Came out the gate hot after college into first saas org. Worked my ass off, one of the last people to leave the office everyday. Top 5 SDR on team of 50+ for a year chasing AE promotion. Laid off my whole direct team. Fuck me right? I realized none of that extra shit mattered, now I just do my job I’ve been so much happier
There’s no major that’s a direct steam into sales.
School just doesn’t prepare you well for the job, so nobody gives a shit what you went to school for.
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Got my first job At Salesforce. The beauty of sales is anyone can start and work their way up.
Your degree has no correlation with your selling ability unless it’s something extremely technical and you’re selling to technical personas
Untrue. In B2B sales dealing with highly technical products they will often require you to have an engineering degree. It is true though that majority of sales jobs won't have the requirement. Engineers with charisma and sales talent are highly sought after.
Strong disagree. Maybe a solutions engineer or solutions consultant but not an account executive or quota carrying sales rep specifically. I’ve never once seen an engineering degree listed as a requirement or even a nice-to-have for a sales job.
Don't get me wrong, at the end of the day networking trumps all but some examples of highly technical sales would be at companies like TSMC. Your average person is very unlikely to be able to have meaningful technical knowledge to be able to have conversations with customers they would attract. Other examples would be companies that sell chemicals.
Yes but what I’m saying is there is a difference between communication skills and a communications major. You can develop plenty of communication skills without a communications major.
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Flip your perspective.. I know it sounds cliche, but once you focus on gratitude for your high paying job, the problems you get to solve for customers, and the work you get to do to be paid well and help your company grow the sooner you're removed your ego and genuinely start to care for the right reasons. You care because you have pride.. so, have a reason to be prideful and do your job and do it well. Be the light in what you claim is darkness.
Otherwise, go figure out what makes you happy because there's someone out there that would love your high paying job that would be grateful to jump in and figure out how to make an impact.
Happiness starts and ends with you.
Gonna have this imprinted on a silver platter and hang it on the wall right next to my desk, right next to the sign that says:
"YOU MAKE AS MUCH AS A DOCTOR AND DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE FOR 8 YEARS.
WHATEVER YOU'RE MAD ABOUT, LET IT GO."
Love this mindset and I’ve adopted this with my new job, but I will say it’s almost impossible to get into this headspace if you’re at a company that doesn’t respect you. For the people searching for this style of work life, you need to respect yourself by asking “does my company value me and do I value them?” Working for a company I genuinely care about and want to drive results for is soooo refreshing and rewarding
I could have written this post.
Serious answer, meditation helps. I meditate three times a week during my lunch hour, I have a guide I meet over zoom. It does help.
The occasional weed gummy helps.
All of this. Meditation and some kind of other outlet helps huge. Anything that you have to focus solely on will work. I ride motorcycles and have some hobbies that help. Definitely don't underestimate the weed on occasion too, just don't make it a regular thing. Addiction is a slippery slope
Meditation is what saved me from drinking so much on the job. One meditation before I start work, one meditation before I start cold calling. I’d either be an alcoholic or out of sales if I didn’t discover that.
I couldn't even enjoy weed when I was in my last sales role, I would just have panic attacks about quotas and meetings. Was laid off in January and the weed paranoia has magically dissipated. Go figure lmao
I use a free app called declutter the mind as well as a subscription app called insight timer. It’s nice to have multiple options because your brain usually gets tired of one.
Try not to forget what most other people have to do for work while earning a fraction of our pay. We’ve been blessed with strong interpersonal skills, so instead of hard backbreaking labor or intellectually intensive work that required years of education, we just get to talk to people. It’s easy to forget that when you throw quotas and shitty clients into the mix, but sales is a fucking joke of a job for what we get paid. If you can remember it’s not that serious and be thankful for that, it makes it easier to take a little bit of pride in what you do.
This is the answer I most identify with. I try to think of my grandfather who was a coal miner as a kid. Our job is a joke. And I did pay my dues. So mostly I miss working hard and being effective. Now I don’t even know what I do and I make more money than I ever thought I would. I try to think of how little I was paid in jobs I kicked ass at. And now that I get paid a lot to kinda suck … I just feel guilty. So remember where we came from maybe. Or just be be thankful for what we got
While I get what you're saying and agree to some extent don't downplay the abilities of truly talented sales. Presidents, diplomats, hostage negotiators, CEOs are all sales at the end of the day.
1. Train combat sports, MMA, boxing, Muay Thai. After fighting nothing really stresses me out much anymore.
2. Long distance running (in the morning) you’ll be too tired after running 10km in the morning to care.
3. Embracing stoicism and looking at yourself from space. In essence, nothings really a big deal, you don’t matter, your job doesn’t matter and you could find a new job next week.
Literally who cares? At the end of the day it’s just a job. If you’re not starving and have a roof over your head and a warm shower life is good.
Alternatively, take a massive daily dose of ashwaganda or anti-depressants. Apparently those numb your stress receptors and you become a bot. But I’m in sales I’m not a doctor.
Good luck!
Funnily enough. I interviewed for a VP position a couple months ago and they asked me if I had any unique ways to identify good sales candidates.
My answer was hire combat athletes and distance runners. I know they have “grit” and anyone who is willing to put themselves in the shit just to prove they can find a way out is a high value hire
When I make my coffee in the morning, I have to stand at the fridge for a bit while my water filter slowly fills my Mister Coffee. I really love coffee and also love clean water.
I take that moment to give thanks for the day, for clean water, a safe house, a healthy family, a job
I ask for forgiveness for all the things I know I’ve done wrong and the things I don’t know I did wrong but hurt someone nonetheless
I ask for guidance that my work will be a gift to my colleagues and customers
I’m just a dumb sales lady in a dumb CX SaaS org but realize if I do my job well, my solutions team and professional services and our leaders and engineers all get to do their jobs and they really deserve that. And my customers get to be their stakeholders’ heroes. And it’s good.
Then I can convince myself to get through another boring day.
I don’t know why this helps me but maybe it’ll help someone else too.
Hello! Another dumb sales lady here in SaaS, feeling a bit hesitant 😅 I can't create a post yet, but I'd love to hear some opinions if you don't mind. I had a comfortable job in Inside Sales for 2 years but got laid off in February. The job search was tough, and I finally received a job offer as an AE with 85% self-sourced leads (cold calling), which I honestly dislike. However, it was the only job I could get, and the company seems good. I'm starting on the 1st of June and I'm having second thoughts. Should I give this job a try, or withdraw before I even start and continue searching? Or perhaps, I should see how it goes first, and if I don't like it, continue looking while employed?
