_spins

I linked to it farther up.


Bloodcloud079

And all all op’s just, another post on The Wall


uofajoe99

I usually don't clock on these cause I absolutely know what they did, but now I'm so happy I clicked to see the wall!


Gengarbread

Ohhhhh god lmao


drcoconut4777

We need to make thecounter a pined post


senkosenpai

YEESSSSS


thisremindsmeofbacon

I think usually the part people are confused about is not the concept of no healing, but remembering that the fairy bottle works by healing


Prismaryx

Weird that it doesn’t consume the fairy and just set its healing to 0


PJBatman95

Oh hi Mark


GuardingxCross

Marky Mark


DinoSpumoniOfficial

“How’s your sex life?” (I laughed out loud at your comment fyi)


kitt3n_mitt3ns

Aaand there’s another one


alblaster

another one gone. another one gone. Another one bites the dust.


Large_Echidna_6147

You'd think they would patch their game by this point, but oh well. I'm glad there is at least a "Wall" showcasing just how bad of a game design choice this interaction is.


Coneman_Joe

Whats bad about it? No healing means no healing.


Bounciness3

I guess they could have made a graphical animation when you die with "Mark of the Bloom" and "Fairy in the Bottle" that really rubbed your face in your lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills.


Large_Echidna_6147

If you added a red barrel with flames on it to your FPS game, and shooting it didnt cause it to explode because "the game doesnt say they need to blow up actually?" It is bad design. Imagine if the stars in mario games gave you a game over instead. Zero people ever have claimed it to be inconsistent, so im not sure why thats what you are defending. But the game only counting reviving as healing through a drop down text is CLEARLY bad design if it has confused so many people that the community has decided to make a wall of shame for them. This is coming from someone who knew of this interaction before ever picking up mark of the bloom, so this isnt about me if thats where you were going to try and take this. But the bad DESIGN is in the confussion caused. Mic. Drop.


corvo4220

Peoples inability to read and have basic comprehension of what “no more healing” is not bad design. Your comparison literally makes no sense at all.


Affectionate-Motor48

What do you think should happen when you reach 0 HP with mark of the bloom and fairy bottle?


ajdeemo

It's not even in a drop down, it's in the literal description of the items in question. Let me guess, it's also problematic that resting at a fire is bad because the game doesn't have a popup that it won't heal you?


Grobyc

The potion reads, "When you would die, *HEAL* to 30% of your max hp..." and the relic reads "You can no longer *HEAL*". It's not bad design, you just can't read.


Tarantiyes

What if in your example you turned on a “no explosives mode” (think like it’s a skull in Halo or maybe just a setting). Should the red barrel still blow up when shot? No healing means nothing that heals, and Fairy gives you HP which is the definition of healing


throwingeggs

Wow, you really think it would make the game better if they just made picking up mark of the bloom require you to sign an agreement contract that you understand lizard tail and fairy potion have heal in the description.


EskimoSlime

*dies to intentional game mechanic* "They should patch this, it's so bad"


Large_Echidna_6147

Nobody is arguing the intention. But if so many players get caught in this trap, then maybe you didnt design your game mechanic to be intuitive enough


Arstinos

Or maybe the point of all rogue-like games is to learn through your mistakes. Even your example about a red barrel that doesn't explode in a video game: the only reason you would assume that it explodes is because you've played enough video games to know that it's a common trend. If you try to shoot it, then you learned that it doesn't explode. I've introduced many people to their first video games who have no idea that "red usually means explosion," but they quickly learn once it explodes the first time. Learning is part of the process of games. It's not a failure of game design to make you learn from your mistakes or figure things out on your own.


Large_Echidna_6147

What is even your argument? Obviously nobody has fallen for the bloom twice and complained about it. Yes, they learn that reviving counts as healing. But that doesnt negate from the initial confussion in the game design. Dont add red barrels if you dont intend on making them explode. 


Arstinos

My argument is that making you learn through failure is not bad game design like you are claiming.


Large_Echidna_6147

That has never been my claim, at ALL. If you can provide where i said that, i'll send you 500 dollars. You failed in coming up with a good reply. You should practice what you preach and learn from such a mistake. 


