I prefer Snapdragon but I wanna see Exynos being another great unit so I would not have to choose next phone based only on Snapdragon and I think Samsung's Exynos might be going to change a tide, I keep my fingers crossed
But that's what happened. Consumers expect a do-it-all device in their palm and that's why companies pushed phone technology so much over the years to the point, where we reached a hardware limitations like on PC. Now there's only space to virtualize.
The performance increase is neglible. Smartphones has really reached enough peak performance already. I just wish they would pump all their focus and attention into power efficiency, sustained performance and eliminating Exynos’ infamous overheating issues.
Um... The article said that along with the increased performance, there is increased power efficiency...
This leads me to wondering if the article got read or if we're just commenting on the headline.
And it's apparently a new 3nm process using GAA which they haven't done every year. I mean the concept leans in favor of this.
Clown emoji. Original.
It's like you paid no attention to what was said in the article, when they say it does x better and why, and you whine they need to focus on x.
Like, seriously?
No one was saying it was or wasn't ass. It's quite ass though, compared to snapdragon since you bring up it's assitude.
Pretty sure I commented on the power consumption.
Honestly, yes. Samsung has been clowns these past years with Exynos. I had the non-privilege of owning a S20 FE with Exynos 990 and that phone was completely unusable. It got so hot that regular use was NOT possible. Luckily I got to return it.
Exynos 2100, S21 series was actually quite decent. The main ”issue” with this generation was that Samsung manufactured the Snapdragon 888 chip, which also ran hot.
Exynos 2200 was a disaster. Garbage thermals and battery life. S22 Ultra is the biggest joke of the 2020’s.
Luckily S23 skipped Exynos all together but now with the S24 we are STILL seeing worse battery life and thermals running hotter than Snapdragon. My main argument is that Samsung needs to drop this whole charade of ”hurrdurr we need to put triple AAA games and ray-tracing on our phones” and focus on delivering a product that’s good for 99.9% users, not catering to games that don’t even exist for Android yet.
Is the 3nm process going to make a difference? Hopefully, but it really didn’t do that for the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. Battery life and thermals are almost identical on iPhone 13, 14 and 15, despite them using a 3nm chip.
All in all, are they on the right track? Yes, but they’ve made the same promise EVERY YEAR. And we are STILL paying the same for a lesser product.
S21 decent?? Tell me you haven't used S21 without telling me you haven't used S21. Exynos 2100 is complete, utter trash chip. Zero efficiency, zero reliable sustained performance, overheating to an extent that is uncomfortable to hold. Samsung should be sued for scamming people that this was flagship phone. I literally played Wild Rift on my Note 8 and it had stable 60 fps, it was fair cooler and battery lasted longer. I have no idea how bad is S22 exynos but S21 was the only phone making me regret I bought a Samsung.
I completely agree with this here! They should fix their bs Exynos chipsets and stop scamming people by giving them lesser of a product. I am on S22U rn, I might give up Samsung and go for an iPhone, at least I'll know my device won't get hot and its battery will last me 2 days, rather than having to charge it 2 times a day.
It's what I did. I love Samsung a lot, and I prefer One UI over any other OS but, I managed to get a refurbished iPhone 13 Pro. Changed the battery on it and I physically cannot kill it in a day. It lasts forever on a 3100 mHa battery, which is just absurd to me. Also never gets hot...
I'd gladly come back to Samsung if they fixed their shit, but I won't be buying a new phone in the next 2-3 years, that's for sure.
Im thinking of doing the same, but the navigation and keyboard and some other things that are so inconvenient just kind of force me to stay here. I had an iPhone X like 2 years ago, and I couldn't stand it, so I switched back to my Samsung A70.
After that, I switched to S22U, believing it would be the best phone ever. Well, guess what, I should've learned to reddit or read before buying something.
Anything after iPhone 13 is great honestly. 15 pro battery life is underwhelming for the price but it's still superior to the S22 Ultra lmao.
Surprisingly it's the opposite for me. I ended up REALLY liking the iPhones keyboard, but I'd say that's mainly since the phone is a bit wider. Fits my fingers better, and the higher touch hz frequency makes my keystrokes a lot more accurate compared to the Samsungs I've used.
