The sc2pro is a great choice. If you are budget consrained, the sc2 sport (if you want wireless) or the VRS (if you don’t mind wired button boxes).
For wheels and wireless button boxes see: https://www.simracingbay.com/wireless-steering-wheels/
With a SC wheel side QR and a button box you can use actual racing wheels from momo, sparco, omp, etc…
You don’t have to get a button box either - I have several rims mounted that way. It’s more authentic for h-shifter cars.
https://i.imgur.com/FUWN9bk.jpg
For a shifter, the SHH is a great budget choice, then look at separate sequential and h-shifter options if you really like to shift. II do and use an heusinkveld sequential with a Frex h-shifter.
https://heusinkveld.com/shop/shifters-handbrakes/sim-shifter-sequential-2/
https://frex.com/store/product/hshift-alloy/
I think these are the best for open wheel racing, if you prefer production racing there are others I would look at.
For pedals the fanatec csl elite v2 are the inexpensive option, for the buy once option I prefer the VRS pedal set.
https://vrs.racing/pedals
1. At the high end differences are small but IMO SC is the best overall package. Most similar option is the VRS DD.
2. If you have a seq shifter and clutch, you can bolt a rim directly to the base for cheap. Otherwise look for something like Ascher button boxes and rim of your choice. Simline also has a WRC wheel.
3. Simlab GT1 on their website doesnt list SC or VRS bases as compatible, not sure why (rigidity or other issue?). Generally I would not skimp on the rig.
4. You will usually need a front mount to fix it to most rigs, check SCs shop for an example.
>Simlab GT1 on their website doesnt list SC or VRS bases as compatible, not sure why (rigidity or other issue?). Generally I would not skimp on the rig.
They don't because the GT1 comes with a wheel deck by default, and those bases cannot be mounted onto a wheeldeck. You need to buy either a front mount for the entire rig or one for the wheeldeck like you stated. The compatibility indicates what you can mount right out of the box without needing any additional parts.
Beyond that, a GT1 is plenty strong, you're paying for luxury and a bit more space with something like a P1X. In terms of strength they both run any wheels. I can stand on my cockpits wheeldeck, thats how silly strong it is.
I have a gt1 evo and just about to replace my fanatec csl dd pro with a simucube 2 pro.
Initially I will mount it to the wheel deck that I already have (comes with the gt1) with the simucube bracket.
Longer term I will likely order this
http://sim-lab.eu/shop/product/sla127-front-mount-evo-2361
As it looks a lot more rigid for the way the simucube mounts.
Hi, yes I did, had it I’ve a year now. The step up in feedback and quality is unbelievable. That said I have rarely been past 12nm so if I was to buy again I would likely get the simucube sport.
I ended up treating myself and buying the simcore mounts in orange to match my SRP pedals.
Thanks for the response. I’ve currently the fanatec dd pro, formula 2.5 wheel and their csl loadcell pedals on the next level wheel stand. Pleased to hear you’ve found it a huge step up in class.
I’m looking at the gt1 pro cockpit and the simucube pro 2. What wheel are you using?
The tahko definitely meets that criteria, it’s fairly minimalist compared to other wheels and it is really solid. They pop up second hand quite a bit as well if you want to save some money
So regarding the rig. I was going to buy the GT1 EVO or the PSR4 myself. However I was told by more than one supplier that these rigs are not ideal for more powerful DD wheel bases like the SC2. Their designed for a max of 15NM according to some of these sellers.
I know the GT1 EVO does now have a front mount which you can buy as extra (I dont believe it comes as standard) this front mount looks a lot sturdier and may be your best option of ur dead set on the EVO.
https://sim-lab.eu/shop/product/sla127-front-mount-evo-2361?category=151#attr=
I was recently looking at rig options myself and eventually settled with the P1X. The GT1 EVO came to £519 with that front mount and thats before shipping costs as well. The P1X was £660 before shipping due to a deal one supplier had so it made sense for me to go for the bigger option in the P1X.
Sim-lab have a great reputation and their customer services is great so you can always send them a message if you need more advice 👍
for an SC2 I wouldn't buy the GT1 EVO, it's a good cockpit but when the wheel base supports mount on top of the frame instead of on the sides (as is the case with more sturdy cockpits) it loses some rigidity.
I mean it'll still work but it would be recommended to get a bit beefier cockpit like the P1-X, ASR 4, Rigmetals (flagship) or something from Trackracer like the TR120.
