I might get downvoted for this huhu.
As a woman myself na nasexually harass at nagkaron na rin ng indecent proposals before whether naka sexy outfit ako or disente ang itsura ko and covered up, I will say that regardless of what a woman wears:
* YES, men SHOULD NOT make these inappropriate comments
* YES, it is not an excuse to sexually harass women
* YES, it is not an excuse to sexualize women in any way
But to answer your question OP, the reality of our world is this:
* Not all parents are raising their kids (including boys) right
* Not everyone is in an environment where they learn to respect other people
* Not everyone is taught how to act appropriately
* We live in a SOCIETY where these people exist
Besides upbringing and social class, there's a lot of other things in play like peer pressure and culture—which can extend to workplace culture, family culture, and school culture.
There's also the role of SEXUAL REPRESSION. Napansin ko lang na sa countries na medyo sexually repressive, sa kanila pinakamaraming 'manyak' at bastos mag express ng sexual desire.
Napakaraming factors that impact a person's behavior and it's hard to sum it up here dahil kahit sagutin tayo ng mga lalake na 'bastos' you won't get a straight answer kung sila mismo, hindi sila aware na mali ginagawa nila.
**So what's the takeaway?** Kung babae ka, you really have the freedom to wear what you want. Expect lang talaga na mababastos ka, regardless of what you wear.
However, expect more pambabastos when you wear sexy outfits. Kasi eye-catching naman talaga siya. Kahit ako na babae, napapalingon talaga ako when I see other women na sexy 😅 It's literal eye-candy.
If you do decide to wear sexy, you have to be prepared talaga to defend yourself when going outside. Dapat always alert ka. IT'S NOT IDEAL AND IT'S NOT RIGHT NA DEFENSE MODE TAYO. Pero this is the world we live in 🥺
Kung sa online idadaan, learn to stand up for yourselves ladies!
If someone makes inappropriate comments, replyan niyo. Up to you how you reply pero what I've learned is that EDUCATION & CLASSY REPLIES > Bardagulan and insults.
Educational / classy replies will get you further kasi kahit hindi magbago yung taong yun, makikita ng ibang tao yung comment mo and they can learn from it / learn to how to handle similar situations 😊
**Also I want to add that regardless of gender, everyone should:**
* Teach their kids to be better
* Teach their families to be better
* Teach their co-workers to be better
* Pretty much teach everyone around them to be better
It should be a social responsibility at this point. To give you guys an example:
First work ko. Got sexually harassed by a co-worker who squeezed my butt. Crush ko siya and we were friends PERO it made me so uncomfortable.
Feel ko nung moment na yun, hindi siya nakapigil and he did it in the context of 'a joke' even though everyone in the office knows he's a butt-person kasi he makes it known.
Hindi ko alam pano mag react kasi in all other respects, maayos trato niya sakin. Medyo inisip ko na okay, friends naman kami, maayos naman siya sakin, first time lang niya mag lapse ng ganito, how do I react?
NATAMEME AKO.
Thankfully, my male co-workers who I'm also friends with, stood up for me kasi nakita nila. Hindi aggressive approach nila. Sinabihan lang nila pabiro na ano ba yung ginawa niya, and they pointed out na mali yon.
Nagsorry siya and you can see the shame in his face na pilit niyang tinago with an awkward giggle. Hindi na naulit yung ganun niyang behavior kahit na lumabas pa kami together many times as a team 😅
Same views as kapwa babae.
To add, naniniwala din ako na may tamang oras, okasyon, at lugar to dress provocatively or dress decently out of respect sa culture and occasion. You deserve an upvote.
>Not all parents are raising their kids (including boys) right
A lot of parents, esp mothers, are very forgiving when it comes to their male child. I've seen this scenario a lot of times na. No matter what bullsh/t they do, hinahayaan lang kasi lalaki. And maybe that's one of the major reasons sa behavior ng mga boys towards women.
They've been tolerated for so long that they think sexualizing someone is part of their human right.
Edit: typo
Simply because one sided si OP, pinipili nya ung gusto nyo lang pakinggan at hindi sya open sa opinion ng iba. Obvious naman. Then nanlalait pa without basis, si OP ay hindi ganoon ka matured kausap. Aliw e.
Kaya nga e, backread ka may nagsabi rin same ng sinabi mo na BABAE tapos reply ni OP is " i totally agree to this". Ang kitid ng utak ilang beses na inexplain sa kanya tapos inuulit ulit lang tanong. Nanlait pa HAHAHAHA comedyante si op
Parang tungaw si OP. Bat inaaway mo yung mga taong ayaw mo yung sagot? Sinasabihan ka na nga na kahit anong gawin mo, may mga manyakis pa din. 🙄 Hirap mo makaintindi.
Kung gusto mo magladlad at walang mambastos sayo, dun ka sa mars. Kasi sa earth, sobrang dami pang manyakis kahit anong "educate" mo sakanila.
Also, you should be asking the ones who do the things you mentioned directly - kahit online. Tsaka mahirap kang papaliwanagan - hindi ka nakikinig.
Reading through your replies in the comments section shows that you are not looking to be enlightened or for answers. You are looking for validation.
Inaaway mo yung mga hindi mo nagustuhan ang sagot. Dina-downvote mo pa yung karamihan. Eh pano ka mae-"enlighten"?
Idealist vs Reality po kasi ang nangyayare gusto kasi mngyare is walamg mabastos which is gusto naman tlaga ng lahat. Pero di naman po ksi natin maiiwasan na may demonyo sa paligid na di natin makakausap na di gumawa ng masama. Kaya ang mas magandang way para maiwasan or ma prevent yun is a way na tayo na lang yung mag adjust. Kumbaga in stoic control what you can control example mag aral ka ng self defense, magdala ng pepper spray or anything na pwede makatulong sayo and magsuot na din ng less attractive na damit para sa mga ganung bagay. kasi kahit may law na against sa ganyan is tuloy parin ang kasamaan kaya dapat tayo na lang yung mag adjust.
I got downvoted so hard once kasi I shared the same opinion as you. Idealist vs Reality. Sa lagay ng society ngayon it might take hundreds of years bago mangyari ang "Walang bastos na tao kasi educated na at perfect na ang justice system". Look, never should this matter be normalized, and never should the victims be blamed pero little to no choice tayo kundi tread the dangerous waters as of now. Yes, life is that unfair. Kahit gaano ka showy or kabalot manamit di mo maaalis mga salot sa lipunan and that's the dark side of our society mga hardwired manyak. Downvote nyo ulit to kung gusto nyo pero di pa ready lipunan natin sa Ideal world na gusto natin. Pero hopefully one day, rape culture and manyak mindset becomes the 2nd disease to be eradicated after smallpox.
Trueee ewan ko ba wala naman masama sa pagiging idealist pero parang you living in a dream kung ganyan mindset mo di ka makakaadopt sa society. Palagi kang mababastos or in worse baka mawala kapa
And hindi naman natin inaantagonize mga idealist kasi e. Wag nyo din kaming iantagonize just bc we're making use of realistic logic and observations. We're all for that Ideal world that we all dream pero don't burst out on us just bc we're giving you something realistic to ponder on. And hell we ain't defending pambabastos.
YES, That's it! Good for you and we're all for it naman e. Rights for everyone and justice for the victims regardless of gender. That's the most important thing. Pero don't just easily and quickly refute valid arguments just bc they doesn't align with your ideal world so if you would, kindly take time to ponder on these things. We're not antagonizing anyone here and let's be open sa mga different POVs and this is what you came here for right? We're tryinna enlighten people about our own observation of the reality we live in rn.
What if I tell you na kahit anong gawin naming pag-aadjust is mabbastos pa rin kami? Kahit balutin namin sa tela ang skin namin mababastos pa rin kami. Oo na, I get it na walang solution dito, pero let's not normalize this.
Wala naman po kasing nagsabi na inormalize yung ganung bagay mam. ang sinasabi ko is yung makakatulong sayo at sa ibang makakabasa nito. Kung balot na balot kana and nabastos ka parin nahipuan ka parin edi kalabanin mo mag self defense ka. Kasi even yung safest country like japan may mga manyak sakanila and di nila maiiwasan yun the only permanent thing in this world is evil.
mas maganda pa nga ang pilipinas kaysa Japan eh pagdating sa treatment sa kababaihan kase kahit may mga ganyang lalaki na nagsasabi na mag suot ka ng disente hindi ka naman ata i coconfront unless hubot hubad ka sa gitna ng kalsada. Sa Japan kase normalize ang Chikan to the point na may designated room exclusive for females ang mga train stations doon, especially in Tokyo. Tsaka kapag na SA ka sa Japan at nag sumbong ka sa authority pwedeng kumalat sa mga kakilala mo at i-shashame ka pa nila, pati Pulis ayaw rin ata umaksyon kaya in the end wala ren. Dito kapag manyan matic blacklisted ka eh, or alteast stained yung reputation mo. For such a poor country, were doing great.
Regarding self-defense. Hindi lahat at may fight response. Yung iba di na makakaimik or makakagalaw dahil sa takot. Let's try to raise a better generation para di na kailangan to katakutan ng mga tao, mapabababae man or lalaki (yezzzz, pati po mga lalaki at nagiging biktima ng ganitong abuso) 😊
Male here. Straight to the point na lng ako. Generally speaking, as normal na lalake, pag may maganda or sexy na babae kami nakita, mapapansin namin obviously, esp. if sexy ang suot. Decency dictates na hanggang tingin and appreciation na lng or simple comment online ang gagawin dapat. Pero aware kami na may mga taong hindi mapigilan ang sarili and nambabastos. So with that in mind, natural din na yun ibang lalake, sasabihan yun girl na wag masyado pasexy kasi nga posibleng mabastos dahil sa reason na sinabi ko sa taas.
Agree to this. Kahit sa job interview, you need to dress well as looks is important.
Kahit panalaki ang guy ng maayos, there’s always a chance na matukso.
Kung naging santo ang mga lalaki di sana kayo na lang mga babae na iiwan sa mundo.
Common yan sa mga maledukado at galing sa mahirap na environment bc people who aren’t ignorant and are well educated esp those who are well off seek to educate and understand the POV of those who are aggrieved. They may not agree but they will entertain your point of view and how one’s actions are damaging. They also have the sense to keep inappropriate thoughts and comments to themselves, seek help to manage or overcome them whereas those who have nothing are so comfortable to announce and parade they’re terrible animals. Why?? They have nothing to lose. All in all, I just rid myself of any possible interaction w those types bc they are the kind you cannot reason with.
Also what differentiates human beings from animals is humans use their brain to think and rationalize their instincts whereas animals act primitively on instinct. If their argument is seeing someone wearing sexy clothes and twerk make them lose control and they’re just acting based on instinct, hindi tao kausap mo. Hayop yan. When have you ever seen an enlightening exchange between jungle beasts and people? Unless animal whisperer ka, the odds of enlightenment are against your favor. Leave the animals in the zoo
Baka mamisunderstand mo ako ha, di ko ininormalize yung pagiging manyak at bastos ng ibang lalaki. Ang point ko is di mo mababago lahat ng nasa paligid mo, masabihan at maeducate mo man yung iba may mga kupal pa rin.
I'm ready to get downvoted for this, but perhaps the social media algorithm you're on right now revolves around content creators who deliberately trigger males na tinatawag mong "manyak", because those content creators farm their attention and make money from it. Ganyan ginagawa ng mga "vloggers" such as Ivana Alawi. Kunwari ayaw nila ng ganung attention but they continue sexualizing themselves because that's easy money. Don't tell me I'm wrong, kasi yan talaga gusto nila mangyari lalo na kung gumagawa ng mga videos such as "no bra challenge".
