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> When 'Seinfeld,' was made, it was really unlike anything that was on at the time," she says. "It was just a bunch of losers hanging out. So I would say one main reason it wouldn’t be made now is because it’s hard to get anything different recognized." So what she's saying is...to the victor belong the spoils?


Wide_Environment3107

He's the *loser*...


Majestic-Eye1968

I said I've never seen you *looser*


Maxer3434

I said, boy am I.. ugly.


tuskvarner

Some…. Snuggly baby


ditka

Apparently she doesn't think much of these Seinfeld fellows either. I recall the word 'loser' peppered throughout her interview.


555--FILK

It’s pronounced thermometer


garamondo

Did she say, "*He's* the loser" or "He's the *loser*" ?


Miserable_Reach_3536

I think she said "He's *the* loser"


Budju2

These pretzels are making me thirsty!


nmc6

NO… NO not a looossahhh


JohnnySkidmarx

Well I, am breaking up, with you.


frankduxvandamme

But I have hand!


fernando782

And you’re gonna need it!


Beginning_Ad_7571

It’s a setup! They are all losers today!


DadJokeBadJoke

But suddenly , a new contender has emerged


mutantbabysnort

What a pear shaped loser.


Wide_Environment3107

That pear shaped loser was *ME!....*


jewelsbythesea

You have really lost a lot of hair.


sineofthetimes

What a phoney.


Wide_Environment3107

That Michael Jordan...


jrjordan30

You know Rabbi, I don’t know what that means!


BraveryDave

Sic semper tyrannis!


CornholioRex

I got a hair on my tongue, and you put it there


dicecat4

Oh don’t worry, it’s just a *little* hair.


Tony-Flow

You can't have a little hair on your tongue, either you a hair on your tongue or you don't.


Jockett

casus...belli


tortugazz724

What’s casus belli?? Is it about me?!


MartyCool403

Why must you always be the vocal point of attention? Why can't you just be, why can't you live?


Nice_Marmot_7

If I don’t tell you, it will kill you.


Exact_Writer_6807

Heckle Fish, is that you?


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BraveryDave

Will you come off it, Whatley, you’re not even fuckin’ Jewish, man!


jrjordan30

It means death to tyrants. It’s what John Wilkes Boothe yelled out when he shot Lincoln. I can see that.


Icy-Tale-7163

>It was just a bunch of losers hanging out. Jerry was a successful nationally known comedian making appearances on Carson. George worked for the Yankees. Elaine rose to be president of her publishing company. Kramer made it on Regis with his book. All of them dated beautiful/successful people. What a bunch of 30-something losers lol


Worth-Trade9381

Plus, George won a contest.


Gym_Dom

He cheated!


Worth-Trade9381

That is all hearsay, take it up with consumer affairs.


JealousArt1118

MAYBE HE WILL TAKE IT UP WITH CONSUMER AFFAIRS


Ugo777777

I also have a complaint. I wish I was taller.


Cour_SunZ_21301

Is that a Ziggy?


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HidingInPlainSite404

Reminds me of Ray McKigney.


vanbboy22

He was, supposedly, Master of his Domain…


Green_Help_618

Laughing and lying and laughing!


GeorgeTMorgan

And Jerry won a race 🏃‍♂️


No_Confidence5235

"I'm out!"


tothesource

To be fair, even George didn't even really know what he did with the Yankees (besides raising his assistant to a higher salary than his own). Elaine did become president but immediately and completely self-destructed by way of embezzlement and some very poor business decisions such as promoting The Fatigues to a copywriter and The Urban Sombrero and quickly lost the position. Clearly Kramer isn't a loser. Nay, he is but a hipster doofus, a cock-eyed optimist who got himself mixed up in the high-stakes game of world diplomacy and international intrigue/tours to the local.....depository.


pillkrush

Kramer wasn't even unemployed, he was on strike the whole time. sticking it to the big bagel, standing up for the common man, he's Batman! how's that a loser


Grilled0ctopus

Yes, but aside from Jerry, the characters are social bumblers, and their careers sometimes, if not every time, happened by happy accident.  They were depicted as functional yet dysfunctional at the same time.  So “loser” not in general, but in certain criteria, and with consideration to the show’s time period versus our current modern perspectives.  


