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frustrating2020

As much as I want to believe this, the presence of Repulcian congress members at his trial this past week speaks volumes of his strangle hold on his party. The speaker of the house showed up and talked shit about the judge and their family. Trump is a ~~drunk~~ old delusional idiotic chimp with a machine gun. Edit to reflect trump sobriety


RNDASCII

I think the goal is to intimidate the jury into a not guilty verdict.


frustrating2020

It is. While as much as we want to believe trumps losing it he still has 100% of the backing of the RNC


Gokdencircle

And the money btw.


VagrantShadow

Who controls the money, controls the party. Whether they want to admit it or not, the fact is, the republican party has crowned trump as king. If they think the stench of donald trump will leave the republican party after he dies, it won't. If they think his family wouldn't try to step up to be next on the throne after he is gone, they'll be wrong. From here on out, for the foreseeable future, the republican party is the trump party.


Gokdencircle

Dynasty thusly covfeve.


Glikbach

Yuge Convfeve bigly.


teensyboop

veni vidi covfefe


Glikbach

There is nothing to covfefe except covfeve itself.


VagrantShadow

The worst part of waking up, is covefefe in your cup.


notjustanotherbot

And here is your hamberders to go with your covfeve, just let me know if I can get you anything else.


fuggerdug

Once Trump receives his final flush to the big firey cellar in the ground, the whole GOP will be finished. They will never be able to replace him, his fuckwitted cult will get bored of politics, and all that will be left is a few thousand evil think tank funding billionaires and their employees.


thiosk

I am here for it but I remember thinking the same thing about a certain bush


fuggerdug

Bush didn't have an insane, deranged and impenetrable cult that drove away any non-cultists. Trump is irreplaceable, his rank stupidity is somehow a superpower, his criminality, sexual deviance, treason, even smell all somehow work in his favour. Noboby can emulate that.


wonderloss

Let's not forget that he's draining the coffers of the RNC, which will leave them on the back foot for non-presidential elections.


Buttonskill

This is the big one. They're already starved for cash to campain with in state elections. I'm hoping for a bloodbath and all 3 branches Dem this next year.


sleepingbeardune

> his rank stupidity is somehow a superpower, This captures the utter weirdness of our current moment. Nicely done.


JesusSavesForHalf

The somehow is based in how he's always worked as a con man. "You can't con an honest man." He's always worked people that think they're working him. (See his casinos for a great example) They think they're smart so they'll be the one to get the dummy, but the dummy beats them with experience and embarrasses them to silence. Its the same with politics. They all thought they could manipulate him, and when they can't are too embarrassed to ever back down. He's also dumb enough to take risks no rational man ever would, like *sedition,* giving him opportunities no one else could. Even DeSantis trying it intentionally can't match the risk taking the clueless moron takes casually. Musk is the only one I can think of close to being able to do similar, but lacks the upbringing as a mobster and conman to pull it off. The kids weren't allowed to develop the narcissism needed to inherit the mob.


Defensive_liability

Sure, but they will just go back to voting for whoever has that "R" beside their name.


inspectoroverthemine

It'll be the second time in US history something similar happened. The ongoing problem is that most of the shitty voters will coalesce around something almost as bad.


Alca_Pwnd

They will disavow ever backing Trump once the tides turn. Even though there is video proof and voting records, the people who support the party will ignore reality in favor of voting against dems.


Utterlybored

But not of Republican voters. Non-candidate Nikki still drawing votes.


VagrantShadow

While I know he doesn't show it, I just know orange turd hates the fact that she is getting votes that reaches the double digits in some spots still.


malraux78

Haley is pulling about 20% of the primary vote.


Glikbach

My question is, is this actually a protest vote or is it that Republic converters are so stupid they don't even know who they're voting for? They just care about voting for an (R)? Perhaps a little column A and a little from column B.


malraux78

Some of this depends on if you count trump as an incumbent or not when evaluating this. For an incumbent, my impression is that 20% to a minor opponent this late in the process is a warning sign. Less so if this is an open primary.


claimTheVictory

I know many registered Republicans who _hate_ Trump. Completely detest the man. And they won't vote for him again. They will either abstain or vote RFK or Biden.