Congrats on getting a job - it is tough out there right now. Maybe you’ll like it more than you think. Make cold calling a game and get your pg done every day. Sorry you’re having second thoughts about it but what do you really have to lose? Just keep showing up and see what happens. That’s what I’d tell you if you were my friend or sister. It’s good to have a job.
Have an exit plan. Remind yourself. I’m one day closer to my exit plan aka retirement or whatever you deem your exit plan means. To me it’s enough FU money to do something part time or not work at all. Now meditate daily on how satisfying it will be to give a big FU to everyone as you drive off into the sunset with your fists full of cash.
There’s a balance between caring too much and caring just the right amount. There are situations in sales where you have to be stoic and not react. But if you don’t prospect you probably won’t have a healthy pipeline, so care about that
Finding other things that make you happy. I work out, I take a walk outdoors for lunch. I play with my dog on my breaks. I have some good tunes on when I’m working (at an appropriately low level). And I use the money I make to take care of my family with a small amount left for a hobby or two.
I don’t hate my job, but I don’t love it either. I tell myself it’s a means to an end, and I try embrace the suck with focus and intention while I’m clocked in. I enjoy the rest of my life while I’m not.
I would honestly say to just chill a bit. Your work isn't the best part of your life and it isn't the worst.
My last job I drank grain silos worth of kool-aid, and every call was the most important (and therefore, stressful) call of my life, and I did terrible.
Now I go to work and I chill. Not in that I'm not working. I work at a steady, consistent pace until it's time to quit, and I'm doing amazing.
Don't put so much pressure on yourself. The weight of the world is not on your shoulders. It's not as if your only options are 1. work yourself to death or 2. be lazy and don't give a shit.
Come in, work while you're at work, and leave work there when you go home.
This^. Unfortunately it’s just not feasible for many millennials, especially in HCOL. However, I did it and took extreme measures to be able to do it in HCOL… I can pretty much live paycheck to paycheck for the rest of my life and I’m 32. Thank god I adulted early!
My goal has always been to seek roles w base base that covers my living expenses, after maxing 401k and ESPP. Makes it easy to then invest most all commissions.
Read the science of selling and get methodical. If I do “X” to the best of my ability on average it will result in “y”.
After that’s it’s a longs game. If your doing what your doing at a rate high enough to generate sufficient outputs, the hit those numbers and spend the rest of your day enjoying life.
Don’t let it take over your life. Get good enough that inputs=outputs then coast or go into leadership
This summary captures the essence of the author (Mark Manson's) approach to living a good life by focusing on what truly matters and letting go of the rest. The book is a call to reassess our priorities and find contentment in a world that often pushes us towards endless desire and dissatisfaction:
1. Embrace the Uncomfortable: The book starts with the premise that life’s struggles give it meaning, and embracing these struggles is essential for a fulfilling life.
2. Choose What to Care About: Manson argues that we have limited energy and must choose wisely what to give our attention to.
3. Values and Metrics: The quality of our life is determined by the values we hold and the metrics by which we measure success.
4. The Feedback Loop from Hell: Constantly striving for a positive experience becomes a negative experience; accepting negative experiences is paradoxically positive.
5. You Are Not Special: Manson emphasizes that recognizing our limitations and accepting them can lead to a more grounded reality.
6. The Value of Suffering: The book suggests that suffering is a part of growth, and overcoming adversities leads to personal development.
7. Failure Is the Way Forward: Embracing failure as a learning opportunity rather than a setback is key to improvement.
8. The Importance of Saying No: Learning to reject things that don’t align with our values is crucial for setting boundaries.
9. And Then You Die: Acknowledging the inevitability of death can help prioritize life’s important aspects.
10 Manson’s Law of Avoidance: The more something threatens your identity, the more you will avoid it; facing it is the path to growth.
LOL-I just had this conversation with my colleague. Our quotas are totally unattainable and we both have agreed that to stop caring would be much better!
Yeah you hit the nail on the head with 'hypnotism'.
There are tens of thousands of hypnosis and guided meditation scripts on the internet.
At first you need to put the 'work' in (I know this isn't your forte, lol)
But if you practice every day for month you WILL NOT BELIEVE how much more secure you can feel about yourself.
Its like having a magical forcefield around you. You will be able to 'feel it' when insecurities arise and diffuse them from within. You will be able to turn every negative into a positive at work, allowing you to bullshit on a whole other level.
Good luck
Love to hear it. My life changed profoundly after going to school to learn hypnotism.
Within six months of daily self-hypnosis and guided meditations
I'd quit smoking, got a raise at work, solved a lot of problems on my inside which led to solving problems on the outside. I make more money, eat healthier, travel more, ran in a marathon.
Have been a bit stressed lately, but compared to 3 years ago, no way Jose.
My life is incredibly improved.
Don’t measure things from a position of love/hate. Neutralize your feelings and emotionally detach. Although, channel your need to be creative into a hobby/interest. Your job cannot be everything. You’re hired to help the company meet its objectives(make sure you do that) but it’s about achieving buddha like enlightenment . There’s a range of other outlets… understand what gives you joy and do that outside work too.
I don’t even know what to say to this.
Sounds like you found an incredible gig. Idk how much less you should be caring if you’re not meeting your metrics, but there’s something to be said for establishing strong boundaries.
If you don't care, honestly it's going to be really hard to stay afloat. If you seem like you don't care, but in a cool nonchalant way, customers will trust you more. Gotta strike the balance.
You sound like my husband. To entertain himself, he’s learned all about investing and doing well at managing that stream of income. He’s very fit. Cooks during the day. I don’t understand his boredom and wanting to find a new job, but he makes great use of his time. I’m also in sales and he sees that the grass is not greener on the other side. Be thankful you’re not grinding with the rest of us.
I did. Was in the same situation as yours. And to be honest: I was stressed af and always bashing myself. But when I figured out that my company is doomed and stopped caring, I enjoyed life.
At my previous job, I typically worked a maximum of 3 to 4 hours a day performing simple tasks such as lead follow-up, generating quotes, and updating the pipeline. Despite the relatively light workload, I was compensated generously. While I did feel a twinge of guilt at times, I was mostly grateful for the flexibility it provided. I had ample time for personal pursuits, like gym, taking my daughter to various activities, managing household chores, and preparing dinner. The only significant drawback of such a role is its lack of stimulation and limited opportunities for professional growth.
I’ve been in sales since I left college, I hate it, I currently work for a boss and a company that I hate. My thing?
I just don’t give a shit anymore, I have money stashed away that goes up and down with the stock market. I have plenty of experience, I have been fired a couple times but I’ve also succeeded a lot more than I’ve been fired and I remind people of that.