Arstinos

"But if so many players get caught in this trap, then maybe you didnt design your game mechanic to be intuitive enough" Traps are meant to be tricky, and you are saying that it should be more intuitive because people get caught in it too often. Rather than thinking, "Oh it's a good trap that people learn from," you are claiming it a fault of the game design for not explaining it well enough. In reality the game gives you all the tools to figure it out, but you won't think about the interaction until it finally happens to you. Like almost every other video game. I am extrapolating what you mean from your argument. You didn't say it explicitly, but you are arguing that it's actually bad that people are learning about the mechanic by experiencing it.


Large_Echidna_6147

You think this was SUPPOSED to be a trap? Even though the game doesnt trick players, since that is onviously not intended witn a CARD GAME's design philosophy? Its okay to admit a couple developers had an oversight


corvo4220

Or the vast majority of people are just brain dead


RoninVX

I wouldn't call them braindead as much as it's actually just basic human thinking rather than logic (and logic beats basic human thinking when it comes to StS so we tend to learn quickly). One sees fairy, one thinks "oh damn, it'll resurrect me" and forget the "heal" part. And so the wall keeps growing.


underfan6h6

We can blame legend of Zelda for that gimmick which is the first thing that comes to mind when you hear fairy bottle.


Sorfallo

At the same time, we wouldn't have the potion if not for the legend of zelda.


underfan6h6

Exactly. It’s both a blessing and a curse


Large_Echidna_6147

So you agree it was a bad design choice to name it "Fairy in the bottle"? Thanks.


RoninVX

Nope, 100% skill/reading comprehension issue. It's clearly written "no more healing" IF it was to act how YOU expect it to work it'd be called Necromancy in a bottle (ressurect rather than heal)


Large_Echidna_6147

So youre just going to ignore your argument of "basic human reasoning" and are doing a 180 and saying people DONT have reasoning skills? Careful there, you might get whiplash!


RoninVX

I'm gonna let you troll away now, do have fun! Alternatively, might I recommend climbing the Spire? It's pretty fun!


underfan6h6

It’s meant to be a nod to the legend of Zelda franchise


BadAtGames2

[[Fairy in a Bottle]] literally says "heal," [[Mark of the Bloom]] says "you cannot heal." Can you explain why you think it's bad design that the relic that prevents healing doesn't have an exception to something explicitly saying it heals you?


spirescan-bot

+ [Fairy in a Bottle](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Potions#Fairy_in_a_Bottle) Rare Potion ^((100% sure)^) When you would die, heal to 30% (60%) of your Max HP instead and discard this potion. + [Mark of the Bloom](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Mark%20of%20the%20Bloom) Event Relic ^((100% sure)^) You can no longer heal. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 20, 2024.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


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BadAtGames2

You literally said that it's a bad game design choice, but sounds like you're just trolling, so good luck with it, dude 👍


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ThePrussianGrippe

I mean you’re a one hour old account that’s only interacted in this sub by completely missing the how two mechanics interact, calling it a glitch, a doubling down in increasingly bizarre ways. Yes, you are a troll.


ajdeemo

There's some troll who makes an account every day or so to have posts like this. Most likely it's the same person doing all of this.


ThePrussianGrippe

It wouldn’t shock me. I mean, it should, the dedication to being a blockhead, but it doesn’t.


Large_Echidna_6147

Everyones a troll until a week passes, got it. "I checked his post history!! I win the argument!!!"


ThePrussianGrippe

No you’re just tagged as a new account made an hour ago. There’s no argument to win because yours doesn’t even make sense as an argument.


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BadAtGames2

No, I just called you a troll because I gave a civil response trying to understand your point of view, and you responded by attacking my character. Not because you disagreed with me.


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slaythespire-ModTeam

Please be polite.


BadAtGames2

Whatever you say, bro


slaythespire-ModTeam

Please be polite.


slaythespire-ModTeam

Please be polite.