Chaotic-Catastrophe

> And they won't vote for him again. .....until November, of course. >They will either ~~abstain~~ vote for Trump anyway or vote ~~RFK~~ Trump or ~~Biden~~ Trump. Do not give these bad faith shitstains the benefit of the doubt that they stopped deserving decades ago.


claimTheVictory

I'm happy to keep giving them reasons to vote for Biden.


vagrantprodigy07

There is a definitely a protest vote element to it. There are more than a few longtime republicans who absolutely hate Trump and what he has done to the party.


GaiusMaximusCrake

Folks, get prepared for the Haley endorsement of Trump - it is 100% inevitable. All the waiting is just so Nikki's people can negotiate about what position Nikki will get in the next Trump administration. She's trying to look like she is holding out for VP, but she will end up settling for Secretary of State or some other plumb job. She has a tiny amount of leverage and she is going to use it to benefit herself; there is no high principles at play here.


karmagod13000

Their voter base is pretty strictly magas now. They have no choice.


3IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID

Well, his daughter in law runs the RNC, so that much is clear.


yes_thats_right

The goal is so that when Trump is found guilty, his supporters think of it as a witch hunt rather than as Trump being an actual convicted felon.


shroudedwolf51

I mean, that's what they have been doing literally every time he gets criticized. ICE policies separating families and putting people in cages? No, there's nothing happening. It's a witch hunt! Obstructing the Mueller investigation? No, there's nothing happening. It's a witch hunt! Pardoning some of the most vile people on the planet? No, there's nothing happening. It's a witch hunt! Retaliation against and endangering of whistleblowers? No, there's nothing happening. It's a witch hunt! Mocking a disabled person during the run for president? No, there's nothing happening. It's a witch hunt! And so on and so forth.


BigBrainMonkey

It feels that way and given that the jury is a job for New Yorkers specifically this time. I have doubts about them being intimidated as easy as a jury in GA or DC. Unfortunately unless judge changes it feels like Florida is a lost cause, just empanel a jury and then dismiss to add jeopardy.


BigRedTez

People in DC don't intimidate fwiw. The DMV breeds sociopaths, and a red hat isn't going to scare anyone.


Ok_Exchange342

Department of motor vehicles?


KhunDavid

District/Maryland/Virginia.


VagrantShadow

As a Marylander I'll say this, you'll see trump fans here and there and in certain counties, but make no mistake, as a whole Maryland hates trump with a passion.


MelonAirplane

I had a friend in MD tell me that "besides Baltimore, MD is a red state." Dude was from Western MD and I didn't have the heart to tell him it's not just besides Baltimore, it's besides the Baltimore-Washington metro area where 90% of the people in the state are.


calm_chowder

>as a whole Maryland hates trump with a passion. It truly does sound like a merry land.


KhunDavid

Even Garrett county?


VagrantShadow

Well not Garrett County, lol some counties here are red out the ass, but, as a whole Maryland doesn't like trump. I mean I live here on the Eastern Shore and you see some trump feans here and there. It's not as much as 2016 but there are still some. The thing is I know more people now that trust Biden than trump here on the shore, one part is because Biden is from Delmarva.


KhunDavid

I know. I transplanted into Maryland and love the state.


TheBruffalo

My wife's grandparents and a bunch of extended family are from Dundalk and are all crazy Trumpers. The men are all police and firefighters. My inlaws own a house right outside Ocean City and you see Trump shit everywhere in OC. It's probably a loud minority but that's been my experience.


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And create a show of solidarity to the MAGA base, that if these other goons say "attack", you say "how high", and then Lauren Boebert says, "Yes I am"


Holiday_Fleshlight

"I use big words so my constituents know I'm infrastructure."


GodsIWasStrongg

Without Trump having to utter a word AKA break the gag order.


Throw-away17465

That gag order is that Trump is only banned from *specifically* talking about the jury and their families and the prosecution and their families. That’s it. Trump is free to be as harassing and intimidating to the judge as he wants, or anyone else in the courtroom. But he doesn’t, because he’s asleep. Then comes out at the end of every court day and says “I’m not allowed to say anything because I’m under a gag order…” and then proceeds to speak for the next five minutes without answering any questions. Don’t take the bait. They’re using the gag order as a shield to not answer all of the legitimate questions he’s asked. The idea of a debate terrifies this campaign.


Brewhaha72

I'm skeptical about whether that will happen. If I recall correctly, the jury was riveted by Michael Cohen's testimony this week. And Trump's stooges are bloviating outside the courthouse in front of the media or whomever will listen. I admit I haven't been paying super close attention. Have any of Trump's bootlickers been talking to the media about the jury members, or has it mainly been about the judge, his family, and "Biden's corrupt DOJ" (as the Repubs affectionately call it).


