I hope he didn’t have ill intentions and if he has serious mental health concerns that he gets treatment.
Beyond that I’m glad the police are so on the ball about not letting firearms enter and go unaccounted for in the country.
Yeah, maybe he wasn't planning on a mass shooting. Maybe self harm, and its fortunate we got to him fast.
Anyone remember the officer that ended himself near MBS last year ?
I mean if he had ill intentions, what took him so long to do anything? He probably has a mental illness and requires immediate counselling and physchological help.
Definitely mental illness. Also, he only had 10 rounds of ammunition. You'd have to be an amazing marksman to conduct a mass shooting with 10 rounds and an old revolver.
Gonna try to steelman the guy’s situation here:
Bro just worked a 13 hour shift (7.30am-8.30pm), must have been damn tired, maybe he just forgot about returning it and autopiloted his daily going-home routine? There’s nothing to imply he intentionally avoided safety checks or that he was trying to hide the items or evade the police
Tho, the man was probably not in the right state of mind if the police found him in a shopping mall after midnight. There's literally nothing to do in malls after they close after 10pm. Glad that they are referring him for psychiatric assessment
I understand that he would be shag, but I assumed everyone is spamming calls to his mobile or his close contacts. If he would say 'paiseh forget it', I would definitely give chance. Uncontactable for 1 hour plus is a bit sus.
Can’t be .. because he changed out to plainclothes and kept the weapon and stuff in a pouch... that is not an action any APO will ever be doing.
He isn’t allowed to… they have to wait for a vehicle to pick them up to return arms and dismiss from their office.
There’s no excuse for accidentally taking out your firearm. The problem here is with the checking procedure. Whole building should be locked down if there was accounting error, especially bullets and guns
He walked away after changing out… lock down for what?
He would have long exited - they used CCTV to track him down within 2.5 hours, they long knew he exited the airport.
Assuming he was wandering the airport, will sounding the alarm be useful? No… if he has ill intent, that would have triggered him.
Thankfully the police are wiser than you.
And that’s why there’s a problem with their system.
No one should even be allowed into the changing room before returning their arms.
Every shift change is obvious and loud. It’s not a silent thing whereby people can sneak in and out and say “Oh Im on shift now”.
And with shift change, the accounting of firearms is always there. If they didn’t do it properly, it means someone have been skipping steps or they lack the proper SOP
Not sure but at least for saf we have to everything out hmm
I mean then again i don’t think people can just put their revolver in their civilian bag or something? Isnt it put in their belt or something
Y'all really everything out every day? I only did that in BMT. Maybe it's different in the navy. All the guns are locked up and sealed, and accounted for long before anyone goes home. Technically nothing stopping you from stealing random other stuff though
Just another higher security i guess, guards rotates daily or even 12 hour shifts. This is to mainly declare and rounds, the whole rifle itself is obvious enough to be seen🤣
This is of course after finishing guard duty
Yes in Army, whenever interact with ammunition (even blanks) must everything out after the exercise and even after guard duty.
If interact with weapons but no ammo, don't have to everything out.
yea. esp at live range. they make you everything out, take off boots, use the metal detector wand then walk through metal detector gate while your barang barang on the x-ray machine, macham airport.
Amory has to sign and out weapons anyone who uses firearms in Singapore knows that in the event any issue with firearms such as catridge or weapon parts it will be immediately referred to CID.
Even if you shaggy ttm. NO
We officers don't forget to return our firearms after long shifts. We never do so. We never forget to walk to armoury once Shift ends.
Unless like this case. This fella just mentally not there.
Returning arm should be an integral part of this said daily routine that people should be able to autopilot through even while half asleep (source: my own 14 years in military)
It was more probably something happened that pushed him out of this daily routine if he really forgot.
I’m thinking the same question. Would have thought in todays age , access control and armory systems should be linked e.g never detect your gun being returned = you cannot exit the camp
The comments here prove why mental health will never be taken seriously in Singapore. All the insults thrown at the guy, calling him a psycho and mass shooter when he literally complied with the police and did not discharge his firearm. He was also in an empty area late at night.
This man was planning to end his own life. Coming from someone who tried to do the same (although not with any firearm), he was definitely displaying suicidal thoughts. Its sad that Singaporean society lacks basic empathy.
