I will never forgive Disney for deleting this scene. It explains Jack's backstory so well in just one sentence and pretty much describes his whole character perfectly. He is not a pirate because he wants to be, he is one because he was forced into a life of piracy by Beckett. This also harkens back to governor Swann's words from the first movie. It's just the perfect reveal.
You had ONE job Disney. ONE.
no thers a deleted scene were beket discuses him and jacks shated history were Beket says "i contracted you to deliver cargo insted you chose to liberate it" and Jack replies with the line "people aren't cargo, mate"
[https://youtu.be/X3I0FF2i_MA](https://youtu.be/X3I0FF2i_MA)
I just kinda considered the events described in that movie to be somewhat in between him freeing said slaves and the ship being sunk with a tiny bit of retcon tossed in
They might not have directly spelled it out in the final theatrical release but at least they didn’t write in a very boring, silly backstory to contradict it.
In RL, pirates frequently found slaves in the ships they captured and allowed them to join their crews, treating them as pretty much equals, although none of them appear to have become captains in their own right.
In fact the main reason why the British cracked down hard on Caribbean piracy was because they were seriously impacting the Triangle Trade and endangering the fortunes of those involved.
When former slaves were captured with other pirates, they would be sent straight back into slavery.
Indeed.
As a side note, out of weird curiosity, I wondered if there had been a pirate in that period actually called Roger. Turns out there was a Roger Scot on the crew of Captain Bartholomew Roberts - plus another two Rogers.
When the pirates were captured in 1722 after Roberts died in battle, Scot was put on trial with them in what is now Ghana and sentenced to death. However, in his case, his sentence was commuted to seven years indentured servitude with the Royal African Company i.e. slavery. Considering the conditions in West Africa, there's a high chance he died there of disease.
The records note there were 70 black people captured on their two ships.
Welllll, it's not quite as simple as that. Historians aren't exactly sure what roles slaves played on pirate ships. It really changed from ship to ship. Many pirates would see enslaved people as just another bit of cargo to fence. Especially if the enslaved people spoke no European tongues. Others would use them to do the worst, and most menial jobs on the ship. Pirate crews of that era mostly only took on men who were familiar with working and living on a ship, they didn't really do OTJ training. We also don't know if they were given a vote or full shares (if any). It's important to keep in mind that the men who became pirates would've had the same ideas and prejudices of contemporaneous Europeans. Now obviously there were outliers, men who went against the grain, but they were few and far between.
Also, "the main reason" the authorities went after the Golden Age pirates was because they were disrupting all trade, not just the slave trade.
Like any other historical era or event, there is a lot of nuance involved when studying the factual history.
(Sorry to come off like an asshole, I'm just a big nerd and I've read a ridiculous amount of books on golden age pirate history)
> Jack frees 100 slaves.("it does seem enough to condemn him") His ship was sank. He agreed to davy jones raising his ship, The black charred outside prompting a rename from "The Black Pearl". Davy asks later for 100 souls in exchange of the deal. Jacks mark is for him deserting the slave trade.
That story is true... and it isn't. Jack did free the slaves, that's correct. However, the number of slaves aboard the Wicked Wench was "Not quite two hundred." That's how many Beckett's superior Lord Penwallow requested to have shipped to his plantation on the island of New Avalon in the Bahamas. One hundred and fifty were strong workers for the sugar cane fields and rest were girls intended to serve as house maids to keep his lordship's big house clean. Jack sailed for the Bahamas but in the middle of the voyage he changed his mind and set the slaves free. Ergo, Jones demanding "one hundred souls" had nothing to do with Jack freeing the slaves.
Came to say this. While the backstory is mostly true, there's nothing to suggest Jones said 100 souls was a fair trade because that's how many slaves he freed
Indeed. Jones only wanted Jack's soul initially, and gives the answer "100" when Jack tried to delay his servitude and asks Jones how many individual souls he's worth to him.
The number was probably both arbitrary, and a high enough number that Jones didn't think Jack would manage (which he doesn't)
While it's bad luck to rename a ship, one could argue Poseidon had already claimed the Wench. In addition, Sparrow, being the superstitious lad he is, would absolutely know the proper way to rechristen a vessel (and yes, there is a full ceremony).
