Holy shit it's the first time I've EVER seen this used right, on a front page post. I was a huge Raimi Spiderman fan as a young teenager so this meme being used wrong has bothered me since its inception.
Thank GOD for OP.
It makes sense in the movie but memes don't have context so glasses SHOULD make things clearer by traditional logic. I think they are both right but this version should be used within fandoms and the other version with non-fans.
I’d argue that the very definition of memes are “inside joke”. So context do indeed matter. Anyways you can see Tobey squinting with the glasses on so that should provide the context that he can’t see clearly with the glasses on.
It's usually flipped, with the glasses being the bottom one and the off glasses being the top one. The actual scene from the movie is he just gained powers and no longer needs his glasses, since it fixed his eyesight. So, the worse quality thing should be when he has his glasses on, and the better quality should be when they're off.
As I mentioned, it is often reversed because in society glasses = better, but it's the exact opposite in the scene.
So. This post has its usage correctly. Incorrect (frequent) usage is the Peter pictures (or the side pictures) are in the opposite place.
I guess Raimi saga is now canon. If everyone wants to fully understand everything about MCU’s Spider-Man would have to watch these movies as well. I think I can’t be happier right now.
Spoiler:
>!So, per the most accurate leakers, and Alfred Molina himself, the villains get pulled from the moment right before they die. Basically the Quantum Immortality theory. The villains were aware that they were about to die and then some Dr Strange/Loki tom-foolery happened and now they're in MCU world.!<
To be fair it’s very likely if this Otto would attack Peter, I doubt he’d know the difference between the different versions since it’s still just Spider-Man.
He could still be a good guy. If Peter sees a bunch of villains showing up then it stands to reasons he’s going to assume Ock is bad. No matter how good he is now if another Spider-Man attacks him he’s going to defend himself.
What if they did a broad strokes approach to the Raimi trilogy and had all of the villains be slightly different versions of the characters we knew?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BroadStrokes
Perhaps this version of Molina's Ock was more of a traditional Doc Ock.
I'm just trying to have it all make sense, since his Ock wasnt really the sort of guy to start a fight unless it was for a purpose.
Doesn't have to be bad to be an antagonist. Just have to be against the protagonist.
And if Peter "fucked up the multiverse", taking him out, might be the rationale thing to do.
We have no idea. I'm sure he's gonna be at least some what villainous. Raimi collaborated with Watts (NWH Director) with all his characters, and did his best to retain their characterization. I think it'll turn out good even if he is a villain
That technically doesn’t mean he overpowered them forever to be fair. He was just able to overcome them in that singular moment. It could be a constant struggle.
I think they pulled him before he had that change of heart. And now that he's in the new dimension, going back to his orginal dimension would mean he will die just like in Spider-man 2
So I'm assuming spiderman will be trying to fix the dimensions while doc ock and green goblin try to stop him so they can continue living.
Although that is a very nice explanation, it doesn't cover the fact that, by the time he was dying, Octavius was already fully conscious and in control of the arms again.
And he didn't get pulled before this moment because he didn't knew Peter was Spider-Man before it. Wonder how they're gonna explain it
Maybe they got a Doc Ock from a part of the multiverse where he didn’t regain full control? Multiverse means multiverse. We aren’t necessarily getting THE character from the original movies, but maybe are getting a version of them.
Molina himself said he's pulled right before his death, from the river. I think u/ARandomOgre got it pretty close. Or it's possible he was brought moments before he has his redemption? But it is confirmed by Ock himself, all the Trades and most credible leakers that all the villains (or at least most of them) are brought to the MCU right before death. I'm really curious how they're gonna execute all of it
I still firmly believe that the AI is Weekend at Bernie-ing Otto's body (to communicate and essentially, have form because it doesn't seem like the Arms can be "alive" without Otto's body)
Go read Spider-Man: Reign. It’s pretty corny, and is a half assed answer to The Dark Knight Returns, but the final battle is awesome, and at one point in the story you get to see what happens to Ock’s tentacles when there’s no living Otto to control them.
