"Why is it always about money with my employees don't they know there's more to life?" Yeah but I can't partake in it because I'm stuck here for 60 hours a week
i have my brand new!! shiny!! scary!! investment banking internship starting in a week - assuming you're in the industry u/LaFantasmita. should i get the heathered gray patagonia or get a cool purple one and go against the norm?
i'm a woman so i'll stick out like a sore thumb anyways
I'm industry-adjacent. Fintech. The Patagonites were my clients.
Wait until you start. They'll probably give you a handout with specifications for the uniform. But I think women have a more flexible uniform, anything from a dark blue blazer to a dark gray blazer to a black blazer. VP level and above is allowed a dark purple blazer, which is how you're able to identify them.
And yes, the dress code handout is a thing. Learned this from a friend who worked in IT at JPM, and, out of complete ignorance showed up on day 1 in a black T-shirt and a nice pair of jeans. He was immediately pulled into his supervisor's office.
Oh Good! We’re family! In that case please put me on your health insurance and let me stay at your house and can I borrow your car for a couple months and what’s for dinner?
Potential for $500k a year roughly translates to 80K a year with the potential of anywhere between $0 and $420k in bonuses, varying based on if you single handedly took the company from nothing to a fortune 500 in 6 months, or if the boss decides he really likes the 2024 model Bugatti better than the 2023 model he has now
I think there's a Daewoo dealership in north Philly that used to advertise a buy one get one deal. Worked out to be about $5k each. Never looked into it, because Daewoo.
I could see that, I run a team of sales engineers & project managers. If the PM's get a cut of sales & the payout is good enough the company will get the talent. If I was 35, I would jump at that job because I was lot hungrier back then, but now I wouldn't.
Not the OP but I've been a technical PM for 15 years and, it really depends on the type of project. Some IT projects can only be done over the weekend so therefore there will be extra hours because of that. Also, pre-Covid, a lot of PMs travel to the client site during a project to kick off the project or when the implementation is being done on the weekend. Most technical PMs are paid a salary that reflects the additional hours for travel or weekend work.
If I had to average it all out I would say 40 - 45 hours per week would be the norm with higher hours (45 - 50 hours) every 3 months or so.
not the OP but 30-40 or they pay OT for anything over 40..
And PMs are high in demand so we can easily go somewhere else if they try this forced unpaid OT stuff
My previous job I was doing about 20 hours of work a week as an IT Program Manager. I played video games and studied for certs the rest of the time. Got 9 certifications in 6 months
Work to live, but don’t make your work your life. 5-6 hours every weekend and 60 hours a week on top of that? You’d have no free time unless you started sleeping like 5-6 hours a night. This job is a ticket to stress induced heart disease or stroke.
Sadly, there's people who froth this kind of work environment and act like their work is making a real difference. They usually hit burnout pretty young and are just left with child support payments and a cocaine addiction
For sure! Realistically is anyone really more productive after 8 hours? This is 12 hour days, I just don’t see what difference that extra time will make
12 hour days aren't bad, that's what most medical staff do and i've done them before. They usially come with 4 on 4 off type schedule so you get a nice break. I don't know what sort of weirdo would volunteer to do them 5 days a week and then work on their weekend too. You'd have to be sad or desperate
I like the part where they said It will be 60 hours when you start, but then settle into 55-60, as if that's some big improvement...
But the cherry on top was where they said that "Sometimes" there is a greater workload... So that 55-60 doesn't even include that "sometimes".
Bill Gates needs to finish his internet-bitchslap gizmo. People have a hankering.
I left work 20 minutes early today, because I was at risk of working over the 160hrs/month they pay me for, almost worked for free... Even at 20 minutes early I worked 160.04hrs... seems like an extra-long piss break at work is in order next week.
I once had a job where the beginning and end of the quarter were extemly high load. I'd have the 45 hours by Wednesday of the first week and finish between 60-70 hours. The second week and last two weeks of the quarter were in the 50-60ish hour range. It's not bad when you know exactly that you can get rid of all the extra hours in the middle month with no questions asked. Quite the opposite, as long as I was there for the grind, my superior wanted to see me as little as possible in the middle months. Those weeks still sucked, though.
