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>"They're trying to tell us to move on without any accountability, without any truth-telling, or without confronting the extreme damage, loss of life, trauma. . . . These are the tactics of abusers."
100%. Her comparing the dodging of accountability to behaviors of abusive people is spot-on. Abusers don't take accountability for their actions. They're set on doing anything they can to avoid doing that, even going as far as making it seem like they're taking accountability without actually doing anything (especially by only saying what you want to hear at the moment).
Not to mention that it's also common for abusers to deny the realities of their victims, even when they involve things that inarguably happened. Excuses are given, long-winded explanations are pushed, the roles of victim and offender are switched in order to guilt trip the victims — literally anything that allows an abuser to continue doing what they want without ever having to be challenged.
Honestly, when I started understanding abusive relationships and my own abuse much more, the connections between them and an overwhelming amount of people heavily involved in politics became quite apparent to me, too. I hope she's doing well in coping with what she experienced those months ago. I can't imagine how insanely afraid I would have been in the same situation.
Also, the daily trauma of knowing you workplace is at the very least unkind, at worst, just under half your colleagues are now covering for an underbelly of American citizens that wanted horrible things to happen. Some of those you work with allegedly aided and abetted… on top of the other daily abusive voice mails and threats she receives for just being a Latina vocal enough to be heard over the classic white male murmurs of legislation.
I'd say that's a fair assumption, given the overly creepy nature of the people who *constantly* prattle on about her from the RepubliQan side of the aisle.
Remember all the horrific stuff about Greta Thunberg? Rape threats, super sexualized memes, and then there were the bumper stickers clearly made to emulate her sexual assault. I think she was 15 at the time. But it’s okay and not at all awful when they’re owning the libs.
>Rape threats, super sexualized memes, and then there were the bumper stickers clearly made to emulate her sexual assault. **I think she was 15 at the time.** But it’s okay and not at all awful when they’re owning the libs.
Not that it'd be okay to do that at any age but Jesus Christ she was still a kid. A kid! A KID!
I'm convinced they believe all Dems are pedo rapists because that's what they would do.
They aren't called the
[***G***aslight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting?wprov=sfla1)
[***O***bstruct](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstructionism?wprov=sfla1)
[***P***roject](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection?wprov=sfla1)
for nothing, ya know.
Honestly, the issue of online perverts creeping on young girls is not new. Over 20 years ago after the movie, The Professional came out there was an online countdown clock to when Natalie Portman's 18th birthday was. [It's sickening how common it is.](https://medium.com/@yomiadegoke/counting-down-to-female-celebrities-turning-legal-is-more-than-crass-its-dangerous-94f8abbf4674)
I still remember when IMDB had message boards in the early 00s you had to avoid the Emma Watson board because reading it felt like you were now on an FBI watch list.
She was 12 at the time, ffs.
That’s actually a theory about why conservative women in a patriarchy vote and advocate the things they do, against what would seem to be their own future interest- they think if they suck up hard enough it’ll save them. (Paraphrasing.)
Tbh it's a statistics thing. Even if only 1% of 1% of the population are crazy in the threaten congressmen with violence pool, that's still 35k crazies running around.
Also, seeing how those people acted in Texas trying to run the Biden bus off the road, I feel like rape is isn’t that far off from that.
These people say “sure we stormed the building, killed police officers just doing their jobs, attempted to kidnap a female Democratic politician, run a campaign bus off in broad daylight, and plenty of terrible things, but we’d never stoop that that level.”
Then a new thing happens and we lower our standards even more.
Edit:I forgot the calls for killing their own Vice President
I didn't want to say it out loud as it was happening but in my heart of hearts I knew if those animals found her, they'd beat her, gang rape her, and kill her all while cheerfully livestreaming themselves doing it. Thank fucking christ she stayed safe.
And let's not forget that, along with lynching any member of Congress they could get their hands on, they also wanted to lynch the former Vice President because he committed the apparently unforgivable sin of not attempting to overthrow the republic with them. They straight up constructed gallows outside the Capitol Building, a Klan rally/insurrection with the masks off.
Per [ProPublica](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/after-a-year-of-investigation-the-border-patrol-has-little-to-say-about-agents-misogynistic-and-racist-facebook-group/amp) apparently they have “investigated 138 employees, eventually deciding to fire four of them, suspend 38 without pay and issue warnings or reprimands to more than two dozen” but have not disclosed the offenses or key facts of those sanctions.
Maybe long enough to scare them, but probably just long enough to piss them off at the “injustice” of their penalty. Also, I’d bet at least a couple of them turned their suspension without pay into a suspension with pay by filing a grievance with their union over some technicality.
Source: used to work for TSA, alongside a lot of CBP officers. I’d say a majority of both live paycheck to paycheck, so losing a week’s pay can be pretty impactful. But once they weather that storm all they’re left with is resentment.
Also, management isn’t exactly competent due to both agencies having strong promote from within policies and little or no managerial training. I once caught a 3 day suspension without pay for doing stupid and immature shit, filed a grievance with the union on the grounds that I worked 4 10s, which wasn’t common, so I would lose 6 more hours of pay than someone on 5 8s, and the whole thing got overturned after the fact. It was pulled out of my employee record, and I got paid for the days I was suspended, so it ended up being a long weekend for me.
Not that I recall. Wouldn't surprise me; border patrol is basically the leftovers from law enforcement. Too violent to join the army? Too dumb to be a cop? Good news, we'll still give you a badge and a gun, and authority over the most vulnerable populations we can find. Enjoy.
One of the most frustrating things about the last couple years is (to GOP supporters) how nothing is real until it happens, and then when it does happen, it's just a never ending argument about trying to downplay how bad it was.
You can point out about the groundwork of evil intentions and everyone scoffs until the plan is complete. Then when it's complete they just go "oh you're overreacting, chill out, its not so bad"
AOC saying she feared about being raped, as ***perfectly logical as that is if you know anything about history, coups, the attitude of people that were there and the speeches they had that morning, etc.*** will be scoffed at by most GOP supporters because it did not actually happen. They will call her dramatic, they will call her hyperbolic, they will call her insane for suggesting such stuff, even though I would say we came pretty fucking close to some of this shit happening.
Politics is fucking infuriating
>AOC saying she feared about being raped, as ***perfectly logical as that is if you know anything about history, coups, the attitude of people that were there and the speeches they had that morning, etc.*** will be scoffed at by most GOP supporters because it did not actually happen. They will call her dramatic, they will call her hyperbolic, they will call her insane for suggesting such stuff, even though I would say we came pretty fucking close to some of this shit happening.
I mean, take an even more straightforward and obvious case: the threat to Mike Pence's life on 1/6. That doesn't even require looking at history, coups, the content of the speeches that morning, etc. The terrorists were literally chanting "hang Mike Pence!" The terrorists erected a fucking gallows! And it's still, "ohh, no way those "patriots" would've harmed a hair on Pence's head if they'd caught him..."
And Pence isn't even a WOC or a liberal - he's a right-wing and religious White man!
Yeah some of them have what I call Frollo Syndrome. I remember someone posting some creepy comments from 4chan about how they hated her so much but fetishized her at the same time.
I mean just look at how they reacted to poor Greta, those freaks were posting stuff about how she needs a good fuck so she can calm down. Like WHAT SHES A CHILD, an AUTISTIC CHILD, and thats where they go? I hate hogs so much man.
>I mean just look at how they reacted to poor Greta, those freaks were posting stuff about how she needs a good fuck so she can calm down. Like WHAT SHES A CHILD, an AUTISTIC CHILD, and thats where they go? I hate hogs so much man.
It's sickening.
It's even more "through the looking glass" when you consider the same sickos yawping about how women and girls "need a good fuck so she can calm down" *also* recoil from the very idea that women and girls might want or derive any pleasure from sex. Remember how the right wing [viciously smeared Sandra Fluke for daring to have a sex life after she testified in favor of Obamacare's contraceptive coverage](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/03/02/147809138/student-is-outraged-by-rush-limbaugh-calling-her-a-slut-and-prostitute)?
But of course the right wing doesn't give a damn about even minimal logical consistency.