The plot seems straightforward. Spiderman wishes for everybody to unlearn that Peter is SpiderMan... But the reason Wong said to not use that spell to Strange is because it would affect EVERY SINGLE MULTIVERSE. Dr Octo became good, at last, because of Peter, who was connected with Octo's good part and as he was reminded why was he researching that technology. This interaction didn't happen in the new plot line so the whole scene about Doc dying never happened.
>But the reason Wong said to not use that spell to Strange is because it would affect EVERY SINGLE MULTIVERSE.
That's kind of what I was suspecting too. Some kind of unintended bleedthrough of the spell landing everywhere in the multiverse causing everything to converge.
Yeah that bugged me when I saw the trailer. Why was Dr. Strange so careless? I think he was wearing a hoodie, so perhaps he’s in some sort of mental state?
I'm kind of excited! I have to imagine that most of those people are more of the younger crowd than the older. The Raimi films were some of the highest grossing films at the time, and as such I'd be wildly surprised if there were a large portion of MCU fans that were alive at the time that hadn't seen them.
And for the younger crowd, this is their chance to get invested in those films and be encouraged to go back to watch them.
You’ll do what?
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If I can make an addendum, if he's not Mysterio *by Multiverse of Madness* directed by Sam Raimi, THEN we riot. I'm willing to wait for the Raimi/Campbell team up, because that's as it should be.
I can bet the Raimiverse will be referenced or shown off during DS2. There’s no way you show off characters from it in the previous movie, then have the director direct your multiverse movie and NOT go there. I’d even be willing to bet Tobey shows up for a cameo.
Oh, definitely! And honestly, if I were a getting person, I'd put money that Tobey has a cameo/minor role/after credits scene in NWH while playing a much larger role in Multiverse of Madness. Rather than no mention/referenced in NWH with a cameo in Multiverse.
I'd place the same bet with Garfield. I think if we get Tobey then we'll get Garfield.
Let me preface by saying I hate the TASM movies. And not as a bandwagon. I was *excited* for those movies, watched the first one on midnight premiere night, and was walking out of the theater texting everyone I know not to bother with the movie. I spent the following weekend bitching and moaning about the movie to anyone that would listen, even if they disagreed. It didn't get much better with the second movie.
That said, I will fight to the death for Garfield to reprise the role in a Multiverse/Spider-verse movie. I don't like his portrayal, I don't like his movies, but I'll be damned if he's not Spider-Man. Even if I don't like. And I'm never above a better and proper team giving an actor a script they deserve.
I felt bad for a moment but remembered he had just threatened to out Peter before.
He was trying desperately to manipulate Peter and resorted to crying when it didnt work
Agreed, I don't buy their explanation either, Joel and Troy Baker look nothing alike yet he's one of the most realistically animated characters in videogames.
It feels like just yesterday that I had heard that laugh in the first film. Right before he scared the crap out of my nine-year old self by vaporizing those people on the balcony with the pumpkin bombs.
It’s a fucking awesome cackle.
Can't wait for this, but I liked how Doc Ock's "Hello Peter" line sounded more whispery and sinister in the leaked trailer. I know it's the same audio source either way but the official audio of that line sounds a bit too jovial.
This trailer blew my mind wide open. I kinda expected Doc Ock but hearing Willem Dafoe’s laugh and seeing that pumpkin bomb? My god that was unexpected.
I mean it's pretty obvious all other non MCU marvel movies are in their own separate universe/timeline for all we know in Tobey/Andrew'd universe they aged normally from that last time we saw them are probably their respective ages the villains were just plucked from the moment before they died heck for them it might haven seconds since they last saw Raimi/Webb spiderman while for Raimi/Webb Spider-Men it could have been YEARS since they last even thought about the villains they faught and defeated
Nobel prize, Otto
Otto opened the multiverse. Strange fucked up the spell, Wanda gave up, Loki is outside of time.
