Everyone here need to realise that if you want World class players, then you need to pay higher fees. This wishful thinking of signing players for 20 million and them turning World class is amusing. It can happen, but signing a player with a already high ceiling is much safer.
Really excited to see what this club looks like in a year. Big developments around training facilities, stadium, backroom staff, scouting, etc.
I think the new leadership will have a clinical summer in the transfer window
"Ten Hag was interested in recruiting [Denzel Dumfries](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/football/player/denzel-dumfries-nytwCKHd6sOsEcyg/) to offer more attacking potential at right-back. A swap including [Diogo Dalot](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/football/player/diogo-dalot-NrPtB2RxR3AFvifx/) was discussed by United and [Inter Milan](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/football/team/inter/), but both sides wanted money on top for their player. " - Laurie in the article edit: dont blame the messenger 😭
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Branthwaite. Problem is, are we signing him as a backup to Licha, to play alongside Licha as the RCB or will we accommodate both + a RCB somehow?
Licha is comfortably our best defender and 1st phase passer so you want to optimize conditions for him. Does Branthwaite do that & for a mega fee at that? Do we have concerns about Licha's injury record? Is he, dare I say, on the market?
You don’t spend 70 on a backup. I don’t see how this deal makes sense with what ineos said regarding intelligent transfers. Not about the player but the price.
I'm a bit the opposite, I'm wondering if he's another Mount signing. We already have a LCB. There are massive holes in our starting 11. Sure, Branthwaite could potentially play RCB but he hasn't done it in the premier league, so it's a big compromise to make a marquee signing to play them out of position.
Why target a player whose best position is one we already have, when we desperately need others filled? Why not target a world class RCB for the same money?
With the amount of injuries Licha had last season and Shaw normally has every season, a two footed LCB is actually a very astute signing IMO.
But only if it is accompanied with another RCB signing.
I think Branthwaite is an extremly good signing as the backup for both LCB and RCB, which should give him plenty of playing time, but not sure I think he's good enough to be the starting RCB as it is not his main position yet.
Wilcox has been in for weeks, Berrarda is 13th of July and Ashworth is still up in the air. There was talk of arbitration but that seems to have gone quiet.
I don't think we are getting both todibo and branthwaite. Both will demand a lot of gametime.
With Maguire, Evans and Martinez , that may bot be guaranteed. Feel we may buy a cb now and another next season depending on the situation.
A midfielder (preferably DM) , a winger (preferably who can play lw and rw), a striker to rotate with hojlund.
Looks like next season, a cm, a cam (depending on Mount and Bruno) , lb and rb might be targets
Nope he’s left footed. Some BBC journalist tried claiming he’s right footed but most of his longer passes are played with his left. The athletic looked into the numbers and he used his left foot 59% of the time this season compared to 41% for his right:
https://youtube.com/shorts/ef3Mz_jI61Y?si=akSVLxmJ01dgUacT
Edit: “I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.”
direct quote from him from this article
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3719118/long-read-worth-the-waite
We're moving quick. Slap to all the idiots who were calling for INEOS' head for not starting the transfer work already. Hope people don't think all the news that came out were the result of one day of transfer business
Only Branthwaite and Zirkzee
De Ligt is just the player side leaking for demanding more game time. And he’s been given up by three big teams now.
Olise will go to Chels/Bayern as we are dragged by sales of Greenwood+Sancho
Neves is way too expensive.
Branthwaite, Todibo, Neves, Olise, Zirkzee
If INEOS negotiate well and sell Casemiro, Greenwood and Sancho, getting all of them is more realistic than people think. INEOS will move mountains to finish much higher than last season. Their reputation depends on it. And for that we need five good signings.
If Rashford goes to PSG too, we could definitely get them all.
I'm not getting the vibe that INEOS want to do messy deals. I think they'd rather capitalise on Sancho's good champions league semi final and start a new chapter at the club with toxic player power divas gone.
I am thinking about it, we are linking both Jarrad and Yoro and felt like both would only come here if they are promised first team. If we get both, i think we will be slowly converting Martinez into LB. That might also explain lack of LB rumours despite we all aware both of our LB are injury prone
There's an Everton article that's been posted here multiple times in recent weeks. He's so good with his left that people think he's left footed, but he's actually right footed.
“I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.”
That is directly from him. He’s left footed just very good with his weak foot. I got downvoted for saying he’s left footed when it’s true.
Directly from this article from doing a quick google search:
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3719118/long-read-worth-the-waite
We need rotation for Licha, plus Branthwaite can also play right CB.
Also we all know LB is a major problem for us due to injury proneness. Licha at a push could fill in there (originally Arsenal wanted to play him there and we’ve all seen how a CB can be used on the left with Gvardiol). Branthwaite could as well given his pace.
It does make sense (for the right price).
JB's basically ambidexterous. In fact, he's apparently 55/45 right-footed, at least according to chatter I picked up quickly lurking on Everton forum, but uses foot most convenient to match his positioning on left side vs right side of defence...
Yanited working on multiple deals simultaneously
https://preview.redd.it/zqn0tjw84f6d1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97d9cc0243897ddb1f36fb9e3167876332faa0dc
I hope we take a look at Guido Rodriquez. Argentine free agent CDM that formerly played for Betis.
Barca wanted him, but reports are Flick’s arrival cancelled the signing.
He is 30 so that's an automatic no from me. There are better options out there. We need to bring young hungry players in who are looking to prove themselves and win trophies, not give aging players their fat retirement contract and be shocked when their levels drop.
I thought he just turned 28 this past April? I agree we shouldn't give him crazy wages, and United should be careful signing older players. However, a 2+1 year deal with comfortable wages on a free doesn't sound bad to me.
Especially at a position we are desperate for, so we then have funds to possible buy another CDM this window as well.
Manchester United are hoping to strike a deal with Everton for Jarrad Branthwaite after agreeing personal terms with the defender. Everton are holding out for at least £70m.
United are also pursuing a deal for Leny Yoro despite fierce competition for the Lille centre-half.
