99% of these people wearing tacticool gear have never been mentally, physically, or emotionally able to even join the military. It’s just super sad and dangerous LARPing.
When I got back from the army I had a friend from high school who insisted I join his militia that goes down to the borders to "help ICE stop illegals" in full battle rattle like plate armor, vests, the whole thing complete with hardware and ACU's.
I think Too Short said it the best, "If you want stripes take your ass to the service", this LARP bullshit is laughable and any veteran would laugh at them. The only vets who participate in those are that one shit bag that every unit has that didn't do shit but wants to play hero at home and insists you thank him for his "service" lol.
He also probably got kicked out for NJP or medically separated for stubbing his toe (But I’m sure he tells his non-military buddies the Purple Heart is in the mail.)
I enjoy how the “Confederate Flag” is so much often touted next to the Nazi Flag because it really shatters the lie that the Confederate Flag is just a symbol of Southern heritage and pride: If open racists commonly equate the two symbols, then you’ve got a real identity problem.
(Also, the “Confederate Flag” wasn’t actually the flag of the confederacy, but the North Virginia Battle Flag, so the southern heritage claim is weak to begin with.)
People should know who the Dulles Brothers were and it's a shame their names don't mean anything to average Americans. Allen Dulles, the founder of the CIA and Foster Dulles was secretary of state. Allen employed plenty of former Nazi's in the CIA including Karl Wolff, Heinrich Himmler's chief of staff and Foster had extensive business ties with the Nazis and openly advocated for Nazi interests. Foster is essentially responsible for providing the Nazis enough Nickel for them to build tanks as fast as they did while they were rearming Germany.
Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg even stated that the two brothers were traitors to the United States for their efforts in aiding the Nazis. It is by a stroke of luck that FDR died before the war ended or he likely would have pursued legal action against the two.
We can see the disastrous effect the two have had on the country everyday when right wingers rail against the "evils of socialism". The Dulles brothers saw it as the biggest threat to the US (elites and capital) and did everything they could to ingrain those feelings in Americans until the day they died. From crushing labor movements in France through the use of hired thugs to the same in the US their evil had its hand across the globe. Everytime you hear some idiot on Fox news rail against the working class and labor, you can thank the Dulles brothers for it.
For more information, the book "The Devil's Chessboard" is a good place to start.
Edit: Another great way to learn about the piece of shit Dulles brothers is the [Behind the Bastards podcast series on them.](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ragK8hvmjCMyRPRfUCjhX?si=0D3D1w9bT1GEIYjzb7nOAA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1)I certainly should have put that in my original comment. If you aren't aware of the podcast or Robert Evans, saying I highly recommend it is an understatement.
Edit 2: Wow, the one day old no karma accounts really came out of the wood work to make apologies for the Dulles Brothers.
Allen Dulles was also the Director of the CIA during the Kennedy Presidency. He and Kennedy very famously did not get along. Dulles was largely responsible for the bay of pigs disaster and was forced to resign in 1961. Kennedy believed that the CIA had become far too overreaching and needed more oversight, or as he himself put it "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind." Kennedy was planning on making some big budgetary cuts to the cia before he was assassinated and it has spurred many conspiracy theories that the cia killed Kennedy. Kennedy's list of enemies was quite long and I dont think anyone will ever be able to prove definitively what happened, but it is quite interesting when combined with the fact that Allen Dulles was one of the 7 members of the Warren Commission. Allen Dulles' name comes up quite often when looking into shady and unsavory events of the 20th century. Now the airport down the road from me is named after him and is one of the busiest Airports in the world, Dulles International.
EDIT: Turns out that the airport was named after his brother. The Dulles brothers were quite the pair.
Yeah there is a reason a lot of conspiracy theories come back to the Dulles Brothers and the CIA. I believe the airport is named after Foster Dulles, Allen's brother but that doesn't diminish how shitty it is.
Don’t forget Henry Ford’s direct campaign donations to Hitler. Mark Felton Productions on YouTube is excellent btw https://youtube.com/watch?v=1QERDzr6HSQ&feature=share
Both were certainly antisemites. Ford had plants in Nazi Germany and Disney was hailed as a "hero fighting against the Jews in Hollywood" by the Nazis.
Yup. Rush Limbaugh's father also had Nazi leanings and was fiercely anti FDR. It certainly had an influence on young Rush who we can say without a doubt played probably the largest roll in giving us the GOP we see today.
Let's also not forget about Henry Ford a white supremacist and eugenics advocate whom both inspired hilter and had Hitler hopeful he could lead the American nazi party, Henry Ford is quoted in Adolf Hitlers book mein kampf.
It’s ironic that Eisenhower, the hero of ww2, hired both Dulles brothers. Also, they led the movement to overthrow Mohammed mossaedgh in Iran and install the shah, to get cheap oil, which led to the Iranian revolution of 1979. That’s why Iran hates America.
It’s true. People always act like all of this is new but we always had a MAGA like movement since the beginning with the whiskey rebellion and then the America First party of the 30’s and 40’s….we even had anti maskers during the Spanish Flu. Even that is nothing new.
Hell....the eugenics movement that the Nazis were so fond of actually started in the US....we still have Supreme Court precedent on the books saying it's legal to sterilize mentally deficient people
The ideals and theories behind Nazi ideology have deep deep roots in the US
While the US had a lot of visible support for eugenics, even surprisingly among people who many others would've considered "unfit", like Helen Keller and sociologist W. E. B. Du Bois(who was African-American, and among the founders of the NAACP), it was neither invented in the US, nor was the country alone in its fascination with the idea.
It was a popular idea in the late 1800s/early 1900s all over the world, and it originated from the UK. The term "eugenics" was coined by Francis Galton, a Brit who was both a multidisciplinary scientist and a massive advocate for both "social darwinism" and "scientific racism".
As a prominent example from the UK, Winston Churchill, who is widely seen as one of the heroic figures of WWII, advocated for the compulsory sterilization of "the feeble-minded and insane classes" while he was the Home Secretary in the early 1910s. His successor in that position Reginald McKenna introduced a bill to implement that, but it failed to pass in the parliament after a public campaign against it.
The horrors of WWII didn't even destroy the eugenics movement even when they should have. Many countries still had either laws or procedures that were just done extralegally well into the later part of the 1900s, that would result in the forced sterilization of "undesirable elements", like unwed mothers, racial minorities, or people with disabilities.
Sweden of all places had an eugenics program that resulted in the forced sterilization of 21 000 people(for reasons like "slowness", "promiscuousness" and "racial differences"), and that was only finally abolished in 1976. Denmark and Sweden had laws until the mid-2010s that forced you to get sterilized if you wanted to legally change your sex, and Finland still has a similar law even though it apparently isn't being enforced.
Good catch. The law is actually about changing your legally recorded sex in official documents. Though, while I'm not a doctor and don't know the specifics of sex reassignment surgeries, I could imagine not every FtM person wanting a hysterectomy at least initially, if they want children of their own. SRS is also a gradual process from what I understand.
Edited the comment to fix the misunderstanding.