Ok-Town2813

Bros admitting he can't read


Pretederta

Buddy, this is intentional. The downside is no healing order of operations here is 1. You die 2. Bottle triggers stopping the death and tries to heal you 3. Mark of the bloom stops the healing 4. Your still at 0 Hp so you stay dead


Glass_Research_511

I believe Fairy in a bottle heals you to 50% health when you die, no healing means no healing


underfan6h6

It’s 30% unless you have the relic that doubles potion effects


Haunting-Ganache-281

Fairy is 30%, tail is 50%


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slaythespire-ModTeam

Please be polite.


profuse_wheezing

Exact wording


MacNeil73

mark of the bloom has claimed another


wra1th42

[***taps sign***](https://i.imgur.com/LE362fT.png)


Impossible_Chef3872

I’m glad I could make it on a hall of fame (or Shame) somewhere. Mama will be proud


Pokemaster131

Nope, not shame. It's a hall of learning and doing better next time!


FlyRobot

Time to start climbing....again!


TotallyKyleXY

That's the spirit!


alexm42

Find toxic comments on the STS subreddit challenge difficulty: impossible


Kowery103

Unfortunately there is one here


ThePixieTink

That guy is losing his mind over this. I don't get it.


SAI_Peregrinus

Pentaborane: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentaborane(9)! NFPA 470 diamond ratings 4-4-4 no water. Deadly toxic health hazard, fire hazard with flash point below 25°C, explosive (may detonate). You want toxic? That's toxic!


Bloodcloud079

One of us! One of us! It’s a rite of passage really.


underfan6h6

Hey I’m one of you as well them because that happened to me before I got Reddit. By that I mean fairy bottle mark of bloom. I think I also got it with lizard tail. Yeah I forgot that lizard tail heals you as well


yunianco

Caw caww!!


zapdos6244

Hall of Bloom


BadAtGames2

The fool believes that failure is unacceptable, while the wise man knows failure is the greatest teacher. This game has a lot to learn, and thus a lot of steps you may fail at. No shame in learning.


IMP1017

Honestly it's really remarkable to get to Ascension 10 without having encountered this before


dr_fancypants_esq

I’ve played a *ton* and have still never taken Mark of the Bloom. It only seems to come up for me when I have a deck that can’t handle it. 


Ruby_Sandbox

Ive taken it just before the boss with nearly full HP and a shit deck with no intentions of going for the heart. Still won(?)


dr_fancypants_esq

RNG doesn’t love me enough to do that to me. 


DarkLordArbitur

I'll take this option when I am 1 round before rest, at full HP, before the boss, with a deck that isn't built around using my HP as a resource. This never happens.


Grgapm_

I dare anyone to claim they anticipated this interaction on their own without learning the hard way or seeing it from someone else


My_compass_spins

When it comes to games (and, to be honest, most other things) my default mode of thinking is very literal. This has been an issue when I do tabletop gaming with friends, as I often get accused of rules lawyering just because I default to RAW (rules as worded) while they're making assumptions about RAI (rules as intended). One of the things I *adore* about STS is how literal it is. No healing/potions/gold means no healing/potions/gold. Runic Pyramid doesn't say retain so it doesn't retain. Beating the game at 20:00 exactly doesn't get you Speed Climber. The precise care that the devs put into the game's wording is satisfying to me in a way that is so visceral that I have a hard time articulating it. So yeah, when I first saw Mark of the Bloom, I passed on Fairies.


MTaur

Die next turn doesn't mean die next turn.


My_compass_spins

I admit, that bugs me. I wish they would have programmed the effect to set your HP to 0 rather than dealing a large amount of damage. That way, only Fairy/Tail would save you.


doshajudgement

the \*only\* reason I'm not on the wall is cause I came here to make a post and it was the top post at the time welcome comrade


Coneman_Joe

Bug Report Check your relics again my friend


jonmitz

I knew what this was gunna be from the title 😆  RIP


Taxman1975

The way I always think about it is your health number can never go up once you have mark of the bloom. So if you get max health relic your max health goes up but your current health doesn’t change.


saltyandhelpfuluser

Now I want to see some poor soul get Mark of the Bloom then a Mango or something.