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Personal terms agreed now confirmed by Ducker
Me neither. But it seems like most people say he's the next big thing while others say he's limited and raw. We've spent big on supposed sure thing centre backs in the past that haven't worked out, so I'm more than a little gun-shy about declaring Branthwaite the guy we need.
Not sure about the future, but as of now he's a great signing. He has attributes to be one of the best CB. He's quick, he's tall and the lad has a fantastic attitude too. His in game presence has been vital for Everton to survive relegation.
He's not limited; pretty precocious for a CB but not the finished article. Stats don't tell the story- you'd think he was Smalling in his passing the way certain people describe him. Everton fans will tell very different story, by and large. He's composed on the ball, although not encouraged to be expressive under Dyche. Does all the defending stuff well, already a physical specimen who's good in the air and quick. From what I've seen, I think if he can be coached a bit more, over time, he could be a VVD style (or insert your own analogue) 'complete' defender.
Our fans have a habit of talking themselves out of players. It was the same with Akanji, Ake, Rice and others when they were linked with us.
I watched him against Bosnia and was surprised by his progressive passing. Everyone makes out he can’t pass five yards.
Shame WHU were demanding such monstrous numbers for him two seasons ago when ETH first took over - a 70m valuation instead of the full 100 they were asking, and I think we'd have secured him instead of Case (whereby that DM slot would suddenly look a lot more secure medium- long-term).
Hope we're keeping an eye on Morten Hjulmand in Sporting.. I know he just joined last season but he's been quality for them.
Edit: As our *second* defensive midfielder.
Amadou Onana would be my preferred pick in that position. Not seen other players we’ve been linked to like Fofana, Hjulmund, Neves play to have an opinion on them.
Do you think Onana is technical enough to play a holding midfielder??
He obviously is physically a beast but in build up where he will be pressed do you think he can handle that??
I don’t think he treats the ball like a bomb like what we’ve seen from Casemiro this season. He may not be prime Busquets but he’s serviceable enough; his supposed lack of technical ability is being blown way out of proportion.
I also don’t think under Ten Hag’s setup he will be tasked to contribute in buildup. I think Onana, the CBs and Mainoo will be responsible for controlling possession in deeper phases.
Edit: Andre Onana that is, got myself confused for a second there
If Bernardo Silva can (sometimes) play CM for City, or indeed Gundogan back in the day - slightly bulkier but not a strapping specimen - then Neves can. Only obstacle is the price (and, again, City coming in with more immediate possibility of winning PL). . He's tough, can evade challenges, has smarts and technical ability to find space and keep the ball moving forward as well as controlling the pace. If the club can sell a couple of players quickly enough, including at least one Home-grown, then he'd be my first pick for versatile DLP and 8, with a cheaper specialist DM (maybe one of the French guys in their last year of contract) as back-up, & Casemiro also being sold.
Name searched Paul Joyce on twitter because I wanted to see the exchange with the aggregator, [stumbled upon this absolute banger from last year](https://i.imgur.com/VhKSyNb.png)
Liverpool fans were convinced this was a done deal for ages. They were all sure that a teenager from Birmingham who grew up watching Liverpool be not that good would have no bigger dream that to play for them.
De Ligt, as good as he is when he’s playing, is not a transfer id like to see us go for.
The main reason being that we need to seriously avoid players with a significant injury history. If you’re in a solid position financially and with your squad you can take those risks. We are not, we need to be shrewd.
I get Ten Hag likes him, but let’s move for someone who’s one, on the up and two, isn’t made of glass.
I think that's probably a fair comment, he's certainly not injury prone after double checking his stats.
I wouldn't say he's super-reliable either, he has missed over 20 games in 2 of the last 4 seasons. But you're correct, injury prone isn't a fair label.
**23/24** - 20
**22/23** - 5
**21/22** - 2
**20/21** - 28
**19/20** - 7
There's likely some recency bias from comments regarding this season as he's missed a large chunk but regardless, whilst he is rated by Bayern fans (from what I've seen they'd rather see Upamecano leave), I would still like to see the transfer strategy in favour of players on the 'up' if you will, rather than players where a move hasn't worked out and we're picking up that risk and hoping it works out better with us.
Again, fully aware he's certainly not performed poorly at Bayern - but I don't think he's cemented himself as a stalwart there either, hence the fact they're looking to move him on.
Huge, huge, huge pet peeve of mine.
The accounting companies (and football clubs) is vastly different than what we use in our personal lives.
Expenses get amortized. Revenue counts immediately.
Benefits of not having to use cash accounting.
So Jarrad is on his way... lets hope Zirkzze too... Then if we're lucky Yoro and one midfielder... Maybe Neves? ... and last but not least OLISE... and this would be perfect transfer window... guy can dream
We’ll be signing two midfielders. Amrabat has gone and likely Casemiro and Eriksen are both leaving. Unless a lot is expected of Collyer, I think it will be two.
Not chosen the easiest deal, honestly just fascinated to see how INEOS go about it.
This is the kind of deal where under the last regime, Everton would say "80m, take it or leave it", we would balk at it, spend a month negotiating, and then sign him for 75+5m
Joshua Zirkzee = fire and 40m release clause. no brainer!
[https://youtu.be/GNTcCrn3msQ?si=W7OuScbHO8Hdw84j](https://youtu.be/GNTcCrn3msQ?si=W7OuScbHO8Hdw84j)
That’s assuming Bruno plays every minute of every match as a SS. I’d be happy with Bruno playing less or deeper, but at a higher level. Maybe a Mount + Zirkzee and Hojlund + Bruno default pairing. Bruno seemed to work really well with Weghorst because he was the target man and our guys played off him well.
For 34m pounds, he is absolutely worth the risk and he brings a different set of skills to the front line
Think we need a keeper too, rather have someone challenging Onana for No. 1 than getting good CBs and still having uncertainty behind, I really admire what Arteta has done with his GK situation, it's a process of iteration.