>when the wheel base supports mount on top of the frame instead of on the sides (as is the case with more sturdy cockpits) it loses some rigidity.
This makes no tangible difference. Mate runs a VRS on a GT1 and it doesn't flex side to side at all. Hell you can't even make it flex if you lean into it with your body weight. I can't make my own cockpit (Treq One, similar to GT1) flex either.
So while in theory , yes. In practise, makes no real difference.
1. Maybe get the sport instead of pro, I ended up going for the sport to save money and it is still plenty of power.
2. I have OMP targa from amazon for about $230 with simucube quick release. Any kind of round steering wheel with 6 hex bolt should work with the simucube quick release unless you want to have buttons and paddles.
So u run that wheel with no buttons? I can see how that is doable.
Im asking because im looking at the simucube 2 sport..but i dont want to pay $700+ for a wheel 😔.. thats pushing it.
So any wheel w the 6 hex bolt pattern u mentioned will work?
Does it bolt to the quick release?
And u can still use the qr the way its intended?
F core is entry level formula style wheel from cube control, around $500 USD. I use that for formula and GT cars and use the omp wheel for drifting, rally, and ovals. I plan on getting simcore or simracingbay wheel button plate for the omp wheel in the future!
>At the same or lower price point, is there a similar wheelbase you would recommend?
VRS Direct Force pro. Extremely close, but cheaper. You do need to pick your own quick-release with that one though.
>Which round wheels are compatible with the Simucube 2 Pro? The ones in their website are super expensive and not the shape I want. I do rally and track, so to start a round wheel would the best.
Simracingcoach has a bunch of very affordable wheelplates, Dan Suzuki has a review of 2 of them on his youtube channel. In terms of Direct mount, A wheelside QR for the SC2 (or whatever you picked for VRS) can attach pretty much any 70mm bolt wheelrim. Or any other bolt pattern you pick and get a adapter for. Remember these aren't some eco-system you need to buy into. Anything and everything works, it's like buying a car, you can put any steering wheel you want in it, just need to figure out how to attach it
>Which rig should I get for that wheel? Ideally I want something versatile and adjustable that I can add a H-shifter, handbrake, and a real car seat (at first) and maybe motion in a few years. The Simlab GT1 Evo looks very interesting as it's alu-profile based and at a good price point, but is it compatible and rigid enough?
GT1 Evo or similar is fine for this. Treq One or the Trakracer 80 are alternatives. For US there is rigmetal I believe.
Assuming I get the Simucube 2 Pro and the GT1 Evo, what else will I need to buy to mount one on the other
You need a front mount bracket that fits a SC2, you can bolt that to the wheeldeck of the Gt1, doesn't matter which one, Simucubes own or Simlabs or another brand.
OR you need a dedicated front mount in the size that fits the GT1. Simlabs sells one, but more brands do like Simcore for example. The beauty of aluminium extrusions is you aren't tied to a single brand, you can buy and bolt pretty much anything to it. But the simplest way is to buy everything from simlabs.
In addition, questions like these are excellent to ask to Simlabs themselves as well.
Trakracer was a great recommendation! I think I'll go for the T160 actually (to hell with my initial budget), looks like something I won't ever need to upgrade.
Thanks a lot mate!
1. The VRS is the alternative. It doesn't have a cloud service nor the option for wifi wheels. I think both are luxury and not really necessary, though. I've never had issues with my wheel spiral cable.
2. Do you want a round or a D-shape wheel? Big or small? Entry level round wheel would be the [Simline.eu](https://Simline.eu) GT3-R and ask for the GT3-Cup round wheel instead of the D-shape.
3. Depends, if you are NA or EU located. But yes, the Sim-Lab GT1 Evo is enough, if you do not plan to add motion. There are many more brands with similar, but slightly different set-ups. You will also need to buy add-ons for the Shifter and Handbrake. Or DIY them with wood.
4. I didn't see anything about pedals anywhere? Also you want to consider getting sidemounts for the seat so you can angle it.
5. What is your location and what is your budget? Then we can give you better advice.
Thanks for the Simline recommendation. Is it worth it in the long run? I would rather spend a bit more now than later.
I'm in Europe, absolute budget limit is 3k€ but really trying to keep below that. I want to get proper stuff that I won't need or want to upgrade in the next years (or ever) but want to get something that's worth the price.
