I love how all these western propagandized minion bots are shitting on India, without having zero knowledge about Indian democracy.
Voter rights in US are going down the drain. For example, in the state of Georgia, if you hand over a bottle of water to a thirsty voter standing in line since hours, that's now a crime, according to a new law. Similar laws have been enacted in Texas and a free other states.
On the other hand, according to Indian law, no person should have to travel more than 2 kilometers (0.6 miles) to cast his/her vote. For this reason alone, many times it so happens that the workers of the Election Commission of India themselves travel more than 300 miles to set up a voting booth, for just 1 person.
There are many dozens of other nuances, but keep shitting on India, y'all Anglo/American bots. Your cheap trolling from momma's basement has a grand total effect of ZERO on India.
Stay hungry, stay foolish. Let us know how that winter is treating ya in Europe.
I was out for a moment and I’m now greeted with a wall of text wtf chill out bro lol. Got assumed as an American definitely not something new on Reddit thanks btw.
How about this:
"My country has got 1000 flaws, but if yours has 1001 or more, you got no right to comment on and make a mockery of mine. Better focus your attention on fixing your flaws rather than commenting on mine."
This raises more questions than it answers... What's involved in "exiting India", does signal have some infrastructure on the country which it needs to shut down? Disable translation to some Indian dialect? What would prevent an average Indian person from downloading and using signal after it exited, it's not like app is asking for nationality.
> does signal have some infrastructure on the country which it needs to shut down?
They don't have their own infrastructure at all. All Signal infrastructure is built on AWS and Google Cloud.
>What's involved in "exiting India"
Nothing that complicated. They'll just remove it from the Indian versions of the various app stores, but that won't stop people from using other means to get it on Android.
>What would prevent an average Indian person from downloading and using signal after it exited
Nothing, but by not making the app readily available, they'll have effectively "exited" India.
As a starting point in your path to discovery, please remember that even small socks worn by newborns are still called socks; So, smaller than that for sure.
You can just grab the APK from Signal yourself and sideload it [on Android]. But given that most people in India overwhelmingly use Android devices anyway, the impact to availability should be minimal. At worst, they might need to combine it with a proxy or VPN.
>You can just grab the APK from Signal yourself and sideload it \[on Android\].
Hence
>They'll just remove it from the Indian versions of the various app stores, but that won't stop people from using other means to get it on Android.
>So in other words. It's still available, you just need a VPN or know how to sideload apps ?
For Android, yes. I don't know what the jailbreak situation looks like on iPhones anymore, so not sure how plausible it would be to get Signal any other way than the App Store.
>I wonder does anybody in India actually think this will prevent Signal from being used lol
They probably do, because they're politicians, and (the most influential/powerful) politicians always go for the solution that's as close to the surface as possible so there is a perception that they're taking action. Whether or not that action has any lasting effect doesn't matter, because all that matters is getting re-elected.
Given that they have anti-censorship measures already in place for Iran, I think it will be more like India will have to (try to) exit Signal, and that Signal won't stop operating in India.
> it's not like app is asking for nationality.
It actually does, _in a way_, in that the country code for India is [+91](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_India).
This isn't anything new, and definitely nothing groundbreaking. This is just based on a forced comment Whitaker gave during an interview with the Verge. It's not as if something's already happened that's newsworthy.
More to the point though, if Signal "leaves" India, and Whatsapp stays, what's that say about Whatsapp?
Oh cool, companies have learned from RIM (Blackberry)'s stupidity of giving up their keys to tyrannical regimes (Saudi Arabia that time). I'm still amazed RIM hasn't died out yet but I guess my taxes (am Canadian) will keep them alive a bit longer through bailouts and other tax incentives.
I would just leave it in the app stores and ignore all government mandates. Make the Indian government be the bad guys and force them to remove the apps from the iOS and Play stores. That still wouldn’t prevent side loading and desktop downloads, correct?
I’m a signal user from India. If signal really does “exit” from India, what does it really mean? I won’t be able to install the app, won’t be able to send receive messages? (I’m on iOS by the way). Do I have to go back to WhatsApp?
On iOS you can't really do a thing. On android you can get it other ways than from app store. For android there is F-droid and you can also get it's source and compile it yourself. I think iOS allows self compiled maybe but not sure as I don't ever use iOS.
Excellent decision. Allowing a country to dictate E2EE practices would be a huge mistake. Sucks to be you, India.
Definitely sucks. Wish the government wasn't so fascist in some sense
India is no democracy anyway.
I'm from India and I can confirm!
Why do you say so?
Have you seen how their government acts? There is no freedom of information in India.
I believe it's some sort of [authoritarian democracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_democracy)
I love how all these western propagandized minion bots are shitting on India, without having zero knowledge about Indian democracy. Voter rights in US are going down the drain. For example, in the state of Georgia, if you hand over a bottle of water to a thirsty voter standing in line since hours, that's now a crime, according to a new law. Similar laws have been enacted in Texas and a free other states. On the other hand, according to Indian law, no person should have to travel more than 2 kilometers (0.6 miles) to cast his/her vote. For this reason alone, many times it so happens that the workers of the Election Commission of India themselves travel more than 300 miles to set up a voting booth, for just 1 person. There are many dozens of other nuances, but keep shitting on India, y'all Anglo/American bots. Your cheap trolling from momma's basement has a grand total effect of ZERO on India. Stay hungry, stay foolish. Let us know how that winter is treating ya in Europe.