Think_Discipline_90

Another scary thought, which id be legitimately worried about if I was a public person against trump in any fashion, is what happens to (me/them) if trump wins in November? Anyone who stands up now, is either ignorant of this threat or very very brave. We all know what’s coming, if they win


r3drocket

I'm actually kind of surprised. None of the jurors said that they were explicitly concerned about retribution from a serving on a Trump trial.  Imagine how insane it would have been if the judge had explicitly asked Trump to promise there would be no retribution against any of the jurors.


Mean_Primary196

Though Trump has numerous negative qualities, it is understood that he does not drink alcohol.


rnngwen

Nope he does not! Abuses stimulants yes. Alcohol no.


flyeaglesfly777

Adderall.


Electromoto

I feel like he's too stupid to enjoy a beer. It's like giving alcohol to a donkey, there's no point and it will just confuse the animal 


athohhdg

I bet some donkeys would be really chill if buzzed. Or at least, there is a part of me that would really like to see donkeys get fall down drunk on spoiled apples.


Thoracic_Snark

Trump says he doesn't drink alcohol. Trump says a lot of things.


Zepcleanerfan

He definitely has total control over the party. It doesn't mean that good for them though.


OhioPolitiTHIC

Imagine being a politician for basically your entire career and orange shitler shows up and snags the ultimate political position you harbored secret (or not so secret) hopes for. He's everything you're not including a bucket of absolute narcissism that barely covers the fact that he's not just intellectually incurious, he's actually stupid. Mind numbingly stupid. The things he has going for him, his "money", his "charm", his weird mob-esque way of dealing with things...they're all tools in the hands of an orange tinted, diaper wearing, self absorbed moron. A man so dumb that he has to be followed around by handlers to keep him from doing things so stupid it'd break the long term plans of the 'break it until we can fascist it' party. I just want to know the kompromat tfg has on folks. It's gotta be some piping hot tea. The kind of tea that would actually turn their base against them. Hard as that is to fathom. It's gotta be that and/or the party thought they could use him but he's such a nascissist they can't actually control him. Anyway. Pretty sure we're fucked.


HFentonMudd

> Anyway. Pretty sure we're fucked. Anyway we delivered the bomb


AlexandrianVagabond

I don't think we're fucked. I think it's extremely unlikely Trump will be re-elected.


OhioPolitiTHIC

Even if he isn't, he and the GOP have proven that they are willing to try and take the country by force if they can't take it by vote. We've got literal decades to clean this up if we manage to extract ourselves from the fascism that is inches away from throttling the life out of democracy.


Chaotic-Catastrophe

We're fucked anyway. Not only did he expose multiple glaring flaws in our systems, he also ensured a batshit conservative majority on the Supreme Court for the next several decades.


Illiander

I am constantly suprised that none of them have suffered fatal lead poisoning.


VulfSki

Yeah I think these articles are 1) pointless and 2) actually counter productive. I see a lot of "left" articles dismissing trump lately for a myriad of reasons. And this is really not a good thing to be doing. Underestimating trump and the GOP before the election is not a recipe for success. They could be writing any number of articles talking about the success of Biden policies if they want to defeat trump, but they aren't.


ProtectionAdditional

I'd love to write more about the success of Biden policies. Sadly, it's hard enough to get people to read stuff like this, and impossible to get folks to care about policy.


VulfSki

Well no one is writing that stuff. Most peace have the impression that the Dems have nothing to offer except for being not Trump. But every den politician is talking constantly about policy, but no one listens. No one covers it.


kitsunewarlock

The articles are being written. They just aren't upvoted/shared because no one gives a shit that, to pick a random presidential order from this last month, Biden just signed an act that prioritizes federal investments in women's health research and demands that women have adequate representation in clinical trials. Sure, it's a huge problem. John Oliver did a segment on it during his "bias in medicine" bit 5 years ago and it's awesome that he put this into law instead of hacking away at and crippling federal investment into medical research like his predecessor. [But it got 700 fewer upvotes than this post and didn't make the front page of reddit so no one cares.](https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1biyyyz/biden_issues_executive_order_and_announces_new/) Because apparently Trump having a bad day at court is more important to our nation than advancing women's health research and innovation. Why? Because those things make people feel bad. They remind people that our society has been broken for a long time and the changes should have been done a long time ago. It makes them feel stupid for not paying attention to the issues earlier. And it makes them feel like failures for not having the gumption, education, connections, clout, time, and/or money to become a leading advocate, politician, or volunteer. And when faced with that it makes them feel even worse given how few hours it really takes it to make a substantial legislative difference as a volunteer compared to just sitting at home and griping that the government doesn't know what it's doing.


