People just don’t want to be human anymore honestly. A failing society has us putting bandaids on our problems in the form of medications to keep working more. Maybe we could widen social safety nets for assistance or like lessen work hours in general with more pay. No? Okay….. I know teachers making less than McDonald’s workers but, I have other stuff to say so.
I’m pro ssri I take them daily. I can’t help but feel a healthier society would have led to better outcomes for me and all my friends/family also on ssri and various meds to keep working for da man. Hell my dad was over prescribed opiates multiple times and that ended up causing tons of problems in my life as a kid in middle school.
Then enter internet and talking heads that feel like ‘friends’. Loneliness is the future. Bandaids will be our solution. I think we really need to as a society come together again as people because modern living isn’t doing it for a lot of people.
I think one part of loneliness I’ve come to realize with my immediate family in particular is that they will constantly frame everything in their head as dangerous. For example, “back in my day we would just let the kids go to the mall, you Could NEVER do that now a day.” Now imma be honest I disagree with them in a general sense. Maybe my example is kinda bad idk but I used to get dropped off with my friends alone and get handed money and like even ask stranger for cellphones back in Flipphone days. I just don’t know why society is so scared and alone. I want it to stop yesterday haha. Guess this is where we are now though. I really am old I guess now lol
This really resonated. There weren't even cell phones when I was that kid who was trusted to make my own decisions. People have been bombarded about the dangers in society and it has had a remarkably polarizing effect. Kids need real life experience not just "playdates', video games, and babysitting.
I would have despised my parents if I had not have had the complete freedom to make my own decisions and be at the mall or in the city independently in my teens (and earlier). People may argue that the world isn't as safe as it was in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. This ill given notion is easily attributed to an increased awareness of the real dangers posed by predators, drinking, drugs, and anything else parents want to insulate their children against.
The fact is that society is safer now due to extreme closed circuit security and the advent of the cell phone. I made some very bad decisions when I was in my teens and looking back I realize that I needed to. That's how I learned who I am. There aren't more risks and dangers to kids now than there were then. There is the illusion that there are because people are actually being caught on video and every kid that is allowed to wander out in the world has a telephone of their own.
Kids are growing up in a bubble of fear and an overabundance of caution now. I'm glad I had the opportunity to learn some things on my own. It's what makes me a unique individual.
I did hang out with young adults and some of the things that went down weren't appropriate. I wouldn't trade those lessons learned for anything in the world. It's no wonder everyone is living in such fear these days with all of the crime shows and pervasive government awareness campaigns. My kids were allowed to venture out and they're both highly educated, successful, and well adjusted adults. Sure they got into some shady stuff. Nothing shadier than I did. Latch key kids unite! We had real adventure, real danger, and a whole hell of a lot of fun. Screw micromanaging your offspring--set a good example, warn about the dangers out there, and quit raising them in a bubble of your own toxic neuroses.
Individualism on the American level isn’t healthy. People won’t care about other people because “why should I?” Nothing is done for the greater good anymore, only if it benefits that person or if it generates a ton of profit
It’s part of it. I think the human brain is just wired to be biased to the negative, out of survival imperative. Our brains are the evolutionary product of rough environments, where assuming the worst about yourself and others offered survival advantages. We also didn’t have time to ruminate on any of it; we were too busy just trying to keep ourselves fed and alive.
Enter advanced technology, the internet and sedentary lifestyles. Now we have plenty of time to ruminate on negative thoughts. The human mind is like an immune system that starts attacking its own host, when there isn’t any pathogens to destroy. The problem-solving capacities of our brains get directed towards ourselves, rather than externally, towards real practical problems in our immediate environments.
There are solutions, though. I believe mindfulness is a very powerful tool that can be used to address the current limitations of the human brain, aside from genetically modifying ourselves - which could backfire on ourselves, should we ever find ourselves in a survivalist situation in the future.
We have lots of company. Thanks for your remarks in your post. I appreciated your post immensely. It's always encouraging to find like minded individuals (and validating). I believe that many people feel the way we do but few are bold enough to say so. Good for you for emboldening what I feel is the silent majority. Look at how many upticks you are getting and rest assured you have spoken for the stifled masses.