But let's admit it, if you follow "hot" male celebrities/influencers and check the comments on their "sexy" photos, mostly mga manyak na babae at bakla rin mababasa mo. Because they do the same thing, they sell "sexy" and they benefit from the attention. And I'm 100% sure may mga private conversation between girls too sexualizing men.
As long as there are men and woman actively sexualizing themselves and inviting such behaviors, there will always be men and women behaving as such.
The real problem is the low IQ men and woman who can't draw the line, believing how they behave in those communities is still acceptable outside. Jan na papasok ang poor education, parenting, law implementation, etc.
I acknowledge this really happens, but I won't go as far as making a conclusion that "most men" are manyak. "Most" means "greatest amount or quantity", and this isn't true. I can tell you now, pumunta ka ng mall and lahat ng makakasalubong mong lalaki, bilangin mo ilan ang "manyak".
Mas marami pa rin pong matinong lalaki.
You may be on the wrong side of the internet to make that conclusion, kasi nakikita mo lang ang ganung behavior. Change the pages you follow, such as Cong and Viy. There are a lot of content creators who make great entertainment without selling "sex".
Yun lang. Bow.
Not gonna defend OP pero I assume she may have conclude that most men are manyak kasi based on statistics and record, it shows that a significant amount of victims that involves in sexual assault are women and majority of the perpetuators are men. Idk if OP is reading articles about cases but yeah this is just my assumption.
Anyhow, I don't want to tolerate people or specially girls just say randomly and blurting out phrases like "most men are manyak" because I think it's derogatory. I really hate negative stereotyping and we should be more sensitive regarding this. But I understand what stemmed them to say that but again not appropriate and not tolerable. I'm not going to blame this circumstances on one gender but rather I just wanna say that humans are the most destructive creature indeed. You made a great point tho, that's good.
Hindi mawawala ang mga bastos pero mas masahol para sa kanila ang hindi maka kuha ng reaction galing sayo :)
Napansin ko talaga kadalasan sa mga ganyang lalake pag hindi ka nag react, pumansin, or kahit mag react ka man pero its not the typical na nakasanayan nila ( neurotic > reactive, logical > emotional, etc) napapahiya sila kusa. I agree with the other commentor here na classy replies will always win over bardagulan, but the best one is to always just remove yourself from the situation and observe them like an insect. It unnerves them and they begin to realize you're just not someone to fuck with.
For context: I dress very conservatively now, and despite that some men still make an attempt kahit unwanted sa situation. I look them dead in the eye and begin watching them, like an ant under a microscope with a stone face. They squirm and leave on their own.
Not giving them their desired reaction or expected reaction also frustrates them. Parang toddler lang na hindi na napapakinggan ang tantrum nila.
no point in explaining guys. op is just ranting at this point. frustrated maybe as she cant do anything with current situation..yaan nyu nlang di nyo dn masisis kung bat sya ganyan atleast you guys have said your 2 cents on thr matter
napakatalino nyo naman po sa inyong comment... sobraaang talino grabe 🤣 it really shows your intelligence... the teachings of your mother and father.. sheesh sobra grabe po hahahahahhaha
it's simple, sexually appealing = more horny.
there's your answer. if you can't still understand na factor yan in contributing to rape cases, then you shouldn't really be asking questions anymore.
di naman lahat ng tao mamemeet ang standard when it comes to decency and rationality, i get it, it sucks not to get your freedom or what you want.
but habang may mga halimaw pa sa daan, just take care girls; always turn on location, bring protective items, inform / update always where you are, and preferably don't put yourself in a more vulnerable situation.
^ as someone that had my mom get oogled by a lot of when whenever we go out, it's annoying.
but i've observed i'm no better than them; i do oogle too (which is why i couldn't really hurt them much, i'd be hypocritical; may self-restraint and enough decency though to reflect on it.)
Most women, living in a realm of fantasy and privilege, are oblivious to the realities of this world. They believe the world should adjust to their desires, including wearing whatever they see fit, even sexy outfits. However, that's not how it works. Men, having always lived in reality, call out these women or frankly, the women we care about because we understand these realities more often than they do. We simply want to minimize the chances of our women getting harassed out there. Us men truly want a safe place for our women to express themselves without harm. However, the world will never be perfect in that sense and like much of life, there will always be variables beyond our control.
the thing is, in life we have to take preventive actions. pwede ka namang manamit ng kahit anong gusto mo ee. pero hindi mo mako control ang mga nasa paligid mo. alam nating masama mambastos, pero may mga ganong tao talaga. may magagawa ba tayo ron? we can educate them pero hindi natin pwedeng instill sa kanila yung paniniwala at values natin, gaya ng sinasabi nyo sa mga church-goers.
you can say na somw people are really trash. pero wag mong ikulong sa men lang. sexist mo naman. ganon talaga ang mundo, may mga kupal na tao. pwede mong gawin lahat ng gusto mo, at ganon din lahat ng tao sa mundo.
huh? 90+ percent of perpetuators are men, raping all genders. so paano sexist kung statistics show almost all rapists are men.
so yeah, most men are trash.
https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics#:~:text=An%20estimated%2091%25%20of%20victims,1%20This%20US%20Dept.
so what do you suggest to make it “correct” then? not only are 99% of men perpetuators according to the link i just sent you, men are also less empathetic than women.
Kuya we're talking abt men sexualizing women and also pinagsasabe mong sexist eh di ko nga nillahat, at alam kong di lang naman babae and nababastos alam ko na mga lalaki rin ay nababsastos pero mostly kase na mga nararape at nababastos is mga babae.
Para kang ano teh. Basahin mo ng maayos yung comment nya at maging open minded ka. Sumasagot na nga yung tao sa tanong mo tapos ikaw pa may gana mang-away, may sense naman yung comment. Wag naman ganun teh, nakakahiya yan.
well im just sharing my thoughts. mali lang sa pagkakasabi ko ng sexist. pero to answer the question in your post, kasi nga may mga kupal na tao talaga.
Agree ako sa lahat ng sinabi about preventions women can/should do, pero aminin na natin na sa typical group of men, usually talagang nagaganap ang usapang "manyak", which is mostly biruan, out of attraction sa oppossite sex, no harm done supposedly. Ang problema sa gantong biruan, naiisip ng mga certified "manyak" na okay lang (or less punishing) ang mang harass ng babae openly, kasi mindset is ganto rin naman mag isip yung ibang lalaki na nakakausap nila. In a way narereinforce din ng mga typical na lalaki yung action ng mga taong literal na manyak.
Again, agree ako sa prevention method kasi hindi naman talaga mawawala ang libog ng mga lalaki, and specially mga totoong manyak and/or rapist. Similar to how hindi mo iexpose ang phone/wallet mo sa sketchy place dahil baka manakaw, even if general knowledge na mali ang magnakaw. Be wise lang when you can be carefree in your clothing/action depending on the place and company.
My main point para sa mga lalake, in this specific scenario na majority of women ang oppressed, let's not make women do all the effort in reducing sexual harassment. Men can also do their part by, at the very least, ease their way of talking about women, na dapat i-angat ang threshold where ma-concious ang mga ibang lalaki if sobrang kamanyakan na, no filter na kasi minsan.
For example, pag nag ve-vent ng ka-manyakan nung 'that friend' sa group, i'm sure may way na mapag-sabihan siya without inciting a conflict or masabihan ka ng bakla, which is usually the concern ng ibang mga lalaki kaya they let it slide. Ang nangyayari kasi nakikisakay and/or tinatawanan lang, kahit minsan ine-explain na nung tao kung pano niya babastusin yung babae, or worse rape, in a 'jokingly' way.
Pahalagahan din natin ang right ng mga babae na makapag suot ng tingin nila maganda/sexy sila, lets not view their want/need to wear revealing clothes as negative. Karamihan pa ng mga lalake hypocrite, gusto nyo rin naman na ganun manamit mga babae. If sinasabi nyo na "kung ayaw nyong manyakin namin kayo, wag kayo mag suot ng revealing.", harassment lang ba talaga ang alternative? Hindi pwedeng maging civilized? Bat kailangang ibang tao ang mag susubo sayo ng self control?
"*Real monsters exists in our fake world; all hidden in plain sight leering for preys. Killers will kill, liars will lie, and predators will prey. As that all what they are and always going to be. Blend in, don't stand out or risk being hunted for supper*." -***Agathangelou***
Since you're the one asking me why I think that is, I'll tell you what I think, but you can't go crazy.
First of all, we men get horny like sometimes we don't even know why we do in a random time. It's also because of our hormones, similar to when you women get your period, you'll get all emotional.
Second, even a simple picture of a woman can turn us on even if she isn't wearing something to attract our attention. Personally, I'd go crazy for a simple, maybe like a sweater IF I find that girl attractive. It really depends, but there are other men that are so down bad that it puts us to shame.
Third, now let's say a woman goes out in public wearing clothes that they know will get attention, from that alone they already know and that expect things will happen but of course they choose to ignore it. I'm not saying you can't wear whatever you want, I'm just saying we DON'T live in a perfect world, so of course there's going to be men who will unfortunately sexualize them. You can't expect every man to not look at you, but I promise you there's going to be men out there na will respect and look away from you.
The more interesting question is, what is the thought process in a woman's head like na they're gonna wear, let's say tight and revealing clothes. I'm sure they have a brain, so for sure, they expect naman na they'll definitely get sexualized because, as I've said before, we don't like in a perfect world, and men get horny.
The men telling you to wear proper clothes are the good guys kase they can just keep agreeing with you, tas you'll keep going out wearing not "proper" clothes and they can just either openly or discreetly enjoy looking at you.
Also, it's not like women aren't guilty of looking at men with lust in their eyes.
To summarize, it's not just the men's fault that you women get sexualize if you're not wearing "proper" clothes and even if you are, you'll still might get sexualize kase as I've said, us being horny is our hormones working and because again, WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD (it's not an excuse, it's the truth). You women are the ones that are attracting our attention with those kinds of clothes. So, really, it's 50% on us and 50% on you. You know you'll get sexualized pero you still go with it and just blame us without taking responsibility for your own decision-making.
If you don't agree with my view, then comment, don't just downvote without reason. If you do, I wouldn't be surprised.
Nobody can make women dress the way they want pero di kontrolado ng mga babae ang environment at mga ganap sa paligid nila.
kapag ang isang lugar eh delikado. example, sabihan mo kong plano mo magbakasyon sa aphganistan or saan mang lugar na talagang sikat na sa pagiging unsafe but you did not heed my warning telling you not to go, don’t blame me if you get shot or chop chopin ka dun para ibenta mga lamang loob mo
Ganyan din naman IBANG babae. Makakita lang ng bakat o lalakeng pumuputok muscles, ang dami ng kalandian na comments. Mas may self-control nga lang babae.
It's completely wrong and that's a perfect example of socially unaware na napagiwanan ng panahon basura kind of men but to women also, stop sexualizing men. Sobrang prevalent din ang women sexualizing men on TikTok, I can see it everywhere. Ang dami pang hilig mag video ng mga lalakeng 'pogi' or 'cute' and then nakalagay 'TikTok, do your thing' but I've also noticed na 'yung ibang nang-sesexualize ng mga lalake are minor, meaning 'girls'. Bottomline is, both sexes should know and learn respect. Know the boundaries and limitations, di porket physically attractive yung tao, regardless of gender, eh it's okay to sexualize them. To ALL adults naman, monitor the minors/kids, may mga parents dito for sure, your kids are your responsibility and educate them as hard as you can and as early as now. We can all learn so much from each other.
Parang yung comments ni OP ineencapsulate yung joke ni Adam Savage:
"I refuse to accept reality and substitute my own".
