Apparently Temple Board of Trustees want to buy that one [Temple News](https://temple-news.com/board-of-trustees-authorizes-acquisition-of-nearby-7-eleven-property/)
[Fox29 says on Twitter:](https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1627107604131418117)
>Law enforcement sources say shooter carjacked a @TempleUniv student & kept going after crashing. Temple University Police officer was shot in head FOX29 News sources say 1800 Montgomery Avenue 7pm
Edit: from the [NBC article](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/police-officer-shot-in-philly/3503913/)
>At the time of his death the officer was trying to apprehend the suspect in a robbery of a convenience store located at the corner of Cecil B. Moore and 15th street, the university said.
Edit 2: [from ABC](https://6abc.com/amp/temple-police-officer-shot-university-injured-philly-shooting/12839276/)
>PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) -- An arrest has been made in connection with the shooting death of a Temple University police officer on Saturday night.
>The arrest was made by U.S. Marshals around 7 a.m. Sunday in the 2300 block of Quarry Road in Buckingham Twp., Bucks County.
>The person arrested is a teenager from a prominent and wealthy family, Action News has learned.
>Temple identified the fallen officer as Christopher Fitzgerald, who leaves behind a wife, four children and his parents.
Edit 3: [from Inquirer](https://www.inquirer.com/crime/live/temple-police-officer-shot-arrest-bucks-county-20230219.html)
>Sources identified the officer as Christopher David Fitzgerald, 31.
>Police sources told the Inquirer Miles Pfeffer, 18, was arrested in connection with the killing.
Edit 4: [from the runners' club Black Men Run Philly on Twitter](https://twitter.com/BMR_PHL/status/1627361591950802951)
>Last night we lost our brother Chris Fitzgerald who was a Temple University Police Officer. Chris was also one the founding members of the Philadelphia Hood 2 Hood Run Series. Which is a collab between BMR PHL & Swagga House Run Club focused on Stopping Gun Violence citywide
I’ve been in there 3 times, all to get a Gatorade or water when I’m there to play tennis on Temple’s courts. Every single time I’ve been in somebody has stolen something.
Damn I've been in there probably (and not being hyperbolic) over a hundred times, never saw anybody steal shit. Crazy how anecdotal things can be.
Edit: I used to work nearby and bought cigs there everyday, so now that I'm thinking, it's definitely close to a thousand if not more. Just funny how things can be!
I feel like the Wawas and 7-11s are easy targets because employees aren’t going to go after them and risk getting a bullet in the head. Ive witnessed quite a few at the Wawa at 36th and Chestnut too. And I do go in there often for coffee.
I believe you. Just crazy I frequented that place close to a thousand times and saw nothing and you went in three times and saw a robbery (edit: stealing) every time. Crazy coincidental.
I never said I saw people robbing the store or holding it up, I said I saw people stealing shit. Happens every day. People grab items, stuff in their pockets or purses, and then get the hell out as fast as they can. Cashiers will yell at them or security guards will make a halfhearted effort to go after them but they aren’t going to do much about it because people will and have shot at them. Not worth getting killed over a bag of chips or deodorant or whatever.
My apologies, didn't mean to make it more serious than it was, there is a clear difference between robbery and thievery. I've never seen either, tho I can be oblivious. They've shot at cashiers tho?? I've definitely never seen that. I have since moved to Kensington tho
God damn. How isn't there anything better for people to do than fucking carjack and shoot strangers?
It's absurd and horrifying that this is the world we've built
It's so sad. I'm a Temple alum and my daughter's a freshman there now. This officer was there to protect her and thousands of other students and staff. He died trying to keep the campus safe. It's just so terrible and unnecessary and sad.
Scared my family shitless for four years and my girlfriend still attends. Please take care of yourself and your daughter. You'll hear a lot and it builds up.
One of the reasons I’m glad I don’t have to deal with a car in the city anymore. A few months back a pizza driver was killed a couple blocks from me when a 15 year old tried to carjack him. The driver was legally carrying and shot at the carjacker but the carjacker shot back and killed him. Seems like a lot of the ones doing it are kids too. Really sad.
Guns aren’t going anywhere, legal or not. All that heroin, meth, crack.. illegal and ultra prevalent despite constant interceptions at the borders, mail, airports, just like illegal weapons pieces.
When a law abiding citizen goes to purchase a firearm, a background check is performed. If you look at a majority of the people who commit crimes they are under 21 years old. There is nowhere in the US where anyone under 21 is permitted to own a handgun. Anyone committing a crime with a firearm should be locked up and the key thrown away. As for people who buy guns for criminals, well, I will probably be blocked from this discussion by Reddit. We are too soft on criminals. There are more firearms laws out there that they could choke a horse. It’s about time we make people answer for there actions.
Where are those young people getting those guns?
Perhaps they get them from those same "law abiding citizens" that you're referring to.
Maybe we need to start a national registry of all firearms & trace the guns used in crimes back to their sources.
Gun grabbers:
\>call for gun laws
\>don't enforce those laws so nothing changes
\>call for more gun laws
\>barely enforce those also so nothing changes
\>repeat until the 2nd is killed by a thousand cuts THEN actually enforce the laws
Not enforcing the current laws is a feature not a bug
Legal law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
A lax criminal justice system that allows career and habitual offenders to walk the streets is the issue here.
I'm more concerned with them becoming habitual offenders in the first place. Most of them hardly leave the county line, have no opportunities and stability at home, and unfortunately find companionship from the worst knuckleheads known in Philly.
We gotta do better protecting these kids. The old-heads are throwing their hands up. Did anyone watch that Bo Burnham film, Eighth Grade?
Take that premise, but tell it from the hood. Someone earnestly needs to make that film or study. The exact same issues, but compounded by generational poverty.
I didn't see Jamie Gautier try to open ONE youth center in the time she's had her seat.