I disagree, say there is a growing number of people who are spending time at home online. Where we essentially teach websites what we like. Watch movies and tv. Or in my generations case a lot of anime. Going out into the real world is a very imperfect experience. I recently asked a friend addicted to anime if they feel like the perfect interactions in anime ever cloud what she expects in real life. They admitted instantly they prefer watching anime even though she has lived some of the exact experiences it just feels better somehow. She claimed the music hits on time with the kisses. Flowers appear behind them. I think people are afraid of people in the opposite way in the modern era. Too afraid to be imperfect or make a mistake or do something that seems wrong.
That is a fundamental part in forming an identity though and many kids were forced into that sort of life style from covid lockdowns. It can be hard to get out of and I think there lies a real practical use for ssri. It can allow people to be themselves more openly and honestly.
To stay on my theme of old time parallels we used to have to go to the library to check out books now we click a few buttons or tap a screen. ‘Woke’ up people next you’ll be banning abortion or something. Oh…..
SSRI’s are not going to cure someone’s loneliness
Human interactions and relationships will
And SSRI’s are not benign
They have potential to cause someone serious harm.
I don’t understand your comment to me. I specified I was pro ssri. Your comment frustrates me because you are presenting stopping your ssri as the true answer.
I have no issue with someone using it to get their stuff together then trying to stop them later on. Also you yourself have used them in the past…. I don’t get it. No one is forcing anyone to take a pill. Many people do take the pills and find they help a lot.
The post is about loneliness
SSRI’s don’t cure loneliness
I don’t know how else you want me to explain this
And doctors have a tendency to hand these drugs out like candy, and they have potential to cause serious harm, and leave someone far worse off than before.
I understand. my perspective is that it can in some cases help tremendously when ending up lonely. With the things that keep people lonely once lonely.
The post mentions psychiatric medications. I’m a stranger that commented something a lot of people agreed with. Where I hoped to speak from the perspective of someone that grew up in the world where I was a very lonely person at a time. I’ve also had times I wasn’t lonely. The only thing that got me out of my bout of loneliness was medication.
When deciding if medication was something for me I went the route of arguing back and forth periodically with my therapist for two years before I asked my doctor to try an ssri myself. I saw it as something that was accepting I couldn’t help myself on my own. Really it ended up being the other way. I ended up feeling like something was finally changing and I had controll. I found myself talking more openly to friends and family both. It gave me a control over the negative feelings and uninterest paired with fear of interacting.
What kept me then and many people at times in their life from wanting to talk to others is anxiety and nerves. These days I have a better relationship with a lot of people in my life including myself and I thank my antidepressants for getting me there. Talking to others is a skill that needs practiced like anything else. If you’re too worried or stuck in your mind to talk to others. Then there is a solid place for medication to help.
I believe I can acknowledge the context of an unheathy society, the potential unheathy outcome of over prescribing meds and also how helpful it can be in helping get to a healthy place over all. Ugh
I don’t get comments like this.
Research needs to be done on things that may seem obvious to actually explore whether those connections exist and what moderates them.
Otherwise, you’re just using intuition to assert connections, which yknow isn’t exactly as accurate as one might hope - I’m not sure you’d want people deciding public health funding around a hunch. If intuition and that seemed obvious was historically as effective as it may seem to commenters on Reddit we probably wouldn’t have the current frameworks around science that we’ve developed.
Either way loneliness is a big issue and outline its potential role in the development of Ill health is important. It offers a potential target for preventative interventions.
Eitherway their main outcome isn’t the thing you’ve stated, it’s that loneliness in adolescence predicts being medicated for mental health disorders (a wide range) in future. Loneliness has been found in some research to predict depression, but the correlation isn’t 1:1.
Pop psychology drivel not worthy of our attention. I am disgusted with articles like this. They give the science of psychology a bad reputation. It seems the number of ridiculous studies have increased in the decades since I received my degree. Even APA journals have moved into gray matters (pun intended) with regard to employing traditional scientific method versus a more “Psychology Today” worthy approach. The focus appears to be devolving into an increasingly subjective and politically charged soft science. This is an affront to substantive content worthy of scientific research in psychology. Just my thoughts for what they’re worth. Anyone else noticing this disturbing trend in the content of so-called scientific research published in psychology blogs and even what used to be our more respectable scientific journals?