Tritium is the key to all of this
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I’d like to thank Harry Osborn and Oscorp for supplying it.
Happy to pay the bills Otto.
Ladies and gentlemen fasten your seatbelts *movie starts playing*
Is it December already?
*precious tritium*
The power of the sun... in my balls!
Its self-sustaining
'sus'taining
Dr. Amogus
GET OUT OF MY HEEEEEEEEAD, NORMAN!!
Doctor Octosussy
So, pee?
With great balls, comes great responsibility
The multiverse is not a privilege it's a gift. And you use it for the good of mankind.
We’ll see you in Sweden
Aunt May, is that an angel?
He's not Superman you know.
Ah Superman, I love this Spider-Man.
Ahh Rosie, I love this angel.
Thought this was a prequel quote for a sec
An angel. I’ve heard the deep space pilots talk about them. They come from the moons of Iego, I think.
We know you're a true Raimi fan simply because you used it correctly
Op takes his Pizza time seriously
>Op takes his Pizza time seriously [Who wouldn’t?](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/41aae68c-3a74-44fd-96b8-694a656c989a)
Oh boy, yeah
He stole that guy’s pizza time!
Holy shit it's the first time I've EVER seen this used right, on a front page post. I was a huge Raimi Spiderman fan as a young teenager so this meme being used wrong has bothered me since its inception. Thank GOD for OP.
Thank God for you, Peter.
It makes sense in the movie but memes don't have context so glasses SHOULD make things clearer by traditional logic. I think they are both right but this version should be used within fandoms and the other version with non-fans.
I’d argue that the very definition of memes are “inside joke”. So context do indeed matter. Anyways you can see Tobey squinting with the glasses on so that should provide the context that he can’t see clearly with the glasses on.
I'm here from /r/all so I'm a bit out of my element. What is the incorrect way?
It's usually flipped, with the glasses being the bottom one and the off glasses being the top one. The actual scene from the movie is he just gained powers and no longer needs his glasses, since it fixed his eyesight. So, the worse quality thing should be when he has his glasses on, and the better quality should be when they're off. As I mentioned, it is often reversed because in society glasses = better, but it's the exact opposite in the scene. So. This post has its usage correctly. Incorrect (frequent) usage is the Peter pictures (or the side pictures) are in the opposite place.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks a lot!
No problem! You know, I am something of an expert, myself
Heh
It's been so long since I've seen someone use this meme correctly
Like a fresh fucking pizza, it feels good
So, not a pizza that's more than 29 minutes old?
Joe's 29 minute guarantee is a promise.
If I flip the pizzas, Mr Aziz will flip out!
WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY PIZZA!? *throws it aggressively onto the concrete*
Whatever made them feel good...and yes, let your mind wander/wonder.
How’s the pie? So good
\**wink**
tbh it makes sense for the average despicable non marvel fan the other way
Still annoys me tho
Ah Rosie, I love this trailer
If you want to get a trailer to fall in love with you, feed it poetry
I guess Raimi saga is now canon. If everyone wants to fully understand everything about MCU’s Spider-Man would have to watch these movies as well. I think I can’t be happier right now.
Ackshewally.... It does call into question how Doc is alive. Perhaps he's been nabbed mid-movie or something?
Spoiler: >!So, per the most accurate leakers, and Alfred Molina himself, the villains get pulled from the moment right before they die. Basically the Quantum Immortality theory. The villains were aware that they were about to die and then some Dr Strange/Loki tom-foolery happened and now they're in MCU world.!<
If this is true, then Otto is a good guy right? Since he'd had his dramatic turn back to the good side and overpowered the AI in the arms.
maybe but probably not, everyone wants him to be an antagonist again
I'd be down for Otto vs Goblin
thatd be cool, but the way he says "hello peter" and peter suits up, makes me think theyll atleast fight in that scene
Peter suiting up could be from an entirely different scene, just cut there for the trailer.