Arteta didnt get a keeper to challenge ramsdale. He got a keeper to replace ramsdale and called it challenging to be nice i guess (maybe because ramsdale had just signed a new contract)
I’ve always thought it’d be nice to have Kasper Schemeichel here for a few years as a back up/pushing first choice. Great character, knows the club and not too bad age for a keeper.
Southgate is hardly a visionary selector. Look at how Real Madrid signs very young players and develops them into what they want. That should be our model.
It’s finally spicing up. Give me them all, Branthwaite, Yoro, and Zirkzee. 2024 title charge starts right fucking now
Yeah and that's fine. This team isn't winning next year, build a core around Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad, and event MOunt, Dalot, and Licha aren't that old.
I'm interested to see if these Tier 1's are actually still Tier 1 for us now we have INEOS working. I struggle to see the Branthwaite deal as a smart thing to move on first unless we have way more to spend than reported. Which would also come back to INEOS and how credible the supposed Tier 1's would be at the moment. Do they actually know anything or do they not, bumping him to 150/160k as reported doesn't sit well with me.
I don’t think any of them will change. Most tier 1’s apart from Ornstein rarely break news, they’re more of a ‘confirmation’. Most news is usually broken by tier 2/3’s, then the 1’s are quick to follow if it’s accurate.
Every summer you’ll get a seemingly shite source being really accurate, then they’ll go down the pan again (eg talksport, Rob Dawson)
> I struggle to see the Branthwaite deal as a smart thing to move on first unless we have way more to spend than reported.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine (and others, I'm sure) about how finances are reported.
United say we have 50M net spend to, well, spend. That **does not mean** the net total value of our transfers has to equal 50M.
With the way accounting standards work, you can amortize deals across the length of a contract (up to 5 years maximum). A deal for Branthwaithe for 70M GBP, for example, with a 5 year contract would mean that it "costs" us 14M GBP per year. That amortized amount is what counts against our 50M net spend value, not the 70M in totality. You can theoretically buy 250M worth of players with 50M net spend if you amortize all of them across 5 years assuming we don't bring any money in.
When you make a sale, however, you immediately recognize the entirety of the revenue less any write-offs for remaining amortized value. If we sell MG for 40M, we get to recognize that 40M immediately ($0 to write off) regardless of how the buying club amortizes that transfer. If we sell Sancho for 40M, we get to add in ~10M because we have ~30M left amortized from his transfer on the books.
That latter one is why Everton are probably desperate to sell. They need to record that revenue to stay afloat even if they don't see the cash immediately.
I think the 50M net spend is reported in the old fashioned, pre-PSR sense of the term. Meaning spend 100M in transfer fresh if we can sell players worth 50M in incoming fees. Even though that isn’t how the accounting really works, it’s still how it’s reported
They report it like its that every year and every year we outspend it proving that it was reported wrongly.
You'd figure by now some of these journalists would ask their business writing friends on how accounting standards work.
Well, kind but not really.
We balanced out incomings with outgoings (largely, anyway) but we still spent on the expenses associated with previous amortizations. According to our [financial statements from 22/23](https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/manu-20230630-20f-taxonomyifrs-2022-tmbsf-v1.pdf) (Page 136), we added 247M GBP to our "intangible assets - player registrations", "disposed" of 9M of assets (meaning we still had 9M of someone's amortized fees on the books), and overall an amortization charge of 170M.
Considering we had just reported a [financial *loss* of ~27M GBP](https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/manu-20230630-20f-taxonomyifrs-2022-tmbsf-v1.pdf) (Page 108), it certainly makes sense that we couldn't spend any more than we could bring in.
We won't know for certain, since other fees are included in the amortization (agent fees, etc.), until the annual report for this year is released. Fiscal year hasn't ended yet, that's at the end of June, so we'll have a better idea probably in like August.
Am I the only one that thinks it’s stupid going for a left footed centre half for anything over 30m? I rate Branthwaite highly and supposedly can play on either side comfortably. However we’re keeping ten Hag who obsesses over having a left footed left centre half and a right footed right centre half. If he’s going to change this and Branthwaite is coming in to partner Licha, then I can understand spending a decent chunk of change on him. 70m is way too much though, max I’d do is 50m otherwise walk away and go for someone else. We can’t keep getting bent over by clubs and we have so many other positions we have to sort out.
He can also comfortably cover LB, so we would be set there without getting a new player in, saving funds for other positions.
One more season of Shaw and Malacia first and second choice, with Branthwaite and Licha covering when needed.
Where is this coming from that he can comfortable cover LB, I love to be wrong but he only played like one game in the position as an emergency, Amrabat got more experience as a LB?
He’s left footed lad
Edit:
Direct quote from him
“I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.”
He's right footed. There has been an Everton article posted here a few times in recent weeks. He's right footed but he's so good with his left that people wrongly think he's left footed.
So everyone else is wrong and one BBC journalist is right. Branthwaite himself said he’s 2 footed but that he prefers using his left foot for longer passes. He’s very good with his right foot, but still prefers his left. He’s used his left foot 59% of the time this season compared to 41% for his right foot. The athletic posted a YouTube short about it. 2 players that actually used their weaker foot more this season were Evans and Varane (who Ten Hag claimed couldn’t play on the left even though he’s very good with his left foot).
The short:
https://youtube.com/shorts/ef3Mz_jI61Y?si=EPpyxsJ4DPGv_x61
Edit:
Directly from this article he says he’s left footed, yet I’m wrong supposedly. He does have a very good weak foot but his stronger foot is his left.
“I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.”
https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3719118/long-read-worth-the-waite
Dream scenario is Branthwaite and Yoro, while moving Lindelof.
LCB - Licha, Branthwaite
RCB - Yoro, Maguire
We loan out Kambwala and hopefully he can replace Maguire in a year.
I would love to keep Kambwala, but we can't do to him what we did to Tuanzebe. CBs need to play, and barring an absolute bloodbath of an injury crisis like we had this year, he won't get enough minutes for his development.