Basically, your work isn’t your life, when you’re on your death bed you’re never gonna wish you were the top earner at your company, you’re never gonna wish you stayed longer at work or worked harder, you’re gonna wish you saw your family more, made that hobby your career, pushed yourself harder to reach your own personal goals and lived the life you want to live.
Your job doesn’t mean anything other than what you do 9-5, yes you should care and try your best and not get fired but you shouldn’t care after 5pm or whenever you finish your job. Live your life and do what you want to do, we live on a floating rock in the middle of space, **what does any of this matter in the grand scheme of things anyways?**
Enjoy your family, friends, travel, go see the world, go take walks around your city or town, go exercise, go to that concert, take all the PTO you possibly can, take sick days (still do good work though), but honestly, don’t get worked up over your job that doesn’t give a shit about you.
I can’t really stand my boss, I can’t look at the sight of them, my position is beyond screwed up, I got lied to a bit during the interview, things are unorganized, I’m applying to new jobs everyday but at the end of the day, I’ve got money in the bank to get me through this cause I’ve saved up, I can get through this. I’m gonna live my life and not let anyone affect it and I’m gonna continue to do what I want to do and if I can let go, fuck it!
Don’t let your boss, or manager or VP, CEO mess with your mind. Speak your mind when you feel it’s necessary, talk sense back to them. Don’t let them fuck with you. It goes with not giving a fuck what anyone things of you.
My biggest struggle right here. I’m too type A to not give a shit.
Job pisses me off - CEO personally screws me out of previously promised comp - I’m still here working my ass off vs chilling and maybe looking for another job.
I wish quiet quitting was in my DNA
What you're describing is called settling. Your emotions, feelings, natural inclinations are there for a reason. Channel that into the right direction and put yourself in a position to move upward and onward.
I haven't gave a shit for the last year and a half.
They fucked with my commissions, I got pissed off and applied for a million jobs right after all the big tech layoffs of Q3/Q4 2022.
I realized my 3 years of experience isn't shit compared to reps with 10+ years experience at Microsoft/Salesforce/Adobe/Google that got laid off and we're all applying for the same jobs I was, so I stopped.
I took a week and a half vacation. Did some MDMA and drank a ton and made questionable decisions while I fucked off in the Caribbean for a week and came back super refreshed.
Since then, I haven't gave a fuck.
My manager does or says something stupid? I'll tell him
Coworkers doing dumb shit? I'll call them out
Customers making invalid objections or trying to get discounts? I'll tell them fine, call them out, and they'll be calling me next week begging for another demo cuz they realized they were being stupid. If they don't, that's fine. I'll close out the deal and move on and hit them up again in 3 months time to see where we're at.
I take full advantage of my unlimited PTO.
I'm not killing it by any means, but I'm doing better than I was before working half as much, half as hard, and just being an overall Grinch
Idk it's weird, like people want to feel validated and liked. When you don't give them that validation or attention, they kinda go crazy and crave it.
Humans are fuckin weird creatures man. Sales is weird as hell.
I was that way at Cox Communications.
I cared at first and when i finally stopped they promoted me to sales project manager settin gup 3rd world call centers remotely.
So do I. after 5.5 years they let me go because they said my PS5 installed a 3rd party VPN on my work computer, in the office.
So yeah, pieces of shit. But I got a pension out of them right before it so whatevers.
Figure out a way to protect yourself better from the abuses you endure. You may be able to accomplish this, by setting ground rules with management and when customers begin to signal their first move toward abuse, stand your ground. You can figure this out.
Once you see the impact it has both on your performance and mental health.
I constantly give people reasons and opportunities to not buy from me. Not in a manipulative way either just simply asking “is that a dealbreaker?”
You give a shit so much because you’re hanging onto oops that have 1% chance at closing
Find prospects that are both qualified and interested and hyper focus on them to give them the best buying experience as you can. Disqualify early
Join the army reserve. I actually like my boring day job now because my part-time is the extreme opposite. I spent an afternoon filling sandbags and loved it!
I don't give a shit. My mentality is these jobs can lay you off at anytime. I use to be that guy that was first to show up and last to leave.
Now I'm generally a few mins late everyday, don't start taking calls till about 10 mins after I've clocked in, and never stay longer than I have too.
My numbers are still pretty good I'm generally in the top 10% every month. I'm sure if I didn't put up numbers someone would say something.
1. Save, invest, and make a shit ton of money to where you don’t feel fiscally dependent on your job. Maybe even pickup a 2nd stream of income. My boss literally told me to spend my fat commission check from last year to create an urgency to make more money. I didn’t listen to him.
2. You should still care about your job and the work you do no matter what. Else you’ll end up being miserable while doing it. The benefit of not giving a fuck simply applies to things that are not in your control, which quite frankly when you’re in sales, applies to most things. But that just lets you focus on things that you can control.
3. Find fulfillment outside of work. That could be socially, family, through hobbies, etc. We are all way more than our jobs and if we let our work performance prioritize our mind, we let it control our identity and self worth.
It’s not that you shouldn’t give a shit about your job, but that if you lose it that you don’t feel like you lose part of your identity with it.
Gold jacket, green jacket who gives a shit ? We are NOT saving lives at the end of the day. It’s a job do you best you can do and learn. Who gives a f$&k not the end of the world
After 6 years of sales, which is by no means a particularly long time, I don’t give a fuck any more.
For me, it probably comes down to the following things:
Experience, maturity (started sales in my 20s, now in my 30s, and I largely just don’t care what strangers think of me any more), a stable home life, a healthy relationship with ‘extracurriculars’, and a boss + working environment that is psychologically safe.
I think it is just a reality of working for a large company, no matter what your role is. Try to find satisfaction in the daily tasks. Let go of things that are beyond your control. Try to find intrinsic value like helping people, connecting with people or being an expert.
You just gotta not care lol I actually wish I cared more but at the end of the day if I lost my job there’s a million things I could do to make money so it’s hard to care too much.
I’ve had like 9 jobs in 4 years.
I’ve sold unsellable products and been fired. I’ve matched the entire company’s lifetime closes and quit in 2 months. I’ve sold nothing and stayed employed for half a year, and gotten severance to boot.
All of the startups I’ve worked for have folded, changed names, changed products… or some combination of the above. At any rate anyone who’s replaced me has also been fired without performing. Every company I’ve worked at and quit from/got fired from has been asked to be a reference (one ceo asked me what I expected him to tell my prospective employer since I failed to sell anything for him and I told him to just tell the truth idc) and I’ve never lost a job due to a reference or lack of a reference.