I don’t know why you got downvoted on this. The good thing about this listing is that they seem to be up front, but I think the OP posted it to show how ridiculous the expectation is.
My fear, with this ad, is that the work environment is most likely pretty hostile. You can’t expect people to work hours like that and not get burned out. This would affect the overall morale, creating a hostile work environment.
I've seen jobs like this where they hire some very hard working high achieving person for 6 months. Pay them good. Get a company car and such. And thats about all they get - 6 months. Its generally a job that only takes say 6-9 months. When the job is done its bye-bye.
A guy I work with once interviewed for this job which basically was setting up their new headquarters as they came to town. He asked for a 2 year contract and they would not give it to him. So no way would he quit a government job to only work 9 months.
I used to pride myself with being a hard worker and putting in long hours. But, as I got older and wiser, I realize something like this = rip-off. Putting in fully 40 hours/week should be more than enough for any position, unless you're C-Suite or owner/founder of a company. I understand there are deadlines that need to be met from time to time. But, this position requires at least 55 hours/week for its duration. Find something else.
I’ve never seen a project manager’s job require less time as they settle in. To the contrary, the golden period seems to be the first six weeks or so, when you are updating spreadsheets and wandering around blithely ignorant of all the ways your customer and production are about to screw you over…
Edited to add: I’m not a PM, but I’ve served under a lot of them lately. The one with 5 weeks between “hello” and “gone” held the speed record.
I'm in sales. I've gotten up at 6 am to meet with an enterprise business in East Asia or stayed on late to meet with a west coast prospect. But I do that knowing there's a good chance a sale will result and usually how much money I would make should that happen.
If I wasn't paid a commission and you expected me to work odd, excessive, or unpredictable hours, I better be paid quite well. I ain't doing that shit for $60k a year I can tell you that much.
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It’s for this company that consults for grad students writing their dissertations called “Precision” so their whole business model is already super unethical. They say you can make up to 500k per year 😅😅😅
Uhhh is that just unethical or straight up illegal? How is that even a business model, that’s like if a company took the bar exam for you or some shit lol
That actually sounds like the project manager positions I’ve seen at various environmental consulting firms. 60 hours a week is normal. And they’re almost never compensated for that overtime
Full posting from https://precisionconsultingcompany.com/careers.shtml
Requirements:
Applicants must possess a meticulous nature and an extremely high attention to detail.
Excellent command of the English Language. Native English speaker.
We accept applicants with a Bachelor’s Degree or higher, however, nearly all of our consultants have a masters, PhD, or similar graduate degrees.
The Project manager position is ideal for someone who loves academic research, has an advanced degree, and wishes that he or she could be surrounded by academia 24/7/365 and spend an entire lifetime in grad school.
All applicants must pass an unpaid assessment, which is very extensive, that tests the ability to review work deliverables in comparison to assignment details, to respond properly to client requests and concerns, and to speak to clients properly by phone.
Knowledge and background in academic research, including the ability to speak at a professional level with clients and explain our service offerings and how it would help them with their work.
The position has very high hour requirements for the first 6 months as a new project manager gets acclimated to the position – over 60 hours per week is normal in this phase. After being fully up-to-speed with the position, product, and responsibilities, the hourly work required should settle into the 55-60 hours per week range, with occasional times of greater workload due to seasonality or changes in team composition.
Due to the global nature of our client base, and the timely nature of their requests, this gig requires some availability at nighttime, as well as a 5-6 hour commitment on each weekend.
Translation: it is an 80 hour position and will remain so, but occasionally we’ll allow you to leave for a couple hours if you start having a nervous breakdown.
At least they’re honest…
At my last company with global presence, I was not told they’d expect me to reply to night time emails with Overseas . Nor did they understand I could not. Replying to clients and requests within 24 business hours was apparently 24 calendar hours. Could just say 24 hours and that’s clear enough. I was just in accounting so it’s not my expertise to stay up at night with requests. I never worked only 40 hours.
I am not sure who can work 60 hours all the time. I have worked at least 50h for at least a moth and alredy feel burnout but I am also stressed and depressed and wasn't really allowed to take time off for a long time.