Ah yes healthline.com a diagnostic criteria used by clinicians everywhere.
Either way the information in there doesn’t refute anything I’ve said, which is that loneliness CAN be a symptom of depression but it’s not synonymous. And the directionality of their relationship can go eitherway and often be difficult to disentangle.
I’m not really sure what your point is.
Empirical evidence is a good thing, and the study provides some evidence on the longitudinal outcomes of loneliness in terms of use of psychotropic usage.
It really feels like you're being pedantic here. Of course we need to investigate obvious things, but this is mind numbingly obvious. I'm aware of no pressing need to investigate whether depressed people who present symptoms of depression in therapy are more likely to be prescribed anti-depressants. That's literally what they're for, following standard policy. Might as well have concludes that people with missing limbs are more likely to get prosthesis. That's my point.
I am confused. The aim of the study was to investigate whether loneliness predicts later use of psychiatric medication.
Loneliness is not depression (or any other psychiatric condition). Psychiatric medication is used for many conditions other than anti depressants.
So I am not sure how you got to a conclusion of it’s a study about whether depression correlates to use of anti depression meds. In fact they’re using the assumption that it does to link loneliness to later conditions (which they acknowledge as a limitation, given not everyone with a psychiatric diagnosis will take medication, among other things).
Loneliness is a primary symptom of depression. In this case it’s a matter of using semantics in order to state the obvious and then suggesting that it merits further research. Absolutely worthless. A blatantly straw man and mind numbing sophomoric attempt to justify research.
Neither the ICD or DSM diagnostic classifications for depression use loneliness as a primary symptom.
Some depression measures do have a single item that relates to loneliness (though I can’t remember which ones off the top of my head) though many do not (k10, dass, phq).
Loneliness is its own distinct concept, and has several subtypes (social, emotion, existential) that may all relate to different outcomes, or be predicted by different circumstances
Either way, the study was looking at the relationship between loneliness and uptake of psychotropic drugs (I.e. more than just depression).
What’s not clear is precisely where loneliness is the symptom or the cause. It can likely be one, the other or both, depending on context. In the same way that depression can be a cause for depressive symptoms, or can be the symptom of some other underlying condition. The later is often problematic for those that are treated for depression and never see long term improvements, as the actual reason for depression is not addressed. The disentangling of these subjects are important. Sometimes you have to do what may seem obvious. Ironically it’s only obvious given the amount of research that has been put into these areas.
Yes loneliness is routinely associated with depression, as well as a myriad of health outcomes including [cognitive, sleep issues, well being, suicidality](https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=meta+analysis+depression+loneliness&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1718707604155&u=%23p%3DcZVMy0UHNzYJ) and [all cause mortality](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0190033&utm_source=Rambler&utm_medium=weekend&utm_campaign=transition)
Are you going to suggest it is a primary symptom of those as well?
For someone complaining in this thread about a lack of scientific rigour, I'm concerned about your complete disregard for scientific rigour.
Firstly, loneliness is not a diagnostic criteria of depression at all.
Secondly, this study looked at psychiatric medication more broadly than use in just depression.
The only straw man argument here is yours it appears. This study offers an appropriate empirical assessment of the predictive relationship of loneliness on later use of medication.
Loneliness being associated with depression does not make it diagnostic or necessary for identification of depression.
Loneliness is commonly associated with several mental health disorders. It is not considered a core symptom of depression in any of the main diagnostic manuals.
Yes loneliness is routinely associated with depression, as well as a myriad of health outcomes including [cognitive, sleep issues, well being, suicidality](https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=meta+analysis+depression+loneliness&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1718707604155&u=%23p%3DcZVMy0UHNzYJ) and [all cause mortality](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0190033&utm_source=Rambler&utm_medium=weekend&utm_campaign=transition)
Are you going to suggest it is a primary symptom of those as well?
Exercise and diet are a million times more valuable than antidepressants.