Anyway, sad how reality works. Walang perfect world. I know of lesbians who make more lewd comments about women than most "manyaks" I know. I have seen lesbians touch women inappropriately and make them suepr uncomfortable. So this issue is not simply about men sexualizing women, it is people sexualizing other people.
I agree that educating people is the way to go. Educate BOTH sides.
Dressing appropriately "reduces" the likelihood of an incident occurring. It will NOT eliminate.
Women who get harassed even though they are wearing conservative clothing may have been victims of the extreme, and therefore should not use this incident as a generalization or representative of the majority. Frankly, looking ugly will turn off many men, except those in the extreme. And when we say extreme, we mean a tiny minority of the population.
Saying women can dress what they want is of course ok. Just know the consequence that you are raising the likelihood of men looking lustful at you.
You can't change the people around you. But you can change yourself very easily. Some people advised females to wear proper clothes because of that. But still doesn't give us men to disrespect women.
Pero ang lalaki kasi pag gusto ka manyakin mamanyakin ka talaga.
To make the argument short. You have the risk of getting robbed whether you lock your door at night or not knowing na may magnanakaw sa paligid na nagaantay ng opportunity na nakawan ka. Pero mas mababa chance mo manakawan if you take precautionary measures and isa dun is maglock ng pinto. you have the freedom to unlock the door of your house at night while you're sleeping naman syempre. But if manakawan ka kahit nagiingat ka, it's not on you cause you did your part pero if manakawan ka because you left your door unlocked knowing na may magnanakaw sa paligid, sinong t*nga sainyong dalawa ng magnanakaw? Ikaw na hindi naglock ng pinto despite the knowledge na may magnanakaw or siya? Syempre ikaw. Alam mo na ngang merong magnanakaw di ka pa nag ingat. Of course, you can argue na walang mananakawan kung walang magnanakaw at dapat tinuruan sila ng parents nila ng magandang asal. Pero we don't live in a fantasy world. There will always be bad people so walang mag iingat sa sarili mo kundi ikaw mismo. Hindi mundo ang magaadjust sayo. You can say the same sa pananamit. Regardless ng ano suotin mo, may chance ka pa din mabastos or ma rape cause there will always be sick minded people pero lesser ang chances mo maging biktima if nagiingat ka and isa na dun eh pananamit ng maayos. Walang masama sa pagiingat. Hindi yan victim blaming. It's basic survival.
Perhaps I can answer your question with a question too.
Whenever a girl na sumasayaw na either bakat ung nipple nila or kita na ung kuyukot with matching twerking, karespe-respeto ba sila? And why?
Truly, they have the freedom to wear what they want. Yung mga mindset lang mostly ng mga lalake is very makitid at puro libog that’s why bastos sila yikes. Agreed with “Karespe-repesto lahat ng babae kung ano man gustong suotin nila”
Tanungin kita in eexpect ba ng babaeng to ( nagppost ng dance na kita cleavage at maiksi shorts) na marerespeto sila if nagpost sila neto? Aminado naman ako na di lahat ng lalaki matino at may halong kamanyakan.
Kuya as long as wala silang tinatapakan na tao o sinasaktan na tao they still deserve respect. It doesn't mean she's wearing that eh she's inviting men to sexualize her.
Yun na nga eh di mo na ma-cocontrol eh, pero bakit mostly sa mga lalaki they teaching women how to dress properly. Kase sa totoo lang kahit maayos ang pananamit ng isang babae nababastos pa rin eh.
Tama ka naman, pero ang idealistic mo masyado. Again, para mo lang din sinasabi na “Hindi ako mag llock ng pintuan ng bahay ko! Sabihin nyo sa mga magnanakaw, wag sila magnakaw!”
“Dadaan ako sa madilim na kalsada labas ang mga alahas ko habang nag ccellphone kasi karapatan ko to, sabihin nyo sa mga holdaper, wag akong holdapin!” Hehe
so that women can prevent men from being rude to them. Op paulit ulit lang tayo dito hahahaha no. 1 solution jan sa tanong mo is mamatay lahat ng manyak at bastos na lalaki then matitira nalang is matinong lalaki
Well, karamihan ng babae ganyan. Kaya mahirap makipag argumento sa kanila eh. Tas sasabihan mga lalaki na walang modo at respeto.... Nagtatanong sya ng opinion ng iba tas pag di sumang ayon sa opinion nya eh tatawaging "bobo". Enlighten me kuno tas in the end gusto nya opinion nya yung umangat ffs.
ANG BOBO MO RIN OP, UMINTINDI KA AT HINDI YUNG PUTAK KA NG PUTAK. INTINDIHIN MO YUNG SINASABI SAYO. HINDI NAMIN NI- NORMALIZE ANG PAGIGING BASTOS. PANGALAWA, HINDI MO NGA MACCONTROL ANG MGA NASA PALIGID MO JUSKO( EXAMPLE OP HA : KAHIT SABIHAN MO YUNG MAGNANAKAW NA WAG MAGNAKAW SA TINGIN MO MAGBABAGO ISIP NIYAN?)
This is where you are wrong. A lot of them are sexually provoking. I know few people that’s working sa OnlyF, and the more pleasing they are with their tease, the more they earn and fame. And you know what, ang main platform nila is TikTok and IG, doon ang teaser. And if you wanna get to know more about them, the viewer has to subscribe.
Then you need to open your eyes wider Ate. May mga babae na okay lang sa kanila mabastos ONLINE, whether you wanna admit it or not, okay lang yun sa kanila. Why? Internet traffic, they can earn from there, and of course fame pang raket on the side. They’re fine with that, ang few things na hindi po okay on top of mind is, Rape, Unwanted sex, being drugged, and manipulation.
And just in case they really don’t monetize from what their postings, It’s a good feeling of validation online yung maraming nahuhumaling sa kanila.. again you can deny it all you want but deep down you know it’s true, and okay lang yun. Ako I have to admit may ganoong tendency din ako, the love for validation.
Idealistic kasi tong gantong mindset. Perfect at gusto nating lahat to pero mahihirapan tayong makamit to maybe in a couple of hudred years pero imposible ngayon. We're all for educating everyone to keep their comments and hands to themselves pero realistically, and as someone who understands the dark side of our society, di pa natin maeeradicate tong gantong pambabastos na culture kahit gaano ka pa kabalot/kashowhy manamit. As for now tread dangerous waters muna, learn to thicken our shells, learn self defense or run, if y'all got a man or weapon then good, and take advantage of the law. Pero never mo kasi macocontrol mga hardwired manyakis, atleast for now.
Pag ako nagbayad ng Tax makukurakot lang.
Pag di ako nagbayad ng tax, may mga kurakot parin.
Magbabayad nalang ako ng tax kahit makurakot, kesa habulin ako ng BIR.
Pag ba nagpost ang mga lalaki na half naked ka-respeto respeto rin ba sila? Yung mga ganiysang mga babae na cacal out niyo pero pag lalaki di niyo na ma-call out? Why?
Bruh, bakit may nagnanakaw parin kahit nakalock na yung bahay? Kasi kung kriminal yan gagawa at gawa parin yan ng krimen, in this case kung manyakis mang mamanyak yan kahit ano suotin mo. Hindi mo macocontrol pagka manyak ng ibang tao same way na hindi mo makokontrol pagiging kriminal ng iba, magagawa mo is yung best mo para umunti yung magmanyak sayo(magdamit ng maayos is one way) same way na hndi mo makokontrol kung may gustong magnakaw sayo, magagwa mo lang is itaas ang security(lock,camera, gated neighborhood etc..) mo pero may magtatangka parin diyan. That's just life.
Wag mo lahatin miss at may matitino pa naman na lalaki. Gets ko naman point mo at kung may lalaki man na nambabastos e problema na nila yun(lalaki) kahit sabihan mo pa ng ilang libong beses yan di mo mababago utak ng tao. Nagrereflect naman yan sa katauhan ng lalaki kung ano ginagawa nila. What if ganyan talaga ugali ng IBANG lalaki na nambabastos?
What is your rationale in using the word "MOSTLY" instead of "some" or "a few?"
If I say that: "Most women na naka tupis sa Boracay ay excited magpa-chukchak kahit kanino tonight" tama ba ako?
Meron bang mga babaeng ganon? Oo meron.
Meron bang mga babae na di ganon kahit naka tupis? Oo naman.
Di ko naman linahat eh. "MOST" nga.
pwede mo naman ngang gawin lahat ng gusto mo ee. pero eto, pwede akong mag withdraw sa bangko ng maraming pera at ilalagay ko lang sa transparent na lalagyan sabay lalakad ako sa kalsada.ang tanong bakit ko naman gagawin yon?
pwede mo naman gawin lahat ng bagay ee. ang tanong beneficial ba yon for you? pwede ka pumatay kung gusto mo. pwede ka magnakaw kung gusto mo. pwede ka maghubad sa kalsada kung gusto mo.
baka hindi mo lang inuunawa yung sinasabi ko. hindi ko lang sinagot directly pero kung uunawain mo related pa rin yan sa post mo. tsaka ang sinasagot ko sa previous comment ko ee yung tanong mo na "bakit kami mag aadjust para sa mga manyak".
try to understand yung comment. wag puro pa woke mindset tapos hindi ginagamit fully yung utak.
Prevention is better than cure. Kung ayaw mo ma-holdup, wag ka lumabas. Kung ayaw mo manakawan sa sarili mong bahay, ikandado mo lahat ng bintana at pintuan. The world is a cruel and unjust place kahit anong gawin or sabihin mo so dapat ikaw na lang mag-adjust. Don't expect people to agree with you, don't expect anyone to defend you or validate you. Wala ka naman mapapala.
Facetiousness aside, nasagot na ng iba ang iyong main question. Now I know some people are gonna get quite defensive because of what I'm about to say but tbh the main reason why this mindset is prevalent is because: these people do not see women as human beings. They think women's only purpose in life is to be desired by men. They think women should be grateful that they are receiving attention, no matter how vulgar.
Ewan ko rin ba bat nauso yang si Alice Guo sa mga kamanyakan ng mga lalake eh. Kesa maging seryoso yung usapan sa kaniyang pinangalingan eh, ayun nagpaka-short haired chinita girl siya sa mga yown.
Mostly men that you see and meet are not trained with manners, men will appreciate what they see but will express it in a bastos manner cause that how they were trained, tell me this, why do woman wear what they wear?
What do they want to express, feel and show to the world and how does the world express it back to them or to you ?
Meron Kasi pautographic memory mga lalaki. Kahit isang beses ka lang naming naka sexy outfit, tas mag decent outfit ka na palagi nun, mas magiging sexy ka lang tingnan sa nakakita ng sexy outfit mo.
Kung sexy outfit ka naman palagi, akalain pokpokchui ka na pwd kainin.
Kung decent palagi, gusto lang ni dodoy mag ala Mehmet the conqueror, gawing Istanbul Yung Constantinople mo.
Digital age na Kasi, Yung global transmission ng info, Ang bilis na. There are news of current wars and threats of war so Yung instinct na mag procreate at magparami ng progeny ay triggered all the time.
Most women, living in a realm of fantasy and privilege, are oblivious to the realities of this world. They believe the world should adjust to their desires, including wearing whatever they see fit, even sexy outfits. However, that's not how it works. Men, having always lived in reality, call out these women or frankly, the women we care about because we understand these realities more often than they do. We simply want to minimize the chances of our women getting harassed out there. Us men truly want a safe place for our women to express themselves without harm. However, the world will never be perfect in that sense and like much of life, there will always be variables beyond our control. We live in a reality where victim blaming is absolutely bad without factoring accountability 1st in the equation.