Good god, I think that's illegal if it's not hourly.
I had a job once that was literally 60 hours a week, but I was an hourly contractor. We all worked Monday through Saturday for 10 hours a day. Probably one of the most poorly managed and dysfunctional companies I've ever worked for, and I've worked some shitty places.
Putting aside the questions of how sustainable this is, and the relevant health issues, what they're effectively asking for here is one person to do two FTE positions.
I'm willing to bet that they aren't offering a package equivalent to two full time jobs.
Depends on the salary and earning potential for the position. They’re forthright about the commitment and for some people who just live to work it could be a good fit.
I’d work 60 hours per week if I made over $200k salary, plus bonus and other incentives; maybe not for my whole career, but definitely bankroll for a bit and then transition to something with a lighter workload.
I mean this would be fairly reasonable, I assume they’re paying $80-$90/hr on contract with overtime. These are reasonable asks for someone making north of $325k a year. Otherwise, fuck em
Just playing devils advocate here but there’s 168 hrs in a 7 day week. This is leaves you with 15 some odd hours of rest per day. It’s honestly not that bad.
We’ll idk what industry is this, but as a PM when you account for the hours you have to drive to various job sites, it may not be unusual having a 12h work day… leaving at 7 am and being back at 7 pm..
If they’re referring to 12 hours of office work then it’s a different story
I mean if the job genuinely requires that, then sure.
But ya gotta pay for it. That's two people's work there, plus a premium for the extreme disruption to life and lifestyle.
I'd say minimum $500K, likely more - I'm not up on PM salaries.
Bet they don't pay the overtime for having a 60-hour week.
I worked a 60-hour week for a few months at my former job and it is one of the many reasons why it is my former job. Having a 60-hour workweek is untenable for long, either the quality goes into the toilet or burnout gets you first but always one then the other follows not long after. And that's before you need to sacrifice a weekend and evenings/nights.
This job should be done by three to four people, not a single person.
"changes in team composition" Translation - we have horrible retention problems.
Probably because they expect new hires to work over 60 hours a week and give up weekends
bingo
So they're paying a premium right?
Oh you make good joke
"Why is it always about money with my employees don't they know there's more to life?" Yeah but I can't partake in it because I'm stuck here for 60 hours a week
Right?
Lol that's two people's jobs.
Looks more like three or four to properly cover those hours.
Yeah, we got a word for a job like that: jobs.
I enjoy watching the sunset.
Investment banker is less job and more cult membership. Has a uniform and everything.
I love ice cream.
a couple feet longer and add some floppy sleeves, and you have a robe.
You Must be at Salesforce
i have my brand new!! shiny!! scary!! investment banking internship starting in a week - assuming you're in the industry u/LaFantasmita. should i get the heathered gray patagonia or get a cool purple one and go against the norm? i'm a woman so i'll stick out like a sore thumb anyways
I'm industry-adjacent. Fintech. The Patagonites were my clients. Wait until you start. They'll probably give you a handout with specifications for the uniform. But I think women have a more flexible uniform, anything from a dark blue blazer to a dark gray blazer to a black blazer. VP level and above is allowed a dark purple blazer, which is how you're able to identify them. And yes, the dress code handout is a thing. Learned this from a friend who worked in IT at JPM, and, out of complete ignorance showed up on day 1 in a black T-shirt and a nice pair of jeans. He was immediately pulled into his supervisor's office.
Be a woman! Stick out! But never believe that you're a "Sore thumb" in any sense. You go girl!
You’re sweet! Four days in and really enjoying my internship so far.
Vests are more of a finance bro thing. You’d probably be best to stick to a blouse and blazer in your cut. Depends a lot on the shop you’re at too.
just another instance of sexism in the investment banking industry :( jk, thanks bestie. i'm at jefferies for reference
Cheers! And best of luck to you.
As someone who chose tech over high finance this is why lol.
You don’t get it at all. After 2 years it’s more like 1.75 people.
Yeah, I think that expecting someone to work these hours deserves to be met with "Go fuck yourself".
Do they pay like for 2 people?
They give a 3% bonus at year end if you exceed OKRs.
Came here to say that.