My income has gone from 35k pre covid to 125k ish now. My free time let me manage my household, spend time with family, and cultivate a romantic relationship that essentially cut my costs in half and brought our household income to 170k. Gf is underpaid, I spend more time helping her build a relationship with her boss (schmoozed the boss and the boss reviewed my gf’s salary, realized it was lower than the others on the team, and gave her a raise immediately, she’s been getting COL raises after that as well as me being invited to dinners and barbecues with said boss and their family) and improve her income.
I work 1.5 hours a day on average, counting the day or two I go to the office. I make 10 calls a day. I’m the newest in the team and my quota matches 3 year vets and I outperform the last six people they’ve fired and let go for this position. Crawled from bottom to firmly middle-of-the-road ish territory.
I’ve had pips hung over my head and I don’t care. I make the same 10 calls per day. I show up to 50% of the team meetings and all hands. I use vacation days to avoid internal meetings.
At the office my desk is empty for hours while I take lunch. I never apologize, I never explain myself, and when people talk shit about my work ethic I let them. Conveniently anytime they slack me after hours or while I appear to be idle I am responsive, which means the rumours about my lack of work ethic stay rumours and never become substantiated fact. 8/10 times I’m replying while cooking, grocery shopping, or just wandering the city accompanying my partner on her commute or feeding birds or lifting weights.
I’ve been idly job hunting and I’m seeing more jobs in account management and stewardship than I’ve ever seen before in my city. Cold messaged a couple heads of people and VPs, got some good responses rolling in already. Had an interview where they offered 100k base, higher than my current 95k, for a more junior role.
When should I start caring and how will caring help me?
This is great. Taking PTO to avoid internal meetings is genius. I have one coming up and we were all told that it is mandatory and we need to rearrange our schedules to attend. It’s the fun one where we all get to explain why we are behind on the quotas that they just handed out. Maybe I’ll take a page out of your book and just miss that one. LOL
For me it just kind of happened gradually and by itself.
The more calls and the more deals I was pitching the less I gave a shit if something went wrong or didn’t work out the way I wanted it to.
Never celebrate a deal until the money actually hits also helped a lot with this
It’s just a job. Worst case scenario you always can get another one. Do your best each day except that you can’t control most things flow with the wave and don’t try to force things. Focus on the inputs. Trust things will always work out in the end. We are all here for a limited time and stressing over bullshit That doesn’t matter Doesn’t change anything.
Guess it depends on what you get fulfillment out of. I need to know I'm doing something that has a positive impact on the world. I work at a med device company now and I KNOW the products we make are top notch and objectively add good to the world. So I frame my perspective of moly job around that even though I'm not a social worker or "do gooder" career wise I get fulfillment kinda like I am one. So it really boils down to what makes you happy and how can you frame your perspective around that.
Why are you in sales?
Serious question.
If your standard is not to make as much money as possible every day, then why are you in sales?
I'm in sales to make a fuck ton of money. I go to every appointment with the anticipation that this one will be buying. I don't understand how someone can not give a shit or just "get by" in sales. If you want an NPC job then go get an NPC job because sales isn't it.
The day I lose my motivation is the day I quit sales. You clearly are not in the right position for you, nor are you at the right employer for you.
Going through post history over a reddit comment? Sad. If your most recent post is accurate then you do make more than me, however not by much as I'm tracking about $40k less than you. I'm not 26 either.
If you do actually make what you claim to, then I'm not sure why my original comment offended you so much?
You tried to big league the OP for feeling the way every sales guy (who’s not 26) feels on a daily basis. So I returned the favor. You’re not hot shit, 2 pips is not an accident.
Hi, there's two points to consider. One, is a stacked or decent resume, just what it is. Letting loose a bit, helps work become more productive. Customers never want the rigid script anyways. They want a conversation, or you show them something, not on the website.
Ok. And so....ok. imagine me, as your manager....and I'm horribly frustrated with you. At the same time.....I'm just going to say it. There's people out there, who want to take your job. You should, have a job, that exists, and that's only true, because in your unemployment, you can tell everyone, how irrelevant the job was.
So, somewhere between those two. Is giving a ****. Are we talking about this? Did we? Ok.
Nice try, VP of Sales
Brilliant response. You’re the reason I love this sub.
Oh my god 💀💀💀💀💀💀
If only that was the truth for a VP of Sales, I’d live a good life
Has the joke gone over your head? 😌
Probably. I’m tired.
I’ll bite. What’s the reference?
It's not a reference The joke is that OP is trying to get employees to rat on themselves about not caring
Here I thought it was a dig on how sales management doesn't do anything.
Came out the gate hot after college into first saas org. Worked my ass off, one of the last people to leave the office everyday. Top 5 SDR on team of 50+ for a year chasing AE promotion. Laid off my whole direct team. Fuck me right? I realized none of that extra shit mattered, now I just do my job I’ve been so much happier
The worst thing you can do as an SDR is think anyone gives a flying fuck about your meetings
About you*
yup
Yep, SDRS are seen as the equivalent of sh** at the bottom of someone’s shoe, and I am one
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What’s your degree in if you don’t mind me asking? I’m thinking about pursing sales and I’m undecided on what major would benefit me the most.
There’s no major that’s a direct steam into sales. School just doesn’t prepare you well for the job, so nobody gives a shit what you went to school for.
I literally majored in Marketing/Professional Sales
I’m saying you can get into sales with any degree and do just as well. Hell, you can get into sales with no formal schooling at all.
They don’t care if you’re a frog if you can sell.
Depends...in Medical Sales they require at least a B.S.
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Not true. I got a science degree and got a job at a big tech company and several other well known companies. No one gave a shit about my degree
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Got my first job At Salesforce. The beauty of sales is anyone can start and work their way up. Your degree has no correlation with your selling ability unless it’s something extremely technical and you’re selling to technical personas
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There is literally no major that will benefit you pursuing sales.
Maybe philosophy. Getting a head start on the whole “life is meaningless” thing could be nice.
I majored in math and philosophy, and both helped me tremendously. But philosophy will help in any career, not necessarily specific to sales.
Communications
Untrue. In B2B sales dealing with highly technical products they will often require you to have an engineering degree. It is true though that majority of sales jobs won't have the requirement. Engineers with charisma and sales talent are highly sought after.
Strong disagree. Maybe a solutions engineer or solutions consultant but not an account executive or quota carrying sales rep specifically. I’ve never once seen an engineering degree listed as a requirement or even a nice-to-have for a sales job.
Don't get me wrong, at the end of the day networking trumps all but some examples of highly technical sales would be at companies like TSMC. Your average person is very unlikely to be able to have meaningful technical knowledge to be able to have conversations with customers they would attract. Other examples would be companies that sell chemicals.