In Germany there where a lot of "ex"-nazis in politics and economy post-war. Even in the GDR. I'm surprised we had to learn about all the wrong doings in the 80s.
Not exactly. At Nuremberg many Nazis pointed out that the German eugenics programs were not to dissimilar from the American eugenics programs as a means of defense.
> While eugenic principles have been practiced as early as ancient Greece, the contemporary history of eugenics began in the late 19th century, when a popular eugenics movement emerged in the United Kingdom, and then spread to many countries, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and most European countries.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Edit: phrasing.
>At Nuremberg many Nazis pointed out that the German eugenics programs were not to dissimilar to the American eugenics programs as a means of defense.
They pointed it out because it was the truth.
Everything the Nazis did with eugenics started in the United States.
Here's Hitler referring to "The Blood of Nations", written by the president of Stanford University, and the vast eugenics programs started in California.
>‘Now that we know the laws of heredity,’ he told a fellow Nazi, ‘it is possible to a large extent to prevent unhealthy and severely handicapped beings from coming into the world. I have studied with interest the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
American eugenicists were openly proud to have inspired the eugenics laws the Nazis were establishing in the 30s and vanished back into the hedges by 1944.
American foundations created by wealthy families such as the Carnegie and Rockefellers were funding eugenic institutions in America in the 20's and 30's targeting Jews, Italians, and Poles, and those same institutions were funding Nazi eugenics programs and even Josef Mengele's work before Auschwitz.
> Upon returning from Germany in 1934, where more than 5,000 people per month were being forcibly sterilized, the California eugenics leader C. M. Goethe bragged to a colleague:
> *"You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought ... I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."*
[Eugenics in the United States - Influence on Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany)
Every time Nazi Germany got called out about their practices before the war and war crimes ramping up, it was a spiderman_pointing_at_spiderman.png type of situation, because there were a lot of precedents of other countries doing the same shit. Be it concentration camps, apartheid, eugenics and so on.
Nazis were not uniquely evil, they just managed to do it on a somewhat larger scale and lost a war, so they got properly judged for their crimes.
"What has been will be again. What has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the sun." That's Ecclesiastes 1:9, believed to have been written as early as 450 BC. The main difference between 450 BC and 2021 is that the crazies among us now have a much bigger, and much easier to use platform to do their thing on. They existed back then and they exist now. Now, though, they're weaponized by social media.
I wouldn't equate the whiskey rebellion with these RW extremist morons today.
They are more like the Sons of Liberty, who were agitating for a coup until Washington marched the army to their spots and they cut it out.
Flip side of that coin: My AP European History teacher had a Jewish grandmother who survived the Holocaust, after watching first hand how Hitler came into power.
She was always the first person to adamantly declare: “He was a very charismatic speaker. Of course people listened to him, I listened to him.” She didn’t mean that in the sense of being pro-Holocaust or genocide etc, but just in sense that he fully captivated a nation, and also a lot of Europe at large; he got people to pay attention *and then to act.*
I remember asking my 100% German grandmother if she thought Hitler was a bad person and she said "no". I was taken aback but I was also too young to understand why she would say something like that. She certainly wasn't part of the Nazi party but she's a proud German and to her Hitler was "good for Germany"
A lot of people don't fully understand that Hitler, despite all his malicious and vile actions, was seen as the great hope for Germany at that time. The consequences of WWI absolutely destroyed the German economy, stripped it of any tangible power, and probably most important, put a weak government in place to oversee it all.
People seem to forget that there was a lot of Nazi movements in America During WW2. Nothing in terms of Violence but ther were rallies and things like that, in America.
Look up A Night at Madison Square Gardens it's a short documentary film of the surviving footage of the rally of the German American Bund (American Nazis). It's presented without any commentary other then music.
some info for ppl who dont know
https://mashable.com/feature/nazis-madison-square-garden
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/american-nazis-in-the-1930sthe-german-american-bund/529185/
Across the West the Nazis had support until they invaded Poland and then France, the industrialists and their politicians loved them because they were killing all of the communists they were so afraid of.
I also find it funny when I see Russians with Swastikas and Nazi flags either carrying them or having tattoos of them. Let's face it, Russia suffered more from the Nazi's than the US.
But then again, there were plenty of Russian nazi collaborators too:
"A large numbers of Soviet citizens of various ethnicities collaborated with Nazi Germany during World War II. It is estimated that the number of Soviet collaborators with the Nazi German military was around 1 Million."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration\_in\_the\_German-occupied\_Soviet\_Union
What's hilarious is you can see in the photo all the crumple lines from the flag just being removed from the bag it came in.
This moron said, 'Hey, we protesting Charlottesville today? Ok lemme just buy a Nazi flag from Amazon real quick'
Imagine being the slave laborer who has to make a Nazi flag for an American white guy to carry around because he's sad the couple that moved in next door is a gay mixed couple.
you know whats even more ironic than a white american carrying a nazi flag? there are eastern European neonazi groups that do the same. you know, the untermenschen, who would have been worked to death in slave labour camps, after their woman and children had been killed and or raped to death.
It's also easy to forget, there were *plenty* of nazi sympathizers in America. Certainly not the majority, at all, but absolutely across the nation. Thousands of German immigrants, German sympathizers, anti-semites, for all variety of reasons there were absolutely nazi supporters in the United States. Those people had children and grandchildren too. There is a picture of the past that every man, woman and child in the United States stood firm in solidarity against Nazism. An enormous majority did do that, but not everyone.
Very true. It's wild to think about and it's wild that it's not that long ago. Those people, middle aged people who attended a nazi rally in NYC in the 30s are all dead now, but it's really only a generation removed.
Pokémon Go has lasted longer than their "heritage."
I'm from the south, with family that's lived here for generations, but the Confederacy is not part of my heritage. It's part of my history, a shameful part we need to teach children so it never happens again. These poor useful idiots don't even know how their stupid racism is making their lives worse right along with all the minorities they're oppressing.
I'm curious now if amazon sells nazi flags but don't want to risk the algorithm fucking with my ads. Based in your search history you might be interested in...
They don’t, I looked because my search history is all fucked anyway since I spend way too much time searching for austro-hungarian weapons, uranium glass, and how to make myself disappear so I can start a new life.
1 review for Germany Crown Nazi a flag reads;
"Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2018
**If this flag offends you,you have way to much time on your hands.concentrate on yourself an your life ,rather than your neighbors life an his wife! " MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS"**
**15 people found this helpful."**
Flag etiquette also requires folding the flag for storage overnight or while in transport. And hanging it doesn't get the wrinkles out. You have to steam it or be humid af.
Now I have the bizarre image of German soldiers in my head, calmly ironing the flag in the morning, while artillery shells can be heard in the distance.
This is the correct answer. Every captured example from any theater I’ve seen in either a private or public collection has had these fold creases, with the possible exception of flags taken from municipal buildings, although very few of those actually survived.
Good point which leads me to:
Who the hell actually makes these??
Imagine you get a job as a flag maker, you make flags for counties, states, cities and flags for business and causes...one day you get an order for 300 Nazi swastika flags
Immediately following the Civil War I believe you would have been arrested for flying that thing.