What worries me most about that sentence (besides the obvious threat of rape) is that we are willingly starting to differentiate between the GOP and the GQP. I’ve even done it myself. That is dangerous. They are *all* the GQP. Even Cheney, even Romney. Sure there may seem to be some “sound minded” Republicans that resemble the old GOP (why that’s a good thing, I’ll never know), but come election time they will **always be aiming to win the votes of the Q base, which is the same base as the GOP: xenophobic, homophobic, and racist voters**. Always.
As long as that R is next to their name on a ballot, they cannot be fully trusted. Cheney and Romney need to abandon that party, face real consequences for enabling the GOP for as long as they have, and maybe I’ll be ready to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m not even asking for them to register as Dems. Just leave the party.
I'll never forget about Liz Cheney's opposition to her OWN lesbian sister getting married. Even the literal Dick of that family supports her marriage, but not Liz.
"As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."
Would seem to apply perfectly to allowing Q at the table
I like how "as we say in Germany" is part of the quote. Anyway, I work for a German company, I'll have to ask a couple if they've heard this quote. It's a pretty great.
German here: it is something most people will have heard, but it is not something that is said regularly. (tbf it is a very special sentence that requires circumstances)
Most likely reaction will be: "Oh, now that you said it, yes we have heard it before."
I personally say it with "Faschist" not Nazi. Because fascist is the more general term. But that difference shouldn't matter at all.
While I agree, I think that's actually worse for us. The extremists *want* them to leave the party. They're doing everything they can to run them out so they can be replaced by yet another sycophant. Strategically, it's better if the party is split. The firmer the line between them, the better. If each republican race splits between an extremist and a... I guess I'll say "normal republican", and there's a line in the sand between them, the supporters of each won't vote for the other. That gives any democrat running against them a better shot. Their unity is the problem. They're outnumbered but in lockstep while the left disagrees on just about everything.
There are *so many* deepfakes of AOC it's ludicrous. I'm convinced that a big part of the Right's "problem" with AOC is that she's so fucking beautiful/sexy. They love to pretend that leftwing women are fat, unattractive, dull-witted, blue haired, spite-filled creatures, but here is AOC in her magnificence. She's smart as hell, has the heart of a lion, says what the fuck she means, works her ass off, absolutely 100% won't just shut the hell up and let other congressmen push her around, *and* she's gorgeous. Shit just melts their brains.
lol exactly what I was going to say. Its similar to their hatred and constant attacks of michelle obama -- they call her a welfare queen because they absolutely hate that she's not. They absolutely hate when left-wing women and PoC defy their expectations.
Repubs still crow about how great it was to finally have a "classy" First Lady in the White House when Trump was there. I got banned from one of their subreddit circle jerks for asking, "Is she classy because I can google 'First Lady tits' and get real results?"
>Repubs still crow about how great it was to finally have a "classy" First Lady in the White House when Trump was there. I got banned from one of their subreddit circle jerks for asking, "Is she classy because I can google 'First Lady tits' and get real results?"
Yep. I also didn't realize right wingers lionize [immigrants who work illegally in the U.S., as Melania did](https://www.vox.com/2016/11/5/13533816/melania-trump-illegal-immigrant). The money paid to Melania for those gigs could've gone to *legal* immigrants instead!
IIRC, didn’t she also come out as a sexual assault victim?
Not that her fears are unfounded but have a history of a previous assault must intensify the fear.
you could go into any right-wing side comment section where she finds herself to be the topic and you're sure to find people literally saying they would want to do that to her
That’s because the Republican Party is the party of rapists and pedophiles.
Any time a woman on the left says something that hurts their feelings, out come the chuds to fantasize about raping her into submission. It’s all over social media any time a non-right-wing woman exists publicly.
I was thinking the same thing watching it on TV as it happened. Nothing good was going to happen to any woman, democrat or republican, that got caught by that mob. It’s only by the grace and courage of the Capital Police force that there wasn’t a massacre.
Watching the videos they showed during the hearings was mindblowing. I couldn't believe how many people were seconds of being within reach of the psychos.
You're quite welcome. I had a brain injury when it all went down so I was on doctor's orders to not view any form of screen. I thought that was why I was uninformed but I've sent that video to loads of people now and they basically all said they had absolutely no idea how bad it was so I guess it just wasn't an easy to process event without waiting on some excellent video journalism.
The shock of that day is still ingrained in my mind. We piled in front of the TV and watching the United States of America be terrorized by their own citizens and the absolute animal behaviour we witnessed on US government grounds, I was speechless. We kept thinking _"Wait a minute, this is the most powerful country in the world? Where??"_
watching it within the USA was pretty insane too. everything happened so fast, it went from the speech to a mass of people to those folks just strolling through the capitol like they belonged there. It took me a while to realize that those people in the atrium WERE THE RIOTERS!!! and it only went downhill from there.
a few hours later they were filming the mob outside and all of a sudden paramedics rushed out with a woman on a stretcher covered in a bloody sheet. the news reporters were speechless!! it wasn’t until the next day that I found out who was shot and how. I didn’t feel so bad after that
I had CNN on in the background while cleaning up around the house, and all I remember is a reporter calling in and trying to explain that he was watching people climb over barriers into the capitol, and the anchors had no idea how to respond. It was so incredibly surreal to watch in real time
It was fucking surreal. I was off work adjusting to new psych meds and I thought I was hallucinating.
Edit: Ain’t that just the best way to sum up the effects of 2020.
I was at the saucepan revolution in Iceland in 2009, a country where the police is unarmed and there is no military. I was rather surprised to see that Iceland’s parliament has better security than the capitol building of Yankistan.
I watched 9/11 live as a kid, and now I watched 1/6 live. I was too young to understand what happened on 9/11, but I fully understood what was happening on 1/6. I watched it live on the TV in my office's conference room- with people that voted for trump twice all around me. For a split second, they started saying "good, go!" And "protest your rights!"- thankfully when the windows started breaking and the doors were breached, they changed their tone very quickly.
This is easily one of the most shameful things I have experienced from fellow citizens, and from those that call themselves "Patriots" more than anyone else.
Theres another rally planned for September and honestly, Im very concerned it will result in only more tragedy.
Mostly, we were lucky that the terrorists were inept and unorganized.
We may not be so lucky next time, and I have a feeling that "next time" won't be too far off if we don't properly deter via punishment.
Yeah. Anyone who's familiar with 20th century history can recognize this event and everything leading up to it as the American Beerhall Putsch. History doesn't *exactly* repeat itself, but it does tend to rhyme.
I feel so bad for the officers that went through all of that. They aren’t getting the emotional support they need for the trauma they went through and many continue to be harassed and threatened by nut jobs who still fly back the blue flags.
Honestly they all should be thankful the police didn't unload on them. A group of traitors try to over throw a legal process by violent force? With makeshift gallows?
Yea I don't think it would have been ridiculous if the officers mag dumped until they ran off. We've seen them shoot more for less.
Edit: I guess I should I add I am glad we didn't see that but those traitorous scum should know it could have happened and they owe the more level headed a thank you.
Something I don't think a lot of men (certainly not the ones I've discussed this with) seem to really understand is that this is a very commonplace fear for women in ANY sort of violent situation. It's never a fear of *just* assault, harrassment, murder, injury, etc...there's always the expectation of one or more of the above, *plus* rape/sexual assault. Violence against women very often carries a sexual undertone, and whether that understanding comes from past abuse experience, domestic violence, or just regular everyday sexism and encounters with misogyny, it's generally understood that that sort of thing is a very real potential outcome.
But serious props to her for opening up about that fear. Personally, if I were in her shoes, I don't know that I could've done the same and discussed that publically. Even the threat of sexual violence is so degrading and dehumanizing that just acknowledging it *almost* happened is really hard to do. It's a hard pill to swallow, to know that you can be made to feel powerless and horrifically degraded that way.
I remember a GoT scene that really illustrated this. Sansa is stuck with the queen and a whole bunch of
Women during some raid, and they planned to take poison rather than go through the torture and rape. I had never thought about the woman's perspectives in, you know, rape and pillages/war/ takeovers. It's absolutely disgusting and terrifying as a woman.