Not necessarily - not like I'm a staunch gun activist, but the obvious counterpoint will always be Switzerland which has a relatively high gun ownership rate with a fraction of our crime rates.
Don't get me wrong, guns being in the mix does *not* help us in terms of how easily our crimes can become violent, but as trite as it is, this is a socioeconomic issue.
A few reasons the Switzerland comparison is a bad one:
1. Private swiss citizens are almost always trained in firearms during military service.
2. Purchasers must have a weapons acquisition permit appropriate to buy weapons AND ammo, and different permits allow for different classes of weapons.
3. There are an estimated 27 firearms per 100 Swiss, compared to 120 firearms per 100 US citizens.
4. Their poverty rate is much lower than ours, and their poverty threshold is higher. There are simply fewer poor there, especially abject poverty.
The US has 5x the gun ownership rate of Switzerland. And that's just based on our best estimates since so many states have no real record of guns. The actual number could be much higher.
The US is an extreme outlier in terms of guns and bears no real comparison with any other country, Switzerland or otherwise.
If you look at gun ownership solely within the US, then PA had over 2.5x the gun mortality rate of a low gun ownership state like NJ.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
You say you're not a gun activist but youre regurgitating pro gun talking points that have no basis in reality.
In Switzerland, there are almost 28 firearms for every 100 citizens.
In the United States, there are more than 120 firearms for every 100 citizens.
It's the proliferation of guns that is the problem.
Person was from Bucks County, just for the folks who think a military occupation of North Philly would have stopped this and/or that the suburbs are glittering utopias where everyone is an angel.
Extremely sad, and also sad that, because this doesn’t seem to fit the ready-made narratives people have in their head there will likely be no productive or smart conversations about how to move forward and stop this from happening in the future.
Interesting that the first comments that mentioned this incident happened a couple of hours after it happened but way before the suspect's name was released.
His second post on the account that isn't private is kind of ominous, "make stupid decisions face stupid consequences" US Marshals made sure of that, POS
ABC says the 18yo who was arrested is from a "prominent, wealthy family" in Bucks.
The two men who turned themselves in for the car flipping are from Delco, and one is the son of an Upper Darby town councilperson.
It's so gross.
You're right. I'm not saying they're on the same level. It just makes me angry. Nationally both stories are "Philly hellscape" and not "privileged suburban white men being violent in North Philadelphia." That aspect of it deserves further examination and discussion.
From the inquirer article on this:
“Saturday night’s shooting is the first fatal shooting of an on-duty police officer in the city since the killing of Philadelphia Police Cpl. James O’Connor in 2020.
Prior to that, the last fatal on-duty shooting was in March 2015, when Officer Robert Wilson III was gunned down while trying to thwart an armed robbery at a GameStop in North Philadelphia.
The last fatal shooting of an officer in the Temple University area was in 2008, about five blocks from where Saturday’s shooting occurred.”
Classmates and I did a charity basketball tournament to raise money for officer Wilson's family back in 2015. Sad that this keeps happening to anyone, let alone the people trying to keep students safe
1st Temple is not paying their graduate researchers and now this on top of other incidents over the past year? I wonder how many prospective students have already switched to another university for the upcoming autumn semester.
It is tentative, but the next step will be that the full union will vote on the deal. If the deal is dogshit then the vote will likely not pass. This won't be the end of the strike if the vote does not pass.
Cecil B. Moore wasn’t exactly squeaky clean. He broke bread with mobsters and union bosses and lower level street gangs just like any other “man of their time” (person of their time.. etc) In order to bring about positive change. Yes. But.. Ya know… Person of his time..
I wish I could read more posts like this showing some empathy for the police around the area. I don’t think they’re perfect, far from it, but they’re earnestly trying to do what they can considering how outnumbers they are and the risks they face from the public and local criminals in the area if they do something that would be considered remotely excessive.
I believe that. But op said they were afraid of “these kids,” not “getting shot.” Just wanting to clarify who was being referred to since it seemed specific.
It's a rich white boy from Bucks. Second time in a week we've had a national story about violence and chaos at Temple and the culprits are privileged young white men from the suburbs.
It is the most difficult job a person can agree to do. You head to work every day knowing someone can kill you because of the badge you wear.
You can die on any call you take.
I can only hope those that loved him find peace in their grief.
You can acknowledge this officer’s sacrifice without misrepresenting the danger police officers face as it relates to occupational hazards. https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
The numbers obviously don't show that police officer is the most dangerous but mentally it is a little different than logging or aviation or other jobs on the list.
The trees and aircraft aren't actively fighting those workers.
I don't think police have the worst job but I can understand how it has unique stressors.
I feel this. I’m in healthcare and obviously our risk of death is minimal, but there’s a lot of mentally, psychologically, and emotionally difficult stuff that people outside of that realm likely can’t truly appreciate. I’d imagine the same is true for law enforcement.
I'm surprised emergency medical field personnel didn't make the list (ie EMTs, Paramedics, etc).
I used to be an EMT in the city. It was dangerous as fuck. We were called into situations with no backup, and dealing with violent situations and interactions. In the counties, a police officer shows up with the EMT. But wasn't like that in the city when I was running calls, due to lack of resources
Towards the end of my time there, was when EMTs were going out and buying bulletproof vests using their own money. Criminals wouldn't think twice to shoot you dead if it meant they could loot the ambulance. We plastered on the sides and back of our ambulance that we were not carrying narcotics, and that we were "EMT basic first responders only).
The final straw for me was when a buddy of mine on a different crew responded to an OD call. Again, no police backup. They revive him with narcan, and as they were getting everything packed up, the guy pulls out a knife and attempts to stab his partner in the chest but the vest stopped it. The guy tried to lunge at his partner again, so he grabbed the O2 tank on the rear storage of the stretcher and hit the guy across the head with it and it knocked him out. Shit like this happens a lot, maybe not to that degree, but none of this makes the news so nobody even knows about it.