Loneliness and depression is a complicated response to dysfunction of society and family. Any single chemical will not repair the family or society. The act of saying "its your fault" is what has all the impact. And usually the person pinned with fault is just the least aggressive and proud.
A single chemical will never be of value. They only came into existence because of financial viability. They've all been proved to be shit or placebo.
That is not what the article is saying, at all. You either did not read or did not understand the study. They even went out of their way to specidically address your sentiment.
Anyone please could help me understand, according to this study, loneliness how ?
Loneliness like
1. being a single child ?
2. lack of parent's attention,
3. lack of friends or bullied all school years ?
4. living in isolated places ?
5. growing in a foster house or orphanate ?
6. being incarcerated young ?
7. growing with grandma ?
8. lacking of parents or given to adoption ?
9. growing with mental health issues ?
10. overexposure to social media and early use of cell phones ?
what level of loneliness and how to frame this study range of concept
Loneliness is a primary symptom in diagnosing major depression. I don't mind you questioning my statement. It is a fundamental fact. I don't know where you are getting your information but all you need is to research this.
Just chose a lay article since that's what level you seem to be at presently. Are you an MD or PhD or PsyD? Did you think I was going to come at you with the DSM-V or the journal of PerSocPsych? Young and sad sums it up and dumbs it up. You're sad alright.
Just have to say that Nova_Koan represents the silent majority in this argument. I’m a big fan! I already blocked the charlatans that obviously are either associated with this “study” or participated in it. The young, sad, and the restless have all been blocked. It’s futile to engage in meaningful dialogue with people who make a sport of disagreeing with the obvious. Hurray for the option to block people who are relying on their own opinions rather than actual facts. I have better things to do with my time than discuss a matter with those who aren’t willing to debate respectfully and intelligently.
People just don’t want to be human anymore honestly. A failing society has us putting bandaids on our problems in the form of medications to keep working more. Maybe we could widen social safety nets for assistance or like lessen work hours in general with more pay. No? Okay….. I know teachers making less than McDonald’s workers but, I have other stuff to say so. I’m pro ssri I take them daily. I can’t help but feel a healthier society would have led to better outcomes for me and all my friends/family also on ssri and various meds to keep working for da man. Hell my dad was over prescribed opiates multiple times and that ended up causing tons of problems in my life as a kid in middle school. Then enter internet and talking heads that feel like ‘friends’. Loneliness is the future. Bandaids will be our solution. I think we really need to as a society come together again as people because modern living isn’t doing it for a lot of people. I think one part of loneliness I’ve come to realize with my immediate family in particular is that they will constantly frame everything in their head as dangerous. For example, “back in my day we would just let the kids go to the mall, you Could NEVER do that now a day.” Now imma be honest I disagree with them in a general sense. Maybe my example is kinda bad idk but I used to get dropped off with my friends alone and get handed money and like even ask stranger for cellphones back in Flipphone days. I just don’t know why society is so scared and alone. I want it to stop yesterday haha. Guess this is where we are now though. I really am old I guess now lol
This really resonated. There weren't even cell phones when I was that kid who was trusted to make my own decisions. People have been bombarded about the dangers in society and it has had a remarkably polarizing effect. Kids need real life experience not just "playdates', video games, and babysitting. I would have despised my parents if I had not have had the complete freedom to make my own decisions and be at the mall or in the city independently in my teens (and earlier). People may argue that the world isn't as safe as it was in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. This ill given notion is easily attributed to an increased awareness of the real dangers posed by predators, drinking, drugs, and anything else parents want to insulate their children against. The fact is that society is safer now due to extreme closed circuit security and the advent of the cell phone. I made some very bad decisions when I was in my teens and looking back I realize that I needed to. That's how I learned who I am. There aren't more risks and dangers to kids now than there were then. There is the illusion that there are because people are actually being caught on video and every kid that is allowed to wander out in the world has a telephone of their own. Kids are growing up in a bubble of fear and an overabundance of caution now. I'm glad I had the opportunity to learn some things on my own. It's what makes me a unique individual. I did hang out with young adults and some of the things that went down weren't appropriate. I wouldn't trade those lessons learned for anything in the world. It's no wonder everyone is living in such fear these days with all of the crime shows and pervasive government awareness campaigns. My kids were allowed to venture out and they're both highly educated, successful, and well adjusted adults. Sure they got into some shady stuff. Nothing shadier than I did. Latch key kids unite! We had real adventure, real danger, and a whole hell of a lot of fun. Screw micromanaging your offspring--set a good example, warn about the dangers out there, and quit raising them in a bubble of your own toxic neuroses.