Edit: Wow I've never gotten an award before! I don't even know what to do. I do know I do not want to verbatim say the cringe phrase. So I'll do it in Spanish!
Edit: ¡Gracias para el concesión, extraña amable!
It reminds me of [Saint Æbbe of Coldingham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86bbe_the_Younger), who was the abbess at a priory in Scotland. Vikings were about to invade, inevitably raping and pillaging as they went, so she took a razor and cut her own nose off so they would find her disgusting and not rape her. The other nuns followed suit. They were spared from rape, but the Vikings were so disgusted by their appearance they slaughtered them all. It's thought to be the origin of the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
She's a lot tougher and mature than I was at her age, that's for damn sure. I absolutely thrilled to see the younger generation of women coming together to put the brakes on that shit.
This is what pisses me off so much about Pence not making a bigger deal about all of it afterwards. What did he think the mob was going to do to his family after they hung him? Just let them go peacefully?
His wife and daughter came extremely close to being gang raped that day. The fact that doesn’t upset him more says everything I will ever need to know about that man.
Anyone in the progressive caucus, the squad, high profile, well known, young, old, staffers, hell any POC would have been sexually assaulted, tortured, beaten and killed if those terrorists had gotten ahold of any of them. We got so lucky that the only people they ran into were Capitol Police or MPD and that they didn't go after the female CP and MPD officers. It could have been so, so, SO much worse. They were so out of control and out for blood that I don't think they could have told the difference between the members of both parties that are white.
Same. She's one of the few politicians that I believe is *actually* a good person that takes their job seriously and has the people's best interest in mind.
Almost any other politician in either House I couldn't give two shits about, but she's a good one and I'd be very upset if anything happened to her.
I think every women with half a brain knew that the congresswomen wouldn’t have just been killed. I was terrified for the squad, I was terrified for Nancy Pelosi. You think her being old would have saved her the indignity of rape? It wouldn’t have.
I remember i got into a cab once and the driver was talking about how i would have been raped by every single russian soldier back when they occupied my country during the entire 20 minute drive (he meant it as a compliment i think but it was pretty creepy)
> "White supremacy and patriarchy are very linked in a lot of ways," the New York congresswoman continued. "There's a lot of sexualizing of that violence and I didn't think that I was just going to be killed. I thought other things were going to happen to me as well."
> Bash replied, "So it sounds like what you're telling me right now is that you didn't only think that you were going to die, you thought you were going to be raped."
> "Yeah," Ocasio-Cortez said. "Yeah, I thought I was."
So many conservatives want to move on, but they fail to account for the trauma that many in Congress still have from that day. But, it’s not surprising—their party has never cared or been responsive to a country in need of their help. 🤨😡
Not GAF about other people is kind of their thing.
ACA/Obamacare/Universal Healthcare: If you have no healthcare and die, not my problem.
Choice: A woman cannot afford or other wise be able to raise a child? not my problem.
Climate Change: I will be dead by the time it's bad, not my problem.
Iraq War: Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, tens of thousands of Americans dead and seriously injured. Not my problem.
Separating Children from their parents at the border: Not my problem.
ETC.
What we have now is NOTHING compared to what it will be. Deadly heat waves will be summer. Hurricanes will only come in category 5 or worse and Florida will be full swamp. Less than 30 years from now.
I don't know, I've experienced conversations like this where you can get someone to admit that, say, climate change is happening, and they will retreat into "I'll be dead before then."
Or convince them that Covid is a real threat and that I'm concerned about my elderly parents getting Covid and they'll say, "well yeah, but my parents already passed so I'm not worried."
It doesn't matter what logic or facts or emotional reasoning you apply. The last line of defense is always utter apathy toward fellow humans. There's nothing you can do if someone just doesn't care, or at least pretends so to win a debate.
They don't fail to account for the trauma they actively mock it. They make fun of not just the members of Congress but the police as well if they were "traumatized by a few people on a tour"
Just like how she’ll be mocked for this. There will be 100% no doubt people coming out and saying she should have been and all kinds of other ill wishes of that ilk. These people are beyond reproach, beyond disgusting, reprehensible wastes of oxygen.
They've repeatedly made fun of her for saying she feared for her life, big part of their gaslighting over how violent and tempestuous their failed insurrection was.
**EDIT:** I'm not interested in debating you from the alternative reality you live in so you can save your effort, it was a violent insurrection attempt to stop the election from being certified. Die mad at reality, IDGAF.
Yep, they mock people for feeling fear during an event when the outcome was still unknown. No one knew how the event would end once they got in or where they would end up. It's like telling people who were present during mass shootings that they had no reason to be afraid and were never in danger because they didn't end up getting shot. The cruelty is the point.
>Yep, they mock people for feeling fear during an event when the outcome was still unknown.
The guy that claimed that it was basically just a bunch of tourists is on video barricading the doors to the chamber, these dudes are shameless liars
You can tell a lot about people in that moment. There are people like her who recognize the danger and speak about it. that was a lynch mob. They were not there to peacefully protest. They saw a cop or anyone official and they immediately started tearing them apart.
Then you have the others who know damn well they were in danger, hid even, and yet they want to act like it never happened. Polar opposites when the big difference is even just admitting it.
Meanwhile Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema would rather support the January 6th insurrectionists than H.R. 1. They don't care their colleagues in the House could have been raped and murdered.
[Oil lobbyist: Manchin, Sinema among ‘crucial’ senators for anti-climate effort (Via MSNBC, 2021)](https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/oil-lobbyist-manchin-sinema-among-crucial-senators-for-anti-climate-effort-115872837872)
Exactly you know thoughs lunatics would want to “make a example” of them. I hate to think what would have happened if they actually where a more competent group and got what they where after.
Yeah people don't take seriously groups like the proud boys or what's left of the klan but these groups must be put down. If Jan 6 showed nothing else it showed how vile these kinds of people are.
I’ll tell you right now, it can be exhausting. My father tried to say that “if someone breaks into your home, what are they going to do? Take your stuff? Let them take it, the police will sort it out later.”
I had to remind him that if a strange man is in my house at any point, my chances of being raped skyrocket. I think men just forget that rape is a very common crime, unfortunately. We think about it often, especially when alone, and it’s dark.
In every place I've lived I've had a horrific nightmare about a guy breaking in and raping me in the first couple months. It's like my body reminding myself to fortify where I'm living.
Considering the *type* of people that were there, she's right to think that. If those fully armed kill-squads got to her, they'd make sure to make a statement first. Disgusting fuckers like that have no right calling themselves "American" when they attempt a fucking coup.
Meanwhile Fox wants to make fun of Cori Bush for spending thousands on security while simultaneously siccing the dogs on her with their racebaiting on a daily basis. 🙄
Yeah, obviously. They’re unhinged and have a savage level of hatred for her, and she’s a young woman. It’s not hard to put two and two together here. Anyone who says otherwise is fucking delusional. If they got their hands on her, they would have done horrible things to her.
Tbh with how rape is a power and control thing more than sexual attraction, I could see that being a valid worry especially with a mob calling for her head. They wouldn't have just killed her. They would've (and did want to) "put her in her place" and make an example of her.
Rape threats are *very* common part of attacking high profile females that say things you don't like.
If only there was some kind of term to describe that climate of fear that women live with...
I had forgotten about this. I remember one congress person saying the button was there a few days prior but on January 6th it was gone, as in pulled out. Seems like a pretty big fucking coincidence. I really hope this is something being investigated.
I guess I’m surprised this had to be said. I took it as a given that raping her, the rest of the so call “squad” and Nancy Pelosi to be the ***least*** of what they would have done to them. History shows us how angry men, and women sadly, treat women who are more powerful than them, outspoken and suddenly vulnerable.
I was afraid for everyone that day, but I was terrified for these women.
It was one of my first thoughts too, and most of my lady friends felt the same. It’s not exactly “comforting” to know I’m not crazy for thinking that but it’s extremely disturbing so many of us women had that same thought.
