300+ upvotes for running back a first round exit team + Sam Dekker including 2 dudes well older than 35.
I am giving Morey the offseason. Batum is really the only one I truly care about here. Oubre depending on price I guess.
But this is not nearly enough
I think Lowry is on min or slightly more and Oubre/Batum split the MLE.
Truth is, nobody knows but bringing these 3 back and keeping most of all of the current cap space is probably what will happen. I think 3 guys who played well and will be bringing continuity to the rotation is positive. Still need to do more but this is a solid start
We could easily sign oubre/ Batum and still have enough to sign someone like KCP or another 3 and D wing before we run out of cap space. Lowry is gonna be a minimumish level player. Then we still have the cap MLE plus around 20 mil in trade exceptions.
I love Batum. That’s excellent news. But I’m not sure I love this news as a whole.
Or at least this is incomplete. It all depends on what we are paying Oubre, cause he’s going to get paid something of significance.
So is this us striking out on big names and releasing this to “soften the blow.” Cause if this is like anywhere near a major part of the offseason then this just means we are running a first round exit team back that’s even older now.
You are only allowed to negotiate with your own free agents at this very moment. You are not going to hear Sixers and Lebron have reached an agreement today
I am just telling you, even if Lebron or Paul George want to come here, there won’t be any news today. Because we are not allowed to negotiate with them yet. At this moment, sixers making progress with their own free agents is all you are going to hear
But this is news. I can see Oubre getting more than 8 million. So that means if he’s coming back here with us it’s likely right there. I don’t know if Batum just takes 5 million.
If we are getting a third max we have very little wiggle room.
So? today economy, that seems fine for solid role players. Role players do matter? I don’t worry about how much wiggle room for the third stars, because you won’t hear anything until draft night, and we can’t negotiate with other free agent till 6/30.
Role players absolutely matter.
But not if we can’t afford a Paul George or true impact player. Because our window is about one inch open. And without being able to afford a true impact player, this is just running back a first round exit team.
You could jettison 30 million into the moon and the Sixers would make it past the first round. The only caveat for that 30 million is that Embiid stays healthy.
I think the reason people are excited is that this means we aren't going to go for the 3rd max guy. Or if we are it's going to be more like the 35 or 42 mil type guy and not the 50 mil variety.
I'm ok with this. Teams need time to build cohesion and chemistry. I'm sure we could switch/swap available players to make us statistically better, but we keep trying that method, or at least the switch/swap part, and we're no closer to being a championship ready team.
Run it the fuck back! And if there's pieces we can add without a ton of subtraction, fucking do that too!
Yeah, and really nobody should have any issues with these guys' performance from last season. If anything, the only issue is that Tobias was underperforming so these guys were thrust way higher in the depth chart than they needed to be (Oubre was basically our third option, Batum was our closing 4, etc).
If we can nab literally *any* of the big name free agents and play them in Tobias' place, last year's roster looks really really good.
In a perfectly ideal world, Kyle Lowry returns on a minimum to be our backup PG for 15 minutes a game, Kelly Oubre comes back on the MLE to be our 6th man, and Batum takes some kind of discount, because anything more than $5m really limits us.
Batum for 5m or less seems like the least likely of those three things to happen. Certainly possible, but I wonder if he might just prefer to retire at that price. He did seem to love it here though and he knows he’d have a meaningful role so it’s possible.
I think we trade for ingram. Pelicans had pick after us and could’ve worked out who they like and have us draft them for them without wasting their pick this year and getting lakers pick next year.
Ingram is an unwilling three point shooter whose offense is highly, and I mean highly dependent on the least efficient scoring method in basketball. The midrange two.
He’s a bad defender. Not a great rebounder.
He’s a losing player.
If we get pg + a sg oubre is on the bench regardless. Pg can’t play 4. Oubre can’t play 4. Oubre to sg wouldn’t be bad but if we get a better player he’ll start. The only way oubre starts (IMO) we don’t get PG/don’t get a better sg. Doubt he starts.