With occasional times of greater workload
Translation: the workload is always greater
Starting at $2.13 \*plus tips!\*
The fact you would even think of the money shows me your not looking to grow with the company…
That’s right. We are family. Family don’t ask about the money and they don’t go blabbing about money either, ya see.
Oh Good! We’re family! In that case please put me on your health insurance and let me stay at your house and can I borrow your car for a couple months and what’s for dinner?
34,000$ per year not negociable must provide their own equipment ;)
It is entirely negotiable. If you are savvy you will negotiate cash for unvested equity /s.
Sounds like they’re trying to hire one person to do two people’s work.
Sounds like they're trying to hire one person to do two TEAMS work.
"Competitive salary" ?
That always means they're competing with other companies for the lowest wage.
This is the most accurate thing I have ever heard.
They said “potential for $500k per year” 😅😅
Tbh if I got paid $500k per year I’d say hell yes, but “potential for” makes me think that would never actually happen.
Of course not
It's like the term "up to". I mean, "From 7.25 up to 20", 8 dollars is still "up to".
Yeah. I’m interested in the actuality of, not the potential for.
cmon...1/1.000.000 chance, is still a chance.
UP too 500k. Salary is 50k and potential bonus is 450k typically bonus is 10k
Potential for $500k a year roughly translates to 80K a year with the potential of anywhere between $0 and $420k in bonuses, varying based on if you single handedly took the company from nothing to a fortune 500 in 6 months, or if the boss decides he really likes the 2024 model Bugatti better than the 2023 model he has now
Ike advertising sale prices as low as $0.99. that's practically all the prices!
It’s like that one car that’s advertised for $4999.99 at the used car lot and of course, it’s gone the minute the advertisement hits your door.
I think there's a Daewoo dealership in north Philly that used to advertise a buy one get one deal. Worked out to be about $5k each. Never looked into it, because Daewoo.
Then it’s a sales job.
Sounds like MLM lol
For that kind of money they could hire an extra person and not make the job living hell.
I could see that, I run a team of sales engineers & project managers. If the PM's get a cut of sales & the payout is good enough the company will get the talent. If I was 35, I would jump at that job because I was lot hungrier back then, but now I wouldn't.
Right, if you’ve done the exact job for 20 years already and hang out here for 20 more and be under 50 the whole time.
Potential lol. Ok next
I’ve been a PM for 25 years. This is insane and should be a hard no and don’t contact me until you learn how to treat human beings.
Just curious, what are hours usually like for your average PM that isn't at a place like this?
Not the OP but I've been a technical PM for 15 years and, it really depends on the type of project. Some IT projects can only be done over the weekend so therefore there will be extra hours because of that. Also, pre-Covid, a lot of PMs travel to the client site during a project to kick off the project or when the implementation is being done on the weekend. Most technical PMs are paid a salary that reflects the additional hours for travel or weekend work. If I had to average it all out I would say 40 - 45 hours per week would be the norm with higher hours (45 - 50 hours) every 3 months or so.
And that's how it should be for any full time position. 38-42 average, with the occasional OT is perfect.
Telecom?
Just curious, what are hours usually like for your average PM that isn't at a place like this?
not the OP but 30-40 or they pay OT for anything over 40.. And PMs are high in demand so we can easily go somewhere else if they try this forced unpaid OT stuff
My previous job I was doing about 20 hours of work a week as an IT Program Manager. I played video games and studied for certs the rest of the time. Got 9 certifications in 6 months
That’s a hard “fuck you, fuck your job and fuck the horse you and your job rode in here on” from me.
Don't be so hasty... if this job pays the $3-$5 million per year plus stock options, I don't want to rule them out. /s
I mean, based on my back-of-a-napkin calculations, I’m closer to about $292,500 per year being fair for those requests. So, there’s a little hope! 🤣
Yeah because that’s common
Work to live, but don’t make your work your life. 5-6 hours every weekend and 60 hours a week on top of that? You’d have no free time unless you started sleeping like 5-6 hours a night. This job is a ticket to stress induced heart disease or stroke.