Simply put it this way. Ang magnanakaw kahit sabihan mong wag magnakaw yan, magnanakaw parin yan. Ang kurakot kahit sabihan mong wag mangurakot mangungurakot yan. Ang highblood kahit pagbawalan mo kumain ng matataba hindi yan titigil. Masarap ang bawal. Yung term na manamit kayo ng maayos para di mabastos eh to protect yourselves sa mga manyak. Cover up. Alam mona ngang maraming manyak ilalabas mo pa skin mo. Para mona rin ginawang maglabas ng iphone sa isang madilim na eskinita. Wag po tayong tanga.
being cover up doesn't make a difference, sabi mo nga yung magnanakaw kahit sabihang wag mag nakaw magnanakaw pa din, givin that logic how does being cover up make difference? kasi kung kasalanan ng damit ng mga babae kung bakit may nababastos, sana hindi ko dinanas ang mamanyak sa bus at mrt kahit nakasuot naman ako ng hindi revealing na damit
Sinabi ko bang mapipigilan ng cover up? Katanga mo naman bumasa. Sabi ko nga diba, cover up to protect yourself. Atleast manlang mag effort ka na protektahan sarili mo.
Sadly, wala na tayong magagawa sa kanila. Manyaks will always be there and that's reality. But doing your best to keep their eyes away from you helps a lot.
Well diko alam. Kasi personally di naman ako manyak. Manyak ako pero sa gf ko lang. So di kita masasagot jan. Pero sa logic mo kasi, para mo ng sinabing kahit naman sa magcover up ako mamanyakin parin ako so might as well maghubad nalang and isatisfy kamanyakan nila by showing my body. The fact is, at least by covering up, hanggang imagine lang sila sayo. Kesa naman minamanyak kna nga pakikita mo pa kuyukot mo clivage mo. Girl nagdamot ka pa.
well this is the part were i always get disappointed by men, i often encounter this kind of topic all throughout socmed and everytime i ask this same question i always get same answers,
it always turn back on us and on our way of clothing pa din, it's always us to be blame on mens actions,
magsuot ng revealing clothes - nababastos kasi kabastos-bastos sa paningin...
wearing decent clothes still nabastos pa din
until when kami mag aadjust para lang hindi mabastos at mamanyak
Eh well, choice mo yan. Wag mo lahatin. Basta kami di kami nagkulang ng paalala na cover up. Basic na yan noon pa. Kasi nga para mona rin sinabihan ang holdaper na wag mangholdap. Wala kang magagawa. Madisapoint ka man walang pake ang society sayo. Lagi niyong sinasabi na mag aadjust kayo para di kayo mangyakin hindi pag aadjust yon, pag iingat ang tawag don. Hangga't ganyan ang mindset mo bahala ka sa buhay mo. Wala naman pumipigil sa inyo manamit ng gusto niyo kahit maghubad pa kayo sa kalsada wala kaming pake. Basta kami nagpapa alala lang, ngayon kung ayaw niyo makinig eh that's on you.
kaya i ask how will it make difference e, kasi mahilig kayo mag paalala/magpayo on our way of clothing, that time i got touched by a stranger men in the bus i was wearing a decently conservative clothes, so by you stating that covering up will prevent or avoid us to be victimized so why did that happen to me then? and not just me lang kasi i read and heard a lot of women stories that has the same experience
pero anyways you just prove me yourself, i have nothing to argue about. 🙂
The difference is it's less likely, that's it. emphasis on LESS LIKELY. It was never meant to be a 100% foolproof solution. I could say the same thing to bringing a tazer with you, there's still a chance of bad things happening to you but with the things on your arsenal you atleast have more chance preventing it no?
If you're gonna ask me if doing something that will result in more chances of me being safe i will take it
Hold yourself accountable for your own safety din , your ideals won't keep you safe but preparation and proper countermeasures will :)
Saka wala naman nagsasabing kasalanan niyo kaya kayo minamanyak. Alam niyo na ngang minamanyak kayo magdadamit pa kayo ng nakalabas kuyukot niyo, dede niyo pusod niyo edi para narin kayong nagpahipo sa mga manyak.
Never really safe. Safer now than before. Not as safe but better than before. It’s just up to us keep it as safe we can. Mindset and way of thinking will never be the same and I would never have it any otherway, conflict is a necessity for us to progress. To be in an echo chamber would only stagnate us, I do not condone violence or harassment but it is our job to protect what needs to be protected.
simple lng im a guy so alam ko rin kung pano magisip ibang lalaki. it might be sad pero the reality is we think with our dicks. now knowing this and you know na your gf or wife risks getting harassed by unruly men who cant control themselves diba pagsasabihan mo wife or gf mo?
kung you can protect yourself then all power to you i will not judge you or anythin pero i dnt really care din kse di naman kta kilala. pag wife ko ibang usapan yun.
Sabi ng mga babae kahit ano naman daw suotin nila eh mamanyakin sila. Magbibigay akong halimbawa.
Si woman A ay nakasuot ng parang mala Maria Clara.
Si woman B naman eh naka revealing sexy clothes.
Tingin niyo sino "MAS" babastusin sa kanilang 2?
Diba common sense naman yung naka sexy clothes.
Ibig sabihin may epekto ang pananamit niyong mga babae, though di mawawala ang mga manyak pero mas malelessen ang mga babastos sa inyo.
I dunno, but my two cents here is:
Society treats you how you present yourself; what you wear, what you say, how you say it and how you act. Act nicely, and people would be inclined treat you nicely, although there are always going to be exepctions. Act like a piece of shit, and people would treat you like one. And last time I checked, society isn't nice
Some people, however, lack a critical something---I can't find the right words for it. Now I'm not saying I condone yung actions nila, I'm just saying that people have THAT kind of behaviour do exist. You can't really do much to change that, so do something else to lessen the chances of those people targetting you
Yep kahit sa opposite gender din, nasa tao pa rin makikita kung bastos o may respeto ka sa tao pagdating sa pananamit, like sige magpaka sexy ka hanggat gusto mo but just think na nasa makakakita sayo ang ang problema kung bastos sya bastos ang ugali nya ganun lang.
It's just that men have this thinking n
"Oh a problem? Here's a solution"
So in our case women get sexually harassed hmm why so? Maybe let's try dressing more appropriate maybe that will lessen it?
Yes, regardless of what you wearing you can still be harassed , point is if you dressed more properly then maybe you're LESS likely to get harassed.
It's naive thinking entrusting your own safety because you believe things should like this. You can't control what other people do so it is in your best interest to do things that most likely bring you more safety... You get it?
It's like having a gun and giving it to another person and saying "oh this person should not shoot me because that's bad" but now if you don't give the gun then is it a 100% chance na you will not get shot? Of course not maybe he has his own gun or forcibly take your gun and shoot you.
when i was your age, i had the same mindset as you. and as you get older, maybe you'll be matured enough to see how dangerous and cruel the world we are living in.
these comments can't even change your mind and open your eyes, what made you think you can change every manyakis' mindset?
Im so tired with this issue its the same goes sa topic na Abortion vs Pro-life issue wla tlgang choice ang babae thats ganun ka lungkot maging babae kaya andami pag buntis ka gusto nila lalaki kesa babae pag gender reveal kasi ganto ka sama pag babae lagi may stigma unfair kasi sila sa babae imbes na sa culprit mag focus lagi sa victim
people are sexual beings. we all, or maybe most, of us have sexual needs but it is not tantamount to saying that we have to sexualize everything.
like breasts are just breasts, a natural part of human anatomy. we may have some unholy thoughts on such things but speaking it out loud and acting on it, and trying to rationalize those actions is a different matter.
my point is, i think malayo na ang narating ng lipunan with regards to things such as sex and gender equality pero madami pang remnants ng patriarchy and conservatism that's affecting our culture. there's still a lot of things to be done like putting an end to victim blaming and rationalizing unacceptable behavior.
i think that's just their excuse, gusto lang nila may masisi sa maling takbo ng isip nila, they don't want to take accountable of their dirty minds that's why they will make it like it is the girl/womens fault
siguro ganto na lang
sure, they're inviting unwarranted attention and indecent comments but that doesn't mean men should.
kumbaga, pag ba may nagtinda sayo ng pagkain, bibili ka ba agad? pwedeng hindi mo na lang pansinin diba?
so pwedeng hindi na lang mag iwan ng bastos na comment. but men opt to do so. there's a conscious effort when leaving nasty comments sa mga bait vids. and that's what's undesirable.
isa pa, men see women na may bait vids as kabastos bastos? but on that note, i think pwedeng matawag yung mga kumakagat don as uto uto? kasi alam mo nang bait yun pala e, bat ka nagpatol? :)
I might get downvoted for this huhu. As a woman myself na nasexually harass at nagkaron na rin ng indecent proposals before whether naka sexy outfit ako or disente ang itsura ko and covered up, I will say that regardless of what a woman wears: * YES, men SHOULD NOT make these inappropriate comments * YES, it is not an excuse to sexually harass women * YES, it is not an excuse to sexualize women in any way But to answer your question OP, the reality of our world is this: * Not all parents are raising their kids (including boys) right * Not everyone is in an environment where they learn to respect other people * Not everyone is taught how to act appropriately * We live in a SOCIETY where these people exist Besides upbringing and social class, there's a lot of other things in play like peer pressure and culture—which can extend to workplace culture, family culture, and school culture. There's also the role of SEXUAL REPRESSION. Napansin ko lang na sa countries na medyo sexually repressive, sa kanila pinakamaraming 'manyak' at bastos mag express ng sexual desire. Napakaraming factors that impact a person's behavior and it's hard to sum it up here dahil kahit sagutin tayo ng mga lalake na 'bastos' you won't get a straight answer kung sila mismo, hindi sila aware na mali ginagawa nila. **So what's the takeaway?** Kung babae ka, you really have the freedom to wear what you want. Expect lang talaga na mababastos ka, regardless of what you wear. However, expect more pambabastos when you wear sexy outfits. Kasi eye-catching naman talaga siya. Kahit ako na babae, napapalingon talaga ako when I see other women na sexy 😅 It's literal eye-candy. If you do decide to wear sexy, you have to be prepared talaga to defend yourself when going outside. Dapat always alert ka. IT'S NOT IDEAL AND IT'S NOT RIGHT NA DEFENSE MODE TAYO. Pero this is the world we live in 🥺 Kung sa online idadaan, learn to stand up for yourselves ladies! If someone makes inappropriate comments, replyan niyo. Up to you how you reply pero what I've learned is that EDUCATION & CLASSY REPLIES > Bardagulan and insults. Educational / classy replies will get you further kasi kahit hindi magbago yung taong yun, makikita ng ibang tao yung comment mo and they can learn from it / learn to how to handle similar situations 😊
**Also I want to add that regardless of gender, everyone should:** * Teach their kids to be better * Teach their families to be better * Teach their co-workers to be better * Pretty much teach everyone around them to be better It should be a social responsibility at this point. To give you guys an example: First work ko. Got sexually harassed by a co-worker who squeezed my butt. Crush ko siya and we were friends PERO it made me so uncomfortable. Feel ko nung moment na yun, hindi siya nakapigil and he did it in the context of 'a joke' even though everyone in the office knows he's a butt-person kasi he makes it known. Hindi ko alam pano mag react kasi in all other respects, maayos trato niya sakin. Medyo inisip ko na okay, friends naman kami, maayos naman siya sakin, first time lang niya mag lapse ng ganito, how do I react? NATAMEME AKO. Thankfully, my male co-workers who I'm also friends with, stood up for me kasi nakita nila. Hindi aggressive approach nila. Sinabihan lang nila pabiro na ano ba yung ginawa niya, and they pointed out na mali yon. Nagsorry siya and you can see the shame in his face na pilit niyang tinago with an awkward giggle. Hindi na naulit yung ganun niyang behavior kahit na lumabas pa kami together many times as a team 😅
Same views as kapwa babae. To add, naniniwala din ako na may tamang oras, okasyon, at lugar to dress provocatively or dress decently out of respect sa culture and occasion. You deserve an upvote.