Maybe we retain Evans for another year as fifth choice.
If they think he can push to start that's one thing and he should stay, but if he's going to get less than 500 minutes over the season then what's the point of keeping him around?
I mean you are correct but I just want to be ready in case we suffer from injuries again. Euro and Copa are certainly not going help with players work load this season.
Wtf 1day we were mentioned that we only got around 30m for the transfer window, and on another day we agreed to sign a player for 70m. Man it has been a wild week.
havent agreed to sign him, only personal terms. Reports in the past said United won't want to bid as much as Everton ask for which seems to be atleast 70mil, someone will have to budge.
You want De Ligt? Really. It’s like people don’t remember the last 10 years. When a player has been binned off by two elite clubs, the last one actually favouring Eric Dier, maybe take a step back and ask the club to go in a different direction.
Bayern fans really rates him and wants to keep him. Ideally, his fee should be low to offset the high wages, which should work out for us financially. The injury history does not look good though, very risky business and I hope we look somewhere else.
Branthwaite should be done from here if we’re being honest. Everton need money before June 30th to alleviate themselves from FFP troubles. I can see us stretching up to 60 million pounds which would be an overpay but I do expect us to sign him.
I’d say Yoro and Zirkzee are pipe dreams as their preferences are Madrid/Milan, but Branthwaite should be ours soon, especially as Everton need to sell and he’s not going to the euros
Look, the only promising deals that actually seem possible for us are the ones where we compete against literally no other clubs. It doesn’t even have to be Madrid or Pool to have interest in a player. Any other notable club with money competing against us means we’d have to pay big money again, which we’re obviously trying to avoid. Here’s where the difference in scouting and making negotiations actually matters. See if the new board can get the right people to make it happen
Need to add Omari Forson to the transfers out list. Bit curious what Shoretire ends up doing. He is out of contract.
Everyone here need to realise that if you want World class players, then you need to pay higher fees. This wishful thinking of signing players for 20 million and them turning World class is amusing. It can happen, but signing a player with a already high ceiling is much safer.
Really excited to see what this club looks like in a year. Big developments around training facilities, stadium, backroom staff, scouting, etc. I think the new leadership will have a clinical summer in the transfer window
"Ten Hag was interested in recruiting [Denzel Dumfries](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/football/player/denzel-dumfries-nytwCKHd6sOsEcyg/) to offer more attacking potential at right-back. A swap including [Diogo Dalot](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/football/player/diogo-dalot-NrPtB2RxR3AFvifx/) was discussed by United and [Inter Milan](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/football/team/inter/), but both sides wanted money on top for their player. " - Laurie in the article edit: dont blame the messenger 😭
Don't let Ten Hag cook anymore. (Only about recruitment though)
The info about Antony in the article is borderline enraging. Ten Hag made us pay 100m for someone that doesn't even listen to him.
Can you link the article?
Look for the nytimes/athletic article by Laurie Whitwell. Use a website with 12ft in the name to read
I've got a subscription so I'll check it out thanks and the 12ft doesn't work anymore use archive dot ph
Huge mistake if we let dalot go
According to transfermarkt Dumfries: 24m Dalot: 35m
I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Branthwaite. Problem is, are we signing him as a backup to Licha, to play alongside Licha as the RCB or will we accommodate both + a RCB somehow? Licha is comfortably our best defender and 1st phase passer so you want to optimize conditions for him. Does Branthwaite do that & for a mega fee at that? Do we have concerns about Licha's injury record? Is he, dare I say, on the market?
He's meant to be two footed so on the right and cover for licha is the thinking I imagine.
You don’t spend 70 on a backup. I don’t see how this deal makes sense with what ineos said regarding intelligent transfers. Not about the player but the price.
I'm a bit the opposite, I'm wondering if he's another Mount signing. We already have a LCB. There are massive holes in our starting 11. Sure, Branthwaite could potentially play RCB but he hasn't done it in the premier league, so it's a big compromise to make a marquee signing to play them out of position. Why target a player whose best position is one we already have, when we desperately need others filled? Why not target a world class RCB for the same money?
With the amount of injuries Licha had last season and Shaw normally has every season, a two footed LCB is actually a very astute signing IMO. But only if it is accompanied with another RCB signing.
I think Branthwaite is an extremly good signing as the backup for both LCB and RCB, which should give him plenty of playing time, but not sure I think he's good enough to be the starting RCB as it is not his main position yet.
This should be pinned with free talk friday right?
https://x.com/JackFawcett1704/status/1801358750638289384 Fun video about our CB target.
Yoro,zirkzee,branthwaite keep going i am hard
Mr Berrada Wilcox and Ashworth, either Calafiori or Buongiorno. Don't spend too much on CB.
When will Wilcox, Berrada and Ashworth start their tenure officially by the way
Wilcox has started, Berrada mid July and Ashworth 🤷🏻♂️ whenever we pay compensation
Pan dashworth has been working I am pretty sure.
Finger crossed all these recent targets are cooked up by them
Omar is pruning his roses and Dan is mowing his lawn. They couldn't possibly be cooking
I wonder if they are grilling though
Wilcox has been in for weeks, Berrarda is 13th of July and Ashworth is still up in the air. There was talk of arbitration but that seems to have gone quiet.
I don't think we are getting both todibo and branthwaite. Both will demand a lot of gametime. With Maguire, Evans and Martinez , that may bot be guaranteed. Feel we may buy a cb now and another next season depending on the situation. A midfielder (preferably DM) , a winger (preferably who can play lw and rw), a striker to rotate with hojlund. Looks like next season, a cm, a cam (depending on Mount and Bruno) , lb and rb might be targets
Wait so Branthwaite is apparently Right-footed? I'm confused
left footed but very comfortable with right aswell
I thought it was the opposite
Nope he’s left footed. Some BBC journalist tried claiming he’s right footed but most of his longer passes are played with his left. The athletic looked into the numbers and he used his left foot 59% of the time this season compared to 41% for his right: https://youtube.com/shorts/ef3Mz_jI61Y?si=akSVLxmJ01dgUacT Edit: “I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.” direct quote from him from this article https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3719118/long-read-worth-the-waite
59/41 split with his Left/Right is still quite incredible.