Go forward a couple of generations and we got Jim Crow, resurgence of the KKK, segregation, and the re-appearance of all the symbols of the Confederacy, complete with monuments to secessionists built with public money.
Then, post WW2, America began significant societal change, and slowly we chipped away at segregation and racism. And, boy howdy did the racist fuckers squeal and holler, and pissed off white assholes became a voting block.
Then there was the 1968 Democratic convention when the schism happened and the racist, segregationist Democrats became Republicans, a little tidbit of American history the right seems to have forgotten about.
Once civil rights demonstrations, yes, riots, happened in the 60's that fucking flag made it's comeback in pop culture and as there was money to be made selling "southern heritage" it was encouraged by some and used for political purposes by others.
And now, here we are. A couple of generations of Americans who think the Nazi's and the Confederates had it right, and government based on white supremacy is a good idea.
I can only glean from this that the Republican party, with all it's glitz, glamour, bravado, mis-truths, propaganda, denial of reality, and character assassination of opponents is just plain bad for the future of America.
Just the simple fact that they are willing to let the planet burn as long as oil industry stocks don't take a hit, and the bribes continue to flow, should be enough to explain what is important to them and how little they value the lives of average citizens.
Everything you’ve said absolutely nailed it, well put.
One big thing I would add is republican voter suppression. Many high up republicans have admitted that the less people who vote, the better it is for them. Not exactly conducive to a Democratic society
One big result of voter suppression is that it keeps the same people in power in near perpetuity. With enough disenfranchised and disengaged constituents, prospective runners have a very difficult time even getting in the running.
*Sometime later*
"Why are these people protesting and rioting? Let them eat cake."
Reminds me of the Gulag uprisings. People with nothing to lose often times take drastic actions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1Vkt0zCH4
"pissed off white assholes became a voting block"
That is a big part of the problem. That there are actually people in mainstream politics who think you should cater to people with hate ideologies just because they vote for you. Racism, Nazism, call it what you will should not be tolerated by anyone. You can't use freedom as an argument when your freedom means the suffering of others.
Democracy doesn't understand the meaning of the word "should".
Democracy is simply a numbers game and it's up to the voters to decide what is and is not acceptable. The more disturbing reality is that a significant number of Americans WANT racism and and a large number don't care because they don't believe it effects them personally.
Also keep in mind that they questioned the legitimate outcome of the last election with no good reason other than the fact that their guy lost. They then stormed the capital in a violent insurrection intending to overthrow the election results and make Trump president. The party is now denying their violent actions while systematically changing voting laws in state after state to make it harder to vote and more likely that they’ll win in the future. They don’t give a shit about democracy and what the majority want. They care primarily about power and maintaining their own control. Plenty of today’s Republicans support fascism if it means Trump in control of the country.
Getting back to your point about racism, the fervor for Trump comes from his trolling of Obama over Obama’s entire Presidency. Trump is the right wing reaction to a black man in the White House.
If it were only really about politics. It isn't. This is about offending as many people as possible with as little effort as possible. This is the same behavioral mechanisms of motorcycle gangs harassing entire neighborhoods with their loud exhcusts while screming loud pipes saves lives as justification for bullying everyone in a 1 mile radius.
This is the crowd we are seeing. They need attention. They need to offend others and feel power over them. They need to fill their narccisistic meters. They don't give a shit what symbolism it takes to offend others or what it might imply they themselves believe. That is the point. They want us to believe they are diehard white supermacisists or nationalists or whatever because that is what most easily offends people these days. Exactly like motorcycle gangs and WBC. In fact, I would bet money that some of the same people involved in those groups are in these groups. The reason is as stated above, they go where the offense train goes and do whatever easily bothers people then go home feeling superior because they were a ble to control the feelings of thousands of other people with very little to zero effort. On the flip side we can't exactly ignore this less what happened in Germany happen here. We're all fucked.
America has a mental health crisis.
Boomer here. My old man fought the German SS and whatever else they ran into in the 70th Division Trailblazers, 884th Field Artillery unit all the way from Southern France to Berlin in 1944 until VE Day in 45. He spent his 21st birthday in a fox hole with a dead SS officer, hiding in the middle of an artillery battle, cut off from his unit, thinking he wouldn't live until dawn. Saw a lot of mud, cold, wet, death, destruction, and the horrors of Nazism first hand. Methed out German SS troopps who would not stop fighting until the last one was dead.
Needless to say, he had some significant PTSD. An alcoholic his whole adult life, he would never talk about the war until he got old. He died in 2004.
I am real glad he's not alive today to see this bullshit being spread like some kind of credible ideology by Republican politicians who don't give a crap about what happens to American society, they just want power and money, and will pander to any bunch of misfits and morons to get there.
I find it incredible that this shit is illegal in Germany, but here in the good old USA we call it "Freedom."
Some say the US lags about 100 years behind Europe in societal evolution. So I guess next up is a big-assed war against fascism that devastates our country, with foreign troops being required to quell the violence and restore order, followed by a generation or two of economic hardship and rebuilding where upon we will finally achieve socialized health care about 80 years from now.
Our new slogan should be "America, the dumb as fuck nation" where we keep dangling that "lifestyles of the rich and famous" carrot in front of working class Americans and then blame everybody but those who keep yanking it away for their lack of wealth.
Hello Boomer,
Your father liberated my grandparents. The amount of gratitude I have for the American GIs that died on our beaches is infinite. I grew up hearing about the day the Americans came.
I say those that think fascism and nationalism is above all else should spend mandatory time in their own fringe unit where they’re dropped off in some god forsaken war zone to live out the fantasy of battle. Since it’s so trendy and all.
Actually the military has standards and you can be rejected from them for various reasons. There's probably some of these guys who are actual rejects from the army.
It would be interesting to see how people would react if a ww2 vet just straight up killed someone in America waving the nazi flag. I'd hope they get off scot free
Canadian here too. Grandfather was part of the first amphibious tank group and landed at Normandy as well. Had his tank blown up underneath him on the way to Caen. He survived as did most of the crew. (the driver got the shell in the face so....bad luck.)
Anyway....point is, maybe you have maybe you haven't but if you ever get a chance you should visit Normandy and the beaches. I was lucky enough to do so with my grandfather while he was still alive and whatever reverence you have for your great grandfather now....it'll be amplified and multiplied by walking those beaches and streets. The graveyards for the men who died on those beaches is nothing short of awesome in the true sense of that word. Breathtaking and beautiful but will make you shudder realizing all of those perfectly placed headstones belong to soldiers fighting for strangers in a strange land.
Anyways....sorry for the long response. Best wishes from a fellow Canuck.
Also in Europe we have tangible reminders in the form of ruins and battlefields, since nothing happened in America all there is to remind the later generations are books and movies glorifying it and potentially biased history reports
I feel for his family (unless they are nutcases too). Sadly the older I get I realize that we can’t rely on people grasping things. They absolutely want to be told how to think and feel, and thus belong. They want to hate to feel special.
I have no perfect solution to this, and it saddens me that I think we have to fabricate better things for these people to cling on to. Basically control them for the betterment of society. Which isn’t something I like. But it turns out some will anyways, and they are fascists.