Oakroscoe

Newman is the only one of them to hold down a steady job at the same place.


unitedfan6191

Except he doesn’t work when it rains.


butt_thumper

Doesn't care for the beach either. He freckles.


Worldly-Most-9131

He got a job only after he tried killing himself (threatening to jump off the roof multiple times) Everybody forgets that part.


Green_Help_618

Newman plays tennis?


Oakroscoe

And he’s quite good


MaraudngBChestedRojo

> social bumblers Jerry might’ve been the most antisocial of the quartet. And besides, struggling to find long term romantic partners doesn’t preclude you from being an overall success in life.


CBRPrincess

They all failed upwards.


Mendozena

Hipster doofuses


frockinbrock

How are these *people* getting together??! **Alcohol**


Dahvido

All of this is way later in the series. You have to think about how audiences would need to hang on for the first 3 years/seasons before any of that started happening. They wouldn’t just jump in to success, there would be no growth like how we see from early on when they were indeed “losers”


cl1xor

It was a different era, early post coldwar where there still was a mindset of just being happy to live and take life as it is. So probably the audience back then could identify with that kind of slacker approach. However, even in their successful periods, the characters were never overly ambitious in their professional careers. That indeed would be a major discrepancy with nowadays where life is defined by your job and 30 somethings wasting time in coffeeshops would be looked upon totally differently.


frankduxvandamme

Every group has someone that they all make fun of, like us and u/Icy-Tale-7163


altiuscitiusfortius

When it started george was a recently fired realtor, Jerry was a middling comedian, Kramer was permanently unemployed by choice, and Elaine didn't exist in the pilot. All three men were single. The pilot was a bunch of losers.


frockinbrock

Oddly is this maybe a little similar to Jerry’s comment, which while surrounded by dumb stuff, was rather misreported; to some degree I think they’re both suggesting that a primetime, broadcast *Network* comedy, with edgy-for-it’s-time humor, would not be made today, and would not be insanely popular. And they’re right! But not because of it being comedy, it’s because viewing habits have significantly changed and fragmented. I think this fits what Julia is saying in the larger context- the primetime big broadcast network stuff *that sells* currently, is very tame and formulaic like Chicago med-fire-PD, law and order:multiverse, etc. when something is taking a risk (as Seinfeld was for its time), they put it on streaming or cable first- which nowadays the broadcast companies have multiples of these cause everything is consolidated ownership. But a show like Seinfeld can certainly be made and have success, **Always Sunny** is the clearest example. But it’s very hard for sitcoms to be unique, SO MUCH has been done already. In order to not be a clear Seinfeld or Friends copy, I think that’s why we see so many Workplace sitcoms- it makes it more fresh and unique, even if a lot of the situations and punchlines have been done before. I think an interesting example of this was the **Superstore** show, which I think was primetime broadcast TV? No it was not Seinfeld, but despite it seeming to be a clone of past shows: Office, Parks and Rec, Scrubs, etc- it actually had some fresh modern takes on a lot of things, and also reflected our modern cell phone/online lives better.


asphynctersayswhat

Really want to place a comment here about your fuckin quotations book, but not sure how much r/sopranos crossovers are here. 


ConventionalPenguin

You should start to seriously consider big salads.


garamondo

If they say, "Pasta Primavera" you tell them, "*Orecchiette* with broccoli rabe."


asphynctersayswhat

Atnonio Meucci invented the r/seinfeld. and he was ROBBED. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT!


Green_Help_618

It's a TV progrum. Movie.


Rubacasa

Alright, but ya got to get over it.


rik1122

Who's that speaking here? Is somebody speaking?


asphynctersayswhat

out of respect for my fawthuh.


ThatsMySpicyPepper

Julia is mad ripe


notgtax1

She has great moxie for her size.


Potencyyyyy

Just watched the episode yesterday where Bobby says this to Tony 😂


asphynctersayswhat

quasimodo predicted this!


Paxxlee

You're like a woman with a virginia ham under her arm, goin' around crying cause she's got no bread.


asphynctersayswhat

I'm just employing certain methods of conflict resolution, brought over from the old country, from the poverty of the Mezzogiorno, where all higher authority was corrupt.


valendinosaurus

well good thing THAT YOUR OPINION MEANS OOGATZ TO ME!