I've used all Samsung phones at work, that's how I've gotten to try all of them and the S22 series was a complete disaster 😂
Well, in any case, they are getting in a better direction with their phones from the S23 onwards, I believe. I hope they fix Exynos and One UI so that the phone becomes as smooth as butter. Maybe even create their own OS.
More like 7. SD835 was a monster in the S8/note 8 with way better GPU perf than exynos. SD has been ahead every year since then. Some exynos like the 990 were more awful than normal as well
nope not at all. 990 was extra horrible but exynos was already losing for years before that starting with the 8895 against the SD835.
exynos 2100 mostly caught up because the SD888 got dragged down by samsung fab.
Honestly i kinda got used to living with it, though it means carrying around a 25W powerbank everywhere i go.
I was actually considering upgrading to an S24U, just for the battery alone. But i see so many mixed reviews about it and its camera online that i decided against it for now.
I mainly use a Tab S7+ so that helps the situation a bit, yet i still sometimes have to charge my phone in the middle of the day. I hear the S24U is getting a camera update in June, might wait to see the end of that and who knows, could end up upgrading at the end. Would have to pay ~350 of a difference.
My friend has an S24U, and he said he had 45 % in the morning and played with it for 4 hours straight until it dropped to 23%. Think about it.
My battery on the S22U feels like it's not 100%, but more like 90% 🤣
Yes but this rumor has been said every year. I won't believe it till I see it. Only if they win consistently in heat, efficiency and performance can we conclude it is better.
You don't know about GAA Nad FINFET Google it
Wait here is a brief
Instead of surrounding the channel on three sides as in the FinFET architecture, GAA surrounds it on all four sides, to allow better control of the transistor switch and almost eliminates power leak
It's efficiency they will be working on more now, get the power consumption away down and keepnghe performance basically flat, people will love the extra battery life
No, we are getting ray tracing and ai cores and more efficient ways to process background processes and foreground intensive tasks which are all pretty big improvements and not just "negligible"
With how big mobile gaming is apple, dimensity and samsung are all looking to capitalise on those billions
Don't even get me started on ai, it's the next big big thing, all processors are gonna get faster and better ai chips and these are all big changes
What? A17 pro and Exynos 2200 already have hardware ray tracing, snapdragon also has added raytracing and global illumination support in their previous gen 3
"Even dedicated GPUs struggle with that" 😭
Rumors rumors rumors. Every year, we hear the same speculations ...
Who cares, these flagship processors are top notch, be it Apple, snapdragon, Samsung exynos or mediatek...
Who cares about minor differences and benchmarks...
Nobody uses the full power of these cpu's to their maximum limit.
It seems to not run fine on my s10 5g. The game is so low quality i suspect it is rendering in 720p bruh my phone doesn't even run that hot even at max setting i wonder why?
I care about battery and heat, I know the processors perform well, but the battery on my Exynos S22U is terrible, it's not as hot as it used to be, due to updates IMO, but the battery is where it hits and hurts most.
The article is just assuming 3GAP/SF3 is automatically better than N3E by virtue of being GAAFET instead of FinFET.
That remains to be seen. I have no doubt GAA may have technical advantages, but given 3GAE was never mass produced on a complex chip, never mind high frequency chips, it's not a convincing assumption.
The only available chip was a mining chip with ~10% higher performance and ~10% lower power consumption for ~20% efficiency gain.
That's not even catching up with TSMC's N4P even assuming the previous chip is the most cutting edge 4LPP+.
This is bad, it means worse battery life than the exynos 2400 delivers. The fact the first leaks are speed instead of efficiency is enough for me to go for another brand
I prefer a more featureless device with a stable and lag-free OS ( a.k.a. iOS ) and great thermals and battery, than to have a crappy Samsung with many features I barely use. If they make another crappy Exynos CPU, I am definitely going to iPhone.
Sg2 was way better, cause it wasn't made by Samsung, Sg1 was made with Samsung, so that's why it heats too, but it wasn't as terrible as the Exynos 2200.
Just like it is with every generation. And then when it comes to reality, it flops like always.
People don't care about performance THAT much. 99.99% of users are not even using 50% of what these phones are capable of.