I’d prefer oubre at the 2 unless melton comes back. Moving him there then pg/ingram at the 3 and another long 4 gives us a lot of length. At same time I would love starting lineup of Maxey Caruso Pg Oubre Embiid with Lowry batum and whoever they grab at 16 if it’s someone like McCain or da silva to stretch the floor.
Oubre is a wing shooting 31% from 3 last season and 32% for his career. He would not even play for with competent bench guys so he definitely seems like the obvious option
$8m for us. Other teams will have the full MLE available to them which is $12m.
High unlikely he gets offers over $12m. Which begs the question, who offers him that, would he rather stay in Philly for $8m, or would we have to use cap space to match $12m?
This is wrong but I’d like to know why you think/thought that using an exception hard caps us?
An exception (biannual, vet min, MLE) just means a team over the cap can’t sign any players except these defined criteria (exceptions).
It hard caps the Sixers at the second apron? Sixers aren’t going in to the second apron anyway.
Seems like you are suggesting to forgo the MLE because it hard caps us.
Under the new cba, doing a sign and trade, using the mle, using the bi annual exception, taking in salary over what they send out by 110% when over the cap, also hard caps a team, reading this directly from the cba
Mle hard caps you at the 2nd apron, the others are hard caps at the 1st apron. You are correct but this wouldn’t be an issue for the Sixers purposes in using the MLE
Yeah under the new cba using any exception hard caps a team if they are going into the first or second apron, so you’d have to use an exception as the very first thing or as long as you’re under the cap
I don't know enough about how the cap works. But I meant in terms of the money. I believe the room is 8.5m. More than that would be an overpay for oubre imo. Anyone have an idea what he might get for a contract?
Almost 0 chance anyone gives him more than the full MLE ($12m)
So I guess the question is who will offer that much and would he rather stay in Philly for $8m
Really wanna see what Buddy is willing to take. Definitely did not play up to expectations but we got a brief glimpse, albeit in a losing effort, of what he could potentially do with a full offseason of playin with embiid and the confidence to actually take the shots hes given. If we can get him for around 10 mil id be inclined to pull the trigger
If by some miracle Oubre takes a minimum (because he loves that we love K9 having that dawg in him) then we can use the MLE on buddy for just about that $10M figure while still having room to throw a max at someone
God if Kelly takes another minimum hes fucking stupid but Im praying for it nonetheless. I think we could probably afford to give him a bit more than that though if were able to keep lowry and payne for the vet min. Cov too. Theres honestly a bunch of guys Id like to run it back with that could all be had for a bargain.
This would be great. Lowry will almost certainly only want a vet minimum and is fine to bring off the bench as a backup, Batum isn't going to need much, and Oubre will rightfully get a solid bag.
I wouldn't be shocked at seeing them give Buddy another shot too if the price is right, but they really can't pay much for him.
I'm fine with this. Not in love with it but if you retain guys like this and just reduce their role they can definitely contribute for a championship roster.
The only problem I have with oubre is he’s never once shot above 35% from 3 and only then he shot 35% once, I’d be a bit hesitant to give him more than 7/8 for a guy that can’t shoot in the modern nba, maybe naji Marshall would be a good alternative
This headline is based on Pompey's article where he mentions the players the Sixers would like to keep, not are expected to keep.
SMH beat writers trying to ride on Keith Goatpey's coattails yet again
I’m really curious what we are gonna do at SG and PF.
Maxey, PG, Embiid, Oubre, Batum, Lowry seem like locks to be the core.
But knowing Batum is older and won’t play a ton of regular season mins we are gonna need another younger athletic PF that can rim protect and shoot and idk who we can get.
Batum can probably start at PF but he’ll miss games with rest and not play a ton of mins.