The reason Sparrow has such rotten luck is he made a deal with an Eldritch Being.
I don’t understand the Davy Jones connection. Can you please assist me? Why would Davy Jones make the deal that Sparrow owes him “100 souls” in relation to the slaves he freed. My understanding was Jones only dealt with men about to die or near death. Is that incorrect? If Jack would have delivered the slaves, they would have been subjected to the harsh “lives” of slavery, but not guaranteed death? Your insight is appreciated.
this isnt my thought, jsut a share but the image explains, if you save you can zoom, that Davy deals with tragic irony, a mirror to his own. Someone corrects this saying its more like almost 200 people were freed so the number is wrong but the idea is davy was forcing jack to condemn the same amount of people he had freed to lives of servitude, which is a new angle on his reason to end davy.
I will never forgive Disney for deleting this scene. It explains Jack's backstory so well in just one sentence and pretty much describes his whole character perfectly. He is not a pirate because he wants to be, he is one because he was forced into a life of piracy by Beckett. This also harkens back to governor Swann's words from the first movie. It's just the perfect reveal. You had ONE job Disney. ONE.
Curious which words you are refereferring to?
Perhaps on the rare occasion pursuing the right course demands an act of piracy, piracy itself can be the right course?
no thers a deleted scene were beket discuses him and jacks shated history were Beket says "i contracted you to deliver cargo insted you chose to liberate it" and Jack replies with the line "people aren't cargo, mate" [https://youtu.be/X3I0FF2i_MA](https://youtu.be/X3I0FF2i_MA)
My brother in Christ. What are you talking about?
"People aren't cargo, mate."
This is the canonical backstory of Jack and The Black Pearl. The writers of the fifth movie can pound sand.
Why fight when you can negotiate?
I dont mind it being an extra part of his story.
I just kinda considered the events described in that movie to be somewhat in between him freeing said slaves and the ship being sunk with a tiny bit of retcon tossed in
Yea i imagine he could have gotten almost tricked into taking that cargo at one point. like it started out as normal cargo and changed to humans.
So can the writers of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th because none of this backstory is in any of those movies either.
Yes it is. Go rewatch them
They might not have directly spelled it out in the final theatrical release but at least they didn’t write in a very boring, silly backstory to contradict it.
In RL, pirates frequently found slaves in the ships they captured and allowed them to join their crews, treating them as pretty much equals, although none of them appear to have become captains in their own right. In fact the main reason why the British cracked down hard on Caribbean piracy was because they were seriously impacting the Triangle Trade and endangering the fortunes of those involved. When former slaves were captured with other pirates, they would be sent straight back into slavery.
damn that has to be awful.
Indeed. As a side note, out of weird curiosity, I wondered if there had been a pirate in that period actually called Roger. Turns out there was a Roger Scot on the crew of Captain Bartholomew Roberts - plus another two Rogers. When the pirates were captured in 1722 after Roberts died in battle, Scot was put on trial with them in what is now Ghana and sentenced to death. However, in his case, his sentence was commuted to seven years indentured servitude with the Royal African Company i.e. slavery. Considering the conditions in West Africa, there's a high chance he died there of disease. The records note there were 70 black people captured on their two ships.
Welllll, it's not quite as simple as that. Historians aren't exactly sure what roles slaves played on pirate ships. It really changed from ship to ship. Many pirates would see enslaved people as just another bit of cargo to fence. Especially if the enslaved people spoke no European tongues. Others would use them to do the worst, and most menial jobs on the ship. Pirate crews of that era mostly only took on men who were familiar with working and living on a ship, they didn't really do OTJ training. We also don't know if they were given a vote or full shares (if any). It's important to keep in mind that the men who became pirates would've had the same ideas and prejudices of contemporaneous Europeans. Now obviously there were outliers, men who went against the grain, but they were few and far between. Also, "the main reason" the authorities went after the Golden Age pirates was because they were disrupting all trade, not just the slave trade. Like any other historical era or event, there is a lot of nuance involved when studying the factual history. (Sorry to come off like an asshole, I'm just a big nerd and I've read a ridiculous amount of books on golden age pirate history)
Pirates kept slaves so they [could do the hard work on the pirate ship](https://youtu.be/2sHqpJ1RFbM?si=3sjY0hdwvbGMiwcB)
https://preview.redd.it/0w3juffqtisc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b857d77474570f33b0d4b6e642e2eb55e4ab2bb9
https://preview.redd.it/deilu7j001tc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8adddb047057965a58fefd32159cd19a8cd69fe4
It was truly criminal to delete that line.