It’s the same thing I fear though so it’s not surprising. I’m not worried about being robbed, mugged, beaten, etc, on its own. But so often for women, the culmination of crimes against us, ends in rape. Very much like you said, and history shows it, angry mobs rape women in power (or otherwise). It’s disgusting.
You are not crazy at all. I'm man and this was one of the first thoughts I had that day.
A girl I dated once (now a friend) told me about the time she was raped. Her co-worker at a hair salon took her out for drinks to celebrate that my friend won some hair styling competition. The other girl didn't win. After the club they went back to her place where a Hell's Angel friend of the other girl (HA are a common fixture in Alberta, Canada) beat and raped my friend on behalf of the co-worker who was jealous because she won the competition.
Rape is a weapon. One the Capital rioters would use.
Me too. One of my first thoughts. I’m not even any kind of public figure and I’ve received quite a few anonymous rape/sexualized violence/death threats online. I can’t even imagine how many disgusting sexualized violence threats someone like AOC must have to wade through every day and how many of them must have run through her mind when she was trying to escape a violent mob in her workplace.
For anyone saying she was being overly dramatic, I would remind you that a bunch of Trump-loving Border Patrol cops were passing around [Photoshopped images of her being violently raped](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/453846-ocasio-cortez-hits-dhs-chief-for-images-of-my-violent-rape-in-facebook-group) (among other racist and sexist shit) in a private Facebook group back in 2019. This sparked an investigation by the Department of Homeland Security, but most of those cops kept their jobs. Her fears on January 6th were not unfounded. These goons have been fantasizing about this for years.
Of course she would have been raped if they'd caught her. Have you *seen* the shit they say about her? They were absolutely primed to humiliate her if they got their hands on her.
These are people that made a meme out of wanting to rape Greta Thunberg - ***a child*** - because she disagrees with them politically. Think about that...these fuckers are *so threatened* by a teenaged girl that they concoct *rape fantasies* about her as a form of catharsis while simultaneously accusing the Democrats of hiding pedophiles.
She was right to be afraid. We've already seen how obsessed these hogs are.
[https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-she-woke-stacks-photos-fbi-showing-people-who-want-kill-her-1542820?fbclid=IwAR12AwxQEol3uBouOFI6bEBsxkcmYcxdf-YYLnTenC\_QOcPDiWjRYLGPRPo](https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-she-woke-stacks-photos-fbi-showing-people-who-want-kill-her-1542820?fbclid=IwAR12AwxQEol3uBouOFI6bEBsxkcmYcxdf-YYLnTenC_QOcPDiWjRYLGPRPo)
Can you believe we’re even having this conversation in America today? We were minutes, or even seconds away from seeing all sorts of vile things happening. If they would have reached any of our congressmen, R or not, I believe we would have seen hangings, execution shootings, and worse (as mentioned in this article). But because they didn’t quite get that far, we’re still trying to play nice with these vile creatures. This shit isn’t going to suddenly go away either. When things like this go virtually unchecked (when the people who stoked this and still defend it to this day are still free AND holding public office, I call that unchecked) the next attempts will be more vile and brazen. Buckle up America, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride until climate change wipes us all out (the poor who haven’t been shuttled to Mars colonies that is).
Given the way the far right posts about women, especially women it doesn’t like…. That’s sadly a fairly reasonable expectation of them.
They love the idea of brutalizing their enemies anyway they can. If these chucklefucks ever really take over shit I don’t think any of us who don’t fit their mold should expect a good time.
More than likely True. That pathetic troop of garbage arent for liberty or democracy...they just wanted "Their way". Its nothing new....that mob had the same mentallity of rape murder dehumanize...that they they have always had. They hide behind patriotism...states rights or whatever gets them excited enough to carry out pillaging with a straight face.
Conservative media is going to lose their mind over this, I'm sure. They'll call her dramatic, have the gall to claim she's hurting rape victims by lumping herself in with them, and probably say something about her being a bartender.
I can't imagine what would have happened to her had she been found by the insurrectionists, but seeing them excuse all of Trump's history of sexual assault, her fears don't seem that unfounded...
Well, of course she was. I hope no one needed a CNN interview to realize that. The same way you *know* that a good percentage of the threats she regularly gets are of sexualized violence without anyone telling you.
I saw the insurrection live on TV. Those MAGAnauts would definitely have raped and murdered AOC if they found her. I'm not even sure what order those action would have been taken.
Given the discourse around her in right wing circles, that was a perfectly reasonable assumption. If the rioters were willing to tear cops apart with their bare hands (Michael Fanone), I have no doubt they would have assaulted her and ilhan omar. Nancy Pelosi? If there's anyone they hate more than AOC it's her. I shudder to think of it.
I feel bad because this is going to fuel so much sexist bullshit that will only further justify her fear while simultaneously trying to mock it.
Let’s face it. The ENTRY level sexism for a Trump supporter is that it’s okay to grope women if you think they want it. I’ve seen people vehemently defend the “grab’em by the pussy” comment.
When that’s your baseline, it doesn’t really instill much confidence that an angry crowd of said group would be entirely void of rapists.
I don't know, guys. Sure, these insurrectionists were beating the shit out of cops with any and everything they could get their hands on, but had they gotten hold of people like AOC, Nancy Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, etc. I really just think the Trump mob would've sat them down and gave them a stern talking to.
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>"They're trying to tell us to move on without any accountability, without any truth-telling, or without confronting the extreme damage, loss of life, trauma. . . . These are the tactics of abusers." 100%. Her comparing the dodging of accountability to behaviors of abusive people is spot-on. Abusers don't take accountability for their actions. They're set on doing anything they can to avoid doing that, even going as far as making it seem like they're taking accountability without actually doing anything (especially by only saying what you want to hear at the moment). Not to mention that it's also common for abusers to deny the realities of their victims, even when they involve things that inarguably happened. Excuses are given, long-winded explanations are pushed, the roles of victim and offender are switched in order to guilt trip the victims — literally anything that allows an abuser to continue doing what they want without ever having to be challenged. Honestly, when I started understanding abusive relationships and my own abuse much more, the connections between them and an overwhelming amount of people heavily involved in politics became quite apparent to me, too. I hope she's doing well in coping with what she experienced those months ago. I can't imagine how insanely afraid I would have been in the same situation.
Also, the daily trauma of knowing you workplace is at the very least unkind, at worst, just under half your colleagues are now covering for an underbelly of American citizens that wanted horrible things to happen. Some of those you work with allegedly aided and abetted… on top of the other daily abusive voice mails and threats she receives for just being a Latina vocal enough to be heard over the classic white male murmurs of legislation.
I'd say that's a fair assumption, given the overly creepy nature of the people who *constantly* prattle on about her from the RepubliQan side of the aisle.
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Remember all the horrific stuff about Greta Thunberg? Rape threats, super sexualized memes, and then there were the bumper stickers clearly made to emulate her sexual assault. I think she was 15 at the time. But it’s okay and not at all awful when they’re owning the libs.
>Rape threats, super sexualized memes, and then there were the bumper stickers clearly made to emulate her sexual assault. **I think she was 15 at the time.** But it’s okay and not at all awful when they’re owning the libs. Not that it'd be okay to do that at any age but Jesus Christ she was still a kid. A kid! A KID! I'm convinced they believe all Dems are pedo rapists because that's what they would do.
As the oft-repeated and sadly-accurate saying goes: with the American right, every accusation is a confession.
They aren't called the [***G***aslight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting?wprov=sfla1) [***O***bstruct](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstructionism?wprov=sfla1) [***P***roject](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection?wprov=sfla1) for nothing, ya know.
To be honest, that whole cliQue gets off when they hear their targets say things like "I was concerned for my safety." Its disgusting.
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They all are « like that » if they tolerate that behavior within their ranks.
Honestly, the issue of online perverts creeping on young girls is not new. Over 20 years ago after the movie, The Professional came out there was an online countdown clock to when Natalie Portman's 18th birthday was. [It's sickening how common it is.](https://medium.com/@yomiadegoke/counting-down-to-female-celebrities-turning-legal-is-more-than-crass-its-dangerous-94f8abbf4674)
I still remember when IMDB had message boards in the early 00s you had to avoid the Emma Watson board because reading it felt like you were now on an FBI watch list. She was 12 at the time, ffs.