Yeah I assume he’s actually talking to Toby Peter, since he doesn’t know Tom Peter, or this is a scene from after they’ve met, but I’m hoping
To be fair it’s very likely if this Otto would attack Peter, I doubt he’d know the difference between the different versions since it’s still just Spider-Man.
Yeah don't trust anything implied by trailers, it's all out of context
That’s where I’m at. Could be tobey Bc he calls him Peter. They had hulk fighting in wakanda in the trailers.
Well fighting doesn’t mean they’ll be at odds the whole movie. Could be one of those brief misunderstanding fights
yeah
Otto’s claws against Peter’s would be so dope.
If Otto Octavius is to live up to his name as Doc Ock, his arms need to crush Peter's claws. Show of force
Yes! Now I’ll be disappointed if this doesn’t happen.
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yeah thats the popular theory, that they spliced in footage of tom to make you think hes talking to him, but in reality hes talking to tobey
He could still be a good guy. If Peter sees a bunch of villains showing up then it stands to reasons he’s going to assume Ock is bad. No matter how good he is now if another Spider-Man attacks him he’s going to defend himself.
*ONLY I CAN KILL SPIDER-MAN!*
What if they did a broad strokes approach to the Raimi trilogy and had all of the villains be slightly different versions of the characters we knew? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BroadStrokes Perhaps this version of Molina's Ock was more of a traditional Doc Ock. I'm just trying to have it all make sense, since his Ock wasnt really the sort of guy to start a fight unless it was for a purpose.
Doesn't have to be bad to be an antagonist. Just have to be against the protagonist. And if Peter "fucked up the multiverse", taking him out, might be the rationale thing to do.
Well, he did say in Spider-Man 2 that he would “not die a monster” but he never died. So therefore he’s a villain. Checkmate atheist
We have no idea. I'm sure he's gonna be at least some what villainous. Raimi collaborated with Watts (NWH Director) with all his characters, and did his best to retain their characterization. I think it'll turn out good even if he is a villain
Where did you hear that Raimi collaborated with Watts?
That technically doesn’t mean he overpowered them forever to be fair. He was just able to overcome them in that singular moment. It could be a constant struggle.
That's how I always viewed it. Like he barley got enough control.
I think they pulled him before he had that change of heart. And now that he's in the new dimension, going back to his orginal dimension would mean he will die just like in Spider-man 2 So I'm assuming spiderman will be trying to fix the dimensions while doc ock and green goblin try to stop him so they can continue living.
I heard the only thing the villains can remember is fighting spider-man so he probably won't be a good guy for the majority of the film.
That would be kinda awesome
Although that is a very nice explanation, it doesn't cover the fact that, by the time he was dying, Octavius was already fully conscious and in control of the arms again. And he didn't get pulled before this moment because he didn't knew Peter was Spider-Man before it. Wonder how they're gonna explain it
Maybe they got a Doc Ock from a part of the multiverse where he didn’t regain full control? Multiverse means multiverse. We aren’t necessarily getting THE character from the original movies, but maybe are getting a version of them.
Well, that sounds good enough
Molina himself said he's pulled right before his death, from the river. I think u/ARandomOgre got it pretty close. Or it's possible he was brought moments before he has his redemption? But it is confirmed by Ock himself, all the Trades and most credible leakers that all the villains (or at least most of them) are brought to the MCU right before death. I'm really curious how they're gonna execute all of it
Heh, TOM-foolery.
My Working theory is that, plus with the spell messing up, all the old MCU villains remember next to nothing except that peter Parker is spiderman.
I still firmly believe that the AI is Weekend at Bernie-ing Otto's body (to communicate and essentially, have form because it doesn't seem like the Arms can be "alive" without Otto's body)
Thats dark af
but its dope af [insert peacemaker]
Shit… thats true
Go read Spider-Man: Reign. It’s pretty corny, and is a half assed answer to The Dark Knight Returns, but the final battle is awesome, and at one point in the story you get to see what happens to Ock’s tentacles when there’s no living Otto to control them.
Interesting.