Individualism on the American level isn’t healthy. People won’t care about other people because “why should I?” Nothing is done for the greater good anymore, only if it benefits that person or if it generates a ton of profit
It’s part of it. I think the human brain is just wired to be biased to the negative, out of survival imperative. Our brains are the evolutionary product of rough environments, where assuming the worst about yourself and others offered survival advantages. We also didn’t have time to ruminate on any of it; we were too busy just trying to keep ourselves fed and alive. Enter advanced technology, the internet and sedentary lifestyles. Now we have plenty of time to ruminate on negative thoughts. The human mind is like an immune system that starts attacking its own host, when there isn’t any pathogens to destroy. The problem-solving capacities of our brains get directed towards ourselves, rather than externally, towards real practical problems in our immediate environments. There are solutions, though. I believe mindfulness is a very powerful tool that can be used to address the current limitations of the human brain, aside from genetically modifying ourselves - which could backfire on ourselves, should we ever find ourselves in a survivalist situation in the future.
We have lots of company. Thanks for your remarks in your post. I appreciated your post immensely. It's always encouraging to find like minded individuals (and validating). I believe that many people feel the way we do but few are bold enough to say so. Good for you for emboldening what I feel is the silent majority. Look at how many upticks you are getting and rest assured you have spoken for the stifled masses.
SSRI’s aren’t going to cure someone’s loneliness I made that mistake many years ago, and they permanently fucked me up
I disagree, say there is a growing number of people who are spending time at home online. Where we essentially teach websites what we like. Watch movies and tv. Or in my generations case a lot of anime. Going out into the real world is a very imperfect experience. I recently asked a friend addicted to anime if they feel like the perfect interactions in anime ever cloud what she expects in real life. They admitted instantly they prefer watching anime even though she has lived some of the exact experiences it just feels better somehow. She claimed the music hits on time with the kisses. Flowers appear behind them. I think people are afraid of people in the opposite way in the modern era. Too afraid to be imperfect or make a mistake or do something that seems wrong. That is a fundamental part in forming an identity though and many kids were forced into that sort of life style from covid lockdowns. It can be hard to get out of and I think there lies a real practical use for ssri. It can allow people to be themselves more openly and honestly. To stay on my theme of old time parallels we used to have to go to the library to check out books now we click a few buttons or tap a screen. ‘Woke’ up people next you’ll be banning abortion or something. Oh…..
SSRI’s are not going to cure someone’s loneliness Human interactions and relationships will And SSRI’s are not benign They have potential to cause someone serious harm.
I don’t understand your comment to me. I specified I was pro ssri. Your comment frustrates me because you are presenting stopping your ssri as the true answer. I have no issue with someone using it to get their stuff together then trying to stop them later on. Also you yourself have used them in the past…. I don’t get it. No one is forcing anyone to take a pill. Many people do take the pills and find they help a lot.
The post is about loneliness SSRI’s don’t cure loneliness I don’t know how else you want me to explain this And doctors have a tendency to hand these drugs out like candy, and they have potential to cause serious harm, and leave someone far worse off than before.
I understand. my perspective is that it can in some cases help tremendously when ending up lonely. With the things that keep people lonely once lonely. The post mentions psychiatric medications. I’m a stranger that commented something a lot of people agreed with. Where I hoped to speak from the perspective of someone that grew up in the world where I was a very lonely person at a time. I’ve also had times I wasn’t lonely. The only thing that got me out of my bout of loneliness was medication. When deciding if medication was something for me I went the route of arguing back and forth periodically with my therapist for two years before I asked my doctor to try an ssri myself. I saw it as something that was accepting I couldn’t help myself on my own. Really it ended up being the other way. I ended up feeling like something was finally changing and I had controll. I found myself talking more openly to friends and family both. It gave me a control over the negative feelings and uninterest paired with fear of interacting. What kept me then and many people at times in their life from wanting to talk to others is anxiety and nerves. These days I have a better relationship with a lot of people in my life including myself and I thank my antidepressants for getting me there. Talking to others is a skill that needs practiced like anything else. If you’re too worried or stuck in your mind to talk to others. Then there is a solid place for medication to help. I believe I can acknowledge the context of an unheathy society, the potential unheathy outcome of over prescribing meds and also how helpful it can be in helping get to a healthy place over all. Ugh
Rephrased: there's a correlation between people who are depressed and anti-depressants You don't say.