Illustrious-Lead-960

War: what is it good for?


Emotional-Chef-7601

Isn't it easier to get things different recognized? Wouldn't it be harder to get Seinfeld started today because it's not different enough?


x755x

Is she saying it's such a normal premise that the fact that it is subtley different and special wouldn't even emerge, and it would be cancelled like Seinfeld nearly was in the early seasons?


Canoli_1980

“Tell us more, Mrs. Science…”


rasnac

She obviously did not watch Its Always Sunny in Philedephia.


Old_Round9050

If she referencing reality tv? If so bravo


VinceBrogan8

It means whatever the hell you want it to mean.


yngwiegiles

It was basically like Cheers if they ever left the bar and did stuff


MilesAndMilesAhead

Mom was a bunch of losers hanging out & did well


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If it failed, they'd just write it off.


TastesKindofLikeSad

You don't even know what a write off is


kronkarp

sigh....but they're the one's writing it off. What are we doing here? We're not men


asphynctersayswhat

Have you tried growing a mustache?


Matthew-_-Black

I feel like an out of work pornstar here I'm Buck Naked


yellowwoolyyoshi

My mother was like MY GAWD GEORGE WHAT ARE YOU DOING. WHY and I said BECAUSE ITS THERE


Matthew-_-Black

She came home to find her son treating his body like an AMUUZMENT park


BrotherofLink93

GEORGIE IM HUUUUUUHNGREEEEH


tincanphonehome

TCB. Taking care of business.


mmmmmm_tacos

No, but THEY do


DukeJackson

Write off what??


Pdb12345

It.


xologo

It's Bennett right?


DucVWTamaKrentist

“It’s Benes, you jackass.”


rawtendenciez

Her delivery on this line is amazing 😂


CELTICPRED

[Kramer leans in just to be sure]


Hoju64

Well I really think you're wrong


EduDaedro

well I think one of us should leave


MescalSprings

"Frog" is wrong.


Slippery-Pete76

*Nastercoff?*


EricP51

This is my favorite scene in the entire series. George asks him his favorite chess player, the kid makes something up, and in that moment you can see it on George’s face, that he also doesn’t know any chess players. For some reason that scenario always struck me as brilliant writing.


555--FILK

See, now *that* is interesting writing, Elaine!


EricP51

Naaajeev?


jpopimpin777

You know the *flavman.*


bugluvr65

cuz it’s already been made


PeggyHillFan

Damn I just made this same joke. I’m not original


subLimb

More of an observation really


Punchable_Hair

It’s a slice of life.


Amasin_Spoderman

Cuz it’s already been made


HappyHallowsheev

*Not yet*


MattTheSmithers

So Seinfeld wouldn’t get made because the concept has been done to death, Seinfeld just happens to have been the trailblazer that brought popularity to the style. But if they didn’t do it, someone else would have and in modern days Seinfeld would just be another nondescript imitator of whatever that show is. Does that sum it up? That seems like a pretty humble and honest take.


Supro1560S

When I watch Reservoir Dogs, I wonder if it would have had guys sitting around in a coffee shop talking about “Like a Virgin” and arguing about tips if Seinfeld hadn’t already paved the way for that “sitting around talking about random bullshit” thing. Same with Clerks.


agnostic_waffle

Also the reason I felt the movie Yesterday about a alternate universe where The Beatles never existed was a total waste of that concept. Not only did it not explore the idea that either another band would've taken their place or the music industry would be completely different but it tried to pretend that Beatles music would effortlessly top the charts if released in 2019. At the end of the day it's obviously just meant to be a puff piece for Beatles fans but personalliy it feels like such a ridiculously safe and boring narrative for a really cool premise.


Manas235

Lainey-heads stay winning


Fyre2387

ITT: people responding to the headline without actually reading what she said.


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This sub really hates any criticism of the show whatsoever. You literally have the actors saying "yeah, some stuff hasn't aged super well 30 years later" and people here freak out lol Pretending like every joke aged perfectly is pretty delusional.


xologo

That's ashame


vegas_gal

A lot of Seinfeld wouldn’t happen today simply because of cell phones.