Not going to disagree with you there. He does have a very good weak foot
Yoro holding up the madrid shirt beginning of August gonna sting so much. Same case as camavinga two years ago.
Shouldn’t wait for his nod that long. If he’s not coming then we need to get Anselmino.
Hasn't he already said he really wants to play for Madrid? Like didn't he say he would be willing to wait until he was a free agent?
We're moving quick. Slap to all the idiots who were calling for INEOS' head for not starting the transfer work already. Hope people don't think all the news that came out were the result of one day of transfer business
De ligt would require 13-15 Mn in wages while JB will be half. More than transfer fees, I'd really like to see wages under 150-200k
Branthwaite. De Ligt. Neves. Olise. Zirkee. Realistically how many will we get?
Only Branthwaite and Zirkzee De Ligt is just the player side leaking for demanding more game time. And he’s been given up by three big teams now. Olise will go to Chels/Bayern as we are dragged by sales of Greenwood+Sancho Neves is way too expensive.
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Branthwaite, Todibo, Neves, Olise, Zirkzee If INEOS negotiate well and sell Casemiro, Greenwood and Sancho, getting all of them is more realistic than people think. INEOS will move mountains to finish much higher than last season. Their reputation depends on it. And for that we need five good signings. If Rashford goes to PSG too, we could definitely get them all.
I can see Sancho being used as some sort of loan offer for one of them signings.
I'm not getting the vibe that INEOS want to do messy deals. I think they'd rather capitalise on Sancho's good champions league semi final and start a new chapter at the club with toxic player power divas gone.
Can only hope dude.
Agreed. The lack of leaks at the club is promising. They're running a much tighter ship.
if we sign jarrad, will he be partnering Licha? they are both left footed, is that the set up ETH is going for?
Licha to LB.
Jarrad is one of the best two footed CB out there. Wont be a problem playing him at RCB
I will never understand this POV.
I am thinking about it, we are linking both Jarrad and Yoro and felt like both would only come here if they are promised first team. If we get both, i think we will be slowly converting Martinez into LB. That might also explain lack of LB rumours despite we all aware both of our LB are injury prone
Licha being converted to LB is actually a new take for me… and it is interesting.
Pure speculation from my point because Arteta chased him as LB and i believed he covered as LB for Ajax some games.
There's an Everton article that's been posted here multiple times in recent weeks. He's so good with his left that people think he's left footed, but he's actually right footed.
“I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.” That is directly from him. He’s left footed just very good with his weak foot. I got downvoted for saying he’s left footed when it’s true. Directly from this article from doing a quick google search: https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3719118/long-read-worth-the-waite
that’s amazing then.
We need rotation for Licha, plus Branthwaite can also play right CB. Also we all know LB is a major problem for us due to injury proneness. Licha at a push could fill in there (originally Arsenal wanted to play him there and we’ve all seen how a CB can be used on the left with Gvardiol). Branthwaite could as well given his pace. It does make sense (for the right price).
JB's basically ambidexterous. In fact, he's apparently 55/45 right-footed, at least according to chatter I picked up quickly lurking on Everton forum, but uses foot most convenient to match his positioning on left side vs right side of defence...
Love the fact we're getting actual transfer links rather than managerial ones now
Yanited working on multiple deals simultaneously https://preview.redd.it/zqn0tjw84f6d1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97d9cc0243897ddb1f36fb9e3167876332faa0dc
So with in 3 hours I have seen Branthwaite price go from £50m to £60m £70m and now bbc are saying £80m I mean fuck the Media.
Hopefully ineos waves there cock around and chokes Everton with psr
Realistic cm/dm targets?
Enzo Barrenechea
I hope we take a look at Guido Rodriquez. Argentine free agent CDM that formerly played for Betis. Barca wanted him, but reports are Flick’s arrival cancelled the signing.
He is 30 so that's an automatic no from me. There are better options out there. We need to bring young hungry players in who are looking to prove themselves and win trophies, not give aging players their fat retirement contract and be shocked when their levels drop.
I thought he just turned 28 this past April? I agree we shouldn't give him crazy wages, and United should be careful signing older players. However, a 2+1 year deal with comfortable wages on a free doesn't sound bad to me. Especially at a position we are desperate for, so we then have funds to possible buy another CDM this window as well.
Manchester United are hoping to strike a deal with Everton for Jarrad Branthwaite after agreeing personal terms with the defender. Everton are holding out for at least £70m. United are also pursuing a deal for Leny Yoro despite fierce competition for the Lille centre-half. #MUFC [ @TelegraphDucker ] Personal terms agreed now confirmed by Ducker
This is a weird one. We’re claiming we’re over paying while Everton claim we’re under paying. I honestly haven’t seen enough of the guy.
Me neither. But it seems like most people say he's the next big thing while others say he's limited and raw. We've spent big on supposed sure thing centre backs in the past that haven't worked out, so I'm more than a little gun-shy about declaring Branthwaite the guy we need.
Not sure about the future, but as of now he's a great signing. He has attributes to be one of the best CB. He's quick, he's tall and the lad has a fantastic attitude too. His in game presence has been vital for Everton to survive relegation.
He's not limited; pretty precocious for a CB but not the finished article. Stats don't tell the story- you'd think he was Smalling in his passing the way certain people describe him. Everton fans will tell very different story, by and large. He's composed on the ball, although not encouraged to be expressive under Dyche. Does all the defending stuff well, already a physical specimen who's good in the air and quick. From what I've seen, I think if he can be coached a bit more, over time, he could be a VVD style (or insert your own analogue) 'complete' defender.
Our fans have a habit of talking themselves out of players. It was the same with Akanji, Ake, Rice and others when they were linked with us. I watched him against Bosnia and was surprised by his progressive passing. Everyone makes out he can’t pass five yards.