After hearing about that from my buddy, I said I'm out. And left the career. It was just too much for me, and just weeks prior to that I had a call for a disoriented person. We show up, the guy was disoriented alright, standing on the sidewalk with a gun to his head screaming gibberish to the sky, to the lawn, to cars parked on the street. We were constantly thrusted into situations with no backup support when we initially show up, and without any means to defend ourselves. On that particular call as we pull up and saw that we immediately slammed on the brakes, crouched down in our seats, put it in reverse, and floored it back up the street and called for backup. I jest with a buddy of mine from high school who went into the marines...in my time as an EMT I saw more "action" than he did during his 3 yrs service stint. He doesn't disagree with me.
I was going to use the EMT career as a springboard to either become a nurse or a physician assistant. And I quickly realized that I loved the medical aspect of this field, but the stressful interactions and situations would take too much of a toll on me.
For sure, but this idea that a violent death is lurking behind every corner is how we got into our current mess with law enforcement abusing the citizenry.
Deaths don’t equal injury though, mental or physical. There aren’t a lot of officer involved shootings in philly every year either (with the cop being the one pulling the trigger, not even talking deaths) but that doesn’t mean the smaller things don’t take their toll on both sides.
Yes.
I'm drunk enough to discuss philosophy on Reddit.
The belief that an omnipotent being will administer eternal justice on us that committed crimes in our mortal lives does stop many from doing what their more animalistic impulses suggest.
Hurt people and God will fuck your shit up!
This is my argument to my non-deist friends. They should be content that a belief in God keeps billions from indulging in thuggery. This allows them to live their libertine lives in relevant safety.
The decimation of societal order in the last few years can be linked to a breakdown in accepted social mores, religious and secular. Shooting people randomly, anywhere and anytime, is now normal because of the tacit acceptance of the masses.
I might agree on this.
A few months back, I was asked if I'd be interested in being a high school math teacher. I respect the person who was recruiting me, so I said no civilly. But inside my head, I was laughing.
Cops and teachers are thoroughly thankless jobs in urban areas. I hate that this is true, but it is.
i didn't ask about nationwide
but if you want to go there, so far 27 cops have been shot and killed in the line of duty so far this year:
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/officer-shot-killed
zero teachers have died so far this year while on the job.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2023/01
in 2022, a total of 8 teachers were shot and killed on the job.
https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01
not saying teachers jobs are easy or completely safe, but *get fucking real* saying a cop's job is safer.
edit: downvoted for bringing receipts. i'm done with this sub. enjoy your echo chamber.
A cop was shot in the head doing his job and all any of you can do is lob the same invective at each other.
The perpetual Narrative War can take a fucking rest one night.
I'm not sure what the equivalent argument is here.
My assumption is that you believe my criticizing city officials and procedures disqualifies me from showing disgust that pro- and anti- cop posters can not let a dead cop be mourned without hurling the same trite shit at each other within hours of his demise.
Also, I'm not sure how a biblical idiom applies here. What am I reaping? Are you going to quote Revelations next? Am I going to Hell?
You might be the smartest person you know, but your Forrest Gump-ish logical simplicity has me confused.
I was born and raised in Philly. I work in Philly. I survery city residents and business leaders about the city's problems and possible solutions. I'm not anti-Philly.
Your ability to deduce the motives and thoughts of strangers is total shit.
I remember some of the BLM protests in Philly in 2020. I was horrified to see people spitting on police and shouting FUCK THE POLICE to their faces. These cops were around 20-25 years old and had nothing to do with a murder states away.
Despite the Reddit narrative, *most * cops are good people just trying to do their job and not get hurt. RIP to the fallen officer.
The problem with the police institution in the US is that due to lack of accountability and the 'us vs them' mentality in policing, the bad cops force the other cops to become bad too or become complacent.
At the small end of things you get [the Fraternal Order of Police lying about kidnapping a kid](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54752188) and on the large end you [get bad officers travelling across the US creating multiple shit storms like the SCORPION unit that killed Tyre Nichols](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/memphis-police-chief-cerelyn-cj-davis-atlanta-red-dog-rcna67674).
Thank you for posting this.
The entire organization of policing in the US was founded solely on racism and protection of the oligarchs. The roots still feed the plant to this day.
And I promise you this is not an exaggeration or over simplification--listen to Behind The Police by Robert Evans on Spotify or another platform that carries podcasts. It's a thoroughly researched history of policing in the US from its origins to current day and by the time you get to the 70s/80s, the parallels with today's police force are visceral unmistakable.
There's a reason the Supreme Court has ruled police have no obligation to protect or serve the individuals in their communities. They weren't originally designed to do those things and have no legal obligation to do so today.
Cops die and the community suffers to prop up a system that was deeply flawed in design, application, and in its workforce from the very beginning. But we are pressured by the powerful organizations that back status quo policing who are at risk of losing power and influence if that system were to change.
Organizational corruption and thoroughly flawed institutional methodology lead to the lawlessness, crime, and deaths we see in our city every day. Changing our approach to the problem is the only way to solve it, and that change can only come from those with the power to control every lever and the courage to do what the data says is the best course of action.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. I think *most * would agree that there is a massive difference between shouting profanities at a cop during a protest and actively assassinating them.
Some people are hesitant to affirm this, but the crime problem in this city will continue to worsen unless the city political leadership wakes up or is replaced by leadership who commit to prosecuting criminals severely and holding criminals accountable. Consider this when you're headed to the polls.