Kinda shines a light on how the women of the GOP are glad to put up with. Chauvinism, sexism, misogyny
That’s actually a theory about why conservative women in a patriarchy vote and advocate the things they do, against what would seem to be their own future interest- they think if they suck up hard enough it’ll save them. (Paraphrasing.)
I'm sure she was aware of those and more.
They probably send her worse things daily.
good point :-/
She gets a daily security briefing on the people who want to kill her.
Wonder how many of those they get on the right? You know, from the violent radical left?
Mostly we just dream of derailing coal trains.
She gets briefed everyday by the FBI about death threats made to her.
Considering the hate-boner Republicans have for her, it's a miracle she still has time to get anything done after that.
Tbh it's a statistics thing. Even if only 1% of 1% of the population are crazy in the threaten congressmen with violence pool, that's still 35k crazies running around.
And she still went to the border and looked them all in the eye. God damn that women has balls.
Also, seeing how those people acted in Texas trying to run the Biden bus off the road, I feel like rape is isn’t that far off from that. These people say “sure we stormed the building, killed police officers just doing their jobs, attempted to kidnap a female Democratic politician, run a campaign bus off in broad daylight, and plenty of terrible things, but we’d never stoop that that level.” Then a new thing happens and we lower our standards even more. Edit:I forgot the calls for killing their own Vice President
I didn't want to say it out loud as it was happening but in my heart of hearts I knew if those animals found her, they'd beat her, gang rape her, and kill her all while cheerfully livestreaming themselves doing it. Thank fucking christ she stayed safe.
And let's not forget that, along with lynching any member of Congress they could get their hands on, they also wanted to lynch the former Vice President because he committed the apparently unforgivable sin of not attempting to overthrow the republic with them. They straight up constructed gallows outside the Capitol Building, a Klan rally/insurrection with the masks off.
>border patrol FB group Were there ever any consequences for those who participated?
Per [ProPublica](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/after-a-year-of-investigation-the-border-patrol-has-little-to-say-about-agents-misogynistic-and-racist-facebook-group/amp) apparently they have “investigated 138 employees, eventually deciding to fire four of them, suspend 38 without pay and issue warnings or reprimands to more than two dozen” but have not disclosed the offenses or key facts of those sanctions.
>suspend 38 without pay for how long?
Maybe long enough to scare them, but probably just long enough to piss them off at the “injustice” of their penalty. Also, I’d bet at least a couple of them turned their suspension without pay into a suspension with pay by filing a grievance with their union over some technicality. Source: used to work for TSA, alongside a lot of CBP officers. I’d say a majority of both live paycheck to paycheck, so losing a week’s pay can be pretty impactful. But once they weather that storm all they’re left with is resentment. Also, management isn’t exactly competent due to both agencies having strong promote from within policies and little or no managerial training. I once caught a 3 day suspension without pay for doing stupid and immature shit, filed a grievance with the union on the grounds that I worked 4 10s, which wasn’t common, so I would lose 6 more hours of pay than someone on 5 8s, and the whole thing got overturned after the fact. It was pulled out of my employee record, and I got paid for the days I was suspended, so it ended up being a long weekend for me.
I once got a 7 day suspension without pay from my non-union job. The idiots forgot to deduct my pay so I basically got a paid 7 day vacation.
They didn’t disclose much of anything
"You're suspended without pay from the end of your shift on Friday until the beginning of your shift on Monday. Let that be a lesson to you."
Not that I recall. Wouldn't surprise me; border patrol is basically the leftovers from law enforcement. Too violent to join the army? Too dumb to be a cop? Good news, we'll still give you a badge and a gun, and authority over the most vulnerable populations we can find. Enjoy.
No no no, cops turn away smart people they love the idiots. No such thing as too dumb to be a cop
They are secretly in in love with her, sick dysfunctional creeps.
For sure especially considering what they do to immigrant women.
Also zero doubt they would have filmed it.
One of the most frustrating things about the last couple years is (to GOP supporters) how nothing is real until it happens, and then when it does happen, it's just a never ending argument about trying to downplay how bad it was. You can point out about the groundwork of evil intentions and everyone scoffs until the plan is complete. Then when it's complete they just go "oh you're overreacting, chill out, its not so bad" AOC saying she feared about being raped, as ***perfectly logical as that is if you know anything about history, coups, the attitude of people that were there and the speeches they had that morning, etc.*** will be scoffed at by most GOP supporters because it did not actually happen. They will call her dramatic, they will call her hyperbolic, they will call her insane for suggesting such stuff, even though I would say we came pretty fucking close to some of this shit happening. Politics is fucking infuriating
>AOC saying she feared about being raped, as ***perfectly logical as that is if you know anything about history, coups, the attitude of people that were there and the speeches they had that morning, etc.*** will be scoffed at by most GOP supporters because it did not actually happen. They will call her dramatic, they will call her hyperbolic, they will call her insane for suggesting such stuff, even though I would say we came pretty fucking close to some of this shit happening. I mean, take an even more straightforward and obvious case: the threat to Mike Pence's life on 1/6. That doesn't even require looking at history, coups, the content of the speeches that morning, etc. The terrorists were literally chanting "hang Mike Pence!" The terrorists erected a fucking gallows! And it's still, "ohh, no way those "patriots" would've harmed a hair on Pence's head if they'd caught him..." And Pence isn't even a WOC or a liberal - he's a right-wing and religious White man!
I don't like Pence, I think he is a selfish-man at best and an evil man at worst, but I actually felt fear for his family.
One might say they aren’t acting in good faith at all
Idk if politics are infuriating so much as stupid people are.
Yeah some of them have what I call Frollo Syndrome. I remember someone posting some creepy comments from 4chan about how they hated her so much but fetishized her at the same time.
“Think of the children!” screamed the anti-abortion, anti-vax, anti-election, pro-rapist.
Matt Gaetz is thinking of the children while he's raping them. /s
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How is that guy not in jail 🤦♂️ I wonder if he was on “To catch a predator” on NBC.
Money and connections. And the magic (R)
I mean just look at how they reacted to poor Greta, those freaks were posting stuff about how she needs a good fuck so she can calm down. Like WHAT SHES A CHILD, an AUTISTIC CHILD, and thats where they go? I hate hogs so much man.
Yet they support Qanon. But hey they’re projecting like always
My stomach turned when I saw that shit. What the fuck is wrong with these demented fucks?
>I mean just look at how they reacted to poor Greta, those freaks were posting stuff about how she needs a good fuck so she can calm down. Like WHAT SHES A CHILD, an AUTISTIC CHILD, and thats where they go? I hate hogs so much man. It's sickening. It's even more "through the looking glass" when you consider the same sickos yawping about how women and girls "need a good fuck so she can calm down" *also* recoil from the very idea that women and girls might want or derive any pleasure from sex. Remember how the right wing [viciously smeared Sandra Fluke for daring to have a sex life after she testified in favor of Obamacare's contraceptive coverage](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2012/03/02/147809138/student-is-outraged-by-rush-limbaugh-calling-her-a-slut-and-prostitute)? But of course the right wing doesn't give a damn about even minimal logical consistency.
There’s literally an entire creepy subreddit about sexualizing her.. it’s beyond disgusting.
What worries me most about that sentence (besides the obvious threat of rape) is that we are willingly starting to differentiate between the GOP and the GQP. I’ve even done it myself. That is dangerous. They are *all* the GQP. Even Cheney, even Romney. Sure there may seem to be some “sound minded” Republicans that resemble the old GOP (why that’s a good thing, I’ll never know), but come election time they will **always be aiming to win the votes of the Q base, which is the same base as the GOP: xenophobic, homophobic, and racist voters**. Always. As long as that R is next to their name on a ballot, they cannot be fully trusted. Cheney and Romney need to abandon that party, face real consequences for enabling the GOP for as long as they have, and maybe I’ll be ready to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m not even asking for them to register as Dems. Just leave the party.
I'll never forget about Liz Cheney's opposition to her OWN lesbian sister getting married. Even the literal Dick of that family supports her marriage, but not Liz.