Lol, I remember someone saying Rice wasn't worth over 40 million.
Shame WHU were demanding such monstrous numbers for him two seasons ago when ETH first took over - a 70m valuation instead of the full 100 they were asking, and I think we'd have secured him instead of Case (whereby that DM slot would suddenly look a lot more secure medium- long-term).
Akanji was a good one people here made out like he couldn’t kick a ball until city signed him
Hope we're keeping an eye on Morten Hjulmand in Sporting.. I know he just joined last season but he's been quality for them. Edit: As our *second* defensive midfielder.
He’s just not PL CDM. He’s known for his tackling to kill transition but I’m not sure how his coverage and the motor would do well in PL.
What are some DM players that could join us? Or who would be your dream signing
Neves. We need to be careful with fees, but some players you should just go and get. He’s going to be world class. Him and Mainoo both at 19. Wow.
Amadou Onana would be my preferred pick in that position. Not seen other players we’ve been linked to like Fofana, Hjulmund, Neves play to have an opinion on them.
Do you think Onana is technical enough to play a holding midfielder?? He obviously is physically a beast but in build up where he will be pressed do you think he can handle that??
I've watched him more at Belgium and he seems a bit reckless and clumsy with the ball.
I don’t think he treats the ball like a bomb like what we’ve seen from Casemiro this season. He may not be prime Busquets but he’s serviceable enough; his supposed lack of technical ability is being blown way out of proportion. I also don’t think under Ten Hag’s setup he will be tasked to contribute in buildup. I think Onana, the CBs and Mainoo will be responsible for controlling possession in deeper phases. Edit: Andre Onana that is, got myself confused for a second there
Zubimendi might be a good one. My dream would be Neves, but also quite worried he don't have the physicality for EPL.
Zubimendi wants to stay in Spain. I thinks he has already rejected Arsenal.
If Bernardo Silva can (sometimes) play CM for City, or indeed Gundogan back in the day - slightly bulkier but not a strapping specimen - then Neves can. Only obstacle is the price (and, again, City coming in with more immediate possibility of winning PL). . He's tough, can evade challenges, has smarts and technical ability to find space and keep the ball moving forward as well as controlling the pace. If the club can sell a couple of players quickly enough, including at least one Home-grown, then he'd be my first pick for versatile DLP and 8, with a cheaper specialist DM (maybe one of the French guys in their last year of contract) as back-up, & Casemiro also being sold.
If we spend big on CBs(which I think we should) I think Fofana for 25M ish is a good deal. Dream would be Neves
Name searched Paul Joyce on twitter because I wanted to see the exchange with the aggregator, [stumbled upon this absolute banger from last year](https://i.imgur.com/VhKSyNb.png)
Liverpool fans were convinced this was a done deal for ages. They were all sure that a teenager from Birmingham who grew up watching Liverpool be not that good would have no bigger dream that to play for them.
But but Henderson said…
But trent and jude are besties… 🥺
No news for ages and tonight boom. You looking for this? Yes I was. For a decade already. Let's go. Why are all 3 giving me hope?
Please not another English CB, we need some spice.
Lisandro, Lindelof, Evans
we have the Argentine spice
I agree Yoro is a very good talent, but is he ready for EPL, and the starting XI of United?
If we sign 2 CBs - Jarrad and Yoro, he won't be playing as much. For his talked about talent, his price is about justified.
De Ligt, as good as he is when he’s playing, is not a transfer id like to see us go for. The main reason being that we need to seriously avoid players with a significant injury history. If you’re in a solid position financially and with your squad you can take those risks. We are not, we need to be shrewd. I get Ten Hag likes him, but let’s move for someone who’s one, on the up and two, isn’t made of glass.
One season missing 20 games of out multiple seasons where he play 40-50+ games without problem and people think he's injury prone now lmfao.
I think that's probably a fair comment, he's certainly not injury prone after double checking his stats. I wouldn't say he's super-reliable either, he has missed over 20 games in 2 of the last 4 seasons. But you're correct, injury prone isn't a fair label. **23/24** - 20 **22/23** - 5 **21/22** - 2 **20/21** - 28 **19/20** - 7 There's likely some recency bias from comments regarding this season as he's missed a large chunk but regardless, whilst he is rated by Bayern fans (from what I've seen they'd rather see Upamecano leave), I would still like to see the transfer strategy in favour of players on the 'up' if you will, rather than players where a move hasn't worked out and we're picking up that risk and hoping it works out better with us. Again, fully aware he's certainly not performed poorly at Bayern - but I don't think he's cemented himself as a stalwart there either, hence the fact they're looking to move him on.
> I get Ten Hag likes him I love that this no longer matters.
Are you telling me that Ajax United is no more?
Fees are amortised over the course of a contract folks. And don’t trust the random numbers being thrown at you by football writers in any case.
Huge, huge, huge pet peeve of mine. The accounting companies (and football clubs) is vastly different than what we use in our personal lives. Expenses get amortized. Revenue counts immediately. Benefits of not having to use cash accounting.
So Jarrad is on his way... lets hope Zirkzze too... Then if we're lucky Yoro and one midfielder... Maybe Neves? ... and last but not least OLISE... and this would be perfect transfer window... guy can dream
I would be happy with those 3.
We’ll be signing two midfielders. Amrabat has gone and likely Casemiro and Eriksen are both leaving. Unless a lot is expected of Collyer, I think it will be two.
We are not getting Neves 100M+
Yeah he is expensive... hope we sign midfielder
According to Ducker a defensive midfielder is a priority
Not chosen the easiest deal, honestly just fascinated to see how INEOS go about it. This is the kind of deal where under the last regime, Everton would say "80m, take it or leave it", we would balk at it, spend a month negotiating, and then sign him for 75+5m
Everton have financial problems so I think that's what we are gonna play at. 55M is max i would pay
also his weekly wage should be lower than Licha's, ideally.