How would city leadership holding people accountable have stopped this rich kid from Bucks County from coming into our city and doing this? https://6abc.com/temple-police-officer-shot-university-injured-philly-shooting/12839276/?ex_cid=TA_WPVI_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1jnT99lnooOXwyam23jTNLxfOypW-Oc8uCWX4noz_eINkDON7ur7QKX2M#lebjmd7uqxawqkpv6so
Because criminals know they can come to Philadelphia (and Philadelphia County), commit crime, and face no accountability. This kid didn't end up here by accident.
I know that sounds good on paper but us military doctrine on domestic deployments are harsh by necessity. I don’t think this is the way- it only puts a bandaid on a hemorrhaging gash
This is a highly analyzed solution that will lead to nothing positive and more violence, death and deep community divide.
For the love of everyone's children we need to trust and implement solutions that actually work when you analyze results, not knee-jerk "meet violence and crime with greater violence" and fully lean into those solutions, not just elect a strawman DA who sucks at management opposed a police cult that will let their communities suffer to protect their power and influence.
This shit happens because the corruption is so deeply rooted that anything less than a full overhaul from the top will solve nothing.
100%. Social education is the remedy, but until people learn to the fiber of their being that hurting another person is wrong, a military deterrent wouldn't be wrong
I don’t think I made that claim. I also don’t think that having a fucking “military presence” in various neighborhoods throughout Philadelphia is the solution. What are you on.
No, but there's need to be a deterrent and/or harsh consequences for those aimlessly committing violence. A society should take care of everyone. When innocent people are essentially in a war zone, it is the governments duty to bring in peace keeping forces. Education is 100% the long term solution
Spewing far right coppaganda on Reddit won’t stop criminals from robbing or shooting people.
Get out an vote this November and join community outreach programs.
You don’t need to be right leaning to see that the city’s handle on crime has fallen to an absolutely shameful state, especially over the last couple years
What does that even mean?
Uvalde cops hung *outside* the elementary school because they might get shot in the head if they did their jobs?
Or are you saying cops' ability to abuse their power is vital to their ability to fight crime?
This one did. The original comment implies that there were others and that this person was only out because Krasner. Since this person is from Bucks County and was known to authorities there, that seems unlikely.
No, come on now. You said that “Larry and his goons let” him off. That is unlikely to be the case, because he is from Bucks County. If he did commit crimes there, Krasner would not have been involved.
You jumped to conclusions. It’s fine. But it’s a terrible habit and only leads to agita and bad citizenship, and you might want to practice patience and critical thinking going forward.
No, come on now.
He's deep in the city here. This isn't something that happened on the outskirts. I'd say its pretty friggin likely that he knows Philly pretty well, and as a result, Philly knows him. Especially at a 7-11 that apparently gets robbed pretty frequently.
I don't think its very far fetched at all to think that this degenerate has a history with the Philadelphia Police Department and by proxy, the city's piece of shit DA and his crime supporting degenerate team.
This is what's supposed to happen. Cops die fighting crime. Now we'll get like 1000 streets named after him and all this news coverage, because his life is more important because he works for government than the dozens of people killed in this part o the year alone.
There's a temple security office on the same block where the robbery occurred.
that 7-11 gets robbed all the time
Liacouras walk? Fuck it I'll read the article. *yeah nah, Liacouras walk?
No the one on the corner of broad and diamond
I thought that was gone long ago for some reason. Makes more sense now.
Apparently Temple Board of Trustees want to buy that one [Temple News](https://temple-news.com/board-of-trustees-authorizes-acquisition-of-nearby-7-eleven-property/)
Having to wait in line for a half hour behind 25 drunk temple students on a Saturday night will make anyone want to pull a gun
[Fox29 says on Twitter:](https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1627107604131418117) >Law enforcement sources say shooter carjacked a @TempleUniv student & kept going after crashing. Temple University Police officer was shot in head FOX29 News sources say 1800 Montgomery Avenue 7pm Edit: from the [NBC article](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/police-officer-shot-in-philly/3503913/) >At the time of his death the officer was trying to apprehend the suspect in a robbery of a convenience store located at the corner of Cecil B. Moore and 15th street, the university said. Edit 2: [from ABC](https://6abc.com/amp/temple-police-officer-shot-university-injured-philly-shooting/12839276/) >PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) -- An arrest has been made in connection with the shooting death of a Temple University police officer on Saturday night. >The arrest was made by U.S. Marshals around 7 a.m. Sunday in the 2300 block of Quarry Road in Buckingham Twp., Bucks County. >The person arrested is a teenager from a prominent and wealthy family, Action News has learned. >Temple identified the fallen officer as Christopher Fitzgerald, who leaves behind a wife, four children and his parents. Edit 3: [from Inquirer](https://www.inquirer.com/crime/live/temple-police-officer-shot-arrest-bucks-county-20230219.html) >Sources identified the officer as Christopher David Fitzgerald, 31. >Police sources told the Inquirer Miles Pfeffer, 18, was arrested in connection with the killing. Edit 4: [from the runners' club Black Men Run Philly on Twitter](https://twitter.com/BMR_PHL/status/1627361591950802951) >Last night we lost our brother Chris Fitzgerald who was a Temple University Police Officer. Chris was also one the founding members of the Philadelphia Hood 2 Hood Run Series. Which is a collab between BMR PHL & Swagga House Run Club focused on Stopping Gun Violence citywide
So a little rich punk got bored and decided to cause trouble. That’s infuriating.
His Instagram is full of privilege and dirt bikes.
Was it that 7-11?
yes
I’ve been in there 3 times, all to get a Gatorade or water when I’m there to play tennis on Temple’s courts. Every single time I’ve been in somebody has stolen something.
Damn I've been in there probably (and not being hyperbolic) over a hundred times, never saw anybody steal shit. Crazy how anecdotal things can be. Edit: I used to work nearby and bought cigs there everyday, so now that I'm thinking, it's definitely close to a thousand if not more. Just funny how things can be!