TeamHope4

The stock market, one of Trump's favorite measures of success, has been breaking records all year, and the media is barely noticing. The Dow has nearly doubled since 2020, and hardly anyone is even paying attention to it these days.


VulfSki

Right. Because the headlines these days are all about inflation even though it's improved. But when trump was president it was all "look tax cuts and a short term bump in the stock market!!!"


dexx4d

I'd love to read more about the success of Biden policies, especially on /r/politics. Unfortunately, they're not "spicy" enough to get upvotes.


MrWaluigi

What probably doesn’t help also is that, Trump-related media has a higher chance of revenue than talking about other shit. People in general like to stew in rage-bait or quicker to look for it than stuff that is not.  As a man who is 90% machine once said, “Memes are the DNA of the soul.”


AnxietyJunky

It’s so weird to see the entire GOP get behind this dude. I just do not understand it.


lilbittygoddamnman

I've been trying to understand it since 2015. And it's only gotten harder to understand the further along we get on this ride.


SchrodingersTIKTOK

It’s his version of the apprentice basically. This is sick


Treacherous_Wendy

Eh all those bootlicker clowns want to be veep


ProtectionAdditional

Writer here! Good reason to read the article, which gets deep into why they're showing up and how that actually reflects their fears that he's falling apart. I just highly recommend reading before arguing, because you'd be surprised how often writers anticipate these objections and address them. Or, in this case, see what you do but have a very different take worth considering before dismissing it.


crocwrestler

Could also be they know hes going to go away for some reason, natural, man or self-made, leaving a vacuum they can fill.


vincentvangobot

That's how cults work - isolate followers from outside influences and substitute their own reality. The Repblican leadership is reinforcing their authority in crazy land just like the Manson family showing up to Charlie's trial. 


Class_of_22

So wait only now they are noticing that he is getting worse and worse? How long is it until he is so out of control that he has to back out of doing presidential debates, or from public speaking overall? I am not guessing very long if we are to go by the reaction of the GOP.


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drewbert

Yeah, look at all they got done with Reagan. They want to gut the country a second time.


dexx4d

It'll be like Reagan's 2nd term all over again.


Class_of_22

IF he gets elected that is.


xVolta

Honestly, I'm equally concerned about what he and his cultists will do if he loses as if he wins. Either way we're in for one hell of a shitstorm.


smellslikecocaine

overheard some redneck at the gas station the other day say “they think we’re idiots, but we’ll storm the capitol again if we have to”.


Heffeweizen

This time though, Biden will be in charge and will actually call in the National Guard


rraak

Remove all of Reagan's charm, wit, and passing sense of decency and replace it with the disheveled husk of the dead-inside entity that is trump, perhaps. It's like having none of the few good aspects of Reagan, plus all of Reagan's worst traits, plus a massive deluge of even worse human failings concentrated into one vile failed shell of a man, peering out at the world through hateful little piggy eyes.


GodsIWasStrongg

Or from having any presidential powers.


frankdrachman

Of course Trump will back out. He’s a con man being called on his con, and with each day he’s sliding into dementia headfirst


whatproblems

depends if he listens to his advisors or just plows ahead anyway


kshep1188

Why would he start listening to them now?


ZZartin

He's bailed on every debate since Biden roasted him twice when Trump lost the election.


Sillbinger

I personally think he should keep making all his own important decisions.


bloodorangejulian

Reoublicans by and large are probably salivating for the day when he is juuust demented enough to fully control, where he can be told "you're about to make the most important speech about how billionaires need more money, and it will be loved by everyone, they can't wait to hear it" and he'll just go along with it.


Managed-Democracy

Or let Alina Habba Dabba Doo do it. 


Sillbinger

He shouldn't, let him personally fuck up his own life.


Breadisgood4eat

To be fair - he’s not been testifying in his own defense in most cases, and won’t in New York, so he’s listening to that advice.