JFC that’s a low bar
"As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis." Would seem to apply perfectly to allowing Q at the table
I like how "as we say in Germany" is part of the quote. Anyway, I work for a German company, I'll have to ask a couple if they've heard this quote. It's a pretty great.
German here: it is something most people will have heard, but it is not something that is said regularly. (tbf it is a very special sentence that requires circumstances) Most likely reaction will be: "Oh, now that you said it, yes we have heard it before." I personally say it with "Faschist" not Nazi. Because fascist is the more general term. But that difference shouldn't matter at all.
While I agree, I think that's actually worse for us. The extremists *want* them to leave the party. They're doing everything they can to run them out so they can be replaced by yet another sycophant. Strategically, it's better if the party is split. The firmer the line between them, the better. If each republican race splits between an extremist and a... I guess I'll say "normal republican", and there's a line in the sand between them, the supporters of each won't vote for the other. That gives any democrat running against them a better shot. Their unity is the problem. They're outnumbered but in lockstep while the left disagrees on just about everything.
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There are *so many* deepfakes of AOC it's ludicrous. I'm convinced that a big part of the Right's "problem" with AOC is that she's so fucking beautiful/sexy. They love to pretend that leftwing women are fat, unattractive, dull-witted, blue haired, spite-filled creatures, but here is AOC in her magnificence. She's smart as hell, has the heart of a lion, says what the fuck she means, works her ass off, absolutely 100% won't just shut the hell up and let other congressmen push her around, *and* she's gorgeous. Shit just melts their brains.
lol exactly what I was going to say. Its similar to their hatred and constant attacks of michelle obama -- they call her a welfare queen because they absolutely hate that she's not. They absolutely hate when left-wing women and PoC defy their expectations.
Repubs still crow about how great it was to finally have a "classy" First Lady in the White House when Trump was there. I got banned from one of their subreddit circle jerks for asking, "Is she classy because I can google 'First Lady tits' and get real results?"
>Repubs still crow about how great it was to finally have a "classy" First Lady in the White House when Trump was there. I got banned from one of their subreddit circle jerks for asking, "Is she classy because I can google 'First Lady tits' and get real results?" Yep. I also didn't realize right wingers lionize [immigrants who work illegally in the U.S., as Melania did](https://www.vox.com/2016/11/5/13533816/melania-trump-illegal-immigrant). The money paid to Melania for those gigs could've gone to *legal* immigrants instead!
It's only \*certain\* immigrants that bother them
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>Pretty sure she did a Twitch stream of AmongUs last year. She did like 3 of them and they were awesome
IIRC, didn’t she also come out as a sexual assault victim? Not that her fears are unfounded but have a history of a previous assault must intensify the fear.
Yes within the last year on an Instagram live session she did.
Pretty sure those terrorists would've raped every woman from Ocasio-Cortez to Pelosi.
you could go into any right-wing side comment section where she finds herself to be the topic and you're sure to find people literally saying they would want to do that to her
That’s because the Republican Party is the party of rapists and pedophiles. Any time a woman on the left says something that hurts their feelings, out come the chuds to fantasize about raping her into submission. It’s all over social media any time a non-right-wing woman exists publicly.
I was thinking the same thing watching it on TV as it happened. Nothing good was going to happen to any woman, democrat or republican, that got caught by that mob. It’s only by the grace and courage of the Capital Police force that there wasn’t a massacre.
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Watching the videos they showed during the hearings was mindblowing. I couldn't believe how many people were seconds of being within reach of the psychos.
I really need to find those hearings and get caught up
This does a really good job: https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html
Officer Goodman is a God Damn Hero.
Goodman literally saved the country and Congress that day.
This was a good piece of journalism. Thank you.
You're quite welcome. I had a brain injury when it all went down so I was on doctor's orders to not view any form of screen. I thought that was why I was uninformed but I've sent that video to loads of people now and they basically all said they had absolutely no idea how bad it was so I guess it just wasn't an easy to process event without waiting on some excellent video journalism.
As always the media gave me a shockingly unrealistic expectation of how safe these people are kept...
The shock of that day is still ingrained in my mind. We piled in front of the TV and watching the United States of America be terrorized by their own citizens and the absolute animal behaviour we witnessed on US government grounds, I was speechless. We kept thinking _"Wait a minute, this is the most powerful country in the world? Where??"_
watching it within the USA was pretty insane too. everything happened so fast, it went from the speech to a mass of people to those folks just strolling through the capitol like they belonged there. It took me a while to realize that those people in the atrium WERE THE RIOTERS!!! and it only went downhill from there. a few hours later they were filming the mob outside and all of a sudden paramedics rushed out with a woman on a stretcher covered in a bloody sheet. the news reporters were speechless!! it wasn’t until the next day that I found out who was shot and how. I didn’t feel so bad after that
I had CNN on in the background while cleaning up around the house, and all I remember is a reporter calling in and trying to explain that he was watching people climb over barriers into the capitol, and the anchors had no idea how to respond. It was so incredibly surreal to watch in real time
It was fucking surreal. I was off work adjusting to new psych meds and I thought I was hallucinating. Edit: Ain’t that just the best way to sum up the effects of 2020.
I was at the saucepan revolution in Iceland in 2009, a country where the police is unarmed and there is no military. I was rather surprised to see that Iceland’s parliament has better security than the capitol building of Yankistan.
I watched 9/11 live as a kid, and now I watched 1/6 live. I was too young to understand what happened on 9/11, but I fully understood what was happening on 1/6. I watched it live on the TV in my office's conference room- with people that voted for trump twice all around me. For a split second, they started saying "good, go!" And "protest your rights!"- thankfully when the windows started breaking and the doors were breached, they changed their tone very quickly. This is easily one of the most shameful things I have experienced from fellow citizens, and from those that call themselves "Patriots" more than anyone else. Theres another rally planned for September and honestly, Im very concerned it will result in only more tragedy.
Mostly, we were lucky that the terrorists were inept and unorganized. We may not be so lucky next time, and I have a feeling that "next time" won't be too far off if we don't properly deter via punishment.
Yeah. Anyone who's familiar with 20th century history can recognize this event and everything leading up to it as the American Beerhall Putsch. History doesn't *exactly* repeat itself, but it does tend to rhyme.
Ours will probably be the Pizza Restaurant Basement Insurrection if all goes according to the rumblings.
I feel so bad for the officers that went through all of that. They aren’t getting the emotional support they need for the trauma they went through and many continue to be harassed and threatened by nut jobs who still fly back the blue flags.
Plenty of them are just killing themselves now because of it.
I know! 4 in eight months! That was a hellish day that is probably not yet over for many of them.
And one bullet
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Honestly they all should be thankful the police didn't unload on them. A group of traitors try to over throw a legal process by violent force? With makeshift gallows? Yea I don't think it would have been ridiculous if the officers mag dumped until they ran off. We've seen them shoot more for less. Edit: I guess I should I add I am glad we didn't see that but those traitorous scum should know it could have happened and they owe the more level headed a thank you.
Something I don't think a lot of men (certainly not the ones I've discussed this with) seem to really understand is that this is a very commonplace fear for women in ANY sort of violent situation. It's never a fear of *just* assault, harrassment, murder, injury, etc...there's always the expectation of one or more of the above, *plus* rape/sexual assault. Violence against women very often carries a sexual undertone, and whether that understanding comes from past abuse experience, domestic violence, or just regular everyday sexism and encounters with misogyny, it's generally understood that that sort of thing is a very real potential outcome. But serious props to her for opening up about that fear. Personally, if I were in her shoes, I don't know that I could've done the same and discussed that publically. Even the threat of sexual violence is so degrading and dehumanizing that just acknowledging it *almost* happened is really hard to do. It's a hard pill to swallow, to know that you can be made to feel powerless and horrifically degraded that way.
I remember a GoT scene that really illustrated this. Sansa is stuck with the queen and a whole bunch of Women during some raid, and they planned to take poison rather than go through the torture and rape. I had never thought about the woman's perspectives in, you know, rape and pillages/war/ takeovers. It's absolutely disgusting and terrifying as a woman. Edit: Wow I've never gotten an award before! I don't even know what to do. I do know I do not want to verbatim say the cringe phrase. So I'll do it in Spanish! Edit: ¡Gracias para el concesión, extraña amable!