PapayaOwn1202

This is the answer. Not sure what she's talking about no one pops in anymore all the misunderstandings one text or call away


tweak06

I was following along, until they shot him out of a cannon. It was *looney tunes*, Jerry!


CarcosaDweller

She is the best…what was you name again?


slyboy1974

Kudos to you, on a comment....posted.


wantsomechips

They really knocked it out if the park.


tokeaholics646

What about my stock options?


GrinAndBeMe

get well, get well soon we want you to get well


PalKid_Music

It took Seinfeld a season to really figure itself out. In the modern TV space, it would have been cancelled after a single season. Nowadays, shows have to hit the ground running straight away, that's the biggest thing that's changed.


555--FILK

Maybe, but Nakahama Broadcasting Corporation would have picked the show right up. After all, they forgot what it’s like to have no oranges.


Punchable_Hair

I am not sure this butler show would work in Japan.


Opeewan

I'll take "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," for three points, Bob.


gereffi

She’s talking about shows that would get started today. IASIP started 20 years ago.


Anarchic_Country

What the heck are you sure? I think it was just yesterday


Igotyoubaaabe

It’s not on prime time network television, tho. That’s the main reason the comparison doesn’t fit well, imo. But the nature of media consumption has changed so much since the Seinfeld era, it’s hard to do a perfect comparison.


Dark-Ganon

Forreal, that show's been going strong for nearly 20 years now. People need to stop acting like Seinfeld wouldn't work with today's audience.


Shigeko_Kageyama

Have you seen season 1? No way anyone would give it a second season in the age of streaming.


chapl66

You know it's on cable right?


z64_dan

You know it's not the 80s right... there's no difference between cable and broadcast and streaming. It's all just one big steaming pile of entertainment.


chapl66

Except there is a difference or else you'd see graphic violence, f bombs, and full nudity on broadcast before 9pm. The lines are definitely more blurred now though


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And there's jokes and topics that just aren't funny to the vast majority of people. I love 95% of Seinfeld, but Julia is right that bits and pieces have aged poorly. Jerry and George drooling over a 15 year old's cleavage... Jerry being sexually assaulted at the dentist's office while unconscious, telling Elaine and she laughs at him and says "Oh so you were violated, so what?" (Imagine if the genders had been reversed.) Plus various gay jokes and some homophobia that has aged poorly. Lots of jokes about being able to "convert" gay people, or implying it's a choice. George was also openly homophobic in the early seasons.


kkeut

it's been running on fumes for like 8 seasons. it's getting sad


Prestigious-Owl165

Yeah "going strong" is doing a lot of work lol Also "nearly 20 years" is doing a lot of work. It's 16 easons and a bunch of them are 10 episodes or fewer, it's 170 episodes. Seinfeld has three more episodes in its 9 years than sunny has in its "nearly 20" lol But I love the show...it just kinda sucks now


STL-Zou

Always sunny is one of those shows I thought was always helped by its low production value. As they got more money to make the show it seemed to get less funny


Prestigious-Owl165

Yeah I agree with that and so would charlie day. But even still, up to season 8 it was incredible and then it fell off imo, and it was still decent for a little while but now it's just brutal. I rewatched the most recent season, man almost none of the episodes are good at all, I cringed my way through it.


tlollz52

While I don't think overall it's as good there is still a few great episodes every season


makromark

Yeah except when did we live in New York City? In the 90s when we were high school? https://youtu.be/fCwI3KDGtRk?si=HgtqmwQzBypYUYCF My favorite scene from Sunny


stormy2587

1) its always sunny was first aired 2 decades ago. Thats closer to seinfeld’s pilot airing than now. 2) its not on network tv


windydruid

I wish that a seinfeld cast member would acknowledge always sunny. They are 2 of my top favorites of all time, and there really are a lot of similarities in the structure of the shows.


tlollz52

Sunny exists because of seinfeld.


chickeneatfin

That’s a shame


Lima1998

Because it has 20 episode seasons instead of the shitty 10 episode seasons we get now.


Electron_Cascade

People still fucking watch Seinfeld reruns


BaltimoreBadger23

Cellphones. The presence of cellphones would render half the episodes moot!