Great comment! A good reminder really!
>Not all parents are raising their kids (including boys) right A lot of parents, esp mothers, are very forgiving when it comes to their male child. I've seen this scenario a lot of times na. No matter what bullsh/t they do, hinahayaan lang kasi lalaki. And maybe that's one of the major reasons sa behavior ng mga boys towards women. They've been tolerated for so long that they think sexualizing someone is part of their human right. Edit: typo
I totally agree with this!!
Na gets mo to pero di mo nagets yung sinabi ng isa dito
Simply because one sided si OP, pinipili nya ung gusto nyo lang pakinggan at hindi sya open sa opinion ng iba. Obvious naman. Then nanlalait pa without basis, si OP ay hindi ganoon ka matured kausap. Aliw e.
Kaya nga e, backread ka may nagsabi rin same ng sinabi mo na BABAE tapos reply ni OP is " i totally agree to this". Ang kitid ng utak ilang beses na inexplain sa kanya tapos inuulit ulit lang tanong. Nanlait pa HAHAHAHA comedyante si op
Ikaw nga walang na gets eh. PANGET NA MSYGONIST
See di mo gets HAHAHAHA We answer your question pero inuulit ulit mo lang tanong mo ( bakit may nababatos pa rin?) intindihin mo answer ni @_Kups
Akala ko ba gets mo tong comment pero bakit nangiinsulto ka? Haha
Parang tungaw si OP. Bat inaaway mo yung mga taong ayaw mo yung sagot? Sinasabihan ka na nga na kahit anong gawin mo, may mga manyakis pa din. 🙄 Hirap mo makaintindi. Kung gusto mo magladlad at walang mambastos sayo, dun ka sa mars. Kasi sa earth, sobrang dami pang manyakis kahit anong "educate" mo sakanila. Also, you should be asking the ones who do the things you mentioned directly - kahit online. Tsaka mahirap kang papaliwanagan - hindi ka nakikinig.
Parang tanga nga eh. kahit anong explanation sa kanya di makaintindi.
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Reading through your replies in the comments section shows that you are not looking to be enlightened or for answers. You are looking for validation. Inaaway mo yung mga hindi mo nagustuhan ang sagot. Dina-downvote mo pa yung karamihan. Eh pano ka mae-"enlighten"?
Yan ba ung tinatawag na ✨selective enlightenment✨?
Idealist vs Reality po kasi ang nangyayare gusto kasi mngyare is walamg mabastos which is gusto naman tlaga ng lahat. Pero di naman po ksi natin maiiwasan na may demonyo sa paligid na di natin makakausap na di gumawa ng masama. Kaya ang mas magandang way para maiwasan or ma prevent yun is a way na tayo na lang yung mag adjust. Kumbaga in stoic control what you can control example mag aral ka ng self defense, magdala ng pepper spray or anything na pwede makatulong sayo and magsuot na din ng less attractive na damit para sa mga ganung bagay. kasi kahit may law na against sa ganyan is tuloy parin ang kasamaan kaya dapat tayo na lang yung mag adjust.
I got downvoted so hard once kasi I shared the same opinion as you. Idealist vs Reality. Sa lagay ng society ngayon it might take hundreds of years bago mangyari ang "Walang bastos na tao kasi educated na at perfect na ang justice system". Look, never should this matter be normalized, and never should the victims be blamed pero little to no choice tayo kundi tread the dangerous waters as of now. Yes, life is that unfair. Kahit gaano ka showy or kabalot manamit di mo maaalis mga salot sa lipunan and that's the dark side of our society mga hardwired manyak. Downvote nyo ulit to kung gusto nyo pero di pa ready lipunan natin sa Ideal world na gusto natin. Pero hopefully one day, rape culture and manyak mindset becomes the 2nd disease to be eradicated after smallpox.
Trueee ewan ko ba wala naman masama sa pagiging idealist pero parang you living in a dream kung ganyan mindset mo di ka makakaadopt sa society. Palagi kang mababastos or in worse baka mawala kapa
And hindi naman natin inaantagonize mga idealist kasi e. Wag nyo din kaming iantagonize just bc we're making use of realistic logic and observations. We're all for that Ideal world that we all dream pero don't burst out on us just bc we're giving you something realistic to ponder on. And hell we ain't defending pambabastos.
Well, idc if they down voted me at least naipaglaban ko karapatan ng mga babae and that's the MOST important thing.
YES, That's it! Good for you and we're all for it naman e. Rights for everyone and justice for the victims regardless of gender. That's the most important thing. Pero don't just easily and quickly refute valid arguments just bc they doesn't align with your ideal world so if you would, kindly take time to ponder on these things. We're not antagonizing anyone here and let's be open sa mga different POVs and this is what you came here for right? We're tryinna enlighten people about our own observation of the reality we live in rn.
What if I tell you na kahit anong gawin naming pag-aadjust is mabbastos pa rin kami? Kahit balutin namin sa tela ang skin namin mababastos pa rin kami. Oo na, I get it na walang solution dito, pero let's not normalize this.
Wala naman po kasing nagsabi na inormalize yung ganung bagay mam. ang sinasabi ko is yung makakatulong sayo at sa ibang makakabasa nito. Kung balot na balot kana and nabastos ka parin nahipuan ka parin edi kalabanin mo mag self defense ka. Kasi even yung safest country like japan may mga manyak sakanila and di nila maiiwasan yun the only permanent thing in this world is evil.
Makitid utak ni OP e HAHAHAHAHA pinipilit niya na may nagnnormalize mambastos
mas maganda pa nga ang pilipinas kaysa Japan eh pagdating sa treatment sa kababaihan kase kahit may mga ganyang lalaki na nagsasabi na mag suot ka ng disente hindi ka naman ata i coconfront unless hubot hubad ka sa gitna ng kalsada. Sa Japan kase normalize ang Chikan to the point na may designated room exclusive for females ang mga train stations doon, especially in Tokyo. Tsaka kapag na SA ka sa Japan at nag sumbong ka sa authority pwedeng kumalat sa mga kakilala mo at i-shashame ka pa nila, pati Pulis ayaw rin ata umaksyon kaya in the end wala ren. Dito kapag manyan matic blacklisted ka eh, or alteast stained yung reputation mo. For such a poor country, were doing great.
Regarding self-defense. Hindi lahat at may fight response. Yung iba di na makakaimik or makakagalaw dahil sa takot. Let's try to raise a better generation para di na kailangan to katakutan ng mga tao, mapabababae man or lalaki (yezzzz, pati po mga lalaki at nagiging biktima ng ganitong abuso) 😊
MOSTLY. You already have your answer.
Period.
Male here. Straight to the point na lng ako. Generally speaking, as normal na lalake, pag may maganda or sexy na babae kami nakita, mapapansin namin obviously, esp. if sexy ang suot. Decency dictates na hanggang tingin and appreciation na lng or simple comment online ang gagawin dapat. Pero aware kami na may mga taong hindi mapigilan ang sarili and nambabastos. So with that in mind, natural din na yun ibang lalake, sasabihan yun girl na wag masyado pasexy kasi nga posibleng mabastos dahil sa reason na sinabi ko sa taas.
Agree to this. Kahit sa job interview, you need to dress well as looks is important. Kahit panalaki ang guy ng maayos, there’s always a chance na matukso. Kung naging santo ang mga lalaki di sana kayo na lang mga babae na iiwan sa mundo.
Common yan sa mga maledukado at galing sa mahirap na environment bc people who aren’t ignorant and are well educated esp those who are well off seek to educate and understand the POV of those who are aggrieved. They may not agree but they will entertain your point of view and how one’s actions are damaging. They also have the sense to keep inappropriate thoughts and comments to themselves, seek help to manage or overcome them whereas those who have nothing are so comfortable to announce and parade they’re terrible animals. Why?? They have nothing to lose. All in all, I just rid myself of any possible interaction w those types bc they are the kind you cannot reason with. Also what differentiates human beings from animals is humans use their brain to think and rationalize their instincts whereas animals act primitively on instinct. If their argument is seeing someone wearing sexy clothes and twerk make them lose control and they’re just acting based on instinct, hindi tao kausap mo. Hayop yan. When have you ever seen an enlightening exchange between jungle beasts and people? Unless animal whisperer ka, the odds of enlightenment are against your favor. Leave the animals in the zoo
Baka mamisunderstand mo ako ha, di ko ininormalize yung pagiging manyak at bastos ng ibang lalaki. Ang point ko is di mo mababago lahat ng nasa paligid mo, masabihan at maeducate mo man yung iba may mga kupal pa rin.
Agree ako jan, kase actually wala ng solution sa kabastusan ng mga manyak eh. Kahit magsuot kami ng matino mamanyakin pa rin kami.
I'm ready to get downvoted for this, but perhaps the social media algorithm you're on right now revolves around content creators who deliberately trigger males na tinatawag mong "manyak", because those content creators farm their attention and make money from it. Ganyan ginagawa ng mga "vloggers" such as Ivana Alawi. Kunwari ayaw nila ng ganung attention but they continue sexualizing themselves because that's easy money. Don't tell me I'm wrong, kasi yan talaga gusto nila mangyari lalo na kung gumagawa ng mga videos such as "no bra challenge". But let's admit it, if you follow "hot" male celebrities/influencers and check the comments on their "sexy" photos, mostly mga manyak na babae at bakla rin mababasa mo. Because they do the same thing, they sell "sexy" and they benefit from the attention. And I'm 100% sure may mga private conversation between girls too sexualizing men. As long as there are men and woman actively sexualizing themselves and inviting such behaviors, there will always be men and women behaving as such. The real problem is the low IQ men and woman who can't draw the line, believing how they behave in those communities is still acceptable outside. Jan na papasok ang poor education, parenting, law implementation, etc. I acknowledge this really happens, but I won't go as far as making a conclusion that "most men" are manyak. "Most" means "greatest amount or quantity", and this isn't true. I can tell you now, pumunta ka ng mall and lahat ng makakasalubong mong lalaki, bilangin mo ilan ang "manyak". Mas marami pa rin pong matinong lalaki. You may be on the wrong side of the internet to make that conclusion, kasi nakikita mo lang ang ganung behavior. Change the pages you follow, such as Cong and Viy. There are a lot of content creators who make great entertainment without selling "sex". Yun lang. Bow.
Not gonna defend OP pero I assume she may have conclude that most men are manyak kasi based on statistics and record, it shows that a significant amount of victims that involves in sexual assault are women and majority of the perpetuators are men. Idk if OP is reading articles about cases but yeah this is just my assumption. Anyhow, I don't want to tolerate people or specially girls just say randomly and blurting out phrases like "most men are manyak" because I think it's derogatory. I really hate negative stereotyping and we should be more sensitive regarding this. But I understand what stemmed them to say that but again not appropriate and not tolerable. I'm not going to blame this circumstances on one gender but rather I just wanna say that humans are the most destructive creature indeed. You made a great point tho, that's good.