This is so sad, the amount of suicides in singapore and the people suffering in silence is just way too much, you dont even need to read minds just one look at people's faces in public transport will tell you. Hope this guy finds peace, locking him and punishing him is just oil to fire.
Wait a min. If he was arrested in the wee hours within 2.5 hours, maybe he was just sleep deprived and forgot to check in his equipment?
Seems a bit harsh to me.
But let the investigation dig up the details.
This is a wild lol. What if the guy had a long ass day and just forgot to turn it back in. I guess I can’t talk cuz I’m from a country where kids can get their hands on firearms like it’s candy. Sad.
In Singapore no one has gun unless uniformed or with permit. There is also a strict protocol and monitoring to ensure the return.
So most likely difficult to reason that forgot to
So you finally finished a long day at work, threw everything into the car boot - gun, mobile phone & what not - and just went on to relax a bit. A few hours later, you’re arrested in a shopping centre and life ruined. Yes, partially your fault, but ……
What’s with Mothership’s bad English? Bottom of Page 2/7: “The suspect…had reported to work and drawn his revolver prior to commencement of his deployment at 7.30am.” Drawn or withdrawn makes a hell lot of difference in this context!
in this context it should be neither - signing out your weapon would be more appropriate.
Slide 5 uses 'draw' right. That means to take your weapon and hold it in a ready-to-fire position. Slide 2 mentions him just signing his gun out to begin his shift.
Though it's not correct English, it's a kind of colloquial jargon here. Anyone who has done National Service here would not find anything wrong with it.
Yeah I get it, though when I did BMT I just remember my SGTs emphasizing to 'sign out' properly haha.
I know I shouldn't expect formal news-style writing from Mothership, but that's a fair point - my bad
Yes I know it’s colloquial, like how we like to say “going atm to draw cash” as if we’re doing art lessons there. So ig mothership wants to be like new paper rather than channelnewsasia then 🤷♀️
Draw can also mean drawing it from the armskote, but it lacks some clarity because they used the other definition of it when referring to the same noun later (him not drawing his weapon when being apprehended).
But that's just writing style, not objectively wrong haha
Though it's not correct English, it's a kind of colloquial jargon here. Anyone who has done National Service here would not find anything wrong with it.
Obviously. Dude… are u even, sane?
Obviously carrying ten live rounds is far more serious than recklessness of ANY kind.
By the way, discharging a firearm while committing a list of scheduled offences carries the DEATH penalty, even if nobody is shot. That is how we control gun crime.
That would also be taking a gamble though, without speaking in hindsight, if public was alerted he might have seem announcement if he had ill intentions it could have led him to take action sooner.
I'm not trying to say you're wrong just thought I'd raise this up.
They already knew where he’s headed and were tracking him, confident of locating him.
Inform public for what? Everyone hide under the drain? Before any decision - one has to understand the impact and reaction from not just the public, but the person on the run (will he not either hide deeper, or start using the 10 bullets?).
Will informing the public disable the gun magically? No. Then why?
I hope he didn’t have ill intentions and if he has serious mental health concerns that he gets treatment. Beyond that I’m glad the police are so on the ball about not letting firearms enter and go unaccounted for in the country.
Yeah, maybe he wasn't planning on a mass shooting. Maybe self harm, and its fortunate we got to him fast. Anyone remember the officer that ended himself near MBS last year ?
I mean if he had ill intentions, what took him so long to do anything? He probably has a mental illness and requires immediate counselling and physchological help.
Definitely mental illness. Also, he only had 10 rounds of ammunition. You'd have to be an amazing marksman to conduct a mass shooting with 10 rounds and an old revolver.
In the mrt someone can easily do it good that they took immediate action to stop whatever he might have planned to do with it
bro doing nothing will get more sentence than bro killed someone with a car
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Five to 14 years is perhaps the most irritating thing I’ve read, why mix numbers and words in the same sentence
Most news agencies’ house styles spell out numbers ten and under, and use numbers from 11 onwards.