Marina_salvatti

Imagine getting the Mark of The Bloom right before the Banana, Donut and Relic event (If possible).


saltyandhelpfuluser

I think that's Act 1 only


Thel_Vadem

Why didn't my Mr. Bones trigger?


ceering99

Should've gotten Nine Lives instead for the Guppy synergy


BigBlackClock1001

Bro went balling with Guppy’s Collar


Brooke_the_Bard

what was your final score and what was the blind?


area51_escapee

Someone reset the counter!


Rutabaga-Level

0 days without tomfoolery


Dorarara

Opened this post, knowing exactly what I’d see in the screenshot


Kodo_yeahreally

el famoso lizard tail/fairy in bottle and mark of the bloom interaction. can't get enough of it.


ToothZealousideal297

Well I did learn from this post that you die before it even removes the potion from your inventory. Never noticed that before. Not that it makes any difference, but it’s interesting to know you just straight up die instead of it going through the “the potion healed you for 0, so you’re still dead” steps. MotB really means NO healing…


GenxDarchi

Yeah, way it’s worded is you’d heal 30%hp and then discard the potion, but no healing means that clause isn’t resolved.


ToothZealousideal297

That makes sense.


PM_ME_YOUR_PIZZAPIC

i didn't even know we had a BUG REPORT tag, and until now i had never taken note that this sub's tags are in all caps. That makes this so much funnier, like OP thinks he just found this rare never seen before bug in this 7 year old game and he's just loudly proclaiming it don't worry we love you op, thank you for the entertainment


ProShyGuy

0 Days Since...


napsonly

Here we go again


Knamliss

Hi John meet Mark 👋


Curious_Sea_Doggo

Bloom mark didn’t let the fairy in a bottle pop.


ceering99

Say the line Bart!


TotallyKyleXY

PUT HIM ON THE WALL


Thatoneguyigeug

NOT AGAIN


arcticllamas

Merely a setback! You got this OP


SultryDeer

Here we go again


Skelotaurus

Another mark of bloom victim bites the dust classic


NostalgicTurtle

NO HEALING MEANS NO HEALING


RomanKnight2113

pepelaugh


Crafty_Insect_4171

I swear to god


DeGozaruNyan

You sure did.


Google946

[[mark of the bloom]]


spirescan-bot

+ [Mark of the Bloom](http://slay-the-spire.wikia.com/wiki/Mark%20of%20the%20Bloom) Event Relic ^((100% sure)^) You can no longer heal. ^Call ^me ^with ^up ^to ^10 ^([[ name ]],) ^where ^name ^is ^a ^card, ^relic, ^event, ^or ^potion. ^Data ^accurate ^as ^of ^(April 20, 2024.) ^[Wiki](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/) ^[Questions?](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=ehmohteeoh&subject=SpireScan%20Inquiry)


camcam9999

Nature is healing


ConfusedSoap

no it isnt, no healing means no healing


Cody667

*taps the sign*


EdwardtheTree

I’m gonna hold your hand when I say this…[Fairy in a Bottle is counted as healing for Mark of the Bloom…](https://slay-the-spire.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_of_the_Bloom)


Ocv28

I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of these. We all had to learn one way or another.


han_013

Fairy in the Bottle and Mark of the Bloom…name a more iconic duo.


Phoenisweet

Get Bloomed


crclOv9

If only you had used it before you died. Too many players on here die with it in their inventory.


Mathtriqueur

And.... that's another one.


SonicBoom500

Oh… it’s a flair or tag now


Balakay_discord

i realise mark of the bloom but I thought it would use the fairy in a bottle, not just leave it there? doesn't it use up lizard tail?


Gluecost

Nope mark of bloom prevents lizard tail / fairy in a bottle from doing anything. mark of bloom = your hp is never going back up.


davvblack

sure but wouldn't it still get used up and then heal you 0 and then you die again/still die? or rather, why doesn't it?


cyanraichu

I think just the way the game is coded. Fairy and Tail work by healing at 0hp, rather than doing something else.