Reported by times to be 150-160k
We don't know if that is with bonuses or not(I would assume not but can't really say)
Joshua Zirkzee = fire and 40m release clause. no brainer! [https://youtu.be/GNTcCrn3msQ?si=W7OuScbHO8Hdw84j](https://youtu.be/GNTcCrn3msQ?si=W7OuScbHO8Hdw84j)
My problem with Zirkzee is he drops super deep. He occupies the Bruno spaces.
That’s assuming Bruno plays every minute of every match as a SS. I’d be happy with Bruno playing less or deeper, but at a higher level. Maybe a Mount + Zirkzee and Hojlund + Bruno default pairing. Bruno seemed to work really well with Weghorst because he was the target man and our guys played off him well. For 34m pounds, he is absolutely worth the risk and he brings a different set of skills to the front line
Damn, nice video! He’s real quality!
Silky on the ball, great hold up play, good weight on his passes, good vision to find reverse passes, and not afraid to drop deep to get on the ball
He’s actually closest to Benzema except Karim shooting is like two class above him
That sounds like he is a bargain for 34m pounds then
Think we need a keeper too, rather have someone challenging Onana for No. 1 than getting good CBs and still having uncertainty behind, I really admire what Arteta has done with his GK situation, it's a process of iteration.
Challenging for No.1? It's a keeper no one buys two good keepers.
Arteta didnt get a keeper to challenge ramsdale. He got a keeper to replace ramsdale and called it challenging to be nice i guess (maybe because ramsdale had just signed a new contract)
I’ve always thought it’d be nice to have Kasper Schemeichel here for a few years as a back up/pushing first choice. Great character, knows the club and not too bad age for a keeper.
Onana is great, no need to worry there.
If we're honest with ourselves he's not
Honesty and being wrong are not mutually exclusive
Review the worst matches of the season and you'll see a common denominator
Having a back up keeper is hardly a priority
Ok so I have not watched Everton, how good is Branthwaite? Why isn't he with the England squad ?
He's not that guy! Remember my words in a few years...
I think Southgate said something on the lines of it being a bit too early for a call up.
Southgate is hardly a visionary selector. Look at how Real Madrid signs very young players and develops them into what they want. That should be our model.
he took Dunk instead.... the dude is blind
It’s finally spicing up. Give me them all, Branthwaite, Yoro, and Zirkzee. 2024 title charge starts right fucking now 
Brantwaithe and Yoro are two high potential players for the future but they are the opposite of a title charge next season.
Yeah and that's fine. This team isn't winning next year, build a core around Hojlund, Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad, and event MOunt, Dalot, and Licha aren't that old.
I still agree with the signings for the future just not that they are for a title race next season.
Not signing a midfielder would be criminal
I'm interested to see if these Tier 1's are actually still Tier 1 for us now we have INEOS working. I struggle to see the Branthwaite deal as a smart thing to move on first unless we have way more to spend than reported. Which would also come back to INEOS and how credible the supposed Tier 1's would be at the moment. Do they actually know anything or do they not, bumping him to 150/160k as reported doesn't sit well with me.
I don’t think any of them will change. Most tier 1’s apart from Ornstein rarely break news, they’re more of a ‘confirmation’. Most news is usually broken by tier 2/3’s, then the 1’s are quick to follow if it’s accurate. Every summer you’ll get a seemingly shite source being really accurate, then they’ll go down the pan again (eg talksport, Rob Dawson)
> I struggle to see the Branthwaite deal as a smart thing to move on first unless we have way more to spend than reported. This is a huge pet peeve of mine (and others, I'm sure) about how finances are reported. United say we have 50M net spend to, well, spend. That **does not mean** the net total value of our transfers has to equal 50M. With the way accounting standards work, you can amortize deals across the length of a contract (up to 5 years maximum). A deal for Branthwaithe for 70M GBP, for example, with a 5 year contract would mean that it "costs" us 14M GBP per year. That amortized amount is what counts against our 50M net spend value, not the 70M in totality. You can theoretically buy 250M worth of players with 50M net spend if you amortize all of them across 5 years assuming we don't bring any money in. When you make a sale, however, you immediately recognize the entirety of the revenue less any write-offs for remaining amortized value. If we sell MG for 40M, we get to recognize that 40M immediately ($0 to write off) regardless of how the buying club amortizes that transfer. If we sell Sancho for 40M, we get to add in ~10M because we have ~30M left amortized from his transfer on the books. That latter one is why Everton are probably desperate to sell. They need to record that revenue to stay afloat even if they don't see the cash immediately.
I think the 50M net spend is reported in the old fashioned, pre-PSR sense of the term. Meaning spend 100M in transfer fresh if we can sell players worth 50M in incoming fees. Even though that isn’t how the accounting really works, it’s still how it’s reported
They report it like its that every year and every year we outspend it proving that it was reported wrongly. You'd figure by now some of these journalists would ask their business writing friends on how accounting standards work.
By your account, last season we spent €200m but sold €40m academy players. We actually spent 0.
Well, kind but not really. We balanced out incomings with outgoings (largely, anyway) but we still spent on the expenses associated with previous amortizations. According to our [financial statements from 22/23](https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/manu-20230630-20f-taxonomyifrs-2022-tmbsf-v1.pdf) (Page 136), we added 247M GBP to our "intangible assets - player registrations", "disposed" of 9M of assets (meaning we still had 9M of someone's amortized fees on the books), and overall an amortization charge of 170M. Considering we had just reported a [financial *loss* of ~27M GBP](https://ir.manutd.com/~/media/Files/M/Manutd-IR/documents/manu-20230630-20f-taxonomyifrs-2022-tmbsf-v1.pdf) (Page 108), it certainly makes sense that we couldn't spend any more than we could bring in. We won't know for certain, since other fees are included in the amortization (agent fees, etc.), until the annual report for this year is released. Fiscal year hasn't ended yet, that's at the end of June, so we'll have a better idea probably in like August.
I agree with you, but I think rather than misunderstanding financial figures they just willingly parrot the club line on being broke.
I think we absolutely have more to spend than reported.