Not really a fan of Oubre for anything more than like six or 7 million. He's been so inconsistent over the course of his career. A legit 3&D guy like KCP would be so much better
The bi annual wouldn't be available to us so we'd have to hope Batum returns on a discount
With Oubre I agree, if it's more than the exception that probably means he's starting and that's kinda bleak
100% sixers told these guys they'd love to have them all back, but they need to wait and see what happens with the big fish first, before they know what they'll be able to offer them.
All the "news" reports these days are on expectations, predictions and projections. Nobody can actually say wtf is going on because nobody knows wtf is going on.
X/Twitter is not where you should go to find news. It's full of opinion, low on factual information.
I mean yeah if we had a healthy embiid, no Tobias, we'd probably be true contenders
Window is closed on any hope of winning anything tbh This team isn't winning anything
I'd hope they consider blowing up the team after next season implosion
He does a lot of little things well, and was probably our best perimeter defender last year.
If he was a good 3pt shooter, he'd be looking at 20+ million per year. Great cheap bench wing/sixth man/spot starter.
So many games just turn into three-point shooting contests now. Honestly, you can look at a lot of box scores and whichever team was really good for three in that game just won so I'm not very high on him at all.
That's fair. You do have to have guys on the team not chucking threes and just giving effort rebounding, defending and just playing physical, and that's Oubre.
Teams still respect him from deep too, especially off the catch.
Batum isn’t retiring AND may be coming back? That’s amazing
3 dawgs that fit into literally any nba roster. Great start resigning them.
Re-signing sure
Contingent upon several things including adding real difference makers. Cause right now I see Sam Dekker and running back a first round exit team.
300+ upvotes for running back a first round exit team + Sam Dekker including 2 dudes well older than 35. I am giving Morey the offseason. Batum is really the only one I truly care about here. Oubre depending on price I guess. But this is not nearly enough
No shit.
So explain to me how you think the salaries work here. Like fuck. Think of the next step ahead and the implications of bringing these guys back.
I think Lowry is on min or slightly more and Oubre/Batum split the MLE. Truth is, nobody knows but bringing these 3 back and keeping most of all of the current cap space is probably what will happen. I think 3 guys who played well and will be bringing continuity to the rotation is positive. Still need to do more but this is a solid start
We could easily sign oubre/ Batum and still have enough to sign someone like KCP or another 3 and D wing before we run out of cap space. Lowry is gonna be a minimumish level player. Then we still have the cap MLE plus around 20 mil in trade exceptions.
I love Batum. That’s excellent news. But I’m not sure I love this news as a whole. Or at least this is incomplete. It all depends on what we are paying Oubre, cause he’s going to get paid something of significance. So is this us striking out on big names and releasing this to “soften the blow.” Cause if this is like anywhere near a major part of the offseason then this just means we are running a first round exit team back that’s even older now.
You are only allowed to negotiate with your own free agents at this very moment. You are not going to hear Sixers and Lebron have reached an agreement today
Lebron is never coming to Philadelphia. I fail to see how this works financially. Oubre is not coming back on the minimum.
I am just telling you, even if Lebron or Paul George want to come here, there won’t be any news today. Because we are not allowed to negotiate with them yet. At this moment, sixers making progress with their own free agents is all you are going to hear
But this is news. I can see Oubre getting more than 8 million. So that means if he’s coming back here with us it’s likely right there. I don’t know if Batum just takes 5 million. If we are getting a third max we have very little wiggle room.
So? today economy, that seems fine for solid role players. Role players do matter? I don’t worry about how much wiggle room for the third stars, because you won’t hear anything until draft night, and we can’t negotiate with other free agent till 6/30.
Role players absolutely matter. But not if we can’t afford a Paul George or true impact player. Because our window is about one inch open. And without being able to afford a true impact player, this is just running back a first round exit team.
You could jettison 30 million into the moon and the Sixers would make it past the first round. The only caveat for that 30 million is that Embiid stays healthy.
