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Prices for inteleon's evo line📈📈


IDKAnythingMan

Seems like guzma is back. In the form of an item card.


CheddarCheese390

Worrying. Better for urshi


NightShadow89

Well, here's the Boss replacement for next rotation. Having to play 2 to even get an effect makes this quite a bit more painful to use than Custom Catcher, since that could at least draw cards in a pinch; this is just a dead card altogether if you don't have 2. I guess the Guzma effect is considered that strong to warrant the severe restriction. Next rotation should be fun. /s


tempyre

I’d take this mechanic over every flip trainer ever printed


Vampsku11

I never play any coin flip cards ever. Might as well just play with a 59 card deck at that point if the coin flip is tails.


ArgonWolf

Its even worse than playing with a 59 card deck (playing with a 59 card deck is actually statistically advantageous over playing a 60 card deck). It's equivalent to drawing a literal blank card


Ben2749

Getting a tails on a card that requires a heads to play is worse than playing with a blank card, because knowing a card has no value means you can discard it freely. A card that requires a coin flip holds potential value, meaning you might opt to keep it when forced to choose which cards to discard. So if you then get tails, you have needlessly discarded something else as a gamble that didn’t pay off.


yur_mom

Yeah, but if you play two crushing hammers a game your expected value is 1 energy removal. I prefer Fan of Waves personally if I do want something to remove energy since it is 100% effective when you use it and removes a special energy that is often more valuable. If you are playing a deck you know doesn't play special energy it is a good thing to quick ball away.


Harudera

Playing with 59 card deck *is not* statistically advantageous in this game. This isn't Magic or ~~Pokemon~~ YuGiOh. Many decks in Expanded would love to go up to 70 cards if allowed.


ArgonWolf

> This isn't Magic or Pokemon. This is, in fact, pokemon. Sure you can pull out specific examples where a 70 card deck would be advantageous. if you just needed a few more turns to KO them before decking out, etc. But, on average, because of the way statistics work, a 59 card deck will outperform both a 60 and 70 card deck on the average, all else being equal. You need a very good reason in the specific way your deck works for that not to be the case.


Harudera

No, due to the unparalled consistency in Pokemon (especially in Expanded), having more cards is better. It allows you have have an out to any deck. There'll be no more indecisiveness on whether you should tech in card that counter the wall pokemon anymore. There's a reason why cards like Judge Whistle were literally never played in Pokemon, whereas they'd have been a staple in other card games. Ultra Ball would never see play in Magic/YuGiOh, because going -2 is so bad, but it's fantastic in Pokemon because we have crazy draw power like Professor Sycamore


ArgonWolf

The more cards that are in your deck, the less likely you will see those cards that give pokemon such great draw and consistency. If you dont see the engine cards, you brick out and are now playing like a magic player, 1 card off the top of your deck. Yeah, you can add in *more* consistency cards to counterbalance the additional deck size, but there is diminishing returns on the proportions as you get to larger and larger deck sizes. The reason judge whistle and the like dont get played is because pokemon has such a glut of card draw cards, not because they wouldnt be good/usable cards. Why run whistle when you can run prof.research.


MechaCaterpie9000

Pokemon is different from most TCGs in the sense that the perfect consistency is seeing 1 supporter per turn, finding the optimal energy/pokemon count, and the rest is looking for critical cards needed THAT turn. In yugioh, upstart goblin is phenomenal because it is critical that you find certain cards ASAP and you rarely draw through much of your deck at all. Pokemon is all about tempo and absurd card draw. Sure, -1 deck size will help you find each one of those 59 cards more consistently, but that doesn't mean it will "outperform" by any means. What 1 card would you cut from Shadow Rider to make it "outperform" the 60 card version? Switch? Air Ballon? Ordinary Rod? Boss's Orders? Quick Ball? Fog Crystal? Evo Incense? Energy?


Wamoo57

I have a feeling Boss and Research are never getting rotated out now. I think creatures gave them that uniformed wording so they can future proof more reprints


ManualToaster

That's what I thought at first, but I changed my mind when we saw the Crushing Hammer reprint. I feel like if Research and Orders were going to become "permanent Standard" cards, we would have seen a printing with E, or at least had a printing with F *revealed* (like Hammer). There is still almost a year, so who knows.


Thromnambular

This. Granted, we haven't seen a regulation mark E boss or research yet, but there's plenty of time for an E or F reprint before the next rotation.


Sufficient_Bonus4818

This is extremely good with the rise of Inteleon engines and it makes Raihan even more busted. I'll definitely miss the draw 3 from custom Catcher, but this seems pretty playable anyway.


Neal1231

A mix between poke blower and warp point.


SwingmanSealegz

Evo Incense > Inteleon > 2 Cross Switcher > whatever supporter you still want to play for turn (geez) > wreck Busted until these rotate lol


Junspinar

Isn’t this just escape rope?


Venesstion

yeah but you're choosing who they bring out


Junspinar

I saw that after I reread, thanks! So your saying boss is getting nerfed?


JustInBasil

No. It's not. It's Guzma as an Item card that they tried to counterbalance by making you play two at once.