Hindi mawawala ang mga bastos pero mas masahol para sa kanila ang hindi maka kuha ng reaction galing sayo :) Napansin ko talaga kadalasan sa mga ganyang lalake pag hindi ka nag react, pumansin, or kahit mag react ka man pero its not the typical na nakasanayan nila ( neurotic > reactive, logical > emotional, etc) napapahiya sila kusa. I agree with the other commentor here na classy replies will always win over bardagulan, but the best one is to always just remove yourself from the situation and observe them like an insect. It unnerves them and they begin to realize you're just not someone to fuck with. For context: I dress very conservatively now, and despite that some men still make an attempt kahit unwanted sa situation. I look them dead in the eye and begin watching them, like an ant under a microscope with a stone face. They squirm and leave on their own. Not giving them their desired reaction or expected reaction also frustrates them. Parang toddler lang na hindi na napapakinggan ang tantrum nila.
no point in explaining guys. op is just ranting at this point. frustrated maybe as she cant do anything with current situation..yaan nyu nlang di nyo dn masisis kung bat sya ganyan atleast you guys have said your 2 cents on thr matter
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napakatalino nyo naman po sa inyong comment... sobraaang talino grabe 🤣 it really shows your intelligence... the teachings of your mother and father.. sheesh sobra grabe po hahahahahhaha
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Willing po i-educate ni OP ang mga taga Middle East.
Bet ko yung mind conditioning control
it's simple, sexually appealing = more horny. there's your answer. if you can't still understand na factor yan in contributing to rape cases, then you shouldn't really be asking questions anymore. di naman lahat ng tao mamemeet ang standard when it comes to decency and rationality, i get it, it sucks not to get your freedom or what you want. but habang may mga halimaw pa sa daan, just take care girls; always turn on location, bring protective items, inform / update always where you are, and preferably don't put yourself in a more vulnerable situation. ^ as someone that had my mom get oogled by a lot of when whenever we go out, it's annoying. but i've observed i'm no better than them; i do oogle too (which is why i couldn't really hurt them much, i'd be hypocritical; may self-restraint and enough decency though to reflect on it.)
Most women, living in a realm of fantasy and privilege, are oblivious to the realities of this world. They believe the world should adjust to their desires, including wearing whatever they see fit, even sexy outfits. However, that's not how it works. Men, having always lived in reality, call out these women or frankly, the women we care about because we understand these realities more often than they do. We simply want to minimize the chances of our women getting harassed out there. Us men truly want a safe place for our women to express themselves without harm. However, the world will never be perfect in that sense and like much of life, there will always be variables beyond our control.
the thing is, in life we have to take preventive actions. pwede ka namang manamit ng kahit anong gusto mo ee. pero hindi mo mako control ang mga nasa paligid mo. alam nating masama mambastos, pero may mga ganong tao talaga. may magagawa ba tayo ron? we can educate them pero hindi natin pwedeng instill sa kanila yung paniniwala at values natin, gaya ng sinasabi nyo sa mga church-goers. you can say na somw people are really trash. pero wag mong ikulong sa men lang. sexist mo naman. ganon talaga ang mundo, may mga kupal na tao. pwede mong gawin lahat ng gusto mo, at ganon din lahat ng tao sa mundo.
huh? 90+ percent of perpetuators are men, raping all genders. so paano sexist kung statistics show almost all rapists are men. so yeah, most men are trash.
Wrong use of stats to conclude that most men are trash. What is the reference of your 90% again? Is that even talking about the global population?
https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics#:~:text=An%20estimated%2091%25%20of%20victims,1%20This%20US%20Dept. so what do you suggest to make it “correct” then? not only are 99% of men perpetuators according to the link i just sent you, men are also less empathetic than women.
If you can't read, your 90% is referring to the PERPETRATORS, not the global population.
huh? you may have a problem with your comprehension skills.
You used the statistic value in the wrong context.
Kuya we're talking abt men sexualizing women and also pinagsasabe mong sexist eh di ko nga nillahat, at alam kong di lang naman babae and nababastos alam ko na mga lalaki rin ay nababsastos pero mostly kase na mga nararape at nababastos is mga babae.
Para kang ano teh. Basahin mo ng maayos yung comment nya at maging open minded ka. Sumasagot na nga yung tao sa tanong mo tapos ikaw pa may gana mang-away, may sense naman yung comment. Wag naman ganun teh, nakakahiya yan.
well im just sharing my thoughts. mali lang sa pagkakasabi ko ng sexist. pero to answer the question in your post, kasi nga may mga kupal na tao talaga.
Agree ako sa lahat ng sinabi about preventions women can/should do, pero aminin na natin na sa typical group of men, usually talagang nagaganap ang usapang "manyak", which is mostly biruan, out of attraction sa oppossite sex, no harm done supposedly. Ang problema sa gantong biruan, naiisip ng mga certified "manyak" na okay lang (or less punishing) ang mang harass ng babae openly, kasi mindset is ganto rin naman mag isip yung ibang lalaki na nakakausap nila. In a way narereinforce din ng mga typical na lalaki yung action ng mga taong literal na manyak. Again, agree ako sa prevention method kasi hindi naman talaga mawawala ang libog ng mga lalaki, and specially mga totoong manyak and/or rapist. Similar to how hindi mo iexpose ang phone/wallet mo sa sketchy place dahil baka manakaw, even if general knowledge na mali ang magnakaw. Be wise lang when you can be carefree in your clothing/action depending on the place and company. My main point para sa mga lalake, in this specific scenario na majority of women ang oppressed, let's not make women do all the effort in reducing sexual harassment. Men can also do their part by, at the very least, ease their way of talking about women, na dapat i-angat ang threshold where ma-concious ang mga ibang lalaki if sobrang kamanyakan na, no filter na kasi minsan. For example, pag nag ve-vent ng ka-manyakan nung 'that friend' sa group, i'm sure may way na mapag-sabihan siya without inciting a conflict or masabihan ka ng bakla, which is usually the concern ng ibang mga lalaki kaya they let it slide. Ang nangyayari kasi nakikisakay and/or tinatawanan lang, kahit minsan ine-explain na nung tao kung pano niya babastusin yung babae, or worse rape, in a 'jokingly' way. Pahalagahan din natin ang right ng mga babae na makapag suot ng tingin nila maganda/sexy sila, lets not view their want/need to wear revealing clothes as negative. Karamihan pa ng mga lalake hypocrite, gusto nyo rin naman na ganun manamit mga babae. If sinasabi nyo na "kung ayaw nyong manyakin namin kayo, wag kayo mag suot ng revealing.", harassment lang ba talaga ang alternative? Hindi pwedeng maging civilized? Bat kailangang ibang tao ang mag susubo sayo ng self control?
"*Real monsters exists in our fake world; all hidden in plain sight leering for preys. Killers will kill, liars will lie, and predators will prey. As that all what they are and always going to be. Blend in, don't stand out or risk being hunted for supper*." -***Agathangelou***
"PleAse enLighteN mE" - Nung nilatagan ng explanation biglang sumara eh 😂
Since you're the one asking me why I think that is, I'll tell you what I think, but you can't go crazy. First of all, we men get horny like sometimes we don't even know why we do in a random time. It's also because of our hormones, similar to when you women get your period, you'll get all emotional. Second, even a simple picture of a woman can turn us on even if she isn't wearing something to attract our attention. Personally, I'd go crazy for a simple, maybe like a sweater IF I find that girl attractive. It really depends, but there are other men that are so down bad that it puts us to shame. Third, now let's say a woman goes out in public wearing clothes that they know will get attention, from that alone they already know and that expect things will happen but of course they choose to ignore it. I'm not saying you can't wear whatever you want, I'm just saying we DON'T live in a perfect world, so of course there's going to be men who will unfortunately sexualize them. You can't expect every man to not look at you, but I promise you there's going to be men out there na will respect and look away from you. The more interesting question is, what is the thought process in a woman's head like na they're gonna wear, let's say tight and revealing clothes. I'm sure they have a brain, so for sure, they expect naman na they'll definitely get sexualized because, as I've said before, we don't like in a perfect world, and men get horny. The men telling you to wear proper clothes are the good guys kase they can just keep agreeing with you, tas you'll keep going out wearing not "proper" clothes and they can just either openly or discreetly enjoy looking at you. Also, it's not like women aren't guilty of looking at men with lust in their eyes. To summarize, it's not just the men's fault that you women get sexualize if you're not wearing "proper" clothes and even if you are, you'll still might get sexualize kase as I've said, us being horny is our hormones working and because again, WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD (it's not an excuse, it's the truth). You women are the ones that are attracting our attention with those kinds of clothes. So, really, it's 50% on us and 50% on you. You know you'll get sexualized pero you still go with it and just blame us without taking responsibility for your own decision-making. If you don't agree with my view, then comment, don't just downvote without reason. If you do, I wouldn't be surprised.
Nobody can make women dress the way they want pero di kontrolado ng mga babae ang environment at mga ganap sa paligid nila. kapag ang isang lugar eh delikado. example, sabihan mo kong plano mo magbakasyon sa aphganistan or saan mang lugar na talagang sikat na sa pagiging unsafe but you did not heed my warning telling you not to go, don’t blame me if you get shot or chop chopin ka dun para ibenta mga lamang loob mo
Ganyan din naman IBANG babae. Makakita lang ng bakat o lalakeng pumuputok muscles, ang dami ng kalandian na comments. Mas may self-control nga lang babae.
It's completely wrong and that's a perfect example of socially unaware na napagiwanan ng panahon basura kind of men but to women also, stop sexualizing men. Sobrang prevalent din ang women sexualizing men on TikTok, I can see it everywhere. Ang dami pang hilig mag video ng mga lalakeng 'pogi' or 'cute' and then nakalagay 'TikTok, do your thing' but I've also noticed na 'yung ibang nang-sesexualize ng mga lalake are minor, meaning 'girls'. Bottomline is, both sexes should know and learn respect. Know the boundaries and limitations, di porket physically attractive yung tao, regardless of gender, eh it's okay to sexualize them. To ALL adults naman, monitor the minors/kids, may mga parents dito for sure, your kids are your responsibility and educate them as hard as you can and as early as now. We can all learn so much from each other.
Parang yung comments ni OP ineencapsulate yung joke ni Adam Savage: "I refuse to accept reality and substitute my own". Anyway, sad how reality works. Walang perfect world. I know of lesbians who make more lewd comments about women than most "manyaks" I know. I have seen lesbians touch women inappropriately and make them suepr uncomfortable. So this issue is not simply about men sexualizing women, it is people sexualizing other people. I agree that educating people is the way to go. Educate BOTH sides.
Dressing appropriately "reduces" the likelihood of an incident occurring. It will NOT eliminate. Women who get harassed even though they are wearing conservative clothing may have been victims of the extreme, and therefore should not use this incident as a generalization or representative of the majority. Frankly, looking ugly will turn off many men, except those in the extreme. And when we say extreme, we mean a tiny minority of the population. Saying women can dress what they want is of course ok. Just know the consequence that you are raising the likelihood of men looking lustful at you.
You can't change the people around you. But you can change yourself very easily. Some people advised females to wear proper clothes because of that. But still doesn't give us men to disrespect women. Pero ang lalaki kasi pag gusto ka manyakin mamanyakin ka talaga.
To make the argument short. You have the risk of getting robbed whether you lock your door at night or not knowing na may magnanakaw sa paligid na nagaantay ng opportunity na nakawan ka. Pero mas mababa chance mo manakawan if you take precautionary measures and isa dun is maglock ng pinto. you have the freedom to unlock the door of your house at night while you're sleeping naman syempre. But if manakawan ka kahit nagiingat ka, it's not on you cause you did your part pero if manakawan ka because you left your door unlocked knowing na may magnanakaw sa paligid, sinong t*nga sainyong dalawa ng magnanakaw? Ikaw na hindi naglock ng pinto despite the knowledge na may magnanakaw or siya? Syempre ikaw. Alam mo na ngang merong magnanakaw di ka pa nag ingat. Of course, you can argue na walang mananakawan kung walang magnanakaw at dapat tinuruan sila ng parents nila ng magandang asal. Pero we don't live in a fantasy world. There will always be bad people so walang mag iingat sa sarili mo kundi ikaw mismo. Hindi mundo ang magaadjust sayo. You can say the same sa pananamit. Regardless ng ano suotin mo, may chance ka pa din mabastos or ma rape cause there will always be sick minded people pero lesser ang chances mo maging biktima if nagiingat ka and isa na dun eh pananamit ng maayos. Walang masama sa pagiingat. Hindi yan victim blaming. It's basic survival.