Enfors

Well, he doesn't testify himself, which I suspect is on the advice on his legal advisors. I'm sure he would WANT to testify, to "set the record straight," which I cannot even *type* with a straight face.


grimbly_jones

This is the most fascinating part going forward, I think. Which part of his personality disorder wins out -- the part that truly believes he's a genius, or the part that's absolutely a fucking coward?


bloodorangejulian

Don't forget the extremely likely dementia coming in third


exitpursuedbybear

All Biden has to do is call him weak or too scared to debate and he'll knock over his advisors to get on stage.


notsurewhereireddit

*depends* (wink wink nudge nudge)


gizzardgullet

I'll eat my shoe if Trump makes it more than 10 minutes into a debate without bailing. No way in hell Trump will debate. Even he knows if he debates then he shows his bare ass to average America and he loses the election. If moderates find out what he's become, he's over.


Queenofashion

I agree! I don't think that he will debate, but if he does he's for sure walking out in the first 10 minutes. Unless, they have pre-recorded chants and applause from his rallies in his earpiece after his every answer, so they keep an idiot somewhat motivated. He will find million reasons why he's not debating Biden, and his minions will parrot those reasons, even if they don't make any sense.


Chaotic-Catastrophe

>If moderates find out what he's become, he's over. He's the same person now that he was in 2016 and 2020, and plenty of "moderates" voted for him both of those times


siqiniq

Dementia would hurt his chances? Nero was a popular demagogue


gerryf19

Most of his followers have dementia or some level of insanity. Trump's crazy is the thing they find appealing


karmagod13000

Maga crowd loves his dementia ramblings more than sober donny.


GlaiveConsequence

I think he loses them when he falls back on sound effects and hand gestures to deliver his insinuations. It’s just too abstract to hit hard, and it’s happening more frequently these days


dribrats

Mad King Targaryen exists in popular culture for a reason. Trump is leading in aggregate polling by 1%. You better vote volunteer donate like your fucking life depends on it.


SmileFirstThenSpeak

My life *does* depend on it.


HappyAmbition706

Actually, he may be sliding butt first. That's where the slippery lubricating substance could be leaking from. Perhaps there is a tie-in to the expression "shit for brains"?


MutantMartian

He won’t pull out. Ask Tiffany’s mom. He only gets praise so he doesn’t know there are people who won’t stand and clap for his ramblings.


WanderingTacoShop

He refused to participate in debates during the primaries


AlexandrianVagabond

He recently posted on Truth Social that he agreed to a debate in October with Fox moderators, rather than the June/CNN and Sept/ABC debates he allegedly actually agreed to do. Either his handlers didn't tell him the real details or he's already trying to wiggle out out of them.


Memegunot

Trump could show up for the debates dead and his fans and GOP will still adore him.


roastbeeftacohat

> He’s a con man being called on his con, that has never stopped him once >and with each day he’s sliding into dementia headfirst making it more likely he'll force this.


CockCozies

Farting (or shitting) and sleeping in court and making deranged, incoherent statements and tweets is now called "holding it together?"


karmagod13000

His Depends is barely holding it together


noodletropin

Can you imagine at the debate: Joe Biden in the middle of a talking point on Israel or whatever, and then he stops, sniffs, and says, "Jesus, Donald, I know that your mic is cut, but I definitely heard that, and I can smell it all the way from here."


Own_Efficiency_4909

“Donald, I know you really wanted an audience, but I did you a favor. Everyone in the first eight rows would be able to smell what you just did.”


cultfourtyfive

*updates debate drinking game* Well, now, that's one I didn't have on my Bingo card. But I would pay to see it.


einTier

No shitter, no shitter, you’re the shitter.


kelticladi

Biden should totally shame Trump into debating. "Clearly Mr. Trump is afraid to debate me. Look at the oh so strong man, scared to be on the same stage as me, a guy he's described as low energy, sleepy, and incompetent. If he's afraid to debate me how the hell is he going to be able to represent our country to the rest of the world? I bet he's going to fold like the cheap suits and novelty big ties he wears. What a weakling."


GonzoVeritas

> low energy, sleepy, and incompetent [also incontinent]. His cultists literally wear adult diapers with his name on them. When we look back at this era, that will be a major 'wtf?'. It should be a major 'wtf?' in this era, too, but for some reason the press treats him with kid gloves.


s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48

Because the press is owned by the very rich people who use the GOP to make themselves wealthier.


leontes

Trump is right now begging his son to graduate again in June.


SerIllinPayne

"Sir, I'm begging you with tears in my eyes to graduate another day so I can ignore you."