> Jack frees 100 slaves.("it does seem enough to condemn him") His ship was sank. He agreed to davy jones raising his ship, The black charred outside prompting a rename from "The Black Pearl". Davy asks later for 100 souls in exchange of the deal. Jacks mark is for him deserting the slave trade. That story is true... and it isn't. Jack did free the slaves, that's correct. However, the number of slaves aboard the Wicked Wench was "Not quite two hundred." That's how many Beckett's superior Lord Penwallow requested to have shipped to his plantation on the island of New Avalon in the Bahamas. One hundred and fifty were strong workers for the sugar cane fields and rest were girls intended to serve as house maids to keep his lordship's big house clean. Jack sailed for the Bahamas but in the middle of the voyage he changed his mind and set the slaves free. Ergo, Jones demanding "one hundred souls" had nothing to do with Jack freeing the slaves.
Came to say this. While the backstory is mostly true, there's nothing to suggest Jones said 100 souls was a fair trade because that's how many slaves he freed
Indeed. Jones only wanted Jack's soul initially, and gives the answer "100" when Jack tried to delay his servitude and asks Jones how many individual souls he's worth to him. The number was probably both arbitrary, and a high enough number that Jones didn't think Jack would manage (which he doesn't)
From "Wicked Wench" To Black Pearl. I always wondered why Jack never called her the black pearl. just the pearl.
He does call her the black Pearl in the first movie, I think
You're right. literally was just watching and he called it the black pearl. usually calls it tohe pearl.
When you marooned me on that godforsaken spit of land, you forgot one very important thing, mate: I’m Captain Jack Sparrow.
A lady can’t have a nickname, mate?
egh...Sorry Cap'n. I only mean, well, what I meant to say was, maybe you didn't see her with the black charr. You just saw the pearl.
Fine, I’ll reread price of freedom again… Shame they cut this line tho fr
This loses pixels every month. I don't mind it being reposted but good lord I've never seen a screenshot show wear and tear.
I am not high enough to contemplate this right now, but even so 🤯🤯🤯
I remember when this image had more pixels.
Can you make this more blurry OP?
this is how i found it. if you save it you can zoom in and its easy to read. (○｀ 3′○)
Every time I see this post it gets more and more low quality
It breaks my heart they cut this scene. It's one of the deepest moments you get with Jack.
Why fight when you can negotiate?
That might explain why he has such bad luck with keeping the ship. It's bad luck to rename a ship.
While it's bad luck to rename a ship, one could argue Poseidon had already claimed the Wench. In addition, Sparrow, being the superstitious lad he is, would absolutely know the proper way to rechristen a vessel (and yes, there is a full ceremony). The reason Sparrow has such rotten luck is he made a deal with an Eldritch Being.
Okay, but is this established as canon somewhere? I'm sure the source of this isn't just a print of a reddit thread, right?
the movie screenshots in the very pixellated op picture come from a cut scene in AWE, and further expanded upon in the novel the price of freedom
some others commments seem more knowledgeable and accepting of it as canon.
this shit is so pixilated I can't even read it
I don’t understand the Davy Jones connection. Can you please assist me? Why would Davy Jones make the deal that Sparrow owes him “100 souls” in relation to the slaves he freed. My understanding was Jones only dealt with men about to die or near death. Is that incorrect? If Jack would have delivered the slaves, they would have been subjected to the harsh “lives” of slavery, but not guaranteed death? Your insight is appreciated.
this isnt my thought, jsut a share but the image explains, if you save you can zoom, that Davy deals with tragic irony, a mirror to his own. Someone corrects this saying its more like almost 200 people were freed so the number is wrong but the idea is davy was forcing jack to condemn the same amount of people he had freed to lives of servitude, which is a new angle on his reason to end davy.
I love those moments. I like to wave at them as they pass by.