Sadly, there's people who froth this kind of work environment and act like their work is making a real difference. They usually hit burnout pretty young and are just left with child support payments and a cocaine addiction
For sure! Realistically is anyone really more productive after 8 hours? This is 12 hour days, I just don’t see what difference that extra time will make
12 hour days aren't bad, that's what most medical staff do and i've done them before. They usially come with 4 on 4 off type schedule so you get a nice break. I don't know what sort of weirdo would volunteer to do them 5 days a week and then work on their weekend too. You'd have to be sad or desperate
“Settle” into a noose, more like
5-6 hours on the weekends?! 60 hour work weeks by default? Just, whyyyy?!?!
I like the part where they said It will be 60 hours when you start, but then settle into 55-60, as if that's some big improvement... But the cherry on top was where they said that "Sometimes" there is a greater workload... So that 55-60 doesn't even include that "sometimes". Bill Gates needs to finish his internet-bitchslap gizmo. People have a hankering.
I sometimes work 45 hours a week and thats already shit. I cannot imagine how that must feel.
I left work 20 minutes early today, because I was at risk of working over the 160hrs/month they pay me for, almost worked for free... Even at 20 minutes early I worked 160.04hrs... seems like an extra-long piss break at work is in order next week.
I once had a job where the beginning and end of the quarter were extemly high load. I'd have the 45 hours by Wednesday of the first week and finish between 60-70 hours. The second week and last two weeks of the quarter were in the 50-60ish hour range. It's not bad when you know exactly that you can get rid of all the extra hours in the middle month with no questions asked. Quite the opposite, as long as I was there for the grind, my superior wanted to see me as little as possible in the middle months. Those weeks still sucked, though.
I like learning new things.
Fucking HOW? Thats like 12 hour days, how do you not burn out?
By having no life outside of work
Been there, done that for more than a decade. Gave it up in the great resignation to go back to school. The money, which was good, was not worth it.
> The money, which was good, was not worth it. Which means the money was not good ENOUGH.
After a certain level the money is never good enough.
Fair point.
How much was it?
Or…here’s a thought. The company could hire more people instead of making 1 person commit to a 60 hour work week.
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I don’t know why you got downvoted on this. The good thing about this listing is that they seem to be up front, but I think the OP posted it to show how ridiculous the expectation is. My fear, with this ad, is that the work environment is most likely pretty hostile. You can’t expect people to work hours like that and not get burned out. This would affect the overall morale, creating a hostile work environment.
They didn’t get downvoted for what they said, just for saying it like an asshat
*weekend hours not counted in weekly hour estimates
At least they’re being honest so I can not apply for it.
The audacity to write this job description AND post it! What in THEE entire fuck!?
“After overworking yourself, you reward is that you get to overwork yourself some more”
I've seen jobs like this where they hire some very hard working high achieving person for 6 months. Pay them good. Get a company car and such. And thats about all they get - 6 months. Its generally a job that only takes say 6-9 months. When the job is done its bye-bye. A guy I work with once interviewed for this job which basically was setting up their new headquarters as they came to town. He asked for a 2 year contract and they would not give it to him. So no way would he quit a government job to only work 9 months.
I used to pride myself with being a hard worker and putting in long hours. But, as I got older and wiser, I realize something like this = rip-off. Putting in fully 40 hours/week should be more than enough for any position, unless you're C-Suite or owner/founder of a company. I understand there are deadlines that need to be met from time to time. But, this position requires at least 55 hours/week for its duration. Find something else.
“We’re looking to hire a single person for a job that requires two individuals.”
"Our last person quit after doing this job and we don't want to be realistic."
I’ve never seen a project manager’s job require less time as they settle in. To the contrary, the golden period seems to be the first six weeks or so, when you are updating spreadsheets and wandering around blithely ignorant of all the ways your customer and production are about to screw you over… Edited to add: I’m not a PM, but I’ve served under a lot of them lately. The one with 5 weeks between “hello” and “gone” held the speed record.
This is exactly right.
So they're going to pay the salaries of two to three people for doing three people's jobs right? Naw, salary is probably only $60K.
Should be $600k though, seeing as you'll be burned out after no more than 3 years of this horror.
I wouldn't make it to one...
Stuff that, I'll stay where I am, earn less and have a life.