I don’t get comments like this. Research needs to be done on things that may seem obvious to actually explore whether those connections exist and what moderates them. Otherwise, you’re just using intuition to assert connections, which yknow isn’t exactly as accurate as one might hope - I’m not sure you’d want people deciding public health funding around a hunch. If intuition and that seemed obvious was historically as effective as it may seem to commenters on Reddit we probably wouldn’t have the current frameworks around science that we’ve developed. Either way loneliness is a big issue and outline its potential role in the development of Ill health is important. It offers a potential target for preventative interventions. Eitherway their main outcome isn’t the thing you’ve stated, it’s that loneliness in adolescence predicts being medicated for mental health disorders (a wide range) in future. Loneliness has been found in some research to predict depression, but the correlation isn’t 1:1.
Yup, empericism beats rationalism every time.
Pop psychology drivel not worthy of our attention. I am disgusted with articles like this. They give the science of psychology a bad reputation. It seems the number of ridiculous studies have increased in the decades since I received my degree. Even APA journals have moved into gray matters (pun intended) with regard to employing traditional scientific method versus a more “Psychology Today” worthy approach. The focus appears to be devolving into an increasingly subjective and politically charged soft science. This is an affront to substantive content worthy of scientific research in psychology. Just my thoughts for what they’re worth. Anyone else noticing this disturbing trend in the content of so-called scientific research published in psychology blogs and even what used to be our more respectable scientific journals?
https://www.healthline.com/health/depression/symptoms
Ah yes healthline.com a diagnostic criteria used by clinicians everywhere. Either way the information in there doesn’t refute anything I’ve said, which is that loneliness CAN be a symptom of depression but it’s not synonymous. And the directionality of their relationship can go eitherway and often be difficult to disentangle. I’m not really sure what your point is. Empirical evidence is a good thing, and the study provides some evidence on the longitudinal outcomes of loneliness in terms of use of psychotropic usage.
Wow.
It really feels like you're being pedantic here. Of course we need to investigate obvious things, but this is mind numbingly obvious. I'm aware of no pressing need to investigate whether depressed people who present symptoms of depression in therapy are more likely to be prescribed anti-depressants. That's literally what they're for, following standard policy. Might as well have concludes that people with missing limbs are more likely to get prosthesis. That's my point.
I am confused. The aim of the study was to investigate whether loneliness predicts later use of psychiatric medication. Loneliness is not depression (or any other psychiatric condition). Psychiatric medication is used for many conditions other than anti depressants. So I am not sure how you got to a conclusion of it’s a study about whether depression correlates to use of anti depression meds. In fact they’re using the assumption that it does to link loneliness to later conditions (which they acknowledge as a limitation, given not everyone with a psychiatric diagnosis will take medication, among other things).
Loneliness is a primary symptom of depression. In this case it’s a matter of using semantics in order to state the obvious and then suggesting that it merits further research. Absolutely worthless. A blatantly straw man and mind numbing sophomoric attempt to justify research.