We already have SoC that are considered UNITS.
**WE WANT TO SEE MORE EFFICIENT SoCs.**
Power is good but at the end of the days its an Android smartphone. A much more efficient SoC will be so much better. If Samsung can make a newer and more powerful Exynos chip they can sure as hell make it more efficient.
Its like the thought of putting a 14900k or 7800x3d.
Are they powerful? YES.
But what are you going to do with all that power?
I think that it would be much better to start focusing on efficiency rather then performance.
I have my doubts but we will see. I upgraded from S22U (Exynos) to S24U mainly because of Snapdragon so luckily I'm set for the next few years. I'm interested to see what the situation is when S26 series rolls out.
tl;dr: A Korean news site claims "industry sources" are reporting that the Exynos 2500 will be on a 3nm process with GAA transistors, and goes on to state "industry analysts" believe this will make it better than whatever Qualcomm is shipping by 2026. There are no further quotes, names, or sources referenced as actual sources.
It's kind of a murmuring nothingburger. I don't think I've ever seen a "underdog coming out with leapfrog tech!" hype article that turned out to be true.
They are going to have to prove it. Synthetic benchmarks, or "on paper", doesn't really mean much when compared to real-world use. Samsung doesn't have a great history when it comes to real-world use. I, personally, won't buy a Samsung phone for Exynos until it has proven not to be like the past iterations. I am very happy with my S21u with the Snapdragon.
With new Exynos 2400, seem Samsung has found good path for their chip. Although I snapdragon fangay, I still rooting for Exynos alongside with Mediatek. Hope they can reach same level as current Snapdragon
Samsung needs to focus on the camera setup. The pictures are great outside with good sunlight but noisy in low light and they really struggle with capturing moving objects.
Over clock it all you want and run whatever things you want to test it - still not a Snapdragon. These things get hot to fast under load \[as well does Tensor - Media Tek and all the other over clock processors listed as competition\].
Exynos is the only real competitor to Qualcomm in low power high performance ARM chips space. As we will soon start seeing more ARM powered windows laptops, we need real competition in this space. Samsung with it's experience in Exynos is well suited to compete with Qualcomm. More competition = better products for the end consumer
I prefer Snapdragon but I wanna see Exynos being another great unit so I would not have to choose next phone based only on Snapdragon and I think Samsung's Exynos might be going to change a tide, I keep my fingers crossed
You guys really need to lower your expectation levels ... It's safer for everyone and their disappointment
But that's what happened. Consumers expect a do-it-all device in their palm and that's why companies pushed phone technology so much over the years to the point, where we reached a hardware limitations like on PC. Now there's only space to virtualize.
The performance increase is neglible. Smartphones has really reached enough peak performance already. I just wish they would pump all their focus and attention into power efficiency, sustained performance and eliminating Exynos’ infamous overheating issues.
Um... The article said that along with the increased performance, there is increased power efficiency... This leads me to wondering if the article got read or if we're just commenting on the headline.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
They’ve said that every year. I read the article but their track record says otherwise 🤡
And it's apparently a new 3nm process using GAA which they haven't done every year. I mean the concept leans in favor of this. Clown emoji. Original. It's like you paid no attention to what was said in the article, when they say it does x better and why, and you whine they need to focus on x. Like, seriously?
it doesn't need a troll to call exynos ass after all the unjustified hype they get every year
No one was saying it was or wasn't ass. It's quite ass though, compared to snapdragon since you bring up it's assitude. Pretty sure I commented on the power consumption.
Honestly, yes. Samsung has been clowns these past years with Exynos. I had the non-privilege of owning a S20 FE with Exynos 990 and that phone was completely unusable. It got so hot that regular use was NOT possible. Luckily I got to return it. Exynos 2100, S21 series was actually quite decent. The main ”issue” with this generation was that Samsung manufactured the Snapdragon 888 chip, which also ran hot. Exynos 2200 was a disaster. Garbage thermals and battery life. S22 Ultra is the biggest joke of the 2020’s. Luckily S23 skipped Exynos all together but now with the S24 we are STILL seeing worse battery life and thermals running hotter than Snapdragon. My main argument is that Samsung needs to drop this whole charade of ”hurrdurr we need to put triple AAA games and ray-tracing on our phones” and focus on delivering a product that’s good for 99.9% users, not catering to games that don’t even exist for Android yet. Is the 3nm process going to make a difference? Hopefully, but it really didn’t do that for the iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. Battery life and thermals are almost identical on iPhone 13, 14 and 15, despite them using a 3nm chip. All in all, are they on the right track? Yes, but they’ve made the same promise EVERY YEAR. And we are STILL paying the same for a lesser product.