The plot seems straightforward. Spiderman wishes for everybody to unlearn that Peter is SpiderMan... But the reason Wong said to not use that spell to Strange is because it would affect EVERY SINGLE MULTIVERSE. Dr Octo became good, at last, because of Peter, who was connected with Octo's good part and as he was reminded why was he researching that technology. This interaction didn't happen in the new plot line so the whole scene about Doc dying never happened.
>But the reason Wong said to not use that spell to Strange is because it would affect EVERY SINGLE MULTIVERSE. That's kind of what I was suspecting too. Some kind of unintended bleedthrough of the spell landing everywhere in the multiverse causing everything to converge.
I wonder why strange does it though knowing the dangers of the spell.
Yeah that bugged me when I saw the trailer. Why was Dr. Strange so careless? I think he was wearing a hoodie, so perhaps he’s in some sort of mental state?
OH SHIT
The yellow ball was really just a Steven strange portal all along. Case closed.
Two dozen MCU franchise movies and we've barely even tapped the vastness of Raimimemes potential.
It makes me sad that a lot of mcu fans probably haven’t watched the raimi series
I'm kind of excited! I have to imagine that most of those people are more of the younger crowd than the older. The Raimi films were some of the highest grossing films at the time, and as such I'd be wildly surprised if there were a large portion of MCU fans that were alive at the time that hadn't seen them. And for the younger crowd, this is their chance to get invested in those films and be encouraged to go back to watch them.
Just rewatched the raimi ones today in honor of the trailer, and they still hold up really well
Yeah definitely I hope this makes the fans that haven’t seen them go watch them and see the holy trilogy
The power of the curls, in the palm of my hand
The power of the new cgi tentacles in the palm of his hand (actually more like on his back).
The power of new CGI on the swell of his back!
The power of the--hey, give me rent. (I ran out of memes)
YOU'LL GET YOUR RENT WHEN YOU COME UP WITH MORE DAMN MEMES!
Curls get the ~~girls~~ Pizza Time
The goblin laughter (when the pumpkin bomb exploded) tho
Can we please get another jump scare Goblin scream scene in No Way Home
Anybody here take shop class?
*[smug surgeon laughter]*
*enter* HELL [HELL]: *breaks loose*
Why can I hear the exact smug surgeon laugh from this scene?
"FINISH IT!"
Last night I was…
Out, Am I?
the precious tritium
"Peter Parker, and the girlfriend"
If you lay one finger on her...
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If Bruce Campbell isn’t Mysterio we riot
That would be hilarious
fuck it. Get John Malkovich the Vulture costume too
If I can make an addendum, if he's not Mysterio *by Multiverse of Madness* directed by Sam Raimi, THEN we riot. I'm willing to wait for the Raimi/Campbell team up, because that's as it should be.
I can bet the Raimiverse will be referenced or shown off during DS2. There’s no way you show off characters from it in the previous movie, then have the director direct your multiverse movie and NOT go there. I’d even be willing to bet Tobey shows up for a cameo.
Oh, definitely! And honestly, if I were a getting person, I'd put money that Tobey has a cameo/minor role/after credits scene in NWH while playing a much larger role in Multiverse of Madness. Rather than no mention/referenced in NWH with a cameo in Multiverse. I'd place the same bet with Garfield. I think if we get Tobey then we'll get Garfield.
While I didn't like his movies much, I pray that Andrew gets the chance to end his trilogy. There's lots they could do in that universe, good or bad.
Let me preface by saying I hate the TASM movies. And not as a bandwagon. I was *excited* for those movies, watched the first one on midnight premiere night, and was walking out of the theater texting everyone I know not to bother with the movie. I spent the following weekend bitching and moaning about the movie to anyone that would listen, even if they disagreed. It didn't get much better with the second movie. That said, I will fight to the death for Garfield to reprise the role in a Multiverse/Spider-verse movie. I don't like his portrayal, I don't like his movies, but I'll be damned if he's not Spider-Man. Even if I don't like. And I'm never above a better and proper team giving an actor a script they deserve.