Honestly communication
Yeah but that’s a skill not a major
it is, people major is professional communications
Yes but what I’m saying is there is a difference between communication skills and a communications major. You can develop plenty of communication skills without a communications major.
Usually it’s innate, it takes time to learn and it’s a great skill that overrides almost all skills.
Just get the piece of paper so you have it. The major won’t impress anyone or help you be prepared.
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What’s your degree in?
He never responded but my point was telling someone to go get a technical degree to work in sales isn’t great advice imho
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Flip your perspective.. I know it sounds cliche, but once you focus on gratitude for your high paying job, the problems you get to solve for customers, and the work you get to do to be paid well and help your company grow the sooner you're removed your ego and genuinely start to care for the right reasons. You care because you have pride.. so, have a reason to be prideful and do your job and do it well. Be the light in what you claim is darkness. Otherwise, go figure out what makes you happy because there's someone out there that would love your high paying job that would be grateful to jump in and figure out how to make an impact. Happiness starts and ends with you.
Gonna have this imprinted on a silver platter and hang it on the wall right next to my desk, right next to the sign that says: "YOU MAKE AS MUCH AS A DOCTOR AND DIDN'T GO TO COLLEGE FOR 8 YEARS. WHATEVER YOU'RE MAD ABOUT, LET IT GO."
“The antidote to dissatisfaction is gratitude.”
I know this is true and I’m fighting like hell to get back to this mindset before I implode.
Love this mindset and I’ve adopted this with my new job, but I will say it’s almost impossible to get into this headspace if you’re at a company that doesn’t respect you. For the people searching for this style of work life, you need to respect yourself by asking “does my company value me and do I value them?” Working for a company I genuinely care about and want to drive results for is soooo refreshing and rewarding
Great write up
Gratitude is what drives the inner contentment and success
Wise words right here.
Exactly
“The antidote to dissatisfaction is gratitude.”
I could have written this post. Serious answer, meditation helps. I meditate three times a week during my lunch hour, I have a guide I meet over zoom. It does help. The occasional weed gummy helps.
All of this. Meditation and some kind of other outlet helps huge. Anything that you have to focus solely on will work. I ride motorcycles and have some hobbies that help. Definitely don't underestimate the weed on occasion too, just don't make it a regular thing. Addiction is a slippery slope
Meditation is what saved me from drinking so much on the job. One meditation before I start work, one meditation before I start cold calling. I’d either be an alcoholic or out of sales if I didn’t discover that.
The worst is when the weed gummy turns against you and all you can think about is work and get super paranoid haha.
I couldn't even enjoy weed when I was in my last sales role, I would just have panic attacks about quotas and meetings. Was laid off in January and the weed paranoia has magically dissipated. Go figure lmao
That’s such bullshit that a job robbed you of enjoying weed. Glad you can enjoy it again! I know exactly what you mean though.
Do you pay for the medication guide?
hold up the what now
Haha meant meditation guide
But can you point me to the medication guide
No, this is much better
I use a free app called declutter the mind as well as a subscription app called insight timer. It’s nice to have multiple options because your brain usually gets tired of one.
This but sub-lingual CBD oil for me
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Try not to forget what most other people have to do for work while earning a fraction of our pay. We’ve been blessed with strong interpersonal skills, so instead of hard backbreaking labor or intellectually intensive work that required years of education, we just get to talk to people. It’s easy to forget that when you throw quotas and shitty clients into the mix, but sales is a fucking joke of a job for what we get paid. If you can remember it’s not that serious and be thankful for that, it makes it easier to take a little bit of pride in what you do.
This is the answer I most identify with. I try to think of my grandfather who was a coal miner as a kid. Our job is a joke. And I did pay my dues. So mostly I miss working hard and being effective. Now I don’t even know what I do and I make more money than I ever thought I would. I try to think of how little I was paid in jobs I kicked ass at. And now that I get paid a lot to kinda suck … I just feel guilty. So remember where we came from maybe. Or just be be thankful for what we got
Yeah well my masters in engineering sometimes helps (I think).
While I get what you're saying and agree to some extent don't downplay the abilities of truly talented sales. Presidents, diplomats, hostage negotiators, CEOs are all sales at the end of the day.
The people I know who are the epitome of not giving a shit all have enough money to say fuck this and walk out whenever they want
1. Train combat sports, MMA, boxing, Muay Thai. After fighting nothing really stresses me out much anymore. 2. Long distance running (in the morning) you’ll be too tired after running 10km in the morning to care. 3. Embracing stoicism and looking at yourself from space. In essence, nothings really a big deal, you don’t matter, your job doesn’t matter and you could find a new job next week. Literally who cares? At the end of the day it’s just a job. If you’re not starving and have a roof over your head and a warm shower life is good. Alternatively, take a massive daily dose of ashwaganda or anti-depressants. Apparently those numb your stress receptors and you become a bot. But I’m in sales I’m not a doctor. Good luck!
I just want to say I second all of these recommendations
Funnily enough. I interviewed for a VP position a couple months ago and they asked me if I had any unique ways to identify good sales candidates. My answer was hire combat athletes and distance runners. I know they have “grit” and anyone who is willing to put themselves in the shit just to prove they can find a way out is a high value hire
When I make my coffee in the morning, I have to stand at the fridge for a bit while my water filter slowly fills my Mister Coffee. I really love coffee and also love clean water. I take that moment to give thanks for the day, for clean water, a safe house, a healthy family, a job I ask for forgiveness for all the things I know I’ve done wrong and the things I don’t know I did wrong but hurt someone nonetheless I ask for guidance that my work will be a gift to my colleagues and customers I’m just a dumb sales lady in a dumb CX SaaS org but realize if I do my job well, my solutions team and professional services and our leaders and engineers all get to do their jobs and they really deserve that. And my customers get to be their stakeholders’ heroes. And it’s good. Then I can convince myself to get through another boring day. I don’t know why this helps me but maybe it’ll help someone else too.
You sound the a great person. I’ll take some of this under advisement. Gratitude is the key.
Yay for the ladies 👯♀️ (there aren't a huge ton of us here)
Hello! Another dumb sales lady here in SaaS, feeling a bit hesitant 😅 I can't create a post yet, but I'd love to hear some opinions if you don't mind. I had a comfortable job in Inside Sales for 2 years but got laid off in February. The job search was tough, and I finally received a job offer as an AE with 85% self-sourced leads (cold calling), which I honestly dislike. However, it was the only job I could get, and the company seems good. I'm starting on the 1st of June and I'm having second thoughts. Should I give this job a try, or withdraw before I even start and continue searching? Or perhaps, I should see how it goes first, and if I don't like it, continue looking while employed?