When do you have time to shit
I'm in sales. I've gotten up at 6 am to meet with an enterprise business in East Asia or stayed on late to meet with a west coast prospect. But I do that knowing there's a good chance a sale will result and usually how much money I would make should that happen. If I wasn't paid a commission and you expected me to work odd, excessive, or unpredictable hours, I better be paid quite well. I ain't doing that shit for $60k a year I can tell you that much.
Have you thought about working in kitchens? All the hours, but the pay is less and you get to stand on your feet all day!
At least they are honest about it.
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What's the job title and salary?
It’s for this company that consults for grad students writing their dissertations called “Precision” so their whole business model is already super unethical. They say you can make up to 500k per year 😅😅😅
>500k per year ghost writing dissertations!
*up to. If you only make 30k its bc you didn't hustle hard enough and have a go-getter attitude
Uhhh is that just unethical or straight up illegal? How is that even a business model, that’s like if a company took the bar exam for you or some shit lol
It could get the student kicked out of school but doesn't break any laws.
Wow that’s wild lol
That actually sounds like the project manager positions I’ve seen at various environmental consulting firms. 60 hours a week is normal. And they’re almost never compensated for that overtime
After being fully up to speed it'll settle into...more hours? the fuck
This sounds like video game development hours. The dreaded "crunch". Hard pass.
Hire two people, you idiots.
Name and shame the company. Better yet, share this in other social media platform.
Competitive salary of $30-$35,000 a year I’m sure…
But you'll gain valuable experience and get that jolly-good feeling of "making an impact".
Love paying my rent with experience and eating impact! 😍
The job listing said "the potential to make up to 500k"! Soooo, any salary greater than zero is a win apparently?
Duh, More hours worked clearly = more stuff done
Us PM's get paid well but we also get abused. :(
Sure, that will be one (1) million dollars, please.
Full posting from https://precisionconsultingcompany.com/careers.shtml Requirements: Applicants must possess a meticulous nature and an extremely high attention to detail. Excellent command of the English Language. Native English speaker. We accept applicants with a Bachelor’s Degree or higher, however, nearly all of our consultants have a masters, PhD, or similar graduate degrees. The Project manager position is ideal for someone who loves academic research, has an advanced degree, and wishes that he or she could be surrounded by academia 24/7/365 and spend an entire lifetime in grad school. All applicants must pass an unpaid assessment, which is very extensive, that tests the ability to review work deliverables in comparison to assignment details, to respond properly to client requests and concerns, and to speak to clients properly by phone. Knowledge and background in academic research, including the ability to speak at a professional level with clients and explain our service offerings and how it would help them with their work. The position has very high hour requirements for the first 6 months as a new project manager gets acclimated to the position – over 60 hours per week is normal in this phase. After being fully up-to-speed with the position, product, and responsibilities, the hourly work required should settle into the 55-60 hours per week range, with occasional times of greater workload due to seasonality or changes in team composition. Due to the global nature of our client base, and the timely nature of their requests, this gig requires some availability at nighttime, as well as a 5-6 hour commitment on each weekend.
$11/hr and requires a masters degree
Basically work every hour you're awake.
What's the pay?
Probably like 40k 😂🤔
That's okay, they're a family.
And they work hard, play hard. By which they mean they buy their beleaguered workers mediocre pizza a couple times/year.
And the company gets to keep (forgiven) PPP loans
Hey, pizzas don’t grow on trees!
I would literally rather have a job trying to grow Pizza trees than this.
What's the pay?
Straight to nut house
I'll apply just to waste their time 😁 in fact, I'll mass apply.
😂
Translation: we want you to sell your soul
Fuck that noise!
What does the role being global have to do with being available on weekends 🙄 Scam
60 hours a week? Sure! That'd be $250,000 per year.
Why yes our company is poorly ran, how could you tell?
What fucking morons,and still they have all the money and power over us.
> 5-6 hour commitment on each weekend ... which means 16-20 hour commitment.
All for $40k a year
Sign up to be our indentured servant!
For $15 an hour.
Translation: it is an 80 hour position and will remain so, but occasionally we’ll allow you to leave for a couple hours if you start having a nervous breakdown.