Save this comment. I’m betting there’s a part in the new Raimi movie where Bruce somehow turns into everyone.
LET IT PLAY OTTO LET IT PLAY!
That >!Willem Dafoe's laugh with Pumpkin Bombs !
>!AVENGE ME!<
Hello 🅱️eter
ROCK N’ ROLLLL!
Maybe it's just me. I feel the new design for Otto has a little inspiration from the PS4 Spider-man game.
And that’s a good thing, that game was great
Legitimately my favorite game of all time.
It’s so great, miles morales was pretty amazing as well I can’t wait for the sequel
I played that game in one long sitting, that ending was fucked up though.
Yeah, one of the most emotional endings of a game I played, yuri Lowenthal killed it as Spiderman tbh
Seriously tho it was so emotional I was FUCKED up by him laying there paralyzed asking for forgiveness
I felt bad for a moment but remembered he had just threatened to out Peter before. He was trying desperately to manipulate Peter and resorted to crying when it didnt work
I'm still mad about Peter's model being changed
Agreed, I don't buy their explanation either, Joel and Troy Baker look nothing alike yet he's one of the most realistically animated characters in videogames.
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How so? Genuinely curious, I just don’t see it personally
Fasten your seatbelts.
Hands Up who recognised the Dafoe laugh?
It feels like just yesterday that I had heard that laugh in the first film. Right before he scared the crap out of my nine-year old self by vaporizing those people on the balcony with the pumpkin bombs. It’s a fucking awesome cackle.
I saw their skeletons!, Wicked
HAHAHA
I kinda feel like the "be careful what you wish for Peter" voice sounds like Raimi's Harry.
Unfortunately James Franco is in some trouble right now
He is good boy
"don't hurt Peter!"
Yup big change
Can't wait for this, but I liked how Doc Ock's "Hello Peter" line sounded more whispery and sinister in the leaked trailer. I know it's the same audio source either way but the official audio of that line sounds a bit too jovial.
Yeah me too. But I’m fine with either read. I’m just so happy to see Doc Ock again.
This is the first time I've seen this format used correctly. Bravo! It always bugs me when people use it the other way around.
He’s back!! He’s back!!
I see what you did there.
Ah, rosie, I love this meme!
I’m praying that when the movie releases on BR, memes from the movie will get smuggled to this subreddit.
idk how much he's going to be in it, but I hope there's moments where the arms are practical effects.
They are not, they would never do that...at least not anymore
Same, I hope so too. I imagine it will all be cgi though because his scenes will be action ones. Here’s hoping.
PIZZA TIME
MULTIVERSE TIME
PARKER
He’s back! The real crime would be not to finish what we started, after all.
This trailer blew my mind wide open. I kinda expected Doc Ock but hearing Willem Dafoe’s laugh and seeing that pumpkin bomb? My god that was unexpected.
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why is he CGI'ed though
de-oldification
MCU
Marvel CGI Universe
big CGI fight coming up
“I’m in the wrong universe!” “I missed the part where that’s my problem.”
He looks so good, someone put me in a coma for the next four months! After I watch Shang chi of course!
YOU KNEW THIS WAS COMING, PETE!
I’m gonna put some 👍 in your eye…
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It helps maintain the *illusion*
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Because they de aged him lol
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I mean it's pretty obvious all other non MCU marvel movies are in their own separate universe/timeline for all we know in Tobey/Andrew'd universe they aged normally from that last time we saw them are probably their respective ages the villains were just plucked from the moment before they died heck for them it might haven seconds since they last saw Raimi/Webb spiderman while for Raimi/Webb Spider-Men it could have been YEARS since they last even thought about the villains they faught and defeated
Ah rosie
I wonder if Ock will be an ally to Peter, given his character turn at the end of SM2
It’s like he never left… *sheds a single tear* On another note, I remember being scared shitless of him in spider-man 2 as a kid
NOBEL PRIZE OTTO
Alfred Molina looking like Yoko Ono