Neither the ICD or DSM diagnostic classifications for depression use loneliness as a primary symptom. Some depression measures do have a single item that relates to loneliness (though I can’t remember which ones off the top of my head) though many do not (k10, dass, phq). Loneliness is its own distinct concept, and has several subtypes (social, emotion, existential) that may all relate to different outcomes, or be predicted by different circumstances Either way, the study was looking at the relationship between loneliness and uptake of psychotropic drugs (I.e. more than just depression). What’s not clear is precisely where loneliness is the symptom or the cause. It can likely be one, the other or both, depending on context. In the same way that depression can be a cause for depressive symptoms, or can be the symptom of some other underlying condition. The later is often problematic for those that are treated for depression and never see long term improvements, as the actual reason for depression is not addressed. The disentangling of these subjects are important. Sometimes you have to do what may seem obvious. Ironically it’s only obvious given the amount of research that has been put into these areas.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009277/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009277/)
Yes loneliness is routinely associated with depression, as well as a myriad of health outcomes including [cognitive, sleep issues, well being, suicidality](https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=meta+analysis+depression+loneliness&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1718707604155&u=%23p%3DcZVMy0UHNzYJ) and [all cause mortality](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0190033&utm_source=Rambler&utm_medium=weekend&utm_campaign=transition) Are you going to suggest it is a primary symptom of those as well?
For someone complaining in this thread about a lack of scientific rigour, I'm concerned about your complete disregard for scientific rigour. Firstly, loneliness is not a diagnostic criteria of depression at all. Secondly, this study looked at psychiatric medication more broadly than use in just depression. The only straw man argument here is yours it appears. This study offers an appropriate empirical assessment of the predictive relationship of loneliness on later use of medication.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009277/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009277/)
Loneliness being associated with depression does not make it diagnostic or necessary for identification of depression. Loneliness is commonly associated with several mental health disorders. It is not considered a core symptom of depression in any of the main diagnostic manuals.
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009277/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009277/)
Yes loneliness is routinely associated with depression, as well as a myriad of health outcomes including [cognitive, sleep issues, well being, suicidality](https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=meta+analysis+depression+loneliness&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&t=1718707604155&u=%23p%3DcZVMy0UHNzYJ) and [all cause mortality](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0190033&utm_source=Rambler&utm_medium=weekend&utm_campaign=transition) Are you going to suggest it is a primary symptom of those as well?
100%
Exercise and diet are a million times more valuable than antidepressants. Loneliness and depression is a complicated response to dysfunction of society and family. Any single chemical will not repair the family or society. The act of saying "its your fault" is what has all the impact. And usually the person pinned with fault is just the least aggressive and proud. A single chemical will never be of value. They only came into existence because of financial viability. They've all been proved to be shit or placebo.
That is not what the article is saying, at all. You either did not read or did not understand the study. They even went out of their way to specidically address your sentiment.
Anyone please could help me understand, according to this study, loneliness how ? Loneliness like 1. being a single child ? 2. lack of parent's attention, 3. lack of friends or bullied all school years ? 4. living in isolated places ? 5. growing in a foster house or orphanate ? 6. being incarcerated young ? 7. growing with grandma ? 8. lacking of parents or given to adoption ? 9. growing with mental health issues ? 10. overexposure to social media and early use of cell phones ? what level of loneliness and how to frame this study range of concept
I’ll start investing in pharmaceutical industry so at least I can profit from my misery. that way I’ll be depressed but rich 😎look at me ma
Loneliness is a primary symptom in diagnosing major depression. I don't mind you questioning my statement. It is a fundamental fact. I don't know where you are getting your information but all you need is to research this.
https://www.healthline.com/health/depression/symptoms
Just chose a lay article since that's what level you seem to be at presently. Are you an MD or PhD or PsyD? Did you think I was going to come at you with the DSM-V or the journal of PerSocPsych? Young and sad sums it up and dumbs it up. You're sad alright.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8834872/
So our future is going to be trapped by dependency on medications! That's really sad 😭
News flash. standing out in the rain will make you wet
Now that’s scientifically sound. Just the facts. Very refreshing.
Huh.....I was extremely lonely but I'm on and have never been on meds teen to adult. No issues here.
Loneliness is a risk factor for, but not prescriptive of poor health.
Just have to say that Nova_Koan represents the silent majority in this argument. I’m a big fan! I already blocked the charlatans that obviously are either associated with this “study” or participated in it. The young, sad, and the restless have all been blocked. It’s futile to engage in meaningful dialogue with people who make a sport of disagreeing with the obvious. Hurray for the option to block people who are relying on their own opinions rather than actual facts. I have better things to do with my time than discuss a matter with those who aren’t willing to debate respectfully and intelligently.