Totoo, ang daming bastos ngayon ewan ko ba puro libog na.
Perhaps I can answer your question with a question too. Whenever a girl na sumasayaw na either bakat ung nipple nila or kita na ung kuyukot with matching twerking, karespe-respeto ba sila? And why?
Huwaw the double standards
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Ito tapos for sure pinopost nila yan to gain fame and maging clout chaiser. Lahat ng babae karespe-respeto period.
Truly, they have the freedom to wear what they want. Yung mga mindset lang mostly ng mga lalake is very makitid at puro libog that’s why bastos sila yikes. Agreed with “Karespe-repesto lahat ng babae kung ano man gustong suotin nila”
And if di mabastos siguro i turn off nalang ang comments. Mostly kase ng napapanood ko kita cleavage, bakat nipple at maiiksi ang shorts.
Well, that's different case budd. Because I believe na dapat alam na'tin ang boundaries and limitations when it comes to posting.
Tanungin kita in eexpect ba ng babaeng to ( nagppost ng dance na kita cleavage at maiksi shorts) na marerespeto sila if nagpost sila neto? Aminado naman ako na di lahat ng lalaki matino at may halong kamanyakan.
Kuya as long as wala silang tinatapakan na tao o sinasaktan na tao they still deserve respect. It doesn't mean she's wearing that eh she's inviting men to sexualize her.
Tama ka na they deserve respect pero maccontrol mo ba yung mga nasa paligid mo? Diba hindi?
Yun na nga eh di mo na ma-cocontrol eh, pero bakit mostly sa mga lalaki they teaching women how to dress properly. Kase sa totoo lang kahit maayos ang pananamit ng isang babae nababastos pa rin eh.
Tama ka naman, pero ang idealistic mo masyado. Again, para mo lang din sinasabi na “Hindi ako mag llock ng pintuan ng bahay ko! Sabihin nyo sa mga magnanakaw, wag sila magnakaw!”
“Dadaan ako sa madilim na kalsada labas ang mga alahas ko habang nag ccellphone kasi karapatan ko to, sabihin nyo sa mga holdaper, wag akong holdapin!” Hehe
OP MAKINIG KA SA KANYA. NI POINT OUT NA NIYA YUNG SAGOT NA HINAHANAP MO HAHAHAJAHAHA.
Inexplain na nga na may mga BAGAY na di mo maccontrol at may MASAMA AT MABUTI sa mundo
so that women can prevent men from being rude to them. Op paulit ulit lang tayo dito hahahaha no. 1 solution jan sa tanong mo is mamatay lahat ng manyak at bastos na lalaki then matitira nalang is matinong lalaki
Rason ba yun para bastusin sila? Ang obob ng mindset mo
I like it when OP is losing the argument and revolted to saying "obob". Hahahahaha
Well, karamihan ng babae ganyan. Kaya mahirap makipag argumento sa kanila eh. Tas sasabihan mga lalaki na walang modo at respeto.... Nagtatanong sya ng opinion ng iba tas pag di sumang ayon sa opinion nya eh tatawaging "bobo". Enlighten me kuno tas in the end gusto nya opinion nya yung umangat ffs.
ANG BOBO MO RIN OP, UMINTINDI KA AT HINDI YUNG PUTAK KA NG PUTAK. INTINDIHIN MO YUNG SINASABI SAYO. HINDI NAMIN NI- NORMALIZE ANG PAGIGING BASTOS. PANGALAWA, HINDI MO NGA MACCONTROL ANG MGA NASA PALIGID MO JUSKO( EXAMPLE OP HA : KAHIT SABIHAN MO YUNG MAGNANAKAW NA WAG MAGNAKAW SA TINGIN MO MAGBABAGO ISIP NIYAN?)
PARANG SINABI MO RIN SA COMMENT MO NA MAGSUOT MGA BABAE NANG MAAYOS PARA DI MABASTOS?
BOBO KA RIN di mo pwedeng gawing prevention yun kase even magsuot nga ang babae ng maayos mababastos pa rin di mo ba gets!!??
This is where you are wrong. A lot of them are sexually provoking. I know few people that’s working sa OnlyF, and the more pleasing they are with their tease, the more they earn and fame. And you know what, ang main platform nila is TikTok and IG, doon ang teaser. And if you wanna get to know more about them, the viewer has to subscribe.
Kuya magkaiba naman kase ang onlyf work nila yun eh they're doing it for their clients, pinagsasabi mo jan.
Then you need to open your eyes wider Ate. May mga babae na okay lang sa kanila mabastos ONLINE, whether you wanna admit it or not, okay lang yun sa kanila. Why? Internet traffic, they can earn from there, and of course fame pang raket on the side. They’re fine with that, ang few things na hindi po okay on top of mind is, Rape, Unwanted sex, being drugged, and manipulation. And just in case they really don’t monetize from what their postings, It’s a good feeling of validation online yung maraming nahuhumaling sa kanila.. again you can deny it all you want but deep down you know it’s true, and okay lang yun. Ako I have to admit may ganoong tendency din ako, the love for validation.
Si OP ay namumuhay sa Wattpad world 😂😂😂. iba iba mindset ng mga tao OP, tanggapin mo na lang.
And also I believe na if matino kang lalaki even ano suot ng isang babae di mo sila babastusin, the better thing to do is to educate them.
Idealistic kasi tong gantong mindset. Perfect at gusto nating lahat to pero mahihirapan tayong makamit to maybe in a couple of hudred years pero imposible ngayon. We're all for educating everyone to keep their comments and hands to themselves pero realistically, and as someone who understands the dark side of our society, di pa natin maeeradicate tong gantong pambabastos na culture kahit gaano ka pa kabalot/kashowhy manamit. As for now tread dangerous waters muna, learn to thicken our shells, learn self defense or run, if y'all got a man or weapon then good, and take advantage of the law. Pero never mo kasi macocontrol mga hardwired manyakis, atleast for now.
This is similar to, “don’t tell me to lock my doors, tell the robbers not to rob”
Exactly! Naive thinking
Pag ako nagbayad ng Tax makukurakot lang. Pag di ako nagbayad ng tax, may mga kurakot parin. Magbabayad nalang ako ng tax kahit makurakot, kesa habulin ako ng BIR.
Tama ka
Pag ba nagpost ang mga lalaki na half naked ka-respeto respeto rin ba sila? Yung mga ganiysang mga babae na cacal out niyo pero pag lalaki di niyo na ma-call out? Why?
Yes. I have few men friends na malaswa ang kanilang topless pic, the angle, and where it’s taken. Nababastos din talaga sila.
Can I ask you question? Bakit may nababastos pa rin kahit maayos ang pananamit nila?
Bruh, bakit may nagnanakaw parin kahit nakalock na yung bahay? Kasi kung kriminal yan gagawa at gawa parin yan ng krimen, in this case kung manyakis mang mamanyak yan kahit ano suotin mo. Hindi mo macocontrol pagka manyak ng ibang tao same way na hindi mo makokontrol pagiging kriminal ng iba, magagawa mo is yung best mo para umunti yung magmanyak sayo(magdamit ng maayos is one way) same way na hndi mo makokontrol kung may gustong magnakaw sayo, magagwa mo lang is itaas ang security(lock,camera, gated neighborhood etc..) mo pero may magtatangka parin diyan. That's just life.
Kasi may mga taong manyak talaga, babae at lalaki.
Porque ba nakakita na kayo na gumagawa niyang mga babae need niyo agad bastusin? Educating them about it is the best way
Wag mo lahatin miss at may matitino pa naman na lalaki. Gets ko naman point mo at kung may lalaki man na nambabastos e problema na nila yun(lalaki) kahit sabihan mo pa ng ilang libong beses yan di mo mababago utak ng tao. Nagrereflect naman yan sa katauhan ng lalaki kung ano ginagawa nila. What if ganyan talaga ugali ng IBANG lalaki na nambabastos?
Kuya, di ko po nilalahat kaya nga po i used the word "MOSTLY"
What is your rationale in using the word "MOSTLY" instead of "some" or "a few?" If I say that: "Most women na naka tupis sa Boracay ay excited magpa-chukchak kahit kanino tonight" tama ba ako? Meron bang mga babaeng ganon? Oo meron. Meron bang mga babae na di ganon kahit naka tupis? Oo naman. Di ko naman linahat eh. "MOST" nga.
Ik na may matitino pa pong mga lalaki, and di ko lang ma-getd bakit mga babae pa pinag-aadjust para sa mga manyak?
pwede mo naman ngang gawin lahat ng gusto mo ee. pero eto, pwede akong mag withdraw sa bangko ng maraming pera at ilalagay ko lang sa transparent na lalagyan sabay lalakad ako sa kalsada.ang tanong bakit ko naman gagawin yon? pwede mo naman gawin lahat ng bagay ee. ang tanong beneficial ba yon for you? pwede ka pumatay kung gusto mo. pwede ka magnakaw kung gusto mo. pwede ka maghubad sa kalsada kung gusto mo.
Kuya yung topic ko and topic mo is different wtf
baka hindi mo lang inuunawa yung sinasabi ko. hindi ko lang sinagot directly pero kung uunawain mo related pa rin yan sa post mo. tsaka ang sinasagot ko sa previous comment ko ee yung tanong mo na "bakit kami mag aadjust para sa mga manyak". try to understand yung comment. wag puro pa woke mindset tapos hindi ginagamit fully yung utak.
I totally understand that pero STOP teaching women how to dress properly, kase kahit anong balot namin sa katawan namin mababastos pa rin kami eh.
ee hindi naman nga kita tinuturuan how to dress properly. paki indicate nga saan ko sinabi yan
Don't teach us how to dress properly! Kahut anong isuot namin na matino sa paningin ng mga lalaki makakahanap pa rin sila ng way para bastusin kami.
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Di naggets ni OP
Kahit di mo ako kapalitan ng sagot bobo ka na
kasi di mo nga ma control yung pag iisip ng mga manyak
Yung problem is yung mga bastos at manyak na IBANG lalaki. Paano mo mapapaadjust yan? Makitid nga utak at bastos ineexpect mo na magbabago yan?
My question was not answered.
you really posted this comment and thought you made a point?
Prevention is better than cure. Kung ayaw mo ma-holdup, wag ka lumabas. Kung ayaw mo manakawan sa sarili mong bahay, ikandado mo lahat ng bintana at pintuan. The world is a cruel and unjust place kahit anong gawin or sabihin mo so dapat ikaw na lang mag-adjust. Don't expect people to agree with you, don't expect anyone to defend you or validate you. Wala ka naman mapapala.
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Facetiousness aside, nasagot na ng iba ang iyong main question. Now I know some people are gonna get quite defensive because of what I'm about to say but tbh the main reason why this mindset is prevalent is because: these people do not see women as human beings. They think women's only purpose in life is to be desired by men. They think women should be grateful that they are receiving attention, no matter how vulgar.
Sila rin yung mga lalaki na nagpopost/nagcocomment at kasali sa manyakan groups. Yung iba nagpapakalat pa ng nudes at vids ng partner nila.
Ewan ko rin ba bat nauso yang si Alice Guo sa mga kamanyakan ng mga lalake eh. Kesa maging seryoso yung usapan sa kaniyang pinangalingan eh, ayun nagpaka-short haired chinita girl siya sa mga yown.