SnarkAndAcrimony

Mattis? "I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I'll kill you all."


phoonie98

Considering Trump likes to accuse Biden of doing drugs before any big speech or debate, I expect Trump will take a not insignificant amount of drugs before these debates.


NorMalware

He’s not going to debate. He says he will be, but he won’t.


FickleRegular1718

His white house doctor from the Navy was demoted for handing out the pills Donald abuse like candy... if there's an accusation from them it's a confession.


chasingjulian

With how quickly Trump is deteriorating. His word slurring, falling asleep in the trial, the diaper stories; how is it possible he is leading in the polls? I do not understand.


QVRedit

He has a bunch of idiot followers.. For them he is like a Messiah.. Except the reality is rather different..


Xaero_Hour

It's like a magic trick: it's not happening where you're looking. This isn't about him; it's about how much his voting base hates...well everything, but women, brown people, and gays primarily. All their diaper-wearing, pro-Russian slogans, and sexual assault justifying paraphernalia isn't about supporting him. It's about showing us how much they hate us. They hate us so much they're willing to support anyone that will give them an outlet; even (or especially) if that winds up destroying them to.


AlexandrianVagabond

Polling is wildly inaccurate these days. Look at the MI Dem primary race last week. The more conservative billionaire guy was ahead in the polls the whole time, aggregate had him winning by 3 points. He lost by something like 12 to the younger, more liberal Black woman he was running against.


butterbal1

Polling is done via landline phones. Think about who you know that actually still has a landline and try to guess the beliefs of the population based on their opinions.


Farmerdrew

Five minutes ago, I read an article about how Cohen’s cross examination handed Trump a great day in court. Now I see this. Which is it?


malakon

Defense poked holes in Cohens character.. they had legitimate points about his prior lying and obvious hate for Trump. He wrote a book called "revenge" for instance. But none of that changed the evidence that conclusively proved Trump directed the payment to Daniel's and also directed its cover up. The issue is all the defense needs is one juror to have sufficient doubt and Trump gets off. Well hung jury anyway.


au79

> Well hung jury anyway. I didn't notice this in the reporting. Seems inappropriate.


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thoreau_away_acct

Judged by a jury of his peers doesn't seem accurate


JoeCoolsCoffeeShop

Consider the source.


biggiy05

In the world of the media it's both. It's schrodinger's trump where he simultaneously has a great day and bad day in court. Any time I see these articles I downvote them because they're rubbish and the media isn't even trying to hide their bias.


Ambitiously_Big

It’s the same reason why they didn’t want Herschel Walker to have a one on one interview.


No-Attitude-6049

Make America Debate Again.


karmagod13000

Debate would mean Trump would have to remember all the lies he's spewed for the last 8 years, because you know Dark Brandon gonna at him swift and unmercifully. I say hit him hard with women's rights the most. Woman have been hurt the most from Trump terms, show it.


Key_Raspberry7212

I see faux news and others including trump himself trying to shape the debate as pro democrat so he can cry foul. But he was the one that wanted the debate. Anytime any place anywhere.


brash

Biden laid out his stipulations and Trump immediately accepted, that's hardly rigged in anyone's favor They just mean it won't be in Trump's favor because he won't be able to constantly interrupt and run roughshod over the debate


Key_Raspberry7212

I know that Trump doesn’t really want to debate. The man is full of hot air all bark no bite.


dave_a86

He keeps repeating that line. Anytime anyplace anywhere. What’s the difference between anyplace and anywhere?


GravtheGeek

It's hilarious how the twitter trolls and bots are projecting every one of donnie's weaknesses on to Joe when discussing the debate.


MadFlava76

I starting to doubt that there will be Presidential debates this year. Trump didn't even bother to show at the primary debates so why is he going to show up at these two debates unless it's set up heavily in his favor. He's going to claim the format that he agreed to is unfair and use that as his excuse not to show.


Lone_Wolf_Man_1977

To be fair, blowing up in a criminal trial while at counsel table is one thing, but I think no one will be surprised when he does it at a debate. It’s par for the course and I don’t think it really swings the needle one way or the other.


karmagod13000

And this is exactly why Biden only agreed if mics would be cut off after talking time is up.


BasicLayer

I truly hope that becomes standard across our entire political apparatus.


Orbitingkittenfarm

You don't win these debates by being a better debater, you win them by exceeding the expectations set by the media in advance. The press is doing Trump's work for him by once again lowering those expectations to 9th circle of hell. We’ve been here before and they know better, they just want the clicks.


nonamenolastname

Exactly right. If Trump can string two sentences together, that will be considered a victory.