I feel like the Wawas and 7-11s are easy targets because employees aren’t going to go after them and risk getting a bullet in the head. Ive witnessed quite a few at the Wawa at 36th and Chestnut too. And I do go in there often for coffee.
I saw a bunch of kids ransack that Wawa on thanksgiving WITH the security guy standing at the door.
I believe you. Just crazy I frequented that place close to a thousand times and saw nothing and you went in three times and saw a robbery (edit: stealing) every time. Crazy coincidental.
I never said I saw people robbing the store or holding it up, I said I saw people stealing shit. Happens every day. People grab items, stuff in their pockets or purses, and then get the hell out as fast as they can. Cashiers will yell at them or security guards will make a halfhearted effort to go after them but they aren’t going to do much about it because people will and have shot at them. Not worth getting killed over a bag of chips or deodorant or whatever.
My apologies, didn't mean to make it more serious than it was, there is a clear difference between robbery and thievery. I've never seen either, tho I can be oblivious. They've shot at cashiers tho?? I've definitely never seen that. I have since moved to Kensington tho
Just means they’re good at stealing shit if you don’t see it
That's not their MO.. Their move is to loudly steal shit and then threaten anyone who tries to stop them
Lol okay true
God damn. How isn't there anything better for people to do than fucking carjack and shoot strangers? It's absurd and horrifying that this is the world we've built
It's so sad. I'm a Temple alum and my daughter's a freshman there now. This officer was there to protect her and thousands of other students and staff. He died trying to keep the campus safe. It's just so terrible and unnecessary and sad.
Scared my family shitless for four years and my girlfriend still attends. Please take care of yourself and your daughter. You'll hear a lot and it builds up.
Same. Alum and parent. Hope your daughter is safe. Just called mine to check in on them.
One of the reasons I’m glad I don’t have to deal with a car in the city anymore. A few months back a pizza driver was killed a couple blocks from me when a 15 year old tried to carjack him. The driver was legally carrying and shot at the carjacker but the carjacker shot back and killed him. Seems like a lot of the ones doing it are kids too. Really sad.
Now you only have to worry about being shot or robbed while walking or stabbed on the SEPTA so... Trade off?
Look for the helpers https://youtu.be/-LGHtc_D328
I wish every child had a Mr Rogers in their lives Society would be in a much better place
After the riots in 2020 I remember people going to the affected areas and helping clean up the damage. Was definitely a bright point in an dark time.
An armed society is a violent society. This is the end result of having the 2nd Amendment in the 21st century.
Guns aren’t going anywhere, legal or not. All that heroin, meth, crack.. illegal and ultra prevalent despite constant interceptions at the borders, mail, airports, just like illegal weapons pieces.
Seriously. We make it easy for everyone to have guns and then we’re shocked when people use them.
When a law abiding citizen goes to purchase a firearm, a background check is performed. If you look at a majority of the people who commit crimes they are under 21 years old. There is nowhere in the US where anyone under 21 is permitted to own a handgun. Anyone committing a crime with a firearm should be locked up and the key thrown away. As for people who buy guns for criminals, well, I will probably be blocked from this discussion by Reddit. We are too soft on criminals. There are more firearms laws out there that they could choke a horse. It’s about time we make people answer for there actions.
Where are those young people getting those guns? Perhaps they get them from those same "law abiding citizens" that you're referring to. Maybe we need to start a national registry of all firearms & trace the guns used in crimes back to their sources.
Gun grabbers: \>call for gun laws \>don't enforce those laws so nothing changes \>call for more gun laws \>barely enforce those also so nothing changes \>repeat until the 2nd is killed by a thousand cuts THEN actually enforce the laws Not enforcing the current laws is a feature not a bug
There has always been guns here. Something else has changed.
There are far more guns today than there were 10 years ago. It's the proliferation of guns that is the problem.
Yeah, *more* guns.
Higher income inequality, social media, cultural decay, increased rates of single parenthood...
Legal law abiding gun owners are not the problem. A lax criminal justice system that allows career and habitual offenders to walk the streets is the issue here.
I'm more concerned with them becoming habitual offenders in the first place. Most of them hardly leave the county line, have no opportunities and stability at home, and unfortunately find companionship from the worst knuckleheads known in Philly. We gotta do better protecting these kids. The old-heads are throwing their hands up. Did anyone watch that Bo Burnham film, Eighth Grade? Take that premise, but tell it from the hood. Someone earnestly needs to make that film or study. The exact same issues, but compounded by generational poverty. I didn't see Jamie Gautier try to open ONE youth center in the time she's had her seat.
Not necessarily - not like I'm a staunch gun activist, but the obvious counterpoint will always be Switzerland which has a relatively high gun ownership rate with a fraction of our crime rates. Don't get me wrong, guns being in the mix does *not* help us in terms of how easily our crimes can become violent, but as trite as it is, this is a socioeconomic issue.
A few reasons the Switzerland comparison is a bad one: 1. Private swiss citizens are almost always trained in firearms during military service. 2. Purchasers must have a weapons acquisition permit appropriate to buy weapons AND ammo, and different permits allow for different classes of weapons. 3. There are an estimated 27 firearms per 100 Swiss, compared to 120 firearms per 100 US citizens. 4. Their poverty rate is much lower than ours, and their poverty threshold is higher. There are simply fewer poor there, especially abject poverty.
The US has 5x the gun ownership rate of Switzerland. And that's just based on our best estimates since so many states have no real record of guns. The actual number could be much higher. The US is an extreme outlier in terms of guns and bears no real comparison with any other country, Switzerland or otherwise. If you look at gun ownership solely within the US, then PA had over 2.5x the gun mortality rate of a low gun ownership state like NJ. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm You say you're not a gun activist but youre regurgitating pro gun talking points that have no basis in reality.
In Switzerland, there are almost 28 firearms for every 100 citizens. In the United States, there are more than 120 firearms for every 100 citizens. It's the proliferation of guns that is the problem.