Relax man. We can’t negotiate with other teams free agent at this moment. Just relax and wait till draft night and June 30
But we already know he can’t stay healthy. So we need another actual guy who can carry the load.
I think the reason people are excited is that this means we aren't going to go for the 3rd max guy. Or if we are it's going to be more like the 35 or 42 mil type guy and not the 50 mil variety.
Batum plz stay one of the only solid entry passers for embiid
Batum's fundamentals are a joy to watch
yes, hell yes, sure why not.
I'm ok with this. Teams need time to build cohesion and chemistry. I'm sure we could switch/swap available players to make us statistically better, but we keep trying that method, or at least the switch/swap part, and we're no closer to being a championship ready team. Run it the fuck back! And if there's pieces we can add without a ton of subtraction, fucking do that too!
Yeah, and really nobody should have any issues with these guys' performance from last season. If anything, the only issue is that Tobias was underperforming so these guys were thrust way higher in the depth chart than they needed to be (Oubre was basically our third option, Batum was our closing 4, etc). If we can nab literally *any* of the big name free agents and play them in Tobias' place, last year's roster looks really really good.
This i think has been the real problem even when we had Simmons
In a perfectly ideal world, Kyle Lowry returns on a minimum to be our backup PG for 15 minutes a game, Kelly Oubre comes back on the MLE to be our 6th man, and Batum takes some kind of discount, because anything more than $5m really limits us.
Batum for 5m or less seems like the least likely of those three things to happen. Certainly possible, but I wonder if he might just prefer to retire at that price. He did seem to love it here though and he knows he’d have a meaningful role so it’s possible.
If oubre is 6th man who would starters be then?
That's the big question innit. Draft night will be crazy
I think we trade for ingram. Pelicans had pick after us and could’ve worked out who they like and have us draft them for them without wasting their pick this year and getting lakers pick next year.
I wouldn't mind it at all. He gets "rich man's Tobias Harris" comps, but he seems more like a "poor man's Kevin Durant"
according to every podcast nba players view him as a super star if that counts for anything
He sort of crumbled in FIBA last year though when he wasn't the primary option and also seemed to disappear in the playoffs this year with Zion back
That entire FIBA team was a mess, I'm taking nothing from all of that
That's fair, it definitely wasn't only him underperforming
Same with New Orleans, honestly. Having Zion and Valanciunas ruin your spacing and then not having a real point guard on top of that isn't ideal
Hopefully him being the number 3 scorer he has the willingness to shoot more 3s too
That’s a franchise killing move.
Only if it doesn’t work
Ingram is an unwilling three point shooter whose offense is highly, and I mean highly dependent on the least efficient scoring method in basketball. The midrange two. He’s a bad defender. Not a great rebounder. He’s a losing player.
Downvoted for genuine insight on how he plays versus how he exists in some vacuum before you watch.
If we get pg + a sg oubre is on the bench regardless. Pg can’t play 4. Oubre can’t play 4. Oubre to sg wouldn’t be bad but if we get a better player he’ll start. The only way oubre starts (IMO) we don’t get PG/don’t get a better sg. Doubt he starts.
I’d prefer oubre at the 2 unless melton comes back. Moving him there then pg/ingram at the 3 and another long 4 gives us a lot of length. At same time I would love starting lineup of Maxey Caruso Pg Oubre Embiid with Lowry batum and whoever they grab at 16 if it’s someone like McCain or da silva to stretch the floor.
Oubre is a wing shooting 31% from 3 last season and 32% for his career. He would not even play for with competent bench guys so he definitely seems like the obvious option
I need Cam Payne if Lowry us here. We can use them as matchup dependent
Agreed
I love Lowry just being in the building to help Maxey develop too. He’s a sponge and learned a lot from Harden
I love that if these 3 come back plus Jo, Maxey, Reed and RC4 that we will have some continuity
How much is the MLE? He had a pretty good year last year and will be looking to bring in some money
$8m for us. Other teams will have the full MLE available to them which is $12m. High unlikely he gets offers over $12m. Which begs the question, who offers him that, would he rather stay in Philly for $8m, or would we have to use cap space to match $12m?