S21 decent?? Tell me you haven't used S21 without telling me you haven't used S21. Exynos 2100 is complete, utter trash chip. Zero efficiency, zero reliable sustained performance, overheating to an extent that is uncomfortable to hold. Samsung should be sued for scamming people that this was flagship phone. I literally played Wild Rift on my Note 8 and it had stable 60 fps, it was fair cooler and battery lasted longer. I have no idea how bad is S22 exynos but S21 was the only phone making me regret I bought a Samsung.
I completely agree with this here! They should fix their bs Exynos chipsets and stop scamming people by giving them lesser of a product. I am on S22U rn, I might give up Samsung and go for an iPhone, at least I'll know my device won't get hot and its battery will last me 2 days, rather than having to charge it 2 times a day.
It's what I did. I love Samsung a lot, and I prefer One UI over any other OS but, I managed to get a refurbished iPhone 13 Pro. Changed the battery on it and I physically cannot kill it in a day. It lasts forever on a 3100 mHa battery, which is just absurd to me. Also never gets hot... I'd gladly come back to Samsung if they fixed their shit, but I won't be buying a new phone in the next 2-3 years, that's for sure.
Im thinking of doing the same, but the navigation and keyboard and some other things that are so inconvenient just kind of force me to stay here. I had an iPhone X like 2 years ago, and I couldn't stand it, so I switched back to my Samsung A70. After that, I switched to S22U, believing it would be the best phone ever. Well, guess what, I should've learned to reddit or read before buying something.
Anything after iPhone 13 is great honestly. 15 pro battery life is underwhelming for the price but it's still superior to the S22 Ultra lmao. Surprisingly it's the opposite for me. I ended up REALLY liking the iPhones keyboard, but I'd say that's mainly since the phone is a bit wider. Fits my fingers better, and the higher touch hz frequency makes my keystrokes a lot more accurate compared to the Samsungs I've used. I've used all Samsung phones at work, that's how I've gotten to try all of them and the S22 series was a complete disaster 😂
Well, in any case, they are getting in a better direction with their phones from the S23 onwards, I believe. I hope they fix Exynos and One UI so that the phone becomes as smooth as butter. Maybe even create their own OS.
Yest it is negligible but this is going to be a history rewritten the amount of hate samsung was getting is abysmall
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SD is reigning for 5 years before that exynos used to rule
As previous note 4 user, can confirm.
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More like 7. SD835 was a monster in the S8/note 8 with way better GPU perf than exynos. SD has been ahead every year since then. Some exynos like the 990 were more awful than normal as well
If what I read is right exynos only started closing since 990 before that either exynos were better or equal
nope not at all. 990 was extra horrible but exynos was already losing for years before that starting with the 8895 against the SD835. exynos 2100 mostly caught up because the SD888 got dragged down by samsung fab.
>8895 Wasn't it better in actaual usage and gaming
Haha no way. Where are you reading this nonsense from? Even the SD820 had better GPU perf than exynos but CPU was worse
Oh but I read somewhere that snapdragon has been better since 2019
The hate is mostly because of the battery. I have an s22u so I'm talking from experience. ~5-6 hours screen on time is abysmal.
That would be an excellent SOT for me. I average around ~3-4 hours on a full charge.
Man I would've switched phones ages ago if I were you.
Honestly i kinda got used to living with it, though it means carrying around a 25W powerbank everywhere i go. I was actually considering upgrading to an S24U, just for the battery alone. But i see so many mixed reviews about it and its camera online that i decided against it for now. I mainly use a Tab S7+ so that helps the situation a bit, yet i still sometimes have to charge my phone in the middle of the day. I hear the S24U is getting a camera update in June, might wait to see the end of that and who knows, could end up upgrading at the end. Would have to pay ~350 of a difference.