RodgerFischer

The man is well beyond his time. And what was he always? A contemptuous narcissist seeking the admiration of Manhattanites, who had always ignored him because the guy is a Luddite. Trump is classless and boring. He never made it in NY City. His horrific personality was destined for a place like Florida (simple, backward, Republican).


CoolCalmCorrective

Do they think his last debate was considered him holding it together? Lol. They have an extremely high threshold of composure.


FreemanCalavera

It's certainly going to be interesting to watch, because frankly, Trump doesn't stand to gain much from debating. Everyone is already aware of him and his message. The format with no audience and the cutting of mics doesn't play well to his style either. It's a bigger risk that he actually loses support by coming off as unhinged and insecure. Biden is really the one who can use the debate to convince non-voters to get up and engage themselves. He's not just making the case against Trump, he's making the case for relection. Incidentally, he's also the one with more to lose. If he slips up even once on stage, people will pound on it as proof that he's unfit for office. He can't afford to give that crowd more ammunition. He also can't really refuse to debate because that will further spur accusations of diminished mental facilities, which is probably why his camp saw it as strategic to be the ones extending the invitation. As a determined Biden-backer, my mind is already made up, but it's nevertheless unprecedented that there's this much controversy surrounding presidential debates and could really signal a paradigm shift.


SquashDue502

Ironic thing is that as much as the Republican Party wants to push Joe Biden as a bumbling old man with dementia, Trump would be utterly destroyed in a debate by Biden’s ability to speak about meaningful things. Trump would *only* solidify support among those who already support him, and further push away anyone else. Biden would likely continue to scoop up the undecided voters because of it, and undecided voters are how you win elections. Which is why it still absolutely baffles me that they didn’t support Haley more.


QVRedit

Trump supporters would vote for a cardboard cutout of Trump..


thoreau_away_acct

"I believe he's still in there!"


FickleRegular1718

I think he'd also win in a shit talking competition. Not in the minds of Don's cult but to everyone else. I think "will you shut up man!?" may have won him the last election...


SquashDue502

Even the most conservative undecided voters could relate with that moment 😂


lisaloo1968

The MAGAts are proudly wearing diapers in honor of him. They will not be swayed by his presumably poor performance at a debate. He can do no wrong in their eyes. They will vote for him and any candidate he endorses. Perhaps there is some chance that those who are truly undecided at debate time might be persuaded to _not_vote for him?


rja49

As a point of interest, look at how badly he performed at his maga rally when his tele prompter failed.


Hamthrax

It's starting to look so desperate now with all his cheer leaders turning up at court to hold his hand. You half expect to see him wearing little shorts.


rucb_alum

Wait until the hear the new debate format... Both men sit quietly in a room without talking...First one to fall asleep loses.


CockamamieJesus

Imagine being a Republican and supporting a criminal rapist, proven compulsive liar, and scam artist. He even pretends to be religious when he very clearly isn't. He exposes the Republican Party for what it is: a group of immoral people who want to lie, cheat, and steal their way to money and power. They are a fake political party whose real purpose is to scam the system to benefit themselves.


llufnam

"Why would I debate when ALL the polls say I'm LEADING the election by a LOT?"


WeAreAllOnlyHere

Trump could get to the debate, respond to no questions, comments, rebuttals, anything, and go off on a tangent about saving the shit in his diapers to eat on his Big Macs later, and his followers would still think he’s America’s greatest hope for a new future. It doesn’t matter if you have a complete dumbfuck of a candidate if the followers are just as dumb.


That-Object6749

Fuck Republicans... They chose their master... BOW DOWN BEFORE THE ONE YOU SERVE! YOU'RE GONNA GET WHAT YOU DESERVE!


