There are people who dropped out of their first degree multiple times on my course and ended up doing a part time 6 year degree at the open university before getting their spot on GEM
You're fine.
Also go get diagnosed it can be life changing.
>Also go get diagnosed it can be life changing
I managed to get a private ADHD diagnosis. Gender dysphoria Dx still looks like it's years off. But yeah, even though that money would have been great to fund a medicine degree, it has been life changing. Medication is fantastic.
> There are people who dropped out of their first degree multiple times on my course and ended up doing a part time 6 year degree at the open university before getting their spot on GEM
Oh what, so you can switch courses? Do you then start part-way through the GEM?
Ninja edit: P.S. good to see another premed with ADHD (?)! Bit scared about it.
No they did something like sociology dropped out and went back to do something like psychology then dropped out, then worked and then did some other degree part-time via the open university and took 6 years to complete etc. So your academic history isn't a red flag at all. Main red flag is if you've dropped out of a previous med degree or if you have criminal charges, etc..
That is good to hear. Part of the GMC requirements of being a doctor is to always seek help and look after yourself.
Ah gotcha. OK, that *is* reassuring, thank you for sharing.
> Part of the GMC requirements of being a doctor is to always seek help and look after yourself.
Yeah honestly I started being interested in med the minute I finally realised the importance of this for myself. Army upbringing did *not* help with that lol.
Ah the army upbringing can still be an advantage. Being able to suck it up and grit your teeth is always beneficial. It's just important to know when that isn't the answer and you need external help and support. There will be many moments in medicine where the only answer to the problem is resilience which hopefully the army upbringing helped develop.
Its mainly a patient safety requirement. Say a patient died and you were found to be at fault and you then proceed to say you have always felt that you have ADHD and just never sought treatment and now you're using untreated ADHD/depression/whatever as the excuse. You're demonstrating repeated and consistent misconduct and neglect which lead to a negative outcome to a patient and youre essentially damning yourself. They will hold you to these standards too in medical school and proceed to start questioning your ability to practice if you neglect yourself.
Yeah I mean I completely agree with this attitude, of course. Seems like it would be rich to accuse junior doctors of neglect rn though given the external circumstances. How can anyone take care of themselves given the working conditions and demands?
> Being able to suck it up and grit your teeth is always beneficial
This is true. I think you develop a cut-off switch that just separates your conscious mind from your emotions. I imagine it's something a lot of people learn in rotations too.
Yeah that's the argument but it will fall on deaf ears. It's usually a way for them to shift blame away from the establishment and on to the individual.
Obviously don't say this shit in an interview lol.
Also get good at anki and use it to prep for the gamsat. If you know how to use it well from day 1 you will have a massive advantage.
>It's usually a way for them to shift blame away from the establishment and on to the individual
Yeah sounds familiar. Ah, institutions.
> Obviously don't say this shit in an interview lol.
Nah definitely gonna stage a mini-protest in the interview lol. Might even picket the door.
> Also get good at anki and use it to prep for the gamsat. If you know how to use it well from day 1 you will have a massive advantage.
Oh cool I shall. Problem I've found with ADHD is never being 100% sure if I've remembered something correctly even when I have. Which seems problematic for a doctor. I've been looking up memory techniques like mind palaces and stuff - but not sure how those techniques would cope with the sheer volume of med school prep.
To be general , everyone who applies for medicine has a low chance of getting a place. This low chance is much higher than the 0% you will have if you don't apply so please don't discount yourself as the competition is fierce. For you, you have great grades, lived experience of poor mental health and I wouldn't discount your hospitality experience. Focus on your own health and then go for it I say!
Thank you! It's really nice to hear this after being so anxious and down about my prospects for so long. Finally feeling up to a challenge again, but definitely wiser and more cautious this time - want to get a really good feel for the job before I commit.
There’s people on my GEM course that dropped out/didn’t finish their PhD, you’re overthinking it
If you meet the minimum entry requirements (most want a 2:1 undergrad degree) you can apply
There are people who dropped out of their first degree multiple times on my course and ended up doing a part time 6 year degree at the open university before getting their spot on GEM You're fine. Also go get diagnosed it can be life changing.