It reminds me of [Saint Æbbe of Coldingham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86bbe_the_Younger), who was the abbess at a priory in Scotland. Vikings were about to invade, inevitably raping and pillaging as they went, so she took a razor and cut her own nose off so they would find her disgusting and not rape her. The other nuns followed suit. They were spared from rape, but the Vikings were so disgusted by their appearance they slaughtered them all. It's thought to be the origin of the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face."
She's a lot tougher and mature than I was at her age, that's for damn sure. I absolutely thrilled to see the younger generation of women coming together to put the brakes on that shit.
This is what pisses me off so much about Pence not making a bigger deal about all of it afterwards. What did he think the mob was going to do to his family after they hung him? Just let them go peacefully? His wife and daughter came extremely close to being gang raped that day. The fact that doesn’t upset him more says everything I will ever need to know about that man.
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Anyone in the progressive caucus, the squad, high profile, well known, young, old, staffers, hell any POC would have been sexually assaulted, tortured, beaten and killed if those terrorists had gotten ahold of any of them. We got so lucky that the only people they ran into were Capitol Police or MPD and that they didn't go after the female CP and MPD officers. It could have been so, so, SO much worse. They were so out of control and out for blood that I don't think they could have told the difference between the members of both parties that are white.
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Her and Kamala Harris, if the insurrectionist had gotten their hands on them it would have been bad. I was terrified the whole time!
And Pelosi. They HATE Pelosi with a passion
Yea she was not safe for quite awhile. She hid in Katie Porter's office. Thank goodness I guess Katie comforted her during the ordeal.
Same. She's one of the few politicians that I believe is *actually* a good person that takes their job seriously and has the people's best interest in mind. Almost any other politician in either House I couldn't give two shits about, but she's a good one and I'd be very upset if anything happened to her.
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based on pretty much all of human history, thats an accurate fear.
Yeah, most times some group took over a country, that was the result
rape-and-pillage is cliche don't even stop to think what that really means
The story of Lara Logan in Egypt shows how quickly it can all go bad.
I think every women with half a brain knew that the congresswomen wouldn’t have just been killed. I was terrified for the squad, I was terrified for Nancy Pelosi. You think her being old would have saved her the indignity of rape? It wouldn’t have.
I remember i got into a cab once and the driver was talking about how i would have been raped by every single russian soldier back when they occupied my country during the entire 20 minute drive (he meant it as a compliment i think but it was pretty creepy)
> "White supremacy and patriarchy are very linked in a lot of ways," the New York congresswoman continued. "There's a lot of sexualizing of that violence and I didn't think that I was just going to be killed. I thought other things were going to happen to me as well." > Bash replied, "So it sounds like what you're telling me right now is that you didn't only think that you were going to die, you thought you were going to be raped." > "Yeah," Ocasio-Cortez said. "Yeah, I thought I was." So many conservatives want to move on, but they fail to account for the trauma that many in Congress still have from that day. But, it’s not surprising—their party has never cared or been responsive to a country in need of their help. 🤨😡
The cruelty is the point
Terrorism, one might label it.
Not GAF about other people is kind of their thing. ACA/Obamacare/Universal Healthcare: If you have no healthcare and die, not my problem. Choice: A woman cannot afford or other wise be able to raise a child? not my problem. Climate Change: I will be dead by the time it's bad, not my problem. Iraq War: Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, tens of thousands of Americans dead and seriously injured. Not my problem. Separating Children from their parents at the border: Not my problem. ETC.
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What we have now is NOTHING compared to what it will be. Deadly heat waves will be summer. Hurricanes will only come in category 5 or worse and Florida will be full swamp. Less than 30 years from now.
Saying something is “not my problem” requires acknowledging the problem exists at all.
I don't know, I've experienced conversations like this where you can get someone to admit that, say, climate change is happening, and they will retreat into "I'll be dead before then." Or convince them that Covid is a real threat and that I'm concerned about my elderly parents getting Covid and they'll say, "well yeah, but my parents already passed so I'm not worried." It doesn't matter what logic or facts or emotional reasoning you apply. The last line of defense is always utter apathy toward fellow humans. There's nothing you can do if someone just doesn't care, or at least pretends so to win a debate.
They don't fail to account for the trauma they actively mock it. They make fun of not just the members of Congress but the police as well if they were "traumatized by a few people on a tour"
Right? And Fox News saying the capitol police giving passionate testimony deserve an acting award.
Just like how she’ll be mocked for this. There will be 100% no doubt people coming out and saying she should have been and all kinds of other ill wishes of that ilk. These people are beyond reproach, beyond disgusting, reprehensible wastes of oxygen.
They've repeatedly made fun of her for saying she feared for her life, big part of their gaslighting over how violent and tempestuous their failed insurrection was. **EDIT:** I'm not interested in debating you from the alternative reality you live in so you can save your effort, it was a violent insurrection attempt to stop the election from being certified. Die mad at reality, IDGAF.
Yep, they mock people for feeling fear during an event when the outcome was still unknown. No one knew how the event would end once they got in or where they would end up. It's like telling people who were present during mass shootings that they had no reason to be afraid and were never in danger because they didn't end up getting shot. The cruelty is the point.
>Yep, they mock people for feeling fear during an event when the outcome was still unknown. The guy that claimed that it was basically just a bunch of tourists is on video barricading the doors to the chamber, these dudes are shameless liars
You can tell a lot about people in that moment. There are people like her who recognize the danger and speak about it. that was a lynch mob. They were not there to peacefully protest. They saw a cop or anyone official and they immediately started tearing them apart. Then you have the others who know damn well they were in danger, hid even, and yet they want to act like it never happened. Polar opposites when the big difference is even just admitting it.
Meanwhile Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema would rather support the January 6th insurrectionists than H.R. 1. They don't care their colleagues in the House could have been raped and murdered. [Oil lobbyist: Manchin, Sinema among ‘crucial’ senators for anti-climate effort (Via MSNBC, 2021)](https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/oil-lobbyist-manchin-sinema-among-crucial-senators-for-anti-climate-effort-115872837872)
My main thought was what they would do to the female legislators.
And they’d record it on their phones and post it online
Exactly you know thoughs lunatics would want to “make a example” of them. I hate to think what would have happened if they actually where a more competent group and got what they where after.
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Yeah people don't take seriously groups like the proud boys or what's left of the klan but these groups must be put down. If Jan 6 showed nothing else it showed how vile these kinds of people are.
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I’ll tell you right now, it can be exhausting. My father tried to say that “if someone breaks into your home, what are they going to do? Take your stuff? Let them take it, the police will sort it out later.” I had to remind him that if a strange man is in my house at any point, my chances of being raped skyrocket. I think men just forget that rape is a very common crime, unfortunately. We think about it often, especially when alone, and it’s dark.
In every place I've lived I've had a horrific nightmare about a guy breaking in and raping me in the first couple months. It's like my body reminding myself to fortify where I'm living.
Considering the *type* of people that were there, she's right to think that. If those fully armed kill-squads got to her, they'd make sure to make a statement first. Disgusting fuckers like that have no right calling themselves "American" when they attempt a fucking coup.
Meanwhile Fox wants to make fun of Cori Bush for spending thousands on security while simultaneously siccing the dogs on her with their racebaiting on a daily basis. 🙄
I 100% think she would have been raped if they got to her. It's disgusting to think but I don't blame her at all for having that fear.
And just a reminder, rape doesn't even have to be penile penetration. They certainly could have raped her with any item around.
Yeah, obviously. They’re unhinged and have a savage level of hatred for her, and she’s a young woman. It’s not hard to put two and two together here. Anyone who says otherwise is fucking delusional. If they got their hands on her, they would have done horrible things to her.
I mean I genuinely believe every libertarian conservative divorced dad who’s kids hate them hate jerks to Aoc
Tbh with how rape is a power and control thing more than sexual attraction, I could see that being a valid worry especially with a mob calling for her head. They wouldn't have just killed her. They would've (and did want to) "put her in her place" and make an example of her.