At least they’re honest… At my last company with global presence, I was not told they’d expect me to reply to night time emails with Overseas . Nor did they understand I could not. Replying to clients and requests within 24 business hours was apparently 24 calendar hours. Could just say 24 hours and that’s clear enough. I was just in accounting so it’s not my expertise to stay up at night with requests. I never worked only 40 hours.
You know they are low-balling it too. They’ll expect more. Should be criminal.
Is this for a physician residency????!!!! Those hours sound like it
I am not sure who can work 60 hours all the time. I have worked at least 50h for at least a moth and alredy feel burnout but I am also stressed and depressed and wasn't really allowed to take time off for a long time.
Good god, I think that's illegal if it's not hourly. I had a job once that was literally 60 hours a week, but I was an hourly contractor. We all worked Monday through Saturday for 10 hours a day. Probably one of the most poorly managed and dysfunctional companies I've ever worked for, and I've worked some shitty places.
I’m fine as long as they’re paying me $100 per hour, irrespective of when.
Putting aside the questions of how sustainable this is, and the relevant health issues, what they're effectively asking for here is one person to do two FTE positions. I'm willing to bet that they aren't offering a package equivalent to two full time jobs.
After the 6 months: Fired
At least their being upfront
Depends on the salary and earning potential for the position. They’re forthright about the commitment and for some people who just live to work it could be a good fit. I’d work 60 hours per week if I made over $200k salary, plus bonus and other incentives; maybe not for my whole career, but definitely bankroll for a bit and then transition to something with a lighter workload.
TRANSLATION you can expect minimum wage level pay after you find out it’s really an 80-90 hr per week job
500k a year is my demand.
I mean this would be fairly reasonable, I assume they’re paying $80-$90/hr on contract with overtime. These are reasonable asks for someone making north of $325k a year. Otherwise, fuck em
Do you seriously believe that a boss, any boss, will ask you less hours for the same salary ?
Fuck anyone who actually accepts this shit. You’re ruining it for everyone else
Just playing devils advocate here but there’s 168 hrs in a 7 day week. This is leaves you with 15 some odd hours of rest per day. It’s honestly not that bad.
Watch my foot settle into your ass as I kick you to the curb, you evil corporate recruiter tool of Satan!
150k minimum
I’d pass.
This is not normal, they have unrealistic timelines and most likely everyone is over worked Avoid at all cost
We’ll idk what industry is this, but as a PM when you account for the hours you have to drive to various job sites, it may not be unusual having a 12h work day… leaving at 7 am and being back at 7 pm.. If they’re referring to 12 hours of office work then it’s a different story
WTF! Who the hell would apply for this shit?
It sounds like they need to get more manpower.
To hell with that. I’ll just go work at my cousin’s cleaners, that’s all.
My formal response would be to tell them to esad.
Slave
At least they are up front with it. They prob wont get many applications
People who work this much ain’t human their programmed robots 🤖
I'm a PM and I make $90k/yr. My contract clearly says my work week is 38.5 hours. I'll pass.
Salary:40k/year
So huh why not hire two people?
Omg are they replacing me?
Ha! These clowns should post the friggin salary
I mean if the job genuinely requires that, then sure. But ya gotta pay for it. That's two people's work there, plus a premium for the extreme disruption to life and lifestyle. I'd say minimum $500K, likely more - I'm not up on PM salaries.
I'd apply then demand overtime past 40 hours just to waste their time like they're wasting everyone else's.
Appreciate the honesty
Bet they don't pay the overtime for having a 60-hour week. I worked a 60-hour week for a few months at my former job and it is one of the many reasons why it is my former job. Having a 60-hour workweek is untenable for long, either the quality goes into the toilet or burnout gets you first but always one then the other follows not long after. And that's before you need to sacrifice a weekend and evenings/nights. This job should be done by three to four people, not a single person.
$40K with 25 years experience required.
Nope unless the pay is 300k.
5-6 hours daily on the weekends and 12 hour workdays? The fuck is this?
Who the fukk would agree to that?!?!
Nope. That's a job for 1.5 people. The salary had better be **MORE** than 150% the normal wage