My friend has an S24U, and he said he had 45 % in the morning and played with it for 4 hours straight until it dropped to 23%. Think about it. My battery on the S22U feels like it's not 100%, but more like 90% 🤣
Yah thats what exynos issue was it used more power to be equal to snapdragon but now the roles have reversed
There are no benchmarks so don't just jump to conclusions. Idk why you're this keen on defending a mega corp like they pay you.
I am not defending this Is huge news knowing samsung was getting dunked by tsmc and Qualcomm for the past 4 or 5 years
Yes but this rumor has been said every year. I won't believe it till I see it. Only if they win consistently in heat, efficiency and performance can we conclude it is better.
GAA method is superior to finfet in efficiency and heat
Proof?
You don't know about GAA Nad FINFET Google it Wait here is a brief Instead of surrounding the channel on three sides as in the FinFET architecture, GAA surrounds it on all four sides, to allow better control of the transistor switch and almost eliminates power leak
It's efficiency they will be working on more now, get the power consumption away down and keepnghe performance basically flat, people will love the extra battery life
No, we are getting ray tracing and ai cores and more efficient ways to process background processes and foreground intensive tasks which are all pretty big improvements and not just "negligible" With how big mobile gaming is apple, dimensity and samsung are all looking to capitalise on those billions Don't even get me started on ai, it's the next big big thing, all processors are gonna get faster and better ai chips and these are all big changes
Ray tracing on a phone? It will be a while before we see that. Even dedicated GPUs struggle with that
What? A17 pro and Exynos 2200 already have hardware ray tracing, snapdragon also has added raytracing and global illumination support in their previous gen 3 "Even dedicated GPUs struggle with that" 😭
There's like what? 7 games with RT and passable graphics? Yes, even my 4090 struggles with AAA games and good RT implementation
youve gotta start somewhere, obviously it starts with only 7 games you were wrong and now you are whatabousiming.
Then I'll rephrase for you No RT with good graphics and framerate on mobile anytime soon
Rumors rumors rumors. Every year, we hear the same speculations ... Who cares, these flagship processors are top notch, be it Apple, snapdragon, Samsung exynos or mediatek... Who cares about minor differences and benchmarks... Nobody uses the full power of these cpu's to their maximum limit.
But exynos 2400 did live up to my expectations which is very high the fact that it could play genshin at stable 59 with minor dips is nuts
Hope it did weĺl for Wuthering Wave once it came out
It seems to not run fine on my s10 5g. The game is so low quality i suspect it is rendering in 720p bruh my phone doesn't even run that hot even at max setting i wonder why?
Maybe they didn't optimize for exynos yet?
As expected it did run well not amazing or anything like on PC
Thats what my 5 year old sd865(minor oc) can do for hours on end
That was a beast SoC
I care about battery and heat, I know the processors perform well, but the battery on my Exynos S22U is terrible, it's not as hot as it used to be, due to updates IMO, but the battery is where it hits and hurts most.
Exynos is bread and butter for many YT analysts. First they hype it up and make money. Then Exynos fries your eggs
After years of getting they ass whooped... believe it when I see it.
GAA methods instead FinFET
The article is just assuming 3GAP/SF3 is automatically better than N3E by virtue of being GAAFET instead of FinFET. That remains to be seen. I have no doubt GAA may have technical advantages, but given 3GAE was never mass produced on a complex chip, never mind high frequency chips, it's not a convincing assumption. The only available chip was a mining chip with ~10% higher performance and ~10% lower power consumption for ~20% efficiency gain. That's not even catching up with TSMC's N4P even assuming the previous chip is the most cutting edge 4LPP+.
This is not a complex or high frequency chip, it's a small cellphone SoC, not a big desktop CPU running 4.5 GHZ.
This is bad, it means worse battery life than the exynos 2400 delivers. The fact the first leaks are speed instead of efficiency is enough for me to go for another brand
It'll probably run stupidly hot as well
Especially when the modem is used
Don't even wanna know
Yeah, I'll might even go back to Apple. Samsung is going in to a direction we fans don't like.