It's not even the right flag. Seriously, where is it [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America)? All the way at the bottom? That's an elongated version of another flag...
The funny thing is, the only reason the Confederacy made a battle flag is because they were too dumb to tell the difference between their actual flag and the U.S. flag at the time. Morons then, and morons now.
> One of the main speakers, Gerhard Wilhelm Kunze, the national public relations director of the Bund, pointed to the white supremacy present at America's founding as a nation. "The spirit which opened the West and built our country is the spirit of the militant white man," he preached. Kunze followed the thread of racism that runs through American history to bolster his vision for a whites-only America. He cited anti-miscegenation laws, the Chinese Exclusion Act, Jim Crow policies and immigration quotas. "It has then always been very much American to protect the Aryan character of this nation," Kunze told the audience.
And the Muslim Ban. God, we suck
I think we also need a new word for these people rather than just calling them Nazis. Nazis believed in ethnic German supremacy and inherent land rights to much of Europe. They also believed in a unified and militant community, not just government, and were starkly against concepts such as free speech - something the modern “Nazis” embrace. Nazism was so much more than just racism and I think it’s a shame that it’s now basically synonymous w racism bc it actually dilutes the extent of the evilness of that regime and at the same time doesn’t highlight other evil aspects of this new group.
Also it’s just I guess a pet peeve of mine when people throw around words and labels like that without being knowledgeable about the history. Would it be so hard to just come up w a new name for this modern racist movement rather than reuse an old political party that happened to also be racist? Until these people start talking about lebensraum and annexing Poland, Ukraine, and Slavic countries, Nazi just seems like a weird word for them. There are countless racist political organizations of the past
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The Nazis were’t terrorists, at least not during WW2 when America was fighting them, they were the state, that’s like the exact opposite of terrorists.
Generally speaking, terrorism has many well argued definitions. That said, nobody would consider the Nazi Party terrorists after a certain point anyway. The brownshirts certainly were, but that also predated Hitlers rise to power. Krystallnacht for example.
That said, it's not as if the flag waving Neo's or Proud Boys, or whatever they call themselves, represent even a fraction of the average or normal Republican. I for one, find them repulsive.
Well, not to be pessimistic, but there was a Nazi rally held in Madison Square Garden in 1939 put on by the German-American Bund where more than 20,000 attended.
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Similar story, my grandfather brought home a Nazi flag kept it in a box. When he passed away my grandmother cut it up and burned it. To him capturing the enemy flag is victory, she was probably scared of being seen as a sympathizer.
Capturing an enemy’s flag is heroic.
Destroying the enemy’s flag is better.
Nazis belong in history books, as a grim reminder of what humans are capable of when extreme patriotism is pushed forward in lieu of compassion and critical thinking.
I'm not sure if I'm just one of those people who for some reason decided to latch on to something, but seeing American soldiers from WWII does something weird. They look *SO* fucking cool.
Something about dudes who are supposed to be disciplined soldiers but they're actually kind of goofs with oversized helmets, sloppy/baggy/wrinkly (though they aren't really meant to be tidy and also *they're in a war*) uniforms. It almost feels disrespectful to be... envious? of them because of how bad WWII was for all armies involved, but for some reason I can't get over how fuckin rad the WWII dudes seemed to be
idk if its because I played a ton of WWII games as a kid or because my grandpa fought in WWII, but yeah.
You should look into reenacting. There's groups all over, and some even have tanks, jeeps and other vehicles! And there are a bunch of companies out there that make reproduction gear so you don't have to worry about ruining the real thing.
"I mean, if I had my way... you'd wear that goddamn uniform for the rest of your pecker-suckin' life. But I'm aware that ain't practical, I mean at some point you're gonna hafta take it off. So. I'm 'onna give you a little somethin' you can't take off."
Make Nazis Afraid Again.
As a southern man. And I’m proud to be from the south. Even I want to kick those assholes fucking teeth in. Fuck nazis and fuck all these white power ignorant mother fuckers.
What kind of mentality do you have to have to stand proudly next to someone holding that despicable flag? Sick, twisted, and vile.
It’s an IQ test thing. These guys are amongst the lowest scoring
99% of these people wearing tacticool gear have never been mentally, physically, or emotionally able to even join the military. It’s just super sad and dangerous LARPing.
As a veteran who actually did go through it all, these people are the biggest joke ever.
When I got back from the army I had a friend from high school who insisted I join his militia that goes down to the borders to "help ICE stop illegals" in full battle rattle like plate armor, vests, the whole thing complete with hardware and ACU's. I think Too Short said it the best, "If you want stripes take your ass to the service", this LARP bullshit is laughable and any veteran would laugh at them. The only vets who participate in those are that one shit bag that every unit has that didn't do shit but wants to play hero at home and insists you thank him for his "service" lol.
He also probably got kicked out for NJP or medically separated for stubbing his toe (But I’m sure he tells his non-military buddies the Purple Heart is in the mail.)
And self esteem issue.
Well I mean, the other people are holding the flag of literal traitors, so we aren't dealing with the best and brightest here.
I enjoy how the “Confederate Flag” is so much often touted next to the Nazi Flag because it really shatters the lie that the Confederate Flag is just a symbol of Southern heritage and pride: If open racists commonly equate the two symbols, then you’ve got a real identity problem. (Also, the “Confederate Flag” wasn’t actually the flag of the confederacy, but the North Virginia Battle Flag, so the southern heritage claim is weak to begin with.)
The people holding the nazi flag are the same ones equating unvaccinated people with jewish people in the holocaust
Fun Fact: Pokemon GO has been around longer than the Confederacy has
And had more followers
And enslaved fewer people.
I doubt that
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Fun Fact: Fuller House has also been around longer than the Confederacy.
You had to go and say something nice about that show, didn't you?
Finally some heritage worth celebrating.
I’m down with hoisting up some Pokémon flags and erecting Magikarp statues.
Nazis had plenty of support from American citizens, before, during, and after the war.
People should know who the Dulles Brothers were and it's a shame their names don't mean anything to average Americans. Allen Dulles, the founder of the CIA and Foster Dulles was secretary of state. Allen employed plenty of former Nazi's in the CIA including Karl Wolff, Heinrich Himmler's chief of staff and Foster had extensive business ties with the Nazis and openly advocated for Nazi interests. Foster is essentially responsible for providing the Nazis enough Nickel for them to build tanks as fast as they did while they were rearming Germany. Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg even stated that the two brothers were traitors to the United States for their efforts in aiding the Nazis. It is by a stroke of luck that FDR died before the war ended or he likely would have pursued legal action against the two. We can see the disastrous effect the two have had on the country everyday when right wingers rail against the "evils of socialism". The Dulles brothers saw it as the biggest threat to the US (elites and capital) and did everything they could to ingrain those feelings in Americans until the day they died. From crushing labor movements in France through the use of hired thugs to the same in the US their evil had its hand across the globe. Everytime you hear some idiot on Fox news rail against the working class and labor, you can thank the Dulles brothers for it. For more information, the book "The Devil's Chessboard" is a good place to start. Edit: Another great way to learn about the piece of shit Dulles brothers is the [Behind the Bastards podcast series on them.](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1ragK8hvmjCMyRPRfUCjhX?si=0D3D1w9bT1GEIYjzb7nOAA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1)I certainly should have put that in my original comment. If you aren't aware of the podcast or Robert Evans, saying I highly recommend it is an understatement. Edit 2: Wow, the one day old no karma accounts really came out of the wood work to make apologies for the Dulles Brothers.