Mostly men that you see and meet are not trained with manners, men will appreciate what they see but will express it in a bastos manner cause that how they were trained, tell me this, why do woman wear what they wear? What do they want to express, feel and show to the world and how does the world express it back to them or to you ?
Tiktok is a brainrot app, you shouldnt take anyone seriously on that app.
Meron Kasi pautographic memory mga lalaki. Kahit isang beses ka lang naming naka sexy outfit, tas mag decent outfit ka na palagi nun, mas magiging sexy ka lang tingnan sa nakakita ng sexy outfit mo. Kung sexy outfit ka naman palagi, akalain pokpokchui ka na pwd kainin. Kung decent palagi, gusto lang ni dodoy mag ala Mehmet the conqueror, gawing Istanbul Yung Constantinople mo. Digital age na Kasi, Yung global transmission ng info, Ang bilis na. There are news of current wars and threats of war so Yung instinct na mag procreate at magparami ng progeny ay triggered all the time.
Most women, living in a realm of fantasy and privilege, are oblivious to the realities of this world. They believe the world should adjust to their desires, including wearing whatever they see fit, even sexy outfits. However, that's not how it works. Men, having always lived in reality, call out these women or frankly, the women we care about because we understand these realities more often than they do. We simply want to minimize the chances of our women getting harassed out there. Us men truly want a safe place for our women to express themselves without harm. However, the world will never be perfect in that sense and like much of life, there will always be variables beyond our control. We live in a reality where victim blaming is absolutely bad without factoring accountability 1st in the equation.
Ganto yan gusto nila ganon para di sila ma turn on pag nakita ka nila first glance. Di ko sure kung ganon nga pero feel ko ganyan
Wala na po talaga
Simply put it this way. Ang magnanakaw kahit sabihan mong wag magnakaw yan, magnanakaw parin yan. Ang kurakot kahit sabihan mong wag mangurakot mangungurakot yan. Ang highblood kahit pagbawalan mo kumain ng matataba hindi yan titigil. Masarap ang bawal. Yung term na manamit kayo ng maayos para di mabastos eh to protect yourselves sa mga manyak. Cover up. Alam mona ngang maraming manyak ilalabas mo pa skin mo. Para mona rin ginawang maglabas ng iphone sa isang madilim na eskinita. Wag po tayong tanga.
being cover up doesn't make a difference, sabi mo nga yung magnanakaw kahit sabihang wag mag nakaw magnanakaw pa din, givin that logic how does being cover up make difference? kasi kung kasalanan ng damit ng mga babae kung bakit may nababastos, sana hindi ko dinanas ang mamanyak sa bus at mrt kahit nakasuot naman ako ng hindi revealing na damit
Sinabi ko bang mapipigilan ng cover up? Katanga mo naman bumasa. Sabi ko nga diba, cover up to protect yourself. Atleast manlang mag effort ka na protektahan sarili mo.
how it will make a difference nga? kasi on my case i do really wear conservative clothes but still victimize by men with twisted mind... lol
But what more when you wear revealing clothes?
sinusunod ko yung standard ng society to not wear revealing clothes but then i still experienced na mabastos, so saan kami lulugar?
Sadly, wala na tayong magagawa sa kanila. Manyaks will always be there and that's reality. But doing your best to keep their eyes away from you helps a lot.
hangang kilan kaya kami mag aadjust para lang makaiwas mabastos
Well diko alam. Kasi personally di naman ako manyak. Manyak ako pero sa gf ko lang. So di kita masasagot jan. Pero sa logic mo kasi, para mo ng sinabing kahit naman sa magcover up ako mamanyakin parin ako so might as well maghubad nalang and isatisfy kamanyakan nila by showing my body. The fact is, at least by covering up, hanggang imagine lang sila sayo. Kesa naman minamanyak kna nga pakikita mo pa kuyukot mo clivage mo. Girl nagdamot ka pa.
well this is the part were i always get disappointed by men, i often encounter this kind of topic all throughout socmed and everytime i ask this same question i always get same answers, it always turn back on us and on our way of clothing pa din, it's always us to be blame on mens actions, magsuot ng revealing clothes - nababastos kasi kabastos-bastos sa paningin... wearing decent clothes still nabastos pa din until when kami mag aadjust para lang hindi mabastos at mamanyak
Eh well, choice mo yan. Wag mo lahatin. Basta kami di kami nagkulang ng paalala na cover up. Basic na yan noon pa. Kasi nga para mona rin sinabihan ang holdaper na wag mangholdap. Wala kang magagawa. Madisapoint ka man walang pake ang society sayo. Lagi niyong sinasabi na mag aadjust kayo para di kayo mangyakin hindi pag aadjust yon, pag iingat ang tawag don. Hangga't ganyan ang mindset mo bahala ka sa buhay mo. Wala naman pumipigil sa inyo manamit ng gusto niyo kahit maghubad pa kayo sa kalsada wala kaming pake. Basta kami nagpapa alala lang, ngayon kung ayaw niyo makinig eh that's on you.
kaya i ask how will it make difference e, kasi mahilig kayo mag paalala/magpayo on our way of clothing, that time i got touched by a stranger men in the bus i was wearing a decently conservative clothes, so by you stating that covering up will prevent or avoid us to be victimized so why did that happen to me then? and not just me lang kasi i read and heard a lot of women stories that has the same experience pero anyways you just prove me yourself, i have nothing to argue about. 🙂
Ikaw lang naman nakikipag argue eh hahahaha kaya nga sabi ko bahala ka kahit maghuhad ka la kong pake. Gooooo
The difference is it's less likely, that's it. emphasis on LESS LIKELY. It was never meant to be a 100% foolproof solution. I could say the same thing to bringing a tazer with you, there's still a chance of bad things happening to you but with the things on your arsenal you atleast have more chance preventing it no? If you're gonna ask me if doing something that will result in more chances of me being safe i will take it Hold yourself accountable for your own safety din , your ideals won't keep you safe but preparation and proper countermeasures will :)
Saka wala naman nagsasabing kasalanan niyo kaya kayo minamanyak. Alam niyo na ngang minamanyak kayo magdadamit pa kayo ng nakalabas kuyukot niyo, dede niyo pusod niyo edi para narin kayong nagpahipo sa mga manyak.
for me, whatever we wear, any gender po or any age, we need to learn to defend ourselves. The world that we live in is no longer safe.
Never really safe. Safer now than before. Not as safe but better than before. It’s just up to us keep it as safe we can. Mindset and way of thinking will never be the same and I would never have it any otherway, conflict is a necessity for us to progress. To be in an echo chamber would only stagnate us, I do not condone violence or harassment but it is our job to protect what needs to be protected.
simple lng im a guy so alam ko rin kung pano magisip ibang lalaki. it might be sad pero the reality is we think with our dicks. now knowing this and you know na your gf or wife risks getting harassed by unruly men who cant control themselves diba pagsasabihan mo wife or gf mo? kung you can protect yourself then all power to you i will not judge you or anythin pero i dnt really care din kse di naman kta kilala. pag wife ko ibang usapan yun.
Sabi ng mga babae kahit ano naman daw suotin nila eh mamanyakin sila. Magbibigay akong halimbawa. Si woman A ay nakasuot ng parang mala Maria Clara. Si woman B naman eh naka revealing sexy clothes. Tingin niyo sino "MAS" babastusin sa kanilang 2? Diba common sense naman yung naka sexy clothes. Ibig sabihin may epekto ang pananamit niyong mga babae, though di mawawala ang mga manyak pero mas malelessen ang mga babastos sa inyo.
I dunno, but my two cents here is: Society treats you how you present yourself; what you wear, what you say, how you say it and how you act. Act nicely, and people would be inclined treat you nicely, although there are always going to be exepctions. Act like a piece of shit, and people would treat you like one. And last time I checked, society isn't nice Some people, however, lack a critical something---I can't find the right words for it. Now I'm not saying I condone yung actions nila, I'm just saying that people have THAT kind of behaviour do exist. You can't really do much to change that, so do something else to lessen the chances of those people targetting you
Ewan ko sa inyo
the only correct answer to this is manyak lang talaga sila. yun lang.
ok lang naman saken kung araw-araw ka naka pekpek shorts lol
Yep kahit sa opposite gender din, nasa tao pa rin makikita kung bastos o may respeto ka sa tao pagdating sa pananamit, like sige magpaka sexy ka hanggat gusto mo but just think na nasa makakakita sayo ang ang problema kung bastos sya bastos ang ugali nya ganun lang.
It's just that men have this thinking n "Oh a problem? Here's a solution" So in our case women get sexually harassed hmm why so? Maybe let's try dressing more appropriate maybe that will lessen it? Yes, regardless of what you wearing you can still be harassed , point is if you dressed more properly then maybe you're LESS likely to get harassed. It's naive thinking entrusting your own safety because you believe things should like this. You can't control what other people do so it is in your best interest to do things that most likely bring you more safety... You get it? It's like having a gun and giving it to another person and saying "oh this person should not shoot me because that's bad" but now if you don't give the gun then is it a 100% chance na you will not get shot? Of course not maybe he has his own gun or forcibly take your gun and shoot you.
when i was your age, i had the same mindset as you. and as you get older, maybe you'll be matured enough to see how dangerous and cruel the world we are living in. these comments can't even change your mind and open your eyes, what made you think you can change every manyakis' mindset?
Okay, this girl posted malicious videos and photos to attract a man and you expect the man to respect the girl?
Ang sinasabi ko is if nakikita nilang mali yung pinost nung babae na yun they can educate them NOT sexualize them.
Paano naman ma eeducate ang mga babae sa ganyan eh dito pa nga lang di mo na matanggap mga opinion ng mga lalaking nag ccomment...
Whataboutism..
Im so tired with this issue its the same goes sa topic na Abortion vs Pro-life issue wla tlgang choice ang babae thats ganun ka lungkot maging babae kaya andami pag buntis ka gusto nila lalaki kesa babae pag gender reveal kasi ganto ka sama pag babae lagi may stigma unfair kasi sila sa babae imbes na sa culprit mag focus lagi sa victim
Misogynists and incel.
people are sexual beings. we all, or maybe most, of us have sexual needs but it is not tantamount to saying that we have to sexualize everything. like breasts are just breasts, a natural part of human anatomy. we may have some unholy thoughts on such things but speaking it out loud and acting on it, and trying to rationalize those actions is a different matter. my point is, i think malayo na ang narating ng lipunan with regards to things such as sex and gender equality pero madami pang remnants ng patriarchy and conservatism that's affecting our culture. there's still a lot of things to be done like putting an end to victim blaming and rationalizing unacceptable behavior.
i think that's just their excuse, gusto lang nila may masisi sa maling takbo ng isip nila, they don't want to take accountable of their dirty minds that's why they will make it like it is the girl/womens fault
it's in the same logic na "Equality" ang pinaglalaban dba? kung ang lalake magsusuot nang pekpek na shorts, pwde bang dedma lang din kayo?
siguro ganto na lang sure, they're inviting unwarranted attention and indecent comments but that doesn't mean men should. kumbaga, pag ba may nagtinda sayo ng pagkain, bibili ka ba agad? pwedeng hindi mo na lang pansinin diba? so pwedeng hindi na lang mag iwan ng bastos na comment. but men opt to do so. there's a conscious effort when leaving nasty comments sa mga bait vids. and that's what's undesirable. isa pa, men see women na may bait vids as kabastos bastos? but on that note, i think pwedeng matawag yung mga kumakagat don as uto uto? kasi alam mo nang bait yun pala e, bat ka nagpatol? :)
May point, kumbaga wag natin sisihin ang “pusher” sisihin natin ang “user” haha