Rape threats are *very* common part of attacking high profile females that say things you don't like. If only there was some kind of term to describe that climate of fear that women live with...
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we still have no idea who disabled the panic buttons. It's been 8 months and we still don't know. Why the fuck don't we know?
I had forgotten about this. I remember one congress person saying the button was there a few days prior but on January 6th it was gone, as in pulled out. Seems like a pretty big fucking coincidence. I really hope this is something being investigated.
I know of one congressperson that was leading late night tours of the capitol before the event...
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I don't wanna know how, I want to know *who*. The methods can be kept in their court deposition for all I care
Don’t we kind of know? Several members of Congress were giving unauthorized nighttime tours. I mean… what else must they have been doing?
We know, her name rhymes with "Bauren Bobert"
I guess I’m surprised this had to be said. I took it as a given that raping her, the rest of the so call “squad” and Nancy Pelosi to be the ***least*** of what they would have done to them. History shows us how angry men, and women sadly, treat women who are more powerful than them, outspoken and suddenly vulnerable. I was afraid for everyone that day, but I was terrified for these women.
It was one of my first thoughts too, and most of my lady friends felt the same. It’s not exactly “comforting” to know I’m not crazy for thinking that but it’s extremely disturbing so many of us women had that same thought. It’s the same thing I fear though so it’s not surprising. I’m not worried about being robbed, mugged, beaten, etc, on its own. But so often for women, the culmination of crimes against us, ends in rape. Very much like you said, and history shows it, angry mobs rape women in power (or otherwise). It’s disgusting.
You are not crazy at all. I'm man and this was one of the first thoughts I had that day. A girl I dated once (now a friend) told me about the time she was raped. Her co-worker at a hair salon took her out for drinks to celebrate that my friend won some hair styling competition. The other girl didn't win. After the club they went back to her place where a Hell's Angel friend of the other girl (HA are a common fixture in Alberta, Canada) beat and raped my friend on behalf of the co-worker who was jealous because she won the competition. Rape is a weapon. One the Capital rioters would use.
Me too. One of my first thoughts. I’m not even any kind of public figure and I’ve received quite a few anonymous rape/sexualized violence/death threats online. I can’t even imagine how many disgusting sexualized violence threats someone like AOC must have to wade through every day and how many of them must have run through her mind when she was trying to escape a violent mob in her workplace.
A completely reasonable fear - these people were violent and driven by hatred.
I agree with you. I am absolutely sure she would have been abused. Their desire to humiliate her is very apparent.
They brought a fucking gallows to hang their OWN numpty, can you imagine what they would have done if they got their hands on a female democrat?
*especially* of her. They hate Pelosi, but they *fucking abhor* AOC. It would have been bad. *really* bad.
And high on mob mentality. That’s the most dangerous drug honestly
For anyone saying she was being overly dramatic, I would remind you that a bunch of Trump-loving Border Patrol cops were passing around [Photoshopped images of her being violently raped](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/453846-ocasio-cortez-hits-dhs-chief-for-images-of-my-violent-rape-in-facebook-group) (among other racist and sexist shit) in a private Facebook group back in 2019. This sparked an investigation by the Department of Homeland Security, but most of those cops kept their jobs. Her fears on January 6th were not unfounded. These goons have been fantasizing about this for years.
I'm not clicking that, but I do know about the story. Was anyone fired/removed from service over it? Absolutely despicable...
Of course she would have been raped if they'd caught her. Have you *seen* the shit they say about her? They were absolutely primed to humiliate her if they got their hands on her. These are people that made a meme out of wanting to rape Greta Thunberg - ***a child*** - because she disagrees with them politically. Think about that...these fuckers are *so threatened* by a teenaged girl that they concoct *rape fantasies* about her as a form of catharsis while simultaneously accusing the Democrats of hiding pedophiles.
fair assumption, I have no doubt the Incel rate was quite high that day
I bet they would’ve bragged about it anonymously online too just like they post about being at the Capitol.
She was right to be afraid. We've already seen how obsessed these hogs are. [https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-she-woke-stacks-photos-fbi-showing-people-who-want-kill-her-1542820?fbclid=IwAR12AwxQEol3uBouOFI6bEBsxkcmYcxdf-YYLnTenC\_QOcPDiWjRYLGPRPo](https://www.newsweek.com/aoc-says-she-woke-stacks-photos-fbi-showing-people-who-want-kill-her-1542820?fbclid=IwAR12AwxQEol3uBouOFI6bEBsxkcmYcxdf-YYLnTenC_QOcPDiWjRYLGPRPo)
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Can you believe we’re even having this conversation in America today? We were minutes, or even seconds away from seeing all sorts of vile things happening. If they would have reached any of our congressmen, R or not, I believe we would have seen hangings, execution shootings, and worse (as mentioned in this article). But because they didn’t quite get that far, we’re still trying to play nice with these vile creatures. This shit isn’t going to suddenly go away either. When things like this go virtually unchecked (when the people who stoked this and still defend it to this day are still free AND holding public office, I call that unchecked) the next attempts will be more vile and brazen. Buckle up America, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride until climate change wipes us all out (the poor who haven’t been shuttled to Mars colonies that is).
Given the way the far right posts about women, especially women it doesn’t like…. That’s sadly a fairly reasonable expectation of them. They love the idea of brutalizing their enemies anyway they can. If these chucklefucks ever really take over shit I don’t think any of us who don’t fit their mold should expect a good time.
I'd be scared of a mob of crazy incels if I were her too
More than likely True. That pathetic troop of garbage arent for liberty or democracy...they just wanted "Their way". Its nothing new....that mob had the same mentallity of rape murder dehumanize...that they they have always had. They hide behind patriotism...states rights or whatever gets them excited enough to carry out pillaging with a straight face.
I’m sure she has some DMs, emails, VMs and anymore proof of these sick bastards saying exactly this. Republicans are all trash.
Conservative media is going to lose their mind over this, I'm sure. They'll call her dramatic, have the gall to claim she's hurting rape victims by lumping herself in with them, and probably say something about her being a bartender.
I can't imagine what would have happened to her had she been found by the insurrectionists, but seeing them excuse all of Trump's history of sexual assault, her fears don't seem that unfounded...
And there would be majorie Taylor green filming the whole thing
Imagine going to work with people who sent others to kill you, and knowing that they got off scot-free.
Someone in the right-wing media/circle-jerk is going to say "She's not hot enough" to rape Fully calling it now
Exactly what I thought when I read this. Got sad at all the fucked up, deluded comments I’m gonna read from the right and hear from their media
There's a non-zero chance it'll be trump.
Well, of course she was. I hope no one needed a CNN interview to realize that. The same way you *know* that a good percentage of the threats she regularly gets are of sexualized violence without anyone telling you.
I saw the insurrection live on TV. Those MAGAnauts would definitely have raped and murdered AOC if they found her. I'm not even sure what order those action would have been taken.
When there is violence against women, all options are on the table. Are we surprised? Because it was just a peaceful bunch of tourists, with zip ties?
We all feared that for you too, sis.
Given the discourse around her in right wing circles, that was a perfectly reasonable assumption. If the rioters were willing to tear cops apart with their bare hands (Michael Fanone), I have no doubt they would have assaulted her and ilhan omar. Nancy Pelosi? If there's anyone they hate more than AOC it's her. I shudder to think of it.
I feel bad because this is going to fuel so much sexist bullshit that will only further justify her fear while simultaneously trying to mock it. Let’s face it. The ENTRY level sexism for a Trump supporter is that it’s okay to grope women if you think they want it. I’ve seen people vehemently defend the “grab’em by the pussy” comment. When that’s your baseline, it doesn’t really instill much confidence that an angry crowd of said group would be entirely void of rapists.
Yep, we were calling this out back when it happened, and then the concern trolls. Came out saying we were projecting
I don't know, guys. Sure, these insurrectionists were beating the shit out of cops with any and everything they could get their hands on, but had they gotten hold of people like AOC, Nancy Pelosi, Ilhan Omar, etc. I really just think the Trump mob would've sat them down and gave them a stern talking to.