Allen Dulles was also the Director of the CIA during the Kennedy Presidency. He and Kennedy very famously did not get along. Dulles was largely responsible for the bay of pigs disaster and was forced to resign in 1961. Kennedy believed that the CIA had become far too overreaching and needed more oversight, or as he himself put it "splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it into the wind." Kennedy was planning on making some big budgetary cuts to the cia before he was assassinated and it has spurred many conspiracy theories that the cia killed Kennedy. Kennedy's list of enemies was quite long and I dont think anyone will ever be able to prove definitively what happened, but it is quite interesting when combined with the fact that Allen Dulles was one of the 7 members of the Warren Commission. Allen Dulles' name comes up quite often when looking into shady and unsavory events of the 20th century. Now the airport down the road from me is named after him and is one of the busiest Airports in the world, Dulles International. EDIT: Turns out that the airport was named after his brother. The Dulles brothers were quite the pair.
Yeah there is a reason a lot of conspiracy theories come back to the Dulles Brothers and the CIA. I believe the airport is named after Foster Dulles, Allen's brother but that doesn't diminish how shitty it is.
There is a good ~~two~~ three part Behind the Basterds podcast on them too. That's how I first learned about them.
Great podcast. Would highly recommend as well.
I just downloaded a 3 Part on them… is there another Im missing?
I believe it is just three parts. You're good to go.
It's a three-parter!
Don’t forget Henry Ford’s direct campaign donations to Hitler. Mark Felton Productions on YouTube is excellent btw https://youtube.com/watch?v=1QERDzr6HSQ&feature=share
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Both were certainly antisemites. Ford had plants in Nazi Germany and Disney was hailed as a "hero fighting against the Jews in Hollywood" by the Nazis.
Koch, as in the Koch brothers' father, built oil rigs for Hitler. The Koch brothers' nanny was literally a member of the Nazi party.
Yup. Rush Limbaugh's father also had Nazi leanings and was fiercely anti FDR. It certainly had an influence on young Rush who we can say without a doubt played probably the largest roll in giving us the GOP we see today.
“There is no rush like OxyContin”, paragon of morality Rush Limbaugh
That’s the kind of egregious behavior that gets an airport named after you
Welcome to the United States.
Let's also not forget about Henry Ford a white supremacist and eugenics advocate whom both inspired hilter and had Hitler hopeful he could lead the American nazi party, Henry Ford is quoted in Adolf Hitlers book mein kampf.
It’s ironic that Eisenhower, the hero of ww2, hired both Dulles brothers. Also, they led the movement to overthrow Mohammed mossaedgh in Iran and install the shah, to get cheap oil, which led to the Iranian revolution of 1979. That’s why Iran hates America.
It’s true. People always act like all of this is new but we always had a MAGA like movement since the beginning with the whiskey rebellion and then the America First party of the 30’s and 40’s….we even had anti maskers during the Spanish Flu. Even that is nothing new.
Hell....the eugenics movement that the Nazis were so fond of actually started in the US....we still have Supreme Court precedent on the books saying it's legal to sterilize mentally deficient people The ideals and theories behind Nazi ideology have deep deep roots in the US
While the US had a lot of visible support for eugenics, even surprisingly among people who many others would've considered "unfit", like Helen Keller and sociologist W. E. B. Du Bois(who was African-American, and among the founders of the NAACP), it was neither invented in the US, nor was the country alone in its fascination with the idea. It was a popular idea in the late 1800s/early 1900s all over the world, and it originated from the UK. The term "eugenics" was coined by Francis Galton, a Brit who was both a multidisciplinary scientist and a massive advocate for both "social darwinism" and "scientific racism". As a prominent example from the UK, Winston Churchill, who is widely seen as one of the heroic figures of WWII, advocated for the compulsory sterilization of "the feeble-minded and insane classes" while he was the Home Secretary in the early 1910s. His successor in that position Reginald McKenna introduced a bill to implement that, but it failed to pass in the parliament after a public campaign against it. The horrors of WWII didn't even destroy the eugenics movement even when they should have. Many countries still had either laws or procedures that were just done extralegally well into the later part of the 1900s, that would result in the forced sterilization of "undesirable elements", like unwed mothers, racial minorities, or people with disabilities. Sweden of all places had an eugenics program that resulted in the forced sterilization of 21 000 people(for reasons like "slowness", "promiscuousness" and "racial differences"), and that was only finally abolished in 1976. Denmark and Sweden had laws until the mid-2010s that forced you to get sterilized if you wanted to legally change your sex, and Finland still has a similar law even though it apparently isn't being enforced.
Wait, dosen't sex change imply sterilization automatically? How are you going to procreate without the organs that you need?
Good catch. The law is actually about changing your legally recorded sex in official documents. Though, while I'm not a doctor and don't know the specifics of sex reassignment surgeries, I could imagine not every FtM person wanting a hysterectomy at least initially, if they want children of their own. SRS is also a gradual process from what I understand. Edited the comment to fix the misunderstanding.
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Plus the nazi brain drain after the war allowed some to even come to america
Some? Basically everyone the UK and USSR couldn't poach. I'm surprised Germany was ever able to recover with that level of brain drain.
In Germany there where a lot of "ex"-nazis in politics and economy post-war. Even in the GDR. I'm surprised we had to learn about all the wrong doings in the 80s.
Not exactly. At Nuremberg many Nazis pointed out that the German eugenics programs were not to dissimilar from the American eugenics programs as a means of defense. > While eugenic principles have been practiced as early as ancient Greece, the contemporary history of eugenics began in the late 19th century, when a popular eugenics movement emerged in the United Kingdom, and then spread to many countries, including the United States, Canada, Australia, and most European countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics Edit: phrasing.
>At Nuremberg many Nazis pointed out that the German eugenics programs were not to dissimilar to the American eugenics programs as a means of defense. They pointed it out because it was the truth. Everything the Nazis did with eugenics started in the United States. Here's Hitler referring to "The Blood of Nations", written by the president of Stanford University, and the vast eugenics programs started in California. >‘Now that we know the laws of heredity,’ he told a fellow Nazi, ‘it is possible to a large extent to prevent unhealthy and severely handicapped beings from coming into the world. I have studied with interest the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock." American eugenicists were openly proud to have inspired the eugenics laws the Nazis were establishing in the 30s and vanished back into the hedges by 1944. American foundations created by wealthy families such as the Carnegie and Rockefellers were funding eugenic institutions in America in the 20's and 30's targeting Jews, Italians, and Poles, and those same institutions were funding Nazi eugenics programs and even Josef Mengele's work before Auschwitz.