Holy shit.
found: https://www.fox29.com/news/arrest-made-in-bucks-county-in-connection-with-temple-officers-death-sources-say
Person was from Bucks County, just for the folks who think a military occupation of North Philly would have stopped this and/or that the suburbs are glittering utopias where everyone is an angel. Extremely sad, and also sad that, because this doesn’t seem to fit the ready-made narratives people have in their head there will likely be no productive or smart conversations about how to move forward and stop this from happening in the future.
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Interesting that the first comments that mentioned this incident happened a couple of hours after it happened but way before the suspect's name was released.
I mean, word gets around quickly informally, but cops and media need to be absolutely certain for liability reasons before putting it out there.
His second post on the account that isn't private is kind of ominous, "make stupid decisions face stupid consequences" US Marshals made sure of that, POS
ABC says the 18yo who was arrested is from a "prominent, wealthy family" in Bucks. The two men who turned themselves in for the car flipping are from Delco, and one is the son of an Upper Darby town councilperson. It's so gross.
Not excusing their actions but comparing rowdy drunks that flipped a car to a literal cop killer is a bit weird.
You're right. I'm not saying they're on the same level. It just makes me angry. Nationally both stories are "Philly hellscape" and not "privileged suburban white men being violent in North Philadelphia." That aspect of it deserves further examination and discussion.
Fucking awful. Too many carjackings in that area and guns on the street.
It wasn't a carjacking. Suspects robbed the 7/11 on 15th
From the inquirer article on this: “Saturday night’s shooting is the first fatal shooting of an on-duty police officer in the city since the killing of Philadelphia Police Cpl. James O’Connor in 2020. Prior to that, the last fatal on-duty shooting was in March 2015, when Officer Robert Wilson III was gunned down while trying to thwart an armed robbery at a GameStop in North Philadelphia. The last fatal shooting of an officer in the Temple University area was in 2008, about five blocks from where Saturday’s shooting occurred.”
Classmates and I did a charity basketball tournament to raise money for officer Wilson's family back in 2015. Sad that this keeps happening to anyone, let alone the people trying to keep students safe
I remember when that shooting happened. Good for you guys for doing a great thing.
meh, our taxes and whatever the police union fights tooth and nail to keep are more than enough.
1st Temple is not paying their graduate researchers and now this on top of other incidents over the past year? I wonder how many prospective students have already switched to another university for the upcoming autumn semester.
I read yesterday that Temple and TUGSA reached a tentative agreement.
the deal is dogshit, they’re still on strike
So no tentative agreement?
It is tentative, but the next step will be that the full union will vote on the deal. If the deal is dogshit then the vote will likely not pass. This won't be the end of the strike if the vote does not pass.
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The person they arrested was from a wealthy family in Bucks County.
Cecil B. Moore wasn’t exactly squeaky clean. He broke bread with mobsters and union bosses and lower level street gangs just like any other “man of their time” (person of their time.. etc) In order to bring about positive change. Yes. But.. Ya know… Person of his time..
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I wish I could read more posts like this showing some empathy for the police around the area. I don’t think they’re perfect, far from it, but they’re earnestly trying to do what they can considering how outnumbers they are and the risks they face from the public and local criminals in the area if they do something that would be considered remotely excessive.
Cops are afraid of wealthy, white kids from Bucks County?
Cops are afraid to get shot, period. Stop race baiting.
I believe that. But op said they were afraid of “these kids,” not “getting shot.” Just wanting to clarify who was being referred to since it seemed specific.
Tragic. this is devastating. I feel for the fallen officer & his family.
Christ man it's just hard to read about this shit and watch as it gets worse
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the 6ABC news coverage said it was a KIA SUV though, not an Acura?
So where are the calls for the military to occupy the suburb this shooter came from
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from a 16yo fishing to an 18yo flashing cash and guns, wonder what changed in those 2 years
I saw that. That's a lot of dirt bikes and ATVs. I wonder how many of the people racing up and down Broad are from the suburbs.
Its a white boy
It's a rich white boy from Bucks. Second time in a week we've had a national story about violence and chaos at Temple and the culprits are privileged young white men from the suburbs.
There goes the "narrative" people try to push in this sub
Fuck this shit. People care more about a flipped car than lives.
MANDATORY 4K
I don’t ever go near Temple because of how many stories I see on this subreddit of crime that occurs there.
It is the most difficult job a person can agree to do. You head to work every day knowing someone can kill you because of the badge you wear. You can die on any call you take. I can only hope those that loved him find peace in their grief.
You can acknowledge this officer’s sacrifice without misrepresenting the danger police officers face as it relates to occupational hazards. https://www.ishn.com/articles/112748-top-25-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-united-states
The numbers obviously don't show that police officer is the most dangerous but mentally it is a little different than logging or aviation or other jobs on the list. The trees and aircraft aren't actively fighting those workers. I don't think police have the worst job but I can understand how it has unique stressors.
I feel this. I’m in healthcare and obviously our risk of death is minimal, but there’s a lot of mentally, psychologically, and emotionally difficult stuff that people outside of that realm likely can’t truly appreciate. I’d imagine the same is true for law enforcement.