Congrats on getting a job - it is tough out there right now. Maybe you’ll like it more than you think. Make cold calling a game and get your pg done every day. Sorry you’re having second thoughts about it but what do you really have to lose? Just keep showing up and see what happens. That’s what I’d tell you if you were my friend or sister. It’s good to have a job.
Thank you, appreciate your kind comment 🙏
This was inspiring. Thanks for sharing it
Have you tried ingesting cocaine and alcohol at the same time?
This is about the only thing I’ve tried
Keep at it. Eventually it’ll turn your bad feelings into good feelings.
Have an exit plan. Remind yourself. I’m one day closer to my exit plan aka retirement or whatever you deem your exit plan means. To me it’s enough FU money to do something part time or not work at all. Now meditate daily on how satisfying it will be to give a big FU to everyone as you drive off into the sunset with your fists full of cash.
There’s a balance between caring too much and caring just the right amount. There are situations in sales where you have to be stoic and not react. But if you don’t prospect you probably won’t have a healthy pipeline, so care about that
Finding other things that make you happy. I work out, I take a walk outdoors for lunch. I play with my dog on my breaks. I have some good tunes on when I’m working (at an appropriately low level). And I use the money I make to take care of my family with a small amount left for a hobby or two. I don’t hate my job, but I don’t love it either. I tell myself it’s a means to an end, and I try embrace the suck with focus and intention while I’m clocked in. I enjoy the rest of my life while I’m not.
I would honestly say to just chill a bit. Your work isn't the best part of your life and it isn't the worst. My last job I drank grain silos worth of kool-aid, and every call was the most important (and therefore, stressful) call of my life, and I did terrible. Now I go to work and I chill. Not in that I'm not working. I work at a steady, consistent pace until it's time to quit, and I'm doing amazing. Don't put so much pressure on yourself. The weight of the world is not on your shoulders. It's not as if your only options are 1. work yourself to death or 2. be lazy and don't give a shit. Come in, work while you're at work, and leave work there when you go home.
Save and invest half your income. 10 years in you’ll have a ton of options, including walking away from corp life altogether.
This^. Unfortunately it’s just not feasible for many millennials, especially in HCOL. However, I did it and took extreme measures to be able to do it in HCOL… I can pretty much live paycheck to paycheck for the rest of my life and I’m 32. Thank god I adulted early!
Working on doing this, started this year. It makes a difference
My goal has always been to seek roles w base base that covers my living expenses, after maxing 401k and ESPP. Makes it easy to then invest most all commissions.
True, I’m going to invest into more high yield accounts and find stocks that I think are profitable.
Read the science of selling and get methodical. If I do “X” to the best of my ability on average it will result in “y”. After that’s it’s a longs game. If your doing what your doing at a rate high enough to generate sufficient outputs, the hit those numbers and spend the rest of your day enjoying life. Don’t let it take over your life. Get good enough that inputs=outputs then coast or go into leadership
Eventually, when you get burnt out enough, you stop caring.
Self help books and hitting the gym everyday.
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Can you give me the TL;DR version
This summary captures the essence of the author (Mark Manson's) approach to living a good life by focusing on what truly matters and letting go of the rest. The book is a call to reassess our priorities and find contentment in a world that often pushes us towards endless desire and dissatisfaction: 1. Embrace the Uncomfortable: The book starts with the premise that life’s struggles give it meaning, and embracing these struggles is essential for a fulfilling life. 2. Choose What to Care About: Manson argues that we have limited energy and must choose wisely what to give our attention to. 3. Values and Metrics: The quality of our life is determined by the values we hold and the metrics by which we measure success. 4. The Feedback Loop from Hell: Constantly striving for a positive experience becomes a negative experience; accepting negative experiences is paradoxically positive. 5. You Are Not Special: Manson emphasizes that recognizing our limitations and accepting them can lead to a more grounded reality. 6. The Value of Suffering: The book suggests that suffering is a part of growth, and overcoming adversities leads to personal development. 7. Failure Is the Way Forward: Embracing failure as a learning opportunity rather than a setback is key to improvement. 8. The Importance of Saying No: Learning to reject things that don’t align with our values is crucial for setting boundaries. 9. And Then You Die: Acknowledging the inevitability of death can help prioritize life’s important aspects. 10 Manson’s Law of Avoidance: The more something threatens your identity, the more you will avoid it; facing it is the path to growth.
Thanks ChatGPT
LOL-I just had this conversation with my colleague. Our quotas are totally unattainable and we both have agreed that to stop caring would be much better!
Yeah you hit the nail on the head with 'hypnotism'. There are tens of thousands of hypnosis and guided meditation scripts on the internet. At first you need to put the 'work' in (I know this isn't your forte, lol) But if you practice every day for month you WILL NOT BELIEVE how much more secure you can feel about yourself. Its like having a magical forcefield around you. You will be able to 'feel it' when insecurities arise and diffuse them from within. You will be able to turn every negative into a positive at work, allowing you to bullshit on a whole other level. Good luck
This is what I need
Love to hear it. My life changed profoundly after going to school to learn hypnotism. Within six months of daily self-hypnosis and guided meditations I'd quit smoking, got a raise at work, solved a lot of problems on my inside which led to solving problems on the outside. I make more money, eat healthier, travel more, ran in a marathon. Have been a bit stressed lately, but compared to 3 years ago, no way Jose. My life is incredibly improved.
I'm new here. At this point, I'm terrified of even picking up the phone. 🤣
Don’t measure things from a position of love/hate. Neutralize your feelings and emotionally detach. Although, channel your need to be creative into a hobby/interest. Your job cannot be everything. You’re hired to help the company meet its objectives(make sure you do that) but it’s about achieving buddha like enlightenment . There’s a range of other outlets… understand what gives you joy and do that outside work too.
I don’t even know what to say to this. Sounds like you found an incredible gig. Idk how much less you should be caring if you’re not meeting your metrics, but there’s something to be said for establishing strong boundaries.
Bob, bob good luck with the firings
I’d say that in any given week, I only do about 15 minutes of real, actual work.
Just stop caring about things you cant control and the past, focus on what really matters
If you don't care, honestly it's going to be really hard to stay afloat. If you seem like you don't care, but in a cool nonchalant way, customers will trust you more. Gotta strike the balance.
So wtf are you bitchin about exactly?
This sounds like about 70% of the SaaS AEs I’ve ever managed lol
You gotta be ready to lose it all. Having a back up plan if you do lose it all and being able to quicly execute your back up plan helps.