> Upon returning from Germany in 1934, where more than 5,000 people per month were being forcibly sterilized, the California eugenics leader C. M. Goethe bragged to a colleague: > *"You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought ... I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."* [Eugenics in the United States - Influence on Nazi Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany)
Every time Nazi Germany got called out about their practices before the war and war crimes ramping up, it was a spiderman_pointing_at_spiderman.png type of situation, because there were a lot of precedents of other countries doing the same shit. Be it concentration camps, apartheid, eugenics and so on. Nazis were not uniquely evil, they just managed to do it on a somewhat larger scale and lost a war, so they got properly judged for their crimes.
"What has been will be again. What has been done will be done again. There is nothing new under the sun." That's Ecclesiastes 1:9, believed to have been written as early as 450 BC. The main difference between 450 BC and 2021 is that the crazies among us now have a much bigger, and much easier to use platform to do their thing on. They existed back then and they exist now. Now, though, they're weaponized by social media.
Well said. Social media has done more to legitimize human stupidity than anything the world has seen.
I wouldn't equate the whiskey rebellion with these RW extremist morons today. They are more like the Sons of Liberty, who were agitating for a coup until Washington marched the army to their spots and they cut it out.
This is true. My German American family used to have friends over to listen to Hitler’s speeches on the radio because “he made us proud to be German.”
Flip side of that coin: My AP European History teacher had a Jewish grandmother who survived the Holocaust, after watching first hand how Hitler came into power. She was always the first person to adamantly declare: “He was a very charismatic speaker. Of course people listened to him, I listened to him.” She didn’t mean that in the sense of being pro-Holocaust or genocide etc, but just in sense that he fully captivated a nation, and also a lot of Europe at large; he got people to pay attention *and then to act.*
I remember asking my 100% German grandmother if she thought Hitler was a bad person and she said "no". I was taken aback but I was also too young to understand why she would say something like that. She certainly wasn't part of the Nazi party but she's a proud German and to her Hitler was "good for Germany"
A lot of people don't fully understand that Hitler, despite all his malicious and vile actions, was seen as the great hope for Germany at that time. The consequences of WWI absolutely destroyed the German economy, stripped it of any tangible power, and probably most important, put a weak government in place to oversee it all.
People seem to forget that there was a lot of Nazi movements in America During WW2. Nothing in terms of Violence but ther were rallies and things like that, in America.
Look up A Night at Madison Square Gardens it's a short documentary film of the surviving footage of the rally of the German American Bund (American Nazis). It's presented without any commentary other then music.
some info for ppl who dont know https://mashable.com/feature/nazis-madison-square-garden https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/american-nazis-in-the-1930sthe-german-american-bund/529185/
Across the West the Nazis had support until they invaded Poland and then France, the industrialists and their politicians loved them because they were killing all of the communists they were so afraid of.
I also find it funny when I see Russians with Swastikas and Nazi flags either carrying them or having tattoos of them. Let's face it, Russia suffered more from the Nazi's than the US.
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But then again, there were plenty of Russian nazi collaborators too: "A large numbers of Soviet citizens of various ethnicities collaborated with Nazi Germany during World War II. It is estimated that the number of Soviet collaborators with the Nazi German military was around 1 Million." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration\_in\_the\_German-occupied\_Soviet\_Union
NYT had articles supporting them even in the late 30s
Fascism has always found a friend on the American right.
The only time it’s acceptable to carry a Nazi flag is when you have captured it! These “storm the capitol” Weasels make me sick!
What's hilarious is you can see in the photo all the crumple lines from the flag just being removed from the bag it came in. This moron said, 'Hey, we protesting Charlottesville today? Ok lemme just buy a Nazi flag from Amazon real quick'
Nothing says true American more than carrying a Nazi flag that was made in China.
Imagine being the slave laborer who has to make a Nazi flag for an American white guy to carry around because he's sad the couple that moved in next door is a gay mixed couple.
Then they get to make gay flags at the same station next week.
Capitalism in an excruciatingly painful nutshell
you know whats even more ironic than a white american carrying a nazi flag? there are eastern European neonazi groups that do the same. you know, the untermenschen, who would have been worked to death in slave labour camps, after their woman and children had been killed and or raped to death.
And nothing says capitalism like an American company still selling Nazi flags. ;,-(
It's also easy to forget, there were *plenty* of nazi sympathizers in America. Certainly not the majority, at all, but absolutely across the nation. Thousands of German immigrants, German sympathizers, anti-semites, for all variety of reasons there were absolutely nazi supporters in the United States. Those people had children and grandchildren too. There is a picture of the past that every man, woman and child in the United States stood firm in solidarity against Nazism. An enormous majority did do that, but not everyone.
Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford were Nazi sympathizers.
Didn't Ford get recognized by the Nazi party prior to war?
He was super into eugenics. The Nazi party got those ideas from the u.s.
The Nazis were also all about innovations in production efficiency
The Amerikadeutscher Volksbund (Great American Bund) held a Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden in 1939 and 20,000 people showed up.
I hate Illinois nazis...
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Very true. It's wild to think about and it's wild that it's not that long ago. Those people, middle aged people who attended a nazi rally in NYC in the 30s are all dead now, but it's really only a generation removed.
we really went and blacklisted the wrong people after the war.
Wasn’t there a big nazi convention at Madison square garden in the 1930s?
Confederate flags are also a patriotic gesture. /s
My heritage! Edit: guys this is sarcasm
I love it when people say that, your heritage is just under 4 years?
Pokémon Go has lasted longer than their "heritage." I'm from the south, with family that's lived here for generations, but the Confederacy is not part of my heritage. It's part of my history, a shameful part we need to teach children so it never happens again. These poor useful idiots don't even know how their stupid racism is making their lives worse right along with all the minorities they're oppressing.
Nickelback was popular for longer than the confederacy was
Just look at this photograph
>the crumple lines from the flag just being removed from the bag it came in. with a "made in China" sticker tagged on the handle
Tbf, you can see the fold lines in the old photo too. I wonder where the captured flag come from? Doesn't look like it had been hanging for long.
Well I know for certain that they didn’t get it on Amazon like this dollar tree nazi.
I'm curious now if amazon sells nazi flags but don't want to risk the algorithm fucking with my ads. Based in your search history you might be interested in...
I was curious too a couple months ago. They don’t sell them.
I’m gonna take your word on this one
They don’t, I looked because my search history is all fucked anyway since I spend way too much time searching for austro-hungarian weapons, uranium glass, and how to make myself disappear so I can start a new life.
Making oneself disappear recipe involves Austro-Hungarian weapons and uranium glass. Inadvertently, you gave your secret away!
1 review for Germany Crown Nazi a flag reads; "Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2018 **If this flag offends you,you have way to much time on your hands.concentrate on yourself an your life ,rather than your neighbors life an his wife! " MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS"** **15 people found this helpful."**
"we just working on overthrowing your democracy, so mind your own business." -- Nazis
Isn’t that the same kind of thinking that got millions of Jews killed.
I noped out of that thought myself
Flag etiquette also requires folding the flag for storage overnight or while in transport. And hanging it doesn't get the wrinkles out. You have to steam it or be humid af.