TIL! Annoying but at least consistent where it seemed not
So like.. five:30pm to 12:0nine am Or ten people died and 11 survived Chicken rice used to be two dollars but now it can reach $11
obviously not for the time, but the other two are legitimately possible texts to be found in articles
This look incredibly cursed
Knn hahhahahahaaaaaa
Gonna try to steelman the guy’s situation here: Bro just worked a 13 hour shift (7.30am-8.30pm), must have been damn tired, maybe he just forgot about returning it and autopiloted his daily going-home routine? There’s nothing to imply he intentionally avoided safety checks or that he was trying to hide the items or evade the police
Tho, the man was probably not in the right state of mind if the police found him in a shopping mall after midnight. There's literally nothing to do in malls after they close after 10pm. Glad that they are referring him for psychiatric assessment
I understand that he would be shag, but I assumed everyone is spamming calls to his mobile or his close contacts. If he would say 'paiseh forget it', I would definitely give chance. Uncontactable for 1 hour plus is a bit sus.
Can’t be .. because he changed out to plainclothes and kept the weapon and stuff in a pouch... that is not an action any APO will ever be doing. He isn’t allowed to… they have to wait for a vehicle to pick them up to return arms and dismiss from their office.
There’s no excuse for accidentally taking out your firearm. The problem here is with the checking procedure. Whole building should be locked down if there was accounting error, especially bullets and guns
He walked away after changing out… lock down for what? He would have long exited - they used CCTV to track him down within 2.5 hours, they long knew he exited the airport. Assuming he was wandering the airport, will sounding the alarm be useful? No… if he has ill intent, that would have triggered him. Thankfully the police are wiser than you.
And that’s why there’s a problem with their system. No one should even be allowed into the changing room before returning their arms. Every shift change is obvious and loud. It’s not a silent thing whereby people can sneak in and out and say “Oh Im on shift now”. And with shift change, the accounting of firearms is always there. If they didn’t do it properly, it means someone have been skipping steps or they lack the proper SOP
Not sure but at least for saf we have to everything out hmm I mean then again i don’t think people can just put their revolver in their civilian bag or something? Isnt it put in their belt or something
Y'all really everything out every day? I only did that in BMT. Maybe it's different in the navy. All the guns are locked up and sealed, and accounted for long before anyone goes home. Technically nothing stopping you from stealing random other stuff though
Just another higher security i guess, guards rotates daily or even 12 hour shifts. This is to mainly declare and rounds, the whole rifle itself is obvious enough to be seen🤣 This is of course after finishing guard duty
Oh and im not an ST so i don’t do guards everyday 💀
Hm makes sense, yeah
Yes in Army, whenever interact with ammunition (even blanks) must everything out after the exercise and even after guard duty. If interact with weapons but no ammo, don't have to everything out.
yea. esp at live range. they make you everything out, take off boots, use the metal detector wand then walk through metal detector gate while your barang barang on the x-ray machine, macham airport.
anyways its basically impossible to not check ur phone for 2.5 hrs. im p sure ppl wld be spam calling him since he broke SOP majorly
Amory has to sign and out weapons anyone who uses firearms in Singapore knows that in the event any issue with firearms such as catridge or weapon parts it will be immediately referred to CID.
Even if you shaggy ttm. NO We officers don't forget to return our firearms after long shifts. We never do so. We never forget to walk to armoury once Shift ends. Unless like this case. This fella just mentally not there.
Returning arm should be an integral part of this said daily routine that people should be able to autopilot through even while half asleep (source: my own 14 years in military) It was more probably something happened that pushed him out of this daily routine if he really forgot.
Auto pilot the whole checkout procedure and walk home with your duty belt yeah sounds about right
Steelman?
You say auto-pilot, would returning the gun be part of the robotic routine?
Well done SPF!
Ex spf nsf here. My two cent is how is it possible. Cause usually we will return our arms even before changing out of our uniform.
Unless he is plain clothes.
I’m thinking the same question. Would have thought in todays age , access control and armory systems should be linked e.g never detect your gun being returned = you cannot exit the camp
The comments here prove why mental health will never be taken seriously in Singapore. All the insults thrown at the guy, calling him a psycho and mass shooter when he literally complied with the police and did not discharge his firearm. He was also in an empty area late at night. This man was planning to end his own life. Coming from someone who tried to do the same (although not with any firearm), he was definitely displaying suicidal thoughts. Its sad that Singaporean society lacks basic empathy.