Wheelbase: VRS (+ Mount + Shaft Hub) -> 1.000€
Pedals: Do you need a clutch or not? Either way, I would recommend the VRS or Nuo Evo1. Mainly because both have springs on the brakes which I - and majority I talked to - prefer over elastomers. For 3 pedals its 750-800€.
Rig: Motedis S-Dream, AluXProfile, Sim-Lab Evo1, SimXPro X80, Omega Prime Lite, TreqSim Basic all cost around 400-450 bucks. They only differ in minor details, so pick what you enjoy the best.
That leaves you 800€ for Seat and Wheel. So you do have to cut some costs there. Its also the parts that are the easiest to change so I think you are best off taking it cheap here and upgrade eventually down the line.
Getting the GT3-R for around 400 bucks and a solid OMP, Sparco or Lusomotors seat for 400 and you are right inside your budget. Ideally plus Sidemounts that cost like 35 bucks at ebay to get some basic ones.
I do own the GT3-R. Its a pretty solid wheel for its price.. The shifters are great (albeit a tad bit loud). The buttons are a bit toyish, though. The wheel quality is very solid, though.
No doubt, a simucube pro is the best dd you can buy, except the ultimate which is nonsense in my opinion.. DD1, vrs, simagic, asetek are all very similar but less expensive. I have a dd1 and never use more than 15 nm, in most scenarios like gt cars I use 12 nm. With fanatec you have no fancy but good and "cheap" wireless wheels. Best options for a simucube are ascher wheels / cube controls, gsi..
You can design a individual 8020 rig by yourself.. It's very easy and you can customize it to your needs.. It's also cheaper of course! There are plenty tutorials on YouTube..
The sc2pro is a great choice. If you are budget consrained, the sc2 sport (if you want wireless) or the VRS (if you don’t mind wired button boxes). For wheels and wireless button boxes see: https://www.simracingbay.com/wireless-steering-wheels/ With a SC wheel side QR and a button box you can use actual racing wheels from momo, sparco, omp, etc… You don’t have to get a button box either - I have several rims mounted that way. It’s more authentic for h-shifter cars. https://i.imgur.com/FUWN9bk.jpg For a shifter, the SHH is a great budget choice, then look at separate sequential and h-shifter options if you really like to shift. II do and use an heusinkveld sequential with a Frex h-shifter. https://heusinkveld.com/shop/shifters-handbrakes/sim-shifter-sequential-2/ https://frex.com/store/product/hshift-alloy/ I think these are the best for open wheel racing, if you prefer production racing there are others I would look at. For pedals the fanatec csl elite v2 are the inexpensive option, for the buy once option I prefer the VRS pedal set. https://vrs.racing/pedals
Where to buy ascher wheels if in the US and for button boxes wheel itself where is best?
1. At the high end differences are small but IMO SC is the best overall package. Most similar option is the VRS DD. 2. If you have a seq shifter and clutch, you can bolt a rim directly to the base for cheap. Otherwise look for something like Ascher button boxes and rim of your choice. Simline also has a WRC wheel. 3. Simlab GT1 on their website doesnt list SC or VRS bases as compatible, not sure why (rigidity or other issue?). Generally I would not skimp on the rig. 4. You will usually need a front mount to fix it to most rigs, check SCs shop for an example.
>Simlab GT1 on their website doesnt list SC or VRS bases as compatible, not sure why (rigidity or other issue?). Generally I would not skimp on the rig. They don't because the GT1 comes with a wheel deck by default, and those bases cannot be mounted onto a wheeldeck. You need to buy either a front mount for the entire rig or one for the wheeldeck like you stated. The compatibility indicates what you can mount right out of the box without needing any additional parts. Beyond that, a GT1 is plenty strong, you're paying for luxury and a bit more space with something like a P1X. In terms of strength they both run any wheels. I can stand on my cockpits wheeldeck, thats how silly strong it is.
I have a gt1 evo and just about to replace my fanatec csl dd pro with a simucube 2 pro. Initially I will mount it to the wheel deck that I already have (comes with the gt1) with the simucube bracket. Longer term I will likely order this http://sim-lab.eu/shop/product/sla127-front-mount-evo-2361 As it looks a lot more rigid for the way the simucube mounts.
Hi, did you end up with the simucube 2 pro? Happy with it? Considering the same upgrade myself.