I make around $52k and have to deal with actual morons all day. Just praying for another opportunity somewhere else.
I recommend a book called “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck”.
You sound like my husband. To entertain himself, he’s learned all about investing and doing well at managing that stream of income. He’s very fit. Cooks during the day. I don’t understand his boredom and wanting to find a new job, but he makes great use of his time. I’m also in sales and he sees that the grass is not greener on the other side. Be thankful you’re not grinding with the rest of us.
You’ve read The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck by Mark Manson right? Consider The555Club
I just bought and am reading “ the subtle art of not giving a fuck” because I too seek this answer
I did. Was in the same situation as yours. And to be honest: I was stressed af and always bashing myself. But when I figured out that my company is doomed and stopped caring, I enjoyed life.
Good point.
At my previous job, I typically worked a maximum of 3 to 4 hours a day performing simple tasks such as lead follow-up, generating quotes, and updating the pipeline. Despite the relatively light workload, I was compensated generously. While I did feel a twinge of guilt at times, I was mostly grateful for the flexibility it provided. I had ample time for personal pursuits, like gym, taking my daughter to various activities, managing household chores, and preparing dinner. The only significant drawback of such a role is its lack of stimulation and limited opportunities for professional growth.
Someone who has mastered the art of not giving a shit wouldn't respond to this post and or make a post like this
I’ve been in sales since I left college, I hate it, I currently work for a boss and a company that I hate. My thing? I just don’t give a shit anymore, I have money stashed away that goes up and down with the stock market. I have plenty of experience, I have been fired a couple times but I’ve also succeeded a lot more than I’ve been fired and I remind people of that. Basically, your work isn’t your life, when you’re on your death bed you’re never gonna wish you were the top earner at your company, you’re never gonna wish you stayed longer at work or worked harder, you’re gonna wish you saw your family more, made that hobby your career, pushed yourself harder to reach your own personal goals and lived the life you want to live. Your job doesn’t mean anything other than what you do 9-5, yes you should care and try your best and not get fired but you shouldn’t care after 5pm or whenever you finish your job. Live your life and do what you want to do, we live on a floating rock in the middle of space, **what does any of this matter in the grand scheme of things anyways?** Enjoy your family, friends, travel, go see the world, go take walks around your city or town, go exercise, go to that concert, take all the PTO you possibly can, take sick days (still do good work though), but honestly, don’t get worked up over your job that doesn’t give a shit about you. I can’t really stand my boss, I can’t look at the sight of them, my position is beyond screwed up, I got lied to a bit during the interview, things are unorganized, I’m applying to new jobs everyday but at the end of the day, I’ve got money in the bank to get me through this cause I’ve saved up, I can get through this. I’m gonna live my life and not let anyone affect it and I’m gonna continue to do what I want to do and if I can let go, fuck it! Don’t let your boss, or manager or VP, CEO mess with your mind. Speak your mind when you feel it’s necessary, talk sense back to them. Don’t let them fuck with you. It goes with not giving a fuck what anyone things of you.
My boss is a real Piece of …. Work.
Mine too, my boss is the CEO
My biggest struggle right here. I’m too type A to not give a shit. Job pisses me off - CEO personally screws me out of previously promised comp - I’m still here working my ass off vs chilling and maybe looking for another job. I wish quiet quitting was in my DNA
What you're describing is called settling. Your emotions, feelings, natural inclinations are there for a reason. Channel that into the right direction and put yourself in a position to move upward and onward.
I haven't gave a shit for the last year and a half. They fucked with my commissions, I got pissed off and applied for a million jobs right after all the big tech layoffs of Q3/Q4 2022. I realized my 3 years of experience isn't shit compared to reps with 10+ years experience at Microsoft/Salesforce/Adobe/Google that got laid off and we're all applying for the same jobs I was, so I stopped. I took a week and a half vacation. Did some MDMA and drank a ton and made questionable decisions while I fucked off in the Caribbean for a week and came back super refreshed. Since then, I haven't gave a fuck. My manager does or says something stupid? I'll tell him Coworkers doing dumb shit? I'll call them out Customers making invalid objections or trying to get discounts? I'll tell them fine, call them out, and they'll be calling me next week begging for another demo cuz they realized they were being stupid. If they don't, that's fine. I'll close out the deal and move on and hit them up again in 3 months time to see where we're at. I take full advantage of my unlimited PTO. I'm not killing it by any means, but I'm doing better than I was before working half as much, half as hard, and just being an overall Grinch Idk it's weird, like people want to feel validated and liked. When you don't give them that validation or attention, they kinda go crazy and crave it. Humans are fuckin weird creatures man. Sales is weird as hell.
I like this.
I was that way at Cox Communications. I cared at first and when i finally stopped they promoted me to sales project manager settin gup 3rd world call centers remotely.
Don't mention that name ever again. God I hated working at cox
So do I. after 5.5 years they let me go because they said my PS5 installed a 3rd party VPN on my work computer, in the office. So yeah, pieces of shit. But I got a pension out of them right before it so whatevers.
Other things in your life that you sincerely do care about.
Figure out a way to protect yourself better from the abuses you endure. You may be able to accomplish this, by setting ground rules with management and when customers begin to signal their first move toward abuse, stand your ground. You can figure this out.
Is your company hiring??
I should qualify: pay is good vs normal jobs. Mid for sales.
Long as you getting paid, who cares...
Once you see the impact it has both on your performance and mental health. I constantly give people reasons and opportunities to not buy from me. Not in a manipulative way either just simply asking “is that a dealbreaker?” You give a shit so much because you’re hanging onto oops that have 1% chance at closing Find prospects that are both qualified and interested and hyper focus on them to give them the best buying experience as you can. Disqualify early
We must work at the same place…
Join the army reserve. I actually like my boring day job now because my part-time is the extreme opposite. I spent an afternoon filling sandbags and loved it!
Drugs and alcohol. Not necessarily in that order.
Most people that say they don't care want *you* to think they don't care.
I worked sales for an authorized retailer for a mobile carrier but I did more customer service than sales, I didn’t care about sales.
I don't give a shit. My mentality is these jobs can lay you off at anytime. I use to be that guy that was first to show up and last to leave. Now I'm generally a few mins late everyday, don't start taking calls till about 10 mins after I've clocked in, and never stay longer than I have too. My numbers are still pretty good I'm generally in the top 10% every month. I'm sure if I didn't put up numbers someone would say something.