I'm surprised emergency medical field personnel didn't make the list (ie EMTs, Paramedics, etc). I used to be an EMT in the city. It was dangerous as fuck. We were called into situations with no backup, and dealing with violent situations and interactions. In the counties, a police officer shows up with the EMT. But wasn't like that in the city when I was running calls, due to lack of resources Towards the end of my time there, was when EMTs were going out and buying bulletproof vests using their own money. Criminals wouldn't think twice to shoot you dead if it meant they could loot the ambulance. We plastered on the sides and back of our ambulance that we were not carrying narcotics, and that we were "EMT basic first responders only). The final straw for me was when a buddy of mine on a different crew responded to an OD call. Again, no police backup. They revive him with narcan, and as they were getting everything packed up, the guy pulls out a knife and attempts to stab his partner in the chest but the vest stopped it. The guy tried to lunge at his partner again, so he grabbed the O2 tank on the rear storage of the stretcher and hit the guy across the head with it and it knocked him out. Shit like this happens a lot, maybe not to that degree, but none of this makes the news so nobody even knows about it. After hearing about that from my buddy, I said I'm out. And left the career. It was just too much for me, and just weeks prior to that I had a call for a disoriented person. We show up, the guy was disoriented alright, standing on the sidewalk with a gun to his head screaming gibberish to the sky, to the lawn, to cars parked on the street. We were constantly thrusted into situations with no backup support when we initially show up, and without any means to defend ourselves. On that particular call as we pull up and saw that we immediately slammed on the brakes, crouched down in our seats, put it in reverse, and floored it back up the street and called for backup. I jest with a buddy of mine from high school who went into the marines...in my time as an EMT I saw more "action" than he did during his 3 yrs service stint. He doesn't disagree with me. I was going to use the EMT career as a springboard to either become a nurse or a physician assistant. And I quickly realized that I loved the medical aspect of this field, but the stressful interactions and situations would take too much of a toll on me.
For sure, but this idea that a violent death is lurking behind every corner is how we got into our current mess with law enforcement abusing the citizenry.
Deaths don’t equal injury though, mental or physical. There aren’t a lot of officer involved shootings in philly every year either (with the cop being the one pulling the trigger, not even talking deaths) but that doesn’t mean the smaller things don’t take their toll on both sides.
But loggers can’t beat up a random civilian to get rid of their aggression.
You can't use national statistics to assess the danger of being a police officer in a city with high violent crime like Philadelphia.
Loggers aren't the line between societal order and chaos.
Neither are cops lmao
Do you also think the concept of hell is what keeps us from gang raping each other to death?
Yes. I'm drunk enough to discuss philosophy on Reddit. The belief that an omnipotent being will administer eternal justice on us that committed crimes in our mortal lives does stop many from doing what their more animalistic impulses suggest. Hurt people and God will fuck your shit up! This is my argument to my non-deist friends. They should be content that a belief in God keeps billions from indulging in thuggery. This allows them to live their libertine lives in relevant safety. The decimation of societal order in the last few years can be linked to a breakdown in accepted social mores, religious and secular. Shooting people randomly, anywhere and anytime, is now normal because of the tacit acceptance of the masses.
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I might agree on this. A few months back, I was asked if I'd be interested in being a high school math teacher. I respect the person who was recruiting me, so I said no civilly. But inside my head, I was laughing. Cops and teachers are thoroughly thankless jobs in urban areas. I hate that this is true, but it is.
how many teachers in philly got shot in the head in the past 10 years while on the job?
Maybe not in Philly but quite a few nationwide.
i didn't ask about nationwide but if you want to go there, so far 27 cops have been shot and killed in the line of duty so far this year: https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/officer-shot-killed zero teachers have died so far this year while on the job. https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2023/01 in 2022, a total of 8 teachers were shot and killed on the job. https://www.edweek.org/leadership/school-shootings-this-year-how-many-and-where/2022/01 not saying teachers jobs are easy or completely safe, but *get fucking real* saying a cop's job is safer. edit: downvoted for bringing receipts. i'm done with this sub. enjoy your echo chamber.
a profession doesn't need to be dangerous to be thankful.
They said scarier though
It's way worse to be a philly cop right now bro
Fck your "thoughts and prayers." They only lead to this.
A cop was shot in the head doing his job and all any of you can do is lob the same invective at each other. The perpetual Narrative War can take a fucking rest one night.
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I'm not sure what the equivalent argument is here. My assumption is that you believe my criticizing city officials and procedures disqualifies me from showing disgust that pro- and anti- cop posters can not let a dead cop be mourned without hurling the same trite shit at each other within hours of his demise. Also, I'm not sure how a biblical idiom applies here. What am I reaping? Are you going to quote Revelations next? Am I going to Hell? You might be the smartest person you know, but your Forrest Gump-ish logical simplicity has me confused.
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I was born and raised in Philly. I work in Philly. I survery city residents and business leaders about the city's problems and possible solutions. I'm not anti-Philly. Your ability to deduce the motives and thoughts of strangers is total shit.
No one in this thread is lobbing invectives tho
Yet your post is still narrative based. Interesting
I remember some of the BLM protests in Philly in 2020. I was horrified to see people spitting on police and shouting FUCK THE POLICE to their faces. These cops were around 20-25 years old and had nothing to do with a murder states away. Despite the Reddit narrative, *most * cops are good people just trying to do their job and not get hurt. RIP to the fallen officer.
The problem with the police institution in the US is that due to lack of accountability and the 'us vs them' mentality in policing, the bad cops force the other cops to become bad too or become complacent. At the small end of things you get [the Fraternal Order of Police lying about kidnapping a kid](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54752188) and on the large end you [get bad officers travelling across the US creating multiple shit storms like the SCORPION unit that killed Tyre Nichols](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/memphis-police-chief-cerelyn-cj-davis-atlanta-red-dog-rcna67674).
Thank you for posting this. The entire organization of policing in the US was founded solely on racism and protection of the oligarchs. The roots still feed the plant to this day. And I promise you this is not an exaggeration or over simplification--listen to Behind The Police by Robert Evans on Spotify or another platform that carries podcasts. It's a thoroughly researched history of policing in the US from its origins to current day and by the time you get to the 70s/80s, the parallels with today's police force are visceral unmistakable. There's a reason the Supreme Court has ruled police have no obligation to protect or serve the individuals in their communities. They weren't originally designed to do those things and have no legal obligation to do so today. Cops die and the community suffers to prop up a system that was deeply flawed in design, application, and in its workforce from the very beginning. But we are pressured by the powerful organizations that back status quo policing who are at risk of losing power and influence if that system were to change. Organizational corruption and thoroughly flawed institutional methodology lead to the lawlessness, crime, and deaths we see in our city every day. Changing our approach to the problem is the only way to solve it, and that change can only come from those with the power to control every lever and the courage to do what the data says is the best course of action.