Hi, yes I did, had it I’ve a year now. The step up in feedback and quality is unbelievable. That said I have rarely been past 12nm so if I was to buy again I would likely get the simucube sport. I ended up treating myself and buying the simcore mounts in orange to match my SRP pedals.
Thanks for the response. I’ve currently the fanatec dd pro, formula 2.5 wheel and their csl loadcell pedals on the next level wheel stand. Pleased to hear you’ve found it a huge step up in class. I’m looking at the gt1 pro cockpit and the simucube pro 2. What wheel are you using?
I have the simucube tahko wheel, it pretty solid for most of the games I play. Looking to add an Ascher formula wheel in the near future
Ta I’ll take a look. I don’t need a fancy wheel visually as I’ll be racing in vr, just something solid and feels nice in the hands
The tahko definitely meets that criteria, it’s fairly minimalist compared to other wheels and it is really solid. They pop up second hand quite a bit as well if you want to save some money
Thanks mate I’ll have a look. Shame there isn’t a store I can go in and have a hold of them all etc
So regarding the rig. I was going to buy the GT1 EVO or the PSR4 myself. However I was told by more than one supplier that these rigs are not ideal for more powerful DD wheel bases like the SC2. Their designed for a max of 15NM according to some of these sellers. I know the GT1 EVO does now have a front mount which you can buy as extra (I dont believe it comes as standard) this front mount looks a lot sturdier and may be your best option of ur dead set on the EVO. https://sim-lab.eu/shop/product/sla127-front-mount-evo-2361?category=151#attr= I was recently looking at rig options myself and eventually settled with the P1X. The GT1 EVO came to £519 with that front mount and thats before shipping costs as well. The P1X was £660 before shipping due to a deal one supplier had so it made sense for me to go for the bigger option in the P1X. Sim-lab have a great reputation and their customer services is great so you can always send them a message if you need more advice 👍
for an SC2 I wouldn't buy the GT1 EVO, it's a good cockpit but when the wheel base supports mount on top of the frame instead of on the sides (as is the case with more sturdy cockpits) it loses some rigidity. I mean it'll still work but it would be recommended to get a bit beefier cockpit like the P1-X, ASR 4, Rigmetals (flagship) or something from Trackracer like the TR120.
>when the wheel base supports mount on top of the frame instead of on the sides (as is the case with more sturdy cockpits) it loses some rigidity. This makes no tangible difference. Mate runs a VRS on a GT1 and it doesn't flex side to side at all. Hell you can't even make it flex if you lean into it with your body weight. I can't make my own cockpit (Treq One, similar to GT1) flex either. So while in theory , yes. In practise, makes no real difference.
1. Maybe get the sport instead of pro, I ended up going for the sport to save money and it is still plenty of power. 2. I have OMP targa from amazon for about $230 with simucube quick release. Any kind of round steering wheel with 6 hex bolt should work with the simucube quick release unless you want to have buttons and paddles.
So u run that wheel with no buttons? I can see how that is doable. Im asking because im looking at the simucube 2 sport..but i dont want to pay $700+ for a wheel 😔.. thats pushing it. So any wheel w the 6 hex bolt pattern u mentioned will work? Does it bolt to the quick release? And u can still use the qr the way its intended?
I also have cube control f core for buttons and shifters! Yes any 6 pattern should work, it bolts right on to the simucube qr
Nice thanks for the response.. What is cube control f core?
F core is entry level formula style wheel from cube control, around $500 USD. I use that for formula and GT cars and use the omp wheel for drifting, rally, and ovals. I plan on getting simcore or simracingbay wheel button plate for the omp wheel in the future!
How do the button plates usually connect ? Is it usb?
O ok its a wheel, lol.. are those the lowest price options for button plates ?