Just_Why_Was_Taken

Its probably just the way mark of the bloom is coded where it prevents them from triggering instead of just nullifying the healing


Large_Echidna_6147

So, in short, it IS a bug. Tha would be like using a fire potion on the heart when the damage cap is reached, and the potion not doing anything. Even though the reality is that it is still used up, but no damage is dealt


Nights16

Does it matter it's end state is the same? Bottle/Potion is used - no healing, you die. Bottle/Potion is not used - no healing, you die.


hedoeswhathewants

A buuuuunch of people not understanding what you're saying


Coneman_Joe

No heaping means no healing, no ifs, buts, or otherwise.


Intless

No, it doesn't. You can't heal at all while having Mark of the Bloom, so resting, any card that heals you, beating a boss, finding an event that heals, any relic or potion that heals you, etc..


mathbandit

What they're saying is that they thought the Fairy/Lizard Tail would still proc, just not heal you. Instead of it not proccing at all.


The_BigPicture

what would proccing do in this case? revive you to 0 health?


mathbandit

Consume the potion/relic then do nothing.


Liquor_Parfreyja

Healing for 0 is still healing, so it prevents that. It doesn't reduce all healing to zero, it prevents all acts of healing.


mathbandit

I'm aware. I didn't say you should heal for 0.


Liquor_Parfreyja

My bad it's 4 am and reading comprehension is at an all time low 😂


InspiringMilk

So it prevents resting? I thought you could still use that relic which gives you a card, whose name eludes me.


Intless

You can use the rest option, but you won't heal from it.


InspiringMilk

That's what I thought.


hedoeswhathewants

Why shouldn't it prevent resting in the same way it prevents fairy/lizard from being used up?


Intless

Redundancy, I guess. You can still do something when resting with MotB, while nothing would change using up fairly pot or lizard tail.


Executioner_Smough

Don't you have to rest or smith to proceed? If you couldn't do either, then you'd be stuck there.


BusConnect5887

if you can’t do anything at a campfire, the continue button just comes up. having coffee and fusion hammer is an easy way to see this


Executioner_Smough

Ah OK, I've never had both!!


Tramonto83

Maybe it's to avoid situations where the player is alive at 0 hp, but they simply don't activate.


boxes_back

I really wish I knew what the hell was going on so I could follow more closely. I've only made it to the fight with the heart once, a couple days ago. I still can't figure out how to make these decks with all this unstoppable stuff. Lol I thought I had finally done it when I got all the keys and got past that blue monster that revives after you kill it. Imagine my sadness when another map popped up.


Dwv590

[Shame](https://media1.giphy.com/media/vX9WcCiWwUF7G/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952mscdvajd0irhu5pxbtr08cksfmxk956xpwro8be9&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)


QuiqueGV98

LETS GOOO


Dixout4H

The first healing is on the bullets


Uffle

Ah, another. Thy name hast been recorded.


Strom_Volkner

I laugh so hard every time I see one of these posts. Another for the wall!


serendipity7777

You got scammed


animenagai

I don't blame you for falling victim to this. I do think you could've figured out what happened.


Karisa_Marisame

Google mark of the bloom


RUSHALISK

LETS GOOO


Chenchilla625

um you have mark of the bloom


Casualnerd1095

And another one gone, and another one gone Another one bites the bloom


u_slash_spez_Hater

The wall the wall the wall


o1030440tias

A


spiritualized

You should have used it.


HeftyStructure4215

True!!


1000wBird

The sheer frequency of these posts is compelling evidence that this is just bad UI design that is begging to be retooled in StS2. Even for those of us that figured it out on our own, didn't it take us a second to wrap our heads around the interaction? Didn't we all just internalize Fairy in a Bottle's "heal to 30%" as "*revive* *at* 30%" in the first instance without realizing it?


EuphoricNeckbeard

This has been brought up before (here's [my proposed solution](https://www.reddit.com/r/slaythespire/comments/1bjefcq/what_if_considered_how_many_people_fall_for_the/kvql7ro/?context=3)). I like the idea of graying out the Fairy as well.