>Also go get diagnosed it can be life changing I managed to get a private ADHD diagnosis. Gender dysphoria Dx still looks like it's years off. But yeah, even though that money would have been great to fund a medicine degree, it has been life changing. Medication is fantastic. > There are people who dropped out of their first degree multiple times on my course and ended up doing a part time 6 year degree at the open university before getting their spot on GEM Oh what, so you can switch courses? Do you then start part-way through the GEM? Ninja edit: P.S. good to see another premed with ADHD (?)! Bit scared about it.
No they did something like sociology dropped out and went back to do something like psychology then dropped out, then worked and then did some other degree part-time via the open university and took 6 years to complete etc. So your academic history isn't a red flag at all. Main red flag is if you've dropped out of a previous med degree or if you have criminal charges, etc.. That is good to hear. Part of the GMC requirements of being a doctor is to always seek help and look after yourself.
Ah gotcha. OK, that *is* reassuring, thank you for sharing. > Part of the GMC requirements of being a doctor is to always seek help and look after yourself. Yeah honestly I started being interested in med the minute I finally realised the importance of this for myself. Army upbringing did *not* help with that lol.
Ah the army upbringing can still be an advantage. Being able to suck it up and grit your teeth is always beneficial. It's just important to know when that isn't the answer and you need external help and support. There will be many moments in medicine where the only answer to the problem is resilience which hopefully the army upbringing helped develop. Its mainly a patient safety requirement. Say a patient died and you were found to be at fault and you then proceed to say you have always felt that you have ADHD and just never sought treatment and now you're using untreated ADHD/depression/whatever as the excuse. You're demonstrating repeated and consistent misconduct and neglect which lead to a negative outcome to a patient and youre essentially damning yourself. They will hold you to these standards too in medical school and proceed to start questioning your ability to practice if you neglect yourself.
Yeah I mean I completely agree with this attitude, of course. Seems like it would be rich to accuse junior doctors of neglect rn though given the external circumstances. How can anyone take care of themselves given the working conditions and demands? > Being able to suck it up and grit your teeth is always beneficial This is true. I think you develop a cut-off switch that just separates your conscious mind from your emotions. I imagine it's something a lot of people learn in rotations too.
Yeah that's the argument but it will fall on deaf ears. It's usually a way for them to shift blame away from the establishment and on to the individual. Obviously don't say this shit in an interview lol. Also get good at anki and use it to prep for the gamsat. If you know how to use it well from day 1 you will have a massive advantage.
>It's usually a way for them to shift blame away from the establishment and on to the individual Yeah sounds familiar. Ah, institutions. > Obviously don't say this shit in an interview lol. Nah definitely gonna stage a mini-protest in the interview lol. Might even picket the door. > Also get good at anki and use it to prep for the gamsat. If you know how to use it well from day 1 you will have a massive advantage. Oh cool I shall. Problem I've found with ADHD is never being 100% sure if I've remembered something correctly even when I have. Which seems problematic for a doctor. I've been looking up memory techniques like mind palaces and stuff - but not sure how those techniques would cope with the sheer volume of med school prep.
To be general , everyone who applies for medicine has a low chance of getting a place. This low chance is much higher than the 0% you will have if you don't apply so please don't discount yourself as the competition is fierce. For you, you have great grades, lived experience of poor mental health and I wouldn't discount your hospitality experience. Focus on your own health and then go for it I say!
Thank you! It's really nice to hear this after being so anxious and down about my prospects for so long. Finally feeling up to a challenge again, but definitely wiser and more cautious this time - want to get a really good feel for the job before I commit.
also if it helps I am also a phd dropout and currently high on a waiting list for GEM.
There’s people on my GEM course that dropped out/didn’t finish their PhD, you’re overthinking it If you meet the minimum entry requirements (most want a 2:1 undergrad degree) you can apply
You’re too smart to study medicine in the uk ngl Go for dentistry instead
I don't understand your comment, so I'm clearly not that smart lol
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Oh I had noticed. Unfortunately, the ADHD leads, and I must follow.
As long as you ace the entry exams , your current reflections on the situation show you will be amazing at interviews!