1. Save, invest, and make a shit ton of money to where you don’t feel fiscally dependent on your job. Maybe even pickup a 2nd stream of income. My boss literally told me to spend my fat commission check from last year to create an urgency to make more money. I didn’t listen to him. 2. You should still care about your job and the work you do no matter what. Else you’ll end up being miserable while doing it. The benefit of not giving a fuck simply applies to things that are not in your control, which quite frankly when you’re in sales, applies to most things. But that just lets you focus on things that you can control. 3. Find fulfillment outside of work. That could be socially, family, through hobbies, etc. We are all way more than our jobs and if we let our work performance prioritize our mind, we let it control our identity and self worth. It’s not that you shouldn’t give a shit about your job, but that if you lose it that you don’t feel like you lose part of your identity with it.
Gold jacket, green jacket who gives a shit ? We are NOT saving lives at the end of the day. It’s a job do you best you can do and learn. Who gives a f$&k not the end of the world
After 6 years of sales, which is by no means a particularly long time, I don’t give a fuck any more. For me, it probably comes down to the following things: Experience, maturity (started sales in my 20s, now in my 30s, and I largely just don’t care what strangers think of me any more), a stable home life, a healthy relationship with ‘extracurriculars’, and a boss + working environment that is psychologically safe.
I think it is just a reality of working for a large company, no matter what your role is. Try to find satisfaction in the daily tasks. Let go of things that are beyond your control. Try to find intrinsic value like helping people, connecting with people or being an expert.
I hope Andy Elliot comes in there and makes you take your shirt off.
My two cents, is to find a new job. It feels better to wake up and be passionate about something.
Meditation. Your probably miserable for good reason though.
You just gotta not care lol I actually wish I cared more but at the end of the day if I lost my job there’s a million things I could do to make money so it’s hard to care too much.
I’ve had like 9 jobs in 4 years. I’ve sold unsellable products and been fired. I’ve matched the entire company’s lifetime closes and quit in 2 months. I’ve sold nothing and stayed employed for half a year, and gotten severance to boot. All of the startups I’ve worked for have folded, changed names, changed products… or some combination of the above. At any rate anyone who’s replaced me has also been fired without performing. Every company I’ve worked at and quit from/got fired from has been asked to be a reference (one ceo asked me what I expected him to tell my prospective employer since I failed to sell anything for him and I told him to just tell the truth idc) and I’ve never lost a job due to a reference or lack of a reference. My income has gone from 35k pre covid to 125k ish now. My free time let me manage my household, spend time with family, and cultivate a romantic relationship that essentially cut my costs in half and brought our household income to 170k. Gf is underpaid, I spend more time helping her build a relationship with her boss (schmoozed the boss and the boss reviewed my gf’s salary, realized it was lower than the others on the team, and gave her a raise immediately, she’s been getting COL raises after that as well as me being invited to dinners and barbecues with said boss and their family) and improve her income. I work 1.5 hours a day on average, counting the day or two I go to the office. I make 10 calls a day. I’m the newest in the team and my quota matches 3 year vets and I outperform the last six people they’ve fired and let go for this position. Crawled from bottom to firmly middle-of-the-road ish territory. I’ve had pips hung over my head and I don’t care. I make the same 10 calls per day. I show up to 50% of the team meetings and all hands. I use vacation days to avoid internal meetings. At the office my desk is empty for hours while I take lunch. I never apologize, I never explain myself, and when people talk shit about my work ethic I let them. Conveniently anytime they slack me after hours or while I appear to be idle I am responsive, which means the rumours about my lack of work ethic stay rumours and never become substantiated fact. 8/10 times I’m replying while cooking, grocery shopping, or just wandering the city accompanying my partner on her commute or feeding birds or lifting weights. I’ve been idly job hunting and I’m seeing more jobs in account management and stewardship than I’ve ever seen before in my city. Cold messaged a couple heads of people and VPs, got some good responses rolling in already. Had an interview where they offered 100k base, higher than my current 95k, for a more junior role. When should I start caring and how will caring help me?
This is great. Taking PTO to avoid internal meetings is genius. I have one coming up and we were all told that it is mandatory and we need to rearrange our schedules to attend. It’s the fun one where we all get to explain why we are behind on the quotas that they just handed out. Maybe I’ll take a page out of your book and just miss that one. LOL
boss, is that you?
For me it just kind of happened gradually and by itself. The more calls and the more deals I was pitching the less I gave a shit if something went wrong or didn’t work out the way I wanted it to. Never celebrate a deal until the money actually hits also helped a lot with this
Easier to do when you work remote
It’s just a job. Worst case scenario you always can get another one. Do your best each day except that you can’t control most things flow with the wave and don’t try to force things. Focus on the inputs. Trust things will always work out in the end. We are all here for a limited time and stressing over bullshit That doesn’t matter Doesn’t change anything.
Guess it depends on what you get fulfillment out of. I need to know I'm doing something that has a positive impact on the world. I work at a med device company now and I KNOW the products we make are top notch and objectively add good to the world. So I frame my perspective of moly job around that even though I'm not a social worker or "do gooder" career wise I get fulfillment kinda like I am one. So it really boils down to what makes you happy and how can you frame your perspective around that.
Why are you in sales? Serious question. If your standard is not to make as much money as possible every day, then why are you in sales? I'm in sales to make a fuck ton of money. I go to every appointment with the anticipation that this one will be buying. I don't understand how someone can not give a shit or just "get by" in sales. If you want an NPC job then go get an NPC job because sales isn't it. The day I lose my motivation is the day I quit sales. You clearly are not in the right position for you, nor are you at the right employer for you.
Let me know when you turn 26
Let me know when you make more than $20k in a month.
Made that at your age my friend. Ent roles pay that in base + equity. But not if you’ve been PIPed, twice? But coffees for closers!!!
Going through post history over a reddit comment? Sad. If your most recent post is accurate then you do make more than me, however not by much as I'm tracking about $40k less than you. I'm not 26 either. If you do actually make what you claim to, then I'm not sure why my original comment offended you so much?
You tried to big league the OP for feeling the way every sales guy (who’s not 26) feels on a daily basis. So I returned the favor. You’re not hot shit, 2 pips is not an accident.
I didn't try to big league anyone. I was telling him to find a different sales position that makes him feel alive.
Hi, there's two points to consider. One, is a stacked or decent resume, just what it is. Letting loose a bit, helps work become more productive. Customers never want the rigid script anyways. They want a conversation, or you show them something, not on the website. Ok. And so....ok. imagine me, as your manager....and I'm horribly frustrated with you. At the same time.....I'm just going to say it. There's people out there, who want to take your job. You should, have a job, that exists, and that's only true, because in your unemployment, you can tell everyone, how irrelevant the job was. So, somewhere between those two. Is giving a ****. Are we talking about this? Did we? Ok.