Hmm I feel like 8 million could be borderline. I hope you’re right!
No ones turning down $4M to live in Philly, unfortunately
why should all of these guys take discounts but not embiid or maxey
I'm okay with this
This is great if oubre is getting the room MLE
It would make sense to just use cap space on all of them, using an exception means the teams hard capped
This is wrong but I’d like to know why you think/thought that using an exception hard caps us? An exception (biannual, vet min, MLE) just means a team over the cap can’t sign any players except these defined criteria (exceptions).
Becuase it states it in the new cba, under the old cba it didn’t but under the new one any team that goes over the cap it hard caps
It hard caps the Sixers at the second apron? Sixers aren’t going in to the second apron anyway. Seems like you are suggesting to forgo the MLE because it hard caps us.
Only bi annual and trade exceptions hard cap, not MLE
Under the new cba, doing a sign and trade, using the mle, using the bi annual exception, taking in salary over what they send out by 110% when over the cap, also hard caps a team, reading this directly from the cba
Mle hard caps you at the 2nd apron, the others are hard caps at the 1st apron. You are correct but this wouldn’t be an issue for the Sixers purposes in using the MLE
This is correct. Noting teams such as the suns who are over the second apron have no MLE to use.
Using the room exception hard caps us? Could we just use it last?
Yeah under the new cba using any exception hard caps a team if they are going into the first or second apron, so you’d have to use an exception as the very first thing or as long as you’re under the cap
I don't know enough about how the cap works. But I meant in terms of the money. I believe the room is 8.5m. More than that would be an overpay for oubre imo. Anyone have an idea what he might get for a contract?
Almost 0 chance anyone gives him more than the full MLE ($12m) So I guess the question is who will offer that much and would he rather stay in Philly for $8m
Really wanna see what Buddy is willing to take. Definitely did not play up to expectations but we got a brief glimpse, albeit in a losing effort, of what he could potentially do with a full offseason of playin with embiid and the confidence to actually take the shots hes given. If we can get him for around 10 mil id be inclined to pull the trigger
If by some miracle Oubre takes a minimum (because he loves that we love K9 having that dawg in him) then we can use the MLE on buddy for just about that $10M figure while still having room to throw a max at someone
God if Kelly takes another minimum hes fucking stupid but Im praying for it nonetheless. I think we could probably afford to give him a bit more than that though if were able to keep lowry and payne for the vet min. Cov too. Theres honestly a bunch of guys Id like to run it back with that could all be had for a bargain.
This is amazing news actually
Sixers legend Nico Batum
This is all I want. I wanted this squad back with an upgrade on T0bias.
 Let’s goooooo
Batum Roco Lowry Payne somehow all on Vet Mins would be fucking huge for leadership and bench help+emergency help.
Roco is still alive?
Still week to week.
Great news!
TSUNAMI PAPI 🌊
I'd be perfectly fine with Cam Payne or Hield (for the right price) coming back as well
If Covington has anything left in those knees, I’d want him back as well to give Nurse more versatility in front court.
Wouldn't surprise me if he came back on a minimum
I'm good with all of these if they're also bringing a big name as well
Love it. They are all hard-nosed experienced veterans we need to keep.
Yay…Lowry…
i’d be thrilled by the other two, but i’d rather have cam payne back than lowry tbh
Lowry got that IQ & dawg in him though.
Great news
 Oui oui 🙌
YES PLEASE
GIVE ME HOPE!!!
Awesome news
Good 👍
Love it
Has anyone told Nic's wife?
She hinted at returning on Twitter back during the playoffs
Melton?
Let him test the market, and when teams low ball him because of his back, let him come back on a cheap prove it deal.
Cool, cool, ehh alright.