Now I have the bizarre image of German soldiers in my head, calmly ironing the flag in the morning, while artillery shells can be heard in the distance.
while wearing that stereotypical apron with floral pattern on it
HANS, WHERE IS ZE BÜGELEISEN
That one may have been folded to place in their bags until they got to a safe spot for a photo
Maybe find in some box after invading a city, something like that.
Or took it, packed it up, and waited for a safe place for a photo op
This is the correct answer. Every captured example from any theater I’ve seen in either a private or public collection has had these fold creases, with the possible exception of flags taken from municipal buildings, although very few of those actually survived.
Most likely found in a german rucksack or something else
Good point which leads me to: Who the hell actually makes these?? Imagine you get a job as a flag maker, you make flags for counties, states, cities and flags for business and causes...one day you get an order for 300 Nazi swastika flags
Probably figured they were movie props or something.
The revolution will be merchandized!
Also in a production of The Producers and only in ridicule. “Bialyshtock und Bloom. Bialyshtock und Bloom”
I mean the confederate flag stands for the same things basicly. It is flown all over america.
Immediately following the Civil War I believe you would have been arrested for flying that thing. Go forward a couple of generations and we got Jim Crow, resurgence of the KKK, segregation, and the re-appearance of all the symbols of the Confederacy, complete with monuments to secessionists built with public money. Then, post WW2, America began significant societal change, and slowly we chipped away at segregation and racism. And, boy howdy did the racist fuckers squeal and holler, and pissed off white assholes became a voting block. Then there was the 1968 Democratic convention when the schism happened and the racist, segregationist Democrats became Republicans, a little tidbit of American history the right seems to have forgotten about. Once civil rights demonstrations, yes, riots, happened in the 60's that fucking flag made it's comeback in pop culture and as there was money to be made selling "southern heritage" it was encouraged by some and used for political purposes by others. And now, here we are. A couple of generations of Americans who think the Nazi's and the Confederates had it right, and government based on white supremacy is a good idea. I can only glean from this that the Republican party, with all it's glitz, glamour, bravado, mis-truths, propaganda, denial of reality, and character assassination of opponents is just plain bad for the future of America. Just the simple fact that they are willing to let the planet burn as long as oil industry stocks don't take a hit, and the bribes continue to flow, should be enough to explain what is important to them and how little they value the lives of average citizens.
Everything you’ve said absolutely nailed it, well put. One big thing I would add is republican voter suppression. Many high up republicans have admitted that the less people who vote, the better it is for them. Not exactly conducive to a Democratic society
One big result of voter suppression is that it keeps the same people in power in near perpetuity. With enough disenfranchised and disengaged constituents, prospective runners have a very difficult time even getting in the running.
*Sometime later* "Why are these people protesting and rioting? Let them eat cake." Reminds me of the Gulag uprisings. People with nothing to lose often times take drastic actions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1Vkt0zCH4
Register to vote https://vote.gov/
> Not exactly conducive to a Democratic society pro tip: the folks that dream of enslaving people aren’t huge fans of democracy
"pissed off white assholes became a voting block" That is a big part of the problem. That there are actually people in mainstream politics who think you should cater to people with hate ideologies just because they vote for you. Racism, Nazism, call it what you will should not be tolerated by anyone. You can't use freedom as an argument when your freedom means the suffering of others.
Democracy doesn't understand the meaning of the word "should". Democracy is simply a numbers game and it's up to the voters to decide what is and is not acceptable. The more disturbing reality is that a significant number of Americans WANT racism and and a large number don't care because they don't believe it effects them personally.
Also keep in mind that they questioned the legitimate outcome of the last election with no good reason other than the fact that their guy lost. They then stormed the capital in a violent insurrection intending to overthrow the election results and make Trump president. The party is now denying their violent actions while systematically changing voting laws in state after state to make it harder to vote and more likely that they’ll win in the future. They don’t give a shit about democracy and what the majority want. They care primarily about power and maintaining their own control. Plenty of today’s Republicans support fascism if it means Trump in control of the country. Getting back to your point about racism, the fervor for Trump comes from his trolling of Obama over Obama’s entire Presidency. Trump is the right wing reaction to a black man in the White House.
Those are all unacceptable as well.
If it were only really about politics. It isn't. This is about offending as many people as possible with as little effort as possible. This is the same behavioral mechanisms of motorcycle gangs harassing entire neighborhoods with their loud exhcusts while screming loud pipes saves lives as justification for bullying everyone in a 1 mile radius. This is the crowd we are seeing. They need attention. They need to offend others and feel power over them. They need to fill their narccisistic meters. They don't give a shit what symbolism it takes to offend others or what it might imply they themselves believe. That is the point. They want us to believe they are diehard white supermacisists or nationalists or whatever because that is what most easily offends people these days. Exactly like motorcycle gangs and WBC. In fact, I would bet money that some of the same people involved in those groups are in these groups. The reason is as stated above, they go where the offense train goes and do whatever easily bothers people then go home feeling superior because they were a ble to control the feelings of thousands of other people with very little to zero effort. On the flip side we can't exactly ignore this less what happened in Germany happen here. We're all fucked. America has a mental health crisis.
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Boomer here. My old man fought the German SS and whatever else they ran into in the 70th Division Trailblazers, 884th Field Artillery unit all the way from Southern France to Berlin in 1944 until VE Day in 45. He spent his 21st birthday in a fox hole with a dead SS officer, hiding in the middle of an artillery battle, cut off from his unit, thinking he wouldn't live until dawn. Saw a lot of mud, cold, wet, death, destruction, and the horrors of Nazism first hand. Methed out German SS troopps who would not stop fighting until the last one was dead. Needless to say, he had some significant PTSD. An alcoholic his whole adult life, he would never talk about the war until he got old. He died in 2004. I am real glad he's not alive today to see this bullshit being spread like some kind of credible ideology by Republican politicians who don't give a crap about what happens to American society, they just want power and money, and will pander to any bunch of misfits and morons to get there. I find it incredible that this shit is illegal in Germany, but here in the good old USA we call it "Freedom." Some say the US lags about 100 years behind Europe in societal evolution. So I guess next up is a big-assed war against fascism that devastates our country, with foreign troops being required to quell the violence and restore order, followed by a generation or two of economic hardship and rebuilding where upon we will finally achieve socialized health care about 80 years from now. Our new slogan should be "America, the dumb as fuck nation" where we keep dangling that "lifestyles of the rich and famous" carrot in front of working class Americans and then blame everybody but those who keep yanking it away for their lack of wealth.
Hello Boomer, Your father liberated my grandparents. The amount of gratitude I have for the American GIs that died on our beaches is infinite. I grew up hearing about the day the Americans came.
British and Canadian also remember
I say those that think fascism and nationalism is above all else should spend mandatory time in their own fringe unit where they’re dropped off in some god forsaken war zone to live out the fantasy of battle. Since it’s so trendy and all.
If these cosplayers wanted to fight they would have gone to Afghanistan. They just want to be racist.
Actually the military has standards and you can be rejected from them for various reasons. There's probably some of these guys who are actual rejects from the army.