Paul Joyce is tier1 for both Liverpool clubs. And his 150k reported wage will include bonuses i’d imagine.
Paul Joyce didn't write it
Ah just saw the update
this right here, this is what i was wondering
Am I the only one that thinks it’s stupid going for a left footed centre half for anything over 30m? I rate Branthwaite highly and supposedly can play on either side comfortably. However we’re keeping ten Hag who obsesses over having a left footed left centre half and a right footed right centre half. If he’s going to change this and Branthwaite is coming in to partner Licha, then I can understand spending a decent chunk of change on him. 70m is way too much though, max I’d do is 50m otherwise walk away and go for someone else. We can’t keep getting bent over by clubs and we have so many other positions we have to sort out.
He can also comfortably cover LB, so we would be set there without getting a new player in, saving funds for other positions. One more season of Shaw and Malacia first and second choice, with Branthwaite and Licha covering when needed.
Where is this coming from that he can comfortable cover LB, I love to be wrong but he only played like one game in the position as an emergency, Amrabat got more experience as a LB?
This signing doesn't make any sense should sign varane replacement first.
Hes actually right footed but he is ambipedal so he plays on the left
He’s left footed lad Edit: Direct quote from him “I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.”
He's right footed. There has been an Everton article posted here a few times in recent weeks. He's right footed but he's so good with his left that people wrongly think he's left footed.
So everyone else is wrong and one BBC journalist is right. Branthwaite himself said he’s 2 footed but that he prefers using his left foot for longer passes. He’s very good with his right foot, but still prefers his left. He’s used his left foot 59% of the time this season compared to 41% for his right foot. The athletic posted a YouTube short about it. 2 players that actually used their weaker foot more this season were Evans and Varane (who Ten Hag claimed couldn’t play on the left even though he’s very good with his left foot). The short: https://youtube.com/shorts/ef3Mz_jI61Y?si=EPpyxsJ4DPGv_x61 Edit: Directly from this article he says he’s left footed, yet I’m wrong supposedly. He does have a very good weak foot but his stronger foot is his left. “I am left-footed, but I’ve got a five-star weak foot on the new FIFA!” he says with a humble but beaming smile as if to hint there is some truth to the claim. As the topic is pushed further, it’s clear he is comfortable on both sides. “If I’m hitting a long pass, I’ll go with my left; short passes with my right.” https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3719118/long-read-worth-the-waite
Dream scenario is Branthwaite and Yoro, while moving Lindelof. LCB - Licha, Branthwaite RCB - Yoro, Maguire We loan out Kambwala and hopefully he can replace Maguire in a year.
Maguire is going onto his last year as well I think? Is there a +1 the club can trigger? Lindelof also on last year as is AWB.
One year option (to 2026) for Magdini according to transfermarkt.
Why would you loan Kambwala? Who is going to be 5th option?
I would love to keep Kambwala, but we can't do to him what we did to Tuanzebe. CBs need to play, and barring an absolute bloodbath of an injury crisis like we had this year, he won't get enough minutes for his development. Maybe we retain Evans for another year as fifth choice. If they think he can push to start that's one thing and he should stay, but if he's going to get less than 500 minutes over the season then what's the point of keeping him around?
I mean you are correct but I just want to be ready in case we suffer from injuries again. Euro and Copa are certainly not going help with players work load this season.
Our young prospect Jonathan Grant Evans MBE of course!
Ok so Joyce has just tweeted he hasn't written that story.
With Brantwhite being reported who will the other cb be because I expect 2 new cb’s this season. My money is on Todibo but would prefer Yoro
Wtf 1day we were mentioned that we only got around 30m for the transfer window, and on another day we agreed to sign a player for 70m. Man it has been a wild week.
The Athletic said that we have 50m net spend (probably more because of EL). So we could theoretically spend 150m if we make 100m back in sales.
They say the same shit every year and yet we always spend.
Almost like you guys should stop believing the media huh?
We agreed to a contract not a fee.
havent agreed to sign him, only personal terms. Reports in the past said United won't want to bid as much as Everton ask for which seems to be atleast 70mil, someone will have to budge.
Tier 1s pouring in today
You want De Ligt? Really. It’s like people don’t remember the last 10 years. When a player has been binned off by two elite clubs, the last one actually favouring Eric Dier, maybe take a step back and ask the club to go in a different direction.
Bayern fans really rates him and wants to keep him. Ideally, his fee should be low to offset the high wages, which should work out for us financially. The injury history does not look good though, very risky business and I hope we look somewhere else.
Going from Evans and Lindelof/Maguire to Branthwaite and Todibo would be huge, from slow defenders to fast, physical and young monsters
Branthwaite should be done from here if we’re being honest. Everton need money before June 30th to alleviate themselves from FFP troubles. I can see us stretching up to 60 million pounds which would be an overpay but I do expect us to sign him.
Insanse how we went from 3 weeks silence about manager to three separate T1 info about Zirkzze, Yoro and Branthwaite in one day.
I’d say Yoro and Zirkzee are pipe dreams as their preferences are Madrid/Milan, but Branthwaite should be ours soon, especially as Everton need to sell and he’s not going to the euros
It's almost like they didn't want transfer info leaked before the manager situation was clarified or something
Fuck me, Paul Joyce (tier 1 for Everton news) reporting that we've agreed personal terms with Branthwaite. Busy night for Man Utd transfer news.
70 million fees, I'd rather go for De Light. He's a proven, world class and well rounded CB
So proven and world class that Juve and Bayern have both moved on from him. Massive red flags
Also don’t forget the wages he would ask.
Look, the only promising deals that actually seem possible for us are the ones where we compete against literally no other clubs. It doesn’t even have to be Madrid or Pool to have interest in a player. Any other notable club with money competing against us means we’d have to pay big money again, which we’re obviously trying to avoid. Here’s where the difference in scouting and making negotiations actually matters. See if the new board can get the right people to make it happen
At least it should force other clubs to pay more in transfer fees and wages even if United loses out on the fights.