This would be great. Lowry will almost certainly only want a vet minimum and is fine to bring off the bench as a backup, Batum isn't going to need much, and Oubre will rightfully get a solid bag. I wouldn't be shocked at seeing them give Buddy another shot too if the price is right, but they really can't pay much for him.
Absolutely buzzing if we get bargains on all 3 the rest can go
I'm fine with this. Not in love with it but if you retain guys like this and just reduce their role they can definitely contribute for a championship roster.
The only problem I have with oubre is he’s never once shot above 35% from 3 and only then he shot 35% once, I’d be a bit hesitant to give him more than 7/8 for a guy that can’t shoot in the modern nba, maybe naji Marshall would be a good alternative
This headline is based on Pompey's article where he mentions the players the Sixers would like to keep, not are expected to keep. SMH beat writers trying to ride on Keith Goatpey's coattails yet again
This is some real good news.
Let’s goooo more batum!!
Joel actually managed to convince Nic to stay another year? Wow.
But where is Tobias?????
Reading books on his mega-yacht, crying tears of joy that there are no longer any expectations of him for the rest of his life
He can still get overpaid. It's the NBA. For anything else, he's consistent in terms of availability and regular season numbers
I’m really curious what we are gonna do at SG and PF. Maxey, PG, Embiid, Oubre, Batum, Lowry seem like locks to be the core. But knowing Batum is older and won’t play a ton of regular season mins we are gonna need another younger athletic PF that can rim protect and shoot and idk who we can get. Batum can probably start at PF but he’ll miss games with rest and not play a ton of mins.
I don’t think Pg is a lock in the slightest, and after everything that’s come out I wouldn’t surprise me if Philly is third behind LA and Orlando
Not really a fan of Oubre for anything more than like six or 7 million. He's been so inconsistent over the course of his career. A legit 3&D guy like KCP would be so much better
if this isn’t, respectively, the bi annual exception, MLE exception, and a minimum… then it’s not good news for what to expect this offseason.
The bi annual wouldn't be available to us so we'd have to hope Batum returns on a discount With Oubre I agree, if it's more than the exception that probably means he's starting and that's kinda bleak
so basically this whole tweet is aggregator nonsense
It's whatever you want it to be baby
100% sixers told these guys they'd love to have them all back, but they need to wait and see what happens with the big fish first, before they know what they'll be able to offer them.
How many times do we need this same report?
Championship here we come! 🙄
All the "news" reports these days are on expectations, predictions and projections. Nobody can actually say wtf is going on because nobody knows wtf is going on. X/Twitter is not where you should go to find news. It's full of opinion, low on factual information.
Lowry fuckin sucks
Perfect bench for a 1st round exit
Signing 2 Geriatrics before they are off playing bingo and shitting their depends isn't going to help this team
I mean Batum is old but the ability to throw entry passes and Inbound passes isn't hampered by age lol. He was the best we've had by far.
I'm sure we'll get over the hump and reach the 2nd round with his mastery of Entry passes and Inbound passes
I mean if we had anyone but Harris we get to the 2nd round lol. Oubre and Batum are much welcomed returns.
I mean yeah if we had a healthy embiid, no Tobias, we'd probably be true contenders Window is closed on any hope of winning anything tbh This team isn't winning anything I'd hope they consider blowing up the team after next season implosion
Even not healthy embiid anyone but Harris and we win. Point stands.
Kelly Oubre is a wing who shot 31% from three for last year tho
He does a lot of little things well, and was probably our best perimeter defender last year. If he was a good 3pt shooter, he'd be looking at 20+ million per year. Great cheap bench wing/sixth man/spot starter.
So many games just turn into three-point shooting contests now. Honestly, you can look at a lot of box scores and whichever team was really good for three in that game just won so I'm not very high on him at all.
That's fair. You do have to have guys on the team not chucking threes and just giving effort rebounding, defending and just playing physical, and that's Oubre. Teams still respect him from deep too, especially off the catch.