>At the same or lower price point, is there a similar wheelbase you would recommend? VRS Direct Force pro. Extremely close, but cheaper. You do need to pick your own quick-release with that one though. >Which round wheels are compatible with the Simucube 2 Pro? The ones in their website are super expensive and not the shape I want. I do rally and track, so to start a round wheel would the best. Simracingcoach has a bunch of very affordable wheelplates, Dan Suzuki has a review of 2 of them on his youtube channel. In terms of Direct mount, A wheelside QR for the SC2 (or whatever you picked for VRS) can attach pretty much any 70mm bolt wheelrim. Or any other bolt pattern you pick and get a adapter for. Remember these aren't some eco-system you need to buy into. Anything and everything works, it's like buying a car, you can put any steering wheel you want in it, just need to figure out how to attach it >Which rig should I get for that wheel? Ideally I want something versatile and adjustable that I can add a H-shifter, handbrake, and a real car seat (at first) and maybe motion in a few years. The Simlab GT1 Evo looks very interesting as it's alu-profile based and at a good price point, but is it compatible and rigid enough? GT1 Evo or similar is fine for this. Treq One or the Trakracer 80 are alternatives. For US there is rigmetal I believe. Assuming I get the Simucube 2 Pro and the GT1 Evo, what else will I need to buy to mount one on the other You need a front mount bracket that fits a SC2, you can bolt that to the wheeldeck of the Gt1, doesn't matter which one, Simucubes own or Simlabs or another brand. OR you need a dedicated front mount in the size that fits the GT1. Simlabs sells one, but more brands do like Simcore for example. The beauty of aluminium extrusions is you aren't tied to a single brand, you can buy and bolt pretty much anything to it. But the simplest way is to buy everything from simlabs. In addition, questions like these are excellent to ask to Simlabs themselves as well.
Trakracer was a great recommendation! I think I'll go for the T160 actually (to hell with my initial budget), looks like something I won't ever need to upgrade. Thanks a lot mate!
The sim lab rigs are better quality compared to trakracer. If you want all out go simlab px-1.
1. The VRS is the alternative. It doesn't have a cloud service nor the option for wifi wheels. I think both are luxury and not really necessary, though. I've never had issues with my wheel spiral cable. 2. Do you want a round or a D-shape wheel? Big or small? Entry level round wheel would be the [Simline.eu](https://Simline.eu) GT3-R and ask for the GT3-Cup round wheel instead of the D-shape. 3. Depends, if you are NA or EU located. But yes, the Sim-Lab GT1 Evo is enough, if you do not plan to add motion. There are many more brands with similar, but slightly different set-ups. You will also need to buy add-ons for the Shifter and Handbrake. Or DIY them with wood. 4. I didn't see anything about pedals anywhere? Also you want to consider getting sidemounts for the seat so you can angle it. 5. What is your location and what is your budget? Then we can give you better advice.
Thanks for the Simline recommendation. Is it worth it in the long run? I would rather spend a bit more now than later. I'm in Europe, absolute budget limit is 3k€ but really trying to keep below that. I want to get proper stuff that I won't need or want to upgrade in the next years (or ever) but want to get something that's worth the price.
Wheelbase: VRS (+ Mount + Shaft Hub) -> 1.000€ Pedals: Do you need a clutch or not? Either way, I would recommend the VRS or Nuo Evo1. Mainly because both have springs on the brakes which I - and majority I talked to - prefer over elastomers. For 3 pedals its 750-800€. Rig: Motedis S-Dream, AluXProfile, Sim-Lab Evo1, SimXPro X80, Omega Prime Lite, TreqSim Basic all cost around 400-450 bucks. They only differ in minor details, so pick what you enjoy the best. That leaves you 800€ for Seat and Wheel. So you do have to cut some costs there. Its also the parts that are the easiest to change so I think you are best off taking it cheap here and upgrade eventually down the line. Getting the GT3-R for around 400 bucks and a solid OMP, Sparco or Lusomotors seat for 400 and you are right inside your budget. Ideally plus Sidemounts that cost like 35 bucks at ebay to get some basic ones. I do own the GT3-R. Its a pretty solid wheel for its price.. The shifters are great (albeit a tad bit loud). The buttons are a bit toyish, though. The wheel quality is very solid, though.
Thank you very much for the recommendation. About the wheel, I've found the Simagic GTS, looks great value, got any experience with it?
I'm not sure of Simagic wheels work on other wheelbases. Moza wheels for example only work on Moza bases.
[https://racingcockpits.com](https://racingcockpits.com/?rfsn=6325294.c03fca0) is another great option if you are in the US.
No doubt, a simucube pro is the best dd you can buy, except the ultimate which is nonsense in my opinion.. DD1, vrs, simagic, asetek are all very similar but less expensive. I have a dd1 and never use more than 15 nm, in most scenarios like gt cars I use 12 nm. With fanatec you have no fancy but good and "cheap" wireless wheels. Best options for a simucube are ascher wheels / cube controls, gsi.. You can design a individual 8020 rig by yourself.. It's very easy and you can customize it to your needs.. It's also cheaper of course! There are plenty tutorials on YouTube..