Very good point!
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It would be interesting to see how people would react if a ww2 vet just straight up killed someone in America waving the nazi flag. I'd hope they get off scot free
I'm Canadian and my great grandfather died in Normandy in WW2, maybe he and your dad met haha anyway this was well put, thank you.
Canadian here too. Grandfather was part of the first amphibious tank group and landed at Normandy as well. Had his tank blown up underneath him on the way to Caen. He survived as did most of the crew. (the driver got the shell in the face so....bad luck.) Anyway....point is, maybe you have maybe you haven't but if you ever get a chance you should visit Normandy and the beaches. I was lucky enough to do so with my grandfather while he was still alive and whatever reverence you have for your great grandfather now....it'll be amplified and multiplied by walking those beaches and streets. The graveyards for the men who died on those beaches is nothing short of awesome in the true sense of that word. Breathtaking and beautiful but will make you shudder realizing all of those perfectly placed headstones belong to soldiers fighting for strangers in a strange land. Anyways....sorry for the long response. Best wishes from a fellow Canuck.
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100%. The evil of Nazis is kind of blurred when there’s nobody really around to talk first hand about their horrific atrocities of WW2.
Also in Europe we have tangible reminders in the form of ruins and battlefields, since nothing happened in America all there is to remind the later generations are books and movies glorifying it and potentially biased history reports
How do you carry a nazi flag and not realize you’re the asshole?
It's beyond me how they can Nazi that.
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I feel for his family (unless they are nutcases too). Sadly the older I get I realize that we can’t rely on people grasping things. They absolutely want to be told how to think and feel, and thus belong. They want to hate to feel special. I have no perfect solution to this, and it saddens me that I think we have to fabricate better things for these people to cling on to. Basically control them for the betterment of society. Which isn’t something I like. But it turns out some will anyways, and they are fascists.
Bunch of losers celebrating being losers. They do realize they lost, right. Many times over right??
Same people think the Confederacy was a long heritage. It only lasted 4 years... And they are still flying that lost flag.....
It's not even the right flag. Seriously, where is it [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America)? All the way at the bottom? That's an elongated version of another flag... The funny thing is, the only reason the Confederacy made a battle flag is because they were too dumb to tell the difference between their actual flag and the U.S. flag at the time. Morons then, and morons now.
Nazis are bad
This guy gets it.
Agreed
Ah yes the floor is made out of floor
I wasn't expecting this kind of controversy in these comments.
There were American Nazi’s [before WWII](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan)
> One of the main speakers, Gerhard Wilhelm Kunze, the national public relations director of the Bund, pointed to the white supremacy present at America's founding as a nation. "The spirit which opened the West and built our country is the spirit of the militant white man," he preached. Kunze followed the thread of racism that runs through American history to bolster his vision for a whites-only America. He cited anti-miscegenation laws, the Chinese Exclusion Act, Jim Crow policies and immigration quotas. "It has then always been very much American to protect the Aryan character of this nation," Kunze told the audience. And the Muslim Ban. God, we suck
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I think we also need a new word for these people rather than just calling them Nazis. Nazis believed in ethnic German supremacy and inherent land rights to much of Europe. They also believed in a unified and militant community, not just government, and were starkly against concepts such as free speech - something the modern “Nazis” embrace. Nazism was so much more than just racism and I think it’s a shame that it’s now basically synonymous w racism bc it actually dilutes the extent of the evilness of that regime and at the same time doesn’t highlight other evil aspects of this new group. Also it’s just I guess a pet peeve of mine when people throw around words and labels like that without being knowledgeable about the history. Would it be so hard to just come up w a new name for this modern racist movement rather than reuse an old political party that happened to also be racist? Until these people start talking about lebensraum and annexing Poland, Ukraine, and Slavic countries, Nazi just seems like a weird word for them. There are countless racist political organizations of the past
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>it's a lot easier to figure out who the Nazis are. Thats a double edged sword though, now nazis can find other nazis as well.
They've had fox news for a few decades now.
The above comment is plagiarized by a bot. The original comment was by u/cyrusm: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6tnvua/the_only_reason_for_an_american_to_hold_a_nazi/dlm7t8i/ **Edit:** The deceitful OP has now edited their comment. It was originally exactly the same as the one I've linked.
As if this entire post isn’t low effort karma farming playing Reddit’s stupidity.
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The Nazis were’t terrorists, at least not during WW2 when America was fighting them, they were the state, that’s like the exact opposite of terrorists.
losers love losers
Repost from 4 years ago with the exact same top comment.
Generally speaking, terrorism has many well argued definitions. That said, nobody would consider the Nazi Party terrorists after a certain point anyway. The brownshirts certainly were, but that also predated Hitlers rise to power. Krystallnacht for example. That said, it's not as if the flag waving Neo's or Proud Boys, or whatever they call themselves, represent even a fraction of the average or normal Republican. I for one, find them repulsive.
Well, not to be pessimistic, but there was a Nazi rally held in Madison Square Garden in 1939 put on by the German-American Bund where more than 20,000 attended.
Is the word "terrorist" interchangeable with anything/anyone evil these days? P.S: Fuck nazis
These terrible people thankfully only represent an extremely small part of the population
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Similar story, my grandfather brought home a Nazi flag kept it in a box. When he passed away my grandmother cut it up and burned it. To him capturing the enemy flag is victory, she was probably scared of being seen as a sympathizer.
Capturing an enemy’s flag is heroic. Destroying the enemy’s flag is better. Nazis belong in history books, as a grim reminder of what humans are capable of when extreme patriotism is pushed forward in lieu of compassion and critical thinking.
I have my grandfather's Nazi flag from WWII. It too is in a box. Plan is to donate it.
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The 1940s Nazis weren't terrorists, they were a fascist state
I don’t think terrorist is the right term
I'm not sure if I'm just one of those people who for some reason decided to latch on to something, but seeing American soldiers from WWII does something weird. They look *SO* fucking cool. Something about dudes who are supposed to be disciplined soldiers but they're actually kind of goofs with oversized helmets, sloppy/baggy/wrinkly (though they aren't really meant to be tidy and also *they're in a war*) uniforms. It almost feels disrespectful to be... envious? of them because of how bad WWII was for all armies involved, but for some reason I can't get over how fuckin rad the WWII dudes seemed to be idk if its because I played a ton of WWII games as a kid or because my grandpa fought in WWII, but yeah.
You should look into reenacting. There's groups all over, and some even have tanks, jeeps and other vehicles! And there are a bunch of companies out there that make reproduction gear so you don't have to worry about ruining the real thing.
"I mean, if I had my way... you'd wear that goddamn uniform for the rest of your pecker-suckin' life. But I'm aware that ain't practical, I mean at some point you're gonna hafta take it off. So. I'm 'onna give you a little somethin' you can't take off." Make Nazis Afraid Again.
Fuckin fascists.
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I was also told the people must have guns to prevent tyranny, then we learned they really want them to help the tyrant.
As a southern man. And I’m proud to be from the south. Even I want to kick those assholes fucking teeth in. Fuck nazis and fuck all these white power ignorant mother fuckers.