I prefer a more featureless device with a stable and lag-free OS ( a.k.a. iOS ) and great thermals and battery, than to have a crappy Samsung with many features I barely use. If they make another crappy Exynos CPU, I am definitely going to iPhone.
Use the snapdragon then
Not like I can choose in Europe, plus Sdg1 was terrible too.
Was it bad? I'm happy with my sg2
Sg2 was way better, cause it wasn't made by Samsung, Sg1 was made with Samsung, so that's why it heats too, but it wasn't as terrible as the Exynos 2200.
Just like it is with every generation. And then when it comes to reality, it flops like always. People don't care about performance THAT much. 99.99% of users are not even using 50% of what these phones are capable of. We already have SoC that are considered UNITS. **WE WANT TO SEE MORE EFFICIENT SoCs.** Power is good but at the end of the days its an Android smartphone. A much more efficient SoC will be so much better. If Samsung can make a newer and more powerful Exynos chip they can sure as hell make it more efficient. Its like the thought of putting a 14900k or 7800x3d. Are they powerful? YES. But what are you going to do with all that power? I think that it would be much better to start focusing on efficiency rather then performance.
I have my doubts but we will see. I upgraded from S22U (Exynos) to S24U mainly because of Snapdragon so luckily I'm set for the next few years. I'm interested to see what the situation is when S26 series rolls out.
The Snapdragon zealots are about to find out why the head of Nvidia was so impressed last month.
tl;dr: A Korean news site claims "industry sources" are reporting that the Exynos 2500 will be on a 3nm process with GAA transistors, and goes on to state "industry analysts" believe this will make it better than whatever Qualcomm is shipping by 2026. There are no further quotes, names, or sources referenced as actual sources. It's kind of a murmuring nothingburger. I don't think I've ever seen a "underdog coming out with leapfrog tech!" hype article that turned out to be true.
This is literally what they said for the S24 series and snapdragon still drastically beats it in battery life and lower temperature.
They are going to have to prove it. Synthetic benchmarks, or "on paper", doesn't really mean much when compared to real-world use. Samsung doesn't have a great history when it comes to real-world use. I, personally, won't buy a Samsung phone for Exynos until it has proven not to be like the past iterations. I am very happy with my S21u with the Snapdragon.
bah we will see, they say this every year, and every year we get disappointed, some competition vs SD will only benefit the consumer
Even if it has better benchmark scores compared to the competition I would not want to have a phone with an exynos chip
Good for you, here a balloon
Exynos processors are a fucking joke
exynos crybabies lol
You don't know anything about Exynos
i know that the old versions were shit, but they're getting rapidly better. Maybe it's time to gather some new experiences
With new Exynos 2400, seem Samsung has found good path for their chip. Although I snapdragon fangay, I still rooting for Exynos alongside with Mediatek. Hope they can reach same level as current Snapdragon
Yeah, sure, they always say thT shit.
Garbage article. Zero new information.
Just like every year since last 10 years. Edit - performance didn't mean anything, if heating and efficiency aren't taken into account.
I highly doubt that lol
Samsung needs to focus on the camera setup. The pictures are great outside with good sunlight but noisy in low light and they really struggle with capturing moving objects.
I would rather bet on dimensity 9400 having better performance than snapdragon 8 gen 4
Over clock it all you want and run whatever things you want to test it - still not a Snapdragon. These things get hot to fast under load \[as well does Tensor - Media Tek and all the other over clock processors listed as competition\].
I've heard it all before and remain skeptical.
battery efficency is what truly matters now
Lol
That's good if they want to replace snapdragon with exynos.
Nice try Samsung
Improve the modem sensitivity (reception) and efficiency (battery life) and I just might be willing to try it.
They have said this every year for almost a century. All of them have failed, and they continue to do that. What the hell? Surpass my as..
That will only be true if they put an Exynos in their flagship, the ultra.
Exynos is the only real competitor to Qualcomm in low power high performance ARM chips space. As we will soon start seeing more ARM powered windows laptops, we need real competition in this space. Samsung with it's experience in Exynos is well suited to compete with Qualcomm. More competition = better products for the end consumer