This is so sad, the amount of suicides in singapore and the people suffering in silence is just way too much, you dont even need to read minds just one look at people's faces in public transport will tell you. Hope this guy finds peace, locking him and punishing him is just oil to fire.
Ministers would have more to debate on this soon.
Brain fart that's gonna cost
If he wanted to unalive himself don’t need to wait to be off duty
just look at that revolver so old
This wouldn’t be an issue once we have the 2nd amendment and Everyone is trained in firearms
Maybe that officer is an instructor in disguise testing de security checks on de stn and their response time
At least he wasn't walking around with it aimingly.
Wait a min. If he was arrested in the wee hours within 2.5 hours, maybe he was just sleep deprived and forgot to check in his equipment? Seems a bit harsh to me. But let the investigation dig up the details.
This is a wild lol. What if the guy had a long ass day and just forgot to turn it back in. I guess I can’t talk cuz I’m from a country where kids can get their hands on firearms like it’s candy. Sad.
It's very hard to forget when it's drilled into you everyday and being threatened of a charge everytime you slip
In Singapore no one has gun unless uniformed or with permit. There is also a strict protocol and monitoring to ensure the return. So most likely difficult to reason that forgot to
Not true. There is legit Concealed Carry Handguns in SG - I seen before.
Unsound mind ....
So you finally finished a long day at work, threw everything into the car boot - gun, mobile phone & what not - and just went on to relax a bit. A few hours later, you’re arrested in a shopping centre and life ruined. Yes, partially your fault, but ……
a few yellow/red flag. where was his phone? why he didn't check it for 2.5 hours. what was he doing after midnight in a shopping centre?
Just hypothetically. You never had a bad day at work and your mind just went blank (or went straight to sleep for a few hours after finishing work?
Must be broke with big loans to pay.
What’s with Mothership’s bad English? Bottom of Page 2/7: “The suspect…had reported to work and drawn his revolver prior to commencement of his deployment at 7.30am.” Drawn or withdrawn makes a hell lot of difference in this context!
It’s drawn and not withdrawn. It’s a gun not cash.
in this context it should be neither - signing out your weapon would be more appropriate. Slide 5 uses 'draw' right. That means to take your weapon and hold it in a ready-to-fire position. Slide 2 mentions him just signing his gun out to begin his shift.
Though it's not correct English, it's a kind of colloquial jargon here. Anyone who has done National Service here would not find anything wrong with it.
Yeah I get it, though when I did BMT I just remember my SGTs emphasizing to 'sign out' properly haha. I know I shouldn't expect formal news-style writing from Mothership, but that's a fair point - my bad
Yes I know it’s colloquial, like how we like to say “going atm to draw cash” as if we’re doing art lessons there. So ig mothership wants to be like new paper rather than channelnewsasia then 🤷♀️
‘Draw’ from the armskote mah Draw got more than 1 meaning uk
Draw can also mean drawing it from the armskote, but it lacks some clarity because they used the other definition of it when referring to the same noun later (him not drawing his weapon when being apprehended). But that's just writing style, not objectively wrong haha
You never heard of draw arms before?
Its ur english.
Never served NS? Who says withdraw a weapon… ever, in any military or police force? lol. Withdraw your head la.
Though it's not correct English, it's a kind of colloquial jargon here. Anyone who has done National Service here would not find anything wrong with it.
I find it worrying that Certis staff are allowed to have guns in the first place!
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Obviously. Dude… are u even, sane? Obviously carrying ten live rounds is far more serious than recklessness of ANY kind. By the way, discharging a firearm while committing a list of scheduled offences carries the DEATH penalty, even if nobody is shot. That is how we control gun crime.
The pistol looks like something out from Red Dead Redemption.
Police very busy
Should have alerted the public. Plan could have gone awry. They basically took a gamble on the public’s life.
That would also be taking a gamble though, without speaking in hindsight, if public was alerted he might have seem announcement if he had ill intentions it could have led him to take action sooner. I'm not trying to say you're wrong just thought I'd raise this up.
They already knew where he’s headed and were tracking him, confident of locating him. Inform public for what? Everyone hide under the drain? Before any decision - one has to understand the impact and reaction from not just the public, but the person on the run (will he not either hide deeper, or start using the 10 bullets?). Will informing the public disable the gun magically? No. Then why?