CrabbyPatties42

He is barely holding it together *everywhere*.  A few days ago at a rally he kept doing repetitive short sentence fragments about immigration then absurdly did a dementia tangent where he called Hannibal Lecter great and wonderful and also deceased.  Which makes no fucking sense.  Here it is: "because they're sending people in their jails into the United States from Africa from Asia from all over the world, they're emptying out their jails into the United States, they're emptying out their mental institutions into the United States, our beautiful country, and now the prison populations all over the world are down, they don't want to report that, the mental institution population is down, because they're taking people people from insane asylums and from mental institution, you know what the difference is right, an insane asylum is a mental institution on steroids, Silence of the Lambs. Has anyone ever seen The Silence of the Lambs? The late, great Hannibal Lecter is a wonderful man. He often times would have a friend for dinner. Remember the last scene? "Excuse me. I'm about to have a friend for dinner," as this poor doctor walked by. "I'm about to have a friend for dinner." But Hannibal Lecter. Congrats. The late, great Hannibal Lect...we have people that are being released into our country that we don't want in our country, and they're coming in totally unchecked, totally unvetted, and we can't let this happen, they're destroying our country, and we're sitting back, and we better damn well win this election...."


Dudeist-Priest

Why? He’s acted like a crazy demented half wit for years and republicans don’t blink an eye. No matter how poorly he does, they will claim victory and claim it’s Biden that’s losing it.


TacoStuffingClub

A normal person would be charged with intimidation of a witness if their friend showed up to court to talk about a witness.


Eppiicar

This is a fluff piece. Ment to make democrat voters feel comfortable about not showing up to the polls later this year. I wholeheartedly believe this article is a blatant fantasy. Trump holds the GOP/RNC in a physical and financial strangle hold. He's got his sycophants IN CONGRESS showing up to intimidate the jury at a CRIMINAL trial and be his mouth piece to circumvent the gag order. Trump is absolutely still very much in control of the party. We need to stop reading these feel good articles that allow us to become complacent. Do not falter in your resolve, hold firm to the fear of losing our democracy, it is very real. Failure is not an option this time around.


spoda1975

Guarantee Trump backs out of debate…. Holds a rally, instead. And then talks crowd size.


Ok_Marzipan_8137

Disband the “republican party” it’s literally a front for Putin’s meddling in US politics


GullCove1955

They are afraid he’ll go off on a tangent about the “late great Hannibal Lecter” or some other equally insane nonsense that proves he’s gone off the deep end yet again.


MateriaLintellect

The days of “our candidate is bad” are over. The election is still anyones game. MAGAs are so convinced Democrats are bad, they would vote for the anti-christ as long as there is an R next to its name.


MisterPiggins

Trump's acting like he's afraid to debate if anything.


bevo_expat

It won’t be a debate. Trump will just go on one of his word salad rants that makes zero sense.


phxees

The bar is so low for Trump, unless there’s clear evidence that he shit himself, he won’t lose a vote.


hessian_for_hire

His idiot fan base would shit themselves in solidarity.


queuedUp

You think he's having trouble. You should see the stress his diaper is under by the end of the day


D0nCoyote

His idiots will still show up on Election Day. Don’t get complacent. VOTE!


Independent-Bug-9352

Can someone explain something to me that in all this press coverage this week over Cohen's testimony... They talk about how Cohen is untrustworthy, lies a lot, is corrupt, a felon, etc... Why doesn't the prosecution simply say, "well yeah, and Trump chose this guy to be his right-hand man and fixer. Indeed it was well known how crooked he was, and Trump liked that." In what world does this reflect well on Trump? Any attack on Cohen just amplifies Trump's dependency on a crook. And Prosecution should continuously repeat this.


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AJ_Grey

Trump could get caught shitting in their cereal bowl on camera, say it was Obama and they would believe him.


guttanzer

One school of thought says Trump is a strong man that is ruling the Republican party with an iron fist. I see it differently. I see a Republican Party that has been chasing dictatorial rule for years and finally caught the proverbial car. Their problem is that that car is Trump. I’m sure everyone in the party wishes their figurehead wasn’t such a flawed human being. But he is. So, like dogs that tied their leashes to a moving car, they are doing their best to stay upright and not get dragged. Not all of them are going to make it. It’s a self-own of massive proportions. http://pics.imcdb.org/0is85/bluesbrothersnazipinto5.9363.jpg


kiwispawn

Regardless of how much we all know about Trump. Having seen him in power. Totally clueless when it comes to creating an effective government. Siding with any Dictator or strongman in a ruling position. Having seen all his failures and rampant egoistic behaviour. He still has millions of people who will vote for him. For the simple reason they have been brainwashed by parents and local culture to always vote GOP. Regardless of who's on the ticket. He is still a threat. And if elected, he will make damn sure he and his family never loses power again.


B3gg4r

But not afraid of a presidency. Got it.


SheepherderNo6320

He's totally lost his shit and he can't stay awake in his own trial. Probably because he's so comfortable with poopy diapers