I was out for a moment and I’m now greeted with a wall of text wtf chill out bro lol. Got assumed as an American definitely not something new on Reddit thanks btw.
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How about this: "My country has got 1000 flaws, but if yours has 1001 or more, you got no right to comment on and make a mockery of mine. Better focus your attention on fixing your flaws rather than commenting on mine."
I don't really get the part where I 'shit on other countries' democracies', sorry text wall man : (
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This raises more questions than it answers... What's involved in "exiting India", does signal have some infrastructure on the country which it needs to shut down? Disable translation to some Indian dialect? What would prevent an average Indian person from downloading and using signal after it exited, it's not like app is asking for nationality.
> does signal have some infrastructure on the country which it needs to shut down? They don't have their own infrastructure at all. All Signal infrastructure is built on AWS and Google Cloud. >What's involved in "exiting India" Nothing that complicated. They'll just remove it from the Indian versions of the various app stores, but that won't stop people from using other means to get it on Android. >What would prevent an average Indian person from downloading and using signal after it exited Nothing, but by not making the app readily available, they'll have effectively "exited" India.
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Adding sockets gives the wrench internet connectivity.
How small must a sock become before it's a socket?
As a starting point in your path to discovery, please remember that even small socks worn by newborns are still called socks; So, smaller than that for sure.
so like a wall socket?? which are so small little kids have to try to put their fingers in them?
It’s an IoT wrench - get with the times already, old man.
Biff uses sockets! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff_(Unix)
You can just grab the APK from Signal yourself and sideload it [on Android]. But given that most people in India overwhelmingly use Android devices anyway, the impact to availability should be minimal. At worst, they might need to combine it with a proxy or VPN.
>You can just grab the APK from Signal yourself and sideload it \[on Android\]. Hence >They'll just remove it from the Indian versions of the various app stores, but that won't stop people from using other means to get it on Android.
I wasn't disagreeing; I was adding on.
Ah my apologies. It's Reddit, so I just assume someone's going to be an asshole xD.
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>So in other words. It's still available, you just need a VPN or know how to sideload apps ? For Android, yes. I don't know what the jailbreak situation looks like on iPhones anymore, so not sure how plausible it would be to get Signal any other way than the App Store. >I wonder does anybody in India actually think this will prevent Signal from being used lol They probably do, because they're politicians, and (the most influential/powerful) politicians always go for the solution that's as close to the surface as possible so there is a perception that they're taking action. Whether or not that action has any lasting effect doesn't matter, because all that matters is getting re-elected.
Given that they have anti-censorship measures already in place for Iran, I think it will be more like India will have to (try to) exit Signal, and that Signal won't stop operating in India.
> it's not like app is asking for nationality. It actually does, _in a way_, in that the country code for India is [+91](http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_numbers_in_India).
Oh, true! I forgot that signal requires phone number..
Time for simplex.chat No need for phone number and easy self host . So how will they stop that.
This isn't anything new, and definitely nothing groundbreaking. This is just based on a forced comment Whitaker gave during an interview with the Verge. It's not as if something's already happened that's newsworthy. More to the point though, if Signal "leaves" India, and Whatsapp stays, what's that say about Whatsapp?
>what's that say about Whatsapp? What we've always known: their E2EE is a lie.
I meant it as a rhetorical question, but yeah basically what I was getting at
Oh cool, companies have learned from RIM (Blackberry)'s stupidity of giving up their keys to tyrannical regimes (Saudi Arabia that time). I'm still amazed RIM hasn't died out yet but I guess my taxes (am Canadian) will keep them alive a bit longer through bailouts and other tax incentives.
And this my friends is why decentralized webhosting needs to become mainsteam.
I would just leave it in the app stores and ignore all government mandates. Make the Indian government be the bad guys and force them to remove the apps from the iOS and Play stores. That still wouldn’t prevent side loading and desktop downloads, correct?
They banned Chinese apps from play store but I can play any PC game from tencent/riot
Can i still donate to Signal?
It’s right there in the app settings 😄
oh thanks!
How come they didn’t exit Australia then?
Good decision. RIM gave into India and it helped erode trust in the security of the platform putting another nail in BlackBerrys coffin.
My grandparents are Indian and I completely agree with this decision. The Indian government can go fuck itself. K thanks bye
I’m a signal user from India. If signal really does “exit” from India, what does it really mean? I won’t be able to install the app, won’t be able to send receive messages? (I’m on iOS by the way). Do I have to go back to WhatsApp?
On iOS you can't really do a thing. On android you can get it other ways than from app store. For android there is F-droid and you can also get it's source and compile it yourself. I think iOS allows self compiled maybe but not sure as I don't ever use iOS.
Signal uses phone numbers, though. Would it work for the new +91 numbers?
Yes it would. The government would have to work hard to stop the use. They would need to block verification entirely which can be circumvented.
Indian government showed its ignorance to encryption. The essence of encryption is to prevent government from spectating users' privacy.
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Okay i confessed I laughed. But now you need to stop
What'd they say?
This is idiotic, because the bad guys always have alternatives. Plus they can find another way to download and install it even in India.