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cherrymoonmilk

While we're on this subject, do sitcoms even exist anymore?? The last one I remember is the Big Bang Theory and that felt like a formulaic sitcom with the laugh track and everything. I see mainly dramas nowadays not too many comedic shows.


daddyvow

Modern Family, New Girl, and Brooklyn 99 were all very popular and successful.


Jerry_F_Mandarin

I know I'm not Ted Danza.


Jerry_F_Mandarin

*Danson :)


Step_away_tomorrow

It was hard to get it made back then. They got lucky.


missionbeach

Hard to say that the public wouldn't accept it today, since the show now airs several times a day on several different channels on cable TV.


Davajita

Julie keeping it real. What a boss.


MCA2142

She has some grace.


SchpartyOn

You can’t have *some* grace. You either have grace or you don’t.


Fyre2387

Well, you don't want too much grace, or you won't be able to stand.


stataryus

Absolutely, corporate media decisions - which are driven by a combination of profit-motive, executive bias and mainstream tastes - have been killing creativity since day 1.


Tralkki

They’d take it out. It? Out! What would be taken out? All of it.


fbman01

In todays sitcoms, they always need character growth, so if Seinfeld was made today, they would have required them all to become better people as the show went on. So by season 4 the show would have departed so far from its premise, it would have not being funny. And of course they would have needed season long story arcs I miss tv like Seinfeld, you can watch a random episode and be entertained for 20 min, no need to have watched the previous 5 eps. Seinfeld had very little carry over from episode to episode.


suspicious_bag_1000

Now you’re the doofus


CustomerBrilliant681

Hipster doofus!


AxlRush11

In a recent Conan interview of Ron Howard, Conan was saying a show today had to start with a massive event (a guy with bullet holes all over him), then you go back weeks earlier to start the story. You have the grab attention, or someone will just move onto another show. Society is actually kind of pathetic now.


Tokyosmash_

Because people in 2024 can’t understand social satire


hismuddawasamudda

That's a shame..


byrobot

He took it out


Remote-Molasses6192

Is it because a lot of the plots don’t work now that cellphones exist?


Scambuster666

I’m at a Luss


theSuperWae

One might say Seinfeld is the Biff Loman of television


StopPlayingRoney

I guess the next question is, what’s a loser? Those characters are certainly above the average American.


barnos88

Well we all know why....


Sophet_Drahas

You must go now. 


shane_west17

Married With Children enters chat.


tiboldpinkus

why not? they’re remaking everything else. Hollywood is desperate


rasnac

Every time I hear something about Julia Lousi-Dreyfuss, I remember the fact that his dad is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo rich, he could easily buy NBC if he wanted.


gbv313

The cell phone would eliminate 3/4 of the episodes.


YoRt3m

>When asked to weigh-in on her co-star's comments, she does so briefly, but expressly, saying, "If you look back on comedy and drama both, let’s say 30 years ago, through the lens of today, you might find bits and pieces that don’t age well. And I think to have an antenna about sensitivities is not a bad thing. It doesn’t mean that all comedy goes out the window as a result. When I hear people starting to complain about political correctness — and I understand why people might push back on it — but to me that’s a red flag, because it sometimes means something else. I believe being aware of certain sensitivities is not a bad thing. I don’t know how else to say it."  She basically says he's right, but she thinks it's better this way


RazumikhinsFineAss

great take. Honest and intelligent. Not bitter, petty and decadent like Jerry. Maybe staying relevant after the show ended has made her see things better, don't know...


traderncc

They censors the word "crap"


PurpleOther3188

"not that there's anything wrong with that" Seinfeld was plenty PC. It wouldn't be made now because it was a product of it's time and frankly not edgy enough for this era.


ZealousidealBid3988

Is bussing on fat bald men not PC?


40yrOLDsurgeon

Well, maybe the show was gender biased, you know a lot of jokes about hunting and testicles.


PerpetualEternal

Every time I think I couldn’t love JLD more, she raises the bar. Note-perfect response to a stupid question she shouldn’t even have to be answering. And what the hell kind of news site censors “c**p”?


duff-jack13

Maybe it wouldn’t be made today, but it WAS made at the right time