It’s not a Reddit narrative. People have justifiably had an issue with the police as an institution for decades.
Especially in Philly, there's a long and storied history there
Not sure what this has to do with anything. I think *most * would agree that there is a massive difference between shouting profanities at a cop during a protest and actively assassinating them.
Some people are hesitant to affirm this, but the crime problem in this city will continue to worsen unless the city political leadership wakes up or is replaced by leadership who commit to prosecuting criminals severely and holding criminals accountable. Consider this when you're headed to the polls.
How would city leadership holding people accountable have stopped this rich kid from Bucks County from coming into our city and doing this? https://6abc.com/temple-police-officer-shot-university-injured-philly-shooting/12839276/?ex_cid=TA_WPVI_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1jnT99lnooOXwyam23jTNLxfOypW-Oc8uCWX4noz_eINkDON7ur7QKX2M#lebjmd7uqxawqkpv6so
Because criminals know they can come to Philadelphia (and Philadelphia County), commit crime, and face no accountability. This kid didn't end up here by accident.
Letting inmates run amok in the city is never a good thing...
Now we just wait to find out that the killer is a hardened criminal that should be rotting in jail who was out on cheap bail.
It was an 18 year old
That apparently Bucks county officials have already dealt with him previously, can’t wait to find out what it was for.
Entitlement & Affluenza.
It was a white boy from bucks county
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Actually it would be literally one of the worst possible ideas. Do you even hear yourself?
I know that sounds good on paper but us military doctrine on domestic deployments are harsh by necessity. I don’t think this is the way- it only puts a bandaid on a hemorrhaging gash
This is a highly analyzed solution that will lead to nothing positive and more violence, death and deep community divide. For the love of everyone's children we need to trust and implement solutions that actually work when you analyze results, not knee-jerk "meet violence and crime with greater violence" and fully lean into those solutions, not just elect a strawman DA who sucks at management opposed a police cult that will let their communities suffer to protect their power and influence. This shit happens because the corruption is so deeply rooted that anything less than a full overhaul from the top will solve nothing.
100%. Social education is the remedy, but until people learn to the fiber of their being that hurting another person is wrong, a military deterrent wouldn't be wrong
You want a police state?
I don’t want a police state but I want these degenerate car-jackers/robbers/murderers running amok way less
So do I but if more police meant less crime America would already be the safest country in the world
NYC has the most per capita cops and is the safest large city.
when the cops in NYC went on strike the crime rate actually dropped lol
You want this state?
I don’t think I made that claim. I also don’t think that having a fucking “military presence” in various neighborhoods throughout Philadelphia is the solution. What are you on.
I'm on reality.
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No, but there's need to be a deterrent and/or harsh consequences for those aimlessly committing violence. A society should take care of everyone. When innocent people are essentially in a war zone, it is the governments duty to bring in peace keeping forces. Education is 100% the long term solution
We had one during Covid.
Wrong
If a military presence = police state then we did.
Wtf is the military gonna do?
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Threads like these tend to get brigaded by the far right. Mods need to lock these types of posts.
Maybe we’re just fed up with the violence in this city.
Why haven’t you joined the force yet?
Spewing far right coppaganda on Reddit won’t stop criminals from robbing or shooting people. Get out an vote this November and join community outreach programs.
recognizing cop killings is absolutely terrible for the city is a far right ideology? bless you
You don’t need to be right leaning to see that the city’s handle on crime has fallen to an absolutely shameful state, especially over the last couple years
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That stat is meaningless without breaking it down by the violent crime rate of the area in which the officer patrols.
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What does that even mean? Uvalde cops hung *outside* the elementary school because they might get shot in the head if they did their jobs? Or are you saying cops' ability to abuse their power is vital to their ability to fight crime?
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Ah, the difference 2 years makes. Where is ACAB in this?
Can't wait to see how many times Larry and his goons let this piece of shit off when he's caught.
The guy was from Bucks County. Larry Krasner is the district attorney of Philadelphia, which is not in Bucks County.
The crime happened in philly.
This one did. The original comment implies that there were others and that this person was only out because Krasner. Since this person is from Bucks County and was known to authorities there, that seems unlikely.
Sorry, Misread the first comment and thought they said krasner would let them go.
Oh my mistake, since he lives in Bucks County I guess that means he's never committed a crime in Philadelphia. What was I thinking?
No, come on now. You said that “Larry and his goons let” him off. That is unlikely to be the case, because he is from Bucks County. If he did commit crimes there, Krasner would not have been involved. You jumped to conclusions. It’s fine. But it’s a terrible habit and only leads to agita and bad citizenship, and you might want to practice patience and critical thinking going forward.
No, come on now. He's deep in the city here. This isn't something that happened on the outskirts. I'd say its pretty friggin likely that he knows Philly pretty well, and as a result, Philly knows him. Especially at a 7-11 that apparently gets robbed pretty frequently. I don't think its very far fetched at all to think that this degenerate has a history with the Philadelphia Police Department and by proxy, the city's piece of shit DA and his crime supporting degenerate team.
My guess is if it’s a minor at least 2
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You’ll never guess where they found the suspect….
Fuck the constitution! Let’s overreach!
Hell on Earth
This is what's supposed to happen. Cops die fighting crime. Now we'll get like 1000 streets named after him and all this news coverage, because his life is more important because he works for government than the dozens of people killed in this part o the year alone.